Why do normalfags act like dark souls is so difficult?
>>339493987
dark souls isn't difficult you just have to adapt to a new playstyle
my friends are normie and say they don't like souls games cause the control scheme sucks but i don't get how they think it sucks they just say it does and then they pout
Because they're dumb retards.
>>339494174
>Having friends
>normie
you too.
>>339493987
snowball effect I guess. The Souls series picked up this reputation as "the hardest games ever" since Dark Souls, internet spread it around and now it's just accepted as the truth for them. Somebody says Dark Souls an instant thought is "that series that's super hard". Any attempts to discredit the game as not that difficult are laughed out.
In reality it's just a lot of trial and error and if you have the ability to just fucking adapt to new problems you don't struggle at all. A new problem will be thrown at you, you'll more than likely die, you give it another go with the knowledge of said problem and work out a way to counter it.
>>339494401
>Literally just roll around and spam r1
>Bosses weakness is always either on back or under stomach
>>339494547
The biggest mistake you can make in Souls is getting greedy with your attacks so "spam r1" isn't true at all.
Post games more punishing than any souls game
>Akumu
>>339494657
It is though. Souls fags are so in denial about how brain-dead their favorite series is
>circle enemies
>impossible to hit you whiel you rekt them
>difficult game
>There will never be a game as hard and unforgiving as Dark Souls.
>>339494547
>Spam
Thats bullshit and you know it. Spamming roll in DS1 worked to some degree but its useless on DS3 since most bosses punish it with their delayed attacks. Nice try though.
>>339494773
I literally just made a post on how Souls isn't as hard as people think. Stop being a retard.
>>339494815
this is easy bait and soulsfags are so delusional they will reply
>>339493987
Dark souls is extremely difficult compared to other games. Just because you've trained and adapted over 4 games and countless hours that doesn't make it any less true.
>>339493987
>go into a gamestore, there to pick up some shit
>friends with a few of the guys working there
>while I wait for them to wrap up my order, we talk a bit about dark souls
>suddenly some sperg joins and tells us he felt so proud of himself for finishing the tutorial against the Asylum demon, claiming he spent hours on it
>tells us he's never gotten to the first boss, taurus demon, and became pissy after I said the name of it, since he "didn't want to be spoiled"
>I pay for my order and get the fuck out of there
trust me, >>339494302
is way closer than you think.
It's because most AAA titles have babied the players for years and years
>>339494818
OP is right. Soulsfags are incapable of admitting their game is stupidly easy.
>Muh delayed BOSS attacks
So what about 97% of the game, the regular levels?
Also, it sure is hard to start spam rolling 2-3 seconds later than usual.
>>339495009
Dark souls 3 was my first souls game. Beat it solo in 5 days solo, what a boring ass game. Have 0 interest in any other souls game. Its tedious and has 0 payoff
>>339495181
>Inb4 start pointing out typo for lack of actual counter points
>>339495031
DS is hard compared to other games on default difficulty. Thats a fact. I do find DMC3SE on DMD and Ninja Gaiden Black harder than any souls game tho.
>>339495181
>0 payoff
what do people mean when they say this? what payoff can a video game have other than the entertainment you had whilst paying it
>>339495181
DS3 is the easiest in the series you casual.
>Its tedious
The only thing tedious about DS would be if it were too difficult and frustrating.
because it is. Not all people spend all their time in their moms basement playing games non stop.
>hurr durr dark souls is ez game
>git gud casuals
No one on here claims Souls games are the hardest games ever. But you tryhard faggots are hilarious.
>>339495397
Being tedious is a valid complain about DS2 though. There are some areas in that game that are a pain to play through.
If you put DS next to a lot of current games it is pretty hard. People are too used to handholding in game now imo.
because le prepare to die hardest game ever witcher 3 is shit compared to spooky skeletons video gamey bosses
>>339495397
>It was too hard for you xD
Why are dark souls fans incapable of admitting their treasured series is not hard, but boring? Did they fall for the snowflake marketing?
No, it was tedious. I got every single collectible in the game w/o a guide (minus the rings) and honestly it's very rare that after doing that I just end up feeling whatever about it. The world wasnt interesting or fun to explore.
And also, yeah. Its tedious to kill the same enemy type dozens of times only for a few more to pop up. Tedious, boring. No challenge. r e p e t e t i v e
>>339495578
Exactly, Dark Souls is comparatively hard
People apparently think this means that people on this board think it's the hardest game ever or something and have to scream about the fan base being delusional
There are plenty of games harder than dark souls, but giving a shit about the difficulty is what made the series normiebait in the first place
Because it's pretty hard. The fact that you frequently die to most bosses alone means that tis challenging.
Of course try hards will tell you that Souls game are "some of the easiest games they've played" while they list some obscure gem that is "so much harder" meanwhile they have 20 broken controllers to that one boss that kept kicking their ass on their first playthrough of the game.
>>339495987
>I got every single collectible in the game w/o a guide
No you didn't.
>>339496324
I don't understand, souls fans always seem to tell themselves that something they broke 20 controllers over happened to everyone else as well.
I'm convinced the entire fanbase consists of anger issue casual manchildren at this point.
>>339496475
See >>339496506.
How does it feel a newbie is better at your treasured series than you? KEK
Might get all the ng+ rings just to get the platinum and make soulsfags cry in jealousy.
>>339493987
It's the first game casuals have played that required them to learn from their mistakes. For some reason, most people take that as a grave insult.
>shitters will never suffer in Dustforce or while grinding a trackmania track
>>339496603
>man this game sure is shitty
>that's why I got all the items without a guide haha!
>now I'm going to get all the extra rings! o-only to make you jealous!
>I'm not having fun I swear!
ok
>slow gritty ARPG
Why do people like them in the first place? When I go to my LGS for Magic it seems like everyone is talking about it and I'm just sitting there. I have heard "Dark Souls has consumed my life" so many fucking times.
>>339496945
I get all collectibles on every game i play. I honestly wasn't going to do ng+ rings but if it makes soulsfags so butthurt,i just might.
>talking about DS3 to someone at work after launch
>normie co-worker overhears and gets it because they like playing things with knights and shit
>he spends like 2 weeks and only gets through a few bosses, asking me questions every day
>eventually they figure out on their own how to co-op, and get through 70% of the game in a day
>now spends his time doing 3-man ganks all day
What have I done?
It's not like Dark Souls is hard, the problem is that 99% of videogames are too fucking easy. I can't remember the last game that challenged me and that's because I'm a good player or something
>>339493987
Because it's difficult for people that never play videogames.
Now, stop being autistic and buttmad at normies.
>>339497157
alright, I totally believe you
continue not enjoying dark souls, friend
>>339497157
I would be devastated if you do.
>>339494174
The controller scheme did suck when I first played it, you just had to adjust to it.
I was a keyboard+mouse player for the longest. My intro to souls series was DS1 and it had horrible keyboard/mouse controls + framerate issues. I gave up on that due to that. I skipped DS2 for unknown reason. Played DS3 with good keyboard/mouse and it worked out pretty fine. The game is hard, as in its not easy mode, however you can adapt to it and make it easy enough.
The meme about Dark Souls being hard as fuck probably comes from casuals who couldn't complete Dark Souls solo or got stuck on couple of bosses. The game is otherwise very simple but challenging enough to most players.
Another major reason it is seen as "hard" is because of lack of competition in gameplay mechanics. No other games really make games challenging enough without resorting to stupid hacks.
>>339493987
>Ok so check this out. This game is SUPER hard. It's literally Dark Souls of..
This shit is annoying.
>>339494690
One hit kills isnt difficulty.
>>339497312my dick is super hard. it's literally the dark souls of dicks
>>339497157
Even so you're playing a game you claim to not enjoy to make a group of people you don't know personally upset over something that's fairly trivial, added to the fact that you haven't posted any proof of doing so
Whatever floats your boat my dude
>>339497321
HOLY KEK
Soulsfags just can't admit that a game they're bad at and is more punishing than dark souls is objectively harder
Also, barely any resources, if you don't manage it properly you wont progress into the story unlike dark souls where you can get throughout it all without finding any power ups or items.
Also,
>One hit kills isnt challenge
Oh? Why are dark souls bosses challenging then?
>>339496603
So you found a game boring and tedious but beat it 3 times to get all your boss soul shit anyway? In 5 days?
So you managed to beat Dark Souls 3 without a guide in less than 2 days but found it boring and tedious?
That is what you're saying anon?
Bamco marketing campaigns ingraining itself into their brains
And that it's a step above casual AAA hand-holding means that casuals get their shit slapped when they can't just press A to win
>>339497591
If you're dying in one hit to a boss in dark souls you're either under leveled or under geared. Since those are preventable, so are one hit kills.
>>339493987
Because mainstream pop culture has cemented it as lawl so hard
It applies to anything, even if someone finds it easy they'll tell themselves its so hard just to fit in
This series ruined mainstream gaming, halo and csgo faggots play it and act like its le super hard unique game
>>339496603
I'd be more inclined to believe you beat the game 4 times in a row without ever getting hit, than you playing the game and getting each and every item of the game without a guide.
>>339497724
What? I dont understand where you're getting the idea I ever replayed such a boring piece of shit
Finished it and was done with
>>339496686
Because they never played a old school game
Dark Souls is the hardest of casual games, so in a sense they are the hardest games for casuals to play because they won't play any hardcore games.
>>339497802
So you didn't get every weapon in the game then. Unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean by 'collectible', you seem to be full of shit.
>>339497802
You have to finish it multiple times to get all collectibles.
Literally none of soulsfags says that dark souls is difficult. Difficulty is not the main theme and aspect of these games.
>>339497751
>cannot believe that a newbie is better than them and is more thorough in exploration
so this is the fabled hardcore dark souls community I heard so much about.
Even stalker fans are more dedicated than you fags
>>339497157
>I waste my precious time on this earth 100%ing games I hate to in hopes of making an internet stranger mildly annoyed for a moment
ZombiU in survival mode is more punishing.
Am I the only one that struggles to come to terms with the fact that the majority of any population is stupid?
>>339497321
>I wanna be the guy isn't difficulty
>>339497945
Yeah? Then is it the deep and engaging story?
Why do tryhards act like dark souls is easy? Do they think it makes them sound like tuff shit?
Follow up, why do they always cite games from 7 gens ago when trying to claim there are harder games
>t-trust me bro i never had any trouble with Dark Souls
you fags are so pathetic
>>339497934
You really don't. The only thing that isn't there on the first playthrough are the rings.
>M-muh weapons
Not a collectible. Not an original pickup either.
>Muh artificial replay value
>>339498026
It's gameplay, world exploration, character customization, unique multiplayer.
Going through DeS right now
I don't understand, how did Dark Souls get so big? It doesn't feel like the kind of game that gets big.
The combat and the level design in these games is indeed quite difficult.
However the Souls games have a very lenient continue system akin to MMOs and Diablo-likes and you can't really "fuck up" to the point where you have to restart.
>>339497984
are you the only one who suffers from the better-than-average delusion?
>>339497984
No, I have a harder time believing there are intelligent people out there.
>>339497951
It's more that all the Souls games are full of stuff that no one was ever meant to find through anything but dumb luck. After which point it was meant to be shared through word of mouth and in game messages.
>Having trouble on Nameless King boss because my weapon is too slow
>Switch to a longsword and mash R1
>He's dead in under a minute
Cool game.
>>339498179
People tired of boring handholding games with cinematic experiences beetwen the shitty gameplay sequences.
It's easy. If you can still can play other games, Souls games are not for you, you have plenty games to play. For some there are nothing else to play than the Souls games.
>>339493987
You must be new here OP. The souls community is notorious for being full of anger issue manchildren that are in their safe zone about how dark souls is so le hard. Anything you say against it is jusy met with damage control of "it was just too hardfor you". If you beat it and werent impressed, good. Just appreciate what it did for pop culture in games and move on to better ones. Dont get dragged down fighting the morons in the subculture. They will never expand their taste in anything.
>>339498074
>This backpedaling
>>339498179
It filled a Niche, Demon's Souls was basically one of the only games on the market at the time that mixed a lot of what made retro games great with a lot of what makes modern games okay
>>339498201
That's not strictly true, at least in DaS1 you could aggro the crestfallen knight and would respawn still getting attacked by him. Newer players could easily view this as an unwinnable state and would likely have to restart.
>>339493987
marketing and memes
>>339498339
Okay but why these games? Why not something similar like MH?
>>339498321
Is it my fault the developers literally put hints and cheat codes in their games through the online messages? Maybe kt would be impressive to find everything if it wasn't for that. Otherwise, don't know what's so hard to believe about it.
>>339498419
Nice damage control. Getting so desperate that you have to consider weapons as collectibles
>>339498337
Balance tends to be fucking retarded on release for souls games. It took until PtDE for souls 1 to change dark wood grain ring from 50% equip load ninja flipping to 25%
>>339498507
MH games are not hard, they only become challenging when you play them Solo, which is what I do, but from what I've seen everyone else plays on multi all the time.
My 14yo sister who only played pokemon and zelda is playing it. She just beat the Capra demon on first try. It's piss easy. You die a bit at the beggining, learn how the game works and from there it's smooth sailing.
>>339498605
What the hell did you even collect then? Rings? Shields? Armor sets? Did you really grind out all the bullshit armor set drops in just 5 days?
>>339493987
It's not hard, it's just tedious, I hate replaying content in games, and souls is all about that. If it had a good save system I think I'd enjoy it a lot more
>>339498675
Souls games are not hard either with MP
>>339498507
Monster Hunter never clicked with me.
All souls games has an unique world to explore. It's empty. You're nothing in these worlds. You're one of the thousands undead husks.
The exploration in these games is the best. I played a lot of games, but no game came close to souls level design, even Dark Souls 2, the weakest souls game yet has very interesting locations.
It's the combination of gameplay, atmosphere and forgotten story that you can discover bit by bit.
Damn I love souls games.
I can't wait their new soulslike game, if they're making it. Insight system, where you can encounter new things in older locations are the best thing since World Tendency. I want them to continue to enhance the Souls formula.
>>339493987
It is an objectively more difficult game than most other mainstream titles. Your average, everyday mouth-breather enjoys games with few features and instant gratification, i.e. Call of Duty, so when another game comes along that suddenly demands that you keep track of 3 different status bars, what kind of damage your weapon does, and how heavy you are, it seems quite difficult in comparison.
>>339498675
Damn, who is talking about difficulty?
See this - >>339498915
You've likely been playing souls games for long enough that you understand how to play them and how they work
>>339498885
MH was built with MP in mind, souls games weren't.
>>339498915
>Insight
Does anything noticeable actually happen besides the Amygdalas?
I like the concept of world tendency but now I'm screwed out of getting the Dragon Bone Smasher because you're supposed to commit suicide at the Nexus every time after a boss.
>>339493987
God i wish Miazaki would make an actual hard game for the people that know what they are doing.
We have had 5 games to figure it out and the IA is still dumb as bricks and most bosses can be cheesed to death
But that wont happen because now when everyond goes around sperging about Dark souls being hard he will never make a game more difficult then what we got in 3
>>339498706
This. I believe people who heard "le haaaard gaem" meme start to play the game, die two times and then just ragequit because the game "is too hard". It's not that difficult to learn the controls and mechanics and just play the game with pleasure.
>>339499161
Random minor shit happens, like baby cryes and different attacks from the minor enemies, etc.
>>339498856
If you were good at the game you wouldn't be "replaying" content.
>>339499246
>die once
>lose an hour of content
>L-LOL YOU SUCK G-GIT GOOD BRO I NEVER EVEN DIED SOULS IS GREAT
>>339498856
Souls games literally has the best save system. Dark Souls 2 save system is the best, as it doesn't reset the enemy position, so you can't cheese the levels. Dunno why they got rid of it in DS3.
>>339499705
You can't lose your skill. If you die more and more in one place, sooner or later you'll be able to beat the difficult part. And this is one of the best parts of the souls games.
>normalfags
lmao
the entire "git gud" / "so hard" culture surrounding the souls series spawned on this very board.
>>339493987
Dark Souls is the adult/modern day Zelda. It's what all the normies and attentionwhores latch on to for male attention, and geek is chic points.
Someone post that DS shirt with all the dank mames on it.
>>339493987
Why do unemployed no-lifes who play games 24/7 act like they can be compared to normal functioning people?
>>339500486
No one acts like that here, newfriend.
Lost your job? Welcome to 4chan!
>>339497945
>special edition of DS1 literally called "prepare to die edition"
>DS2 opening starts up with "you're going to die, over and over"
>Difficulty is not the main theme and aspect of these games
come on buddy.
>>339500486
>functioning
>>339499982
I'm not saying I wouldn't beat it eventually, I hate having to replay a huge area over and over again, that doesn't matter
>>339500181
this. Back when Dark Souls first came out it was unanimously praised across all of /v/ and that's when all that shit started.
>>339500605
This is what on the surface. Soulsfags are people who see the games DEEEPER.
>>339500679
This is a common complain. If you don't want to play again and again, just don't play. It clicked with me on my third try, I dropped the game other two times, because I don't wanted to kill the same monsters hundreds of times.
>>339499834
>savepoints are miles away from each other
>if you die you have to replay it all over again
s-so hard guys
>>339500597
Everyone who says "lol dark souls is so easy" is either a tryhard or a neet that does nothing but playing videogames.
And I'm not saying it's the hardest game ever, but if you think it's "hurr so ez" then you're simply delusional.
What is the hardest game youve ever played guys? I'd say either No Armor X in Megaman X6 or Gentlemans Mode in Henry Hatsworth.
>>339500605
That's just Bamco marketing though.
The devs said difficulty wasn't their main focus.
>>339500938
Megaman games across the board are my fucking cryptonite
>>339500181
>>339500794
Git gud is an ironically answer to people who says something like "This game has a shit game design and the difficult is artificial "
>>339500884
No sane person says that souls games are easy. They're quite challenging, but this is what makes them interesting. The challenge makes the world feel more alive, more interesting.
Compare it to Witcher games with cinematic shit and stupid battles with vast empty world to explore.
>>339500938
I fucking hated Battletoads when I was a kid.Couldn't stop playing the game though
At first I had a hard time adjusting but now everything is super easy. You just need to recognize enemies attacks and patterns and roll away. I've killed every boss so far by rolling and spamming soul arrows.
>>339501252
Magic was a mistake.
>>339500817
>just don't play it
seriously nigger?
>>339501352
Yes. If I don't like the game - I don't play it. Is it that hard to understand?
>>339493987
I honestly can't tell if you're trying to be hardcore or casual. Not that I really care either way since I'm able to see the game is brilliant in that it can be played both ways.
>>339500679
>huge area
What, the areas between the bonfires? You realize that you just have to push towards the next bonfire, right? You don't even have to fight everything.
Just fucking think. The majority of the problems people have with these games come from lack of thinking. You're making it much too hard for yourself.
>>339502000
People just to used that games thinks for them.
Damn, after souls games I mentally puke when I see an rpg with auto map and quest markers.
>>339498831
The actually unique one time pickups. Stuff you collect. The miracles, pyro, sorceries, gestures, so forth. Not randomized drops. Again, nice denial damage control.
>>339502000
Checked
>>339502146
>I collected it in one go despite not playing any souls games and played a game for a week
Your reply will be
>nu uh/ oh yeah well it was so easy XD
>>339493987
Why do soulsfags act like dark souls pvp is deep and skillful?
>>339494174
It does suck, thousands of hours it still sucks. You have to use The Claw and it gets fucking annoying after a while.
>>339502628
Why do (You) make such shitty bait. It screams
>P-Please reply.
>>339494690
Nightmare on TEW is harder then any Souls game. Not by much but it is more consistently challenging.
>DeS
>Easy as shit outside of like 2 areas
>DaS1
>Easy as shit outside of like 2 areas and 2 bosses
>DaS2
>Easy as shit besides 1 of the DLCs
>BB
>Okay difficulty up until half way through the game then every boss is a push over besides a few optional ones
>DaS3
>Easiest Souls games yet.
Nightmare is consistently challenging through the whole difficulty. The beginning because of lack of power/resources and then later in the game they up the ante to make the game still challenging even with the weapons and ammo is still scarce.
