Why is everyone bitching about her on the Overwatch forums? Do you think she deserves a nerf?
There are obvious broken heroes like Mei, Bastion, MCreee, etc. And people are only complaining about Widowmaker? Literally what the fuck is wrong with the community?
http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/17611861644
http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/17611911402
http://eu.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/17611851785
the entire concept of the sniper class is bullshit. you don't really fight a sniper, you don't have much say in whether or not you live or die, it's all up to them. if they are able to click on your head in that split second you wander around a corner then you die.
widowmaker takes this to another level and is a new level of bullshit than we are used to.
>>339470471
>People spend that much time on arguing about game balance
>>339470664
t. pleb that made the thread on Overwatch forums.
The reason why the community complains is because they haven't yet learned how good Winston is. Instead they're rather play noob bait Reinhardt and be a sitting duck while the enemy widow kills all his carries
>>339470471
I do not like Widowmaker.
Does she need nerfs? No.
McCree and Mei are the only characters in this game that truly deserve nerfs.
>>339470883
Doesn't Reinhardt hard counter widow?
>>339470664
This coupled with the fucking awful netcode and maps with ridiculous sight lines completely fucks up the pace and playstyle of the game.
There's very little way to contest her if you happen to be playing someone with a lower effective range, she does 150 damage on a charged body shot(unless she accidentally clicks on your head, where it's a 300), can fire them off with very little delay, her aim doesn't bounce if she's under fire so you can't pressure her even if you're able to hit her, her ult doesn't give a global audio cue despite how gamebreaking it is(High noon, justice, die, and sights can all be heard globally and they actually require set up to pull off while Infrared is just "oh I died peeking this corner because she knew exactly where I was going") the game ends up revolving entirely around the sniper/countering it.
>>339470883
Reinhardt is a great choice against a Widow, but it relies entirely on your team's ability to do things while they're behind your shield.
>Bastion
>OP
Choose one
she's just anti fun. you can casually play whatever you want and have a good time until a good widowmaker shows up then you have to play her game or get shit on. it's gotten to the point where i'll just leave after the match instead of hanging around for a rematch if there's a good widowmaker int he lobby. Maybe I don't want to worry about having to play specifically to counter this one person? if I want to mess around with Mei or junkrat or even half the characters I can't because widowmaker will just insta end you if you accidently walk around the wrong corner
Anyone know how you play against Mei? I seriously have no idea how to counter this broken-ass hero. 250 Health, Freeze stream that does tons of damage, ice spike gun mode that can snipe you with long range, invulnerability and healing, AoE freezing ult, walls to block off objective. What the fuck were they thinking when they made this hero?
I know people say just maintain range, but I just can't kill her because of her 250 health and invulnerability/healing skill. She is more annoying to play against than Tracer.
You're asking why Blizzard fans are bitching on the Overwatch forum?
>>339471570
She can't fight other close range heroes at close range and she can't fight any long range heroes at long range.
Just git gud
>>339471693
>Genji gets fucked 9 times out of 10 by a Mei player with half a brain
>Eu forums
Blizzard have even said they barely read any of the eu forums anyway.
>completely charge a shot
>no one dies from one or even two shits to the body
>of course instant kill headshot
>abilities are average at best
What is to nerf? Her ultimate is nothing special neither
>>339471570
any class that can outrange her.
she doesn't have the dps to bring roadhog downbefore her freeze is over.
mcree can kill her, even if she gets the jump on mcree if mcree reacts fast enough he can stun her before he's frozen.
reaper can kill her by making use of his immune ability at the right time to reset her frost buildup.
mei is mostly about getting the jump on you and there's plenty of classes that can deal with her even if she jumps you.
>There are obvious broken heroes like Mei, Bastion, MCree
Shitter detected. Widowmaker is one of the few OP heroes right now and absolutely needs a nerf. She can bring down the entire enemy team without needing an ult or anything like that and is pretty much the only hero without a hard counter because she's highly mobile, has 200 hp and can kill flankers like Reaper or Tracer without any problems with her machine gun.
>>339470471
>Haha people complaining about my main needs to git gud
>Posts no counter heroes / strategies whatsoever
As expected of widow mains. I use Winston when her sniping spot is reachable, and wall her out as Mei when our defense is lacking.
The only trouble I've had is on King's Row Defense, as good Widowmakers stick to the top exit of Attack. I can't reach as Winston there, what do?
>>339471748
Mei is a counter to Genji, I forgot to mention that. Other than that my statement holds true.
>>339471748
genji has an escape and vastly more range than mei.
if she jumps you, dash away and keep your distance.
you can even leap over her ice wall if she tries to box you in.
>>339471767
>>no one dies from one or even two shits to the body
This is a lie. She can kill some heroes with a single bodyshot, two bodyshots bring down even tanks.
>>339471853
>Dash away
>Still slow
>Have to wait 8 seconds to dash again
>Frozen
>>339470471
Widowmaker makes Zenyatta unplayable, so there is obviously a problem there. Her gun charges way too fast for what it can do.
>>339471827
Genji is actually quite good against Widowmaker. You can get up anywhere they can, and at close range they get fucked.
She nerds a nerf, right now there's no reason to pick Hanzo.
>>339471890
And by some you actually mean just 1
>>339471016
>>339471148
i probably play winston more than any other tank and i can tell you that i find it easier to counter widows with him as he can rocket pack and zap away her squishy health bar before she realises she can zip away
honestly its one of my favourite things to do as winston
>>339472006
Leaving half the roster at 50 hp after a single bodyshot isn't much better you know.
>all these shitters complaining about widow
Hanzo gets picked way more in pubs, and is the easier version of widow to play. The fact that his hitbox is 3 times huger makes him easymode. Just get good scrubs.
Does Genji's melee attack do more damage than other Heroes or is it just a standard melee?
I've given up hope of ever applying his ult properly without immediately regretting using it, but I feel useless playing hokey pokey with his primary and the slice only being good for finishers or escaping. Reflecting shit is cool but I wish it could stay up longer.
Lucio Mcree and Mei are really the only the ones that should be nerfed
>>339472201
>watch killcam when hanzo killed me
>his arrow clearly misses and i was behind a wall
He is hard to play i swear.
Her rate of fire is absolutely retarded for a sniper. There is little punishment for missing shots or making a bad choice with one.
LETS MAKE WALLHACK AN ABILITY IN FPS GAME. WHAT COULD GO WRONG? XDDD
>>339472121
>Wait another second
>Charged to 150 dmg
>Kill the low health enemy
Unless you're really bad you shouldn't take more than 1 second after the initial shot to hit again (with Hitscan).
>Widowmaker with a Mercy on her clit 24/7 and a Soldier 76 protecting her flanks at all times
>Can bodyshot a Tank to death in a fucking second
>Widowmaker proceeds to shittalk her own team, even though they won, for being useless.
>Uses her K:D as a source.
Really, her Rate of Fire, charge time, and her SMG needs to be nerfed into the ground with no remorse. Maybe her base rifle damage too, but just a smidgen.
I'd like to be able to react when I take a body shot(or headshot on beefy characters) without getting immediately plugged by another the instant after.
>Just pick Winston ;^)
Yeah it's as if Widowmaker doesn't have teammates that will just turn around and kill Winston the second he dives into them or she can't just grapple away to safety and shoot him before he can leap again. Maybe if his tickle gun did more damage or she had less hp so he could actually kill her before either of those things he would be a better counter.
>>339470471
>Bastion
nigga just reflect :^)
>>339472201
>watch killcam of hanzo
>just shooting random arrows everywhere
>tries to kill someone
>misses 2 arrows and somehow kills 2 people behind that player
wew
The worst part is 20 tick making snap reflex shit like tennis reflect or tracer's rewind not activate in time meaning widow will get free kills since her shit is favored by lag
Reminder that according to /v/ no one needs a nerf because you can counter them all and you need to git gud
>>339470984
>Mei needs nerfs
And then what? Nobody would pick her.
>>339472505
>I never played the game: the post
First of all the enemy team will not turn around and help out Widowmaker because they need to play the objective
Second if they did they would just be wasting time because only a few select heroes can scale walls like widow and Winston. Winstons will end up killing Widowmaker and jumping away or jumping away entirely and have successfully wasted your teams efforts
Third his jump is on a lower cd than widow's grapple.
Fourth his jump combined with his tickle gun kills widow in 5 seconds
Hanzo is the better sniper anyways
>>339471891
True but you're safe if you're near a wall to climb. Her fat ass can't chase you up there.
Shit tick rate + incredibly forgiving sniping mechanics.
I can understand why people don't like Widowmaker. Anyone who plays CS or Quake can see how broken she is.
>>339472719
You can change characters at any time
>>339470471
She is a single fucking character, yet she forces the ENTIRE enemy team to COMPLETELY change their playstyle and approach.
She's just overpowered because of that. Also what >>339470664 said, whether or not you're going to get killed when you walk around a corner depends entirely on the Widows accuracy. If the player is good you're just fucked.
I don't understand why developers feel like it's necessary to have Sniper classes in an FPS even if it's a bad design decision.
You all know the game would be better without one.
>>339472767
He's so good he gets kills even when he misses.
He can miss, shoot you in the leg; whatever he wants. Gets a kill.
>>339472729
I don't see a problem in this scenario.
>>339470471
From what I've seen the tourneyfags seem to agree that mcree is a bigger issue, but she still needs nerfs (along with lucio and maybe 1 or 2 others)
Mei's invulnerability ability should be destroyable with roughly the same the same hp as a section of her ice wall
>know exactly where she's standing as soon as she fires the first shot
>can't kill most heroes in one bodyshot
>has to charge up for full damage
>can safely stand behind reinhardt shield to avoid getting gibbed easily
>etc.
I normally hate snipers, but Widowmaker seems the fairest one I've ever seen.
The maps also aren't so horizontal that she can just keep her crosshair fixed on one point at all times waiting for people to pass through.
>>339472804
Widowmaker literally has no hard counter.
>>339470471
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEN06UA9BrU
I have the best counter to widow. You ready?
Don't stand around out in the open when you know there is one. Her shots are highly visible for a reason.
>>339472917
Except every flanker
>>339472897
>Has to charge 1 second for full damage
>>339472970
She beats Tracer b/c zippy-zap girl has no vertical movement. Genji and Reaper still pound her ass, tho.
>>339472938
>you have to change your entire playstyle of your entire team because of one hero, this is not unbalanced
Okay fag.
>>339472970
She has 200 hp and a very strong machine gun while also being able to zip away to safety, she fucks Tracers or Reapers up beyond belief.
widowmaker is the closest thing to a carry
McCree is definately bullshit, but he cant carry a team anywhere close to the level a good widowmaker can
if shields reduce the damage of sniper attacks (hanzo/widow) by half then they'd be some room for counter play and Symmetra would at that point be incredibly fucking good at countering her and Zenyatta could actually be a viable pick even when the other team has a widow.
shields get destroyed first, which means if your taking fire from anything else then nothing changes, but a widow cant just 1hit ko you with a bodyshot from full hp
>>339472729
the best part is that in competitive and high level no one picks her anyway lmao
>>339473034
Widowmaker should never be able to hit a good tracer
>>339472748
>I've never played past bronze: the post
>Widowmaker
>OP
I bet you complain about the AWP too fucking shitters
Change her bodyshot damage to 100, and make her headshot damage 3 (or 4) times that, problem solved.
>>339472920
Wow, Winston sure took care of her. The same thing totally didn't happen to me several times tonight where she'd headshot him in the middle of his leap with plenty of time to take out 2 of our other teammates before anyone even noticed she was there.
>>339472897
>Implying you need to stand still as Widowmaker
>Implying leaving most heroes at 50 hp after one shot isn't just as bad
>Implying she can't just shoot again half a second later
>Implying she doesn't just zip around the battlefield to get around Reinhardts shield
>Implying there aren't other players around while your whole team has to deal with a single Widowmaker
>windowmaker being a problem
A good chunk of the cast has a kit to take care of Widowmaker with ease. The retarded "jump off ledge and grapple back on" tactic only works if the attacking player sucks at aiming. Winston takes a shit on her like it's nothing, and his jump is around half the CD.
All I see are people whining because they don't understand how to switch characters or play smart.
>>339472729
>Nobody would pick her.
That already happens.
>>339473018
2 actually.
>>339472847
>he can miss and kill you
No, he can't
>shoot you in the leg
Well yeah..I mean that's part of your body..so you should you know, take damage.
>>339473161
>one person can deal with Widowmaker
it's not fucking hard to kill her.
>>339473168
Widowmakers machine gun is strong enough to almost kill a Winston 1:1.
>>339473034
>she beats tracer
No she doesn't. A decent Tracer uses her dashes and E in order to kill a Widowmaker pretty easily. She's extremely mobile and hard to predict if they're not shit
>>339470471
The wallhack ult is too strong, coupled with the fact that for some reason, the one ult you really need to hear, is last priority in sound, and 9 times out of 10 you don't hear the activation.
Her medium/close range shooting is also extremely strong against other non-tank classes; at same aim skill, a genji is afraid to be close range to a widow because she out-dps him unless he has ult, which is absolutely ridiculous.
>>339471797
McCree is broken. He can fucking melt tanks faster than anyone can heal them. There is no real counter to him, all you can do is hope to catch him in the open with a sniper which won't happen against a good McCree. Other options are to pick McCree yourself and hope to god you get the first flashbang off, or you have to be able to outskill him completely with Tracer which is a huge demand against someone who can press one fucking button to delete you.
>>339473034
>Genji and Reaper still pound her ass, tho.
Oh I'm sure they do ;)
>>339473073
In TF2 the Sniper can still carry but hold on the Sniper actually has to get HEADSHOTS to carry in TF2.
I'am getting body shotted to death if I even stick my goddamn nimble ass out into the open.
Reduce her HP and lower her machine gun damage so she can't actually solo kill Tracers that try to flank her, problem solved
>>339473267
If it's all headshots with a full clip. Winston takes out 200 hp characters extremely fast with the jump damage combined with his left click. He also has a shield if someone is stupid and doesn't understand to not walk in a linear straight line.
>>339473308
Why are you complaining about being hit with bullets in the body and dying? Sniping doesn't REQUIRE headshots to kill.
>last friday
>wake up, open /v/, see bunch of threads saying how OP Bastion is
>saturday
>wake up, open /v/, see bunch of threads saying how OP McCree is
>sunday
>wake up, open /v/, see bunch of threads saying how OP Mei is
>monday
>wake up, open /v/, see bunch of threads saying how OP Lucio is
>today
>>wake up, open /v/, see bunch of threads saying how OP Widowmaker is
I wonder who will be next tomorrow
>>339473308
Let's not forget how long it takes to actually charge in TF2. Also snipers get their aim all fucky if they're getting shot at.
>>339472638
>suddenly die from nothing
>watch killcam
>hanzo shot a random scattershot and I guess one of the arrows hit my head or something because it took me down from full health
>I was the team's only healer
>they go on without me and get wiped
yep that was a frustrating night
>>339473294
I agree that McCree is slightly too strong, but he's still easy to counter. McCree is designed to beat people in close range 1v1 so it's stupid to run to him.
Just kill him with your team or from far away and he can't do anything.
>>339473394
>people actually thought Bastion was OP
>>339473426
The fact that he can kill anyone in the game in two seconds if he lands his E is bullshit. It's even more frustrating because I see more people abusing him the higher level I get.
>>339473531
Yeah, he's a little bit too strong, but not gamebreakingly op.
>>339473308
The problem with widow is that she's TF2's sniper on steroids in a game that whose characters are far slower paced then TF2's. The sniper in TF2 is restricted to a bolt action and rather lengthy charge time for a damn good reason, and even still, he's recently been a point of contention in the TF2 community which likely means either he or his unlocks are getting nerfed in the next balance patch. Why the hell would they give Widow a fucking semi auto rifle and an assault rifle knowing this? They clearly took some inspiration from TF2, so why not this?
>Roadhog can literally hook you through walls if he cast it on you before you ran behind it
>Widow/Bastion/Mei need a nerf
>mfw
McCree I could see being argued because of how the competitive scene is abusing him. I main Mercy and the only time I have a problem with him is if he flanks me, which happens. His fan spray needs balancing.
>>339473394
Complains about McCree and Widowmaker are nothing new, they have been around since the earliest beta days because they are actually OP and don't have hard counters.
>>339473437
Practically everyone fucking did, even back in closed beta.
It's really a key detail to tell if someone has played the game for more than 10 minutes.
Cuz they can
>>339472810
>I don't understand why developers feel like it's necessary to have Sniper classes in an FPS
It's almost as if people want to play supah-eleet-snipah and devs want them to play their games.
>>339473698
>they dont have hard counters
but thats wrong anon, they do
>>339473426
Good McCrees know better than to make themselves easy targets out in the open. They catch you around the corner or inside rooms of buildings and what not. You just can't do anything about him.
>"haha just dont go around corners bro"
fuck off they're everywhere and so are flank routes where he can easily get behind us without anyone noticing
>>339472748
5 seconds is a fucking long time in this game
>>339470471
I'm a Splatoon player looking to get into Overwatch. Don't know much about the game yet.
How do snipers work in this game? Why is everyone complaining about Widowmaker? Seems like a standard FPS sniper class, from what I've seen.
I have a 78% winrate on Widow and - god - I love killing scrubs.
I bet you're all crying about Bastion und Mei too.
>>339473294
Actually, you need to flashbang last to win a mirror duel.
You'd know this if you weren't shit at the game.
>>339473918
>Why is everyone complaining about Widowmaker?
Because they're bad and don't understand how counters and Snipers in general work.
>>339473860
>Pick Genji
>Reflect
>McCree presses E
>Dies
Or
>Pick Genji
>Reflect
>McCree doesn't shoot
>Your teammate kills him
Problem solved.
(Not to even mention Roadhog or Hanzo)
>>339473426
Except he's also the best mid-range dps (not enough spread on fan the hammer) and the highest shield destroyer (you guessed it, fan the hammer spam).
Widowmakers ok to be honest, I think her ult should just be for her and not the entire team though
This would also encourage communication
>>339470471
I love playing widow and I do pretty well with her.
Worst enemies are;
winstons - they jump on you and if you dont have a team mate who noticies fast enough you will probably die
tracer - even though you can one shot her, if she does manage to sneak past you which does happen despite all the crybabies, she can really fuck you up
zen yata - puts a big fuck you sign on your head and then his delayed balls make it easier for him to poke at you than the other way, zenyata is my go to when theres a good widow on the enemy team and he rarely fails me
reinhart - enemy just get behind the shield and shoot back at you gg cant do anything now
>>339470471
reduce her charge up time when scoped and lower her smg damage somewhat
>>339470471
Goldeneye 64 player here, been awhile since I've touched a newer FPS.
Overwatch looks pretty interesting though, hows the gameplay?
>>339473910
Not really
That's how long it takes Mei to freeze someone and people whine about her all the time
>>339474063
>pick Genji
>Reflect
>McCree throws flashbang ON THE FLOOR, not directly to you
>still get stunned and killed
Genji is shit anyway, I always deal with McCree using either Junkrat or piggu face
>>339473426
He actually has no counter whatsoever, he has soft counters such as randomly being headshot by a sniper but that is not really countering him as it would work on just about anyone who is out of position. McCree being McCree is only countered by another McCree, no one else in the game has an answer to his play pattern. He chews through tanks, supports, offense, defense, everything. If he lands his stun, you're dead, every time, and everyone just has to play around that. It's not healthy for the game, but that's just how it is right now.
>>339474114
I think this cartoon game is aimed at people a little younger than you, gramps
>>339473918
You know that tracking bomb in Splatoon?
She has that all the time.
And you don't know she is tracking you.
>>339474232
I'd say Roadhog is a hard counter. As soon as he sees McCree he can hook and kill him.
>>339474327
McCree's flashbang comes out faster than the wind up for Roadhogs hook. Roadhog is dead before he comes out of stun.
>>339474303
>And you don't know she is tracking you.
sure if you're deaf
>>339474387
For that McCree would have to be at close range to him. A good Roadhog will hook McCree from outside of flashbang range.
Shitters don't take cover when low, never try to pressure widows with suppressive fire, always run in a straight line through open areas, can't take a hint when they get hit once, never try to flank, snipers rarely try to countersnipe.
It's the same as Bastion whiners, scrubs just refuse to even try to counterplay because they'll rather cry "it's op you're ruining the game stoop"
>Mcree basically has a >200% pick chance in pro play
>Widowmaker is op
???
>>339474467
Her ult line isn't global, you have to be close to her to actually hear it
>>339473842
Please, Overwatch wouldn't have gotten any less popularity if it didn't have a sniper class you fucking retard
>>339474253
Hey I'll have you know I was keepin' my peeper's out towards news of that Starcraft Ghost.
Whatever happened to that anyway? Is this "Overwatch" a spin off? A prequel? OP's purple girlie looks a whole lot like the blonde one.
>>339474013
Sounds about right. I'm reading through the thread now, and it's so similar to people complaining about E-Litres.
So what does Widow do, exactly? She's got a sniper rifle, a machine gun for close range, and her ultimate (infrared?) is basically wallhacks?
>>339474583
I agree with this statement, but I continue to question why Soldier 76 was made to play the way he does when TF2 got away with not having his type of gameplay for years.
This thread has the exact same kind of complaints I saw garbage bronze and silver players make on the league of legends forums in 2013. Proof that everyone that plays this game and browses /v/ is a shitter.
>>339474539
Don't pretend that Widow doesn't have a huge pick rate as well.
>>339473328
A tracer that gets solo killed by Widow is a shitter
>>339471827
>what do?
countersnipe
I picked widowmaker and couldn't hit shit
EVERY character destroys when you have godlike accuracy.
this is just stupid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIEY9-mPn4
>>339474809
You nailed it. That's how her kit works except you left out her grapple hook which has a pretty lengthy cool down around 12 seconds or so.
>>339472006
tracer and the joga guy
>>339474835
yeah, in pro games where people can actually aim
in pubs she's fucking bad because the people playing her are almost invariably shit
>>339474965
>mediocre tf2 sniper is considered godlike in overwatch
classic!
>>339474993
Yeah that hitscan high rof sniper is so hard to hit with, truly Widow is only decent when played by the absolute best.
>>339474114
>Goldeneye 64 player here, been awhile since I've touched a newer FPS.
>>339474893
>Peek out as widow to snipe the other widow
>Die because she sees you before you can get around the wall to see her
favor the shooter :^)
>>339474973
How does Infrared work? Is there an equivalent to Cold-Blooded to counter it?
>>339475125
if you're shooting at a high rof you're doing fuckall damage idiot
fuck you're bad please shut the fuck up
>>339475190
its wall hacks for 15 seconds.
>>339475190
Red silhouettes of each enemy is shown on the screen for Widowmaker and her allies. There is no counter to it. You just wait until it runs out
>raise tickrate from 20 to anything above 64
>Hanzo, Widowmaker, Mcree, Bastion, all fixed
>server no longer holding the hands of shitters by giving them too much leeway with their aiming
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>339472773
Actually she can make a wall under her.
>>339474965
what did you expect from a retarded Korean
Infra-Sight should go away if she dies.
>Buy this piece of crap in a minute of weakness
>Level 6, 2,5 hour played
>Wanna refund, support says i need sub level 5 or 2 hour play time, cant help me
>Cant sell the account, i have WoW stuff in it
>I REALLY regret that 40 dollar
Wat do /v/?
>There are obvious broken heroes like Mei, Bastion,
I can't aim for shit with her so I don't think she's OP.
Eh she is fine, over all the hitboxes need fixing though as well with the tick rate
>>339475367
Brush my teeth because you seem to have a severe case of shit taste.
I don't even get the widow complaints, literally just a sniper, if you played any other shooter you know how to handle her.
Hanzo on the other hand
>WH faar more often
>aoe shot that depending on "luck" instakills 200hp classes
>ultimate is a gigantic extreme damage move that goes through literally everything and sometimes covers the entire part of the map that has players in it
>way more mobility with climbing instead of a shitty long CD hook
>somehow extremely easy to headshot people with it
And I mean the last one, I'm a pretty bad shot and I pull off things with him that is just not okay.
Mcree is a bitch too but Hanzo is disproportionately OP, he should be twice as large for a bigger hitbox, and generally that ultimate should not fucking work like this.
>>339475367
Do you REALLY need your wow shit?
And do realize that you are trying to say that you have better taste than to play OW - while saying you play WoW in 2016, I hope you see the contradiction.
>>339475367
>2.5 hours played
>not even enough time to fully understand all characters and mechanics
>shit
If you don't like FPS games why the fuck did you buy this?
>>339474094
>zen yata - puts a big fuck you sign on your head and then his delayed balls make it easier for him to poke at you than the other way, zenyata is my go to when theres a good widow on the enemy team and he rarely fails me
he doesnt have good mobility and you follow your team so usually widow has already aimed at the spot you are gonna pop out from. I found getting the orb on her to be really hard.
>>339475529
>Hanzo is disproportionately OP
literally one of the weakest characters right now, consider suicide
>>339470471
>Players at low skill levels
>SHES FINE!
>Players at high skill levels
>Needs a massive nerf!
Widow is the anti-mcree in terms of skill-level. Mcree is bitched about because any tard can E-M2, whereas to truly show how fucking busted Widow is you need to have high skill.
The entire pro-scene revolves around her if its a cap point or payload map, its why they run double winston so damn much. Mcree is just a byproduct of hero stacking and the retardation that brings.
>>339474673
that got cancelled in 2005
>>339475529
>getting random luck arrows because people can't avoid line of fire
>OP
Hanzo is far from being OP. He's a little on the weak side if anything.
>>339475367
Relax into it, play some more, play some fun bullshit characters that get loads of kills like reaper or mei, try out all the different heroes see if there's something you can find fun in
At the very worst, this game is supposedly not ever going to have paid content expansions, all the new maps and characters will be free, so even if you don't like the game the way it is now you'll be able to revisit it later when they add new shit
If you're american or central european, check out the thread on /vg/ and find some people to play with, shenanigans and rolling retarded teams like 6 winstons is always fun
>>339475250
>>339475285
> no counter
Surprising. Does it go away if you kill the Widow that used it? Can you stop it with another ultimate?
>>339475717
>high skill cap character is strong when played with high skill
woah....
>>339475163
As defender you can stand there in the open with your gun aimed at the door. Basically who headshots first wins
>>339475796
no
no counter
Although widowmaker can make the most use out of it. So killing her means she cannot get easy kills
>>339475798
>missing the point that at high skill levels she is beyond broken
High cap or no, it doesn't excuse how good she is.
>>339470471
Seing all the threads, people seems to be complaining about every single Hero they've die against. Aka every Heroes ever
The only thing that needs changed is her ult, everything else about her is fine. It either needs to be only active for her, or it needs a global audio cue, that's literally it.
>>339475802
>not reminding your gramps every visit that you are his grandchild
>>339474583
Yes, call other people retarded when you can't understand why you don't alienate potential customers in the name of Random Scrub #14625's opinion on game balance.
>>339475383
Try playing mei against experienced premades who are actually using voip, she gets completely shut the fuck down by actual team coordination
At high level play Mei, Bastion, Hanzo and Roadhog are considered the worst classes while the top 6 are Lucio, Mcree, Winston, Mercy, Rein and Tracer.
Most people are bitching about pubstompers only.
>>339470664
>>339471148
>>339472810
Stop being fucking shit and git gud with genji or winston
>>339472273
All melee attacks do 50hp regardless of the hero.
>>339475647
>>339475742
Nice reasoning you got there.
Is that why he is in literally every game?
Sometimes twice?
>>339470471
Widowmaker is extremely effective in this game due to the fact it's super easy to headshot anyone unless they have an ability active (Reinhardt) because everyone moves so goddamn slow. I would say speed the game up, but they would have to rebalance projectile based weapons and it would scare away tons of casuals who are overwhelmed by anything fast-paced.
>>339475858
>>339475918
Wait, is there an easy way to tell whether Infrared is active? Do other snipers have similar abilities?
>>339476193
You haven't been playing long if you seriously think Hanzo is OP. He's a lot of fun, but fuck he falls flat a lot.
>>339476087
>high level play
I love how a super casual shit game a week after release has such depth
/v/ you are the biggest hypocrites in the land
Does anyone have the 3 lucio webms one where he comes back from falling into a pit and another whee he blast like 5 reinhardts off the stage
>>339476193
>weeabo cockstroking character
>why is he picked every game?
I'm going to guess its because you're playing at a shit mmr getting matached against other shitty people
>>339476193
yeah in shitty rated pubs, jesus christ you must be in the trashcan if you think 2 hanzo is fine lmao
>>339476274
if youre close to her you hear it activate. If you get shot by her you can see it active in the killcam and tell your buddies.
>>339476276
Give me the reasons for it please, tell me what part of my post was wrong?
You can't honestly believe your posts of "no he is gud" and "no he is bad" has any fucking value to anyone ever
>>339476274
The easy way to tell if Infared is active, is if you go near doorways and the spam starts up, or you peek a corner and die instantly.
The only other sniper has a huge straight line projectile that goes through the map, abd does damage as it passes through you. THAT ult has a global line, but wallhacks which are arguably more useful in high level play does not.
>>339476370
You honestly do not deserve this reply.
>>339476193
He's worse than Widowmaker in every way.
>>339475610
Played beta, get addicted, withdrawal syndrome, i am ok. Then last day studying for my exam, doesnt understand shit, give up and just buy the game play mindlessly until morning.
>>339475602
I am not actively playing it you dipshit, but i have 3 years invested in that shit and i aint giving them out for free. Not even mentioning SC2 and HS bucks.
[SPOILER]Plus it is no THAT bad to do some raiding once a week with a confy guild[/SPOILER]
>>339475770
Dude, it is a VERY fun and polished game with low skill ceiling, noob bait ultimates, awfull competitive design, zero progress or hook up, and most importantly everybody just plays the fuckever they want making the game a coin toss.
>>339476374
>long CD on skills
>can't get away as easily as Widowmaker in duels
>Arrows have travel time and become harder to hit from a distance
>arrows fall with time making it harder to land shots and takes adjusting
>Dragon is easily avoided by walking to the side and most points in maps are wide enough to side step it
>gets fucked hard close range by most characters unless he lands an instant headshot
He's fun, but he's really far from OP like I said. There are too many characters that can counter him. You should have enough experience with him now to know that before you come on here bitching about it.
>>339476283
The game was in beta for half a year and blizz held tournaments with pro fps teams so they could get to grips with the balance.
>>339476283
its almost as if /v/ isn't a collective hivemind
Mind blowing isn't it
>>339472505
Widow is usually perched up by herself on some ledge, winston can just jump in there and murder the shit out of her. Also his forcefield exists for a reason. Use it to cover yourself and the widow so no other enemies can interrupt you and jump away as soon as she's dead.
>>339476297
2* not 3
>>339470471
Widowmaker is fine.
I think Lucio needs a nerf. Maybe make it so he cannot heal himself.
MEI should only be able to run five meters before taking a short breather
WE WILL BE placing soda machines all across the map which let her temporarily bypass her "break"
It MAKES SENSE IN LORE because she's a FAT PIECE OF SHIT
>>339476558
So it boils down to "its harder to shoot with than widow"... because really, long CDs, shitty getaway skills apply to her too, just like getting fucked hard by any other class close up, and her ultimate is just a bigger version of something hanzo throws around every few seconds...
>>339476531
>everybody just plays the fuckever they want making the game a coin toss
Because there's only one "play" button, so people who want to practice / play drunk / not put a lot of effort in and people who want to play competitively all get lumped in together.
I feel that there is more skill ceiling then people give credit for, the difference between a tracer player with 25% accuracy and a tracer player with 60+% accuracy is a lot of kills. It's surprisingly hard to hit enemy players as they're juking and jumping around.
>>339476935
>drop in drop out UNRANKED multiplayer
>9 times out of 10 you are joining an already lost game
>you do get a leaver penalty if you quit in-matches
Thanks blizzard for being so lazy as to not make more than a single mode to play in.
>>339476841
You mean "ass". Fat piece of ass.
I'm ok with semi retarded players, I mean we all know people with down syndrome and these guys want to play vidya too, not standing behind Reinardt, trying to kill people caping the obj while standing on the edges of the obj, setting their turret or Bastion at the end of the map, waiting, trying to catch Genji when his team is on the obj etc. It's ok, I can stand it. But people who fucking never change their hero, I just can't.
I think that it's dumb that a sniper has an assault rifle and is good in close range combat. I think she should have a secondary "oh shit" weapon like the Sniper, but that's the nature of this casual, dumbed down fps that you can't have something as basic as weapon switching.
>>339475970
I do often wonder how the reaction of my grandfather would be if I would try to explain to him how a bunch of people use an image board to complain about things like how a purple skinned women with a sniper rifle should have her game's code rearranged so that she can be played more fairly with the other characters.
I mean, he's not that out-of-style, he's played a couple of games, and isn't glued to the past.
But he'd probably still think it's fucking dumb.
>>339477149
the issue is that her assault rifle does way too much damage and the accuracy is really high
>>339476886
>Get jumped by a flanker as Widow
>Grappling Hook the fuck out of dodge, venom mine, turn around and start shooting with your assault rifle
>Flanker gets fug'd
>Get flanked as Hanzo
>Start shooting arrows wildly everywhere in blind panic
>Either get a lucky headshot or that scatter arrow you shot in that next block over there kills the flanker
Both are okay.
>>339476935
That's not how it works. There's a hidden ranking system.
>>339477149
>that you can't have something as basic as weapon switching.
mercy can switch.
But yeah her assualt rifle is a bit too good for a sniper. They should just make the accuracy about of good as roadhog his shotgun. So in melee range it can work but between that and long range you have to either try and snipe in close range or get fucked
>>339477253
I'd usually climb a wall and laugh at the unfortunate retard who'll die in 2 arrows at best OR get tracked through walls so I can easily avoid/kill him.
Regardless even if I say Widow has more survivability - Hanzos WH is up far more often, the scattershot can be extremely effective, and the ultimate - no matter how many "urdur sidestep it, its just 15 meters wide" comments - is good.
Widow is easier to play but maxes out her usefulness much faster.
>Teamwide wallhack
>"wtf why are people complaining about this?"
Only characters I really feel need an adjustment are McCree and Widowmaker.
Even Blizzard didnt intend McCree's go to strategy to be stun and fan apparently? The skills probably just need a longer cooldown or something. Do his normal shots have any spread at medium/long range?
Widowmaker SMG could be fine, I think her real problem is her charge shots only taking a second to reach full power. If she couldn't headshot maybe that would be okay but her team clearing capability on PC is pretty nuts.
>>339477158
Thats a stupid way of thinking. Fandoms are always strange to people outside of it. If you would lead someone into comket they would probably need a few liters of drink to wipe their memory and become a whole human again.
>>339477449
>most of the roster can easily close the gap on Hanzo
>ult still is easy to avoid
He's under powered. You can make up situations in your head where he is useful, but he doesn't match up to a lot of other characters right now.
>>339477608
>You can make up situations in your head
And so can you, and you do.
>>339477319
But no option to opt out of tryhard matches
Let's say you play the shit out of Mei and do really well and carry a lot of games and get really high MMR, then you decide you want to pick up 76 or tracer and are like "wow I can't aim for shit" and the only way to practice is to just play. The system thinks you're a tryhard pro or whatever and if you want to take a casual break on an off-character then you're going to be dragging down the team you get matched with.
>>339476098
Or D.Va, or Tracer.
>>339477646
Either way, it doesn't change the fact that Hanzo isn't as useful or effective in a lot of the situations.
He's simple not OP.
>>339470471
Is her shots hit scan or projectile/time based? If it's a hit scan, they should just change it. I don't understand why half the characters have hit scan shots and half don't.
>>339477525
His peacekeeper has very little spread
>>339477724
Because this is a babby fps anon
if widow got a projectile based sniper the butthurt outcry from the millions of shit players would deafen the entire earth
do you think they practiced using the AWP in CSGO for 4000 hours just so they have to learn to aima gain?
>>339477525
I think they wanted to have mcree as a medium range shooter like soldier 76. The fan would be a kind of backup in someone got close.
But with pocket sand and roll he is just insane in close range and there is no reason to shoot from a distance if you can just shit down someones throat in melee range
>>339475060
1 second charge up time vs 3.3 seconds. Plus a fucking movement ability, a more powerful smg, wallhacks and a mine to watch their back.
Her gun should be a rifle. None of this turning into Soldier 76 shit if you get up in her face.
>>339477841
For real tho, I think that could solve a looottttt of the overpowered bitching. She could still have her smg as a hitscan.
>>339470471
I play mostly Pharah on attack so I'm always out for widow and hanzo booty. What bugs me is McCree as any character. He hits hard from long rang like a sniper, he one(6)shots people with his right click (I think?) and he has a stun.
That fucking stun is so frustrating to play against. I can't look every direction at once so I die to that shit all the time.
>>339477724
>trying to explain why someone like McCree having an hitscan weapon is bullshit in this game
The guy kept insisting that he was OP because of his close range power and not because his ability to play sniper if someone has the skill in a game full of limitations.
>>339478018
I think maybe even /v/ can agree that mcree is imbalanced as fuck.
What sense does it make for a class to be able to take down quite literally anyone at any range?
Kiddy toy.
>>339477984
>I think that could solve a looottttt of the overpowered bitching
yes if you nerf someone it will stop OP bitching. But there is already a non-hitscan sniper and he is one of the weaker heroes
>obvious broken heroes
>Mei
>Bastion
You people are the worst, the difference between Widow and these 2 is Widow can carry a game by herself if she just doesn't miss her shots. If you actually think Bastion is OP you're probably retarded, Mei is only OP if you somehow always get in 1v1 against her and you're not McCree, so just don't do that. Pro tip: this is a team game.
>>339478135
That's true, didn't think about Hanzo.
>>339473228
It's 1.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/overwatch/Widowmaker
>honeymoon phase over
>people see that this game sucks ass now
sucks you wasted money on it. kek.
>>339478269
>allows her to see the heat signatures of her targets
Does that mean widows cannot see eachother due to the whole lore shit
>>339470471
Widowmaker bodyshots need a nerf. Rewarding a hitscan sniping class with the ability to two-shot 90% of the game's classes is a bad idea. It's fine with Hanzo because Hanzo is balanced because he needs to at least be close to the front lines to be the most effective, but Widowmaker only needs line of sight and you don't even notice her most of the time. By the time you hear the crack of the sniper bullet, you're more than half dead, if she can't aim. The other shot isn't difficult because most people panic and run for cover.
All they need to do to fix Widowmaker is decrease damage from body shots. If it takes less than three body shots to kill the weakest class, then Widowmaker will be forever OP.
>>339470471
I feel like she needs a nerf just because she's so much better than Hanzo. Compared to her, Hanzo is barely even a sniper.
>>339477449
I stopped dying to hanzo ults after the second day of release. The only ones that get me are true surprises that are aimed in some backasswards direction. He mostly shoots them at the point or payload so you just walk away from it.
Every character in Overwatch is currently balanced
>>339478456
>I only die from it when the hanzo isn't terrible
Yeah these are solid points.
>>339473394
I think it's all different people, but we're going to see more and more about widow as people get better as her and she gets more devastating at higher levels.
>>339476274
If you're within 20 feet when she activates it you'll hear it, otherwise when you walk around a corner and die you'll figure it out. She's the only one with the ability, it works for the entire team and has no counter, she will see you through the entire map.
All sniping classes just need to die in one hit.
They kill in one hit and die in one hit, that is the risk of picking a sniping class.
The current system is retarded.
>>339478351
nope. They can see each other when both/either have ult.
>>339478548
I'd agree with this.
But then I'd also agree with removing them entirely, they add nothing to the game bar giving kiddies an outlet to stroke their KDR.
Can't even count on these shitheads to get rid of a turret.
>hanzo this
>mei that
Meanwhile, in competitive "esports" they so called "pros" only pick Widow, McCree, Lucio and Reinhardt.
But guess they only had 6 whole months to figure who's OP.
best character
best dad
best husbando
Reinhardt is also top tier
>>339476806
Lucio is weak if you ask me. Sure he has AoE healing, but it really awards the other players not being shit as it's very weak and amp it up only lasts like 2 seconds. His ult starts draining immediately, and his shot are weak. While he has decent rate of fire, they're short burst and is one of the slower projectiles. His push is useful but can only be used if you have ammo and it's off cooldown. There's been a number of times where I needed to push someone away, but couldn't since lucio was reloading.
He's got mobility but a good roadhog can kill you pretty quick or a mei that catches you off guard can completely nullify your movement.
I would say he needs a buff with his ult. If it stayed solid for a second or two before it started degrading, that would be enough.
>>339478548
Btw there was a time where her scoped shots only consumed 1 shot, did more damage and she could gain ult while her ult was active.
Blizzard has literally no FPS players working for them and don't understand how good people can aim.
>>339471797
Winston is the counter.
Also D. Va
>>339470471
Being able to oneshot people with a bodyshot is rather insane. You need a special skill set up to even do that in Call of Duty (at least in the last few I played). I would say she should get a damage nerf to at least encourage snipers to git gud, even if it just reduces the max damage with bodyshots that she can do to 149.
>>339478815
Yeah I agree Lucio is really bad, also Mercy is bad, they should make people who get revived be able to shoot but still be invulnerable for a few seconds.
>>339478880
A damage reduction to like 130 would be pretty nice.
Doesn't she also have 3x damage on headshots?
>>339476098
kill yourself and stop ruining team based arena shooters
this retarded nigger sniper class has no place in this game
>>339478740
And Mercy, I forgot her.
>>339478815
Currently Lucio is the most OP character according to top players and always picked in competitive.
>>339478879
>D.Va
She only counters her team, turning the game in a 6 Vs 5.
>>339478880
My problem with Widow is mainly that people dont fucking care
>widow shoots down someone in team
>can see the line of the shot so "we all know" where she is
>5/6 of the team simply don't have the weapons to do anything against the bitch 150 meters away
Seriously most of the time I have to attack her as Mercy or she'll just sit there killing people until one of the quick offense dicks arrives at her location - but then again she has all the tools to get away from them.
>>339472391
That's more lag compensation, kill-cams don't always accurately represent what the player saw.
>>339479008
Guy is thinking
>this is why rape exists
>>339470471
Her ass could use a nerf
>McCree
Fan the hammer needs more recoil so it's not piss easy to land 5/6 shots on even the smallest of targets
>Pharah
She needs to be able to move slightly faster in the air and while using rocket barrage
>Reaper
His teleport needs to either be sped up or to not telegraph where he's going to, and if he eats an enemy team member's soul after killing them then they shouldn't be able to respawm
>Tracer
Her blinks should allow her to move vertically as well, so you can gain height by aiming upwards.
>Hanzo
Arrows should do 1/2 damage
>Widowmaker
A sniper rifle shouldn't need to charge up, it was dumb in TF2 and it's dumb now. Remove her mine to balance it.
>Bastion
Fine, though I'd love a skin that gives him R2D2's voice
>Mei
Should be able to skate along ice she sprays to gain speed, but her Wall and Heal should also cost 40/30 ammo apiece
>Junkrat
Should be immune to explosive damage in general
>Torbjorn
Hammer should just be his melee instead of a seperate weapon
>Zarya
Shields should reflect beam or energy weapons
>Winston
Gun should be a beam weapon
>Roadhog
Hook needs 40% more range, right now its far too short.
>Reinhardt
Charge should deal recoil damage to him if he hits anything, shield should not allow enemies to walk through it
>D.Va
Should have no critbox, and her suit shouldn't have an auto-eject. If you don't get out yourself you should just die.
>Zenyatta
Needs all his regular HP replaced with armour so he can't get bodyshot by widow, and should be able to deploy as many orbs of harmony/discord simultaneously as he has ammo for his orb toss (20 at max) - but they get disabled if he reloads or dies, to balance it.
>Lucio
His buff songs should really be D&B or Ska instead of generic dubstep.
>Mercy
Remove her gun and melee, she's supposed to be a pacifist
>Symmetra
She should start having some form of fit from sensory overload if too much happens on screen at any point, like all her turrets firing at once.
Thoughts?
Her machinegun damage is too high, otherwise she's fine.
I feel like a Tracer should be able to take her out in a 1v1 comfortably. She can always escape to higher ground anyway.
>>339478993
>sniper class has no place in a team based arena shooter
>>339472201
>Hanzo gets picked way more in pubs, and is the easier version of widow to play
That doesn't make Hanzo a better character.
>>339479270
>Hanzo
>Arrows should do 1/2 damage
>Widowmaker
>A sniper rifle shouldn't need to charge up, it was dumb in TF2 and it's dumb now. Remove her mine to balance it.
>nerf the already useless 'sniper'
>make it so there's no charge on the sniper who can kill half the roster with a single body shot
Snipers ruin every game their in unless it's a dedicated sniper game like Sniper Elite or if the sniper is actually fun like the one with guided bullets in Bulletstorm
This is a fact
>>339478760
I bet they hang out
Widowmaker counter is another Widowmaker, u feel me?
I just kill her until I force player to switch. I assume this only works if you're good at aiming though.
Why is it everyday that a different Overwatch character is "OP"?
Is every single one of you shit or something? I don't even play a game and I've never seen this much whining.
>>339479270
>Reaper
>Widowmaker
>Bastion
>Mei
>ALL the supports
Cheers for the keks
>>339479008
I can see that. Lucio awards good movement and staying together as a team. Though it can be countered with aoe abilities like mei's blizzard, phara's rocket barrage, or McCree's high noon. Especially high noon.
>>339471570
I think they should bump Mei's health down to 200 and she would be completely okay. The whole point of her character is to be an ambusher to freeze an enemy before they can react and secure a free short-ranged kill against almost any class. But with 250 health, she can just run into a lot of classes face first and reach them before they can kill her, and it feels completely hopeless for most classes the moment her ice beam hits you.
The rest of her is fine IMO. Her being able to contest points in her invincible ice block form is kind of bullshit, being able to buy her team around 7 seconds to respawn with no possible way for the enemy team to stop her is kind of dumb. But even that's not really unbalanced, just counter-intuitive.
She just needs a smaller healthpool to encourage the kind of play she was designed for, just like Pharah has.
>>339479282
>I feel like a Tracer should be able to take her out in a 1v1 comfortably. She can always escape to higher ground anyway.
Absolutely, it makes no sense that the cunt can gun down or get away from literally anything that comes after her.
Really, blizz, if you are going to copy TF2 sniper and Scout, atleast realize what the fuck you are doing.
>>339479270
Here is your (you), you autistic bait-post faggot.
>>339470471
>There are obvious broken heroes like Mei, Bastion
>>339479569
No, it really can't, Lucio makes getting out of these abilities a breeze with his speed boost.
>>339472201
Hanzo has the same amount of skill as a lucksman sniper. None
>>339470471
Pick Pharah, fly to where she is and blow her to pieces
>>339474387
Bitch please, Roadhog will have that cowboy roped up and assblasted to the moon before he even gets in range to properly use his bullshit E trick.
>>339479772
And yet he is extremely effective, which is the problem.
>>339476098
>git gud with genji or winston
>I mean winston
>actually I mean two winstons
>>339478246
Mei is fucking OP tho. She can kill any other hero 1 v 1 and in team fights, she still destroys everything because she can freeze/slow multiple targets, split enemies via ice wall and just instantly save herself every few seconds with ice block
>>339479980
>you get stunned between the shot and the melee hit
>he takes down full hp roadhog instantly
>>339480041
Well, she's a disruptor. So being annoying makes sense.
But her not being able to get shot during healing is dumb. Her cube should have health or something. So you can actually do something about it.
And getting completely frozen should take just 1 or 2 seconds longer.
>>339480053
Also, the hook is too unreliable.
Enemies go all over the place. Seldom they actually land in front.
Lots of times they whizz past me, or go to the side of me. Which is fucking annoying, since the purpose of the hook is completely gone then.
>>339473394
I took notes, on the first two day there were threads about every chracater except Zenyatta and Zarya. They quickly followed though
>>339480208
Simply - it should not heal.
Theres no reason for it, its fucking insanity that she turns invulnerable and then comes out at 70% hp even if she had 1% left before.
ALL THE FUCKING GAMES THAT HAVE THIS FUCKING ABILITY THAT BLIZZ STOLE IT FROM DO NOT HEAL THE USER
>>339480053
That literally can't happen. His fan the hammer does 420 damage and cannot headshot. All melee is 50 damage. A full roadhog has 600 hp. You do the math.
>>339472201
>>339472201
he's like a sniper version of junkrat.
he is more of an area denial character. you keep a steady stream of arrows flying into choke points so it forces coordinated pushes, which you can dragon.PS fuck widowmaker. A good widowmaker is beyond infuriating. just literally taking out your back line while having nearly 0 risk. If you want to stop her, you need to send a winston or a reaper, who needs to sneak pask the front line, then get to her, and hope she doesnt notice, and grapple hook away. Either way your team is stuck with a 5v5 while the winston or reaper is trying to hunt them down.
>>339473394
Theres also a thread today about how winston is OP as well.
>>339480275
Roadhog is the only character I experience glitches with. That hook does some weird shit sometimes, and his ultimate makes the camera fly everywhere if you're hit in the wrong way
Why is Mei the cutest?
How much salt have you encountered when playing the game, /v/?
>>339480275
Yeah its insanity
>hook that bitch sniper in the tightest little LOS that you get hard how nicely you caught her
>cant even see where the fuck she ends up and literally get disoriented looking for her...
Not sure why would it be so hard for it to ignore clipping because that seems to be the issue.
>Mei
>Bastion
Fuck off retard. These characters are free kills with a half decent counter.
Mccree, Widow, and Lucio are the only characters that have no counters except each other. (though winston and reinhardt are widow's soft counters)
>>339470471
> Bastion
> OP
I'll never understand how you people even manage to breath without someone helping you do it. If you're really fucking shitty there's two heroes that will counter Bastion so hard it isn't funny, Genji and Warthog.
With Genji, cast a few starts to draw his attention, then deflect when he starts shooting at you.
With Warthog, hook him. and shoot him. You can not miss because he's fucking stationary.
There's probably more but those two are the ones that's easy enough to play that I use a controller to shit over Bastion players with while playing on PC.
>>339480436
An unimaginable amount.
Something about this game makes people fucking pissed
>>339479707
Well Pharah's, sure. But Mei's blizzard does such a massive slow, if you're not at the edge or have a dash ability, you're frozen, and McCree's high noon can instagib your squishes really fast, which includes lucio. Even with speed boost it's hard to escape those from a good player.
>>339480326
Oh so worst case scenario he only takes down an 470 damage instantly, and can reload instantly while moving away from me?
Also can it really not headshot?
I need a confirm on that.
Better make sure I never take any damage at all because then a mcree can instantly kill me...
So now the dust has settled and I have analayzed all the commends in this thread. Here is what needs to be changed to make Overwatch feel more balanced-
>HANZO
Reduce arrow damage, same headshot damage, reduce the dragon Ultimate hitbox
>WIDOWMAKER
Reduce damage of sniper, same headshot damage, give indicator to enemy team when she uses ult, remove mines from her kit
>GENJI
Reduce Shuriken base damage, reduce ultimate Sword damage, increase dash cooldown
>TRACER
Increase health to 200 from 150
>JUNKRAT
Increase grenade damage, Health increase from 200 to 250
>WINSTON
Increase laser beam damage
>DVA
Increase damage on her machine gun, remove mobility-penalty when attacking with the machine gun
>LUCIO
delete him from Overwatch
>MEI
Increase range on freeze gun
>Reinhardt
Decreased shield-capacity
>PHARAH
Increase direct body hit damage from 120 to 150, increase Ultimate damage
>McCree
Remove stun from hit altogether
>ROADHOG
Increase range on his shotgun
>>339470471
>Bastion,
oh u so funny anon
>>339470471
Yes.
Best Class in the game by a significant margin
>Insanely Fast Scope Charge time
>10 Shots in a clip, very spammable fire rate
>For Some reason she's a 200hp class
>Sniper rifle does not unzoom on shot
>Her aim isn't thrown off by shooting at her
>Other characters ults are canceled/wasted if they die, not her, that shit just goes even if she dies.
>Other characters ults have a call out, not her, and her's is arguably better than some kill move.
>Her Ult is arguably the best in the game, seeing as it has the potential to completely deny flanks and pushes. Wallhacks are no laughing matter.
>Reaper's teleport marker is visible to everyone, Yet she doesn't get a Laser sight to show where she's aiming.
>Mercy's self defense tool is a seperate weapon so she has to switch to it. Not her, both AR and Sniper rifle are the same gun so fuck weapon switch times.
>Her AR does about the same damage as S76's
>Has a good escape tool, can use it to easily escape D.vas who are supposed to be the "Anti Sniper"
>Has an Anti-Flank trap that, even when destroyed, tells her theres someone there
>The Game is already pretty slow, and 20 ticks per second doesn't count.
>The only counter to widowmaker is widowmaker
Anyone who could make do with TF2's sniper will completely destroy Overwatch, which is exactly what I've been playing her.
>>339480421
Yeah, shit is annoying.
>>339480613
Winston and Tracer are already the most used in koth and you want to INCREASE his damage and INCREASE her health?
Are you insane?
>>339480436
surprisingly, not a lot of salt.
Even in the face of some, bastion spamming and an attacking team with 4 snipers on it.
Anyone have that Mercy Cap hail hydra edit?
>>339480421
It's because the hook is hitscan, so the 20 tick rate becomes fucking obvious as shit whenever you're hit by it behind a wall.
Snipers generally ruin whatever game they are in. Why do devs persist so in making sure they are in their games?
I can not think of any situation where an infinite range instant kill is balanced
>>339480581
No, it's in fact really easy, you hear the Mei ult, you speed boost out before you even get slowed. You hear McCree ult, you have Reinhardt in your team so it doesn't do anything.
Saw a thread today on the OW forums where some hearing impared dude whines about not being able to hear ultimates coming and thus dying.
The sad part is that Blizzard will probably pander to this baby. I bet this guy is going to cut off his legs in the future and demand the olympic committe to allow him to win at sprinting.
>>339480601
You still have your gun.
NO ONE SHOULD BE NERFED, YOU'RE ALL FAGGOTS
IF I HAD A DOLLAR FOR EVERY TIME SOMEONE GOT KILLED BY SOMETHING AND DEMANDED A NERF, I'D OWN BLIZZARD AT THIS POINT
>But the pro players are picking....
>According to this chart....
>W-Wait a second, this hero lacks counters because....
>*Completely one-sided, theoretical situation as to why a character is so "uncounterable"
NO, I DON'T CARE. NO CHARTS, NO EXCUSES, NO DEFLECTION, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY: NO NERFS. TO ANYONE.
GIT.
GUD.
>>339480613
holy shit you are possibly the most autistic person ever
>>339480613
>>339480718
This, and
>nerf Genji past the point of uselessness
For what purpose?
>>339480613
You want stronger Junkrat, Winston, and Tracer? Have you ever played a game?
>>339480321
It would make Mei completely unplayable, I'm so glad none of you work on games.
>>339480801
Day of defeat
Lots of people confuse Over Powered with Frustrating as fuck.
You can get hit by a Hanzo pre-firing a corner and doing nothing fucking else, flick shots etc etc but he would never be called OP because its not reliable. Widow is a far better choice to reliably kill mother fuckers and thats why shes the choice for Comp.
Widow bodyshot damage is retarded in the first place and the fact she can instantly fire again and finish off nearly every character aside from a tank in the game is fucking stupid. Its so passive and no challenging that people flock to her in order to both willy wave kills and to not do very much thinking other than point and shoot.
I can understand the appeal and need for snipers but no one ever enjoys being sniper, its even worse when the sniper in question is fucking shit and gets by because of the strengths of the class more than actual skill.
Like Roadhog hook niggers thinking its some fucking leet play and they are not actually just feeding Ults the entire game.
>>339470471
>Mei
>Bastion
>Broken
GET
FUCKING
GOOD
I kinda agree on Mcree. But only kinda cause if you keep your distance and take cover when you hear the whistle then hes really not bad at all.
>>339480436
Two guys in one of my lobbies argued with one another and then threatened to meet up in NYC to fight. One of them said "kek" so I'm pretty sure it was one of you underaged faggots. I just kept making comments about how gay they were and how they should use protection if they met up.
>>339480986
the only bad thing about mccree is that his stun radius is a bit too large. If they nerfed that a bit, he would be fine imo
nerf everyone's damage while bugging everyone's health
only in an arena of damage sinks can trule skill be born
I really really wish there was a way to remove KOTH from map rotations because its brings out the absolute worst in players and heroes. Its pure stalling, delaying and pure spam. Its impossible to stay away from a McCree in KOTH because either you get on that point with your team or you fucking lose.
>>339480929
Also WIdow ult is really good in coordinated teams. Meanwhile Hanzo ult is nearly useless and becomes completely useless in competitive, since there is always a Lucio in every team.
Why no one talks about how broken Hanzo is? Instant kill E, Widowmaker's Ult on his Shift, Dragon ult with huge hitbox that can destroy the whole team, Arrow spamming from 9000 range that one-shots you.
Hanzo needs to be gutted asap.
>>339481023
agreed
it ignited a full two characters widths away from me and still got me
>>339480660
>Best Class in the game by a significant margin
Lucio exists
>>339481136
It's literally the most fun game mode with constant team fighting.
>stun removed
>high noon range nerfed
>high noon locks targets after 3 seconds in lock-on ra nge
>high noon will miss if targets move out of range
>fan the fucker now deals 80% less damage
FIXED
>>339470471
This is part of why I won't touch the game, other companies try to actually balance their games but Blizzard goes through cycles where they will actually let classes being crazy fucking OP, like Paladins during Wrath, never lifting a finger to adjust them.
I don't trust those fuckers, I think they do it intentionally.
>>339481269
No, you just made McCree unplayable.
Which is what all you whiny fuckers want because you can't be bothered to think for one second while playing. I'd be surprised if you can walk and chew gum at the same time.
>>339481213
Thats fine if its what your into but I much prefer the more objective based stuff and I would more than likely enjoy it more if it did something that disabled Ults in the mode. I guess its because it makes some classes completely pointless.
>>339471570
Tracer, Pharah. Both can easily get away from her
>>339481374
Whaaaaat? Blizz devs playing favorites with classes? That's unheard of! ;^)
>>339481404
>unplayable
good. bad design should mean unplayable, not overpowered beyond belief.
>>339480790
Being dragged though a wall is due to lag compensation, not tickrate
>>339470883
Winstons the fuckin man. I thought he as shit the first gam i played with him. Then i realized i just wasnt agressive enough.
>>339481492
Too bad it won't happen and I'll continue to stomp your stupid ass with McCree.
He's not broken, you're bad. End of discussion.
>>339481560
>he's not broken
top kek
>>339476274
The bowman has a sonic arrow that gives wallhacks in a small radius around the arrow's target, you can tag someone with it or shoot it at a choke to monitor it, it also has a 20 sec cooldown so it's not as useful as the infra sight.
>>339481404
Left Click PRIMARY fire is still perfectly fine. Genji was in the same situation and Blizzard found a way to mitigate his over-whelming ability to rape entire teams.
Everything he has right now is fine apart from the amount of damage and how easy it is to land all of the Fan hits. I do think High Noon is a bit shit with being able to move and being able to cash it out early, no one else gets to do that shit. Then again lots of the Ults are broken stupid shit its just what they are.
The best nerf for Widowmaker is to make Winston's gun do slightly more damage. You can kill WM's as Winston, you just have to chase them all over the fucking place.
>>339481617
And Bastion is broken.
And Mei is broken.
And Widowmaker is broken.
And Hanzo is broken.
And Tracer is broken.
And Lucio is broken.
Guess what? McCree is /v/'s pet problem. No one else minds him much. Everywhere you go and whomever you talk to, everyone has a problem with a different character being "broken". The truth is that the Overwatch playerbase is just one of the shittiest playerbases known to man and they think that if it can kill them, it needs a nerf. Bottom line.
Your perpetual salt only makes you look even worse. Look to your own faults and fix that, instead of wanting heroes broken down beyond playability.
>>339481745
Yeah because Winston isn't super strong already.
>>339481560
*press e*
*press m2*
im good at game
>>339481745
>make Winston's gun do slightly more damage
Fuck off
>>339481848
>McCree is /v/'s pet problem
Yeah because 4 McCree in every game in competitive play is totally only "/v/'s pet problem".
>>339470471
She's probably weak or average on consoles but OP on PC due to the differences between gamepad and keyboard and mouse
>>339481848
>No one else minds him much. Everywhere you go and whomever you talk to, everyone has a problem with a different character being "broken".
No, absolutely everywhere it's McCree, Widow, Lucio.
>>339481208
Lucio is great but he has low kill potential outside of environmental kills, which are hard to come by against better players because they know exactly what that cheeky fuck is going to try to do.
He does, however, have insane maneuverability and survivability.
>>339480893
You mean you are so glad they make casual shitter heros for casual shitters like you who could never manage anything without having a the ability to escape all danger AND heal a lot at any point in time.
Shitter.
>>339481982
McCree isn't the meta and neither is Lucio, the setup stack that comp players have is what makes it meta.
Pub level is nothing like that and you're drawing up false parallels. If a team has one McCree and one or NO Lucios, your argument falls apart. Especially if you play McCree the way he's meant to be played.
>See enemy has widowmaker
>Pick genji
>Body her entire game
Always makes me chuckle.
>>339481181
I always felt Hanzo's ult was one of the more avoidable ones. It doesn't move very fast and you can hear him yelling like an idiot right before he casts it. It can rack up a lot of kills but, I usually only see it kill, if anyone, 1 or 2 people.
>>339481848
Players have been complaining to Blizzard about McCree's damage output and how automated it is since the beta began. Hes had one change to my knowledge with gave him damage drop off over range. He is in every single comp team, he is in most pub games I play.
>>339472920
That shits near impossible with a controller. Fuck my aim sucks with a ps4 controller and i dont wanna spend $200 on some fag contraption to use kbm
>>339481881
>He hasn't rebinded the flashbang
That's a mistake son, what if you're going right and need to stun something fast? You have to remove your finger off D and then press E, very slow reaction time, fix this.
>>339482014
He doesn't need kill potential, killing is not his primary objective. But Lucio is entirely too tanky and mobile for what he does. It is absolute bullshit that he has 200 HP while Zenyatta is stuck with 150.
>>339481857
He's strong when he's doing a specific job, leaping into the back ranks and surprising the enemies.
As a front rank tank, Reinhart is better in every way.
>>339470471
Neither mei nor bastion are broken, shitter. Fucking die.
>>339481848
>Bastion
He's not. 90% of the time he's worthless and 10% of the time he's pretty good. He's a shit hero with extremely limited usefulness.
>Mei
She's annoying. Often to both enemies and teammates alike. She's not gamebreaking though, but she could probably use a slight nerf to some of her stuff.
>Widowmaker
She's the strongest character in the game in the right hands with the ability to shut down entire teams and even her supposed "counters" often have trouble dealing with her.
>Hanzo
He's not broken as a character by design, his arrow hitboxes are just fucking stupidly huge.
>Tracer
She's not broken, she has a pretty high skill ceiling though.
>Lucio
A good lucio player is nearly unkillable and can contest points vs entire teams for long times. He can't kill people very easily but holy shit is he hard to kill in the right hands. His wall running probably needs to be nerfed a bit.
>>339482097
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, I'm talking about McCree being OP, if you're saying that pro players always using him means nothing to how good he is, I just don't know what to tell you.
>>339482152
Zen can outright murder anything. Attempting to Duel anyone with Lucio is a test of patience and boredom as you niggle them down very very slowly.
>>339471148
>Reinhardt is a great choice against a Widow, but it relies entirely on your team's ability to do things while they're behind your shield.
This is a team based shooter. If your team can't figure out how to kill a sniper while they are behind an impenetrable one-way shield, your team deserves to be crushed by said sniper, and your team deserves to lose. That's how the game works.
If you're playing with pubs who can't figure this out, leave or switch to widow and countersnipe her until she leaves or changes. Or switch to one of her other counters or something.
>>339482120
Nice lies.
I was in the closed alpha for months and i checked the forums a lot and there was very little complaints about McCree. There was a few posts or threads here and there, but that also happened for over half the cast, was just shitters complaining about people being better than them.
If anything there was actually a lot more posts about McCree needing a buff on his combat roll than needing a nerf on anything else. McCree was actually one of the few characters that the majority of the alpha playerbase agreed was one of the most balanced after the damage fall off patch.
>>339482221
Yes, he's strong when he's doing what he's suppose to do, of course he's not a very good healer.
>>339481181
The only thing that needs to be fixed about Hanzo are hitboxes
>>339482428
Zenyatta is also immobile as hell and provides significantly less utility than Lucio does. Zen's kit wants him to be in the fray but he is entirely too squishy for it.
>>339470471
>Bastion
Bastion is fucking crap as soon as you don't play against shitters. Too easily avoidable and counterable. He slaughters everything low level because people there literally don't know how to play.
I actually played him at low level but stopped when I started getting levels because he's useless against people with a brain.
>>339470664
Lol all you have to do to nullify a sniper is los them. There you go you win. If you can't los her than she's probably doing her job defending the point in which case you'd have to fight her anyway.
>>339482473
>closed alpha
Well I guess at least you made it obvious you were lying.
>>339482405
I'm saying he's good in that SETUP, mongoloid.
The SETUP is overpowered, not him.
If you're not using the SETUP, like for instance if you're playing in pubs, then what you said has ZERO impact on the game and how it plays and who can counter a McCree or even a Lucio.
Try reading comprehension next time and understand the context of your own argument before you throw it out there. But you're probably so used to regurgitating it without counter that you're having trouble functioning right now.
>>339481181
Because Hanzo is trash
>>339471693
Yes she can. She can toss a mine on you that you can't dodge because it arms instantly at close range and her assault rifle does the same damage as Soldier 76s assault rifle for some reason.
Why are so few heroes used in comp? I knew it was going to happen and it makes me sad.
>>339481848
I completely agree with you. /v/ and normies are just shit at the game. All you see is people saying "this character is OP, no this character is OP, actually these characters are all OP". It's fucking pathetic. None of the characters are really overpowered, some of them are really annoying and obnoxious like Bastion, Tjorbon, or Junkrat, but nobody is really OP.
If anyone needs any changes i would say D.Va needs a slight buff to her survivability due to her mech's headshot box being so retarded. Zenyatta either needs the nerf on harmony orb adjusted/changed so that it heals based off distance not line of sight, or increase his health to 200. Reaper needs his health nerfed to 200.
That's pretty much it.
>>339482473
>closed alpha
>only clueless blizzcucks allowed to play
Explain why they don't know shit about video games.
>>339471767
She kills any non tank hero in the game by hitting a body shot and then spamming m1 with her semi automatic sniper rifle until she blunders into a second 0% charge body shot. Assuming that first body shot wasn't accidentally a head shot courtesy of the netcode.
>>339477939
Too bad she can't one shot every class in the game like a TF2 sniper can. Which is more annoying, getting pop-up oneshotted on every class or forcing the sniper to stay exposed for 2 or more shots so you actually have a chance? Not to mention when she kills you you know exactly where she killed you from.
Even if she was an exact copy of the TF2 sniper, people would still be bitching because people always bitch about snipers.
I just fucking wished the entire concept of the sniper was removed from FPS games.
The railgun in Q3 was fine because you could move at 100mph in that game and plentiful health + armour pickups meant the 100 damage wasn't that much of an issue.
>>339482480
>he's strong when he's doing what he's suppose to do,
He's in the tank category as though what he was supposed to do was tank.
Both he and roadhog are better at ambushing than tanking, and neither are better than Reinhart at it.
Mei's ice wall needs a larger cooldown.
Widowmaker's rifle needs a lower fire-rate.
McCree's stun needs to be on contact only.
Bastion isn't broken.
Does anyone else think Pharah could use 50 more health? Or a less RNG-dependent ultimate?
>>339482595
Are you trying to be funny or are just stupid or something? The game was in 'alpha' for months, it was pretty much a beta but blizzard kept it titled as an alpha until they did the open beta weekends.
>>339482770
Nah Bastion needs to be nerfed as well. Sure he isn't used that much but in the situations where he's actually good he's way too strong.
What the game needs is for something to effect what happens when you come under fire, like if I get a drop on a McCree at medium range as a Soldier, I put him under continuous fire, through the head and hit him with rockets, he should never be able to turn around right click once and fucking kill me. Not even using the Flashbang its just pure Right Mouse spam. Most of them don't even attempt to try and land headshots.
>>339482805
Even the shittiest players i came across in the alpha were better players than the average person i run into in current games.
>>339482610
But you're completely wrong and none of what you're saying make sense, the "setup" doesn't make him good, the pro "setup" has changed since the start of beta, it even changes depending on game modes, the only thing that doesn't change is the McCree and the Lucio, which are always there. The only time McCree isn't used is in the 2 tracers, 2 lucios, 2 Winston setup, but they now changed the 2 tracers to 2 mccrees, because turns out McCree is OP as fuck in any setup.
And even if you were right, and McCree only works in pro plays for some reason even though I see him in pubs every game, you should absolutely balance a game based on competitive plays, not some scrubs playing for fun.
>>339480326
I've been hooked as Mcree and pulled the combo off before roadhog could do anything.
Hooked > flash > fan > roll>fan
Roadhog ded.
>>339478414
>three body shots for a sniper to kill tracer and Zenyatta
>Zenyatta can kill her in two from the same range
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>339482770
>Zenyatta either needs the nerf on harmony orb adjusted/changed so that it heals based off distance not line of sight
I was playing Zeny earlier and I figured he'd be a much stronger character if his harmony orbs could be sent to any player regardless of position on the map.
It's not like the orbs are super powerful to begin with, and letting him shoot them through walls means he could stick to side routes more often.
>>339481848
This post is stupid. Overwatch has been crawling through a ridiculous powercreep ever since the early stages of its beta.
The game doesn't try to be balanced. It tries to make you feel like you're fucking cool and great by making a roster of heroes able to collect kills with almost no effort.
>>339482905
It was never in alpha, except maybe internally, it was always called a closed beta, nobody has ever called it an alpha, Blizzard never called it an alpha, if you were there, you would know.
>>339482749
Its reliable damage basically. You need to be able to know that you can consistently kill people when you need to. So instead of the delaying and stalling classes and have all of the kill classes instead.
The easiest way to push the cart and take points is to just kill the other team. It got to the stage where people were building entire teams around enabling the assassin classes and making them stupid powerful, making the floating member of the team play Symmetra for her shield when they used to be 50, permanent Zen orbs etc etc.
The cancer comp scene is one of the things Blizz has used to balance the game.
>>339482978
sure senpai.
>>339470471
>Mei
Mei is one of the worst heroes in the game, countered at all ranges by some of the most common and powerful picks. Not only does she lose 1 on 1 to a ton of heroes she becomes 100% useless if there's a Zarya on the enemy team.
>Bastion
Also terrible. I've lost count of the number of bastion/torb/reinhardt combos I've solo'd down from a distance with Widowmaker. It's fucking cake.
>McCree
He's genuinely good, but not broken. Back when his single-shot damage was higher he was broken because in addition to being a mid-range monster he could also snipe.
>Widowmaker
Her mechanics work fine on console but on PC they're just too strong. You basically have to dedicate at least two or more members of your team to countering her because having a quick-fire quick-charge semi-auto headshot machine on a platform with fine-grain aiming doesn't really work out.
Still, the fact that you can have Winston/D.Va/Genji on your team to harass and destroy her does mitigate how ridiculous her gun is.
>>339482887
Fuck no Pharah is a fucking pain to deal with as it is, you need a competent Sniper or Soldier because its a real fucking pain to try and hit her in the air with anything else.
>Snipers have TWO HUNDRED(200) HP
What the fuck is this
>>339483079
You realize Widowmaker can one-shot Zenyatta with a body shot, right?
>Pharah is by far the most vulnerable offense class in the entire game
>better give her the same health as a widowmaker
Why? Her ult is fucking worthless because if there's no 10/10 setup by an ally Zarya/Mei/Reinhardt, the enemy widowmaker/soldier/mccree/hanzo will two-shot her immediately.
>>339483345
>he could also snipe.
He can still snipe why is /v/ so fucking shit?
>>339470471
anyones wants to giveaway Overwatch ?
>>339483350
McCree and even Genji can absolutely destroy a Pharah.
Her ability to fly is awful against any competent team, it's better to just play her by peaking rockets from corners and using her abilities defensively.
>>339483368
>Widowmaker has close range dps on par with offense class heroes
thanks blizzard
>>339483454
>he can still snipe
30 damage a shot at long range is garbage, anon, get closer. You're wasting your time.
>>339483127
That would be a little too strong. Originally both his orbs could just be thrown on players and it would stay until he put them on someone else. That was mostly fine, but a lot of people didn't like getting bullied with discord orb, which is a fair complaint. Harmony also became a bit of a problem cause if you threw a harmony on a good Genji or Tracer and left it on them they'll basically be unkillable, which was also really dumb. A lot of people suggested making harmony heal based on distance to Zenyatta because it made the most sense, and maybe make discord fall off after a certain amount of time.
Blizzard instead decided to just make both orbs fall off the moment someone leaves your line of sight which basically killed the character. He's been shit ever since and not really worth picking ever, which is a shame because he was by far the most fun healer to play.
>>339483575
The McCrees are face fucking people to Right Click them to death and the Genjis are trying to replicate Le Epic Seagull plays and dying over and over and over.
Also dancing about in front of a turret being fixed holding down E.
Also trying to hit Left Clicks in close range.
Also never using Right Click.
Pub Genjis are fucking terrible.
>>339483654
30 damage on an accurate, hitscan weapon with a decent rate of fire isn't bad at all when you're trying to get from one place to another.
>>339470471
>be d.va
>fly to where she is
>she's fucking dead in 3 seconds
no buff needed
>>339472719
Yes exactly, people need to fuck off with their whining and improve.
>>339470883
Yea Pleb's don't realize you can switch a character anytime you die , but they want to be the one character they chose and only that instead of helping the team.
>>339470471
Like stated in the other thread, if you're thinking that any character can't be outplayed in any fucking way then you have to play more than just one character. And no, anything below 200 rounds has no right in debating here. Git gud first.
>inb4 muh muh COMPETETIVE
>inb4 no idea
>inb4 mccree main
>>339483575
>Genji can absolutely destroy a Pharah.
>hear Genji ult
>fly high as fuck in the air
>Genji just unsheathes his meme at me from the ground
>turns and hits me mid-air
>uses his second jump to hit me again
>die in less than two seconds
fuckin EPIC i lOVE JAPENASE CULTURE
>>339483689
Zen got the nerf thanks again to Comp play taking two of him and putting an Orb on a Genji and an Orb on a Tracer and letting them going fucking wild. Then throwing out perma-Discords.
Its why Winston got his shield nerfed becuase multi-Winstons strats.
Blizzard has been answering the worst that the comp has to offer by killing characters one at a time. Too many teams were taking Symmetra's in comp after they killed off Zen, better ruin her shields. Don't want people to actually use poo in loo.
Then there's "Anything she can do, everyone else can do better" Zarya.
being a blizzard fan is all about buying their games, crying about how everyone else is better than you, and then calling for nerfs on each class you had trouble against
>>339483934
Maybe people just get really fucking tired of having to choose the same fucking class every single fucking game just to counter the Widow that is always ALWAYS on the other team.
Maybe you do want to just play something you enjoy for once. Too fucking bad HERE PUB FUCK YOU.
>>339483994
Literally every single problem that has arisen has been because of character stacking. If faggots couldn't stack characters almost none of this shit would have happened in the first place.
>>339483850
>This is what D.Va's actually believe
Why don't you fly directly at me as a Junkrat again D.va it always seems to work out so well for you.
I literally know nothing about Overwatch, but let me guess: she's the Overwatch version of vanilla Pyro, using strategies that experts can handle easily but beginner players call "cheap". She'll then be nerfed to appease the legions of newb players until she's completely outclassed in most roles.
Am I close?
>>339483994
Slowly nerfing the shit out of everything seems good to me, every hero is fucking stupidly strong anyway. This game is just about making tasteless individual plays.
Hell, unless you were at absolute point-blank range as a scout in TF2, you weren't going to two-hit a sniper. Meanwhile McCree can stun, fan, roll, fan and kill anything he fucking desires in seconds.
>>339470471
>Literally the only hero that requires aiming in FPS game.
Of course casuals re mad.
>>339484058
>all those spelling errors and grammatical mistakes
>shilling the dead Final Fantasy MMO
Why is /v/ so fucking gay
>>339479110
FUCK OFF APOLOGIST FAGTARD
>>339484184
Bang the fuck on.
>>339484184
You just described Bastion, not Widowmaker.
Widowmaker is just a sniper, that's all. People don't like being sniped.
>>339484127
Character stacking was never a problem in normal play for solo and small group play in the closed betas, sure some classes like McCree were choose way more than other like Symmetra but overall its was nice and even.
Comp is what fucked everything, it brings out the worst in the players and the worst in the game and when that game is Overwatch thats some amount of bullshit.
>>339484184
I'd say this is bastion.
Widowmaker is actually better than most of the classes, I cant justify playing hanzo because of her.
Same with Lucio to Mercy or Zenyatta.
>>339484485
>le muh competitive kills the game
kys you casual fuck.
>>339484169
We're not talking about junkrat here. I'l talking about widowmaker
she's easy to take care of as d.va if you know where she is.
>>339470471
>Mein
>Bastion
>McCree
>"Broken"
How does it feel to be shit, OP?
Only issue with widow is that she has no pause time between shots, unlike the sniper in tf2 who has to re-chamber a bullet after every shot.
Miss a shot in tf2? You fucked up, now you need to unscope, pause, rescope, and shoot again. You're penalized for missing, and the other player is rewarded for moving unpredictably.
Miss a shot as widow? Who cares, you can instantly refire another one, and you aren't penalized.
Hit a shot and they live? Doesn't matter, just keep firing those meaty uncharged body shots as quickly as you want.
On a side note, her SMG is also only slightly worse than S76's assault rifle.
Give her a gap between each shot and she's perfect.
>>339484646
It's a casual game, shiteater. Comp meta is always cancer.
You probably play Smash competitively too, poor thing.
>>339473394
Bastion being "OP" was just a reactionary outcry because he melts people instantly once he has line of sight, and the fact that he's the most braindead noob magnet hero to play. It's been made much clearer now as the first week has passed that Bastion is actually heavily countered by a ton of things.
Mcree is the only character I'd really say needs a nerf.
>>339484764
How to spot the shitter why not play some facebook trash game if you want to have fun?
>>339484646
Is specially fun, because listening to pubbies is what makes games boring and kill them.
>>339474114
If it's Goldeneye you're fond of, then this game with some fullscreen autoaim weapons is right up your alley.
>>339472729
good
I feel like the game is pretty well balanced as is, I worry that this is people mistaking a counter character for being "OP". I worry that is Blizzard listen to the bitching and "fixes" character we are going to end up with an endless loop of lopsided updates making some characters not even worth playing anymore.
>Make a sniper with the typical "click heads to win"
>Make charged bodyshots still deal big enough damage that two of them kills every non-tank character in the game
>Charge time is short as shit
>No bolt, stay zoomed between shots
>Aim doesn't bounce when hit
>Average health
>Decent in close quarters
>okay mobility on a long-ish cooldown
There's a million opportunities for a weakpoint here, either make her a wet tissue in close quarters or fuck with the consecutive bodyshots
>>339470984
>A literally bottom tier character needs nerfs
Spot the pubshitter.
>>339485126
What's the picture from
>>339479632
>I think they should bump Mei's health down to 200 and she would be completely okay.
Fuck no. She's already tiered with Zenyatta at the bottom, she doesn't need nerfs in any way.
What needs to be done is people stop being fucking shit at the game, because she is easy as fuck to kill.
>>339485126
>Aim doesn't bounce when hit.
This is good. Artificial cross hair movement for the sake of stimulating kick is bad game design
Have you noticed that you get killed in one hit by her a lot?
80% of the time, it was a bodyshot.
>>339470471
>There are obvious broken heroes like Mei, Bastion
GIT GUD
>>339475367
>>Level 6, 2,5 hour played
What the fuck
>>339485361
>Go to kill cam
>5 shots of her misisng before she just starts machine gun clicking
I'm fine with Widow, anyone whose ever killed me with her clearly had downs
>>339476030
>Try playing mei against experienced premades
No amount of premade will make Mei anything less of an easily countered, F tier character.
GET
GOOD
>>339485516
Mei isn't broken but she is the antithesis of fun. Nothing is more angering than being frozen in place and watching her kill you.
>shitter team plays hanzo and widowmaker
>get outsniped by enemy widowmaker in the opening plays
>instant hero swap and turtle up in a corner somewhere
>lol good luck defending yourselves from the sniper!
Yeah thanks guys.
>>339485652
There's a really simple solution to that, kill her before she freezes you. You should be happy you can even fight back against her, unlike McREEEEEEEEEEE.
>>339470471
>bastion and mei are broken
How to spot a shitty pub player
>>339475717
>to truly show how fucking busted Widow is you need to have high skill.
Fuck no. This games head hitboxes are like Goldeneye on Big Head mode.
>>339480613
>give indicator to enemy team when she uses ult
See the thing about that is that she DOES have an indicator when she starts speaking frog but it's so fucking quiet compared to other people's ult chants you hardly ever notice it.
>>339485652
>Piggu and mcree stun you
>Bam you're dead
>Mei stuns you
>That 4 fucking seconds her standing perfectly still and lining up a headshot
>>339470753
Well it's not like they have families or friends or any ambitions other than playing the next big blizzard game, so what did you expect?
>>339485652
>Nothing is more angering than being frozen in place
And you are god awful at the game if that happened in the first place. ANYONE can kill her with ease by standing back 4 meters.
Mcree, Roadhog and Soldier are the only characters that need nerfs.
>>339471570
McCree
Stun
Fan
I think the issue here is that this game is "supposed" to be some sort of rock paper scissors match.
It has pathetically easy hard counters, but then it also made classes like Mcree and Widowmaker who have no direct hard Counter.
Mcree wins vs anyone in a 1v1 fight.
Widowmaker only loses to a better widowmaker.
It goes against the design of this game.
>>339479323
snipers encourage solo play and camping. that is not how you properly interact with a team.
>>339480436
I just got 3 medals in a game as D.va. Damage done, eliminations, and objective eliminations. Got POTG as well, even though we lost overall.
Had teammates continue bitching about me in all-chat that I wasn't a good enough tank.
>Go lucio
>speedboost past her line of sight
>climb up wall to her
>blast her back and kill her
never cum harder desunerf lucio his mobility is honestly fucking insane
>>339485871
Widowmaker loses to mobility. Getting a Reaper to teleport behind her and unzip his shotgun shuts her down. As does having a grape ape slap her with his monkey dick
Also Roadhog shuts down John Marston if you can get headshots during the stun
>Enemies take a Winston and a Genji to counter our Widowmaker
>mfw
>Win the game
>Salt factories on the other team trying to find ways to call you bad while not emphasizing they still lost to you
>t-terrible ult usage
>stack m-more offensive heros you fags
>We w-would have won if I didn't have a retarded team
I fucking love this game
>>339485793
>she does this while your crosshair is like 2 pixels away from her head
Shit's infuriating.
>Widowmaker apologists
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You either play her, and think you're good for playing the strongest thing
or
You are a shitter, and have not encountered her in the hands of a really good player
To deal with her, you must take measures beyond those you would take to deal with anyone other individual hero -- that's the problem, pathetic apologist faggots.
>>339485918
>go in and out farming damage and kills all game
>do nothing about objectives
>your team is in a 5 vs 6 match
Again, D.Va only counters her teams chance to win, lol.
>>339485908
Yeah because no one ever uses widow to help cover teammates capping a point>>339485935
>>339470471
Why are you idiots even discussing that? Blizzard can't even balance a children's card game. It even has bugs.
>>339486260
>Do nothing about objectives
>Gold medal for objective kills
>>339472418
you don't even need to charge it again if you already hit them with a fully charged body shot. just instantly click again and they're dead.
Bastion is useless if you know how to play. He has 7 counters.
>>339486260
>My team fights at the enemy door like an idiot
>D.va soars over them and back caps us
>Second obective is down within 20 seconds.
She counters new players pretty hard
>>339485871
>Widowmaker only loses to a better widowmaker.
Monkey trouble shuts her down hard even if shes a good sniper.
All high noon needs is reduced damage at long ranges on his LMB and hes perfect, his concept of being a corner flanker with loud foot steps who punishes shitters who run off alone or don't pay attention to their flanks is good but giving him a sniper-tier LMB goes against the character's design.
>>339486254
I should emphasize that there is skill bracketing in this gamehard to believe sometimesand if you don't routinely see Widowmakers shutting down teams/forcing multi hero and strategy swaps (****to deal with a single player!****) YOU are a bad player who plays with other bad players.
>>339486051
No.
Reapers teleport is visible to everyone, thats a free headshot to wallhacks widow.
>>339486051
She does just as well against reaper as 76 does, which is moderately, and she has 2 abilities to notify her if your coming, and a 3rd to get away.
Winston is the only reliable way to deal with her, but odds are all you do is get her out of position for a while.
>>339485652
Alright I'm convinced lucio counters every single hero now.
>Mei runs up and tries to freeze you
>blast her and either run away with speed boost or kill her with dank headshot damage which does a fuckload
>>339472273
Genji's melee damage needs to be higher than other heroes. The slice's cooldown should be like 5 seconds, not 8, and should do maybe 10 more damage.
>>339473579
lol are you serious? he's the most dangerous character in the game next to widowmaker. his burst dps is so fucking insane that he's picked on every fucking pro team at least once over 100% of the time. did you watch any of the streams today? many teams had multiple mccrees in the same match. if literally almost half the roster gets filled with the same hero, there's a fucking problem with his design and/or tuning.
>hurrrr tracer should be able to beat widowmaker
>lost to her in the clanked video
>couldn't do shit until pixar boy doomfisted her
Tracer a shit
>>339473860
i've noticed lately that every mccree i play against is some faggot who just chills in a room waiting for people to walk in so he can stun/fan them to death, or he waits on the roof taking pot shots until his high noon is ready.
>>339471497
this
>>339486107
Isn't that every only game after 2005?
>>339486317
>camp objectives
>don't push/cap
>lose
>bitch about the team
Ok.
>>339486384
Yeah, guess she's good if the enemy team is so bad they'll lose a 6 vs 5, lel.
>>339472773
>Try to run up wall
>Still slow
>One of three things happens
>Whoops this wall's roof can't be landed on. Hope you can make the jump over it or you get plopped down right next to THICC and it's over.
>Whoops the wallrunning mechanic decided not to work. Frozen.
>Wow, you actually managed to esca- oops, Pharah/widowmaker just shot you and since you weren't at full health, you died
>>339470664
Winston is a hard counter to Widow and can fuck up even stacked widows by himself.
Learn to switch classes, scrublord
>>339473394
Lucio, McCree and Widow ARE OP though.
Especially Lucio
>>339486684
>Isn't that every only game after 2005?
I don't know, man. This game has very noticeably higher salt than most games I've played in years.
>>339486684
>Drop onto KOTH point
>Just wait there
>Half the enemy team comes to me
>Half the enemy team keeps fighting
>Pincer
>Win
Nah
>>339473694
Nothing wrong with that, it's got a large animation that plays out before you're actually pulled and rather than fuck over Hog for playing right Blizz opted to have you fly through walls.
>>339486749
Pretty much these 3 need their nerfs, Widow pretty much doesn't need to exist. Mcree's flash bang is really the most outrageous thing in the game right now. Lucio is just broken in pretty much every aspect.
>>339486757
That's because OW is full to the rim with MMORPG and ASSFAGGOTS scum.
>>339486801
>>Drop onto KOTH point
>>Just wait there
>>Half the enemy team comes to me
>>Half the enemy team keeps fighting
>>Pincer
Then, according to your own post:
>we lost overall
>>339486646
>get killed by McREEE
>kill cam
>he spends the first 4 seconds of it standing still
>hears my footsteps
>pocket sand + fan
I refused to play him for a while because of this scum shit, but then I tried him out and had fun wrecking. I make sure to throw in some self deprecation, and let everyone know that I'm about to announce the time. Once a game I make sure to camp a corner like a faggot and spray Well Played.
>>339473394
You missed roadhog
>>339471497
i literally avoid every person who clearly mains widow. it's just not worth my time dealing with that kind of shit.
Her rifle charges too fast and does too much damage at low% charge.
Every widowmaker, after making one initial hit, just starts spamming for the kill because they know even a 20% charge does a good chunk of damage.
>>339473694
A surprising amount of problems with McCree can be solved by simply making his roll not reload his gun.
It makes him less capable of double killing
It punishes him for missing a fan
It stops him from being able to double fan medium health enemies who are 50m away
It's the one change you can make to McCree to fix him while also not drastically modifying his kit and changing his overall play style.
How do I git gud at Genji, guys? I've been doublejumping and wallrunning like a maniac and trying to only use the dash as an escape or a finisher, but I'm still just not getting results.
>>339487159
l2aim
>>339470664
>play as D.Va
>see a Widowmaker
>thrust up to her and shoot her
Either she freaks out and runs away or dies.
>>339486747
Not really seeing it.
She'll just grapple away and shoot you while she's out of the lightning gun range.
Nice try monkey faggot.
>>339487267
*Head shots you while charging*
>But muh APM
*grapples away when you land then headshots you while you shoot her from a distance with shotguns*
>>339487234
>l2aim
>While bouncing around wildly to avoid getting my 200hp ass shredded
>With a projectile that has really slow travel time and has an obscene amount of time between bursts
>>339486051
>Widowmaker loses to mobility.
No, mobility loses to range.
With the narrow chokepoint design of every map, Widow will see every hero coming whether or not she has Infrasight up.
The only one to possibly run her down before she guns them down is Winston.
>>339475496
How would him brushing your teeth solve his shit taste?
Do you have an oral fixation?
>>339487267
>play as D.Va
>get headshotted
kek
>>339487275
Grapple takes what, 12 seconds to recharge?
Leap takes 5
Retard here. Here's how I would nerf/buff the characters.
>Mei
Slightly longer cooldown on invuln, ice spike (m2) has a damage falloff and travels in a slight arc akin to tjornborn.
>Her m1 and ulti don't practically root you, but grow up from 5% slow to 95% in a span of 2-3 seconds before stunning you.
>Widowmaker.
Her mobility is a big ass problem. Make the rappel vertical only, or nerf the horizontal range. Make her rifle sway hard if taking damage.
Oh, and make her shout "WALLHACKS UP" like how every other ult is announced, globally.
>Mercy.
Increase the ulti recharge rate. Give her ulti a fast animation (as fast as it visually is now, so 0,5sec?)
>Junkrat
Slow the ulti recharge rate from shields, make his reload animation slightly slower. Give riptire +50 hp.
>Winston.
I'd make his armor portion 75% armor, 25% shields. Increase the bubble's hp slightly, but compensate with shorter duration.
>Bastion.
Bigger spread, slight windup. Buff his recon mode's damage slightly.
>Lucio.
Bigger hitbox, healing aura range is smaller, and E heal aura builds up to the maximum healing after two seconds, but stays on longer. The healing stays the same during E.
>Pharah.
Rockets slightly slower, increase their splash lightly.
During her ult she gains +50 armor.
>D.Va
Critbox smaller, increase her MEKA's shotgun range slightly, or increase the damage slightly.
Her E,s effective range increased. If an enemy is inside your E's visual range, you block the damage.
>Revolverman of many stuns.
Increase flashbang cooldown, decrease the radius. Now disorients instead of stuns (escapes usable during the stun).
>Ryuga waka tegi go fuvk yourself bowan.
Fix hitboxes.
>Tobblerone
PotG now focuses on his turret if it kills things. Make his turret shoot slightly faster, have damage falloff and lower accuracy.
>Servers
Increase tickrate.
Rate/call me an idiot.
>>339485601
you must not have high enough MMR to get matched with TF2 vet snipers. a good widowmaker can absolutely ruin your day and dictate the course of the game.
>>339487372
Yes.
>>339487406
You just used yours, its on CD
She used hers probably like 50 seconds ago.
>>339485804
>mei comes up behind
>by the time you turn around to react, line up your crosshairs, and fire any amount of shots to put a dent in her fucking 250 hp, you're already frozen
her time to freeze is absurd. it's like 1.5 seconds or something.
How long until they start adding new characters? Maybe some of these characters like Widow and McCree can be balanced out if characters like Sombra or Soundquake come out as hard counters to them.
She's very strong in every area, even if I get up close to her then there's a good chance she'll kill me because for some reason her close combat option is extremely good too.
That and there's a chance I'll get instagibbed going round a corner all match because I've got pretty much no way of knowing that she ulted until I die to it once.
>>339485043
mmm no, widowmaker is very definitely broken. anyone with a fairly decent sense of aim can fucking dominate other players from an extremely safe distance. she's a very low risk/high reward character. that is literally the definition of imbalanced.
>>339487421
What about ebin warframe ninja
>>339485793
its like a god damn built in taunt.
every fucking kill cam, looking at her stupid face smiling while spraying you, then slowly, slowly raising the gun to your head. *CHINK* dead.
>>339487553
so she zooms away, you drop shield or sit in the one you already planted, then leap after her. Dead widow.
Winston is a very strong counter to widow and unless her team helps her there's no reason she should beat you.
>>339487625
250 HP isn't a huge amount when she has no mobility and no armour. Pretty much anyone that isn't Genji, Bastion, Torb and the supports should have a good chance of killing/escaping her, even when she gets the jump on them.
>>339482950
he needs a rework, not a nerf. he's literally only good for his sentry mode. that is so fucking boring i don't know how anyone can justify that as fun in their mind.
>mfw this entire thread
lrn2electricboogaloo
>>339487998
>Bastion is only good in turret mode
shitter spotted
His rifle is just like soldier 76's
>>339488108
With less ammo if I remember correctly
>>339488024
the thing is, you need to consider competitive. in pubs this is fine, but a lot of competitive is hardcore 6v6 fights at the best choke points. Having to have one character dedicated to just trying to get past the front like, and get to the widowmaker can take 8-10 seconds. thats 8-10 seconds widow maker has to rain hell down on the enemy team in a large engagement, and she can grapple away giving her another 3-4 seconds of life while money troubles leap comes off cooldown. So she has an 8-10 second advantage so its a 6v5, then its still a 5v5 while monkey trouble chases her.
>>339487925
it wouldn't be a big deal if she didn't have a practically unbreakable ice wall and a pure invincibility/150 hp heal every 12 seconds or so.. most characters simply can't deal with that on top of her slow/freeze mechanic
>>339488108
but that's not the main source of his dps, that's an extremely situational/defensive gun. the sentry mode is why anyone ever picks him.
Guys, what ifGenji's entire health pool was armor
>>339488346
no, offense needs to be easy to kill
>>339487275
If she grapples, you drop a bubble until you're ready to leap again, or just jump back down to the ground and use the verticality to keep out of her sights long enough to leap again. Most widow players panic when they see KILLA GORILLA flying at them anyway. Of all the widows I've fucked up as Winston, only one had the thought to zip away, and that bought her about 6 seconds until she got pounded after a second leap.Her gun in assault rifle mode isn't very good, and that combined with Winston's 500hp makes Widow a very squishy target.
>>339488249
Unfortunately any game with a powerful sniper is going to require a sniper to counter-snipe, and the winner of the sniper duel is going to give their team a huge advantage until the sniper respawns.
>>339485341
>kick
You retard, when HIT, I'd like to see the sniper who remains on target while bullets hit his body.
>>339480613
>remove lucio
t. Pleb that got knocked off Ilios too many times
I only agree with you on D.Va, she needs to be stronger
>>339487720
No exact timeframe but they did say they were working on multiple characters currently with two of them done and in the balance testing phase.
Forgive me /v/ for I have sinned
I set myself up in turret form as bastion on top of the payload and destroyed everything
>>339480613
>reduce genji base damage
It's already pretty low and the fire rate is shit. The ult is useless if you're not upclose and dont have dash, so there is already risk/reward. why increase Dash cool down? It's only 6 seconds.
>>339484753
Take out charge, chamber each shot, she's fixed
>>339470471
Because everybody have shit base movespeed and movement abilities heavily restricted by cooldowns. So that's basically a dream scenario for snipers.
>>339470471
>see widow
>pick winston
>give her pic related
>my teams jimmies remain unrustled
>win the game
The roster is situational, why can't ppl understand this
>>339478815
This HAS to be bait. I refuse to believe people can be this shit at a game.
>>339470471
>All the first time Arena Shooter babbies who have never learnt to deal with Snipers before Overwatch
Please leave the community until you get good, Blizzard shouldn't have to nerf anyone just because you're bad at the game.
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