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What characters desperately need to get nerfed and why are they Lucio, Bastion and Reinhardt?
McREEE needs a nerf
>>339466807
If you listen to /v/, every character needs a nerf at this point. Do people only play Arcade or something?
>Lucio
Yes, he's just too solid of a pick in almost any match up
>Bastion
No
>Reinhardt
Nope
>McRightclick
Yes
Widow is also pretty broken, but it's more a problem with the maps and retarded fucking "I scope in from yard to the defending team's spawn" sight lines
>>339466807
if anyone needs a nerf it's mei and roadhog
>>339466807
>nerf reinhardt
Found the ass angry D.Va main
>nerf
roadhog, mei, widowmaker, tracer, mcree flashbang, give junkrat ammo
>buff
zen, symmetra, dva, winston shield
lucio isnt op, he is just one of the two healers, and both get picked reliably all the time, the game needs more actual healer heroes, like 2 more.
same with reinhardt, he and winston are the only actual tanks, except winston shield is weak as fuck but he is better for causing ruckus in enemy's backlines.
Real op is tracer, widowmaker and mcree - they have zero counterplay and scale too well with player's skill. Roadhog is just your typical "pudge" from dota - land a hook, get a kill, every game now has one or two on both teams. Mei is simply cancer. Spamming junkrats are cancer, reminds me of playing Call of Grenade: Grenade Grenade
>>339466807
Lucio need to get nerfed ? why ? this is stupid
>>339468801
>this entire post
>>339468950
stay in your shitter bracket where everybody complains about bastion, famala
>>339468801
>Tracer
>Widow
>No counterplay
Roadhog, Junkrat, Reaper destroys Tracer and Winston destroys Widow
Mcree is overpowered though
>>339469001
You literally are the shitter bracket kid.
That guys right your post is retarded and you think you're not.
>>339469041
>Roadhog, Junkrat, Reaper destroys Tracer
A terrible tracer maybe
She got the tool to perfect all of them
i knew /v/ is a shitter board but comon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIEY9-mPn4
zarya is fucking broken
Only players that need to be nerfed are Bastion, Torbjorn, McCree, and Junkrat.
Hippity hop needs no nerf, he's perfect
Bastion: make it so he gets knocked out of turret form when hit with cc
needs a cooldown on his transformation from either modes so he can't just switch back to turret all willy nilly
Reinhardt: no nerf
McCree: flash bang makes enemy screen turn white for a few seconds instead of stunning them right then and there
Everyone else is fine. Mei dies to burst damage, something fps babies don't know of. Pick reaper for example
Winston is good. Widowmaker is fine and gets fucked by Winston
Hanzo is good for mid-close range duels
D.VA: change her useless defense matrix to a cone of slow so she can actually walk her slowass up to the target while firing her tickle cannons
Give her a passive regenerate shield that absorbs 300 damage. If it managed to break then she won't get it back until she calls in another mech or respawns. The shield will regenerate if it hasn't broke. That will be her tanking ability
>>339469243
She's very strong in koth. I was honestly kind of surprised her pick rate wasn't even higher in comp teams, but I guess that can be attributed to Winston being so good on KOTH and the coordination being so good that charging her shields is even more difficult.
>>339469294
>nerf the one out of two viable healers
>complains about bastion
>mei somehow dying to reaper
goddam, son...
>>339469425
Two shotgun shots to the face deals more than her health pool
If she's about to freeze you just phantom ghost away
How shit can you fucking be
They really just need to place limits on characters per match. fighting 6 torbs is impossible if they're on defense.
>>339469294
D.Va is fine as she is. Her defense matrix is good for blocking snipers and nullifying enemy ults, and in general she's good for fucking around and harassing the enemy's back row.
>>339469294
>Knock him out of turret when hiy with CC.
You mean, make him completely useless with a single CC? Are you actually this dense?
healing should be removed
fucking supportcucks destroying every single pvp game
>>339466807
Thread No. 203123085 complaining about Bastion being too strong.
>Lucio
Who is Roadhog? His ridiculously low health pool allows characters with burst damage (such as Roadhog or Tracer, for instance) to just shred him into pieces. He only is really annoying on maps where you can easily pull of env. kills. Alongside a good Phrarrah this guy is beyond annoying.
>Reinhardt
Who is Tracer? Any character with mobility can outplay him with relative ease. Also Bastion just eats his shield away.
>Bastion
Who. Is. Tracer/Genji/Pharrah/Widowmaker/Hanzo? Massive Weakpoint on the back in Turret-Mode, suffers from mobile characters and long range characters.
>HIGH NOON
don't get close to him and you're fine. His flashbang relies on CQC. Except when you're Roadhog. Hook, R1, dead.
>Mei
Same rule as for high noon. Keep your distance. Mobility is any Mei's nightmare.
>Roadhog
This is a tough one, really. Tank, self heal for sustain, and insane fuckmounts of damage. His only disadvantage is his INCREDIBLE immobility. Pecking him off with a Widow/Hanzo/Junkrat would be your best bet. Phrarrah if you're good with her, otherwise you'll get hooked out of the air.
>Widowmaker
No comment. If you can't figure out how to kill a sniper you should go back to Tetris i guess.
>Tracer
Hilariously annoying. Double Tracers will make you want to stab your own eyes out with a pitchfork. Lives and dies with her ultimate. Roadhogs can hook them quite easily cause the hook is pretty much hitscan, and CC is their doom.
>J-J-Junkrat
Traps should be slightly more visible, other than that this guy is balanced. I have no certain strategy against him, it feels like he's strong against everything and everything is strong against him.
>Symmetra
Traps of death and doom. Her traps die with one shot of anything. Figure out where her teleporter is. Once you got the first capture point the enemy will most likely swap her out.
>D.Va
Her cannons shred only in CQC. It's quite a shame, really.
>>339469601
>What is a good Pharah and Reinhardt combo?
all you idiots are wrong
Winston needs to be nerfed.
If you don't know why, you've never dealt with 2 of them.
>>339469647
I would like to see what a game like this would be like without heal faggotry. I know it makes me always think of wow arenas and how fucking long those things used to go on because of healfaggots.
>>339469735
the game doesnt have enough heroes to start nerfing shit left and right. You nerf winston - you are left with reinhardt only. That said double winston is aids indeed
>>339469656
>No comment. If you can't figure out how to kill a sniper you should go back to Tetris i guess.
I liked your points but right here you pretty much invalidated everything you said and you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>339469539
>implying reaper can even come close to mei without getting his ass frozen
its like you are playing on a console with shitters with zero awareness and full-on tunnel vision
>>339469735
Bet you're that same guy I was in a game with who said his cannon need a damage nerf and then I told my team to go double Winston to piss you off and we rekt
>>339469647
>waaahhhh I can't deal with killing the fast nigger or the Aryan slut and need to have the entire concept of healing removed to pander to me waahhhhh q.q
>>339469640
Considering there only like two cc abilities in the game not counting ultimates I think it's fine.
Pharah' disruptive bomb thing and uhh I chat even think of the other one. Junk rat's air hop mine?
>>339469735
What is D.va or Reinhardt.
Armor removes all damage received by 5. Enemies with armor are impossible to kill as Winston, even two, as long as the armor is up. The more armor, the worse.
>>339468552
How did the reinhardt not die
>>339469041
>Winston destroys Widow
He's also good for Tracer and McCree ya know.
>>339470009
Zarya shielded him is my only guess
>>339469951
McCree's stun and Reinhardt's ult. If knockbacks count, then D.Va's boosters and Lucio's alt fire. There are plenty.
>>339468552
>doing dumb shit for muh POTG
consoletards, i swear
>>339470068
Not for McCree. You'll still get raped by flash fan, trust me. I play loads of winston. If you've got a Winston buddy to leap with you against one McCree go ahead.
>>339468552
D.Va players truly are the fucking worse.
>>339469916
>Mei tries to freeze reaper doing shit damage
>meanwhile reaper is firing shotgun pellets left and right
>I wonder who will die first
>oh is reaper losing lemme just wraith form and drop all cc real quick and then continue shooting Mei in the face
What's that she iced herself? Let me just position my guns near her head as she thaws
You're the console cuck if reapers can't kill Mei. Must be the shitty controllers holding them back
this guy is pretty good
>It's yet another Torbjorn gets POTG because he activated Molten Core episode.
>>339469656
Cont.
She is one of the characters that would deserve to be buffed.
>There is no need to be upset
This monkey isn't really strong. His barrier allows for quick intrusion and cannot be compared to the strength of reinhardts shield. After a few hits this thing just breaks apart. Ironically you need to get really fucking close to deal any damage with his electro-gun, but he just gets shredded into pieces by Reapers and whatnot. Also long range is his demise.
>DIE DIE DIE
Close range only, his teleport is being telegraphed ridiculously. He always adds one of these edgy voice lines everytime he teleports too, so you can predict very quickly where the hell he's going. Watch out for his ult though, your best bet would be to team up with a Widowmaker to pop her ult when you'd expect a Reaper to flank your ass. Reaper flanks are no joke.
>Aimbot76
Meh. Same rule as Junkrat I guess. I don't see that guy too often, gets swapped out quickly. Once he pops his ult wait behind a wall for 6 seconds.
>Pharrah
Oh boy. I manage to hook most of them out of midair with Roadhog. Just practice it a bit and you'll be good to go (hitscan hooks). She is vulnerable to snipes during her ult cause she's COMPLETELY stationary. Also once her fuel and jump are on cooldown she's forced to sit on the ground, with her quite low health pool she's an easy target.
>American Dragon
Another "I have no certain strategy against him". Don't get caught napping by him. Check corners and everything, Hanzos live and die from surprising you with everything they have.
>Genji
Hold fire while he deflects, wait for him to waste his dash and finish him off I suppose. That guy isn't too strong and belongs in the "balanced" corner.
>>339469914
>"You have no idea what you're talking about"
Top. Zozzle.
Snipers are prone to have some sort of tunnel vision. Flanking them will quickly put them out of order. Also she suffers from close-range combatants such as Roadhog or Reaper.
>>339468552
>tfw I will never get the "kill 4 with the mech explosion" achievement
There's just such a fucking delay between launching the mech and it exploding. Everyone has more than enough time to run to cover before it blows
>>339469656
People need to pay attention to this post. Almost everything in it is correct.
Rheinhardt's shield isn't the impenetrable wall that people seem to think it is. If you're a damage dealer and there's no other targets of opporutunity, you should be dropping shots into the enemy rhein's shield. When that goes down, the rhein has to seek cover or go offensive. Either way, your team can exploit the vulnerability. This isn't so much a hard counter as a team strat.
Roadhog is strong, but his utterly massive HP pool means that the other team's damage are going to use him as an ult battery. Conversely, if the other team doesn't kill him outright, he'll charge a mercy ult stupid fast.
Widowmaker's crazy strong, and a good one counters basically everything. If she's uncountered, her team wallhacks have crazy uptime, but rheinhardt's shield completely stops her. The only solid counter to a good widowmaker is a better widowmaker. If you don't have one of those, a REALLY goddamn good hanzo who can properly abuse those arrow hitboxes. Alternatively, a high mobility character that can flank around and keep up with her mobility. Genji or Dva being prime candidates. An INSANELY GOOD McCree can also act as a counter or at least solid harass.
Good tracers are a blight. I smile every time I hear her die. Watching one get caught in a junkrat trap and promptly blown up is probably the best thing.
>>339470823
Zarya black hole
>>339470693
Still better than Junkrat or Hanzo pressing Q. Or Bastion holding M1 desu
Widowmaker because snipers always kill games
>>339470823
>Mei uses her ult
>I drop the mech
Good feels.
>>339470823
Arc it. Or launch it as a mortar.
Overtime clusterfucks work too.
>>339469850
Well, yeah. It's a literal chimp out. I would expect AIDS.
>>339470001
It's more the fact that they can throw down two shields and build ultimate like none other. If they ult one after another you can't really contain them that easily and they can keep you from the point. Sure you could try pinning and Rienhardt, Junkrat's traps, or Mei, but you'll honestly need to double up on McCrees to deal with them. If both go after your healer you're team is pretty much fucked.
>>339470001
D.Va can't output enough damage to deal with him that easily. She won't die to him but she won't kill him fast enough before he deals with your support.
>>339466807
Bastion needs a buff. He's useless in higher level play. The only people demanding a nerf are literal noobs. Not bad players, literal noobs that just started playing the game.
Winston counters both Lucio & Widowmaker
>>339468801
McCree's counterplay is engaging him from more than twelve centimetres away. His most damaging abilities only work at short range. He can snipe sure, but he's never going to be anywhere as good at it as the dedicated mid/long range characters, and the stupid idiot loudly announces his ult so it turns out to be useless half the time.
I seriously don't see why people have trouble beating McCree.
What the game desperately needs is a fucking vote kick option for when you have either shitty teammates, or literal useless ones
>Playing earlier tonight
>Pretty tense game trying to push the payload back from the final checkpoint
>At some point notice there's only 5 of us actually fighting
>When I die I go spectate mode to see where the fuck this guy is
>It's a Tracer just fucking exploring the map, not even attempting to come and join the fight
>Try yelling at them to either fucking come help or leave
>They ignore me
Vote kicking fucking when
>>339471018
He's hard to balance since his entire thing is the turret gimmick and I don't see how you can buff that without reworking how he plays.
>>339467115
The problem with Widow is that she's a sniper in a game made for casuals/consolebabbies so in the hands of anyone halfway decent she is a monster. I have at best average aiming in FPSes and I fuck people as Widow.
>>339471091
Because you tend to have to contest some sort of capture point, which forces close range encounters
>>339466909
not really he's pretty bad unless it's HIGH NOON
Otherwise the majority of his kills are just stolen kills from his other teammates.
>>339471112
Hell no. Not for casual quick play at the very least. Vote kick is fucking cancer.
>>339471027
I think if a Widowmaker has near perfect aim (which is not that uncommon in slightly older shooters) then most will get fucked by her.
Either way, if her teammates are anywhere near compotent then they will finish off that crippled winston.
300 damage headshots ain't nothing to fuck with
>>339471138
I'm the opposite. I'm so much more shit with her than I thought I would be. I have no clue what it is either, I don't play her much so maybe I just need to play her more.
>>339471176
What fucking game are you playing?
>>339469232
Holeee shit.
The problem is Widow scales directly with skill, how do you nerf that? Longer reload times?
>>339466807
>Lucio
See image.
>Bastion
Needs a shield, a healer, or an absent-minded enemy team. Doesn't need a nerf.
>Reinhardt
Then nobody would be picking him. He gets squashed behind shield pretty easy.
>>339471179
Vote kicking is incredibly necessary in heavily team based games. One person not doing their job can cost you the round. As long as you don't do something fucking stupid, you don't have to worry about the majority of the team voting you off
>>339471138
Fucking widow completely shuts me and my entire team down by herself when we're attacking in Dorado. A good Widow player is fucking ludicrous to deal with. I can take her down with D.Va and Winston but she immidiately comes back and fucks shit up again
>>339471247
>how do you nerf skill
Maybe you just don't? I mean if they're really skilled maybe they deserve to just shit on everyone.
>>339466807
I just wish you could knock Bastion in turret mode or Torb's turret around with Pharah's concussive shot or Lúcio's big wub.
It would make it a lot easier to not get shot to shit just from peeking around a corner.
>>339471261
>Reinhardt's shield vs Bastions turret
I love making Reinhardts run away like the fags they are.
>>339470796
Cont.
>That turret guy whose name I never get right
I didn't figure him out completely yet. Sometimes he catches me long range, sometimes close range. Snipers get rid of his turrets in an insanely fast manner, and in most cases him aswell.
>Mercy
She should be your primary target. If you have a chance to kill her, do so. In 90% of the cases, Murphy's Law applies here. If you think that she doesn't have her Q ready, she has. And if you just thought that you killed their team well no. Her low health pool makes her a quick snack, and with her low-damage weapon she is relying on her teammates to protect her.
>Robot Gandhi
Very low HP pool, consisting of mostly shields. A widowmaker can oneshot him to the body in most cases. He shouldn't be a primary target, but if he's out of position take him out. That Orb of Discord can be a real pain in the ass, increasing the incoming damage by a whopping 50 %.
Did I miss out someone?
>>339471247
You don't allow a fucking sniper rifle to fire ten times before having to reload and also give it a 1.5 sec reload time.
That's just begging to encourage bodyshots and firing at anything you see.
>>339470796
>flanking a team with walls hacks
You can stop posting, I'm going to bed.
>>339471314
That would make bastion literally useless and hard countered by pharah at all times.
>>339471247
it should take longer to reach 100% power
remove release right button/quickscope faster shooting
less bullets in magazine
slower run speed
longer cd on hook
less hp
etc
>>339469914
Widowmaker is a bit too strong in the hands of a good player. Even when she's not sniping she has grappling hook for great mobility, 200hp, rapid fire rifle. She's basically a better soldier, they should at least nerf her health
Lucio, McCree need to be toned down
Lucios healing is retarded and McCree destroys the whole cast at mid-close range.
other than that i think the game is pretty balanced
>>339471247
increased charge time?
I really hate playing against her cause her ult activation voice line seems to get drowned out by everything else so i dont hear when she is walling
>>339471261
lucio and mercy are both great, together theyre a fucking pain in the dick to play against
>>339470796
Monkey is strong, the ult heal-to-full is incredibly annoying and he is incredibly disruptive, easily capable of killing a healer or at least knocking a team out of place enough that other damage can exploit the opening.
76 is a very solid pick. Boring, but can produce sustained, accurate fire and his dps isn't bad at all. If the other team is effectivley countering McRee and he can't get close enough to bullshit combo, 76 is the next best thing.
Hanzos come in two flavors. Failed widowmakers or unholy terrors. Thankfully, the former is what you will encounter 99.8% of the time. Any half-decent widowmaker will violate his dignity, and anyone with decent range can fuck him up from behind a rhein shield. Similarly, if you can get close to him anyone who has mastered the complex art of strafing at random intervals while running towards him and shooting. However, you'll still be vulnerable to random bullshit headshots that will almost certainly feature in the "Sharpshooter" PotG he's going to get.
>>339471295
Oh come one, most people who are good at snipers have said that Widow is the easiest sniper they've ever played because she has no kick on her on sniper, the charge is really fast and the hit boxes on enemies are huge.
She needs a nerf.
>>339466807
Explain exactly why reinhardt needs to be nerfed? are you retarded?
>>339471289
People keep saying Winston is a counter to Widow, but what's to stop a good Widow from grappling to another ledge?
>>339471445
As it stands though a good bastion has almost no counters if he's in a good spot.
>>339471594
leap is on a 4s cd from start of leap
>>339471495
> 200hp
Should definitely by 150hp
>playing tracer with an aimbot
>keeps spamming useless shorts to keep my hit% down
>instant kill any lucio, mery or zen I get close to and zip out of their team again
>don't borther with anyone else other for the odd reaper or tracer that comes for me
>watch all the support babies switch classes or leave the server
Most fun I ever had in a Blizzard game. Especially the salt I get when I type "gg ezpz" at the end in chat.
>>339471445
Not if the player is good. Bastion is supposed to chew through other players and be constantly switching places.
Pharah's an easy target in the air and he can mow her down in less than a second.
If he just waits for her again after she dies and respawns instead of moving, it's his fault.
He can leap 3 times for every Widow hook
>>339469735
Winston isn't OP he has several hard counters.
>>339471295
A enormously skilled Widowmaker shits on everything.
There's no spy to counter her, and there's no flanking because wallhacks.
The only thing that counters 1 enormously skilled Widowmaker is 2, ad infinitum.
>>339471647
Widowmaker gets first shot, headshot boom 300 hp less.
She jumps away from Winston provided he's already close.
Boom another headshot and he's dead.
New player here. Balance aside, what's McCree's actual role? Reaper is the close range flanker, Soldier is the solid mid range, Pharah seems like longer range burst damage, and Tracer's a harasser. Where does McCree fit in here? Am I just supposed to run up to people and fan-fire them to death?
>>339471674
Are you baiting or is there really hax in this game?
>>339471647
I thought it was 5, but surely 5 seconds is enough for Widows team to get their shit together?
>>339466807
only McCree and Mercy. McCree needs nerf on everything though and Mercy just on her ult load time.
>>339471594
>>339471708
thats why comp teams run 2 winstons
>>339471676
>Pharah's an easy target in the air and he can mow her down in less than a second.
A good pharah never exposes herself in front of the enemy in the fucking air, that's just stupid.
>>339471595
Genji, junk, pharah, map awareness, rein tanking while other flanks, widow/hanzo corner peak, mei wall for flanking
>>339471594
Her grapple is on a really long cooldown, like 15s, so winston has the edge on her in regards to vertical mobility. He still has to get close, and if the widow can get a headshot on his approach, it's going to be pretty close even if she just uses her full-auto.
>>339471708
Tracer counters Widowmaker easily. I only ever switch to her when a widowmaker is locking down our team.
>>339470823
>Tfw got it on my first ult ever
>>339471721
Of course there is. I calibrated mine to only aim for heads when I am in a certain distance to people so it won't be super obvious.
>>339471674
Ah, I know who you are. Enjoy your permaban. :^)
>>339471768
And that's why hero stacking needs to end.
>>339471736
Don't get so close to McCree next time.
>>339471814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcIEY9-mPn4
just headstot
>>339471840
Not interested in ERP
>>339471176
>Stun
>Fan the Hammer deals 420 damage
This kills most characters in a single move. I'm not saying he should be nerfed, but he's not as bad as you say.
>>339471708
>shield down to block farshot
>jump + pushback
>hold LMB and circle around
>ded widow
>>339471713
Flash and fan until flash is up again. That's his role. The skill gap required to properly counter even a bad mccree at mid to short range is stratospheric.
>>339471403
The Murphy's Law with Mercy is mostly because she can get it up in about 30 seconds if she can find a roadhog/rein/winston/dva on low health.
Whenever I play Mercy I can usually get rezzes up each minute at most
>>339471876
I should just avoid him all time right?
t.blizzcuck
>>339471176
His ult sucks ass. He can literally deal 2.5K damage on burst.
>>339471959
Yes? That's his role, he's supposed to kill anyone he sees. It's easy to counter him, and that's to not engage with him. Maybe you'll learn one day, shitter.
>>339471790
Pharah's rockets don't crit, so it takes 3 direct rockets to kill one bastion. Each rocket has about a one second delay.
In that time, even if you come at him from behind, he has more than enough time to shoot you out of the air, even if you're manoeuvring around him since his turret doesn't have any sort of wind up or slow down.
>>339471713
He is great medium to close range. His flash + fan combo is stupid strong and is pretty much the only reliable way to instantly kill tracers, genjis. He's great at killing tanks as well. As it stands, there's really no reason not to pick him in every game
>>339466807
>mfw I just played a match where my entire team was Torbjorns
>>339471527
Oh you just reminded me that I wanted to write something about the ults altogether. But first:
>More monkey business
Yeah, he is really disruptive in a good player's hand, but this applies for any characters actually. He is a pain in the ass for any character with a health pool below 200.
Agreed on 76
>Hanzo
Yeah, or him shooting his ult against a wall.
The main rule that applies for pretty much any ult you see is "Fight or Flight". E.g. Winstons ult. You can decide to try to outdamage his ult (which isn't too hard with a Reaper/Roadhog) or you can decide to wait it out. But in most cases you'd have to abort whatever the fuck you are doing right now and quickly do something else.
>>339471713
McCree fills the gap between a Roadhog and a Reaper. He has a powerful CC ability and insane close range burst damage, but is also capable of using a lower rate of fire and thus lower dps long range attack.
>>339471924
It takes over 3 secs to kill a widowmaker. That's 2-3 fully charged headshots depending on wether or not Widow already had a full charge.
You've obviously never fought a MLG ultra pro 360 boombox.
You'll just get hit mid air and then on the ground.
Under optimal play Widowmaker is the single strongest hero because that's just the way how snipers are.
>>339472058
I had on of those. Highest killstreak I'll ever get. Got up to 20 something I think.
>>339472058
>Played a match against a team that was entirely Symmetras on Defense
>Next game, they all went Hanzo
>>339471713
he just picks off weakened enemies.
or if you get really close to someone you can flashbang/empty your gun on them.
Boring game, who cares.
>>339472058
>just played a match with 5 reinhardt and a lucio
easiest game of my life, just charge everything then channel the great wall of china on the payload
even got potg for holding M1
>>339472007
So, if he's standing on the point I should wait for the timer to run out?
>>339472115
Just link >>339471886 for MLG ultra pro 360 boombox
>>339468801
>nerf characters who scale with skill
Blizzard everyone
>>339471498
Funny you say that because this one Anubis defense I had to do earlier featured another Mercy. I REALLY tried playing Lucio again for shields and stuff but it was too awkward with the first point because our team was spread out. Eventually I gave up and switched again; we had a much easier time especially with double rezzes.
>>339471959
Oh sorry they didn't make a game where you're supposed to just run blindly screaming at everyone you see.
Is a casual game like Overwatch really too complex for you?
>>339472007
>overwatch equivalent of ambassador
>only a danger in CQC
>>339472007
>shitter
>says the guy who thinks McCree is fine
kys cuck
>>339472115
Man, I don't know what you're smoking, but not even the "pros" on cloud 9 this past weekend were able to headshot Winston point blank. Mainly because they knew they needed to fuck off to their team instead
Youre talking aimbot level shit.
>>339472209
inb4 somebody says tracer countered him when in reality she died 4 times or so just to kill Widow once.
the wallhacks shit is so stupid, don't care if it's an ultimate
take that out and you have a decent competitive game
>>339472160
Stillborn pleb detected
>>339472187
In that case I'd tell my whole team to go Bastion. Rip shields
Personally I think teams work better with two healers.
A Mercy is mandatory, the other should be Lucio or Zenyatta to focus on the rest of the team while the Mercy is indisposed with whoever the main pusher is.
Nerf overtime fucking hell
>mfw people give Roadhog 8 commends for self-healing
Why is that even up there
>Join game
>NOW ARRIVING AT HOLLYWOOD
>On attack
>Team is Hanzo Widowmaker Symmetra Bastion Genji
JUST
>>339466807
>not McCree
After getting raped by him repeatedly for the past few weeks, and having avoided playing him myself because I thought he must have high skill requirements, I decided to start playing him tonight in earnest, rather than just trying him in a quickplay, fucking up the combo, and deciding I suck at him and will never get better.
I spent about 10 minutes getting the feel of his combo playing a custom game against an easy bot, then started playing pvp matches.
It's easy as fuck. Gold medals on eliminations, objective eliminations, and damage almost every time, possibly objective time too if you're using him on an attack map or KotH.
Dozens of Fan the Hammer eliminations, melted tanks, it even melts Sentries if they're not attended.
High Noon is kind of meh but at least it refunds 50% of your ultimate if you don't shoot because everyone scattered when they heard what time it was, and it clears the objective, if you're lucky you'll get some kills. Got a PotG at the Anubis last point was in the passage behind point B. Stunned and fanned a soldier, went behind the passage, popped high noon, killed their tank and their other soldier and their mercy, then took a pot shot at their widow and ended up headshotting her and killing her too.
It's fucking easy and ridiculously strong.
He needs nerfs.
>>339467115
>I scope in from yard to the defending team's spawn" sight lines
There are literally no maps like that.
>>339472305
You've got to figure out what to replace it with.
Boosted damage and penetration on shots?
>>339469232
If her rifle was bolt action this would be okay.
>>339472229
yeah mercy seems better than lucio on defense, but lucio is still great on defense if you know when to use your ult
>>339472058
>end of open beta
>everyone in the server goes Reinhardt
Most fun i'll ever have
>>339471948
>>339472049
>>339472082
>>339472146
Thanks pals. He seems like a fun character conceptually, so I guess I'll just have to enjoy him while it lasts before Blizz nerfs him, what with all the people complaining about him.
>>339472019
if you're close enough that he can acquire you and kill you before you can squeeze off three rockets, pharah is probably not the right counter in that situation. Pharah's much better against torb turrets that have a hard upper limit on their range.
Yes, sometimes it will take multiple people to properly counter a bastion, and even at higher levels he's a bit too strong, but once you shut him down, he's out for a while unlike torb who can drop turrets, and when he does molten core, he's a close range god himself and the turret fucks up everything and is really goddamn hard to kill with like 800 hp.
>>339469656
>R1
Console kids please leave
>>339472387
no scope ability nigga
>>339472352
enemy team saying "thanks for the ult charge!"
>>339472361
atleast genji is good on attack
>>339472268
>.2% higher than my main
You son of a bitch
>>339472209
>all those bodyshots in motion
Doubtful that they could hit a jumping winston when all they could hit were people moving their normal running speed in a predictable direction.
>>339472513
I was 56% but Genji pickers you know.
>>339472369
I beat McCree all the time I seriously don't get what /v/'s problem is. Is everyone here just casual shitters?
>>339472270
Here's a boombox >>339471886
Widow easily hard counters anything below 300 hp, except maybe Tracer who's "merely" countered.
Even the few characters who can manage to semi take her on get fucked because wallhack and team can focus on those high HP characters because all the squishy enemy damage dealers are already dead.
>>339472387
Give her five seconds of rapid fire, full charge sniping.
>>339472352
>people giving healers commendations for 15k healing on 3-round KotH
>people bitching about McCree
He's the easiest fucker to kill
>>339472472
>What is a Gamepad
>"Fuck I can't afford 25 yirups for that"
Also about all the peasants crying about Widowmakers ult:
It lasts like what, 6 seconds? Wait. It. Out. Just wait behind a wall, once it runs out, flank her. And even if you're in a hurry, you should try flanking from two sides. Most snipers have an issue with tunnel vision, so even if one is spotted, the other isn't necessarily.
>>339472561
I know that a good widow hard counters low health shits. But an equally good Winston hard counters her. Yes, assuming they're both equally skilled, hard counters. Mostly because the widow will fuck off to her team at the sight, which will allow space for teammates
>McCree
>skill called flashbang
>it doesn't blind you
>>339469656
Reaper eat Roadhog for breakfast. He's a major counter to that big pig
Can someone give pointers for Tracer? It seems other people can destroy anything below 300 hp in a single magazine while I struggle to kill anyone in 3 reloads. Should I just blink into their face?
Also my biggest problems are Torbs turrets. No matter if I get behind the enemy team when a turret is placed somewhere I completly fucked. Even if I peek out, it locks on me instantly and I have barely any health left.
>>339472734
>bang
>chain
>bang
>ded
This applies for any close range characters.
>>339472769
Torb Turrets directly counter flankers.
Aim better
>>339472548
You must be playing McCrees that don't know how to E and Right click, or they push down the center lane with their team instead of flanking.
I mean I can beat McCrees on Junkrat if he's dumb enough to walk into a trap and I'm lobbing grenades from far enough away to not be in flashbang range.
But any time I encounter him when he's on defense. I get stunned, and instagibbed.
>>339472692
No, he doesn't hard counter her.
She can always get the first shot unless Winston is a mind reader
If Winston takes one full charge to the face she can finish him off with her Automatic rifle.
I'm calling it right now, Support sniper will be able to shoot allies to heal them.
Just got out of a game with an infuriating shitstain so I thought I'd share a story.
>Game is KOTH
>Get one Widowmaker on our team
>Roll my eyes and count ourselves down a player (KOTH *and* the map are offense-style)
>Rest of our team is comprised of useful offenders, tanks, and a Mercy (I was McCree)
>But of all people, it had to be the fuckboi Widowmaker with a mic
>We roll out of spawn and he opens by sighing and saying "I wonder how many of you will get on the point"
>They end up capping the point and he says "Yep, figures"
>Commentary goes on like this for a little bit
>"I almost had him, and no one moved in to take it" (typical Widowmaker that can't hit shit wow surprise)
>"Am I playing with a bunch of middleschoolers or something?"
>Open up my mic and say "You're the one playing Widowmaker when we're on the offense, buddy."
>"Mhm. I am."
>He says nothing else the entire game
>We lose the round
>He switches to Soldier 76 next round
What a shitter. To top it off, at the results screen, I had the gold medal for both eliminations AND objective kills on my team which tells me the rest of us were pushing while he did jack shit. For all of his crying he didn't even show up on the card screen, the Mercy and I did. If I disliked Widowmakers before, for being bad, that guy all but confirmed to me what attention-seeking kill-obsessed scrubs they are.
TF2 Sniper
>Can kill some of the classes with a single uncharged headshot
>Has to charge up for any class above 150 HP.
>If any class is buffed by a medic, uncharged headshots no longer kill in one hit
>Very powerful pick class, but balanced by charge mechanic and bolt-action firerate along with overheals and aimpunch and little defense up close.
BUT WHAT IF WE MADE HIM A HOT CHICK WITH AWESOME MOBILITY AND A SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLE THAT TAKES A SECOND TO FULLY CHARGE AND KILL SOME CLASSES OUTRIGHT WITH A BODYSHOT? ALSO, CHECK OUT THIS MINE AND HOW THE RIFLE TURNS INTO A SUPER POWERFUL AUTOMATIC RIFLE. DON'T EVEN NEED TO SWITCH WEAPONS. ALSO, LET'S GIVE THIS HITSCAN DEMONESS WALLHACKS FOR THE WHOLE TEAM, SHUTTING DOWN ANY FLANK IN THIS CHOKEPOINT HEAVY GAME.
EPIC.
>>339472007
>"It's easy to counter him!"
>"Just give up and never fight him!"
>>339472769
Don't blink in, save it for escaping and dodging. Learn the flanks, and time your pushes with the tank so that their damage dealing force is focused on the rest of the team. Your main targets are the squishy healers and snipers. Use your E sparingly, you never know when you might need it. Both abilities are a must for properly using your ult.
>>339472692
People keep saying this, but even 1v1, 1 fully charged shot + rapid fire is enough to shred winston before he can bring her down. I still love winston and he can definitely get the drop on an unsuspected widow but I wouldn't say he's a direct counter to her
>>339472842
Bubble on widow allows monkey to fight without getting hurt by her. She has to fuck off.
Also, consider friendly wallhacks, considering there should almost always be 1 widow on the team
Anyone else finding roadhog's shotgun to be doing no damage at times?
His right click sometimes does nothing against weak champions even though it is hitting.
I don't understand all the whine about Bastion, I expected him to be super strong since people cry about him all day, but he is so easy to counter when hes immobile, and literally useless in assault mode.
>>339471138
This. I suck at aiming but even when I miss someone or even damage them, people keep pushing their luck and keep peeking out of cover, giving me easy kills.
>>339473064
Right click has to travel a certain distance to explode into shrapnel and so good damage
>>339472842
Anon, stop trying to defend your waifu. Characters announce that there's a sniper to the rest of the team, so there's no 'mind reading' involved. And this alleged 'guaranteed' first shot is deeply reliant on the skill of both players, and the conditions of the game at hand.
For example, it's very common for a healer to stick by a tank, while it's very uncommon for a healer to pocket a sniper, unless it's a mercy with nothing better to do.
>>339473087
On defense, a Bastion hiding in a corner behind a Reinhardt shield can be disgustingly hard to kill. 2300HP turret that kills anyone within its line of sight in about a second.
>>339473001
The fact is that it doesn't matter if Winston hard counters her if she can get 3 kills every time before the ape gets her.
This is what people don't or refuse to understand.
>>339473118
that's the thing though I am letting it travel, just in a game, I let it travel to where it exploded then scattered yet no damage
>>339466807
Make McCree not have fan the hammer or the stun nade, or make the stun nade work with direct hit only
Make Widowmaker have a longer charge to get 100% damage
I don't know what to do to Lucio without just crippling him to complete shit
Bastion is fine, only bad teams get shit on by them, but make him get affected by CC in turret form if anything.
If anyone cares, don't let Mei/Reaper be able to hold points while using their invincible powers.
Everyone else is fine
>>339472878
It's fuckers like this one that make me ashamed to play widowmaker. Offensive widowmaker is possible, but you've gotta be SUPER aggressive and able to headshot on a regular basis at any range.
If you're not forcing the other team to counterpick YOU because the last three waves their healer died before they even got in combat, you're probably wasting a slot being widow. Widow shouldn't be doing well on objective kills because she should be locking the other team down before they get anywhere near the objective.
>>339472734
That's a skill matchup. Both have shotguns. Reaper has lower heatlh, but can escape quite quickly with his shift.
How I'd deal with the other in both situations:
Reaper vs. Roadhog:
Try flanking. If he spots you try ambushing him. Fighting a Roadhog head on is suicide.Of course we are using two players of "equal" skill in this scenarioTry to catch him off guard, once you hit the first close-range crit you can quickly connect a second one. If he tries to heal that's two free hits for you and he'll go down after that. If he hooks you: Fight or Flight. If he's already injured hit that pig. If you are unsure just shift out. If you ult nearby him, make sure he has his hook not ready, otherwise your ult meets a quick end.
Roadhog vs. Reaper
Hook time = fun time. Either look out for him to have used his shift already, or bait it out by hooking him. If you time it right he won't be able to shift out in time. Hook and shoot straight away. With practice you'll be able to hit more consistently. Other than that you counter his ult completely, cause CC interrupts his ult.
>>339473229
No idea what to tell you anon
>>339472674
I agree. My only issue with it is that there isn't a global tell. So if they are sniping from super far, which they usually do, you won't know they have it until at least 1 person gets killed immediately for peeking.
noob here
this is my first bnet game, does the messaging system not have an overlay? im probably just missing something in the settings
>>339473001
>jump
>knock off perch
>jump back
You don't need to kill to counter.
>>339473221
Im not claiming she's balanced. I'm just saying that if there's a widow on the other team, so your team a favor and bounce on that bitch with the monkey, then camp her
>>339473239
The only thing I can think of with Lucio is make it have a 5-8 second cooldown when he switches modes.
>>339469656
I don't have a problem with anyone of them.
Just the dwaf and his auto lock machines I fucking hate them.
>>339472942
TF2 Sniper isn't really balanced.
Sure Spy can counter him, but he's clearly in another league at the highest level.
>>339473026
> there should almost always be 1 widow on the team
Sounds like you admit her being OP.
If he pops the bubble when he lands next to her, she may not be able to do a lot and has to fuck off temporarily but if the Widow is a boombox mlg pro like that Korean in the video the Winston is already severely crippled from being hit mid air and it takes over 3 seconds of non-stop hits to kill a Widowmaker.
>>339473137
I'm talking about when the Widow is playing optimally, like that Korean in a video already posted.
And Mercy's have a lot of mobility, there's a high chance Winston will be interrupted because he has to kill a Mercy.
Besides an optimal Widow has already killed the other squishy damage dealers so Winston is going to get focuses.
Snipers should be removed from games.
Because once the game is getting a slight amount of those extremely skilled mlg headshot pros Snipers become absolutely spiteful to deal with.
>>339471247
More recoil. Can't one hit to body. Done.
>>339472769
Tracer's pistols suffer huge damage fall-off pretty quickly, so make sure you're damn close to them before you start unloading.
Also try for headshots.
>>339473280
I'd agree on that point. It really needs a global call.
>>339473329
Read my conts.
>tfw kicking fucking ass as Zenyatta
I can't even play anything else right now, he's so fucking fun and effective.
>>339473371
I readily admit widow is op anon
And Winston is a hard counter
>>339473242
I don't mean to shit on ALL Widowmakers with my prejudice but my preconceptions about the good majority of them combined with that guy's DSP syndrome triggered me hardcore.
If you're Widowmaker and you pick off enemy heroes, destroy turrets, and open pathways efficiently, then good on you. Keep up the excellent work because we sure need more Widowmakers of the type.
>>339473087
Bastion does incredible damage for a defense class, with next to no effort involved. Junkrat and Mei can be just as devestating, but they have to work a lot harder. If they lowered bastion's sentry mode damage to make him more of a cover fire character than a mowing machine, there wouldn't be any complaints.
>>339472268
>>339472007
mcreee is nowhere near fine
he should keep his burst though and lose his long range because the game would be dumb as fuck without a decent close range character and you'd see everyone just tank stacking and way more reaper players, tracer also gets way stronger if mcreee is worse in close
>>339470796
>Let my roommate try overwatch
>He plugs his xbox controller into my PC
>Getting shit on as reaper
>Missing point blank shots on roadhogs and Dvas
>Force him to try the mouse
>He starts to get into it
>Go up with another friend to bonfire
>Come back down a few hours later
>Roommate has his hood on, 12 empty beers around him, and is wearing my headphones yelling into the screen "DIE YOU FUCKING TRACER BITCHES"
>Proceed to watch him go 38 and 3 attacking on hollywood
>Headshotting tracers out of their teleports
>Outplaying Reinharts
>Jumping off of buildings and shooting straight down at people's heads, then dropping ult right after to finish anyone around him off
>Wraith forms out of ult back to health, just to sneak back around and punish those who think he ran away
I'm so proud
>Lucio
Nerf the amount in which he heals others and perhaps completely remove his self-heal or at least dampen it. Also all Lucio fags ever do is stall the overtime or point single handedly by wall skating in circles and being generally hard to kill so maybe remove that.
>McCree
Nerf the flashbang so it has less radius, maybe even having to be a direct hit, then un-nerf his left click so that it is actually usable. Fan the hammer sucks against small characters without flashbang so he needs something to compensate.
>Widowmaker
I can't think of any game with easier sniping than this one and the bitch is annoying as a result. Make her fire rate slower and make her charge rate slower as well. Further increase grappling hook cooldown and reduce the damage that poison mines do because 75 damage is ridiculous and just leaves you vulnerable to a body shot if you're an offense or support class
>Zenyatta
Give him more health and the ability to throw out multiple orbs of harmony, however nerf orb of discord because as stands if the orb is ever on you there is basically a necessity to put yourself in timeout otherwise you'll die to something. Every game has a Zenyatta in it now purely because of this.
>Symmetra
Skill-less class and annoying as fuck but I don't know what to do about her.
>Mei
Competitive Overwatch is irrelevant and she is only picked little because currently McCree and Tracer are common picks in it. Beyond that Mei is by far one of the best defense classes and needs some minor tweaking, such as slower reload speed, less ammo, and slightly slower freezing.
>Tracer
If you're going to nerf McCree, you have to nerf Tracer. Flashbang and fan the hammer is currently one of the few things that can reliably kill her, and she is virtually unkillable towards most classes and actions.
>Hanzo
Just fix his hitboxes.
>>339473438
A mild counter, not a hard.
A hard would mean she has near zero chance under optimal play from both.
But she doesn't have a near zero chance, she has a very good chance and one headshot already cripples him to be picked off easily.
problem with torbjörn is that his turret locks on too fast and has too long range.
if you compare only the torbjörn turret to the engineer sentry, the engi gets outclassed bigtime by torbjörn due to his reach
>>339470365
There is literally nothing wrong with maining D.Va
We here at Blizzard have created a throwback to shooters of old with a teambased FPS balanced on the idea of counter-picking and changing your hero choice to keep things interesting.
>>339470823
I got loads of people in beta but in the full game it took me ages to get just one kill with it. Yesterday I got 5 and a nice new spray for it, launch it anon
>>339473371
except every successful pro tf2 team just had their sniper banned for aimbotting so it's safe to say that the skill required to make him viable isn't realistic even for the top level of play
FUCK THAT RETARDED OVERTIME SHIT HOLY FUCK
>Lethal as shit Sniper in TF2
>Can barely click heads in Overwatch
I don't get it.
>>339473568
>Maining
True cancer.
>>339473416
I hope they don't buff him. It's more fun this way.
>>339473609
I had a 28 minute game of Gibraltar due to overtime. Granted it was in arcade mode but it was intense.
At first I thought Bastion was really brainless when I played him for the first time, and then I tried out McCree.
>getting accolades for "I can't hit a moving target" kills at the end of a round
>>339473639
>18 orb of discord assists
FTFY
>>339473621
Why click heads when you can drop most classes in two quick body shots?
>>339473484
>cooldown on fan
>dodge doesn't reload
>longer reload animation
McCree shouldn't be rewarded for not killing with fan. Dodge should be his 'fuck I missed' mobility skill.
>>339473524
Man, assume thalat there's an equally skilled Winston coming in to that mlg widow. I bet he bubbles at the peak of t the jump to block the mid-air headshot, lands on her directly and proceeds to zap that bitch hard. She hooks to her team, he bounces in, rages and knocks everyone every fucking direction
>>339473584
>implying that the gay ass "professional" league is an indicator for the meta.
I got triggered by that shit, all of those LCS and whatnot niggers deserve to burn in hell.
>>339473516
I usually stick with KB+M aswell, but sometimes I just enjoy the smooth movement of a gamepad.
>>339473371
Spy doesn't counter Sniper.
A good Sniper is always playing along their team while getting overheals, and good luck killing him if there's a sentry nearby. This means you need to headshot him 2 times in a row with the Ambassador which is no easy task.
For a Spy the razorback is bullshit broken.
Make it so Lucio doesnt heal himself just like the other healers. Now hes fixed
>>339473621
stop trying to aim at their hitboxes and just aim at them
>>339473623
I main lucio, come at me faggot
>>339471176
Is this bait? Mccree is the most powerful character in the game besides lucio for his normal cooldowns, except his ult that is mediocre.
>>339473707
Not that anon but Zen's orbs are pinpoint accurate and nobody ever expects them. They do decent damage as well.
>>339473568
>maining
>in Overwatch
I want this meme to end.
>>339473568
How is D.Va strategic?
What does he mean by "push tactically"? What does that even?
What is happening?
>>339473239
Making McCree's fan incredibly inaccurate would also work, so that he'd have to rely on m1 headshots or force him to roll to get enough rounds in something at anything but point blank.
Widowmaker...is really hard. I think that less damage on shots under 100% should be heavily nerfed, so that 99% might be 45 damage, but 100% would still be 150.
Lucio's aura needs tuned down. 12/hp a sec passive down to like 10 or 8/sec, bump up the cooldown on the activated ability to make it less of a "Spam it on cooldown" and more of a tactical decision like his ult.
Bringing bastion down to 250 hp (keeping the armor)
...or giving him a "head" in turret form that can be hit from the front
...or limiting his FoV
...or decreasing his turret form accuracy and increasing damage falloff to put him on par with torb turret effective range.
Any of those would make him much easier to counter without sacrificing his ability to utterly punish disorganized attackers and counter rhein's shield.
>>339468801
>lucio isnt op, he is just one of the two healers, and both get picked reliably all the time
Zenyatta is a healer, and lucio is OP.
But I agree that the game needs more healers, since it's recommended to have 2 on your team and right now zen isn't great.
What's the best healer and why is it Lucio?
>Dat AoE healing.
>Dat speed boost.
>Dat wall ride + speed boost combo
>Dat enemy ult-nullifying ultimate that is perfect for pushing and achieving a win at the last minute
>That perfect gun
>That knockback and delicious amounts of environmental kills
>>339473760
>it doesn't count because I say so
>they're garbage because I say so
Post win% anon
>>339473823
They wreck squishies on headshot. If you aim at head height and spam, you're basically a mid-range sniper.
>>339473584
>The team with more McCrees is losing.
So it's confirmed, /v/ was wrong about McCree.
>play genji
>get stunned and fanned once by mccree
>spend rest of game baiting the flashbang and reflecting it every time, disregard objective only kill mccree
Genji is FUN
>>339473289
The messaging system uses the in-game chat and works just like it does in most other shooters
>>339473852
I guess it means that she can kill turrets and clear out choke points as well as snipers.
You need to have a good eye and reflexes to remain effective and not a burden, mainly because her damage is complete and utter shit.
>>339473969
Gale force didn't believe in the power of widow wallhacks.
>>339473969
The team on the right is a bunch of nobodies, I know Harbleu from TF2 and he was shit then and is shit now.
>on attack
>be Lucio
>Rest of the team is offense/snipers
>our widow sucks dick
>their widow and Hanzo are wrecking us
>ask someone to go Winston or D.Va to deal with enemy snipers
>no one does
>fine, looks like I have to do everything
>banana slamma their asses continually taking them out of the game
>get payload to 0.24 meters from final point
>lose in overtime
>teammates bitch that I switched out of healer
I fucking hate people
>>339470137
I saw a junkrat do that same "well played" potg shit once
Using the wheel of course, how else
>>339466807
>We Attack on Dorado
>Another guy has picked Reinhardt
>I pick him anyway
>next two guys pick Reinhardt
>Oh my god could this be...?
>All of a sudden it was 5 Reinhardts and one Bastion
>Bastion Sentries on payload
>Reinhardts all over him protecting him 360°
It was the most glorious game I've ever had. We won in roughly a Minute.
We lost horribly as all Mei in defense though.
>Bastion
He's only a pain if people don't know to flank him while he's distracted. If they nerf him, only thing they should do is either increase his reload time, or the time it takes him to change forms.
>Urge to buy 50 loot boxes
FUCK
>>339473986
you cant reflect it dumbass, it has blast radius. only direct hits reflect
>>339473986
>this guy is doing this while the rest of the team is actually trying to capture the point
>>339474113
in game, anon
Anyone can screen a website of some random and run w/ it.here's mine from 2 days ago
>>339474120
>Join a round
>3 tracers
>Fuck it
>4 tracers
>2 other people join and pick tracer
>We get bodied
>Next round
>Pick genji
>Everyone on my team picks genji too
>We win in mere minutes
>Enemy team comments "respect genji squad"
:)
>>339473986
yeah, I bet it was fun for your team as well
>>339470849
>being glad she's frozen in there and you're out here
>>339474147
> buying loot boxes
neck urself
>>339474231
I know it sounds retarded but I just love those matches where a joke ends up being surprisingly efficient.
>>339474246
sup poorfag
>>339474147
It'll make the game boring as fuck.
Literally the only thing that keeps you playing is the faint hope you'll get some cool skins.
>>339471176
>mccree is pretty bad
Please stop posting your OC webm's guys. some are just embarrassing to watch
>>339474139
I think he just needs tweaking, increase the sentry gun reload time so that players have to plan out their reloads.
Mcfaggot should get nerfed into the gutter.
I don't care if he is unplayable after the nerfs.
>>339474246
>being poor
I'd tell you to kill yourself but you'll starve to death soon enough once Trump wins and cuts welfare
>>339468552
based reinhardt
>>339474147
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>>339474270
I let my roomate's brother play once, and he tried bastion. By whatever stroke of luck he happened to join a team that picked all bastion too and obviously they won, but it was a good first game for him to play
>>339474187
>you play Overwatch with retards like this
>>339474312
That's why you're not a game dev. You could probably do balancing for WoW though.
FIX THIS BLIZZARD
>>339474187
Confirmed for never played.
Idiot
>>339474409
he's saying that any competent McCree will start throwing the flashbang at your feet so that you can't reflect it and that you're playing against shitters.
>180 degree arc of damage which each click of mouse 1
>2,000 unit shield and 500 health
>charge that instanta kills all squishies
Is there any hero that takes less skill than Reinhardt?
>>339474238
>>339474213
>caring about objectives
tryhards detected, i bet you try and use tanks and healers like MLG esports to
i play to have fun not like it's a fuckin game of life and death lmao
>>339474412
t. McCree player
What will you play after the nerfs? Genji?
>>339474187
you can absolutely reflect it, pretty sure it doesnt have any direct hit properties and is just a 25dmg AoE stun.
>>339474476
Reinhardt is fucking awesome, fuck you.
HAMMER
DOWN
>>339474476
McCree
>>339474187
>>339474514
You can reflect the flashbang, the problem is that you actually have to reflect it.
McCree can just throw it on the ground. Which he will.
>>339474476
Lucio since he just needs to be alive to be useful. Reinhardt is extremely easy and good though. He's perfect.
None of the characters need to be nerfed, just some of the maps need to not be centered around one chokepoint.
>>339474625
>tfw lucio main
get shit on
>>339473568
Stop with trying to main anything, you will make your team lose fampai.
Does anyone else find D.Va's and Mercy's pistols incredibly fun and satisfying to use? With D.Va especially it feels better to be out of her suit than in it due to it.I haven't played any McCree so I assume he plays very similarly but with a hitscan weapon instead
>>339474507
Assmad Dva detected
I love McCree because I love playing the cowboy but the fact that little bratty shitters like you get mad for being stomped by him makes it all the sweeter
Even if babies get him nerfed, I'll keep playing him, and I'll keep killing you.
>>339474287
>>339474321
Blizzard shills this fucking mad
>>339468552
Dva and Reinhardt don't even compete in the same role, you low level shitter.
>>339474665
>tfw also a lucio main
I feel bad that i can't hit the side of a barn with his gun but then again it's not a god damn hitscan gun so there's that.
But in that same vein I wish his shockwave pushback worked on turret bastion and knocked him out of it
>>339474735
Did you even watch the webm?
>think Mei is cancerous
>She's my third most played character
>constantly have to pick her on defense because my team has too much offense
:/
>>339468801
>lucio isnt op, he is just one of the two healers
>two
>>339473886
But that's not how it works, matchmaking system forces a 50% win rate. If you're good, you will get saddled with the absolute greenest, dumbest motherfuckers the game can find until you lose enough to get back down, and then suddenly you'll get a "Fair" matchup and absolutely kick everything's ass.
Pic related, yesterday vs. today. You can group up, you can run solo, none of it matters to the matchmaking system. It will force you to 50%. I usually run with a group of 4, average level in the mid-30s, and it grouped us with a level 8 and a level 10 against a team of lv40-50s
>>339474760
I like his gun, then again I only use burst fire weapons in FPS games. You have to lead your shots.
McCree's ultimate only gets a lock-on choice for targets that were in Line of Sight at the point of activation.
Hanzo's ultimate charges at a slower rate.
Bastion's ultimate charges at a slower rate or he starts seeing an accuracy penalty at a shorter range in turret mode.
D.Va's cannons need to be more effective at longer range, more damaging at close range or she needs to lose the movement penalty while firing.
Give Lucio a small cooldown between changing grooves or changing grooves put a short cooldown on the amp.
Tracer's ultimate charges at a quicker rate.
That's how I feel, anyway.
>>339471176
>being this much of a shitter
>>339474840
>McCree's ultimate only gets a lock-on choice for targets that were in Line of Sight at the point of activation.
then there'd be no point in letting McCree move in his ultimate.
so many shit players this games so fucking garb its about teamwork not 1 character
>>339474703
You love playing him because he is braindead you just need to press E and LM.
>>339474805
>he's not good enough to have the system throw everything it can at him and still come out above 50%
TELL ME ABOUT THOSE PROS, ANON
>>339469656
>Hook, R1, dead.
>R1
Oh okay
>>339473852
Her boosters allow her to get just about anywhere on the map. Allows you to punish sniper roosts fairly effectively.
>>339474703
>literally being that 1v1 me fgt guy
>>339473371
>but he's clearly in another league at the highest level.
That's only because all pro sniper players were all cheaters using an aimbot
t. lmaobox
>>339474917
>people actually bitching about McCree's ultimate
There are very few good times to use it because you glow a bright fucking yellow and tend to either get your ult shielded or a bullet through your head. His ult is probably the worst part about him.
>>339471176
Shitter detected
McCree dumpsters any character
>>339474930
Half of my gold medal kills last match were from sniping shitters off the sidelines, but tell yourself whatever you need to make your deaths feel less embarrassing than they are.
>>339474805
>matchmaking system forces a 50% win rate
I bet you're the same kind of person who insists that the desire sensor in Monster Hunter is actually real.
>>339475041
>loud ass whistle
>giant super saiyan aura
>barely moves and takes a second before he can do damage
I don't understand how people can still complain and want more nerfs to his ultimate.
>>339475041
His ult is a fantastic spacer. A lot like Dva. You hear it, and everyone fucking scatters. Then you cancel it and start at 50% charge
>McCree
>unbeatable at close range
>tank killer
>has cc
>ult provides huge area denial
>mid range damage is still insane if you don't have an aim of a kid
>headshot does like insane damage
>100% use in competitive
nice hero blizzard
>>339466807
Play shitty game get shitty results
>>339474840
remove mccrees ability to cancel the ult with right click and only lose 50% meter (i think other chars can do this too and they shouldnt have it either)
bastion doesnt need to be nerfed
Reduce Lucios overall heal rate
>>339475069
>shitter
>69 maximum elimations as mcree
>21 average eliminations per game mcree
yeah ok kidddo
maybe one day you'll get gud
Is there anybody who's as good at this game as me?
>>339475112
you're so fucking good mate lmao fucking blizzcuck can't see the truth just like with WoW balance.
>>339474805
>be level 41
>win 4 games in a row
>reinstancing
>hit tab
>everyone else on my team is level 18 or lower including 2 sub-level 10's.
>enemy team is all level 30-47
>not today Blizzard
>leave game before character selection phase ends
>go take a piss
>come back and join another game
>estimated time 0:04 seconds
>2 minutes go by
>oh shit, they know
>get tossed onto another shitty team
I don't mind the 50% win thing if it tried to do WIN LOSE WIN LOSE. But I keep getting WIN WIN WIN WIN LOSE LOSE LOSE LOSE. It's fucking frustrating when I know it's time for my losing stretch since it's going to be multiple games of getting violated.
Bastion and McCree. Just my opinion of course, but it comes from a fair bit of ingame experience.
>>339475069
Holy fucking shit how green are you Anon.
If this game was cheaper I probably would buy it, as it stands now I'll probably wait a while. I mean, I enjoyed the Beta but I've got this feeling that I might enjoy it a week or two more then get tired of it.
A weekend wasn't really enough to make me realize if it would last, right now I'd actually love to play some Reaper and just pubstomp, but chances are that will get old very quickly.
>>339475226
Careful, amigo. That post almost makes it seem like you're going to have a stroke any second now.
Step outside into the fresh hair, take a few deep breaths, and count to ten. Rest up against a tree or something and come back inside once you've internalized and come to terms with the fact that you're a shitter who can't ever outmaneuver McCree.
>>339474231
>play with friends on Russian Map
>we all pick 76
>all sprint to the point not encountering a single enemy
>cap instantly
>all sprint to second point
>cap instantly
Literally the fastest game I've ever played
Honestly, McCree being good is needed because he is the only hard counter to Tracer and Genji.
>inb4 Winston
Trace and Genji have so much mobility that they can easily get away from the monkey.
We need a hero that silencer abilities and passives or something while still being able to shoot so not too op and being only counter to ability based heroes. This was McCree does not have to be so op himself.
>>339475335
The game is a lot of fun and stays that way for awhile. $40 isn't that much, and right now you'd be joining in on the current new game hype it has going for it.
Gauge interest by how long you played TF2.
Bastion is a glass cannon, worthless if the other team isn't retarded.
Genji and Tracer make him worthless, Junkrat can also deal with him with relative ease.
>>339475335
I already played like 30 hours and I feel like I got my money's worth. I'm playing less every day though
>>339474703
gay cowboy detected
bet brokeback mountain is your favorite movie cowboy
>>339475335
Just get it man, its worth 40 burger money if you play or used to play TF2 a lot
>>339475667My favorite movies are actually, unironically, the Dollars TrilogyI'm glad you asked
>>339475502
>silences in fps games
please go back to LoL, leaguebabby
>>339475502
Pretty much. If blizz decides to nerf McCree too much people will bitch about tracer and genji being op.
>>339475667
Brokeback Mountain is a classic...what are you even trying to say?
that you're a pleb?
>>339475664
same here less and less games getting a bit boring now especially since u dont have anything to work on
hey we got coool stuff u can get.....................................but u can also just buy boxes to unlock everything cause we failed at titan and need $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>>339475760
>snares
>stuns
>slows
>knock backs
>ultimates
The game has every other CC form mobas have.
>>339475662
A good bastion can fucking wreck you but with every hero, having a good one is rare. Most bastions fucking put themselves in the open with their weak spot (that blue square) exposed so they get fucking rekt.
>>339475826
Just get Battleborn then. It has a boatload of more content than Overwatch.
>>339475892
nice try Todd
>>339475892
i have it and its garbage
>>339475760
I don't see how it is a problem. Like I said: I mean only stop you from using abilities for a short time. You can still shoot and stuff so it wouldn't really be effective against heroes like Widowmaker
>>339475127
Because it gets Potg EVERY FUCKING GAME
This means it's significantly more useful than the majority of everyone else's ulti's, hence why it needs to be nerfed, or everyone else buffed
>>339475826
Competitive mode will be coming out shortly for a longer goal since having fun isn't enough for some people
>>339474950
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Reapers countersniping widowmakers. I watched useless D.va ults glitter in the dark near the Hanamura Gate. All these games will be lost in time, like salt...on...forums. Time to cry.
Seriously. It's amazing how bad people can be and it makes you such a better player when you're playing every game 4 v 6.
After capping Hanamura A on offense, I had a 76 get lost in the town area for AT LEAST three minutes.
I had a bastion who spent literally five minutes watching the same short side hallway on Hollywood final stretch (that never sees the objective) and once he finally got a kill, he died to junkrat's death grenades. He never went turret form again.
I had a McCree who literally thought Hollywood was king of the hill and couldn't figure out why the point wasn't capping.
I had a widowmaker that never used their scope and instead charged in guns blazing.
I had a symmetra that made their turret nest right outside in the spawn room on king's row defense (still underground) "So we wouldn't get spawn camped".
>>339475961
>playing like a retard
>being matched with retards
Sorry anon, looks like you're helpless.
Forced 50 is just a meme, right?
R-right?
>>339475335
multiplayer games get worse the longer they're out
playing some hours now will be worth more than waiting for a pricedrop
>people who don't know the meta
Things you should always play:
McCree (if you're good), Widowmaker (if you're good), Reinhardt, Lucio. Winston is in this weird area where 1 of him is awful but 2 of him is godlike
Situational picks:
-s.76 if you just aren't sure where you need to be but don't need a tank.
-Mercy for amped damage and NOTHING else
-Pharah and Junkrat for clearing, though Junkrat is better
-Roadhog for extra crowd control
-Tracer for anything KotH or if you have a good one that can just blow up a team without even getting close to dying
Things you should never play:
-Bastion, Genji, D. Va, Hanzo
Is this a better game than TF2? Never played it.
>>339476024
It's way too fucking easy to use for the amount of kills it racks up. Getting a lot of instant kills with your ulti should not be this fucking easy. Look at fucking D.Va
Way too early for any balance talk. Aside from McCree.
>>339475961
>Because it gets Potg EVERY FUCKING GAME
but that's Bastion doing its thing
>>339476204
Old TF2, no. Modern TF2, yes.
>>339476181
you're an idiot and u dont know what you are talking about
go die
>>339476204
It requires somewhat more skill than TF2, but that's not really a good thing.
>>339475978
>I had a widowmaker that never used their scope and instead charged in guns blazing.
I like this widowmaker
>>339476304
Stay pub
>>339476224
>easy to get kills
If your team is retarded. Many times McCree ends up with one maybe two kills tops with his ult. It plays a loud noise, singles out the guy, and takes a bit for it to activate. If you teammates can't hide, disable, or kill him before he locks onto everyone then they're shit.
>>339476204
If you want your skills to matter and you want your aim to make a difference go play TF2
If you want to press q at the right time to do massive damage play overwatch
>>339466807
Lucio and mcree yes. the others? nah lad you're bad
>>339475978
Real talk, I'm >>339473886
I know the pain. I know your plight. The Absolute fucking shitshow that is this games playerbase and what Blizzard will do to try to make everyone a winner. Walking into a koth with 3 torbs on your team who all babysit their turrets, which aren't even close to the cap.
Running into a pre-made lucio, mercy,widow, mccree, rein + winston on Hollywood and noticing your team has 2 genji who don't even know that they can climb walls
I get the pain, anon
playing this garbage game instead of tw warhammer fucking sheep plebs
>>339475219
It wasnt high noon here, and you were dealing retards that wont bother where STEP ASIDE comes from.
>>339471674
>being underage
>>339473568
>There is literally nothing wrong with maining D.Va
Aside from D.Va being the single worst character in the game sure. When you pick D.Va you are choosing someone that is outperformed by at least 4 other characters in whatever it is you are trying to do.
>>339476224
Getting multiple kills with any ultimate involves catching people off guard. If you die to D.Va ult ever then you were either sleeping at the wheel or were severely distracted somehow (cc abilities, combat, etc).
>>339476529
That's Mcree skill I can actually respect, not that fucking ulti
>>339476529
>McCree does more damage at close range than Reaper
Why is this allowed
>>339476639
>single worst character
I think she's probably competing for that with maybe Genji or Zenyatta.
>>339474805
I dunno, I think /v/ is just bad at vidgames, i'm averaging a good 58% and i'm not even playing particularly well or anything
justgit gud
>>339475826
>tfw all games you own are too boring so you don't really play games anymore
Overwatch filled the game void for me but i don't know for how long
>>339469656
>don't get close to him and you're fine.
>balance
kill vrself
>>339476529
>MFW I've been playing McCree all wrong.
I've been trying to play him like an Ambassador Spy using M1 for hedshawtz. Welp.
I'm glad you shitters are not on the balance team. Your solution is to nerf everything.
>>339471923
Right along with Widowmaker, Hanzo, Roadhog, it's not uncommon.
>>339476639
D'Va's ulti needs a buff. It takes fucking forever to SD and absolutely everyone and their mother has enough time to avoid it.
At least make her stop announcing it, just the sound of overcharging should be enough. THEN it might be able to catch some people off guard
>nerfing Reinhardt
>nerfing the most balanced class in the game
>>339476749
>download snes emulator
>download 400 games
>be set for the next year
>>339476808
Nah. Man. Fan in the general direction of what you want to hit and get free kills
>>339476685
>skill you can respect
>aims in general area and hits m2
The name of the webm is even making fun of it. The ult is only decent, and you're shit for falling for it constantly.
>>339469270
>tfw top 100 Torbjorn
You leave my fucking Rivet gun alone Blizz >:l
>>339476890
>Rebind Secondary Fire to M1 and Primary Fire to M2
And now you will play McCree well.
>>339476876
Don't mean to break it to you but playing 30 year old games isn't something normal people enjoy doing very much
>>339471498
>McCree destroys the whole cast at mid-close range.
Roadhog consistently destroys McCree in a 1v1.
He can chain you way before you can flashbang him and then instakill you. It's got a faster cooldown too.
He's got enough health to take a full fan no problem, he can get hit with the stun and hit you with the hook before you can finish the fan and kill you.
S76 also beats out McCree at mid range.
>>339476529
ITT: Not knowing how hacks work
>auto fires when u put the crosshair directly on them
>>339476940
If you're a normal shit go be on normiebook, games aren't for you fucktard
>>339476943
>being retarded
FlashCree just uses e and then fans soldier. Roadhog still dies because McCree roll reloads the gun so he can do 2 full fans just in time for Roadhog to maybe get one shot in.
>>339471736
Neither needs nerfs.
The rest need buffs.
>>339471403
Russian lady of tumblr pandering I guess. Tho I never had problems with her.
>>339466807
Why is everyone so shit at this casual as fuck gayme they keep making threads thinking character X needs to get nerfed because they can't beat him.
Really, people. According to /v/ every Overshit character needs a nerf.
>>339476710
Not at all. Genji is actually alright, a pretty mid-tier dude. Zenyatta is weak too but what he can contribute is still mostly unique (high dps debuff/heal support). D.Va is supposed to be a high mobility flanker and disruptor, but Tracer, Reaper, Winston (biggest competition), and Genji are all straight up more effective at it for various reasons.
>>339476820
The ultimate isn't what needs buffing. Here are the problems with D.Va
- She has movement speed penalty while firing
- Her damage falloff is SEVERE. Seriously outside of point blank she is not a threat unless the target is knocked off of a cliff or is ultra squishy or low on health
- Her crit spot is absolutely massive and is right in the center of her mass
- Defense Matrix completely disables her from attacking while only protecting her from frontal attacks
All of these factors basically mean that she can either be killed on the spot or ignored altogether. As someone that genuinely loves playing D.Va, she is trash
>>339476529
>retards all fight you one at a time
>you walk around the car while reloading rather than ducking behind it
>you don't follow widow with your aim while reloading instead you look at the ground
>fan the hammer and pray
TF2 player spotted
>>339477059
Nah, if roadhog hooks mccree, he's done without contest. If mccree flashes roadhog, hog had about a 1 second window to hook before he's dead
>>339476943
McCree's stun is much faster than the hook though.
Regardless, McCree that still leaves a competant McCree as being the second most dominant character by far in close range, AND the second most dominant character by far at medium range, which is fucking retarded.
>>339476974
Do you really need fucking hacks to do that? It's a fan, the accuracy is fuckall.
It drives me crazy that his stun grenade locks you in place instead of just being a blinding flash, that and it works even throwing it behind someone. Like, what the fuck, you blinded the back of someone's calf?
>>339476896
I'm not falling for it constantly. But every time there's a Mcree on the team, the Potg goes to his fucking stupid ass ulti taking out a bunch of stupid ass people. It should not be this easy to get this many instant kills. It needs to be nerfed
>>339476940
>normal
leave faggot
>>339476876
i did that when i had a shit pc and was like 15 yrs old
hows was school btw summer started i see
>>339477087
Oh yeah right
>SJW LGBT hero
Uhhhh... Her shield is seriously annoying. It prevents you from murdering the shielded one, be it herself or someone else. Good thing is she can only shield one person at a time. It feels like nobody can play her, or it's just me not having yet met any good Russian Bear players.
>>339476778
>I died to McCree again
>Better cry to /v/ instead of gitting gud
>>339477132
Yeah. D.Va is the one in the biggest need of a buff right now.
>>339477110
/thread
>>339476974
That's his alternate fire, you fucking retard.
>>339477232
>should not be this easy to get this many instant kills
You're right. It's like there aren't 2 giant signs when he ults so everyone knows it's going on. Or that he gets a severe movement speed loss when he uses it...or that he has to have vision of everyone for a second
You suck, anon. Just quit playing the game.
>>339473867
>make mcgriddles pan the jammer innaccurate
Might as well just fucking remove it then, all its good for is point blank fuckery with the stun bomb
>>339473874
Need to make Lucios main shot "reverb" off walls and reduce damage per bounce since it moves so slow, sounds like it would make it better for overwhelming a chokepoint so didn't get relegated to running around his team pushing stuff
>>339477310
>someone wants to nerf the character I play because I suck total dog ass as anyone else
>better tell them to the character is fine and to just get gud
>>339477251
if after all that you still don't know what you like enough to seek out more shit you have a learning disorder
>>339477059
>FlashCree just uses e and then fans soldier
Lol, what do you think the range is on that thing. Enjoy getting gunned down and wasting your only hope.
>Roadhog still dies because McCree roll reloads the gun so he can do 2 full fans
Ok, thanks for letting us know you don't play.
Even if Roadhog gets hit, he can hit McCree with GET OVER HERE! in the middle of his first fan, if he ever even needs to let him get that close.
Mathematically, yeah, McCree can kill Roadhog with 2 fans.
Too bad he'll be instagibbed before he even gets the first one off. shift>lmb>melee =instantly dead McCree before he can even do a full fan.
And you can even hit him with that before he's even hoping to be in range of it.
>>339477132
You're playing her wrong. Her roll is chasing down and picking off targets that can't fight back effectively, either because they're wounded and need to retreat to heal, or not much of a threat up close. Her charge > melee > shots at what is temporarily point blank combo is more than sufficient to do this. Played right she can make sure that anybody who steps out of line at all is chased down and punished HARD.
Overall, she's still weak, but far from trash.
>>339477209
>McCree's stun is much faster than the hook though.
Yeah, but it's way shorter distance.
And Roadhog can eat a flashbang and still win.
McCree gets hit, and it's all over.
>>339469601
> Counter with 3 junkrats 2 random and 1 reinhardt
>>339477427
>implying a decent McCree will ever fight at mid range
They close the gap and go for the kill. It's easy.
>>339477310
>git gud
That's not a valid argument though. The entire reason people call him overpowered is because there is literally nothing you can do; he has a definite combo. "Don't get close" is also invalid when every game mode centers around an area only twice as long as the range of his stun.
>>339466807
>Overshill thread
>stupid facebook memes
die, faggots
>>339477530
And a decent S76 won't recognize who he's fighting and keep his distance?
Especially since McCree is maybe one of the overall slowest characters in the game?
>>339477427
You play comp?
Copy pasta this:
Swap Bastion 's ult and turret
Tank mode is now regular move. Faster mobility but weaker cannon shots and needs to reload. Cannot self repair in this mode
Turret mode is now Ult. Unlimited ammo, Frontal shield is back. Only last a few seconds so camping is not possible.
>tfw you place the turret just right
>>339477474
>And Roadhog can eat a flashbang and still win.
>Fan
>Roll
>Fan
>>339477389
so? im the retard who give a hist its right mouse click HAHAHAH what a fucking retard HE THINK I MEANT HE CLIKING FAST HAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABEING THAT RETARDED THANK YOU FOR THE LELS HAHAHAHAH
>>339477412
YEAH THEY SURE DO NEED TO BUFF LUCIO
>>339477558
>The entire reason people call him overpowered is because there is literally nothing you can do; he has a definite combo.
I don't see Roadhog getting nerf requests when he can instagib people at distances way outside of McCrees with his hook wombo combo.
>"Don't get close" is also invalid when every game mode centers around an area only twice as long as the range of his stun.
There's plenty of long stretches, and heights and shit. It's how Widowmaker and Hanzo can wreck him all day by taking advantage of such places. Hell, McCree is slow and has few mobility options, most of them can run circles around him, or just hang out in places he can never even hope to get to.
A McSkill that can actually aim and land his primary fire is one of the most awful things in the game to face and I wish that hell on no one. Learn to aim with your M1, don't crutch yourself by simply spamming M2. Trust me.
>>339477429
Winston does exactly this and far more effectively. I know how to play D.Va, it's why I compare her to other high mobility flankers. D.Va is shit at it compared to all of them.
>>339477423
what ? you sound confused buddy
all these summer fags getting lost in the 4chan
>>339477635
>Roadhog eats flashbang
>Fan
>GET OVER HERE
>Dead
FTFY
>>339477409
It's complete area denial in a game that focuses on objectives that require you to stand out in the fucking open, with significant damage dropoff on most characters who aren't capable of doing 200 damage in that span of time, and most of the characters unable to get out of the way in the time between him starting the ult and using it.
And if it's a bad time to use it, he just cancels it and gets 50% of his ult back, after everyone runs the fuck away off the point/payload because there's nothing else for anyone to fucking do.
>>339477635
>flashbang
>fan
>no longer stunned
>hook mccree mid roll since no i-frames
>shoot + melee combo
McCree is broken as fuck, but 1v1 roadhog should not lose that fight
>>339477629
Such potential!
>>339477698
Roadhog hook requires accuracy.
I just want flashbang to require a direct hit to stun me.
>>339466807
Stop being a fag and learn the game OP
The only thing that needs to be nerfed is the character selection limit..
>>339477698
>I don't see Roadhog getting nerf requests when he can instagib people at distances way outside of McCrees with his hook wombo combo.
Hook has travel time and is slower than flash.
It's easy as fuck to see a whiffed hook and rush him down when he doesn't have it.
Hook also makes you vulnerable as fuck.
Comparing the two is stupid.
>>339477702
This is what McCree supposed to be.
Why did they give him spammable instakill?
>>339477775
McCree is strong, but not broken. He's got counters. The reason you see him so much in competitive is because of the synergy he has with Lucio, Mercy and Reinhardt, not because he by himself is just doing the trick. Outside of that very specific combination, McCree is very beatable and manageable threat.
ITT: crying for the most casual piece of shit game there is out there
>Cant see whos the shit player on the team
>Shitty voiting system
> shitty auto aim
> shitty fag of the game
>shitty lets press Q
shitty life shitty mad u mad?
>>339477748
Not reliably doable in practice unless the McCree was retarded / throwing from literal point blank / waiting for confirmation of the stun
>>339477775
>since no i-frames
Any form of fast movement in this game might as well have i-frames because of how garbage the netcode is though.
Technically you can hit a McCree mid-roll, but it's practically impossible between the netcode and the need to predict where he's going to roll.
>>339477558
>>339477419
ROADHOG
O
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O
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Now seriously though, any tank fucks him over big time. He's a menace to any damage-dealer. Gitting gud is a legitimate argument since it includes understanding counters.Yes you can counter him.No this doesn't include complaining here or replying to this post, asking me whether I suck dick or not.
Also this: >>339477698
McCree is the slowest of all heroes in the "Offense" part. Despite the fact that he got a roll, it's not making him overall faster, and thus he is extremely prone to being sniped.
He's just the same as Bastion in Beta, people just complain until they understand how easy he is to counter.No I don't play McRightclick
>>339477936
Well dont play it then and fuck off from this thread.
i love how the mcree fags only argument is 1 hero can counter him hahahaahahah
also literally just bait the hook and win
>>339477925
Outside of an arguable roadhog, fucking who counters him?
>>339477925
That'd be true if this weren't an objective based game with forced melee-range encounters. He can instantly delete most any character without needing to be accurate and without them having a chance to fight back. All while he defends or attacks an objective
>>339477997
implying i do KEK shitty mad u mad?
>>339477702
I swear that thing has no spread. Also, in the NA LAN event over the weekend, McCree being play by people who can actually was so disgusting. I even saw 3 McCrees on one team even lmao
>>339477978
>1 hero in the game
>he's viably counterable guys!
>you literally need to run a roadhog at all times incase the enemy has or switches to a McCree
Alright.
>>339478001
Yee dude mcgree sucks the dick and eats da poo poo
>Top4
>Diva
>Roadhog
>Reaper
>Lucio
Reinhardt does not require a nerf. He is a reliable CCer.
>>339477858
>Roadhog hook requires accuracy.
Have you seen some of that bullshit that hook does?
>>339477898
Hook also has about 10x the range flash has. It's got a faster cooldown too. By the time McCree's slow ass actually catches up to Roadhog, he'd get another shot at it, and McCree would have to roll to even try to hope to catch up.
You people cry about a instakill combo that requires you to pretty much be making out with the guy, and pretty much only makes McCree good at really tight close combat, instead of just being kind of a shitter at everything else.
It's like crying about how Widowmaker can 1 shot people from across the map. How dare a sniper be able to snipe! How dare a CC powerhouse be able to wreck people up close, and pretty much be only mildly annoying outside of it!
No character should be nerfed, every character can equally piss you off, deal with it. The only thing I think should be done is make Mei's freeze ray thing take longer against tankier heroes (i.e. more health, the longer it takes to freeze them)
But seriously people need to learn how to counter. McRee is godlike in cqb so dont get that close to him unless youre a character who can counter him like reaper, gengi, or mei. Otherwise use range to your advantage. I swear people act like hes so rediculous but hes weak health wise and range wise, yeah maybe he can poke you mid-long range but 76, widow, hanzo, reinhardt, d.va, roadhog, zenyatta, and pharrah exist, so what is everyone crying about exactly?
>>339476056
I'm level 57, and I'm @ 54.7%, I'll go on a spree of wins and then get super super shitter teams and lose lose lose.
It sucks but I am starting to think there really is a hidden MMR. It's even worse when I'm teamed.
>>339478206
You can nitpick roadhog hook accuracy ask you want, it factually requires more player accuracy than both flash and fan
>>339477771
it's complete area denial to retards
literally any competent team will kill him or break los
>IT'S HIGH NOON
if you have a widow he's dead
if you have a phara he's dead
if you have rein he's going to cry a lot and then he's dead
if you have a winston he's going to cry a lot and then he's dead
if you have a hanzo he's dead
if you have a d.va he's going to cry a lot and then he's dead
if you have a roadhog he's dead
these are just the ones that are guaranteed to be able to kill him before he gets lethal damage on his ulti, or guarantee that his ulti is disrupted
the only catch is that they have to be paying attention
so if you have any of those guys and you hear "it's high noon" and then you die well you know for sure you're in the trench
Even if McCree isn't overpowered because he's counterable or whatever, he's still absolute fucking cancer because an engagement with him is not skill based at all. Overwatch is a multiplayer shooter; it's inherently complex and with a large amount of variable that factor into any engagement with an enemy. McCree, however, ignores everything in close range engagement and just has a free kill. This is a bad thing for a skill based game to have.
tl;dr this isn't a fucking moba
>>339478036
Widowmaker and Hanzo laugh at McCree as they kill him from a mile away in a place he can't even get to, I can't tell you how many times I've just reflected McCree's flashbang as Genji and let him kill himself.
>>339478080
>I swear that thing has no spread
McSkill's Fan the Hammer is accurate as fuck at midrange. If I were to change him I'd give Fan a cooldown (think Lucio M2) and increase the spread. The flash bang isn't really a problem and most kills that he gets with Flash Bang can be done just as easily without because of how powerful his M2 is.
>>339478096
>1 hero
>implying that roadhog is the only tank
zozzle
>Reinhardt vs McDick
Sustains enough until the CC wears out, pops shield back up or shifts into him.
>Zarya vs McShit
Shield blocks incoming damage wololo
>Roadhog vs McRightclickHooksHooksTHE GAME
>D.Va vs HIGH NOON
Defensive Matrix blocks Flashbang and all incoming shots.
General tips against McFuck:
Don't be that guy who runs alone all the way forward.
>"WHY IS NOBODY AT THE CART"
Wait up for the team, walk together. He sucks against groups.
Use CC before he uses his. Mei's freeze, Reinhardts Q, Roadhogs hook etc.
Increasing the range between him and you allows you to gain the upper hand relatively quick.
>>339469601
In pubs yes, but you need at least 1 support for it to work. I've played a few games where the attackers haven't even been able to capture the first point.
>>339478001
They only present you with theoretical situations that can easily be avoided if you have a lick of sense in your playing.
They also seem to think that there's only McRee and the other player on the map. That's why people stack McRee's, if you kill one of them the other one will stun you and do the job.
>>339478159
>He is a reliable CCer
>in a shooter
That is exactly the reason he does require a nerf, though.
>>339478290
Only if you're at it's max range.
Which it won't matter how accurate flashbang and fan are since they are too far away to matter, which hook can still hit.
If you're talking at the dryhump ranges flashbang needs it's about the same at that point.
>>339478348
Forgot about Monkey
>WINston vs McCreep
Barrier. Barrier all the way.
>>339478314
>McCree, however, ignores everything in close range engagement and just has a free kill.
Unless he runs into Roadhog or Genji plays it smart of just reflects and lets McCree kill himself.
>>339478290
>implying it takes any accuracy
>hover the crosshair over the general area of your opponent for the hitscan to do the rest for you and the hook them halfway across the area for free one-shot kill
The hook range is bullshit. Not to mention he just chews through other tanks.
>>339478407
Flashbang can be thrown at mccrees feet at dryhump range and still work.
This isn't opinion, this is fact. Hook requires more player accuracy than both flash and fan
>>339478290
Not only that, but because of netcode even if you land the hook, sometimes it fucks up and puts the person above you or to the side.
>>339478001
>i love how the mcree fags only argument is 1 hero can counter him
Roadhog, Widowmaker, Hanzo hard counter McCree, Roadhog just can do it right in McCree's face. The others just one shot him from across the map.
>>339478451
> mccree going for direct hit flash against a genji
I thought people claimed they didn't play vs shitters?
>>339478159
>That dumb Mercy sticking his beam on shielded Rein
>But not when he charges
Even if there was no one else around, she could at least spam her pistol or remove the turrets
>>339478451
You are missing the fucking point you autist.
It's not a matter of the one or two engagements that counter him back and he loses, it's that all of the engagements that he wins have a complete lack of player agency from either party. He presses E, he presses M2, and you die. There's no real chance to outplay him unless he's utter garbage. Counterplay isn't bad, but it definitely shouldn't be absolute in a shooter like this.
Again, this isn't a moba, and counterplay shouldn't be a substitute for gameplay.
>>339478535
Which still tends to result in dead McCree, Roadhog just aims a little high or to the side and melees and gets the same result.
And then he has a nice victory drink to forget about that half fan he got off.
>>339478571
Yeah mate that's why he is used so much in competitive. :^) also...
>hanzo
literally worst hero and worse widowmaker in every way
>>339478319
>Genji
Kek, any non retarded Mccree knows he can throw the flashbang at the floor so he can't reflect it
>>339478451
>Reflecting Flash Bangs
You fought retarded McCrees that just Flash > M2 > Roll > M2 on autopilot. It kills me when I see McCrees catch someone from behind that they can freely fan and they flashbang them anyway.
>>339478324
>lego D-va
Amazing. Any chance you have the instruction to do it?
>>339478451
>Does better than Roadhog at close range
>throws the flashbang at the floor preventing reflection
McCree is easy and can just side step to beat every character in the game
>>339478683
>it's that all of the engagements that he wins have a complete lack of player agency from either party.
Just like Widowmaker, and Hanzo from 1 shots from across the map, Roadhogs chain combos, Tracer sticky bombs, and several other ults.
Yeah, there's a lot of that instant kill shit with nothing you can do about it. I don't know why you whiners are so buttmad about McCree in particular when Widowmaker can do it from 100x the distance and without even having to press more than one button.
>>339467115
This guy has it right. Widow, McCree and Lucio are the only ones in need of a nerf.
I would also like for a rework of Mei and Bastion though, they're just annoying and pretty unfun to deal with even though they're not very good.
There isn't really one character that needs a nerf right now. Maybe slight ones.
Lucio's good just on design. Unless they're going to make him shit to offset designing him too well he should be left mostly alone.
Bastion is fine as is and this is a case of people needing to git gud or change classes. Bitching about him and McRee are the go to signs that someone hasn't played the game for very long and or eternally sucks.
Reinhardt is literally perfect as is.
McRee is fine. He's slow as hell, his ultimate is horrible 90% of the time, and there's a lot of situations where another character would be infinitely more useful. All the theoretical napkin plays in the world aren't going to change the fact that you were either the wrong class or were outplayed.
>>339478887
Please see >>339478717
>>339478850
Because it takes infinite more skill for a widow to instant than it does a mccree.
Infinite
>>339478348
>>339478348
>Tanks
>countering a hero with the highest close range damage in the game
>Reinhardt
Both of those are countered by *rolls behind you*
>Zarya
So he waits until the shield wears off, or the shield is on cooldown before engaging.
>D.Va
"Oh I'm just going to throw my flashbang while you have your nice big shield up"
>Use CC before he uses his
The fact that you have to use CC on him in particular is pretty much admitting that he's broken.
>>339478717
>competitive
>>339478952
Nice counter argument. So we should balance the game around shitters?
Guys I faced a scrub McCree! Totally not op
>>339472618
>12k healing on one attack/def
>>339478938
Actually, mccree can throw the flash above rein shield.
Zarya is obvious
Dva is obvious
Winston is beyond obvious, he literally has to run first chance he gets
Roadhog is only character on roster with chance
Reinhardt greentext story:
>Play only Reiny-roo in open beta
>Get into a match with a dude who refuses to switch heros
>Fuck you, it's dual Reinhardt time
>Absolutely annihilate opposing team by both playing well
>'Hey, Rein-ran, you're breddy gud at Reining.'
>'You're not so bad yourself'
>proceed to duo reinhardt together for 6 or 7 games
>destroy team, watch eachothers backs, and play smart
>best rando-dude I've ever played with
I hope you are well, my friend.
>>339478798
No, sadly
>>339478823
Genji is a maybe if they ground hit.
Roadhog just rapes him. Like, you're going to die. He's the one person McCree can have the upper hand to in a close quarters scenario and still get his shit handed to him.
>>339478717
Again, it's a synergy thing.
McCree gets all of the bad things about him covered by the other members of the team, which is the only reason it works there. He doesn't need to be anything else than DPS.
McCree is slow, has no defense, can't heal, and can't deal at distance.
Fortunately, these no longer are problems when the team makes him mobile (Lucio) heals him and buffs him (Mercy) gives him all the defense he can handle (Reinhardt) and covers any issues at distance (Widowmaker)
Which is why the 2 McCrees, Lucio, Mercy, Reinhardt and Widowmaker is top, because everyone is covering up everyone elses weaknesses.
You suddenly forget that McCree is this really defenseless slow moving target because of that very particular set up that once he's outside of it, becomes laughable.
Just don't try to fist fight him and you'll be wiping out McCrees in no time.
>>339478717
Why is D.Va the least used tank? I thought she was pretty good.
>>339478850
Plenty of people do complain about Widowmaker though, and snipers in any game. But regardless, she requires (or should require, if the netcode and hit detection wasn't a fucking joke) some actual skill to be able to reliably kill you in one shot. There is also a significant element of using cover and avoiding major sight lines.
>Roadhog
Also cancer for all the same reasons as McCree.
>Ults
Very few are actually instant kill unless they're in a very good position, which is actually an element of gameplay. Also, they're at least all on a somewhat major cooldown and not just part of the moment-to-moment gameplay.
>>339478717
Source: underside of nuts
>>339479104
Teams are also running one mcree a lot! It does not matter the mode or the map because he is in every single game!
McCree
>play Call of Juarez from humble bundle
>decide to try mctitties to see how he is
>decide to only pick mcREEEEE every game since its casual and doesn't fucking matter
>became a McSkill, M1 with him is godlike
>flashbang can be used to catch slippery targets
>flash genjis feet so he cant reflect
>flash right above Reinhardts shield and fuck him up
McCree is probably one of the better heroes, maybe even top 3, only thing he lacks is mobility but fuck he is fun
>>339479014
>This meta in 2 weeks of play is totally set in stone.
If this were Street Fighter 2 we'd haven't even made it to the age of combos.
>>339472618
>>339479060
I'm not even sure what you're memeing about.
You can heal only as much damage as your team takes.
The only relevant metric is the percent of total damage.
Symmetry 's teleporter needs to have a higher use limit.
Or just fucking remove the limit altogether and only remove it when the enemy destroys it.
>>339479104
>covers any issues at distance (Widowmaker)
um how is McCree getting sniped unique to McCree? Widow is a sniper against all heroes, that's her job.
>>339479184
>only thing he lacks is mobility
Mobility, defensive options, and any sort of self healing/recovery, but yeah, he's a lot of fun for the sheer damage output he's got.
6 bullets. More than enough to kill anything that moves.
>>339478887
this.
>>339478938
>Waits until shield wears off
Not like she is also dealing damage or something.
>Flashbang anyways cause kek
Incoming shots still blocked, and the Flashbong most likely too cause muh trajectory. Will be mowed down a straight second after that.
I can't convince you to understand that the character set is fine as is. But you could stop shitposting the same thing day after day, because you will always recieve the same answer. Idk man, start a petition, complain to Blizzard or stop whining I guess.
Or be the one who manages to find the top counter to him. Idc.
>>339479189
Hello! We had tournaments in closed and open beta, bandwagoner
>>339479189
Street Fighter 2 was also before the age of widespread internet. Information travels faster, optimum strategies get worked out quicker.
>>339479184
An easy nerf to mcree is by making flash an actual flash and not a fucking stun grenade
>>339479296
>beta
>BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBETA
>all the character changes
>BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
>>339479153
>>>Roadhog
>Also cancer for all the same reasons as McCree.
Roadhog is one of the worst characters in the game
>>339478717
fuck that shit I want to see usage on winning teams only
>>339479381
Because he charges enemy ults retarded fast. Not for damage and cc reasons
>>339479132
Her critical/head area consists of about 45% of her body
>>339479352
Yes, blizzard held tournaments all the time in the betas so they could do balance changes. How fucking new are you? These players haven't only had 2 fucking weeks to get accustomed with the heroes you retard
>>339479240
Because other characters can move rapidly (Pharah, Widowmaker, Tracer, ect), heal themselves (S76, Tracer ect) , or put up defenses (Reaper, Mei, ect)
McCree pretty much can just move slowly and get shot. His roll only moves like 2 feet, it's more for the speed reload than actually getting his ass out of trouble.
Getting sniped is dangerous to a lot of people, but it's especially dangerous for McCree since he doesn't have any options about it that most of the other cast does.
lucio is horrible you idiots
i dont have time for this
>>339479132
she's not bad, she's just the worst tank.
>>339479430
McCree and Lucio are both used by winning and losing teams. They are too good that are used in every single map and every single mode
>>339479267
>implying her damage is reliable enough to kill before her shield runs off
Maybe he she hits every tick with her or you've fed her to 100% charge, but the hit detection with her is generally garbage. All in all though she at least stands a chance purely through being one of the stronger characters
>Flashbang anyways cause kek
What are you even saying here
>He's fine as is
Like, I get you don't want your sick main nerfed, but he's blatantly broken and literally everyone is aware of this.
>>339479432
It's for that AND damage and cc reasons. A Roadhog without a hook is dramatically weaker. His fire rate, ammo capacity, and reload time sare abyssmal, he has no movement options, and is fuckall useless against teams that move as a group.
>>339479475
>phara has comparatively good defense against widowmaker to mcree
alright stop
get out
>>339469735
Lol,
One Zen counters both of them.
>>339479381
I wasn't trying to call him overpowered, I was calling him badly designed and a negative influence on the game. Read up the reply chain.
>>339479132
Range on her guns is really bad, like half of the front of her mech counts as a headshot so the health disentigrates, she moves slow while shooting, her boost gives her mobility but she can't go to someplace high and shoot from high up, and you can't attack during defense matrix.
Then they nerfed her pistol since the beta, so she's almost worse surviving than just dying and respawning.
>>339479339
Just shut the fuck up Freedom Fight.
>>339479592
Lol,
one bodyshot counters Zen
Lucio needs a nerf, badly.
McCree needs a flashbang nerf as well, but Lucio takes priority. He's the only hero that is basically mandatory right now, the team with him will always beat the team without.
I said back in beta, they needed to keep his health nerf, but NOOO "I actually have to use my brain to survive with him now!" people cried enough to have it reverted and now he's dominating like I said he would.
No one ever fucking listens to me.
>>339479536
>A Roadhog without a hook is dramatically weaker.
Good thing it's on a five fucking second cooldown then.
>Fire rate, ammo capacity, and reload times are abyssmal
Which are offset by his gun being able to one hit most characters. Like shit man at least point out his D.Va tier damage falloff which is more of the downside.
>the character with the ability to pull people out of a group is weak against teams that move as a group
Alright
>>339478887
>my opinions are facts
This is how most of this thread reads.
There is a reason why competitive players are spamming Lucio, McRee and Winston.
I mean, fine, let your precious McRee be, but at least buff the other characters to same level as the top picks.
It's like people want this game to stay the way it is because no one wants to admit they could be wrong, even if by even a little.
>>339479749
Weird that the whole internet and a developer didn't listen to you individually. Are you sure you yelled loud enough?
>>339479756
Reinhardt exists to make roadhog have to flank, which roadhog fucking sucks at, which is partially why roadhog is so garbage in the current meta
Anyone who thinks Widowmaker needs a nerf are scrubs that think this is a MOBA and not a FPS.
Rein and Mei can block her, Genji and Reaper can easily flank and kill her, she can be counter sniped, and Pharah and Junkrat can knock her off her perch. And Roadhog can hook her.
And before anyone says "but her rifle is so good when it isn't scoped too," if you're any offensive class and Widow kills you with her rifle, you're fucking bad. You're also bad if you're s76 and another s76 kills you in a straight up fight (worse than him at least). If you can't kill a sniper at close range that you have the drop on, that doesn't mean the sniper is overpowered, it means you suck. Snipers are incredibly powerful but are forced to have tunnel vision. If you can't exploit that then you need to quit playing FPS games.
It's not like she's a sniper in CoD that can one shot you at a full sprint while turning a corner.
>>339479531
>Your sick main
I don't even main him. I mained Bastion in the Beta cause pubstomp zoz. Right now I swap through the characters as the situation requires, and I'm fairly happy with that.
>"Oh I'm just going to throw my flashbang while you have your nice big shield up"
I was referring to that. The defensive matrix blocks that shit.
>>339479894
>sniper forced tunnel vision
>she gets wallhacks
Lol
McCree
>Flashbang only stuns on direct hit
>Fan the Hammer does 20% less damage
>Fan the Hammer has a 3 second cooldown
Lucio
>Reduced base HP from 200 to 175
Widowmaker
>Stopped unscoping and rescoping giving a faster firing speed
>Increased charge time
>Increased sniper ammo cost from 3 per bullet to 6 per bullet
>>339479841
Yes, I made several threads about it on the forum.
Lucio shitters just don't want to actually have to do anything and want free wins.
On that note the only thing that is objectively poorly designed is Junkrat's death bombs, since it rewards the player for dying without requiring any skill or resources.
>>339469656
And that's where people fuck up with Symmetra...they tag her out when the other team expects it. Stick with her and surprise the other team when they get beamed to death.
>>339479868
So, he's shit for meta reasons, rather than his actual abilities.
>>339479894
>>Anyone who thinks Widowmaker needs a nerf are scrubs that think this is a MOBA and not a FPS.
>Someone actually made this post and said "Yes, I am right"
Stopped reading there, desu.
>>339479756
>>the character with the ability to pull people out of a group is weak against teams that move as a group
Yes because if that group isn't sleeping at the wheel they'll focus fire him and kill him off. I've seen it happen numerous times and have had it happen to me as well. He's better against less organized or scattered opponents (this makes him better on King of the Hill actually). The damage falloff is a big ass problem and this might be a personal problem with me but sometimes hooking people with Roadhog doesn't guarantee kills due to the shitty spread on his M1, people getting pulled into terrain and the like when hooked, or people being pulled slightly off center. Also his M2 is terrible. Yeah it can oneshot some characters (and it's funny as fuck) but it still has insane damage falloff and really only deals a significant amount at a very precise distance. Honestly it's stupid to me that the metal lump doesn't deal more damage than what it does.
>>339480007
Overkill.
McCree: Has to directly hit someone
Lucio: Fine
Widowmaker: Increase charge time
>>339479985
>I was referring to that.
That was sarcasm, anon.
D.Va's shield is garbage, lasts a paltry amount of time, and only protects her from the front. She can't do anything while it's up so he's free to wait until she's dead to flash combo her.
>>339479985
Zarya has 600 ehp with the shield, mccree had 840 possible burst damage at point blank range in ~3 seconds
>>339480097
>had 840 possible burst damage at point blank range in ~3 seconds
Please tell me this is exaggerated.
>>339474270
>>339474231
>>339474120
>Everyone picks Reaper as attackers on Russia
>We steamroll 'em and we win with most Reapers not dying even once
I honestly believed we'd lose that one.
>>339480064
In a fucking 6v1 scenario, sure. This is, however, a team game, and he will presumably also have teammates that also need to be focused down.
>>339479553
>one can actually move somewhere else.
>one can't.
Yeah, compared to McCree, Pharah's way ahead of him, mostly because she can at least try to move somewhere else.
McCree might as well emote for all the good his slow ass will do trying to get out of the crosshairs.
>>339480097
The shield doesn't increase EHP, what? Assuming you mean her HP shield, it's just regenerating health, and assuming you mean her ability shield, it's invulnerability for a short duration.
>>339480018
The thing is that you'd pretty much throw an ult out of the window. Current meta is that you have definetly at least one sniper, be it Hanzo or Widowmaker, and both are capable of detecting shit, which means that Symmetra could not place her Teleporter behind enemies for instance. But yeah, Symmetra is a nasty surprise, which is why I always keep track of enemy character swaps.
>>339480095
Whoop sorry Anon that I couldn't read out your sarcasm.
>>339480097
That is if he hits all bullets. And that'd increase the damage her weapon causes, cause charge up. Which makes that can be quite a dangerous encounter for McCree.
>>339480292
True, but as a flanking tank that wants to pick off squishy targets, you'd might as well just pick Winston over him or D.Va unless you REALLY need to kill a Tracer. He's able to more effectively do his thing in King of the Hill though since those games are basically death matches.
>>339479894
Dude, she one-shots characters with body shots and has an entire team between her and the enemies she's shooting at, with every objective in the game being wide open and force people to stand on it.
She also has the zip line which is great mobility, getting her to places a lot of heroes can't reach or out of tight situations quickly by hooking to a wall or object, and her assault rifle makes her up-close better than support characters if they somehow got up close.
I don't think she's that overpowered compared to McCree, but she can be pretty fucked up on some maps. I think it was Temple of Anubis when you're defending the points, where it goes into the market place, that one is fucking impossible to deal with Widowmaker reasonably.
>>339473523
>Symmetra
>No Skill
>Have to know each map, develop a plan for every turret in each map, and you constantly have to manage each turret so you have 3 up when 3 get killed in 1 shot
>Have small HP pool and have to be up close to do damage meaning you have to be great at flanking and dodging in close quarters
> Have to time your right click very well or else everyone dodges it due to slow cast time
>Skill-less.
>>339480456
>she one-shots characters with body shots
only zen and tracer because they are the only heroes to have 150 hp but its only problematic for zen because of no mobility
>>339480391
The shield absorbs 200 hp damage before capping energy at 50% and dropping. It is not invulnerability.
>>339480402
Assuming at point blank range any less than 4 of the bullets miss, Zarya is dead, fuck her charge
>>339479796
>I mean, fine, let your precious McRee be, but at least buff the other characters to same level as the top picks.
This is what it should always be.
Don't nerf, just buff everyone else.
Give Pharah a bigger blast radius and 50 health or armor.
Lower some of Hanzo's cooldowns.
Make S76's sprint faster, whatever, do buffs, not nerfs.
>>339480441
D.Va is shit at actually jumping into the enemy pack, and Winston is alright at it but will probably just die.
Roadhog, however, has the ability to actually tank, moving out, grabbing somebody right out of the pack and killing them, moving behind cover and healing repeatedly.
This has the two critical flaws of feeding the enemy team shitloads of ult charge, and being of questionable use in the "every team ever needs reinhardt no matter what" meta, of course. But in terms of what he can actually do he's fairly powerful.
>>339480641
>This is what it should always be
No it's not you fucking twelve year old. Power creep is a terrible thing for a game like this.
That design philosophy turns any game into an unmanageable clusterfuck both from a design and gameplay perspective in a matter of moments.
>>339479796
I main D.Va, who most of the time gets fucking shredded by McRee. But that's the whole point is some classes are hot garbage against other classes.
It's not that no one wants to admit they're wrong or that the game doesn't need balancing it's that a lot of the time people just suck or have the wrong expectations and then go bitch about it incessantly until it's finally nerfed into the ground.
Once Blizzard starts waving the nerf bat around it's a never ending pendulum of OP/UP. The other "weaker" classes should be buffed or made more useful at least.
>>339480202
his pistol shots deal 35-70dmg, fires 6 per fan
stun deals 25 dmg
70*12+25 = 865
and if that doesnt kill them you could melee for an extra 30 hehe
>>339471281
this x10000
fuck useless tracers
I hope they add more maps soon.
>>339473801
Lucio and McCREEEE are fine to main while they remain OP.
I think the thing a lot of people need to consider is this game isn't about 1v1. Almost never are you and the enemy going to be completely by themselves, and among any other characters, McCree adds so much shit to any combination.
His range and accuracy is fucking phenomenal, his health is average, he does have at least one mobility option, his hitbox isn't massive, he has a guaranteed stun (which means everyone else can shoot the stationary target too), and his fan the hammer can do 400+ damage to anyone in about a second without any kind of cooldown but reloading your gun.
Running 2 McCrees is almost never a disadvantage, which I don't think you could say the same thing about 2 Reapers, 2 Soldiers, etc.
>>339481194
Lucio is not OP only McCree and Mercy are OP right now.
>>339481253
>Lucio is not OP
lol
>>339481253
>Lucio is not OP
This is what mercymains actually believe
>>339480903
I know that because I play D.Va too, and I understand that McRee is a duelist who shouldn't be confronted alone, but it's still pretty absurd that a tank dies that fast without any saying.
But balancing D. Va is another thing entirely. She becomes OP pretty fast.
>ult renders everything else in the game unusable while it is active and you are forced to back off of the point
>wall skate around the point to keep it contested while being extremely difficult to kill until team comes back
>>339481361
>>339481302
just shoot him lol
>>339480612
That is if you hit those bullets. Yeah.
I'll just leave the wikia page here, you faggots can keep speculating/crying.
http://overwatch.gamepedia.com/McCree
>0.7s stun
>fuck his stun is OP:^)
>>339480402
But you gain strong defense and good offense when she can flank. Or when someone gets 6 sentries up their ass and crumbles like a piece of paper.
>Lucio
Lucio only gets half healing rate from his own (Or another Lucio's) song.
>McCree
Kill flashbang. Replace with new ability.
>D.Va
Critbox lowered to a x1.33 modifier.
>Tracer
Recalling undoes damage she's done, too.
>>339481810
>Recalling undoes damage she's done, too.
Is this satire?
Flash Bang is not why McCree is a problem
>>339481810
>>D.Va
>Critbox lowered to a x1.33 modifier.
More like critbox removed. She has the worst designed critbox in pretty much any game.
Whose bright fucking idea was it to place the cribox in center mass?
Lucio is OP primarily because his hitbox is nine kinds of fucked.
>>339481786
>Attacking with Symmetra
I've seen this shit work a couple of times. It's difficult to accomplish but doable, especially if the enemy has little to no map awareness.
But there's much stronger characters filling into the good offensive role. She's great at defense, agreed at that.
Quick /v/, post your top played heroes.
>Reinhardt
>Pharah
>McCree
>Roadhog
>Zenyatta
>>339481517
It's like you think that every mccree is inept. Just because it doesn't take skill to hit with the fan doesn't mean that he can't aim otherwise. Any decent mccree can handle a point and click interface and shit out damage. Zarya can't move any faster than he can, so as long as he keeps her in his vision is fucking over.
.7 is enough to melt any sub 300 hp character without contest and any modicum of skill will result in proper positioning to maximize hit chance without losing vision on anything above
>>339481892
Yea what else? Flash bang and his secondary fire are OP.
>>339480007
Flash actually flashes and doesn't stun
there, mccree is fixed
>>339481969
It's a completely absurd design choice when you consider how much damage most characters shit out.
Why give her such shields when she's pooped on regardless in a matter of seconds?
Right now I'm afraid to play her because she just gives enemies easy ultimates, while hers is such a pain to get up. And I'm not talking about the fucking mecha, I'm talking about self destruct.
Blizzard went completely retarded when nerfing her.
>>339482018
Mercy, Pharah and Roadhog.
>>339482290
How was she before anyway?
