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im not really feelin this game.its like its missing something the other 2 games had,(not just pic related)or unfinished if you will.
soundtrack is amazing for sure
the story feels forced,combat and pvp is the shittiest its ever been.an entire covenant has been broken by gank squads for fucks sake.the community hasnt gotten any better with all the bornefags playing.
pve isnt any better.
From tries to make boring boss fights more interesting with retarded gimmicks like the stormruler,"hit its weak point for massive damage",and 2nd phase transition at low health cliche autism,ruining a potentially decent fight.
>shitting on multi phase bosses
come on son. that's one lesson from bloodborne worth keeping for sure. DS3 is miles and miles ahead of DS2, at least.
>>339457606
His other points were accurate though. I just hope From works on a new IP that's completely different and they shelve the Souls series for a while.
>>339457606
it sounds fun but most of the time it ends up fucking the overall quality of the boss battle,sometimes making the fight easier than the 1st phase(undead legion,nameless king,soul of cinder)
>>339457606
In PvE, yes.
But PvP is so fucking lackluster it's embarrassing.
Kinda feel the same. It feels rushed in areas. Just beat Aldritch and I'm gonna take a break for a bit. PvE is getting boring as fuck and PvP is an absolute joke. It's a hornet ring caestus parry party.
Even invades are chores since you'll usually trek across a map only to get ganked and gesture spammed.
It's painfully close to being the great successor to Dark 1 but there's too many little things holding it back.
Weapon and magic balance is horrible. Why bother with long Weapon Art and spell casting animations and charged R2 when you can get better DPS and recovery with three R1's?
The Equip Load stat and Poise are literally useless. There's no real reason to level Vit unless you want to carry 6 weapons or something.
FromSoft still can't quite join the rest of the world with matchmaking performance. Autosummoning covenants are spotty at best and supposedly tied to total time played (?). Half the time when you're in a fight with a host the game studders or lags when another phantom connects.
Certain items outright lie to the player. The Clutch, Wolf and Steel Protection rings don't do what they say they do. The stats gains and def loss %'s are incorrect.
Neither does Yhorm's Greatshield.
And probably the Dusk Crown now that I think about it.
Build and alternate path variety is lackluster. Most viable damage spells and powerful buffs like Power Within are obtained very late in the game compared to previous iterations.
Alternate paths are limited especially compared to Dark 1.
Want to kill the Dancer to rush to the Archives for early Outrider armor or Crystal spells? Too bad, the key to the door only spawns after killing 3 lords of cinder lol
Speaking of viable spells, there aren't many. At all. Farron Darts? Pestilent Mercury? Nah, Great Heavy is better. Why bother with a cool new spell if it's shit.
Profaned Capital seems unfinished. It's a walk to a boss with reskinned casters and a side zone with another swamp.
This is a subjective thing but to me Yhorm was a disappointment because you can't fight him without Stormruler, his HP or defense is just too high compared to other bosses unless you have Siegward switching between being a punching bag and stunlocking him I guess.
I like it better than 2 but I'm done until the DLC.
>>339457606
It's not always advantageous to use change form bosses. It just becomes really stale after the fifth boss that does it. It was better when it only happened occasionally in older souls games. It made it surprising and it had impact. When every boss does it... well who cares anymore. Not to mention because every boss does it they shit up some bosses that would be otherwise perfectly fine.
A great, recent example of this is Nameless King would have been better to just not have the Dragon Form because it was horribly botched due the fact that it would have been tedious to redo otherwise if dying on the second form. It shitted on an otherwise great second fight having to drudge through the boring first half everytime you needed to get back to learn some new moves on the second half.
>>339461084
>invades are chores
Fucking this. I've never been so frustrated playing a game before. I've yet to actually get a 1v1. It's always a host with his buttbuddies just waiting to gank. A few actually had the gall to send trash talk too.
>>339461084
>PvE is getting boring as fuck and PvP is an absolute joke. It's a hornet ring caestus parry party.
Not much different than backstab fishers in DaS1
>>339461084
Part of the reason I think PVE is so boring in this game is the same problem as DaS2. Because of tracking and all the "punish" moves that most enemies have including this new retarded shit where some enemies are invincible if they go in the air (looking at you fire gargoyle and ninja skeletons) it just makes every enemy basically feel like every other fight. You just do the same rinse and repeat tactics.
It's true that most of the souls games would allow the same tactics to be useful, especially things like parry and whatnot, but the difference is that they ALLOWED it, not made it the real only go-to strat for half the fights.
Just becomes boring and monotonous.
>>339461329
This is essentially correct. Covers most of the problems with this game very well. Good post.
>>339462459
it's funny how easy it to go through the game while embered. i've only been invaded about 5 times across three characters while progressing through the game
It would've gotten a 10/10 from me if the areas were more connected. The bulk of the game is so linear and every run starts exactly the same way. It's fucking boring and it's depressing that they can't even fix it anymore.
>>339457449
>first time the pvp is as fun and challenging as the pve
>instead of going in prepared and just shitting on pve shitters you get 3v1 which is generally fair since you are so much better
>bosses are the best right after bb
Really don't get the hate for das3.
I sort of understood it for 2 but even then it was way too blown out of proportion.
are das1fags just the biggest and most annoying assholes?
>>339462459
Yeah. If you see more than one guy, just leave.
The "community" of Twitch memers and their collective personality cults of teen proxy fan-friends has made ganking and hatemail popular.
They only good invasions are low to mid level; 40 to 60 tops where both parties aren't chugging or being obnoxious fucks.
Or teamfights in the swamp where the host doesn't sit at the fire and endlessly summin reinforcements.
DaS3 was disappointing
DaS2 SotFS is better than 3
>replay demons souls + dark souls 1
>all the enemies don't have fucking giant spears/swords with lunge attacks where they extend their entire fucking body to tap you from max range every attack
refreshing desu
>>339463078
But only because there is so much content thrown at you that something had to stick.
It's amazing DaS2 is as bad as it is considering how many ideas it goes through.
>>339462873
>someone like my blogpost
S-should I be a pretentious opinionated YouTube fuck like Vaati and Bunnyhop now?
I can be like the down-to-earth NEET version.
>>339463084
Agreed. I just started another DaS1 playthrough after DaS3 got boring and I had finished Castlevania CotM again.
Was so happy to see some different enemies for once.
>>339463302
No, anon... no. Take the pat on the back.
>>339463317
Actually I took breaks from DaS3 by playing Monster Hunter in between. I started to find myself eager to get back to monster hunter while playing DaS3. Is that bad?
>>339463219
This. DaS2 has a shit ton of areas but they are mostly bad. I'm not saying every level in DaS3 is amazing but I wasn't bored out of my mind by any of them.
DaS3 is by far the best bamco souls
>>339463383
You're probably right.
I don't deserve money.
https://youtu.be/KO0Va9B9XVU
Based nigga
>>339463598
I disagree.
>inb4 not Souls
>>339463084
yeah in DS 1 and DeS, you can have a stand-off, so to speak, with 4 enemies strafing around you, but they strafe slowly, making dodging between their attacks manageable.
in DS3, if you don't spam R1 bullrush the first mob you see, you are going to get kamikaze lunged by every single thing in line of sight because they all have attacks that suddenly lurch forward 20 meters.
>>339463675
>BB
>Bamco
>>339463024
>Or teamfights in the swamp where the host doesn't sit at the fire and endlessly summin reinforcements.
If I see a guy running around in the level with summon(s) I usually don't get annoyed. He might have summoned just to go easy mode or is playing with buddies.
People that run to the bonfire and mash are obnoxious fucks. They seriously will lose a single ember and their bloodstain will be nearby but they gotta have dem epikk ganks and funny gesture spam.
>>339463317
>DaS1
>Main plot actually fucking develops a little bit
>Keeps it fresh
>Bell->Kill Old Lords
>Some bosses legit made you feel the environment gave no fucks about you like Capra
>DaS3
>Kill the Old Lords, kinda like what you did in DaS1, thats literally it from the start
>Every boss fight is a massive arena
>Either its combo guy with a pseudo-greatsword
>Or your fighting a massive boar.
Did they even fucking try to mix up the boss fights a bit? O&S was tagteam in DS1
>>339457449
I just started DS3, I'm about 12 hours in. I'm honestly starting to get disappointed. They've made the same game 3 times and they still haven't fixed the problems that have been there all along. It's not quite as bad as the second game, but the level design is worse, the hit detection is either worse or the same, and for some reason enemies can get critical hits on your front now. How does From get away with this stuff? I can't tell if they're trying to recapture the magic of the first game or are just cashing in.
>>339463710
Right? I feel like the idea of blitzkrieging so you don't get raped is more important in this game. God forbid you try to engage in neutral, because everything shits on you if you aren't up it's ass mashing R1.
>>339463723
Oh, yeah. You're right.
That was Sony/Japan Studio.
Still best Souls since 1.
>>339463608
Wow patrick... wow.
>>339463783
>hit detection is worse
>for some reason enemies can get critical hits on your front now
There are plenty of legitimate criticisms for DAS3, these are because you don't understand the mechanics.
>>339463572
Dunno anon, i thought DaS3 areas were pretty forgettable, save for irithyll
>>339463898
BB is the best.
DaS3 comes right after.
Forest>Road of Sacrifices
Kalameet>Ancient Wyvern
Artorias>Abyss Watchers
O&S>Everyone
Priscilla>Yorshka
Menu Theme>Menu Theme
Claymore>Claymore
I am so happy people are shitting on das3.
Because it shows that all the hate on das2 was unfounded.
DaS3 did so much right and now we know that all the das2 hate just like the current das3 hate is just das1 babbies who hate everything different
>>339464003
The front criticals are when I'm staggered or something, I get that, its still annoying. But it pains me that they still haven't fixed the fact that attacks always come from the front of the enemy even if the visual is coming from the side. Like if something is swinging at you, you face it and block rather than blocking the actual attack.
>>339457449
>3 DLC
First of all, game is better than ds2 for sure.
Story is perfect for a close up of a series.
Gank squads is not a problem if you know, you are good enough.
Bosses feels easy because you probably played 100-300 hours of souls before.
>>339463783
>but the level design is worse
>hurr they unlearned level design.
>it can't possibly be that they decided to spend the budget better than in das1 and have some left for the second half of the game and good boss fights
I fucking hate /v/.
How can you come to a videogame board and no idea about videogames.
>>339464152
DaS2 is a legitimately shit game, the engine is worse then fucking Demon Souls for animations and textures.
>>339464235
12 hours and I haven't seen one memorable location because they're all copy-pasted from the other games. And everything is connected with fucking elevators, that's the laziest and most uninspired way to connect areas, its like playing an NES game and arbitrarily jumping between a fire level and a water level.
>>339463772
>Did they even fucking try to mix up the boss fights a bit?
Sure they did.
Greatwood.
Sage.
Deacons.
Wolnir.
Demon King.
Ancient Wyvern if you consider that a boss.
Nameless King while still mounted.
I would argue that a lot of the typical "big sword wielding knights" are at least somewhat interesting.
Abyss Watchers are infighting and can be parried and backstabbed like a player.
Gundyr has his melee combos.
Aldritch is very projectile focused.
>>339464354
You are either blind or retarded as shit. Im guessing the latter
>>339461329
This is all very accurate. Only thing I can't attest to is the magic, never really used it in any souls game. Is it really that awful? Even after reaching end game?
>>339464354
I dunno if I accept that after the response to das3.
DaSfags just don't like the idea of a sequel. They have incredibly rose tinted glasses when it comes to dark souls 1.
DaS3 is so much better than 1 but the response is the same as to 2.
So maybe das2 is bad but soulsfags have no taste.
>>339457606
But every Boss had a second phase, this shit gets boring and predictable.
I knew when i fought Twin Princes and Souls of Cinder that "something" was coming.
So much for suspense.
>2nd phase transition at low health cliche
I'd rather have that than killing the boss, get cutscene, then boss gets a new health bar.
Replenishing all of their health because it's a new form is so fucking stupid. Just give them one giant health bar and have the boss enter the second form accordingly without some speedbump cutscene and new health bar.
See Ludwig.
>>339464441
If you had played demon's you would've said the same about das1.
If das3 is shit then das1 is the worst because it ripped of way more from demon's than das3 did from das1.
I accept das3 is shit but only if you admit that das1 is way worse.
>>339464152
>it shows that all the hate on das2 was unfounded
That's not how criticism works, man.
How is this thread even getting replies?
Serious ones at that.
>>339464152
You're wrong though
I think that DaS3 has real issues but I still think it's a solid 7-8/10 game
dark souls 2 is an irredeemable piece of shit
I'm disappointed with the linearity
ds1 had several connected areas at the beginning with lots of options for an experienced player, second half of the game has less connectivity but still 4 different routes to explore.
ds2 has a more linear second half but several options in the first half.
ds3 is linear all the time, only thing an experienced player can do is kill dancer early but that path ends before the archives anyway
>>339464560
DS2 is a legitimately crap game.
Animations that are retarded for movement, backstab, ripostes and just being hit
Textures and lighting that are PS1-era
Bosses that are uninspired
NPC's are boring as fuck
Soul memory destroying invasions
The only good thing going for it was duelling at the very end.
>>339464229
Gank squads ARE a problem. I'm not saying they're impossible but if you're invading for covenant items it's a bitch.
You can play smart and patient but that doesn't prevent summons from blocking you as the host spins around bringing more pals in. I've actually had a disgusting amount of players DC when I finally kill their hired help
>>339464750
At least DS2 had a story that wasn't purely based on fanfiction.
>>339464560
No rose tinted glasses. I still frequently play DS1 and I think it's the best one in the series, followed by DS3, then Demon's, then dying in real life, then 2.
>>339462459
>>339461084
>get invaded
>it's a chugger episode again
>it's a substory involving invader to run trhough whole map after losing 3 or 4 bouts and having no healing
It's fucking boring.
The community is shit, too.
Of course people complain about gankers but even alone, Invaders are really shit.
I only got invaded once where i was totally overpowered and that was 3 weeks after release on low SL, like 20
>>339464560
But I loved Bloodborne.
And don't try and tell me that's because it isn't directly tied into the Souls story.
If you went into the Chalice Dungeons and a dead Primordial Serpent was in there or something I would be all for it.
Also DaS was a better game than DeS and it was basically a sequel.
>>339464679
I've always wanted to play DeS, but at this point I'm unsure. If its just the same shit with worse visuals its gonna be rough. If only there was a solid storyline to justify all these games, its basically Pokemon with swords.
>>339464679
new IP Lore that was a take on olympian gods + Actually competently made interconnected world and geography.
Everything else was comparable to Demon Souls, boss design etc.
So no, DaS1 is either as good as Demon souls or slightly better.
It sure aint worse.
>>339464823
>le story
Story in videogames is great but it doesn't mean shit when the gameplay and level design sucks goat dick. It's a videogame. Not a movie.
Great gameplay + Great story = excellent
Great gameplay + shit story = still good
Shit gameplay + great story = shit
>>339464774
DaS3 also had good bosses all the way through.
I love how nobody can connect the two.
They learned how to manage the budget. So they had gone for a more linear levels and spend more budget on good bosses.
I take that trade any day.
Fuck sandbox shit.
The main complaint online after das1 was that it was too linear compared to skyrim.
Now DaS1fags are the skyrimfags who want to sacrfice all gameplay for good levels.
Not even good levels all the way through.
Just a good beginning and shit second half is okay.
>>339464803
All your points are subjective though, only thing i can agree on is the implementation of soul memory
>>339464734
>stop discussing video games
>come talk about Overwatch waifus with the other shills-I mean fans
>>339464819
The big problem is not amount of summoned people, but that you can summon any lvl for co-op. I invade at lvl 30 +3 and sometimes i fight people who probably went through the game 3-4 times.
>>339464921
DeS is a great game. Great areas and atmosphere and the gameplay is just as solid as DaS1 if maybe a tad clunkier.
>>339464930
No it is worse than das3.
DaS3 is a direct sequel and it still ripps of less than das1.
Especially fucking boss fights.
The meat of the game.
>>339464945
Shit opinion.
Besides, I'd rather play a new shitty level than play copy-pasted Anor Londo or Izalith again.
>>339465003
Shit graphics aren't subjective
and he's right, the bosses are uninspired
>>339464823
But that same statement can be applied to what DaS2's story was.
>>339462459
It's because solo players like me play unembered to avoid cancer invaders
>>339465135
How so?
>>339465089
I have more fun in DaS then DaS3
O&S is a more inspiring boss fight then anything in DaS3.
Same goes for Artorias.
And it still has the best dragon fight of the series.
>>339465109
It's not an opinion, it's fact. If you genuinely think that having a good story makes up for having shit gameplay in a VIDEOGAME, you're just shy of retarded
>>339464774
This so much
>>339465023
I've got nothing against the discussion, but the OP is clearly retarded or a child. Or both.
>dark sword 3
>can't even write a proper sentence
>>339464912
You missed the part where there was a line for Gascoignes Death Animation that ended in ...."Umbasa" but got cut out.
Make up your headcannon here.
>>339457449
>2nd phase transition at low health cliche autism,ruining a potentially decent fight.
buzzwords and poor english aside, this is only a relevant point for soul of cinder, every other boss gets better in the second phase. if anything they should have made most of the bosses spawn with their phase abilities and moveset
>>339465226
>>O&S is a more inspiring boss fight then anything in DaS3.
O&S is the only boss fight that would even fit in das3 quality wise.
And the princes are way better.
>>339465230
Yeah, because that's what I said.
Shit reading and shit opinion.
>>339459064
Nameless king easyer in second phase?
Nigger wat?
>>339465135
I didn't know DaS2 even had a story. At least you had a goal in the first game: ring the bells, then fill the lordvessel. I had no clue what I was supposed to be doing in DaS2 aside from the obvious meta-objective of "go kill all the major bosses".
What weapons dominate SL80 PVP?
Have been having shitloads of fun at the Aldritch Invasion zone by popping dried fingers and 1v2-3-4ing with Gundyr's Halberd.
Had a near perfect 1v1 ratio and only ever lost to 1v3s and 1v4s. Not fully retarded so would dead-angle the charge against parry spammers etc.
Now every fucking invader is using this weapon in my game, and I recognise the player names so it's not just my imagination.
New weapon for /trendsetter/?
>>339465332
I literally didn't state anything other than that in my post, so what are you saying "shit opinion" to then, retard?
Way too many blatant rehashes of DaS/DeS without it trying to make sense in the game itself.
Its obvious Miyazaki gave no FUCKS about the plot or story and just wanted to run everyone through levels and bosses.
The problem with that, is that you get no awesome experience like Ornstein or Artorias.
>>339461329
I agree with this, but I'd put it on par with the first Souls game before the DLC.
>>339465354
the fuck was the story in dark souls 2 anyways?
>>339465409
Shit reading, shit opinion AND shit memory.
>>339465226
>O&S is a more inspiring boss fight then anything in DaS3.
If you care about bosses das3 and bb are easily the best.
And the other two examples are from the fucking dlc.
Which always has been the goat content in all souls games yet.
and isn't out yet for das3
>>339465132
You got me there with the bosses, but i stand by the graphics argument
>>339465372
Carthus Curved Sword, Estoc, Dark Sword and Washing pole running pole spammers dominate everything in the game objectively.
If you understand netcode spacing, you can always attack inside a UGS swing without risk.
>>339464921
It's worth playing.
It's dated and clunky, I don't care what anyone says.
But it's still a good game. And it was imbalanced in the fun way, at least for PvE.
Regen builds were viable. Morion blade glass cannon was viabke. Magic was so strong it was fucking busted. Certain weapons were amazing.
>>339463084
>boot DS1 again
>colourful interesting different areas, goofy charning characters and enemies
>come back to ds3
>edgy dark souls with 3 whole shades of gray
>every regular enemy is guy under black robe #571
>find archdragon peak
>get blown away
Why From? Why have you not made more areas like this? Why are there so many le edgy grim castles?
>>339465372
if you want to set trends in PvP based on what looks easy and effective, just use any weapon with big damage and hyper armor
the twin prince's greatsword is pretty baller. the arts on it really fuck people up
>>339465289
No, I'm aware of that.
My point still stands though.
BB is a great sequel to the series.
>>339464945
But the Gameplay in DaS3 is shit, because they mashed up Bloodborne with Souls and it's like a retard child.
Anyone saying otherwise is a blind fool of a fanboy.
>>339461084
PvP has always -- fucking always, without exception -- been dog shit in all Soul's games. It was mainly about the PvE. Invasions were meant for fucking with another person's progress until the meta kicked in. It has a shelf life, and then fight club cancer rears its head. Don't talk to me about the glory days of Dark Souls 1 either. The backstab shit was horrific.
>>339465507
An awesome boss fight is more then just the mechanics of the fight.
A mechanically perfect boss fight that visually only consists of hit boxes isn't fucking amazing to anyone.
>>339464819
Just had a host dc right after posting this. Killed his friends then he ran off and DC'd. Fucking hell.
>>339465030
I didn't know that. I haven't summoned at all and just rss or orb to fight.
>>339463670
What the fuck kind of faggoty nigger shit is that
>>339465484
I'd have to look it up even though I finished the game a week ago. A huge part of that was simply not caring though. After trying desperately to understand what was going on in the first DaS and finding out that the story is hardly a story at all, I didn't feel like trying to make sense of the whole thing again, I'm pretty sure its the same thing over again except the word Lordran turned into Drangleic. And then into Lothric.
>>339465485
here is my post.
Now try explaining what you were saying "shit opinion" to that wasn't this.
Fucking moron.
>>339461084
When I get bored I just help people beating bosses.
Just yesterday I was helping out at the Champ. 60 faith and the right rings is amazing, I was doing like 1200 damage each sunlight spear I tossed
>>339465484
Bear
Seek
Seek
Lest
No, really. Emerald Herald was the only driving force until they added Aldia.
>>339461329
Good post, anon. The litteral invisible wall in front of Irithyl is also retarded. The complete lack of branching pathways is a turn off for me. For all DaS2's failing, at least the path is a spider web where you can choose where to start and which order of bosses to beat. Here, you'll always beat the Legion first and the Princes last.
>choice between the other two
Yay.
All right I'm tired of seeing this thread every day, let me settle it for you my lovelies.
Things dark souls 2 did right:
>power stancing was interesting
>ganking covenants actually worked and couldn't be counter ganked in their own area like every other game
>chugging was punishable
>bonfire ascetics were a neat idea but having enemies stop respawning is a dumb idea from the get-go
>interesting new character creator, beards yay
>I liked Alva armor
Things dark souls 2 did wrong
>no blue/red eye orb
>way of blue/blue sentinel combo was broken like In DS3
>fucking soul memory
>fucking ADP
>retarded enemy tracking and hit boxes
>forgettable areas, bosses, NPCs, etc.
>all the other reasons people are shitting on DS3 for: too much pandering, broken PvP, blah blah take this one with a grain of salt
>>339465680
Nothing tops Sen's funhouse nig.
>>339465671
I kind of agree with this, the souls game always had a slower pace then BB.
But DS3 feels wierd, like what is the point of shields now.
>>339465671
I didn't say the gameplay in DaS3 was good.
Though it is better than DaS2.
>>339465030
>but that you can summon any lvl for co-op.
The range is +10 or 20 or something. You can, however, summon people that went through NG++++++++++++ with their level 40 character though.
Twinking is still alive and well.
>>339465671
I haven't played BB, but I'm playing D3 right now. Our of curiosity, what features are inspired by BB?
>>339465764
>my lovelies
I'm sorry but I'm going to have to disagree with every point you made on principle.
>>339465719
>posting a screenshot of your own post in the same thread
>calling anyone else a moron
>>339465683
Hey I am not talking exclusively gameplay.
Design wise O&S is also great.
I am talking both design and gameplay.
In vanilla das1 only 2 bosses are good at both design and actual fight.
O&S and Sif.
DaS3 has way more and the designs are way better overall. Twin Princes has a great design you better weren't shitting on it and saying that O&S is so much better purely design wise.
>>339465764
I'd add dlc to things done right
Great Games that felt fresh:
Dark Souls
Bloodborne
Demon Souls
Rehash is getting tiresome:
Dark Souls 3
Literally shit:
Dark Souls 2
>>339465890
And there's the backpedaling.
excellent work faggot, you sure did good this time.
>>339465351
Second phase easily stays in your field of view and doesn't have massive AOE instakill breath. It's just your old iframe timing and nothing about it feels like bullshit.
>>339465917
Didn't play it, so didn't feel fair to add. To me it's a too little too late grading. DLC is cool but has never redeemed a whole game for me
After playing through the game six fucking times I'm still baffled how people can prefer DaS1 and 2 over 3.
Like, I just don't understand it. Every area you visit in Dark Souls 3 is actually complete and the gameplay has finally been upgraded and refined to the point where combat and the overall speed of things is finally above Demon's Souls' levels of speed. Every boss outside of that stupid fucking tree and the Deacons is actually good.
Some of you guys bitch about build variety, but the variety is there and you're choosing not to do it for some reason. The only excuse I can see for this is if you want to use a weapon that can only be picked up near the end of the game or if you're trying to do a Faith build since most of the only good spells you get are in the final 5% of the game for some reason.
I feel like a lot of the people crying about this game are PvP faggots who are sad that they suck ass and can't win at their minigame and the fucking weirdos who want this series to be a fucking metroidvania for some reason.
>>339465789
>Though it is better than DaS2.
In many ways it isn't. Rolling costing no stamina and instant estus chugging is comparable with the shit they did with adaptability.
>>339465948
>backpedaling
You're the one shooting yourself in the foot.
You can have the last say if you want, but you're officially retarded.
>>339465671
How is the gameplay any worse than 1 or 2? R1 spamming is incredibly effective in all of them, more so in 1 with stacked poise, especially with the enemies being a lot slower.
>>339465920
>Dark Souls 1
>great
Nah man.
That is fucking insulting to Demon's and Bloodborne.
That shitty second half.
That overall unfinished fucking game.
>>339465963
>Second phase easily stays in your field of view
Even the aoe breath is piss easy to deal with if you can actually FUCKING SEE IT HAPPENING.
The camera in this game being pure unadulterated assfuck is the only reason the first phase is any kind of difficult.
>>339465614
Pain in the ass to get though. How's Profaned Greatsword?
>>339465993
Play SotFS now anon, shit's worth it
>>339466027
I can say that I think das1 had the better design and would be better than das3 if it were actually finished.
That is the only way in which I would put das1 over das3.
Now the actual game we got is worse than das3. Objectively really
>>339465906
Capra Demon has more fanart for it then any boss for Dark Souls 3 or Dark Souls 2.
Thats how you know it was more of an experience.
>>339465920
>DaS1 felt fresh
>after demon's
>>339465556
is CCS any good when invading a gank squad? against multiple enemies?
>>339466038
>make factually wrong statement
>get called out for being wrong
>say you aren't wrong
>get proved wrong
>change subject
and such is the cycle of the uninformed retard. good work.
>>339466062
A lot of people seem oblivious to how flawed DaS is. I think the bias here for the first game is too strong, which DaS was for a lot of them.
>>339466104
I have to ask, did you like DS2 before and the DLC redeemed it for you or did you enjoy it before and after?
Every time I think about finally playing scholar, I look at gameplay and remember the way combat felt, soul memory, and all the other things I hate and it turns me off :(
>>339466072
The thing is, the breath will surprise you the first time around and maybe a few more times after that until you get the pattern. Secon phase only has predictable attacks that you can feasibly deal with on your first try.
>>339466171
and any single undertale character has more fanart than all fanart of all soulsgames combined
Not sure I like the way you judge games.
>>339461329
>The Clutch, Wolf and Steel Protection rings don't do what they say they do. The stats gains and def loss %'s are incorrect.
I know poise is absolutely useless, but the clutch steel protection rings as well?
>>339466192
It's good for keeping the squads off of you, but if they have halberd, WPs or other long weapons the my wont give a fuck. CCS is good, I wouldn't use it unless you're running hollow/luck desu tho
>>339465878
The speed, the missing Poise, but the stats and rings and stuff that increases Poise are still in the game, but worthless.
>>339466227
SotFS makes more awful enemy placements, and even thought the DLC areas are almost all good, and some bosses are neat (very over rated), it still plays like Dark Souls 2, which is the game's biggest problem.
I wish these hacks at from just remade ds1 on a ds2 engine
>>339466303
This has been proven true, they are still somewhat helpful, but nowhere near to what the stat screen tells you. Especially ring of steel
>>339466192
Ahh good question i meant for duels yeh.
For invasions it's totally different, you need a way to reliably instant-kill against gank squads.
Parry with HIGH DAMAGE riposte weapon.
Quality Build + A good UGS (even FUGS works, or Astora)
Pyro Build
Invisible Ring+High sorcerery for beam snipes
Estoc works, though your parry fishing, UGS works if you can bait them into your swings.
Pyro is ridiculously good tho it requires alot of learning to use well.
>>339466303
The clutch rings increase the damge you deal by about only 6-7%
They increase the damage you take by 15 fucking percent.
They are absolutely horrible and should never be worn.
>>339466372
Lol, I wouldn't wish that on my most hated franchise. You're evil anon
>>339466303
>absolutely useless
Not absolutely! You need 0.1 of it for hyperarmor to work.
>Go back and play Dark Souls 2
>get 13000 souls in forest of fallen giants
>Hmm now do I want to go to the lost bastille or heide's and from there go to undead wharf or use the miracle girl to go to undead copse.
>Or maybe I'll buy the cat ring and go down the hole and fight the rats or maybe skip the rats and go straight for the gutter.
>Or I might buy a fragrant branch of yore from Melentia and go straight for the shaded woods
Dark Souls 3 feels so suffocatingly linear in comparison.
>>339466253
He is right, Dark Souls inspired more artwork and good ones, then any other souls game.
Bloodborne comes in second.
Generally, thats how you know which games were the better ones.
>>339466226
This makes me really sad.
After DaS1 I was right there with people shitting on das2 because it was finished but designed worse.
But now that we actually got a good direct sequel to DaS1 which actually is really better than DaS1 and people shit on it just as much as they did on DaS2 I am starting to realize that they weren't on my side at all.
They were the nostalgiafags everyone accused them off.
And I love DaS1. It is so good. It is just that das3 is better
>>339466492
I hate dark souls 2, but I have to admit it had much more freedom than 3.
>>339466492
Pretty much. DLCs better open up some alternate paths through the main game.
>>339466516
Okay so are you saying UT and Sonic are the best games ever?
>>339466492
>go back to skyrim
>can literally go anywhere and do what I want right after the beginning
Souls is so suffocatingly linear in comparison.
>>339457606
DaS2 had multi-phase bosses as well, or did you just not play it?
>>339466227
I recognize the flaws ds2 had but i still enjoyed it, albeit slighty less than ds1.
However as the other anon pointed out, better enemy placements, items, bosses made the game infinity much better.
For me SotFS is better than vanilla ds3, but hey thats just me.
Get it on sale or something
>>339466738
Is it worth twenty burgers?
>>339465869
What about password summon?
>>339466738
>bought the game and all the dlc
>buy it all again
>this time it is good I swear
I have too much self respect to buy SotFS.
>>339466226
>>339466558
I feel like it's getting out of hand.
As someone who played DaS first, I can say without any doubts that Demon's Souls and Dark Souls 3 are way better designed video games. People are nostalgiafagging way too hard on bad gameplay decisions.
>>339466629
Its fairly obvious that this metric only works within a franchise, and you obviously know that and are being difficult for the sake of being difficult.
>>339466629
The audience for the souls game are generally the same, Dark Souls and Bloodborne has more quality and quantity of inspired artwork.
That means those two games have had more emotional impact then any other in the genre.
>>339465305
Lol fucking bullshit
Manus, Four Kings, Gwyn, O&S, Priscilla, Artorias
All great fights
>>339466038
>Ha I may have been wrong but your the retard
>you
>>339466806
>Its fairly obvious that this metric only works within a franchise
It is beyond retarded.
I do not hope you are in any way serious.
>>339466828
I liked DS1, but Gwyn had to be one of the worst and most underwhelming bosses I've ever seen.
>>339466828
>Four Kings, Gwyn
lolno
> Priscilla,
Maybe.
Would be a weaker boss in das3.
>manus, artorias
DLC
>>339466880
I wouldn't publish it in a journal, and there is obviously some bias towards older games which have more time to accumulate fan art, but as far as what's considered "memorable" I'd say its a fairly accurate assessment.
>>339466798
15-20 burgers sir
>>339466819
Demon's and BB had better quality fanart.
And how much time do you give artist to create stuff for the games if we honestly do the judgement right now.
>>339466803
As someone who recently got a PS3 mainly for DeS, it's overall the worst game in the series. It might have been good as a starting point, but was outdone in every single aspect.
>Best overall awesome boss experience
O&S without doubt
>Best Difficulty spike up your ass boss fight
Gascoine
>Best Dragon fight
Kalameet
>Best boss fight you felt bad for
Artorias, Gerhman
>Best new IP
Bloodborne
>Best boss fights if you like wombo combo's
and bosses on steroids
Bloodborne
>Best Intro
Dark Souls
>Best npc's
Dark Souls
>Best Graphics
Bloodborne
There's a reason Dark souls and bloodborne are rated higher then the others.
>>339466902
he was actually a rape machine if you didn't parry or cheese him with the stalagmites like most faggots did.
>>339466986
okay but then it has to work across franchises too and you have to admit that sonic and undertale are more memorable than the entire souls series.
>>339467013
Show me this quality Demon's Souls fanart.
>>339467163
Where the fuck is sonic and UT coming from?
>>339467201
There's more color in that picture than all of DS3.
>People think DS3 is better then DaS1
I challenge you to produce something better then this.
>>339467163
I will immediately admit that. Without any hesitation, obviously those two things are more memorable. I'm not saying I like them, but 20 years from now I will remember more about Sonic than any of the Souls games, despite never even playing a Sonic game. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.
>>339467139
>>>Best Dragon fight
That is so stupid to judge a series on.
Especially with BB a game that isn't even medieval fucking fantasy.
Its like you were desperately trying to come up with reasons for das1.
>Best Intro
Exactly like that one.
BB is the best I agree but DaS1 is way overrated.
DaS3 is better.
From my experience in trying to master a much more aggressive constant pressure style to GIT GUD at PVP (passive play is shit but 90% of even the top tier players are passive in pvp), I've come to believe DS3's combat isn't as fucked over from poise removal as is first apparent.
You come in from the other games and it's a huge shock, but even in PVE the constant pressure style works better than passive play. All thanks to the new weapon arts and how poise (doesn't) work and other reasons. You have to be more aware of openings, but playing this way is MUCH safer. The game was designed to force you to play hyper aggressively and play active rather than reactive.
That said, this is kind of a turn around from DS1 and DS2 where minding yourself till you have a clear shot is best. Where as DS3 far more rewards an 'intercepting attack' style of play. The game feels blatantly shit when you don't realize they changed how they intended you to play, and the game gives no real indication this is the intent.
>>339467229
Sega and some indie dev.
>>339467306
Okay then I am fine with that way to judge games
>>339467105
I've gotta disagree on that.
Outside of the issue that is endless healing herbs, I feel like Demon's Souls' faster paced gameplay, level design, boss design make it a way better game.
>>339467304
that the fuck
>>339467304
you called?
>>339467412
I meant in your conversation, not development-wise.
>>339467105
Idk man, I played DS1 in early 2012, then DeS, then DS2. I don't see how anyone that likes souls games can see DeS as the weakest. That games atmosphere and art style just clicked like a fucking switch for me. Granted I enjoyed DeS more for the PvE. If you're coming from a PvP standpoint I couldn't argue. It was mostly dead for me, I only got invaded 2 through my whole play through but I had no problem summoning people for any boss fight. (Only boss I got actual help from a blue was penetrator, every other time they died before reaching boss)
>>339467470
It were examples of games with lots of fanart.
>>339467513
But they're not souls games, so they're completely irrelevant to the equation.
>>339466486
how does hyperrmor actually work? it just takes the poise you have and multiplies it by infinity?
>>339467463
Top kek
>>339467584
Well neither is bb technically.
>>339467587
Where's the good DeS fanart
This has been said a bunch already but I think it lacks some of the more fantastical elements of the first 2 games. Areas like Darkroot Garden or even Blighttown with a sort of unreal, fairytale atmosphere.
>>339467584
They are great examples of games with lots of fanart how are they not relevant?
>>339467590
It's probably just a yes/no check. If poise is present CANNOT BE STUNNED IN HYPER ARMOR FRAMES. If poise is not present, hyper armor doesn't activate.
>>339467653
I don't even look for anything special this is just a couple of quickly scrounged things
>>339467653
I don't know why you want DeS fan art so bad, but I have this picture of Yuria saved.
>>339467590
Not sure, but there is no documented difference to it between 0.1 and 100 poise. The only difference is 0 poise, which disables it.
>>339467590
Lol it matters on your weapons. Most weapons have a certain degree of hyper armor. Some weapons stuff other hyper armors.
Best hyper armor in order of greatest to least: great hammers, great axes, UGS, halberds, dual wielding weapons/spears, katanas, longswords and everything else.
>>339467673
Of course they are, but the poster you were talking to was specifically talking about the souls series itself.
Whatever, carry on.
>>339467718
>>339467731
That's only true for greatswords and halberd by the way
>>339467512
Demon's Souls had 99 pvp problems and full moon grass was all of them.
>>339467750
Great swords go after halberds
so then we all agree
>PvE
DeS > DaS1 > DaS3 > DaS2
>PvP
DaS2 > DaS1 > DeS > DaS3
right?
>>339467139
>>339467308
>That is so stupid to judge a series on
Best Dragon Fight is perfectly acceptable category. DeS, DaS, DaS2, and DaS3 all have dragon fights. We're comparing 5 games here and 4 of them meet the requirement. Contesting that category is just a transparent attempt to remove a category Bloodborne can't win. Not that Bloodborne is bad by any means or undeserving of winning any other category listed, but you just need to shut up you dumb faggot.
>Best Intro
>Exactly like that one
Yeah fair to a point. But then again, the Asylum Demon intro is iconic as fuck. I wouldn't say it should be a category if DaS1 hadn't nailed it so effectively.
>DaS1 is way overrated
fucking duh
>>339467720
Sweet picture of Karla I'll add it to my Dark Souls 3 folder.
>>339467105
From a technical and balance standpoint, it definitely is. But the level design and atmosphere were top notch stuff, and the variety of unique bosses made for an interesting experience, even if a good chunk of them weren't traditionally hard.
>>339457449
I don't get the bitching about gank squads. I mean I get that shit is unfair as fuck, but now that the game has been out for awhile that shit is no longer that much of a problem. I've invaded a shitton today and I'd put it at 50% 1 phantom, 25% 2 phantoms 15% 3 phantoms and 10% alone just by how it felt. Collecting tongues is not a fucking problem.
>>339467793
>>339467880
DaS2 PvE is higher
>free choices of where to go
>wide variety of weapons, everything is viable yet nothing is truly overpowered, like DeS/DaS/BB magic
>ascetics, CoC, DLC
>>339467139
>best intro - dark souls
top lel. did you even play demon's souls?
>>339467887
DaS nailed the intro so well.
It perfectly built the basic lore of the world, introduced the major players the Gods and then finished it with the impending crisis of the game.
Honestly the intro's for the other game's were ok but not great.
>>339467887
DaS1 is my favourite and it seems unfair to me, considering it had more than one dragon fight while the others only had 1.
>>339468034
Yes, Demon souls is good, Dark Souls is better.
>>339468002
Even the /dsg/ roll image scribblings are good
No really where's the DeS fanart you praised
>>339468063
DaS3 is exactly the same shit.
Demon's is better.
BB was okay I guess.
DaS2 is the only bad Intro. And only because it really wasn't important afterall.
>>339467924
It's not a matter of tongues (at least not for me, I have to keep selling mine because I keep hitting the. 99/600 limit) but a matter of consistency. Ganking is incredibly consistent in all areas of the game with some rare exceptions. The only areas I can invade consistently where the host is alone is untended graves, CKG, and irithyll dungeon. Every other place I shit you not has been a 1v4 gank fest with seeds/dried finger on.
It's been a while since I played but now that I dwell on it I have my list of problems.
>lack of unique or interesting weapons/armor compared to past games
>many armor and weapons brought back, most of which are the boring and uninspired ones that look ugly, are underpowered, and aren't worth getting
>most areas have bad pacing and are very linear, not a lot of good secrets or interconnection between levels
>maps grow out horizontally instead of vertically, similar to DS2 instead of DS1
>many bosses aren't memorable, they're inbetween being just hard enough to be memorable and being easy and far from exotic enough to be forgettable
>hardest boss in the game is the easiest "hardest boss of the game" in the entire series
>tutorial boss is just a tutorial boss that you're expected to beat and pass normally instead of someone well more powerful but rewarding for experienced players
>most places that would make up multiple portions of the level in Demon's Souls or Dark Souls only make up a very small area of the level before moving on to the next portion, making maps feel more like a patchwork quilt than an actual location
>can still cheat with cheatengine
>anticheat detects controllers as cheating software but not cheatengine
>no real "new" locations, all are just echoes of some of the most boring locations in previous games
>anor londo is just a door and three stairways straight to the boss, the obstacle being just a lot of enemies in a huge empty space
>a lot of maps feel like they're made specifically with cheesing in mind, a lot of vantage points where you can just stand and arrow big enemies
>enemies never jump up to hit you when you try this, something one would expect of the series at this point
>item progression has become retarded to a far less complicated level, rendering it trivial
>minor resources rain down from the sky and seem to take the place of where rare hard-to-get items should be, similar to DS2's moss problem
>shitty endings
>>339467808
Thank god I never had to experience that due to the pretty dead online. PvP in these games fucking suck.
>>339467880
BB > DaS3 > DeS >> DaS1 >>> DaS2
That's how I see it, anyways. I don't know how you atmospherefags or PvPfags do things, but I'm looking at this entirely from a gameplay point of view played primarily for PvE purposes.
BB and DaS3 are extremely close, but BB's combat is simply better.
>>339468140
Just take a look, jesus
http://www.pixiv.net/search.php?word=ダークソウル3
>>339468002
hmm. this is true actually, there was good depth and freedom in DaS2's PvE that i had forgotten. I might play through that again soon
>>339468109
But Dark Souls 1 didn't win Best Dragon Fight. Kalameet won. I would consider Ancient Dragon better than a lot if not most of the dragons in DaS1, but not better than Kalameet. I see your issue, but when the issue is quality then quantity shouldn't matter.
>>339465230
Just want to butt in and say that's not a fact, it's an opinion. A good opinion, but still not a fact.
>>339468147
>DaS intro
>Introduces the concept of the fire and what it means
>Introduces the 4 Lords
>Introduces the backstory and history of them against the dragons
>Introduces the pending crisis of civilization petering out
>All voiced, paced with scenes for all of them
>Demon Souls Intro
>Text at the start explaining vaguelly a poison introduced to the world
>Scene of soldier brawl
Your a fucking idiot to rate Demon souls intro high at all.
Try watching it.
>>339468271
>I'm looking at this entirely from a gameplay point of view played primarily for PvE purposes
and you put DaS2 last? don't tell lies pham
>>339468339
Fair enough.
Dark Souls: Director's Cut when?
>>339468408
He's right though. Keep in mind DLC doesn't count senpai sorry. No extra credit here
>>339468391
So how is das3 the worst.
Exactly the same as the das1 intro
>>339468408
Yes. Adaptability is a sin upon this series' very nature.
And I don't care about how much content there is. If so much of that content is mediocre, then why should anyone bother?
>>339468271
>BB > DaS3 > DeS >> DaS1 >>> DaS2
That is so reasonable you will get nothing but get shit on anon.
I completely agree though.
>>339468463
Just play DS3. It's just the same shit from DS1 regurgitated, but with a nexus instead.
I get the feeling that the plot to Dark Souls games is like one of those Mad Libs books where they just insert new words in the same spots as last time, except some of the words don't change to make you think the lore of the first game is still relevant.
>>339468339
>Ancient Dragon better than a lot if not most of the dragons in DaS1
Come again?
>>339468478
If your a new player.
You have no fucking idea what the intro for DS3 meant.
It also had NO ACTION.
Gwyn readying a lightning bolt to take out the dragons is better then the entirety of every fucking Lord of Cinder shown in DS3 intro.
DS3 Intro is this
>Abyss watchers waking up and standing up
>Aldritch the ooze
>Yhorm the giant wakes up and goes on fire
Its a shit intro.
>>339468509
>Adaptability is a sin
How so? It's very easy to get 88 agi, which gives you normal, serviceable rolls and anything above that requires a massive stat investment, setting you back in other areas.
>>339468543
I did once, but the game is designed in a way that makes subsequent playthroughs uninteresting.
>>339468478
>DaS3 same intro as DaS1
>DaS1 has Gwyn's fucking army ready to bolt the shit out of the dragons
>DaS3 intro is everyone waking up from their grave.
How the fuck you can even compare it shitlord.
>>339467667
ds3 was a lot more drab and dull
could compare it to demons souls more
>>339465890
Haha underated post.
>>339468509
>spend 9 levels on ADP
>never an issue
No problem at all, unlike World Tendency, SUMMONING FAILED, bloodgems, and the sheer amount of bitter ganking in 3
It's not like you need 1200 HP before Pursuer or anything
Dark Souls has people making pretty cool video recreations of the game with source film maker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DGe4RtPmWw
What has the other games achieved? not this.
>>339468391
>begin dark souls 1
>feel confused, have no idea who any of these people are or what signifigance they have
>youre in a prison, a guy gives you a key, you get out
>see big demon, run away
>knight that gave you the key dies, cant get his gear, whatever
>leave the asylum via crow
>you must ring the bells chosen undead!
>lol okay
>40 hours later some vague details from the intro come into view again
>>339468063
Dark Souls 2 also nailed the intro and it's criminal that it never gets brought up
Really gets you into the horror of hollowing and just how feeble you are at the start
Demon's souls: Kill the vanguard to get bonus items and to see Dragon God
Dark Souls: Kill the asylum demon when he first appears to get his hammer
Dark Souls 2: Kill the pursuer when he first appears to get the ring of blades
Dark Souls 3:...
Between this and no tail weapons despite being full of call backs the game rubbed me up the wrong way.
>>339468751
Your an undead, a plague like lepers that are holed up in a prison.
Did you even watch the fucking intro you autist, it explains it to you.
>>339468936
You get RoB regardless of where you beat Pursuer.
>>339468936
Dark Souls 3: pick rusted gold coins and cry in frustration as all 7 are spend on that early game tough enemy with that 0.5% drop without getting it
>>339468936
>Dark Souls: Kill the asylum demon when he first appears to get his hammer
That one is the stupidest.
It is easy really easy with bombs.
Annoyingly long without them. Not hard just long.
And the reward is hammer that is useless at the beginning and needs ridiculous amounts of str.
Conceptually I guess it is good but Demon's did it great and DaS2 was even better.
Hell I take early dancer as an advanced player challenge over the asylum demon retardation.
>>339468936
>Dark Souls 2: Kill the pursuer when he first appears to get the ring of blades
Or kill the boss and you get the ring of blades regardless.
Attention to all sorc, hexer, miracle and no shield fags. When playing the DLC in DaS2 and you are a soloist that don't want to summon suggesting that you get simpleton's ring and ALWAYS equip it. It makes dodging more like BB levels since DLC enemies are dishing out damage out of the ass with multiple strikes and ganks.
Just putting it out there since a lot of people are complaining about low poise damage weapon and magic being nearly useless.
>>339469083
Carthus curved sword doesn't ever drop. It just fucking doesn't.
>>339468936
For DaS2 there's also kill the 1St forest troll to get the Stone Ring.
>>339468936
Its some of the things that keep coming back that piss me off. Like poison swamps. Do we really need a poison swamp in every game? It feels like an excuse to make certain status ailments relevant.
>>339469086
At least it had it. Dark souls 1 rewards you with tail cutting, dark souls 2 rewards you with Company of champs cov, dark souls 3 does absolutely nothing to entice skilled players to try harder or go about something in a more purest way. It panders to the LCD
>>339469027
okay but theres undead and demons and a black knight and a knight of astora just wandering around the place
so why are just you in particular locked up? it seems like everyone else is allowed do as they please. its a prison with no staff, where all manner of people and creatures roam free, except you
the whole prison area, while an interesting place, was a bit pointless, it could have just said the dark sign draws undead to lordran and you start from the bonfire outside the burg
>>339469168
Hence why you should get it if you're a hollow/ luck build. If you still haven't gotten it with SOA, CGS ring, and luck, I'm very sorry anon
>>339469205
You can kill Dancer and Oceiros for a quick MLGS for sorcery builds. That's about it though.
>>339468609
This.
The intro of DS3 is complete shit because it doesn't explain anything. Not even why the fire going out is a bad thing that you need to stop. It shows off the bosses and that's about it.
>>339469324
I still don't understand why the fire going out is a bad thing. In fact, I was under the impression that it was a good thing because it meant the start of the age of humanity or something.
How is hollow weapon infusion? Worth it on low req weapons?
>>339469282
Prison area was just a tutorial area, really.
>>339469168
Lies I have one and I'v only just run into the bonfire in Carthus. Maybe you're just unlucky
>>339469464
Absolutely not. Hollow benefits most from quality and luck investment. It's a build that requires heavy investment and health and/or ENd sacrifices. Unless you go dex/luck which severely limits your weapon selection
>>339457606
It works better as a gimmick reserved for fights that benefit off of the transition. Some fights in DaS3 have forms that are obscenely less fun than the other, like Soul of Cinder's second form. He would have benefited more if the fight consisted of 5 smaller hp pools instead.
Some fights like Vordt and Yorhm barely even pass being called multi-phase. Crystal sage and twin princes might as well have been in phase 2 the entire time
I'd say Nameless King, the Gundyr fights, and Abyss watchers were the only fights to pull off the multi-phase concept elegantly
>>339469447
Hollows are the natural state of humanity to which they will return once the fire goes out. Finding the fire made them into humans as we know them and linking it will prolong humanity's existence for another age. If the fire goes out, it's dark age of everlasting stillness again.
Heard you guys talking shit about my intro.
>>339469576
what? No.
Hollow is for really low bleed/poison builds.
>>339469075
>>339469136
Alright replace that one with the ring for killing the ogre in things betwixt.
Point is Dark Souls 3 doesn't throw a tough optional fight at you to reward skilled players. Best you get is the titanite demon which kills itself on cliffs.
>>339469737
Dancer.
The lack of tail cutting really did bother me for some reason.
It's like i just keenly felt the designers had a NO FUN ALLOWED mindset.
>>339469737
Maybe the naked Uchi guy was supposed to be that. But that's after the first boss isn't it?
>people unironically shitting on second phase boss.
hell fuck no if im going back to the most dull 1 dimension shit boss fight in das1 and das2 again. if there's one thing das3 did good is copying BB boss fight. although they could have benefited from larger HP pool so more moveset can be manisfested with enough time.
>>339469829
Playing Dark Souls always makes me want to stop playing and start playing Monster Hunter instead. Tail-cutting just made that urge greater.
>>339469162
What? People complain magic is uselss in DS3 which it is. Magic in DS2 is second only to Demon's souls in power.
>>339469893
>muh phases
Any concept becomes dull as shit if it's repeated too much, no matter how good it may seem.
>>339464536
It's not as horrible as most people are making it out to be but it is very underwhelming when compared to demon's and DaS1 magic.
Some spells like the darts and pestilent mercury are outright useless, others feel like they should be more powerful than they are but can still be applied creatively. You have to remember that the game is balanced differently this time. You can potentially have 15 ash estus flasks at a time and a full mp bar can cast CSS like 4 or so times, so the damage has to be balanced accordingly.
Magic only really comes close to how it used to feel when you've decked out your characters stats and loadout completely to boost the damage
>>339469939
all dlc mob and bosses have ridiculous magic resistance so its pretty much useless anyway.
>>339469829
i feel like it was almost a genuine oversight, like they meant to do it and forgot
theyre mentioned in one weapon description, and it felt like the oceiros fight was designed to let you get hits on the tail.
>>339469893
DaS1fags are idiots.
>>339468751
>intro explains half of your questions
>other half is revealed by item descriptions on required items that you will need to pick up to progress
Being confused like this is nothing but your own fault. Sorry the game can't spoonfeed you the plot through cutscenes and exposition: the characters. Maybe consider Dragon Age?
Seriously, this isn't lorefag-tier shit, listen to the fucking intro and then read descriptions of things like keys, and look around for NPC's and exhaust their dialogue. It tells you all you need to know.
>>339457606
>DS3 is miles and miles ahead of DS2
here comes dat meme
DaS2 is a great high fantasy sequel to DaS that has the best PVP, build variety, functioning covenants, and actual dual wielding.
A lot of the things DaS3 did was just copy things from DaS2.
In particular, eight way rolling and the ability to sprint while locked on was fucking great.
>>339469324
If the DS3 intro explained anything everyone would have realised how creatively bankrupt it is from the start.
You're killing bosses to get to the kiln and light yourself on fire, there's no plot twists or discoveries just background lore on what you kill while retreading DS1's plot.
>>339457449
>dark sword
>>339469814
That's not optional.
>>339469696
Poison and bleed is tied to damage though mang. The lower the weapons damage the slower the proc. So ideally you'd want a somewhat quality build to proc faster.
>>339470105
This
>>339466803
Havent played DeS but no way DS3 is better designed. Pure gameplay level design, maybe but the game is so repetitive. Areas all feel the same visually and the NPCs and their quests are fucking attrocious. Not a single one of the new ones are interesting.
DS3 has no charm, it's too edgy. A tiny bit of goofiness in the previous games added so much charm to it. In DS1 every NPC was crazy and bizarre. Lots of different themed areas and, again, bizarre and interesting enemies too.
>>339470025
Yes because 1 dimension fight with little moveset for all the bosses is soooooo much better amirite?excpecially if the boss have bloated hp it takes you 10 minutes to finished it wow so refreshing!!!
w-what's wrong with the wolf ring...
>>339470105
>creatively bankrupt
This would be a great subtitle for Dark Souls 3.
>>339470171
You can optionally start the fight at the beginning of the game before you even defeat Vordt, but I agree it's not the same.
>>339470171
it is optional to do her early just like it is optional to do the first boss in das1 before you get a weapon.
>>339470284
Nothing.
As in, it does nothing, nothing at all.
>>339469829
>Developers have a NO FUN ALLOWED mindset after the success of Dark Souls
>No Tail Cutting
>Blue Sentinel Bullshit
>Seed of Giants
>FUCKING BAJILLION NPC PHANTOMS TO HELP YOU EZMODE THE BOSSES
You are on to something anon
>>339470093
>ability to sprint
oh how i miss the delay 2 second before you sprint right?
>>339470261
>not having multiple phases = small movesets
retard
>>339470284
In previous games, nothing. In 3 poise simply doesn't seem to work, so its usability is very questionable.
At the very least, we know that poise in 3 doesn't work like in 1 or 2. There is some hypothesis about it affecting rolling iframes somehow, but it's dodgy and untested. So far, nobody has recorded proof of poise doing anything noticeable at all.
>>339470375
>from continues the trend of letting you summon npc phantoms for the piss easy bosses
>difficult bosses have no summons
hmmm
>>339470105
>Lets rehash Dark Souls characters
>Oh lets make it so Gwyndolin didn't die to the player in DS1
>LOL HE DIED BACKSTAGE ANYWAY
For fucks sake this was retarded.
>>339469447
I think the game tries to make you live the dark age in one secret area and that's kind of cool but I agree with you and the other anons in general.
>>339470289
it wasnt that bad. it just had poor execution
a modding team with a bit of soul and passion could add just a bit of polish to DaS3 and make it amazing. make the stats make sense, change the encounter design in a few areas, make a few other types of weapon as viable in PvP as spamming R1 with the broadsword and shield. just little things
>>339470375
It legitimately seems like they're just going through the motions on the second and third game. There is no love present in these games, and it is sad to see.
>>339470296
But you can't get a unique reward for fighting dancer early like you can with the demon.
>>339469939
In the main game it's powerful enough to rekt all enemies with pure casting. In the DLC they recalculated all offensive spells be it hex, sorcery or miracle to be reduced in damage don't know how many percent. But infused weapons with any element is doing fine as they the calculation for resistance is as is like the main game enemies.
That said offensive magic is still useful in getting out of tricky situations but just not in a 1000 damage way of dishing it out as the main game. Also it is as if the DLCs are designed to encourage summoning as part of the adventure because of the enemies you deal with dishes out a lot of damage and has heightened resistance which is not limited to elemental.
>>339470414
pease tell me which bosses in das1 have variety combos of moveset that surpassed das3?
>O&S and artorias
they have second phase which is ironically make them one of the most memorable fight in the game. the only one i think is manus&kalameet but then those 2 are endgame dlc bosses so it was to be expected for them to have crazy moveset.
>>339470515
It isn't about stats. The game has no creativity except some bosses.
>>339470093
DaS2 is just great but I feel that it forced the combat formula too much in a direction that isn't as fun as the fast paced BB/DaS3 style.
Sure, you can call that personal preference, but it's more than just that. The animation work in DaS2 is objectively worse than even DaS, and it makes the already weird shift into slower, more tactical combat feel even more uncanny.
After 400 hours of BB+DaS3 going back to DaS2 feels awful. It's incredibly slow, the animations feel so weird, and you're equally punished for rolling and blocking the best damage mitigation is spacing out enemies, which is absolute suffering in the first parts of the game, on SotFS.
Again yeah sure, call this opinions if you want, but I think no matter how much you like DaS2 you can agree it's the most "different" game and requires a bit of a special taste to enjoy how they changed it up.
Try to understand why people hate it for that, too.
>decide to try out creighton's axe in faith build
>raw infusion +10
>almost 800 AR with the appropriate buffs
>on a weapon that i can swing like 10 times before running out of stamina
Holy shit, i even eviscerated nameless king quickly, AND HE'S RESISTANT TO LIGHTNING
>>339470538
The reward is early access to Upper Lothric, which has a variety of useful items. With that said, it's probably the worst place to sequence break since Lothric Castle is a meat grinder for newer players, and not spawning the Grand Archives Key until you beat the other Lords is total horseshit.
>>339470538
The whole area is a bonus.
The dark room with the bomb barrels isn't dark. Because the sun hasn'T gone out yet.
You can go all the way to Champion Gundyr and Dragonslayer Armor.
all their souls can be made into weapons and shit. Same with dancer.
Then there is the miracle book
and 1 estus shard and undead bone shard.
>>339470516
You put it perfectly.
Demon Souls/Dark Souls/BB you could feel their passion and them trying out some shit.
Dark Souls 2/Dark Souls 3 it was fully safe-mode, completely uninspiring game both in design, lore etc.
Granted we got some big misses like chalice dungeons, but you gotta take the good with the bad.
>>339470780
DaS1 felt more soulless than das3.
>Dark Souls 1
>The fire is fading it's the end of the world!
>Dark Souls 2
>The fire is fading it's the end of the world but it's happened several times before because someone always burns themselves
>Dark Souls 3
>There's no more people to burn this time it's really over. Except the firekeeper admits that her new eyes let her see embers in the distant abyss so even if nobody shows up the fire will sort itself out anyway.
You're trying really hard to lose all stakes from your own plot Miyazaki you hack.
>>339470813
DaS3 felt like Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy.
>>339470669
you could get similar results with 40/40 and sunlight straight sword with its own buff and either carthus flame arc or lightning weapon, and SLSS has better stamina efficiency and moveset
>>339470659
>pease tell me which bosses in das1 have variety combos of moveset that surpassed das3?
Why are you assuming I'm a DS1 fanboy? I'm not. It had almost nothing but bad to mediocre bosses, but it's not because Taurus Demon didn't go SSGSS after you wailed on its big toe enough.
Having a boss with multiple phases means you're potentially locked out of seeing its entire moveset, especially if it's stingy on showing its multiple phases or dies quickly. Just look at the Pursuer to see multiple phases done wrong. He has more moves than almost every boss in DS2, but he resorts to using a predictable gap closer almost every time because he decided you weren't good enough to see his shockwaves.
>>339470869
>40/40
But that is the great thing about the dragonslayer axe. It is goat raw at 18/14
>>339470714
shhhhh dont ell them that. all they want is to fight twin bosses and thats the only thing they care for. its not like early access to untended grave, path of the dragon mean anything at all.
>>339470869
I had 35 vigor, 24 attunement, 35 endurance, 40 fth, and 18/18 str/dex. I'd like to think i was doing a lot of damage for someone with a lot of health, fp, and stamina. Plus most shit in this game is weak to lightning.
>>339470852
>DS1
>The Dark is pretty bad stuff
>DS3
>The deep is darker then the dark and is pretty bad too, does the same shit like mutating people and turning them bad
Are they rehashing their own themes?
>>339471013
DaS3 deep is eldritch.
>>339471013
You're starting to catch on, anon.
>>339471032
Everything is Eldritch, its fucking From. The only originality they bring to medieval fantasy is the stuff they take from Lovecraft.
>>339471013
DS1 Dark is portrayed as bad, but the DLC also implies that only you, a child of the Dark, were the only one who could enter the Abyss and face it
DS2 also goes around the whole "the Dark is within every single one of us and you must learn to master it" shit
>>339471013
Is the deep just Yharnam?
>>339467157
This basically. Gwyn gets WAY too much hate just because he is parryable. Parrying a boss just because it is an option is only making it less fun for yourself.
>>339470661
The same can be applied to DS3 and its combat speed and lack of poise greatly rewarding players for R1 spamming.
DS2 is DS1 but slower and requires the player to be more methodical with their movements since it throws so many groups at you who all spin on a dime.
DS3 is DS1 but faster and rewards aggressively hitting enemies first instead of waiting for their opening.
>>339471013
The dark is never implied to be bad.
>>339471152
Most parry-fags read a fucking walkthrough.
Realistically, very few people would try to parry Gwyn since you couldn't parry any fucking boss in the game prior to him.
>>339464665
>See Ludwig
>I'm a salty PCuck who hasn't played BB
His second form cutscene triggers when you get him to half health you fucking retard
What you're describing is Abyss Watchers + Twin Princes, Soul of Cinder technically does it as well but doesn't have a cutscene at any point
>>339470852
>kept linking the flame in one and 2 like a good goym
>3 supposed to be the last game, dont need to be their nigger any mo'
>choose the dark ending
still cant kill the world forever. there's going to be a ds4 for sure too
>>339471246
You do realize Gwyn hated the shit out of man and the dark.
>>339471152
Soul of Cinder is a way better version of him.
Allant came both first and was way better than both of them.
Miyazaki admitted he himself thought Gwyn was shit.
>>339471005
>>339470963
interesting
i think in the context of DaS3 and its bullshit damage reduction and poise, starting deprived and putting 30 points into each of str/dex and 6 into faith will allow you to do outrageous damage with carthus arc and the SLSS buff and swing 6 times with with a full stamina bar if you wear the right rings
you can also use the bow of pharis very efficiently with those stats to really cheese in PvE
and you'll only be SL66 or so. if you wanna get to the SL80 PvP tier you have 14 more points to diversify your build
>>339467880
>pve
DeS > DaS1 > DaS3 > DaS2
yes
>pvp
DaS2 > DaS1 > DeS > DaS3
hell no
>pvp fixed
Das1=DeS>Das3>shit>das2
>>339471301
And Gwyn is a psychotic dick, so the things he hates must be pretty good.
>>339470950
>potentially locked out of seeing its entire moveset, especially if it's stingy on showing its multiple phases or dies quickly
>proceed to shit on second phase
what the fuck are you even complaining right now? then its not the problem of second phase but more like the lack of HP pool is the root cause which is what im originally said so anyway so wtf.
>>339471301
You mean the guy who's the final boss? The guy you actively fight with? That one guy who's NOT human? Good to know.
>>339467718
I've seen a really nice Old Monk pic. I'll find it.
>>339471339
Damage reduction is ridiculously strong. Unless that is what you meant with bullshit.
>>339471152
Gwyn is way too easy even without parrying.
>>339470669
>almost 800 AR with the appropriate buffs
I'm calling horse shit on this one
at +10 raw, it has 472 total AR, which is very impressive, but even with RTsR, Morion blade, power within, Sacred oath, lightning clutch ring, dragon roar, warcry and SSS buff combined it shouldn't get any higher than like 650
>>339471405
if you put 5 points into the stat that lets you carry more gear on that build and us havel ring you can wear assassin hood, faraam chest, leonhard gloves and EK boots to get between 24-20% on everything. as well as carrying sword, sheild, bow and casting charm
>>339471473
Kinda forgot lightning blade here.
He is faith after all.
>>339471473
Call bullshit all you like
>deep protection
>sacred oath
>lightning blade
>a good talisman
>lloyds ring
Drives it up to near 800. Try it yourself.
>>339471368
Nice reading comprehension dumbshit.
>>339471394
The guy that everyone venerates, so yes the Dark was IMPLIED to be bad in the game.
Whether you believe that is up to you, but literally everyone straight up considered it bad except Kaathe.
Even Karla in DS3 tells you that this kind of knowledge has to be secret because people would lose their shit if they knew Man had Dark in them retard.
>>339471605
if you can spare the weight the buff from Sunlight great sword will stack with all that and it stays when you put the sword way
>>339471605
>>339471548
I wasnt aware it could be buffed. I assumed that since it had innate lightning damage it couldnt get that far
>>339471738
Fair assumption.
Wrong though.
What the fuck is the difference between the Blue Sentinels and Darkmoon? I'm scrathing my head in confusion as there is no notable difference in function.
>>339471738
That's the beauty of it. Even without faith/int investment, you can use carthus flame arc or resins on it.
>>339471694
The snail guy in Firelink Shrine uses dark to level you up for free, I'd say that wins a whole lotta points for the dark side with most people.
>>339471807
Blue Sentinels is basically just early Darkmoons.
Lorewise they couldn't just have emma give you darkmoons
>>339471738
Nope, you can buff it. Surprised me too. I also think FROM buffed talismans/chimes, my spell buff is in the 160s i think at only +6 talisman.
>>339471819
>carthus flame arc or resins on it.
Carthus flame arc would be retarded.
You would be splitting the damage 3 ways.
Gold Pine Resin or lightning really are the only options.
Don't be stupid.
>>339462459
I always do honoraburry fightaru when I get invaded, the only time im embered is when bro-oping with my bro.
I've found that by gesturing a bit as an invader you can get honourably fights with 1/3 of the people I invade. I am playing with regional matchmaking on and I live in northern Europe though. but whenever I have a particually annoying invader their steam profiles always say Puerto Rico or some other, non-northern European, shithole.
just fucking behave yourself nigga
>>339471807
Darkmoon blades only works in irithyll/anor londo
>>339471694
No, dark was implied to be part of man, and the gods were dicks that thought they were above us, SOON LONDOR WILL BE WHOLE AGAIN SCUM. SOON.
>>339471687
back at you too dumbshit
>>339471862
>>339471963
Your not really rebutting the point that the DARK is IMPLIED to be bad.
Kaathe and Yuria of course beg to differ, but the Gods, to whom everyone fucking praises, considered it bad.
>>339472089
But you immediately know that you're supposed to kill the gods, and players typically don't agree with their enemies. Besides, I thought the intro to the first one implied that the pygmy preferred the dark.
>>339471198
Aggressive play is not the same as R1 spamming, and shouldn't be classed as such. Done right, an aggressive playstyle requires a lot of thought.
"R1 spammers" in DaS3 is the same as "hex spammers" in DaS2, for example. Sure it trivializes the game for a new player and is a faceroll way to get through, but it's a flawed way to play that gets countered and shat on all the time (both in PvE and PvP), it's just barely good enough to make it through anyway.
I prefer the slightly spammy, aggressive BB style over the slow DaS2 style where enemies blatantly disregard rules that you as a player have to obey, and smack you in the face with their cheating. NPC invaders? It's silly.
>>339466704
>Das 2 is cancer meme
Face it the multiple choices of Das 2 are one of its best parts
>>339472303
All enemies in every souls game cheat by not having to wait for stamina recovery, not having limited spells and swinging through walls.
Also DS 2's dlc invaders were the best in the series so I don't know what you're complaining about.
>>339472251
You kill the God's not because their portrayed as evil, but that you need their souls to light the fire.
Gwyn is basically venerated as fucking Zeus, and him linking the fire was portrayed as an act of a martyr.
The only one that you kill that would be 'evil' is the witch, because she got mutated into a monster
>>339470963
please explain more
>>339464229
>game is better than dark souls 2
Honestly I'll only agree to that because of spices and soul memory.
If it weren't for that shit I would of preferred vanilla patched 2.
>>339473282
Get 18 str 14 dex
Make the dragonslayer axe raw.
Then either spend the rest of your levels on Vig/End and buff it with gold pine resin or go faith and buff it with lightning blade.
Or don't buff it at all. The weapon art moveset is also great.
>>339473392
What SL is this best at?
>>339473675
38-64
>>339473675
It would seem that the silliest that the weapon gets is at higher levels. Fully upgraded with lightning weapon at around 45 faith gets it more AR than a dragonslayers greataxe, but it can swing twice as fast
>>339472089
The gods built their status and kingdoms as iron-fisted warlords, so people probably didn't have much choice about venerating them.
>>339471958
Darkmoons can get summoned anywhere, they're literally blue sentinels with a different aura.
>>339473873
I seriously doubt that. Faith 45 lightning infused axe is stronger thank DSGA? Only with a faith buff and weapon buff
>>339471259
No fucking shit. The problem is the new, replenished health bar that comes with second forms. That's why Ludwig was a good example of it done right.
Fucking idiot.
>>339473873
Not really.
Faith overall isn't that good sadly and Creightons axe is strongest raw.
It is the best faith weapon imo but I think it is even better just with resisn.
>>339457449
>be NG+5 as level 80
>refuse to go higher since it turns character super-sayan
>dancer pretty much 1shots me at full hp with whatever armor I'm wearing
>summon 3 sunfags and watch them get ripped to shreds since they are also level 80 +/- 10.
>>339474178
Fully upgraded DGA has roughly 650 total AR
DA raw +10 has 472 AR, and gets +182 lightning AR when lightning blade is used with a cleric's sacred chime +10 at 45 faith
>mfw the Gargoyle Flame Hammer
I feel like Macready during the third act of The Thing
>>339474442
So 72 lightning damage for 45 faith? That is not worth it.
Use gold pine bundles.
Rolling uses too little stamina
time between rolls is fast
healing is too fast
2v1 prioritized
15 flasks (this is a ridiculous amount no one needs, I think 10 max throughout the game would be a better amount)
The problem isn't any of these things individually, but they all come together to form some seriously annoying BS for invaders to deal with. I'd rather not play. Goodbye dark souls 3.
I'm a PC user, I never played Bloodborne but it looks like that game had some of these exact same issues in PvP? They should've learned from their mistakes but unfortunately they got the exact same 10/10s from everyone they always do.
>>339474556
no, when I said +182 lightning ar i meant thats how much additional lightning damage that lightning blade should add, as opposed to LPR's 90
>>339474518
It's so good
>>339474740
>annoying BS for invaders to deal with
AKA "invincibility" that relies on your opponents being bad to win.
>this thread
Unreal at how much /v/ hates games...
And how much everyone wants to follow the consensus among /v/
>ds3 is a great game 2nd best in the series although not played des
>>339474857
Well generally you want to use the Bundle because in invasions you don't really get the whole honorable duel.
Which gives you +120 lightning
>>339474914
>>ds3 is a great game 2nd best in the series although not played des
Is that your opinion or is that what you strongly disagree with?
>>339474740
>rolling uses little stamina
Same as BB unfortunately
>time between rolls is fast
Also same, but certain weapons can punish dash spamming hard like BoM, whirligig, and Logarius wheel
>healing is too fast
It's actually slightly slower and if you shoot them while healing you can potentially 1 shot them, host or not
>2v1 prioritized
Ganks are ineffective as well as rare in BB
>15 flasks
20 vials (more if you use runes) everyone has same amount of health and bullets just a slight health penalty for invaders but you always have mobs, no seeds here
Only real complaint about BB is gem grinding can be a hassle if it's your first time doing it and you don't know where to go
>>339475015
bundles are nice but are only really usable pvp when you get the jump on people or in between a parry and riposte
>>339475165
Bundles are the fast ones right?
You use a few in most fights or you switch it up between weapon art for the moveset and budles.
After a parry I would almost use a resin not a bundle.
>>339462459
well fuck you asshole, I don't want to be invaded. If you invade me, you are going to get ganked.
>>339475279
>i don't want to be invaded, but I'm too bad to play without 3 butt buddies holding my hand through the whole level
Play offline or non embered and git gud
>>339475279
don't worry we don't blame you, we blame the rule set we're forced to play under.
(well, the guy you're quoting did say "buttbuddies" so he's a bit of a moron, most hosts are just guys struggling with PVE so they ember up)
>>339474914
They're all pretty good except for DaS2, which I'm going to continue pretending doesn't exist
DaS1 and DeS are both great, and while I like Dark better, I wouldn't knock anyone for preferring Demon's
DaS3 was a valiant effort but I can't see it ever being as memorable as the first two
It's more like a solid homage to the series
The PvP is also pretty fun once you learn to counter the immediate bullshit like R1 spam, better than 2 by miles but still not quite as fun as the first two games
I like how they handled backstabs
>>339475242
>After a parry I would almost use a resin
That would be way too slow
He means use the bundle after the parry but before the riposte
It looks cool as fuck to do
>>339475408
>most hosts are guys struggling with PvE so they ember up
You're that delusional to believe that the host with his 3 phantoms with seeds/dried finger on chilling in the summoning nest is trying to play through the level? Even though they make no effort to move until you invade and they bum rush you?
>>339475362
spare me your faux indignation, you invading fuckers use every dirty trick in the book and you deserve the ganking you get. If YOU don't like getting ganked, YOU should "git gud".
Faggot.
>>339475571
>YOU should git gud
I have to be better than fighting 4 people at once that heal spam and can take all my advantages away because of pre-area clearing/seeds? Lol wut? That's like saying you deserved getting your ass kicked when you got jumped by 10 niggers. You should've been better than overwhelming force.
>>339475362
summoning is the game's easy mode so you're damn right they're going to summon.
remember a large percentage of the player base want an easy mode for this game.
hate the game not the players. it's a bad system when there could be 10000 embered hosts with no summons and 1 guy with summons and the game will prioritize match you with the 1 guy who doesn't even WANT to PvP and will probably disconnect.
>>339475571
How about YOU git gud at 1v1s? You already have double estus and 30% more health...
>>339475698
YOU are choosing to enter into those conditions and try to ruin someone's progress. If you're not good enough to do that, too bad.
>>339475571
As an invader, I'm with you all the way until seeds
Seeds are bullshit that take away the only advantage an invader has
Hosts that clear the entire area of enemies are faggots too
They usually suck dick so the invader still wins though
Invaders definitely need to stop whining though, there's nothing better than an opportunity to gankspank
It'd be nice if phantoms (including red) didn't get Estus, so this shit didn't drag on forever though
>>339457449
no pun intended
dark souls 3 has no soul
it's a shameless cash grab, a "greatest hits" compilation of mediocrity
>>339475809
1v1 is totally different. If nobody uses estus and the invader doesn't exploit the mobs, then ganking is wrong. But invaders never fucking do that, and that's why we have fight club areas.
>>339467201
> show me quality DeS fan art.
A_tale_of_two_adventurers.jpg
>>339475880
So the invader essentially has to cuck himself by playing by your rules only or you'll gank him? You sound like a can't win/won't play type of shill
>>339475976
no, it's FROM's rules and you should know them. You're basically mad because you can't prey on people so easily anymore. But guess what? They gave you estus now, so git gud and shut up.
>>339475809
Different guy but maybe some people want to just enjoy the game insted of fucking with tryhard babies with minmaxed meta builds that run behind enemies when they are losing? I rarely die to invaders because red eye orb is so easily attained that every retard has it now but it can still be fucking annoying
>>339476054
You're gonna complain about invaders running behind mobs when seeds exist? You sound so fucking retarded right now
>>339476132
you realize how seeds must be obtained? You sound so fucking retarded right now.
>>339476034
>you're basically mad you can't prey on people so easily so more
Invading has always been a gank spank-o-Rama. How new are you? If I'm mad about anything it's seeds and prioritized searches for people with phantoms
>>339476164
By getting invaded. Which if you're a dried finger spamming ganker you should have no problem getting some. You still sound fucking retarded for bitching about the 1 advantage the invader has that is easily turned against them
>>339476239
so you've been whining like a bitch since Dark Souls 2? Have you been also whining about ganking since Demon's Souls?
Methinks whining is just what you do. Invaders have their advantages, they play dirty, and so the invaded need their own tricks. FFS you have estus now, git gud and shaddup.
>>339476347
Does this post >>339476054 seem like someone who's a "dried finger spamming ganker " to you? You don't necessarily have seed if you just play the PVE for fun
>>339476364
>criticizing game choices that benefit me means you're bitching.
>invaders gain 1 advantage but lose 3
> I can't argue so I'm going to say git gud and shut up. My whole response looks like it was typed by jar jar binks
>>339457606
No it's really boring. I felt like every other boss has either
>ENRAGE MODE AT 50%
or
>Gets back up when life bar reaches 0
When so many bosses do that, it doesn't feel unique, it feels like a gimmick. Towards the end of the game, every boss does this, every one. It feels cheesy and it fucking sucks.
>>339476565
I also laughed at "dried finger spammers". Who the fuck does that? Nobody. I just don't think he realizes that some people play the PvE for fun. He thinks this is all for PvP, but the little bitch should just go back to the forest with his giant dad build.
>>339476708
don't pretend like your only advantage is mobs. I know all about item laundering, and you know you've got a PvP optimized build. Plus you only have to kill the host, even if it kills you. Plus you have estus now.
I say again, git gud.
>>339476364
What advantages? That they can hide behind mobs? They're gimped in every other way, they couldn't even chug before ds3.
>>339476565
No, but my post wasn't responding to him, so you're post makes no sense...
>>339476880
My only advantage is mobs. The only way my "PvP optimized build" as you put it would be unfair would be if the host is retarded and dumped all his points into intelligence but uses a great club. And what're you on about item laundering? Do you mean duping? Because everyone can do that, so how is it an advantage?
>>339476773
Who dried finger spams? Have you ever invaded? Like ever? If not, don't respond
You know what.
I prefer The souls game to have less wombo combo Pure aggression bosses and instead build more attack patterns and even intentionally fake-attack patterns into bosses.
Making Dark Souls 3 feel like a mash between DaS and BB just didn't feel right.
The Greatsword Knights wombo combo attack pattersn are more annoying then anything else.
I only really play souls games for pvp so I rank them as such:
DaS3 = DaS2 > DaS > DeS > mario party > bloodborne
PvE is a different matter, but DaS2 had the most complex pvp system with all the variables and DaS3 is just quite clutch with its pvp and I find them both tohoroughly enjoyable experiences. DaS was a bit primitive in the pvp and demon's even more so. BB I couldn't even find people to pvp and the few times I did it was complete ass.
>3rd game out
>now we all love 2
the meme is real
>>339477543
Why do people shit on Bloodbornes PVP? Haven't played the game. Is the healing like grass in DeS or what?
>>339477493
Yeah, enemies with endless combos and stamina are just annoying to fight, especially with the crazy tracking.
Fuck these saber knights in Irithyll, they never stop swinging once they started
>>339477797
No, people like to shit on BB because it's exclusive and they don't like being wrong about project beast
>>339477857
It's funny because sonyponies will defend BB to the death and pretend it's the greatest thing since sliced bread because it is an exclusive. That's why BB threads are usually so bad, it's just two pairs of angry people screaming at eachother for fivehundred posts
>>339477818
Are you kidding me? They're insanely parriable and those knights in irithyl stagger if you so much as bow on them.
>>339477797
>>339477857
Every match boiled down to circling each other waiting for the other one to attack, which they never did, and if you every tried to initiate you just got inevitably punished for it which you could not turn back in your favour, thus returning to the circling and waiting.
It was lame as fuck, and in invasions the heals just never ended. The speed of the combat that made the PvE so fun really shat all over the pvp experience
>>339477131
>2016
>doesn't know about item laundering
>thinks it's the same as duping
Does it hurt to be so new?
>>339462279
You've got brain problems, the Nameless King battle is fine as it is, dragon first phase included.
>>339477131
that's a huge fucking advantage. You only have one thing trying to kill you, the host has everything. Seeds level the playing field, and you invade knowing full well that and sunbros are a real possibility. Git gud and quit yer bitchin.
As a mound maker, I just have to kill a few phantoms or the host to win. I also have unlimited attempts with no consequences for losing the invasion, so it's no big deal if I lose. Gankers are pretty shit at the game most of the time, too. I just enjoy fucking with people that can't even progress with phantoms without seeding. If they do seed, I just black crystal out. The real fun is taking a big shit on their progress, and occasionally spanking the whole gank.
>>339478000
That's not why people defend BB. I don't know if you're aware so I'll educate you. Back before BB came it out it was leaked as "Project Beast". Everyone dismissed it as fanboy shilling/propaganda and that it was false. Then E3 rolled around and it turned out to be true, not only that but it's exclusive. People who were talking so much shit did straight up 360 degrees and walked away. This started the port begging threads every fucking day about BB pls cum to muh PC. Then people time and time again will attempt to shill it to make it seem like their flame was was justified. It wasn't. And still isn't. BB isn't perfect but it's a hell of a lot better than most people will admit just because it's exclusive.
>>339478194
Does it hurt to post a link to your supposed well known exploit? We are in 2016 after all.
Dark 3 is better than Dark 2, so that makes it good in my book. We've proven that Dark 2 was an unfortunate fluke and not the future of the franchise.
>>339478423
he's talking about giving items from a high level build to a friend, who then gifts them to your other lower-level build.
>>339478551
That doesn't work lol. You can only see a weapon dropped that's equal or below to the highest level you e upgraded to. Plus you can only invade +/- 2 of your weapon level
>>339457449
You're retarded.
How the hell is a story forced? It's a fucing story. You don't even have to pay attention to it.
PvP is great. Ganksquads aren't even a big deal, and are rare. I've invaded hundreds of times and getting more than two phantoms is rare as fuck.
Who cares about the community?
PvE is exceptional. There are plenty of varied builds and chellanges available, and if you want to speed through there are easy cheese builds (hidden body for one).
Gimmicks aren't a bad thing when sparse enough, and to see the stormruler back in action was awesome.
Health cliche autism? Do you even understand what you're saying?
Seriously, everything you said was outright wrong.
And for the record, Poise is in the game, only it fuctions differently. You wouldn't know because hey, you're retarded.
>people dislike some parts of Dark 3
>for some reason they've started praising Dark 2 because of this
>>339478613
works just fine with unupgraded shit. I gave a friend my FUGS from my level 70 build and he gave it back to my level 20 build just so I can spank you invaders in the road of sacrifices.
>>339478636
Do YOU know how poise works?
Inb4 rolling i frame data. That's affected by equip load
>Saying Dark Souls 3 is more unfinished than Dark Souls 1
Reminded why /v/'s a shit, uneducated place. Also forgot DaS was people's first Souls game instead of DeS.
Anyway, 3's biggest problem is weapon balancing, in terms of a PvE experience it's superior to 1 in any objective sense. After patches and DLC It'll be the best Souls game.
But yea, unless you're some pc baby that started with Dark Souls 1, 3's the only one that isn't disappointing for a first playthrough, feels like a true successor to Demon's Souls.
>>339478694
So you gave someone am unupgraded weapon they could've gotten on their own? How is this an advantage? If an invader is invading at that low a level they're most likely a twink that has cleared more of the game than your level 20 character.
seems like a lot of my fellow invaders are mad because there are *gasp* lots of people playing a game that's only a few weeks old and therefore *gasp* they might actually be using the co-op mechanic that's been around since forever.
Man up invaders, this is how it is at launch every time. If you're not good enough to fight through that, maybe you should put that red eye orb away.
>muh seeds
Learn to kite idiots
>>339462459
Place your red soap down. You are more likely to get a 1v1. I always do. Or end up at a fight club. Or, if you want to be a real dick, invade in a really shit place, like Irithyl Dungeon.
>>339478718
Yes, I do know how it works. It's not hard to figure it out, let alone looking it up.
And when the fuck has poise ever mattered with rolling i-frames?
>>339478963
>not only am I not going to answer your question, but I'm going to answer your question with another question.
Gee you sure showed me. Well played
Learn to read you fucking retard. I gave it to my friend so that he could give it back to me with a different build. That's exactly the point, now I have a weapon I shouldn't have for my soul level. I know invaders do it too. I've been invaded at level 20 by someone who already has the Lorian's greatsword; I'm fairly certain they didn't earn it legit.
>>339479119
LOL, you obviously haven't played dark souls 1. There's no way that SL 1 invader got the red eye orb legit. It got dropped for him! No way people can play through this game without leveling! If I can't do it it's impossible!
Also nice dodge spam on my question
PVE is uninspired really, mechanically consistent but i'm just not a fan of combo heavy bosses in the souls series.
All the story, lore and npc's are too heavy on fanservice rehashing, it just makes me want to play DaS1.
PVE is a mixed back, the balance in duelling is good and it'll improve over time.
But Invasions kind of sucks, i like how easy it is to invade but being 1v5 with estus chugging being so easy makes it really not fun.
DaS1 invasions were more fun when you could get them.
>all this people complaining about pvp
git gud, its the best thats ever been
>>339479031
As if I could give two shits about your question. Google it or play the game, faggot.
>>339466801
You can summon very high lvl friend with password and then get invaded which is retarded.
He will have little blue sign near his nickname
Who here has played DS3 and then went back and played DS1? Im not talking about remembering playing DS1 years ago but actually played them back to back? DS1 is almost fucking unplayable compared too DS3.
>that slow as molasses speed
>that horrible four way rolling
>awkward animations
>broken as hell poise system that allows you to tank anything
>barely any combos or fluidity to speak of
>that noticebly unfinished second HALF of the game
You delusional fucks need to take your rose tinted glasses off and go back and play DS1 after playing DS3. It's almost painful. DS3 gameplay is leaps and bounds beyond DS1.
>>339479334
I'm gonna stop you there since you're just gonna make yourself feel correct by personally insulting me. Poise literally does nothing. YOU can google search that for all the evidence. GG no re
dark souls 3 in my opinion is the best single player experience of the series, which is the only thing that matters really
>>339479265
>I don't like combo heavy bosses, so it's uninspired.
>The plot has the world converging, and even though there's tons of new lore and locations, seeing things I've seen before is triggering me! Rehash! Rehash!
>I invaded into a GANKSQUAD!? Might as well uninstall, since all I know how to do is run in and fight as soon as I see anyone!
>Dark souls 1 took longer to invade, which is MORE FUN
Kill yourself.
>>339479473
Stop me? We're on an image board. What the fuck?
I insult you because you suck.
>GG no re
I can't "stop you", but I can certainly laugh at every new post.
>>339479462
Just finished it, was great.
Better then DS3.
>>339479856
>stop me?
You've never heard of figurative have you?
>insult you because you suck
Just like your opinion man
>can't stop you
It's funny how you're laughing at my post when you took it so literally. Now ironically, I'm laughing at you for
>>339468002
Movement in DaS2 was absolutely atrocious, though.
>>339479462
This
I seriously can't think of a single thing that DS1 did better, and I played DS1 for over 600 hours. There was nothing I didn't do, so when DS3 turned out to be so good it was more than I could have hoped for. Not only did they do better on a ton of things, but they got rid of almost all the bullshit that you had to deal with in both PvE and PvP.
>>339479767
Anon don't kid yourself.
DaS3 was entirely fanservice and a homage to DaS1/DeS.
Its own plot is unoriginal, and doesn't actually develop at all.
If you can't see that it is 100% fanservice without a shred of originality you need to stop being a fanboy.
Even Aldrich was just an improved Gwyndolin.
Yhorm could have been a great fight, but it was a gimmick fight.
>>339466707
In DkS2 i had a streak where i beat 5+ bosses on the first try. Sorry I don't remember them much.
DkS3 is superior to DkS2 in every way except in the pvp department which is fucked by the lack of poise
>>339457449
>pve isnt any better.
Wait, someone actually liked DkS2's floaty combat feel? DkS3 is way faster and feels better than the second one
>>339480104
Funny because you didn't stop me figuratively either.
Hard not to consider you sucking a fact by now.
Learn how to structure sentences before trying to look clever.
>>339479462
Poise is great for one reason only.
its fun as fuck to tank shit and spank it.
Of course if your interested in a purely balanced pvp then the souls genre isn't the game for you.
>Barely any combos
Wtf are you talking about? R1+R1+R1 isn't a combo? its been in every fucking souls game.
>>339480291
Fanservise? The hell is wrong with fanservice and homage when there's also plenty of new content as well?
In case you didn't know, the dark souls universe was never huge, so to suddenly change all aspects and history would be downright dumb. It brought in all neighboring regions, so it literally gave everything it could, not to mention DLC later.
100% fanservice. Literally the EXACT same game. You can't be this delusional.
Aldrich WASN'T Gwyndolin. It was different plot and different land with different motives.
You know how many signs there are in front of his door? Tons. People like it. I loved seeing the stormruler again. Everyone I know loved doing it again. It's one boss, dude.
It's obviously you're just trying extremely hard to dislike everything you see in it, when "fanservice and homage" is a great choice. Seeing the older armors and weapons in high quality is amazing if you're not so cynical.
>>339480529
>didn't stop me figuratively
As in a figure of speech. I guess I have to spell it out for you. I'm going to stop you there= I'm going to end this conversation now
>hard not to consider you sucking a fact
Um what?
>learn how to structure sentences before trying to look clever
The irony of that statement. Oh shit, is irony another word you don't know? Like figurative? Or poise?
>>339480982
You didn't stop me in a figure of speech. You didn't stop me literally. You didn't do shit but suck at a game, not understand simple mechanics and whime about it on the internet.
You can't read either?
Oh shit, it wasn't ironic because my previous sentence was fine. You didn't "stop me there" figuratively, and you still can't seem to google poise.
LOL GG NO RE LOL
>>339481290
>not understand simple mechanics and whime
Not only are you claiming poise is a cut and dry simple mechanic with no faults but you're also criticizing me for sentence structure and spelling when yours is atrocious.
You then proceed to shitpost with poor sentence structure. I believe I mentioned a word known as irony earlier.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony
There you go.
>>339478315
>taking a big shit on their progress
Nigga there are bonfires literally everywhere, you're not shitting on anyone's progress by killing them
>>339480931
There's nothing new in the story, all the npc's were boring as fuck except maybe Sirris just for the reason she actually has new armor.
There's way too many fucking bonfires, it felt like DS2 where it was like 2 hallways then bonfire again.
Estus chugging is too easy in invasions.
No new reveal of the plot, felt like i was going through the motions by the time i got to Irythil.
At least BB gave you the lovecraft reveal, and DS told you that your mission is to end the Old Gods halfway through.
>>339481614
It is simple.
I didn't say it doesnt have faults.
You must have been waiting so eagerly for me to misspell one word. You found it! Good job!
The fact that you'd go through the trouble of linking the word irony is the saddest part of all of this.
There I go? I'm not leaving, nor am I clicking the link. I guess you can literally and figuratively kiss my ass.
>>339481781
>Nothing other than things in the previous games exist
>All the things that are new (but don't exist) are boring
>Every event that happened didn't happen
>Every new enemy, weapon, person, boss, location, aspect, or whatever else in the game is "nothing new"
What in the fuck is wrong with you?
>>339482054
Lol, you never cease to amaze me. There you go, meaning, have a look. Not "leave the board". I merely pointed out how it was ironic that you'd criticize me for that but make the same mistakes yourself. It's a message board not an essay. Who gives a fuck about sentence structure and spelling? You resorted to that because you had nothing meaningful to add to the conversation. Since you've also gone to great lengths to insult me, you probably should leave this message board. You sound a little upset. Calm down and little and don't take things you read on the internet literally.
>>339482257
The game is full of fanservice, hell i would argue that is the core of the game itself.
It's basically Miyazaki's 'best hits' of DeS and DaS.
The problem is a sequel isn't supposed to be like that, but to continue the franchise.
'New content' doesn't stop the criticism that a disproportionate amount of it is literal callbacks to DaS1/DeS
>>339482373
Guess what? I didn't have a look, and I didn't leave. Please put 1 and 1 together.
You cared about spelling in your previous post.
You just wrote an essay of a response. Oh wait, this is where you'd post the definition of ironic, right?
I don't have anything meaningful to add because I'm not spelling out how poise works for some manchild who'd rather search for the definition of irony to look superior than look up the root of the conversation (which is poise. I can't be any more redundant without feeling like a broken record player. I mean figuratively, right?).
It's really easy to insult you. No great lengths required. You're making it easy and I'm being pretty blunt about it.
I really hope you stop trying to use the words literally and figuratively soon.
>>339482430
The core of the game is the bonfire, dumbass. It's in all the souls games. If you call a root element in a franchise "fanservice" in every game other than the first, the problem is you, not the game.
Yes, it is "best hits", with a fuckton more in it. Or wait, you were too busy being caught up staring at the sunlight armor to otice literally every new element in the game, right?
It not only continued it, but it fucking finalized it. The ashen one is the last resort. Oh wait, ashen one? That's not from the previous games! Must be boring. If it were I'd call it fanservice! Am I doing it right?
Callbacks are absolutely fine in a 3rd game of a series, and to even include some from demons souls is fine as well. You're way too caught up in what was, where there is so much more to enjoy.
>>339482809
If you'd recall, you started the english grading war by accusing me of poor sentence structure, then proceeded to do the same whilst misspelling. Probably bait, but I'll call out the pot calling the kettle black anytime I see it. (That's figuratively btw).
I wrote a paragraph of a response. An essay is 5-7 paragraphs. So not quite right there either sweetly. And yes I would post the definition of ironic here, but you said you wouldn't read it, which means you have no desire to solve your own ignorance.
Again, as I said earlier, poise is broken. No one knows what it does. Every claimed explanation has been proven false through testing even though I asked you to post what it is. You then start an ad hominem assault and keep playing right into my hands. I ain't trying to be a dick here, but goddamn you make it too easy.
Also this post plus my last one might make up an essay. So you might just be a broken clock than a broken record player (and yes that's also figurative).
>>339474879
where do you get it? do you have to farm in profane capital?
because i've killed at least a dozen of those flying bastards
>>339483208
Ashen one doesn't finalize anything.
If Ashen One links the fire, its business as always.
If he ends the fire, it repeats anyway per Firekeeper literally telling you this.
The role of an Ashen One is unnecessary, because Undead cursed with the Dark Sign try doing the same shit anyway.
As Proven by the first game.
>>339483270
Holy shit dude, fucking shut up. Why are there always 2 autists in every thread trying to one up each other? This thread will 404 eventually and you'll both have gained absolutely nothing. Either kill yourselves or re-evaluate your life choices.
>>339483208
>Oh wait, ashen one? That's not from the previous games!
Please tell the audience the difference between the ashen one and the undead protagonists of the last two games.
>>339483401
I'm just having fun arguing with strangers on the Internet. Wait you don't think we're serious here do you? Does everyone take anonymous image boards seriously?
>>339483208
No one said the bonfire is 'fanservice' why are you making shit up that doesn't make sense.
>>339483270
You did have poor sentence structure. I misspelled a word.
Posting a link to irony can be clever if they don't click it. I see what you did there. Doomed if I do, doomed if I don't. Either way you lose because I still don't give two shits.
I know what it does. My friends know what it does. People on this board know what it does. I've played long enough to easily see the difference.
Ad hominem? Who cares? You're a whiny little bitch, argument or no argument.
>>339483524
>merely pretending
Of course you were.
>>339483572
No fun allowed says you. We all have to be serious, 100% of the time
man das1 babies are one of the most insufferable cunt i'ever seen in communities.
>das2 make a completely new direction they got bashed for neglecting previous souls lore
>das3 reattempt a direct sequel nod toward das1 got bashed for being fanservice pointless shit(conveniently forgetting how much they ripped from des despite being new IP) and nothing can compare to the holy grail that is das1 and anything less is just uninspired shit.
fuck off with that nostalgia shit fuck this souls community.
>>339483436
Read the fuckin intro.
>>339483540
And so did you.
You know what it does, everyone else does too. Except the Internet at large. So either everyone is crazy but you, or you have no idea what it does like everyone else. Poise on DS3 is absolutely useless. Also, settle down there, no need to keep playing the angry poster. Threads almost over.
>>339472995
Quelaag wasn't evil fuk u
>>339483396
He does on multiple endings. But who cares as long as there's one endingthat keeps the fire going the usual way right?
The game can conditionally not finalize if you choose, but certainly can with the others. What kind of finalization are you looking for? The souls universe imploding?
>>339483740
If the intro is easy enough to reference it should be very easy for you to make a case without deflecting.
But you can't and won't because we all knows it's the same shit with a glowy red skin.
>>339483572
Also you can't say that mine and the angry insulting guys arguments didn't spawn other angry arguments. If you don't think that's funny, I question your sense of humor.
>>339483880
No he doesn't you retard. The age of dark is inevitable and the age of fire will come beyond that. This is established by the firekeeper you don't have a leg to stand on.
>>339483529
>The game is full of fanservice, hell i would argue that is the core of the game itself.
The core of the game is the bonfire. So Core of the game = bonfire = fanservice
Dumbass.
>>339484034
The core of the game is the disc. Retard
>>339484056
The core of the game is clearly Miyazaki's cult of personality faggot.
>>339484125
Haha, now you're getting it. I would've accepted the files on the disc=core as well.
>>339483913
im not the sme fucking person you mongoloid they clearly state that ashen one are the failure product of kindling. basically a trash below chosen undead because he cant even burnt himself right heavily supported by the first ending sequence. Thats why he need to gather the soul of previous LOC because he cant do it alone.
>>339483880
An Age without Fire doesn't end any cycle, the Firekeeper already confirmed that the souls of past lords will converge again anyway.
Maybe you need to play the game if you want to talk about it.
>>339483540
Angry guy, you still there? See this through to the end. Literally this time.
>trying to make an early game cosplay build in das3mirrah builds are easy to do really early at least
>>339483989
The universe cycles, yes, but this was the climactic finale of the age of fire. Even so, it STILL gave the option to the player to end it, bringing the age of dark.
But yeah, because EVENTUALLY the fire will be lit you're stuck in this depressing "the ride never ends so it's all bullshit anyway" mentality. It's a souls game, and the options are age of dark and age of fire and this game showed what happens when the age of fire is pushed to its limits (which, if you weren't a depressing faggot, would be considered a cool idea to explore)
>>339484231
I'm talking about gameplay you're talking about the lore From pulled out of nowhere.
There is not a single gameplay difference between the two just lore fluff. Even then the lore fluff only gets mentioned during the intro and the betrayal ending. Every other time npcs don't treat you any less for being unkindled.
>>339484327
>mirrah build
Everyone will just think you're a Lucatiel cosplayer.
>>339484234
If you don't like the plot then say so, don't consider it fanservice or rehash. It's not about the inevitability of an eventual recycling, it explores what happens when the age of fire reaches it's final stages, which isn't a bad thing. It was actually really fascinating. Looking at the mountain of buildings clashed together was badass in my opinion. But if you don't care for it oh well.
>>339484335
>>339484529
These are some of the most autistic and apologetic posts in defense of Dark souls 3 i've seen.
>>339484327
I'm doing Raziel atm, it's pretty easy, just a hollowed blue guy with rags.
>>339484575
>maybe if I claim I was pretending...
>>339483819
The internet at large told me how it worked before I even played the game. Now I'm over 150 hours into it.
Keep begging me to stop. I can add pussy to the ad hominems.
>>339484335
>>339484529
Yeh we explored what happens when the Age of 'Fire' nears its end.
It was called Dark Souls 1.
You know how you get an explosion of Ashen One's in Dark Souls 3.
You know how you get an explosion of the Undead in Dark Souls 1?
>>339484641
No way people would argue on the Internet if they werent serious. Antagonist entertainment is just a meme.
Pls stop ruining my fun. Call me a faggot or something like the other guy
>>339484335
>>339484529
It was considered the final stage back in Dark Souls 1. Miyazaki kicked the can down the road for DS3 I don't see how you can have any faith he won't just do it again.
>>339484416
>Lore FROM pulled out of nowhere
>the creator studio cannot expand their own universe because the entittled fanbase said so.
how fuckin dumb are you almost the majority of NPC are unkindled themselved. Eygon and hawkwood even rightly mocked you in the begging of your encounter. holy fuckin shit.
>>339484684
>ad hominems
Rofl, this is b8 right. You're baiting me like a bunch of fishes
>>339484757
>getting this defensive
You just keep digging anon.
>>339484602
>The game is all fanservice!
>Fine it's not but it's just bullshit cycling, the fire is lit no matter what!
>You're autistic!
Keep crying.
>>339457449
Miyazaki is great at designing games, just complete shit when it comes to balancing. Get "B-team" to do the balancing, they are 10x better.
>>339484843
How? I don't even have a shovel! How can I dig on an Internet message board?! You're retarded pussy faggot.
>>339484748
Merging of the lands in dark souls 1?
The ashen one was the last resort, which was said in the in the fucking intro. How can you not remember this?
>>339484779
If the chosen undead failed, then others would light it. One of the lords presumably. Someone always did, which was why when there was no one else to do so, the old ones who linked the fire were revived and the ashen one came up. How can you miss that? It's in the intro.
>>339484830
Read the full conversation before posting, friend :)
>>339484843
I think you meant to reply to this>>339484684
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>>339485138
There is no last resort, Firekeeper already told you that even if the fire goes out, it'll restart again.
There is no difference between the Undead plague and Ashen One, the Undead curse already fulfils the same function.
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