What are things TF2 does better than Overwatch?
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What are things TF2 does better than Overwatch?
Have women.
>>339342321
Be actually fun and competitive.
Plus game modes beyond shooting/stabbing/burning/blowing up each other like surfing or parkour mods.
character design, overall style
It has a spy class
>>339342321
Rocket Jump
Pace of a game
Customization
Not depend on waifus to keep afloat (though there could be an argument made regarding Ms.Pauling)
>>339342321
Gameplay.
have an actual theme to characters and maps instead of just random ethnicities and locations with sci-fi body parts
Character personality, movement, higher individual skill ceiling.
Not being a generic garbage.
Unique style.
Not made my blizzard.
And I hate TF2.
Seriously, how do people fall for this shit again and again. If you see the name blizzard on it just fucking avoid.
>>339342321
doesnt rely on waifu-bait and niggers
actually having a low skill floor and high skill ceiling at the same time
>>339342484
>Not depend on waifus to keep afloat
The only thing keeping TF2 afloat are jews who genuinely believe their pixels will allow them to retire once they sell them all.
>>339342321
TF2 is more balanced and each character has more personality.
Overwatch characters are 1 caricatures while TF2 characters are 2 dimensional cartoons.
Server - Client Performance
>>339342606
>niggers
TF2 < Overwatch<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Xbox 360 TF2
having 5 capture point maps.seriously if overwatch added a game mode like that id enjoy it more instead of the 5 minute games we get
>>339342612
Technically they can.
Burning TC is pretty expensive.
But then there's a ton of people who genuinely don't care about that stuff, as well as a ton of people who just like customization. So you might say those are the ones keeping it afloat.As well as people who like to have fun.
Community servers
Custom maps
Game modes
>>339342321
More character interactions.
There's just too many memorable voice lines between classes dominating other classes in my head for me to forget TF2.
>>339342698
I don't understand. This black character feels genuine. It looks like a character that happens to be a black guy.
Meanwhile all Overwatch characters "of color" feel forced and shoved. Like they decided to make it black/poo in the loo because muh diversity.
team size
seriously this 5v5 wannabe esports garbage needs to stop
how can I rek people when there's only 5 people max to be rekt at any given time?
>>339342851
It feels genuine because a Black Scotsman is absolutely absurd.
>>339342321
Being weapon centric instead of hotbar centric
Having more gameplay options per class.
Having more maps
Having more game modes
Having more customization (although Overwatch skins are often more thorough)
Having a coop mode
>>339342321
I never got the idea of playing as "a Reinhardt" or "a Mei." They're presented as unique individuals, with their own personalities and relationships to the other characters. Why would Tracer fight Winston? Or team up with Widowmaker?
In TF2, these kinds of characters work better. I can believe that there's several pyros, several spies, several medics. They're mercenaries, and none of them has a personality where any personal tie would override a cash reward. Even though you have things like Medic and Heavy seeming a bit buddy-buddy in "Meet the Medic," I doubt either would hesitate to kill the other if enough money was on the table.
>>339342851
>Black Scotsman
>genuine
americans
Trading is both fun and cancer
>>339342851
That's because this one isn't too "overly clean" like a lot of black characters are. You know, the ones that are way too cleaned up to make sure they don't offend anyone.
Demo is a scottish drunken cyclops who blows up people for a living and says shit like "IF I WASN'T A MAN I WUSSA KISS YE"
The TF2 team held no bars when making him.
>>339343068
well, he's a Scotsman who happens to be black
TF2 characters are way better written
>>339342379
he said better
>>339342920
its 6 ya retard
>>339342321
more competitive(comparably)
higher skill ceilings
balanced
design is more consistent overall(prior to the latest updates, its all over the place now)
likable characters
TF2 beats out Overwatch in:
>Character personalities
>Classes are much more distinct, Overwatch Silhouettes are pretty confusing, Skins make it worse.
>Team Identification, Team Colors much easier to read than a colored Name
>World Building
>Humor
>Customization
>Server Choices, selection, Mods
>You can actually select the map you want to play
>Game Modes
>Overall Skill Ceilings
Overwatch beats out TF2 In:
>Overall Polish
>Waifus
>Better Matchmaking; No Auto Balance shit
>No Random Crits
>More Likely to be updated
Both games are pretty unbalanced, and both have pretty cancerous shit. But currently I'd say TF2 is the better game
>>339342698
>>339342731
>all blacks are niggers
>>339343068
There's no true Scotsman
>>339342321
Character lines are WAY more detailed. Sometimes you can hear banter in OW at the start of each match but for somebody like the Spy you can hear multiple insults for each and every domination.
>>339343127
It's like adding a Japanese character to a game and they're black because there's a couple black guys in Japan.
>>339342920
This, Overwatch would be way better with 12 players max.
I don't think you can even do that with custom games, Blizz is shit yet again.
>>339343136
same shit
>>339342427
You have to have autism to actually want to play those mods.
>>339342427
>like surfing or parkour mods
TF2cucks, everyone
>>339343161
Anon, Winston was just born like this
>>339343195
Nationality does not equal ethnicity.
>>339342731
>he doesn't place the stickies in the cones
>>339342484
>Rocket Jump
Phara has a jump and Junkrat can jump
>Pace of a game
Fucking what
That depends on how good the teams are
>Customization
Nobody likes your dress-up game, cunt
>>339342957
Odd, but not "absolutely absurd."
>>339343152
Absolutely this
Overwatch heroes are very Quantity over Quality.
Whats the point of D.va when theres Winston
Whats the point of Hanzo when theres Widowmaker
Whats the point Zenyatta when theres Lucio
I think there are a lot of cases of Heroes being flat out better than another.
>>339343314
funny because overwatch is shaping up to be more of a dress-up game than TF2
>>339343034
>Having more gameplay options per class.
What is the difference between a sniper with a gun and a bow, and a two snipers with either a gun or bow?
>Having more maps
>Having more game modes
>Having a coop mode
All these took years for TF2 to get
>>339343161
oh wait, the "blacks" are the niggers you like, right? Fuck off, retard.
>>339342321
Exist ten years earlier
>>339343442
Nah, niggers are just uncivilized blacks famalam
>>339343314
>Phara has a jump and Junkrat can jump
Not as satisfying as consecutive rocket jumps
>How good the teams are
Even with a shit team, TF2 always feels fast paced. Even with the F2P gibus engi slapping the wall.
>Nobody likes your dress-up game,cunt
There's skins in Overwatch.
Getting angry won't do much for you, calm down.
>>339342321
Tf2 x overwatch crossover when?
>>339343314
>Nobody likes your dress-up game, cunt
Pretty sure he's talking about the fuck load of alt weapons TF2 has. Which Overwatch has literally none.
>>339343314
>what are findable/unlockable weapons
>>339343524
Never
>>339342760
>>339342842
>>339342920
All this.
I do like Overwatch. But if it wants longevity, it's going to need to introduce more game modes, not just more maps for the same 3 modes we have now. And one of the best ways to do that is allowing community servers to do what they want.
Plus a lot of characters would really benefit from 5-point maps. Gives you a lot more options in play and naturally allows for much larger maps.
>>339343152
well damn son, saves me the trouble of typing all that.
>>339343283
Shhhh...
Hes done too much thinking today already
>>339343504
>Rocket and Sticky Jump shit
Is it me or is there like so much fucking air resistance in OW, horizontal movement is really a chore for Pharah
>>339343438
>What is the difference between a sniper with a gun and a bow
Pretty big difference, honestly. Or are you just equating all servers as full of snipers because all you play on are Valve pubs? Either way, you're cherry picking pretty hard.
>All these took years for TF2 to get
So what? Who said the games have to compete on fair terms? OP asked a question. This is how the games are, right now, at this moment.
>>339343314
>pressing shift and hovering in the air
>any way comparable to hours spent mastering trajectory of rocket jumps with syncs, pogos air strafes and ammo management.
>>339343152
It's only a matter of time
>>339342321
>much more skill-based
>more reliance on aim and positioning than knowing when to activate an ability
>much more freedom of movement,
>no autoaiming weapons or abilities besides sentry
>8 white males and 1 scot have more personality than an ensemble of 21 waifus, robots, a cowboy, gorilla, and edgelord.
>doesn't take itself seriously
>no cringeworthy dialogue. (some are ok but dva, tracer, and reaper are godawfully cheesy. seriously someone at blizzard should be fired)
I'm honestly happy a company finally managed to successfully rip off tf2. now valve might finally get off their asses and fix this game.
>>339343659
You have much less air control in OW than TF2 even with regular jumps
>>339343438
because with Sniper you have options. He has plenty of weapons that offer different playstyles, same with any class.
In Overwatch you have to pick an entirely different character just to switch to that bow and you only have the bow
>>339342321
Everything except
Melee
Crits (which need to fuck off)
Paywall filter
Support being fun to play
>>339343619
I understand being dissatisfied with the launch content, but I honestly think that Overwatch is a good investment for 40 bucks, assuming that Blizzard do release content as often as they say they will.
Which I think they will. Overwatch has probably sold gangbusters, and even the relatively niche Heroes of the Storm gets loads of updates.
>>339343679
Pharah has a jump outside of her flight.
tf2 has the record of being the fastest uninstalled steam game for me
Memes and comics
>check trade servers
>about 3 half full ones
Why do people pretend like trade servers are such a big deal?
>>339342321
Character design.
Every toon in the blizzard game is literally every fanfic cliche.
>>339343895
because they exist and there's just no fucking way to ignore that fact, so you must complain about it
TF2 has way better voice acting than Overwatch.
Just compare them
http://youtu.be/d2qrn1O6RDg
http://youtu.be/kuDPFnD4yO8
>>339343834
Jump is fucking worthless for most characters, you just don't have any control in comparison to TF2
I had fun with Overwatch, but the characters feel so dead. The mercenaries in TF2 are always interacting with each other and each one has around thirty or forty minutes of dialogue - they're booming with personalities. I feel that Overwatch heavily relies on their shorts to build personality for their characters, which isn't bad but nor good as well since what matters more is what's happening in-game.
>>339343895
Because it strengthens their argument against it in an easy way.
>>339343827
>investment
>>339343152
the male/robot characters have great silhouettes but all the females look the same
>TF2
Mobility
Map Design
Having a fucking 5 cap mode
Balance
Overall the maps are well thought out with lots of options for manuvering to attack. 5 Cap is a mode desperately need in OW and would add longer more interesting games.
>OW
Waifus
Cast (On a mechanical level)
Smaller team size
I think the cast of OW, mechanically, are overall great. Some clearly need nerfs, some buffs, but they did I pretty good job making most of the cast serve a purpose. OW does counter classes a bit better than TF2. This mixed with the smaller teams makes the game feel much more like a team effort and grouping with 5 other friends on mic is amazing.
>>339343418
D.Va has a high Armor pool which helps reduce incoming damage and armor heals 50% faster, her defense matrix absorbs literally everything in the game including ultimates as well
Hanzo excells in aggressive pushing and peeking while keeping his high DPS where as Widowmaker does her best DPS at a distance.
Zenyatta is great at focused support and healing roaming tanks that have armor (like D.va) because his heal is unfocused, his healing and debuff orbs are also animation cancelled meaning that he never has to interrupt any animation to use them. His ultimate also outheals pretty much everything in the game
The reason why D.va isn't that good is because her headshot hitbox is just too big, making the damage mitigation from armor pretty much useless.
The problem with Hanzo is that he is squishy and doesn't contribute information to the rest of the team like Widowmaker does.
The problem with Zen is that he is so fucking slow, and that the benefit of Lucio to boost flankers puts him at increased risk.
D.va, Hanzo, and Zen are all amazing characters, but have flaws that don't fit into the meta as well, making them more situational, but they are all great heroes, D.va just needs hitbox tweaking, Zen needs a speed boost or a shield boost, but Hanzo is more or less fine as is
>>339343610
TF2 x Overwatch PORN crossover when?
>>339343910
>every toon in the blizzard game
>every toon
>toon
>>339343314
>Phara has a jump
>She doesn't just rocket jump across the map
>Junkrat can jump
Junkrat is literally Demoman pre-nerf
Overwatch's animations will never top the "Meet The" series and Expiration Date
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36lSzUMBJnc
>>339343827
But do we have any news of WHAT the content will be?
New heroes will mix things up for a week or two of play, sure. New maps will be fun to roll into as well. But if they just add more Assault Maps, more KotH maps, etc, then it gets old in a single year's time.
TFC/TF2's longevity has been a bit of a different story because they were the only real arena shooters out there that weren't Quake clones.
>>339342851
>Black Scotsman
>Absurd
>The absurdity is funny and makes for a fun character
>Whatever the fuck Lucio is
>Black
>But from Brazil
>But has the design of a Jamaican
>But has the accent of an American
>And is also an SJW/hippy
It's like they said "Shit, we don't have enough characters to fill out the quota, so just mash them all together in one character".
Honestly Overwatch's characters are all fucking awful. The writing for their dialogue is especially bad. It's so plain and predictable and hamfisted. TF2 has so many memorable lines.
>>339343965
Blizzard can never hope to make a character to top the Heavy
Hell, nobody else can either.
Just try to name one. I dare you.
>>339344005
I know how silly it sounds
>>339343504
>Not as satisfying as consecutive rocket jumps
The satisfaction of the game should be killing and winning, not basic transport
>TF2 always feels fast paced
Considering most people here bitch about how "short" OW is, thats entirely subjective
>There's skins in Overwatch.
The cosmetic system is a lot more complex then in TF2
Which, as someone who has played TF2 since 2008, is a good thing
>>339343576
>>339343598
The weapons were either useless, radically different (which are esentially other heroes in OW), or broken
>>339343753
>different options
>open Sniper class
>click rifle
>make it bow
>open OW classes
>pick Widowmaker
>or pick Hanzo
Both have their own playstyles so I don't know what you're talking about
>>339343965
TF2 voices are so damn entertaining, I have to admit.
But Overwatch is OK in that department. Look at the bright side, neither of them is fucking Battleborn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYZYs2Nm3q4
Listen to this shit.
>>339344009
Because women need to be slim and sexy.
Seriously, /v/ might hate Zarya for being "SJW pandering" or whatever but at least she's different you know.
The pink hair is still vomit though.
>>339344009
literally who
>>339344087
>Junkrat is literally Demoman pre-nerf
He's Demoman but more brain dead
>>339344009
Junkrat looks like an armadillo
>>339343965
http://youtu.be/eGoidrI3iv0
Do all the characters in Overwatch have at least one voice clip where they spout a meme?
>>339344009
Mercy sticks out a lot
>>339344150
a harpoon gun with legs
>>339344090
New heroes/maps/competitive mode has been confirmed. I have to imagine that with the design philosophy of the game, new maps will mean new game modes. A 5 point capture map will be great imo. I just hope they don't add any CTF bullshit.
>>339344102
I dont know, he's so underutilized in official tf2 sources.
Remember all his wonderful quotes in Expiration date?
Me neither.
>>339342484
Pharah literally has a rocket jump. I'm not even talking about her abilities either.
>>339344150
Octodad
>>339344010
>grouping with 5 other friends on mic is amazing.
So much this.
For some reason people are not so vocal in OW as they are in CS. I wonder if it'll change when/if they implement some kind of a rank.
>>339342484
>>339343679
>>339343504
Just getting this out their, the people who complain that Overwatch is shit because of "muh rocket jumps" are 20x more autistic and unbareable than the people who boycott Smash 4 because of no melee movement
>>339344009
>this picture is so old, hanzo and genji are still fused together
>pretty sure junkrat isn't even there
>>339344132
>The weapons were either useless, radically different (which are esentially other heroes in OW), or broken
So? You change loadout depending on the enemy.
If you need to take out a sentry nest you can use a medigun, or change for kritz if you need to clear out a big point.
That makes characters a lot more complex.
>>339343965
Demoman had the best responses in my opinion, but I still agree that TF2 had better voice acting and dialogues.
>https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/6/6e/Demoman_dominationdemoman01.wav?t=20100625230234
>>339344185
If that's the case I wonder how bad Battleborn is?
>>339344157
>he drops nades when he dies
more fucking hand holding
>>339344214
They probably couldn't get a hold of him. He's the same VA as the demoman and he didn't say anything either
>>339344093
He looks brazilian enough for me
>>339344235
Do you even know what a rocket jump is?
>>339344150
I believe that was Mei before Blizzard redesigned her with the fat eskimo gear in mind.
>>339342740
I remember 360 Orange Box. Every game revolved around engineers but it was good stuff.
>>339344132
>implying radically different weapons are bad
>>339344010
TF2's maps were kind of garbage at launch though, most of the maps they came out with later and the tweaks they did to existing maps are what made them as good as they are now.
Other than that I agree, I think one of the problems that people don't take into comparisons like this how TF2 was at launch, and instead are looking at it now or at least how it was pre F2P or pyro update instead of comparing how it was at launch
>>339342321
TF2 has much, MUCH more skill vs. reward
When every character lacks a teamwipe ability on a cooldown, it turns out the gameplay is much more challenging and rewarding
>>339344089
TF2's appeal is black humor
Overwatch's animations can't top that
>>339344009
Same guy here;
Skins actually make it worse.
>The Commander Morrison Skin when shillouted resembles Reaper more than S76
>Blackwatch Reyes skin shilloutes more to S76 than Reaper.
I actually struggled with identifying between the two the first few matches I've played.
this is rocket jumping
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVygAYv79ZU
>>339342321
A lot really
Gameplay
Custom maps
Custom servers
Map design
Game modes
(Adjustable) number of players per game
Better characters
Trailers
Handling Fun
OST
LongevityTaunts
>>339344264
>low skill ceiling is fine for a game that is claiming to be competitive
Go fuck yourself
>>339344146
I have literally seen nothing of Battleborn and this video alone is enough for me to completely discard any hope of looking into it further.
Remind me how Gearbox is still in business again?
Well, TF2 has no Poo Loos, so that's a bonus.
>>339344419
They should have a toggle for beginners or for serious tourny players who don't want to be distracted to disable all skins and see defaults at all times. It would be a good learning tool, if nothing else.
>>339342437
god i hate the tf2 style ...the characters look really mongoloid
>>339344352
Do you?
>>339344367
They aren't
But there is no difference between Huntsman/Sniper, and Hanzo/Widowmaker
>>339344278
In TF2, you hardly ever needed to change weapon, as a Medigun/Kritz can fuck up a sentry nest just as easily
But really, if you're team has no Mercy when you guys are getting melted then you have no hope
>>339344457
>Longevity
TF2 is dying mate
>>339342321
More customizability and creator content though Blizz devs said the plan is to have player created content so we'll see if Overwatch has it in a future update.
TF2 has the spy class which there isn't one in Overwatch. At least not yet.
>>339344542
Not dying, dead. It's all furshit and safespace SJW servers now.
>>339344542
Well it only took 8-9 fucking years to die son
>>339342321
TF2 is fun.
TF2 is free.
TF2 is not a TF2 ripoff.
TF2 is not a Blizzard game.
>>339344519
better than the game with literal mongoloids in it
>>339344146
This is new Dreamworks and Blue Sky Studios levels of bad.
>>339344235
true but it's watered down
>>339344089
>go watch overwatch videos
>expecting something in the lines of Meets
>got a bad pixar/dreamwork ripoff
I just realized my expectation was stupid
>>339344089
I wouldn't say that as much as Valve has a great sense of comedic timing with their animation, it has better direction
However the animation in Overwatch is very well done, they incorporate smears and squash/stretch animation which fits really well with the style, it just doesn't have as good direction to it.
Source film maker was an amazing piece of software, even the original version/pre release version. I wish Valve put as much care for the sake of caring into their work that they used too for things they completely didn't have too.
>>339344465
Yeah, Smash 4 also has a lower skill ceiling than Melee does
Its just nobody gives a fuck, because nobody is as autistic as Meleefags areAlso movement doesn't represent an entire skill ceiling you absolute fuckface
>>339344539
Sniper can equip whatever the hell he wants for a melee/secondary. That's why he's different.
>>339344089
>This video is almost 5 years old
>>339344632
A bit, but you can combine it with her other abilities too. You can easily rocket jump, then use her ability to go up higher, and then hover a bit in the sky.
>>339344617
Found the furfag Valvedrone
>>339342321
Balance
>>339344597
How many times a year is this said. This has been said the last 4 years. Still kickin'
Overwatch is just too fucking sterile, you can just feel the shitty comic-tier Blizzard writing/setting that's plagued their IPs since WoW. TF2 isn't afraid to pull punches which makes it more humorous and natural.
>>339344617
TF2 being free is a bad point.
It fills it up with vermin.
>>339344743
The game is dead. You furries that still play TF2 are the maggots eating away at its rotting carcass.
>>339342321
banter
particularly domination lines
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/1/13/Spy_DominationScout04.wav?t=20100626000435
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/8/8c/Scout_dominationpyr03.wav?t=20100625232659
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/3/36/Spy_DominationSoldier04.wav?t=20100626000448
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/8/87/Soldier_DominationSniper04.wav?t=20100625233022
>>339344089
>Overwatch will never top this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h42d0WHRSck
>>339344185
Christ, she sounds straight British half the time.
>>339344695
You have a point with melee, but lets face it:
do you use anything for Sniper's second other than Jarate?
>>339342321
everything is unlockable without paying money and TF2 is f2p
this makes it sustainable indefinitely, while overwatch will fade away whenever a TF2 clone with better graphics comes out.
I'd expect team fortress 3 to be released within 2 to 3 years. valve is clearly working on stuff for their new engine
>>339344847
I'm not a furry though.
>>339344659
>movement isn't a big part of an FPS
Just stop, map movement is one of the most important parts of an FPS along with aiming skill. Smash 4 doesn't tout itself to be some competitive e-sport title like Overwatch which has a low skill ceiling.
>>339343152
Only thing I'll disagree with you on is:
>More Likely to be updated
If this means CONSISTENT updates I'd say its about the same, but Blizzard could constantly fuck around with the balance of the game because of MUH ESPORTS which can ruin alot of shit.
I know TF2 is planning a big update for this summer. Valve doesn't want to lose any more players to Blizzard, so according to some pros they got something big planned.
Honestly OW is fun but I really hate how much they're pushing MUH EEEEEEESPORTS, MUH PROFESSIONAL OVERWATCH.
Like for fuck's sake the game hasn't even been out a month, quit worrying about fucking esports. Honestly that's what I hate both about OW and HotS, they're overly focused on esports
>>339344846
Why do people act like paywalls keep out shitters?
All the trashy suburban kiddies still get these popular games with their parent's money.
CoD ain't F2P.
>>339344830
blizzard meeded to make a shitload of money off of overwatch sales to offset some of their recent failures so they made it T instead of M.
You can tell the people developing the game desperately wanted an M rating to work with, but they did the best they could with T.
>>339342321
Have different maps than dustbowl and goldrush
>>339344617
Overwatch is not Free
Overwatch is fun
Overwatch isn't a Valve game
Going off the rip off logic, TF2 is a rip off of Quake.
>>339342321
Mods and server browser.
>>339344881
>just rewatched Meet the Heavy
I miss when Heavy acted like a normal human.
>>339344146
Jesus Christ that voice acting.
My little sister could do better.
>>339344847
You're being unfair. There is also jews, bronies, and BRs/slavs/underage kids who can't afford the lofty paywall of 40 whole dollars.
How long would the cast of TF2 last if the entire cast of Overwatch invaded them?
Skill ceiling being higher.
Alternate weapons for classes rather than a new character for 1 new weapon.
>>339344997
>Just stop, map movement is one of the most important parts of an FPS along with aiming skill
Yeah, which is why Phara still has her movement and can still get across the map
>Smash 4 doesn't tout itself to be some competitive e-sport title like Overwatch
Except it does
But the thing is nobody except people in esports cares about esports
>muh skill ceiling
OW has a perfectly fine skill level. You just think the game is tainted because of one movement
>>339345036
I think thats cause its CoD.
I'm actually really grateful CoD exists, I know it gets a lot of shit but it really just takes the blunt of the insufferable little kid demographic out of other games.
>>339344989
>valve
>working on anything
>>339344942
I tend to use the jarate if I'm going full piss rifle, the croc-o-style set if I feel like wearing the whole thing, and I tend to alternate between SMG/jarate when huntsman sniping because I can't take the class seriously.
>>339342321
custom maps
>>339344846
Blizzard games are full of vermin though
>>339345160
You can actually stomp pretty hard with classes like the scout and soldier.
>>339344597
>>339344739
I never understood this meme.
>TF2 IS ALL HAT TRADING NOW
>TF2 IS ALL BRONIES NOW
>TF2 IS ALL CHILDREN NOW
>ITS JUST IDLING AND TRADE SERVERS NOW
Ive played TF2 every couple days for awhile now and literally never ever had this happen. All you do is hit play now and connect to a Valve server. 9/10 times it's just people playing the fucking game like they always have.
Do anons on /v/ want to seem grownup or cool by making shit up about it or something? I genuinely don't fucking get it.
If there had never been a previous Team Fortress and TF2 came out today beside of Overwatch then I'd play TF2 over Overwatch any day.
At this point I have so much time put into TF2 that I've seen god damned everything and the community is now shit anyway. First year TF2 community was pretty great with people playing seriously and less ridiculous maps and other bullshit.
I found the balance between classes in TF2 and always being useful to be a much nicer way of designing a game. The counterpicking structure in Overwatch just means I might have to play a class I don't actually want to play if I want to win and that means I might not be having as much fun. Sure, that could happen in TF2 as well, but not every game and multiple times for a game. Plus having 2 of the same class wasn't as detrimental since it wasn't limited to 6v6.
>>339345160
6 waves.
https://youtu.be/C4cfo0f88Ug
>>339344846
>TF2 being free is a bad point. It fills it up with vermin.
Do you know what CS:GO is? I assure you paywalls do fuck all and if you think otherwise youre genuinely deluding yourself.
>>339345250
>Valve servers
If you actually played the game you would know exactly what the fuck is wrong with Valve servers
Valve servers are notoriously shitty and filled with noobs
>>339345250
autists are still really, really hung up on the balloonicorn thing
>>339345092
>TF2 is a ripoff of Quake
Team Fortress 2 is a ripoff of Team Fortress Classic, which was a ripoff of Team Fortress, which was a ripoff of Quake 3 Fortress, which was a ripoff of Quake.
Uncultured swine.
TF2 has more of a consistent tone, it's not afraid to have characters with rocket launchers and machine guns turning each other into piles of meaty chunks, all while the characters yuk it up and trash-talk each other.
All the classes are deranged in some way or another, even the most intelligent of them are fucking nutjobs who get a kick out of killing each other, and it shows in their dialogue, they have just as much fun as the player does when wrecking people's shit.
Overwatch feels too clean, you can mow down a man as a turret robot and watch him flop bloodlessly to the floor. You can litter an entire group with rockets and they just fall over.
I don't mind it when they're clearly using energy weapons, laser beams, sonic blasts, electricity cannons, all those I can accept as not making people burst into gouts of blood and pieces, but otherwise I have no idea what they're trying to do.
It's so Disney safe, and I hate that I can't come up with a better comparison, the good guys are all obviously goody-goody, and the bad guys are so obviously bad, and then you get things like a woman who was mind-fucked and murdered her husband and walks around shooting people in the face while she's got her tits out.
I don't get it.
>>339345092
>TF2 is a ripoff of Quake
you really believe this? that's hilarious, but I know you're just trying to defend the game you bought
overwatch literally stole game modes from team fortress 2. I definitely felt like I was playing a team fortress 2 clone when I was playing on the egypt map during open beta
>>339343314
>Nobody likes your dress-up game
ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW, THAT'S LITERALLY THE ONLY THING WHY PEOPLE WANT TO BUY THE BOXES WITH REAL MONEY.
>>339345250
This
>open up server browsers
>tags: valve
Hundreds of servers full of people just playing the game its anything but dead
>>339344881
What's the best Meet The video and why is it Meet TheSniper
>>339345247
Scout would be busy flirting
>>339345250
Because those are all technically true.
>>339342537
>>339342608
>>339343145
>>339343152
>>339345171
>skill ceiling
Quit spamming this buzzword.
The only thing the game is missing is a rocket jump.
Other then that characters like Junkrat aren't easy to pick up at all
>>339345160
Not very long unfortunately.
Widowmaker is so broken in Overwatch its ridiculous.
>>339344881
I feel sorry for Soldier
>illiterate
>homeless
>never been in the war despite signing up for every U.S. military branch
>his only friends are cardboard cutouts
>probably has rabies from raccoon bites
>probably lost body parts and organs many times and sewn it back together (possibly experienced death multiple times just like the other mercenaries)
>>339345250
I have over 1k hours in TF2 and have run into all of those things on countless occasions when I still played. Denying that TF2 is dead is like denying WoW is dead. Sure, you can point to the playercount and go "b-b-but look at the numbers!", but fucking everyone agrees that Mannconomy ruined the game and F2P was the death knell.
>>339345420
Cause he's a fun character fromNew Zealand
>>339344093
I don't get how Lucio is a SJW or a hippy? He's just a guy that really likes music and has a JSR vibe
>>339345412
>not Meet the EngineerDont make me bully you
>>339345365
>classic kid's movie trope where it's okay to murder robots
>humans are just knocked unconcsious
>every single Overwatch short
>>339345449
If I open a server and not everyone is a brony or trading then they are not in fact true, anon
>>339344027
>doesn't contribute information to the rest of the team like Widowmaker does.
He has an ability that does exactly that
Too bad most shitters never seem to use it
>>339345495
>1k hours
When did you join?
>>339345483
He gets a crazy russian waifu, so its all good
new comic fucking win
>>339345483
well on the bright side
You don't have to play certain characters to win in TF2.
>>339345479
I got MVP and play of the game by camping as widowmaker the first time I played as her. the aiming is way too easy if you identify a viable chokepoint
>>339345476
It literally has the ability to rocket jump. Shoot the ground as Pharah sometime.
>>339345547
His character is a musician because he thinks it can change the world and shit
>>339345560
I said technically, not literally. Most of what you're shitposting about was a LOT worse years ago.
>>339342321
990 hours
>>339345160
Any Overwatch character will curbstomp in just about any other FPS you put them in. Motherfuckers don't need to reload and every single one of them is built around a hard strength that'll make them a pain to kill.
>>339345420
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NZDwZbyDus
>Widowmaker's parents are probably smelly and french and blue
>>339345495
Ive played TF2 for 3.5k and I can assure you that those things have not overrun the game like people say they do.
>Mannconomy ruined the game!
>F2P ruined the game!
No it didn't. Im sick of hearing this shit. What killed TF2 was lack of support. Valve saw they could make much more money with shit like CSGO and Dota, so TF2 got left behind.
Does that mean it's dead? Not really. Just because a game is not in it's hayday doesn't mean it's dead, it just means its past its prime. That doesnt mean its a bad game in any sense.
>>339345203
And now the parents will see a more cartoony, seemingly kid friendly FPS that works as an alternative to CoD for their stupid kids.
>>339345195
>Yeah, which is why Phara still has her movement and can still get across the map
That refers to map positioning you fuck. There's nothing skillful about Phara's movement, it doesn't take much brainpower to realize you should fly in the air to avoid being shit on in most situations. Map knowledge, movement, and player prediction are all different skills but are regulated by your ability to move. Anyone can press the fucking shift key.
>Except it does
So Smash 4 advertised itself heavily as a competitive e-sport game and not a party game? That's news to me.
>You just think the game is tainted because of one movement
It's not just one movement, you have less control over your movement overall due to your options being regulated to abilities instead of the individual skill in being able to execute such movements.
>>339345808
F2P made the game way easier. That I definitely noticed when it came out.
>>339345356
Team Fortress Classic is a ripoff of Quake Team Fortress, for Quake 1, not 3.
Actually, it was made by the same people.
>>339345746
>Most of what you're shitposting about was a LOT worse years ago.
Wow it's like the fad of MLP and trading died off or something. Imagine that
>>339345476
>stop saying higher skill ceiling even though I literally gave an example of why tf2 has a higher one
Not just rocket jumps. Flare jumps for pyro, sentry jumps for engi, pills/sticky jumping, shield charging off of angled geometry. Much more.
Play any intermediate/hard jump map anon, if you can beat it I'll take back what I said.
>>339345150
I remember how upset people were at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTm95NExs24
>>339342484
>not depend on waifus to keep afloat
No, instead they depend on hats to keep afloat
>>339345632
A few months before Spy v Sniper
>>339345924
So you don't play TF2? Okay.
>>339344028
I'm pretty sure that already exists
tf2 has shit like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1G6_3dTg0Q
>>339345968
overwatch is floating on skins on release
>>339345887
>F2P made the game way easier. That I definitely noticed when it came out.
Wow it's like a gigantic influx of new players who don't have much experience have made the game easier. Color me surprised.
>>339344881
>>339344089
Thanks, now i want to rewatch all the TF2 animations
>>339345968
Which one is better though?
You can't wear a waifu into battle.
>>339345553
>replying to the wrong anon
dumbsexyanime poster
>>339345968
having hats to keep your game alive than hard dicks is arguably better
>>339346031
Shitters don't understand the concept of a skill-gap
>>339345939
balloonicorn was one thing, but 5 minutes of dialog for one hat plus "friendship is stoopid magic" was more than enough to piss people off, especially with how rampant ponyshit was at the time
>>339342321
maps and physics such as rocket/nade jump
Also no Q to win buttons. More skill.
>>339345926
Rocket, Flare, and Sticky jumping all have equivalents. The charge jumps and sentry jumps aren't in there.
>>339343152
>More Likely to be updated
Shit son where have you been ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IMwHcfVIYU
Were getting HUGE fucking update with a HUGE balance and gameplay additions being added soon depending if people come back in droves.
>>339346006
I dont know anon I actually play the game alot and know what Im talking about rather than rely on shitposting on a malaysian cooking forum
>>339346031
It's still stupidly easy now
Even in games that aren't full of "friendlies", I can max the scoreboard in 10 minutes just going through the basic motions
>>339345939
I remember for the longest time they couldn't or wouldn't get most of the voice actors in to do new lines so I don't know if the medic ever got an update while I was playing. So they finally got them together and they do this?
>>339344146
That personality doesn't fit the water archetype.
>>339344523
the "E" ability doesnt count as a rocket jump.
>>339346097
""""""""""""""""""""""arguably""""""""""""""""""""""
People is a baseline for a fun team based FPS game. It's the benchmark that while enjoyable has gotten stale as hell over the near decade we've been playing it.
We all want something to step up and take its place, hence why people are incredibly forgiving about horribly flawed contenders which just don't measure up.
It happened with T:A, it'll happen with Overwatch.
>>339345476
>Junkrat
>not easy
I latched onto him when I started playing because he pours out truckloads of damage with little skill involved. Just a watered down demoman with a beartrap.
>>339346227
Good, cause thats not what I was talking about.
TF2 has a very nice art style.
>>339342321
TF2 destroys it in writing and characters, as far as characters go Overwatch essentially has nice/THICK asses going for it and that's it. Also, more coherent and consistent style/theme.
>>339346151
clicking a button to automatically do a sticky jump with no damage repercussion means it's a lower skill ceiling. Less advanced input is required.
It's not making fun of the game, it's just not as a high of a ceiling.
>>339345160
It's kinda unfair to compare TF2, a series that takes place in the 60's, with Overwatch, a series that takes place in the future. Stock TF2 vs. Stock Overwatch, TF2 would get stomped, because if you use only one of each class, Overwatch has the numbers advantage.
If RED and BLU teamed up, things might get more fair, since the numbers advantage swings in TF2's favor, but I'd still give it to Overwatch. I don't think TF2's Sniper (even two of them) could counter Widowmaker, and once Sniper's out, it's all downhill from there.
Though to be fair, Grey Mann would probably roll Overwatch all by himself. All of them fought in the Omnic Crisis, but from what I understand, the current Overwatch team has been extraordinarily neutered from the original team, so if the average team of six TF2 players struggles to beat some of the easiest Mann vs. Machine maps, Grey Mann should win by sheer numbers without much trouble.
So it depends.
Stock TF2 vs. Stock Overwatch = Stomp for Overwatch
RED/BLU vs. Stock Overwatch = Win for Overwatch
Grey Mann vs. Stock Overwatch = ROFLstomp for Grey
Stock TF2 + Grey vs. Stock Overwatch = No contest win for TF2
20 TICK SERVERS
>>339346090
WOOPS.
>>339345420
>>339346270
He said other than Junkrat, but he's still wrong in saying that any hero is difficult to use in Overwatch
>>339344214
His VA is literally dying
Demoman barely has any new lines and it was done by Nolan North
>>339342731
God that picture is so god damn old, wait, how old is TF2 again?
>>339344089
All the TF2 shorts were good, but this was the best one
>>339346161
>last played saturday
>Wow it's like the fad of MLP and trading died off or something.
Yeah you're retarded.
>>339346321
Thats a moronic statement. Taking damage doesn't make something take more or less skill to pull off.
>>339346201
The only personality Gearbox knows is "Irritating." So of course something tranquil like a water priestess is going to be beyond them.
>>339344214
>>339344334
I'm pretty sure Gary Schwartz isn't able to do the voices anymore.
>>339345785
The coffee going down and piss jars filling is amazing, these videos were great.
>>339346405
Almost 10.
Mark my words
The inevitable Junkrat and Roadhog short will be TF2 tier of enjoyable.
>>339344089
I miss that old demented nazi.
>>339346405
like a decade old almost?
holy fuck i'm old
>>339345926
Okay, so OW is a worse game because it doesn't have things that 90% of the time weren't used?
The game does have a high skill ceiling. Some minor movement features doesn't mean its easier than TF2
>>339346437
means you can't spam it and must think about what you're doing and where you're going. It punishes making mistakes, meaning you need more precise input to do what you want. That means higher ceiling.
Not just that, you can do advanced tech like sticky surfing. Can't do that in overwatch
>>339345373
>overwatch literally stole game modes from team fortress 2.
You do realize how many games "stole" the concept of Deathmatch and CTF right? And we don't criticize them for it.
Also, TF2 didn't invent payload.
>>339346580
dunno Q's and E's make it a whole lot easier
>>339346580
No, I like overwatch and all I said was tf2 had a higher ceiling. Having a higher or lower ceiling doesn't mean a game is bad or good.
>>339346159
I've been in tf2 for a long time, I'm at about 4k hours now. Tf2 is very lacking in the updates department. Just because theres one on the way doesn't mean they happen frequently. Usually we get one good update a year.
2015 was awful; we didn't even get a real Scream Fortress update Just one big rehash
2014 was awful; Never forget how hyped EOTL was just for it to be a pay2play event with BONUS DUCKS, Mannpower is total shit too.
2013 was awful; pic related.
TF2 is unironically one of the best games of all time, so...
a lot
>>339343965
>The burning you fell, it is shame
everytime
>>339346646
didn't payload originate as some custom game mode someone made that they thought was good enough to make an official game mode out of?
>>339346685
After last Scream Fortress, I don't think we're going to get any real ones anymore :(
>>339346591
Again, thats not really relating to skill. Pulling off precise jumps takes literally the same amount of work.
As for sticky surfing, I take it you don't know what the arcade mode is.
>>339346437
Taking damage from a faster movement option is more of a risk/reward aspect which adds depth but not necessarily skill, the skill comes from where to place your explosives and when to jump.
>>339344089
So good. Show off character's background, design, and function while being well animated and funny. Overwatch shorts cannot top it.
+It's free.
+If you have a desire to play dress-up in an online multiplayer FPS it allows you to.
+It has a lot of microtransactions if you just want to give money to Valve.
That's about it.
>>339346685
all they had to do was just make the fucking invasion update the scream fortress, and nobody would have complained
>>339346807
Theres still a risk/reward. The risk being that you won't have the skill when you need it.
>>339344089
>Clearly using quick fix
>Heavy gets medigun uber
>Medic isn't ubered himself
I feel like this whole video was planned around a balance change to the quick fix that they eventually scrapped.
>>339346802
If you can't do it online then it doesn't matter.
>>339342321
Custom Servers
Private Servers
3rd party servers
Mod support
higher than 20tick servers
supports up too 32 players
more game modes
custom made maps
>>339344089
Man I really didn't like what they did with the Meet the Pyro video.
I get that it's in check with TF2's humor, but I felt the big reveal and finale of the Meet the series was wasted on "lmao rainbows and cupcakes xDDD"
>These people saying Overwatch's shorts aren't enjoyable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoR2supdmig
>>339343152
>implying
TF2 is an extremely polished game. Not to mention an artstyle that will still hold up decades from now.
>>339346942
Arcade is online.
>>339346751
This has come up before, but I think people said it was originally in Enemy Territory or something?
I would say TF2 brought it new life and attention though.
>>339346926
I think the lore is that the quick fix broke after the first uber.
>>339346515
No it won't
>Blizzard writing
>game is rated T
>>339346983
I mean real online
>>339343152
This guy's got it all right.
>>339346961
>I thought this was serious at first
Holy shit
>>339347012
Da fuck is that even suppose to mean?
>>339346332
What the fuck is wrong with you
>>339346881
I prefer not to count the Community content they copy and paste out of the workshop as a real update material.
A lot of the maps tend to suck; hats add nothing.
If you need proof of this, I can't think of a better example than pl_hellstone. Which I still consider to be the worst offical map I've ever played.
>>339346685
Whichever Scream Fortress was the one with the green skeletons and spellbooks was amazing. Best Scream Fortress ever.
>>339346974
Tbf it's only polished because it's been out for so long. It's had so many squabbles over balancing and map issues to iron out any egregious flaws.
>>339344089
>that wait for Meet the Pyro
>It's ponyshit
>not only that, but all of the weapons introduced are schwarbage
If Mannconomy hadn't already ruined the game for me, Meet the Pyro destroyed any hope I still had.
>>339345023
i hope with the updates they'll add more than one map per and they dont wait to finish a new character before doing a patch
Overwatch is better at a competitive level, as in alot more people are gonna take Overwatch more seriously. At least it does for now. We will have to wait and see if it slowly dies or becomes the next Hearthstone.
TF2 on the other hand is a game nobody will ever be able to beat.
Two words:
>Mod Support
Unless Overwatch out of nowhere lets you create custom maps, skins, scripts and effects, there is no way it will ever be able to take TF2 off of the map.
TF2 is literally Second Life but with guns and somehow a competitive side. It will stay like that until the end of time.
I played Overwatch for a week. All it's made me do is want a TF3.
>>339346974
>Polished
Look I love tf2, but its a broken glitchy mess.
>Hitreg has been broken for years
>Pyros flamethrower range can extend 2-3x based on bad internet connections
>Quantum Crouching
> A lot of animation Errors
>If Spy diguses as a demoman wearing boots, he'll have no legs
the list goes on.
>>339343314
>Phara has a jump and Junkrat can jump
You mean the jumps that immediately halt any momentum the moment you launch a few feet in the air? Overwatch physics are so ass.
>>339347325
>overwatch
>competitive
>>339342321
I made it through the whole thread and no one mentioned how Overwatch's maps are so simple? Everything comes down to the most basic, tightest chokepoints with maybe one option to fly over and one option to flank.
>>339342321
Everything.
People will get bored of Overmeme soon when it's not interesting to fap to anymore.
>>339347462
>...as in alot more people are gonna take Overwatch more seriously. At least it does for now.
Did you not even read what I put after that?
>>339347008
This.
>>339347325
If Overwatch doesn't allow user made maps, they'd really be shooting themselves in the foot.
Let's just hope Blizzard doesn't do anything stupid like the desire for console focus gimping PC players and their ability to content create.
>>339344093
Lucio is literally a character black writers used to complain about. He rollerblades around and revolves around music. I would have assumed he was an intentional parody and jab if it wasn't made by Blizzard. SJWs and diversefags are fucking idiots and end up looking more racist than actual racists.
>>339346957
Watching Medic get caged up and hearing his "No!" was genius.
>>339347141
>Meet the Pyro is ponyshit.
>The video shows that the pyro is unaware that he is murdering people as he views his victums as babies and is clinically insane
>The unicorn inquestion only pops up in the video for only a few seconds
Had MLP not been a thing you would have been okay with it but nope you keep bringing attention to it. Whats even funnier is the short actually insults the entire MLP fanbase as a whole by calling them insane psychopaths.
>>339342321
literally nothing, but Overwatch would not exist as it is now if it wasn't for the Team Fortress series.
>>339347689
some people are a bit iffy with creating custom stuff for blizzard games due to how blizzard has anything custom is in theirs complety but that may have changed that or im not thinking of that correctly
>>339346957
It was probably to indicate the Pyro was the most mentally unstable out of all the nine mercenaries, but I can see your point.
>>339342321
Hats
>>339347814
Yeah, katana and trenchcoat wearing nerds hate being considered psychopathic murderers
>>339342321
Balance, map design (mostly), greater variety in playstyle across a fewer number of characters, no piss-colored visual filters, less distractingly flashy HUD, customization, and probably others I can't think of.
I have a personal gripe with the stupid abilities in Overwatch, ults especially, but I can't really call it a negative since TF2 doesn't have abilities at all. Not that its a bad thing. Furthermore, for better of worse, TF2 has somewhat of an "economy" with it's stupid cosmetics, whereas Overwatch is literally PAY ME NOW TO NOT WAIT 1500 HOURS FOR EVERY SKIN/PALETTE SWAP. Then there's the fact that Overwatch simply does not function as a competitive game since character balance is independent of the player count and map design for whatever reason, ie. McRee will always be useful whereas some others are conditionally useful (DON'T USE [character] ON THIS MAP HE SUCKS HERE). TF2, every class is useful in every match, the possible exception being the Heavy but then I'm just ass with the Heavy so thats probably bias.
>>339342321
Hm I dunno. Gameplay, art direction, characters, music (holy fucking lol OW's theme is bland), animated shorts (can't believe you retards got hyped over fucking "Alive").
I think I'm forgetting some.
>>339347814
>>339347141
even to this day i still dont understand how meet the pyro is pony related it just seemed like a bunch of cutesy shit
>>339342469
Honest question, what's Overwatch's take on spy? Anything remote?
>>339346957
My problem with it is that all the classes who can easily kill pyro are afraid of him.
Heavy vs pyro is like a 100:0 fight.
>>339348046
Balloonicorn isn't even a pony.
He's a unicorn.
I find that the one crucial thing that is very different when it comes to overwatch v tf2 is public games. Overwatch has a nasty habit of pre-mades, you will constantly fight pre-mades who have a distinct advantage over teams that are solo queing. This can cause a lot of drama as well as a lot of shit talking tends to happen when pre-mades are stomping teams.
Also in most games of overwatch you constantly have to focus and play to the best of your ability to keep up; or get stomped.
Tf2 on the otherhand there usually arn't many pre-mades in pubs and they are genuinely quite fun to play as they do not force you to constantly be stressed out at your limit at all times.
Personally when I think of the two I find playing tf2 public games as afunrandom experience, vs overwatch games being always challenging and always versing pre-mades; It's not really relaxing to play overwatch.
>>339348057
There's nothing in this that makes you invisible.
>>339345420
It's obviously Meet ThePyro
>>339347880
It would be nice if they paid users to make maps official, but I don't think I'd be mad if something I made was elevated to that status without a paycheck.
I'm not sure if I should buy overwatch or not, GOD! The only reason I'm even considering buying it is Widowmakers juicy ass.
>>339344090
I don't like you calling payload maps assault maps.
Assault game modes have always been way WAY more interesting than this lazy garbage
>>339348057
Nothing, it would make the game an even bigger clusterfuck
>>339348057
the closest is probably reaper but spy's really the only class they didn't touch
>>339348175
We have r34 and (somewhat ironically given thread topic) SFM for that friend
>>339344150
This was Mei back when she was originally being designed as an ice climber. Hence the Ice Pick, Climbing Shoes, and Grappling hook.
>>339345659
>team is getting rolled hard on a valve server
>first is captured
>opposing team left their last point undefended
It almost never fails, no matter the class. All it takes is one body to make it behind the steamrollers.
>mfw capture as sniper
>>339348175
Then don't buy it and just watch the SFM porn on the web, faggot.
>>339347873
> literally nothing
Wrong.
TF2 made more money for valve than overwatch ever could.
hat scam > $40 buy to play
>>339348175
If all you want is ass, track down Source Filmmaker artists and call it at that. If you want to play a game, spend $40 on the PC version. That's not a lot of money for a game that is as popular as it is right now. It's safe to say it's going to have a decent lifespan.
>>339348057
the role is there but thats about it theres no disguising
>>339348213
>A disguise kit with 21 chocies
Yeah there's a reason why it got scrapped.
Also in a team of 6 is going to be pretty obvious.
Overwatch has no Spy class
>>339344659
>Its just nobody gives a fuck, because nobody is as autistic as Meleefags are
Are you serious? Melee is beating Smash 4 in tournament numbers at a lot of events. I don't think Smash 4 is bad at all, it's tech is just overall different than Melee. Sm4sh shouldn't be compared to Overwatch since Overwatch has no depth to keep people playing after the shiny medals and loot boxes wear off. If anything Overwatch should be compared to Brawl and I still believe Brawl is still leaps and bounds more skill based than Overwatch.
This is coming from a guy who doesn't really care for Smash and has had to room with some tourney autists in college.
>>339342321
TF2 has more content
TF2 has more variety in playstyle (thanks to weapons)
TF2 has dedicated servers
TF2 is open to mod support
TF2 has better voice acting
TF2 has a better written characters
TF2 has better maps (IMO)
TF2 has better and more game modes
TF2 has better customization (but they kinda went overboard with it)
TF2 has a better price
What are some other games where I can play as mercenaries/a mercenary, /v/? I know it's only a background detail in TF2 but it's enough for me.
>>339348031
Lucio has some nice tracks
I hate how every map is
>choke point
>side road to flank choke point
It's frustrating as fuck and you always die because you got either outspammed or by someone you couldnt see
Then next round you think of the cheapest ways to outspam the enemy even harder
>>339348554
MERCENARIES/MERCENARIES 2
>>339343152
>Character personalities
>World Building
It's better but it took them years to get it where it is now. Looking at them from the same amount of time from launch, Overwatch is way more fleshed out.
>>339348554
the fuck is going on in your webm
>>339348554
MGSV
You basically lead a band of mercenaries doing dirty work for various governments while chasing some saturday morning cartoon villain.
TF2 is a playground. Big teams, crazy classes, room to run around on your own, and lots of different items and ways to interact with other players. It's a game for people that want to have fun in the way they want to have it while playing characters that feel like they can do just about anything.
Overwatch is a linear game. Narrow levels, small teams, short map durations, minimal differences on how to attack, and little to no customization. It's a game for people who want a focused, competitive gaming experience.
>>339348642
>Overwatch is way more fleshed out.
>The agents of Overwatch and Talon gather together to fight each other because ???? reasons
Even TF2 established why the mercs fight each other.
>>339342321
not being pushed down our throats every goddam fucking day, go fuck yourself blizzard employees, your fucking game is shit and nobody will play this hot piece of trash of overwatch real quick.
>>339348113
Agreed. I like OW a lot, but the 6v6 means you need to have a majority of your team playing at their best while having a solid composition. That generally doesn't happen when every idiot wants to play Genji/Hazno/Widowmaker and contribute nothing. At least in TF2, a handful of decent players could carry the rest of the team to victory.
>>339348675
from the looks of it: everything
>>339348554
Dirty Bomb
>>339348748
They didn't really, and TF2 was much better before the whole Blutarch bullshit
Then again the actual visual design of the maps stayed the same so whatever
>>339348675
the embodiment of iFunny
>>339348554
Technically, Fire Emblem Path of Radiance
But I don't think you meant "fantasy mercenaries"
>>339348706
and Peace Walker
>>339348540
I have a friend that his only argument is that TF2 is old and that while he loved TF2 Overwatch is new and shiny.
The fucking nigger only has 191 fucking hours compaired to my whopping 3700K and climbing.
He'll drop Overwatch the same way after the novelty has worn off.
Its pretty much FOTM as fuck for most people.
>>339345743
>doesn't know about the power of music
top pleb
>>339349048
His music doesn't even have lyrics
How can that nigger make propaganda without lyrics?
>>339348109
>he
>>339343164
Under rated.
>>339344881
That tsu zoo joke gets me every time.
I don't know how people can think the overwatch shorts can even come close to these.
>>339348540
>wanting to play 24/7 mario_kart with pedophile furfags and autists
No thanks
>>339342321
>What are things TF2 does better than Overwatch?
More depth
Much better VA
Much better lines
Mods
Dedicated servers
Doesn't try and force esports
Better pricing (it always had this)
Much better game design (no stupid shit like Bastion that is basically just a turret)
>>339348554
Jagged Alliance
>>339342321
Banter/voice lines, by fucking far, holy shit every single line in overwatch is cliche cringe crap
>>339348913
>They didn't really
The mercs get paid to fight over petty shit because blue and red mann what control over their father's assets.
In overwatch they gather to fight becasue ???? reasons and the shorts told us nothing.
>>339349345
It says dedicated servers, you faget.
Which measn you can actually choose between various servers of good people who actually know how to play the game on a map you like or go to some MLP roleplay server if you want
Which is much better than being FORCED to go on that shitty map filled with incompotent kids playing
Dude surf maps lmao
>>339349640
>various servers of good people who actually know how to play the game
Care to share any? Couldn't find one so I stopped playing
>>339349497
Yeah, that's the retcon
Originally there was no plot just Blu versus Red, and one being about construction, the other lumbing
a tick rate, instead of a thick rate.
>>339349497
the funny part is how simple they could have added the reason all it it had to be was when overwatch was recalled it could have just been that talon was offering money or whatever the ex overwatch agent wanted so they'll fight their comrades
>>339349896
getting hooked through corners happens way to often
>>339349896
overrated post
>>339342321
hats
it should be
>How Much did blizzard steal?
>Junkrat is a Joker bootleg
>Roadhog is literally every Leatherface wannabe
>Winston is the average "Smart gorlila with roboShit"
>Trobro is the average "Dwarf with TechShit"
>Widowmaker is a TF2 Sniper bootleg
>>339343214
it IS 12 players max fucktard
>>339342585
>Warcraft 3 is a bad game
Character design before Valve fucked it all up with the accessories.
They are both simple casual shit made to bank on dress up faggotry, well modern TF2 at least.
Please buy all the keys/lootboxes goys.
>>339349782
>Couldn't find one so I stopped playing
Yeah after 1000 of hours.
See, I enjoyed TF2 for a long time and I was ablo to do so because I could mix up the playstyle msyelf. I think I had like 500 hours of regular TF2 matches before I got bored of it, but then I found these community created gamemodes like vs Saxton Hale, random weapon and Prophunt, which gave me another 300 hours of fun. This wasnt possible if there werent any dedicated servers or mod support.
Overwatch is already fairly stale in gameplay, because you can't switch up weapons to create your own playstyle. You just have to pick a character and do it with that. The fact that your forced into the same simple game modes and maps really doesnt help that.
>>339350318
i really fucking how basic the map design is on overwatch so many of the maps has to many choke points with no enough flank routes
>>339350125
Overwatch is Stormwatch
Lucio is Teenage Negro Ninja Thrasher
Tracer and Widowmaker straight up take features of Velocity down to the ass shots.
>>339350318
>Randomizer on Overwatch
That would be amazing. Shame it would never happen.
>>339350561
Learn how to play. Everything has multiple routes. Sometimes it's only limited to certain characters, but that's the point. You switch when you need to for the needs of your team.
>>339349912
That's even more dumb since these are heroes, not ruthless mercs.
It only works in TF2 because its wacky and even then you cant think too deep into it.
>>339350565
Source?
>>339348978
>over 1000 hours into TF2
I'm genuinely amazed you didn't get bored way before then. And nearing 200 hours is pretty fine for a multiplayer game.
>>339350565
>Widowmaker
>Not Asagi
Down to the brainwash and the ninja training and the goddamned costume. Add a generic spooky goggles and a bad french accent and it's a dead ringer.
>>339350976
well in the first trailer the kids were talking how most of them are mercs after overwatch shut down
>>339344465
>implying low skill ceiling is bad for competitive play.
Oh please, you afraid that a ton of people are going to be equal skill wise and you don't have the mind and strategy to back it up?
Low skill ceilings allow more competitive play with further player "skill" progression pouring over to tactics rather than physical gameplay.
>>339349872
Ones demolition and the other is construction, it's just a joke story to add to the silliness of the setting.
Do you people get upset over capture the flag in Tribes?
>>339348978
You wasted 3700000 hours or around 422 years and you are ... proud of that? Maybe you should go get an education so you can properly write large numbers :3
>>339348540
>being this insecure that your game is going to be (rightfully) dethroned
:3 lol
TF2 actually has a decent artstyle that is cartoony, yet holds the masculinity and grit from its Quake/Half-Life roots
Cuckwatch is just random fapbait shit that appeals to cucks and SJWs, seriously, what the fuck is this? Like, who finds this appealing?
>>339351216
Skill ceiling kinda factors in shit like tactics and strategies, it's never been purely about execution.
A shallow game will have a fairly stunted comp scene. Then again CoD has had a comp scene for a while.
>>339351145
Velocity is older so seniority rules.
>>339351473
>OP asks why TF2 is better
>Tell why TF2 is better
>HAHAHA LOOK AT THIS LOSER DEDICATING HIS LIFE TO ANSWERING QUESTIONS
Blablabla bait.jpeg
let's discuss vidya
>>339344942
Cozy camper
>>339344539
>as a Medigun/Kritz can fuck up a sentry nest just as easily
You do know that crits don't affect buildings, right?
>>339342321
>no Q button
>faster paced
>requires more skill
>has bigger player base
>has bigger fan base
>more heroes to choose from
>more customization
>free to play
>more maps to choose from
>better graphics
>more framerate
>better tickrate
>more video options
>more sound options
>more keyboard layout options
>no p2w cosmetics
>no p2w at all
>less lag
>bigger team sizes
>more weapons to choose from
>more mechanics
>better rocket jumping
>strafes
>surfing
>more game modes
>videomaker
>half of memes come from tf2
only thing tf2 doesn't have is mercy
>>339351558
"I want weakling children and a mother who dies from childbirth" - You
>>339351594
People say cod has a low skill ceiling but the difference between a shit player and a top player is massive.
>>339351558
Overwatch benefits from Battleborn existing to make Overwatch seem more coherent than it actually is. Battleborn is a retinal assault of vomit colors with disgusting character designs.
>>339351749
Does Overwatch has p2w content?
Genuinly curious, I dont have the game.
Has characters that aren't Pixar heroes with guns. Every TF2 class is a believable killer, meanwhile why the fuck is a Chinese climatologist fighting a Brazillian DJ?
>>339351749
>p2w cosmetics
Here's your (you)
>>339349108
Nigger btfo of the poo in loos that were trying to fuck over his country with music.
>>339350947
Okay. but another complaint i have with the map design it how spaced out the spawns are it they always seem to far for both sides
>>339343152
>Overwatch beats out TF2 In:
>Waifus
>imfuckingplying
but yeah I agree with everything
>>339351909
You can pay real money to unlock loot boxes, which also are unlocked every time you level up.
The loot boxes only contain cosmetics like skins, sprays, and taunts, and that post is certified b8
I really hate what tf2 has become. Stuff like the Demoknight just is annoying.
>>339342321
everything.
Blizzard actually cares about the console versions of Overwatch and balances it accordingly
other than that there's not a lot of ways it's superior to TF2
>>339348709
> Narrow levels, small teams, short map durations, minimal differences on how to attack, and little to no customization
>none of these are competitive game features
>therefore it must be a competitive game
whoao dude, your post is really stupid
>>339342321
TF2 has the Soldier. He will forever be the best character in vidya.
>>339342321
TF2 has memorable music
>>339351789
What the fuck are you going on about?
This shit is just a feminist's wet dream- that character isnt a proper potrayal of strength, power, or masculinity
>>339352253
what happened to tf2 on the 360 was that microsoft wanted to charge for the updates but valve wanted them to be free i have no what happened on the playstation end
>>339351808
Meh, it's not completely brainless but compared to Quake or 1.6 it's really shallow. You can get pretty good at CoD within a handful of months.
>>339344093
>>Black Scotsman
>>Absurd
>>The absurdity is funny and makes for a fun character
He's voiced by a white guy (The Heavy is voiced by the same guy) and the fact no-one ever complains or cares about it surprises me a lot. No-one saying "he doesn't sound black enough" or anything. He's fucking great, the Demoman.
>>339352253
>caring about console versions
Oy vey that is funny
>>339352430
>implying Overwatch doesn't
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJZjlMYUp5M
>>339352547
Why do you think she's supposed to exemplify masculinity?
So what do you guys want for TF3 ? I'll start :
>tf2 included as in L4d2 and L4d1
>9 all new classes, old and new dont play together
>New items
>new maps, at least one new game mode
>advanced storyline
>>339347701
>implying all overwatch cast isn't ironic
You must all be blind not to see that.
Reaper is the best example of the edgiest edginess.
The korean girl is the epic e-sport pro. The black is the wubwub cool reggae black. Americans are a cowboy and a soldier. The french is the smug femme fatale.
All the game revolves about cliches, it's not even hided.
>>339352654
Oh, cool.
It's still shit.
>>339352636
Nice bait, Still. Overwatch has like 3 scores at most.
>>339352645
I don't
>>339352547
Do you understand how genes work? Protip: it's not just the father, it's both parents
Strong man + weakling female = Higher chance of weakling son
>>339352627
http://www.polygon.com/2015/11/6/9685924/overwatch-console-pc-crossplay-blizzcon
okay kiddo, i'm sure the other kids in middle school think your greentexting is hilarious
modding support
variety
>>339352648
>same classes, but with side classes (Huntsman, Demoknight) made into separate classes
>more important weapons made into abilities (Medic has both Uber and Kritz, Soldier always has Airstrike effect when rocket jumping, Sniper can use Jarate whenever)
>more maps and gamemodes
>reimagined old maps
>>339348057
Genji has to play like a Spy, in that he doesn't fight people head on and uses his superior mobility to take out priority targets from unexpected angle. He doesn't have an instant kill backstab, but Genji's ranged weapon has arguably better close-in combat with his shuriken.
>>339346332
TF2 has ubers, that alone shits on ults.
TF2's Engie is Bastion, Torb and Symettra rolled into one and can solo break a push on his own.
Solder and Demoman are absolute monsters compared to Junkrat and Phara.
Overwatch also has no equivalent of the spy.
Mei is more potent than Pyro and Widowmaker is much more effective than sniper.
>>339352654
>random stereotypes are OK if it's ironic
If the characters/world don't make sense together, then it's shit.
You can't just accept incoherent bullshit because it appeals to your cuck fantasies
>>339351558
>who finds this appealing
Straight men. Enjoy your all male Pixar knockoff, Valvedrone
>>339351558
>Like, who finds this appealing?
Literally the only thing unattractive about Zarya is the hair.
Also you're ignoring that all the other female characters are top shelf waifubait.
>>339352878
You seem to be an expert at this subject - maybe it's because you have experience as a weak cuck?
>>339343223
>>339343224
Samefag?
>>339352654
>ironic
No, it's just cliché like all the crap the incompetent writers at blizzard have ever shat. Just look at Warcraft's lore, it's something an uncultured 12 years old could come up with after watching the LotR movies for the first time.
>>339351749
>>339348540
>TF2 has so much more stuff!
It didn't when it came out. It wasn't free, either.
>>339352894
>http://www.polygon.com/2015/11/6/9685924/overwatch-console-pc-crossplay-blizzcon
>linking polygon article
>first sentence
>"designed to play as well on console as PCs"
>still failed to do it
Holy shit dude
>>339353130
I'm sure you've played it on consoles, kid
shouldn't European kids be in school by now
>>339353108
>ignoring waifubait
I am not ignoring that, I acknowledged that when I said that this game appeals to cucks
It's just waifubait for cucks to masturbate furiously to
>>339353175
>this guy actually owns a console.
>plays shooter games, on a console.
Hahaha holy shit
>>339353113
Sorry for choosing my partners based on what's best for my bloodline instead of marrying the first fat slag that agreed to fuck me
>>339342731
>walk over obvious trap
>waah demoman is cheap
>>339353287
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>>339352654
Cliche is fine with SJWs, but the Negro Thrashers thing was actually deemed offensive.
Healing ramp.
Classes do not hard counter each other.
Stun effects kept at a minimum.
Superior character banter.
6v6? 12v12? 16v16? You can play whatever format you'd like.
Dedicated servers.
Won't be disconnected simply because steam goes down. Battle.net boots you out if it so much as has a hiccup.
Versatile classes that don't force you into one playstyle.
But then it's infested by bronies, cheaters, and hatconomy faggots. Good luck ever finding a server without a dozen idlers in the spawn room waiting for their crate drops.
I miss 2007.
>>339353451
>being a c*ck in twenty-sixteen
>>339353279
What the fuck difference does it make if the game is shit?
Overwatch has MOBA-tier auto-aim PRESS X TO ULT babyshit gameplay, you might as well get comfy and play it on a controller because there isn't much of a skill ceiling.
At least in a game like Quake or CS, it's impossible to play decent on a controller - but cuckwatch? why even fucking argue about controller vs PC, its cuck gameplay anyway!!
>>339353541
I agree with you
>>339353541
you can't convince a fucking moron, anon
look at this aim-intensive character. There's totally no way you could play him on a controller, even on PC
>>339353451
Strong women are superior in every way compared to fat little girly ones.
>>339353673
How about submissive THICK ones? Not giant behemoths that want to ream you with a strap on? Unlike you, most men with a remote amount of self-respect don't want to be turned into a little bitch. I get it though, you're a cuck and you['re into that shit, I'm only judging a little bit.
Wow, cuck just has no meaning whatsoever anymore doesn't it?
>>339353773
its had no meaning for months now
>>339344093
You do know there are black Brazilians, right? Just because the media there likes to hid their negroes doesn't mean they aren't there. By your logic, blacks are only found in America and Africa.
>TF2fags complaining about movement
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Or8Ralwjak
>>339353998
This type of shit is so dumb
>>339342484
Why is Rocket Jump such a big deal? Most of us moved on from Quake years ago.
>>339353741
Sure, then dont forget to blame the jews when your kid is a fatass
>thicc
Ads I said, marrying the first slag who liked you
>>339342517
HAHAHAHAHA
(You)
>>339353998
>Pedo RoboJesus statue
>>339353998
that would be interesting if he was an offensive hero seeing how that he is a support keeps him grounded most of the time
>>339354231
Ads I said?
I don't get it?
>>339353998
Is this really what cuckwatch shills call movement?
It's like fucking COD/Titanfall wallrunning, it's shit
>>339346926
It's mentioned on the update page that the Quick-Fix broke after its first use, and can't do a normal uber. Still heals, though.
Medic isn't ubered because he didn't have the uber heart surgery yet. He's a mad doctor, but he isn't stupid. Don't test things on yourself first, use your coworkers!
>>339354267
He's actually right, cuck
Come up with a better rebuttal
>>339354360
More interesting than double jumping scouts.
>>339353998
I wonder if they intended for this to be done
>>339343152
>Classes are much more distinct, Overwatch Silhouettes are pretty confusing, Skins make it worse.
The ONLY characters I've ever confused based on silhouette are Dva out of her mech and Tracer.
>>339344648
Yeah that's modern Blizzard's cutscenes in a nutshell: on a technical level they're well done, but apart from special effects they have absolutely nothing going for themand it's depressing because they used to make some of the best cinematics in the video game industry, and now they're just its Michael Bay.
>>339349290
I watched "Alive" and it was so fucking bad. The only good thing about it is that the characters used the skills they have in game (but even then, only when it was convenient for the narrative for Tracer)
>>339346580
>The game does have a high skill ceiling.
Being this deluded.
>>339354418
No
Scout blows the fuck out of this nignog in pure velocity
>>339344214
>TF2 is getting so old the voice actors can't even do the voices right any more
>In Expiration Date, Engie was voiced by Nolan North
>Nolan North also did a Soldier line since his original VA couldn't do the shouting voice properly
>Demoman's newest lines all sound off since his VA can barely do the voice, but he seems fine on Heavy
>If TF2 somehow continues to be a big thing for another decade and gets another real, substantial update with voice lines, they may have to contract entirely new VAs for some characters
>>339353998
>COD jumping mechanic
shit
not to mention it's for a character whose main fucking use is to stand on the ground near teammates
the fact that he's the character with this shallow mechanic is hilarious at best
>>339354562
oh no, a old game is old? No shit.
>>339354412
Oh yeah, they blew me away with the german doctor, or the huge russian with a huge gun, VERY interesting characters, and I love how every single map looks like different areas of the same facility.
>>339354562
Now I'm going on a feels trip, that's really sad
>>339354562
I wouldn't mind new VAs if they could get the voices right. If they were even a little off though I'd riot.
>>339353998
>that last songtoo bad Lucio is a support, so that stuff will never see its use
>>339354562
at least they have nolan use his voice range instead of using the same fucking voice hes been doing for years
>>339354418
Not really. The double jump can be used to navigate the maps in a lot of extremely cool ways. There's probably youtube videos of people showing double jump tricks you can do on maps like cp_badlands, etc.And even though I dislike most of the unlockable weapons in TF2, I have to admit the Force of Nature's high jump is really fucking cool, but that's besides the point.
>>339354562
>since his VA can barely do the voice
Actually, the VA was always incosistent with demoman. You can see him fuck it up in some really early interviews / behind the scenes stuff.
>>339354486
>Enemy team has an Odette Widowmaker and a Devi Symmetra.
>>339353998
UNDERSTAND UNDERSTAND
>>339354652
The characters are actually coherent in their design and have a sense of realism, making sense for mid-1900's shit (pay attention to their clothes, facial features, voices, etc.)
Cuckwatch has none of this consistency, and its just waifubait nignog SJW cuckshit
>>339344089
God damn I fucking love SFM animations. Gmod ones too.
>>339354652
See the funny thing about your post is that you're intentionally ignoring the clever writing that brings those characters to life and makes them good.
In Overwatch Widowmaker really is nothing more than some hentai ripoff, Tracer some obnoxious brit, etc.
>>339342484
Honestly, Ms. Pauling is the best waifu of them all
>>339343134
It is better at having women than TF2
BRB gonna read some tf2/overwatch fanfiction
>>339354935
To add onto what you've already said, the characters are all unique. I like how valve utilized their silhouettes to match their personality.
>>339355057
Heavy and Zarya killing bears with bare hands
>>339354604
the heal is in a huge AoE around you, doesnt matter if youre above/below your teammates you fucknugget.
>>339342321
Not much
>>339354897
Ok just give me some time, I'm gonna make this happen.
>>339351145
The french accent isn't bad doode
>>339354320
>>339354604
>keeps him grounded most of the time
Nah, his gun does decent damage as is and the secondary fire has knockback properties. As you saw in the video, the movement can be used to constantly harass the enemy around the objective. Considering his heal is an aura with really good range, he actually doesn't need to be that close to his team to heal them. Which leaves you free to be a nuisance bouncing off the walls and splitting the enemy's attention. Coming down only to drop your Ultimate which gives everyone a massive shield.
Kind of like tihs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vPDsgg9n40
>>339344617
*tips fedora* I agree with you my brother! Power to the players!!!!! XD by the way have you posted this epic burn to /r/pcmasterrace or /r/gamergate yet??
>>339344517
There is.
>>339355518
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. Reported for being the worst human being to ever walk the earth. Kill yourself, faglord.
>>339355491
alright i may try off lucio the next time i play
>>339354562
If Heavy and Demo's voice actor dies, I might actually cry like a bitch.
>>339354438
>tfwthey didn't alter or change any of his movement properties since closed beta,
I don't know if they intended for it, but they seem to want to keep it
>>339349290
>tzu zoo
>finding that stupid joke funny
So this is why TF2 is filled with bronies, furries and SJW faggots. This is their audience.
>>339356024
>wah wah i can't enjoy wordplay
ow the edge
>>339355518
Spotted the buttmad Blizzard drone.
>>339356024
Tell your boyfriend I said hi, faggot.
>>339342321
medi gun
health packs
map design
servers
game modes
custom maps
you can choose whatever map you want and go play a different one whenever you feel like it without being punished for it
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