So, better than TF2 or...?
It's most certainly better than TF2 post 2011
Now if we're comparing classic TF2 from back in the day with Overwatch, that's a way harder battle.
>>339311802
i still find tf2 way more fun for some reason
No
Tf2 never got bad
has absolutely none of the longevity of TF2
balance is centered around esports composition rather than 1v1 class parity
shitters won't be able to enjoy it for more than a few months, and they're 99% of the playerbase, maximum Overshill
>>339311802
It's certainly better than MODERN TF2
No way in hell it could ever live up to TF2 in it's 2007-2010 hayday
>>339312706
What's wrong anon? Parents didn't buy you the game? Maybe find a job?
how mysterious, the shills aren't aggressively bumping the thread that points out the weak design, and inability to surpass a 10 year old game
>>339311802
Definitely not worth the money Blizzard are charging. The press Q to get kills and frantic gameplay also means that the game in the esports scene will fail miserably. I really don't see overwatch lasting, it will go the same route as hots
>>339312060
Yeah. I'm having about as much fun with this game as classic TF2. It's making me not miss going back to play TF2 again.
>>339312872
you can tell by the 'tier lists' that are appearing in the wild, that people expect some level of straight deathmatch, and are instead getting a game where you're required to play with specific roles at all times
the disparity between the strength of classes that are self-sufficient, and the weakness of ones that are centered around teamplay, at least for people who expect to deathmatch every single game, is startling
the game cannot, and will not survive without the casual player having fun
It's really fun and playing it made me relive the old memories of playing TF2 back when it was good.
It's most certainly better than current TF2.
>>339313086
You're talking as if TF2 didn't have class dynamics where a team full of spies and snipers is doomed to fail
>>339313086
I agree with that, forcing people into classes or characters they don't want to play will eventually cripple the playerbase for casuals.
The game isn't bad, but it has a lot of problems.
>>339312828
Not really, no.
If you have some problem with modern TF2 be it hats or balance or whatever then you can just start your own server and change it.
>>339311802
COME, JOIN ME IN GLORY!
>>339313321
I bet you're one of those people that think Skyrim is a masterpiece because modding can make it amazing
>>339313292
and overwatch had the opportunity to remove those two design errors, and failed to
it left snipers in, and now we have the same problem in overwatch
widowx2, that team fails, and no one has fun
mccreex3 and everyone feels irritated that they have to play reinhardt or lucio for the thousandth time, and no one has fun
at least in TF2 scoutx6 has a chance of succeeding
>>339313394
>that cunt Mei being stomped against a wall
YES! YES!
>>339313446
He isn't really wrong though. I don't play tf2 often myself, but simply removing all cosmetics with a mod and disabling chat is enough for me to have fun
Overwatch isn't very stimulating personally. I already figured out how the game works and it's so boring. There's really no fun coming from it. S4 League was more fun than this.
>>339313472
>design errors
fucking implying
The game is a lot more fun when teams are varied rather than if every fucking character was equally powerful together.
The different class dynamics is one of the things that made old TF2 so fun, and likewise it's what makes Overwatch so fun right now. TF2 did exactly what you're saying but adding a fucking shit ton of unlockable weapons that change the class dynamics and allows you to change your counters, this is one of the thing that makes modern TF2 so shit. It's a casual chaotic shitfest.
>>339311802
Imagine TF2 vanilla 5 years ago but the spy could stun and shoot all his bullets at once
>>339311802
I have 60 hours so far in OW and love it. So much variety of playstyles with characters which also vary on your team mates' characters. I never really got into TF2 though - it just wasn't too exciting for me for some reason. Only played 193 hours until I stopped altogether in 2010.
Main downside of OW is no mods. If Blizz doesn't pump out new maps regularly it will start to get boring.
No. Limited options, maps, gamemodes, playstyles, individual class depth, etc.
All the people saying it's better than modern tf2 are fucking idiots considering modern tf2's content, modability, etc.
Come back in two years and ask the same question.
>>339313589
I'm not going to call someone a great chef if I have to put ketchup over the whole damn thing for it to taste well
>>339312060
Nope, even after 2011, Tf2 is better thatn Overmeme.
>>339313925
>letting mccree sneak up on you
>>339313508
why is there a fat bitch in this game anyway?
who wants to play as a fat bitch in a shooter
>>339314006
>All the people saying it's better than modern tf2 are fucking idiots considering modern tf2's content, modability, etc.
Classic neo-TF2 faggot. Has no idea what TF2 looked like before it became shit.
>>339314034
Unlike tf2, you do not even have the option to add condiments to the shit sandwich, which is overwatch. You are simply stuck with a boring game, with a low skill ceiling and incompetent devs who will ultimately kill the game.
>>339313446
Nah, Skyrim is a throughly terrible game but mods make it good.
TF2 is an amazing game that just got old. A lot of really intelligent design decisions went into TF2 like how classes are tight and self contained, have unique identifiable silhouettes and how the game revolves around the Medic uber. The medic uber is what puts the team in TF2. Its great.
It's just that in order to make TF2 a fresh game again they had to, by definition, deviate away from what made TF2 great. It's no longer so tightly designed because it got updated with hats and gimmicks so that there were new things to play with. So, you can change it back and make old new again since it's been a while since most people have played real vanilla TF2.
Overwatch lacks this level of detail when it comes to design and is just a shitty mess. Not even modded servers could save Overwatch.
It's worse than TF2 before F2P, but better than modern TF2.
>>339313394
>mfw a lone reaper tries to get behind my shield in wraith form and I put my shield down and ready my hammer and he knows he's fucked
>>339314123
>not appreciating the delicious chub
>>339314201
>You are simply stuck with a boring game
I have played 20 hours of Overwatch in the past week.
That's already infinitely more than the time I spent on TF2 since 2012 (and even then I was already stretching a good game turned terrible out of habit)
You're the one playing boring shit, probably a creature of habit stuck in there because you have your valuable 1000 dollar hat, and you can't stand to see it be devalued when a new fun game comes into the genre.
OW has personality.
TF2 has ponies.
>>339314120
I can only deal with him as Reinhardt or Genji
>mfw I block his ult
>mfw I reflect his flashbang
>>339311802
Only thing truly lifted from TF2 are the gamemodes.
The characters aren't so much classes as, well, characters. Blizzard's choice of the word "hero" is apt since their distinctions are more similar to Dota or LoL than class-based shooters. What I think doesn't mesh well is the concept of "ultimates" with long cooldowns. That's something taken from ASSFAGS, but those games feature concentrated teamfights in which most teammates will use their ults, then a lull while most have to recharge. Teams with most of their ults up will engage on teams that have them down, forcing them to play defensively. It's a back and forth type of thing. But in Overwatch, it's really just a constant push and that's encouraged by the linear, claustrophobic maps. There's nothing else to do besides attack the opposing team, no turrets or creep or warding. So most players just use their ults when they see a good opportunity for THEM, not necessarily their team. That's in part due to the fact that it's harder to discern what exactly each teammate is doing from a first-person view than a top-down view. But while it lacks that kind of strategizing around teamfights, it also doesn't feel like a fun hectic battlefield like TF2 does. 6v6, while also the size of comp TF2, doesn't really have the feel of a front line advancing in the same sense that 12v12 TF2 does (which is the amount at which I think TF2 really shines.)
It feels in this awkward middle ground between a "small, focused competitive game defined by skirmishing and maneuvering up until a climactic teamfight", and "a bigger team-sized casual (but the fun and accessible kind of casual) class/character-based battle".
tl;dr it feels like a slightly awkward point on a 2D spectrum between TF2 and Dota/LoL when I think they could have gotten a 11/10 GOTYAY if they had taken the best elements from each, then struck out in a third unique direction to really create something nuanced and new.
Still a lot of simple fun.
>>339314185
I've played tf2 since 2009. Discounting whatever gripes you have with the community, modern tf2 is objectively a better game than it was pre 2011. Class balances, regular updates, new weapons/loadouts/maps.
The real problem with tf2 is that after thousands of hours of playtime and years of life, it's simply gotten boring; regardless, it's still one of the best games ever made.
>>339314447
Speaking of, this game is the first one in a fucking LONG time that has finally made me start to consider selling all my unusual hats and moving on.
I might finally be able to get away from this fucking game
>>339314373
F A T
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>>339314530
GoZarya, shield yourself, most will panic and fan the hammer, thank him for charging your gun by melting him
>>339314447
Actually if you had bothered to read, I said already I don't really play tf2. At the moment I'm playing ratchet & clank, and dark souls 3.
The fact is, the classes in overwatch are all boring. There is nothign unique about them, and the competitive scene is already proving this, just look at the ridiculous lineups where every match shuns a character. Without a high skill ceiling the only thing to add replayability are unlockables, meaning more shitty cosmetics, which are already verging on the same tier as tf2's.
>>339314482
This is the best overwatch webm ive seen, up there with the lucio team kill
>>339313086
Sorry that it doesn't pander to casuals and has class dynamics.
Maybe buy infinite warfare? Seems right up your alley!
>>339313086
>>339313313
Not everyone hates playing tank or a healer. Even if you do, you'll just have to do it once in a while or ignore it. I have been winning some matches without a tank or a healer.
>>339311802
Definately had more fun with TF2. The matches are longer and are build more on turret defence. If the turret goes down, there's a huge chance you lose. That made playing engi, demo and spy fun.
OW matches are much shorter and are more about wiping out the enemy team. They lack depth but are fun for casual skirmishing.
>>339314373
...Yeeeeeah, you can keep your fat bitches, dude.
>>339314692
Good advice, but I hate playing as Toblerone
>>339311802
Was starting to get bored until someone linked the Masteroverwatch.com site and I checked leaderboards, and saw i was #150 dirtiest bastion player in the US now i have to defend my meme rank
>>339313925
>playing arcade mode
>enemy team goes all McCree
>it's high noon
>it's high noon!
>it's high noon!!
>it's high noon!!!
>it's high noon!!!
>it's high noon!!!!
>it's high noon!!!!!
>go mei to block them
>works for the most part
>one gets behind and high noons the rest of my team
>I get surrounded alone by 5 McCrees
>it's high noon
>it's high noon
>it's high noon
>it's high noon
>it's high noon
>close my eyes and accept my fate
>>339314858
>fat
I enjoy Overwatch much more than TF2, but I only played TF2 on 24-32 player dedicated servers.
>>339314790
I think this is my favorite, then again I main Reinhardt
>>339315128
thicc
>>339312706
It's going to have longevity because they've hired skilled Jewish economists to design the loot/crate system.
People will pour thousands of dollars on these items and play simply to model these items.
>>339314616
I agree with most of your post but
>It also doesn't feel like a fun hectic battlefield like TF2 does. 6v6, while also the size of comp TF2, doesn't really have the feel of a front line advancing in the same sense that 12v12 TF2 does (which is the amount at which I think TF2 really shines.)
I disagree here, because of the movement of the characters and the size of the maps, Overwatch feels much more frantic, faster paced and intense than the average TF2 match felt, even during the old days, but certainly more so than modern TF2. It's also another reason why I like it a lot even though I hate MOBA's.
>>339311802
please put the name in op next time so I can properly filter this shit thanks
>>339314373
Body Hotness = Breast/(Belly^2)
Why do people say 2011-today tf2 is bad? Was it just the hats?
>>339311802
Yeah just by the fact that there's no tradable items or other dumb crap people idle hours for.
It's not free so it's not full of cheating russians. The game is actually kind of fun. That's pretty rare these days considering it's only $40.
>>339312828
I like the graphics in OverWatch it's better than the beta was. It's nice to see decent visuals in a multiplayer game these days.
>>339315513
economic stability does not mean a stable playerbase
>>339313086
That's why this game is good, teamwork is rewarded.
Damn it.
>>339315662
That and the community started by said hats. Also some people don't like the new weapons, and feel the game is a mess balance wise.
>>339315662
Off the top of my head..
Hats create a lot of visual noise and attract communities of people who are there to be elitist hat barons and not be good at playing the game.
Lots of new weapons have blurred the distinction between classes and given classes uses that they were never intended to have which is suboptimal. Classes like scout got weaker because so much new shit flying around at different speeds hurt them the most while heavy got better for same reason.
The game got kind of old.
>>339315958
>∩｀-´)⊃━ﾟ.*･｡ﾟ
>>339315529
Yeah. I fucking HATE mobas, but this feels like playing old TF2 again.
Hell, it's how I wish TF3 would have been
>>339315662
Oh I forgot.
Matchmaking killed private servers because newbies just play shitty valve servers. Then they play 32v32 skial p2w servers and don't know any better. They'll never experience what it's like to play on a server with people who know what they're doing.
>>339314105
Spotted the TFbrony
>>339315662
The artstyle got fucked by cosmetics and paint
The class dynamics got fucked by unlockable weapons
The community got fucked by cosmetics, the trading system, and the nail in the coffin with the game going f2p
>>339315662
I think the hats existed before 2011. 2011 was when all the retarded side weapons (which already existed as well) started going into overdrive and muddying the game up with bullshit that made classes get a bunch of retarded gimmicky sub-classes inside them that removed the simplicity and fun of the original TF2. Then you also had the market and idlers and hat barons and annoying fucking hats everywhere with retarded stupid overbearing and obnoxious effects. And to add further insult to injury, it went free to play so the community completely went to shit.
Playing TF2 became the equivalent of joining a gmod server where only half the people are actually interested in playing a videogame. Valve ruined their own game for the sake of trying to keep it fresh and to jew you out.
2011 was the last hurrah for TF2 which was already going downhill by 2010, I finally quit in mid 2012 (despite the fact I wasn't having fun with the game for about 2 years at that point) and have been waiting for a good team class shooter ever since. Overwatch has finally delivered five years later. Took someone long enough.
>>339316005
>>339316049
Thanks
>>339316049
>>339316005
What I don't think people understand is, nearly every esport has its competitive scene different to the casual scene. By this I mean, CS;GO has different timings for bombs, and higher tickrate servers in competitive matches. TF2 has certain weapons banned.
TF2 is the same as it always has been, aslong as you play on competitive servers, and you should be if you are moaning this much about a game being bad. The same goes for overwatch. The cosmetics are already very garish, and the ability to stack classes is insane in the sporting scene. They will have to add special rules for tournaments if they want it to succeed.
>>339314105
Let it go anon, it's dead.
>>339316090
At this point it's 100% impossible for a Team Fortress 3 to be good. Valve would most certainly bring in all the bullshit from TF2 and you'd get to keep your hats and weapons and all that shit. Plus Valve seems determined in never making good games again.
Overwatch is the spiritual successor to TF2, which unfortunately shut down in 2011, as far as i'm concerned.
>>339314692
I need this chick on my face
>>339312419
AHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>339315958
Valvedrone detected
>>339316509
>Competitivefag
Fuck off. I couldn't give less of a shit about your esports. Overwatch is fun. Trying to play TF2 nowadays is like treading through piles of shit for the occasional nugget of gold.
>>339316652
>spiritual successor
Yeah, that's what I really think this game is
>>339316404
Same here.
From TF2 I moved into Tribes Ascend, but it died too quickly.
>>339315381
Early design art kek bitch is fat in game with her failed tumblr looks, she appears to be an ugly, overweight, white, weaboo, fanfiction writing abomination, how embarrassing
>>339312154
because you're invested in TF2 like the cuck you are.
>>339316731
Nick Garcia you Blizzdrone, you went to PAX East just to get exclusive content for Heroes of the Storm.
>>339316778
But if you care enough to say tf2 is bad and that there are so many hats, why do you refuse to understand that servers are already readily available that are entirely balanced, and ready for fun to be had.
>>339316968
>>339317015
>>339316972
Because you're full of shit. I played TF2 for myself and saw how terrible it got first hand. There's no need to lie.
Maybe in your specific autistic competitive community, TF2 managed to keep a shred of its appeal, but for those of us that played the game whenever we felt like, it went to absolute shit.
>>339316780
Anon please, Overwatch didn't take any of the good design decisions from TF2. It took it all from LoL. It's design is an abomination and an affront to TF2
>>339316972
You can stop pretending now, anon
Team Fortress 2 doesn't have to hurt you anymore
No need to defend it
There are better options now
>>339316915
mei is bae
>>339317182
Overwatch couldn't hope to be a 1/100th of the affront to TF2 that TF2 itself is nowadays.
>>339316915
Oh c'mon, how do you not find this adorable?
>>339311802
no its not. the only thing this piece of mediocrity did right was not adapting random crits. instead of having a few classes with multiple weapons and abilities (more than 2 per character) we got tons of shallow characters where basic weapon swapping is non existent. the weapon design sucks balls too. there's already a massive preference for hitscan weapons over projectile based ones. Some characters get completely fucked over by this too like junkrat, hanzo, and symmetra.
the maps themselves nearly all feel the same. they feel they are following cancerous competitive layout ive seen in 50 million AAA fps consisting of one straight path and 3 to 4 flanks.
it reminds me way more of Gotham City Impostors than it does TF2. except all your abilities have 10 to 20 second cooldowns and it managed to be even dumber than COD.
>>339317390
I think this actually goes to why the game feels off for me. All the fun abilities are on long cooldowns. In a normal shooter, your abilities were your many gun choices. In this game, your abilities are like a gun that can fire once, then you have to take a long time to reload.
>>339317319
Yeah... what dark times these are...
>>339317390
>Some characters get completely fucked over by this too like junkrat, hanzo, and symmetra
Pfhahahahaha, you literally named two of the best characters in the game and one character that is excellent when defending. At least name Genji or something, you retard.
>>339317182
Modern TF2 is an affront to old TF2.
Overwatch didn't go for the same strict guidelines, but it still managed to find a particular style which I find quite pleasing. Yes it does look like a Dreamworks movie, and I'm perfectly alright with that
It's not often I get to be a bunch of Dreamworks characters killing each other
>>339317208
But numbers don't lie. People heralded overwatch as being the TF2 killer, and it has failed. No matter what you say,you gotta admit that overwatch was not as successful as everyone hoped
>>339311802
but anon, tf2 is free!
>>339315350
>>339314790
My fav is the dead Torb PotG where he falls off the ledge at Hanamura
>>339317375
it's not adorable when she's looking me right in the eyes as she's about to impale my skull with a fucking icicle
Overwatches characters and just general love for the game is kind of not even comparable to the amount of character and love that was put into TF2.
I still think Overwatch is the better funner game to play though.
>>339317667
Rome wasn't built in a day
Overwatch is certainly more casual with less to learn for each character.
I think I appreciate tf2 more because of the progression I had as a player. I started out as a shitter who thought pyro was OP, developed skill, discovered rocket jumping/DM, and practiced in various servers until I got gud.
Right now I feel like I have everything I need to know about overwatch after playing for 10 minutes. Still going to buy it because I need an FPS to play.
i have 30 hours in overwatch and 1500 in tf2
overwatch is nowhere near tf2's depth, fucking pharah has literally zero air control and the game boils down to "deal damage so I can press q"
fun though
>>339317870
but your whore mum was
>>339317849
>9 years of love(even though it stopped being love a long time ago) and development is not comparable to this game that came out a week ago
oh really
i think it'll get there, i think it'll last
>>339317980
I doubt my mom got built in a day, shit like that takes month of hard dedication
>>339311802
yes.
>>339317923
you can't idle in overwatch though
>>339311802
This game has cute girls
Check mate
>>339317667
What am I even looking at? And why would I care? To me the term "TF2 Killer" is retarded because TF2 has been dead for half a decade now. There's nothing to kill. Overwatch is a fun game and the best class based shooter since the days TF2 was good, that's all I care about.
>>339317631
which? you obnoxious retard?
hanzo? hanzo gets outplayed by fucking widowmaker in ease use and damage output. even slightly better mobility because her grapple hook is way faster to use for escapes. this dude's trash only saved by his ult.
symmetra? her fucking base weapon is so shit you'd to have to ask what the developers giving a primary fire that requires her to get close and takes time to charge up on such a character with low health and shitty ass alt fire that pretty much useless except on the most retarded retarded of players that get hit by it. her only utilization is her teleporter which can be used on SOME maps.
junkrat is actually garbage at defending like most of the defense classes in this game outside of widowmaker. he's outdone by pharah for a characters that can mobility to get around the map with a AOE weapon and pushing crowds apart. he's just harder to aim with and slower. meanwhile nearly all the hitscan characters can take him on with ease. granted he's not flat out garbage like the other two.
>>339318051
Thank you, anon. This is the best.
>>339318610
Yeah, you're a scrub and have no idea what you're talking about.
>>339318565
>too stupid to read a graph
I'm not even surprised. I expected nothing more than an overwatch fanboy
>>339314986
>and a few am radio stations
>>339318795
>He posted a graph without labels
>He calls someone else stupid
>>339318795
I see the dates below and numbers on the right, you cropped out the part where the graph explains what those numbers refer to. That's usually a pretty important part in a chart, you stupid faggot. I bet it's something retarded that I have no reason for caring about.
>>339319014
>>339319098
The axis are both fully labelled.
>>339318795
Maybe if you showed the chart's label, he would know what you're talking about. I expected nothing more from a TF2 fanboy
![latest[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/gqX1XDr.jpg "latest[2].jpg")
>just got Junker D.VA from a box
Holy shit she's my main now. I love that mecha.
>>339311802
>20hz
>>339319209
It was heavily implied that we were talking about the playerbase. If you were too stupid to understand then that is entirely your fault
>>339313394
I do not understand the hostility regarding Overwatch. It's the only true contender to the golden years of TF2 and made me realise how much I missed that class-objective oriented FPS. I assume it's a price thing which I can empathise with (it's $70/$90 in Australia) but they managed to balance and distinguish 21 classes from each other versus TF2's 9. I think it's a pretty fine improvement. Although I feel the only class not worth playing is D.VA so more like 20 balanced heroes.
>>339317390
Junkrat is extremely powerful and should always get gold in damage done, and Hanzo is a monster at getting eliminations (also helps the fact that his arrows have crazy hitboxes). You're misguided if you think these projectile weapons don't make up in sheer damage.
Symmetra's projectiles are actually so slow they're beneficially as they can hit falling back, or large targets twice while being oriented to suppress or block enemies. Not to mention it goes through Reinhardt's shield and does a shitton of damage. underrated desu
>>339318610
Except widowmaker can't do shit at short and medium ranges. At long range 1v1 widowmaker has the advantage but it would come down to player skill.
It sounds like you played symmetra once and formed that opinion? In any case you don't know how to play so I suggest putting some hours in the game you're trying to criticise.
>>339319185
It is now that you posted the rest of the chart. You can't crop right and then blame it on others, your level of retardation sounds about right with someone who sticks to TF2 5 years after the game went to shit.
Overwatch and TF2 are very different TF2 is more rewarding of individual skill then OW but OW is more rewarding of team work
Depends on what kind of depth and game play style you like more as its not directly better or worse
>>339311802
Nope. As it stands now it's just a shallow, streamlined TF2 with half the personality.
Hey it's a cowboy! That's his character. That woman is a walking portal reference, that's her character. The dwarf? That's it.
>Want to play as Mercy
>Team too stupid and too shit to aim and kill
>>339319270
Tf2s netcode has already gone to shit due to it not being updated with all the taunts and hats
And you can turn it up in custom and roomers have it it will be 60 in competitive
>>339319440
You got a gun for a reason. Don't let people fuck with you.
>>339319284
GREAT! I SALUTE YOU!
>>339319320
Both pictures were literally the same. All that was missing was a giant title that was heavily implied already in the conversation.
It was obvious we were talking about the playerbase, sorry if overwatch babbies are too stupid to understand implied speech because they never go outside and instead jizz over anime
>>339314373
mei is bae
>>339314120
Holy shit, how many of these Overwatch memes are there? Every one I've seen has been funny
>>339315381
in all the right places
>>339319284
>Not doing the jet strike right after the hammer
>>339314120
That looks juicy... What I'd do to get a Tracer bomb in there
>>339318610
I have never said this before as an argument, but it sounds like you are just actually shit at the game considering all the characters are fine.
>>339319735
I was so surprised at what had just happened I didn't even think about it.
>>339313313
>>339313086
What is lol?
Lol does exactly what you guys say casuals will hate and is one of the most known and played games by casuals.
Jesus FUCKING christ what are these janitors doing.
How and why do these threads still exist? How is TF2 even remotely comparable to OW aside from the game types.
>>339319364
I never once though anyone was a walking portal reference, jesus that's really... interesting...
All they gotta do is nerf Lucio, McCree, and Mercy ult charge and it's gold
>>339317913
> what is Lucio wall jumping https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Or8Ralwjak
Also most of OW's depth comes from team work
>>339319531
This made me wonder, what happens if two reinharts encounter mid charge? Both stop like it was a wall?
>>339319335
YOU MEAN ITS A OPINION NO THIS IS /v/ ALL THINGS HAVE TO BE DIRECTLY BETTER OR WORSE OPINIONS DONT EXIST
>>339320104
It happened to me once. Whichever one charges first gets the charge.
>>339319335
>>339319959
Thank you
>>339319223
I think I'd actually play DVa if I got that one, it reminds me of Steambot Chronicles.
>>339320104
>>339320254
both of then fall on the floor
happened to me twice
>>339319364
>streamlined
what
>>339319984
>that music at the end
nice
>>339320104
both of them get stunned
It's a solid game sort of, but it lacks the things I liked that drew me from Quake to TF2 after I got bored of the former. Proper movement mechanics and being able to bounce enemies around with well placed directs.
It honestly feels closer to CS than to TF2, I don't like that rocket or nade directs send people horizontal more than vertical and the superiority of hitscan is apparent.
I'm probably not gonna play it very much more, not gonna quit it for it being bad because it's not really bad, but I just can't find the motivation to wanna play it.
So when are they gonna add a custom games dedicated kit to make this game the next great thing?
...they are going to, right guys?
>>339319506
I would rather just go 76 and use his E for healing and do more damage.
>>339313958
>Main downside of OW is no mods. If Blizz doesn't pump out new maps regularly it will start to get boring.
You say this as if the vast majority of games in other FPS's aren't all on one map (IE 2fort, DE_Dust, etc).
>>339321256
nobody seriously played on 2fort
>>339311802
It's a different experience.
I still prefer to play tf2 though.
I just feel less constrained playing tf2. Rocket jumping is fun
I'm already bored of the game. Gone back to TF2. More maps, more weapon diversity, larger emphasis on skill rather than IWIN buttons... kind of wondering why I even bought Overwatch desu,
>mfw blizzard expects a multiplayer fps with no community custom servers, LAN, or community maps will ever have legs in the long run
>>339319309
>Junkrat is extremely powerful and should always get gold in damage done
Yeah and? You do realize Pharah has almost the same damage potential with better mobility? Even if you tried just spamming grenades at your opponents in hopes of just doing damage with the AOE. If they have a healer you are going to feed their ult.
Hanzo is just complete trash. Hit detection is already lenient as fuck in this game. Why not just use the easier to play Widowmaker who already does more damage and drop 150 HP classes with bodyshots?
>Symmetra's projectiles are actually so slow they're beneficially as they can hit falling back, or large targets twice while being oriented to suppress or block enemies.
Granted this all a given. But Winston is way better at targeting opponents falling back when he can jetpack to them and disrupt attacks coming at him with his bubble shield to kill retreating opponents. Her weapon still is complete shit in direct combat and trying to Reinhardt with her alt fire while he has shield seems to be disregarding that Reinhardt can have his whole team fire back at her through it.
Though none of the supports really are meant for combat anyways. Nearly all of them can hold off opponents better than Symmetra. Because her teleporter is the only good thing about her and shield ability is just a waste to use for a small 25 shield boost.
>Except widowmaker can't do shit at short and medium ranges.
I've already seen good Widowmaker players enable their ultimate and drop whole teams. Widowmaker really is good at med range as long you pull headshots off. If somebody get close to your face you can use grapple hook to escape or AR does reasonably good damage to opponents. She will have trouble with offensive classes up close and Winston/Roadhog. But she can easily have an edge over the support and defensive classes.
So many things combined in TF2 to make it dead like it is today, it's pretty sad because I still like the game but I can't DENY I'm having a better time with Overwatch.
TF2's death sentence started with F2P, it brought in some many shitters and 9 year olds that most of the servers became plagued with plain bad players. I'm not saying this like I'm a great TF2 player, I'm not, but it's amazing how stupid and annoying people are on pubs. "Friendlies" are the worst players on planet Earth. They're worse than Hitler because even Hitler knew when to kill himself.
Besides the community being shit, Valve really dropped the ball with this dry spell of updates. The last update for TF2 that added weapons was a year and a half ago. People got excited with the gun mettle changes, but that amounted to nothing as the Invasion update was literally nothing but some reskins and a few maps, and Spy v Engi just doesn't have any indication of happening.
It sucks because I love TF2, I have a lot of history with the game, it just sucks how Valve stopped giving a shit because they got enough money out of not making games to just stop caring.
baka desu senpai
>>339314482
this is pretty great
>>339311802
hahahahahahahahaha TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN TUMBLING DOWN
>>339315662
It's the community that's shit now. The hats help encourage it to stay that way.
>>339323301
all those falseflaggers...
>>339314482
>OW has personality
Really? Most of the characters are really fucking bland IMO. And it's weird saying 'OW has personality' when TF2's character personalities are pretty much a forerunner for Overwatch. All the taunts and voice lines in TF2 are wholesale copied in Overwatch. TF2 has stuff like conga lines anyway which are basically better than every emote in OW.
If you want to see a difference in personality just compare how sterile and by-the-numbers the Overwatch shorts are compared to the 'Meet The' trailers.
>>339323301
most of the people giving it a 0 are butthurt tf2 kids, i love tf2 but that shit is petty. you should need proof you played a game to give it a score
>>339314105
It's ok, wipe the tears and move on
>cuckwatch
lol
I don't really get the hate for new TF2, I played since Orange Box and it is still good to screw around. Not sure why you would be bothered with hats, though the combination of items you can have at this point makes the game a bit "bloated". Haven't played Overmeme, but the characters look like generic shit designed to appeal to a demographic, kind of like LoL heroes. Whereas TF2 classes are just fun.
Plus TF2 is actually a PC game and heavily moddable.
I hope Valve will make TF3 and that it will be as good as TF2. The only sad thing is microtransaction cancer, but at least getting weapons in TF2 is still easy with achievements and trading.
Does anyone has the picture of the 6 bastions and someone calling then cowards?
low skill ceiling "everyones a winner" dialogue/approach and 6v6 and 20 tick
how you even make an even more casual tf2 i dont even know
its insulting, and no tiertary mechanics like rocket jumping or wallwalking/walljumping or other shit than "heh jetpacks"
shitters gonna lap this shit up
is there a better pair in all of Overwatch than Pharah and Zarya?
>>339316943
>cuck
>quite literally playing a game that desperately wants to fuck another game
Alright m8
By all rights Overwatch should be another Battlefront, but since Blizzard is behind it and they have possibly the most toxic fanbase in the world it will flourish for at least a year and then settle into a self-sustaining hardcore player base that will mean we have to deal with shitty memes until at least 2022.
>>339319565
Not with your tumblr art she's not. Like seriously, why are all of the noses so damn big and red. Those nostrils looks like they can fit two fingers up there
>>339324127
Does PotG ever do it with two people or is that edited?
>>339319959
Fuck KF2
>>339324127
that Hanzo got cucked
>>339324314
edited
would be sweet if PotG was smart enough to know when synergy was happening
>>339324314
Pharah is POTG, Zarya is just a highlight (played from the main menu), so it's edited.
>mfw i played tfc, fortress forever, and tf2 in beta
>mfw i hadn't played tf2 since 2011
>get hyped for overwatch
>the more i see/play the less hyped i get
>discover muselk's tf2 videos
>get back into tf2
>having way more fun than i did in overwatch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHYFJF161QI
>>339324450
http://tf2classic.com/
>>339324223
It's the Hearthstone of card gaming. Everybody who knows anything about card gaming will tell you it sucks shit but Hearthstone will always keep on going.
>>339322717
>spamming grenades to do damage to feed their ultimate
That argument applies to any damage dealing class. Some are just better at eliminations than others. Genji I suppose, but Junkrat is one of the kings at damage dealing.
>Why not just play Widowmaker
Because as I've previously mentioned she cannot play offensively. She will die at medium or short ranges against any decent player. I hate snipers but I've seen some Hanzo players become great assets to a team.
I agree symmetra is pretty bad close range. Especially against 200hp + enemies.
As an aside, people use soundbites like "shallow", "depth" and "skill ceiling" to defend TF2 but you cannot have conversations like this about that game unless you want to talk about HP and movement speed which is one of the few major things that separate TF2's classes.
>m-muh rocket jumpinguse a script like you can with any source game
I have way too many hats invested to just play another game even though Overwatch is better.
>>339324623
Exactly my point. Blizzard have fans so loyal that slapping the Blizzard logo on a diet lite version of a genre is guaranteed to make money.
I'm a little envious honestly, they really know how to wring the dollars out of their captive audience and I wish I could get in on it.
>>339312886
>press Q to get kills
>for a class that revives
What
>>339324887
Are we twins??
I want to get this game but i can't bring myself to do it.
>>339324887
poor randyjust kidding, fuck that loser
>>339324389
I think that's the best part, just watching the dragon float by
>>339315598
>Mom is poor and couldn't get me overwatch please stop talking about it maaaaaan
>>339311802
not really.
Shooter with MOBA abilities.
I really dislike this trend.
Also why does every class based shooter actually scales back on the player per match?
TF2 offered you a 12v12 and for some it wasn't enough increasing it to 16v16.
Now it's always 6v6. YOU ARE MOVING AT THE WRONG DIRECTION, NUMBNUTS!!!
>>339314986
>racist, Russian, bodybuilder
>tumblerone
Pick one
>no community servers
>no custom maps
>12 players (lol) max
>arbitrary cooldowns to keep you from having too much fun too fast
>nogoldrush
>better than TF2?????
>>339311802
Overwatch is a shitty meme game and is getting ridiculous amount of viral marketing. I don't fucking get it
I'm gonna go with "...?"
>>339325595
even my normalfag sister is playing the game on my bnet account. she has never played an fps in her life and when i got her dragon age inquisition after asking me for it for months she only played the prologue because she kept dying.
how the fuck does blizzard appeal to this kind of person?
I seriously haven't been this excited and entralled by a fps in forever. The game has a ton of personality and it's very easy to pickup.
I'll use the curse word on /v/ and call it FUN.
>>339311802
I find Overwatch much more fun to play than TF2. but both are fine.
you know... you can play both.
>>339319643
a lot
>>339326567
>>339326672
>Shills aren't real
>You're delusional
>People can just talk about games they like
Well here you have it folks, pure shilling. Deny it now.
>>339324127
Anyone is good paired with Zarya. Pharah actually less so since they can't work together outside of ults.
Zarya works the best holding the frontline with a healer and some other aggressive character.
>>339324127
>Not shielding vulnerable justice
>>339327157
it's fine to call everyone that disagrees with you a shill.
I'm just not a tf2 player and I can honestly say I cannot compare the two with the limited amount of time I've played it.
tf2 obviously has it's fans and has been going strong for many years. I don't berate those who prefer something over another.
>>339327650
good point
got caught up in the heat of the moment
>>339325546
12 max is great, retards cant just get carried while running around being useless as a spy
>>339319284Connor?
>>339327531
so someone like 76? he would get some of the same benefit from graviton, though that might defeat the purpose of his visor. plus he can stand there all day getting shields
>>339324067
>and no tiertary mechanics like rocket jumping or wallwalking/walljumping or other shit than "heh jetpacks"
The beta was free. You could have tried it out atleast before spouting off this bullshit.
>>339324450
You'll get tired of Muselk. He's overly animated in a fake way. It bugged me so much that I just quit watching.
>>339313394
Should have e'd the mercy prior to swing. Generate more meter that way.
>>339314327
>mfw reinhardt thinks he's being a clever motherfucker by putting shield up in front of and I throw flashbang over his shield and double fan the cunt
no
it won't be able to hold onto a player base.
the playerbase will also be smaller since you have to buy the game.
they went with the hero system instead of the weapon loadout system. this means balancing is alot harder since you have to nerf specific aspects of each character and alot of characters play off of eachother. if you nerf a weapon the class is still useful you just have to use a different weapon, if you nerf a character then the character is useless and you have to play a different character. this creates problem when a counter is nerfed and then nobody wants to play another characters counter
players will eventually get bored of playing the same characters and want new characters or leave. a character takes way longer to make than a weapon.
why am I even typing this out. half of /v/ has fallen for the hype train and will dismiss any criticism as "hurr you're just salty gb2 battleburn"
in a month the hype will die down and the only overwatch threads left will be waifu circle jerks
>>339311802
Its worse. Gameplay more shallow and more slow
>when 1/6 of your team is garbage
>>339330347
That's a lot of dumb conjecture. A weapon loadout system is exactly what made TF2 a clusterfuck of balance.
>Overwatch thread
>Healslut gif hasn't been posted
>>339311802
id say its better than tf2
but thats only because i hate tf2
its not very good at all, 7/10 AT BEST
>>339311802
>playing a kids game
TF2 is so much better, because it's a great FPS where skill is required
>>339316943
>defending Sjwwatch
Go back and help your wifes' son
It's worse than TF2 but some of us have over 2000 hours in that game so it'll do.
>>339332417
> where skill is required
>>339318795
Gabe, you can leave.
>>339311802
It's literally TF2 reskinned. It isn't better or worse. It's just the same generic garbage that you retards keep buying while simultaneously killing video games.
>>339319185
What's the source? Is this blizzard? No? Also consider the game is on consoles as well. That game is FAR from dead, idiot
>>339320662
A small touch, but so good
