What unfortunately went wrong?
>>339263638
>implying the wii u wasn't dead 2 years ago
>>339263743
>dead 2yrs ago
>2014
>best year for wii U
>the year they saw profits
>worst year
>wii U GOAT games came out in 2014
>dead on arrival
I think nintendo has been shit for 15yrs now, but even I know that they made some decent decisions in '14-'15 that at least kept their heads above water.
>>339263638
popularity of the dreamcast with the gimmicks of the wii
No third party support
Shit barely any first party support
Didn't produce the standard shit people were asking for (proper 3D Mario, Zelda has been i development Hell and is being ported to the U's successor console anyway)
The "console seller" (Smash) was also released on a handheld and most people just got that.
Retarded marketing team came up with a retarded name. Normies thought the U was just an upgraded Wii or the pad.
Did I mention no support?
>>339263638
Turns out people want more than Mario rehashes.
>>339263638
Worst marketing ever for a home console.still managed to actually get great games, though
>>339264117
>proper 3D Mario
Fuck you, 3D World counts just as much as SMG2 counts.
>>339264089
>popularity of the wii with the gimmicks of the dreamcast
Oh my, it's a paradox.
>>339264226
I loved 3D World, but people wanted a 64/Sunshine or a Galaxy.
>>339264292
Have you actually played 3D World? It plays like SMG2 for the most part, just without the antigrav gimmick
lack of third party support
>>339264648
Again, Nintendo is hardly supporting it either.
Their big holiday release is going to be fucking Color Splash.
>>339264389
I have and the other anon was correct. I didn't want a fucking 3D sidescroller that used a bunch of other characters to justify playing through them more than once.
Still waiting for another Sunshine-esque game with one large hub world divided into smaller worlds to explore.
>>339263638
they lost their monopoly back in 1988 and never learned why they have been losing ground and money
>>339263638
So much of it was literally down to the name.
game droughts
underpowered
PS4 and Xbone one year later
third parties tried but games didn't sell, they abandoned it
gamepad gimmick
E3 2011 reveal trailer, seriously just go watch that shit
the real problem was that damn tablet, it seems to me the original idea was likely that you would be able to play your games on your own tablet but that was scrapped in favor of something far less interesting.
>>339265559
It was nice for games that bothered to use it. Pikmin 3, XBX and FrontierNav, and I expect Zelda to be a cool FrontierNav / Inventory hybrid.
>>339265559
Nope.
They literally used it for it's intention. If you think anything else, you're retarded.
They definitely lacked on the 4v1 games though.
>>339266131
no one cares about the wiiu because we are not 10 years old or some clueless parent ruining a childhood by making them a fool for not having a PC
>>339266131
Look at the time post.
The nintendo post is literally a copypasta of the sony thread. That's why it got deleted.
Copying+Pasting+Changing one world=massive shitpost
Also, unfortunately, you're not helping your own situation.
No support, not even Nintendo believed in it anymore.
>>339263638
Nintendo didn't have a casual fanbase at the end of the Wii's lifetime and the Wii U was catered to the casual Nintendo market which didn't exist. It isn't even underpowered hardware, they just didn't care. Star Fox and Donkey Kong are the only games that catered to a hardcore fanbase and SF was complete dog shit. If they made more great games like Donkey Kong TF, the Wii U would have been much better.
>>339266242
well then it was a dumb idea, its not something that sells games quite the contrary in fact. It also keeps the cost of the console high.
>>339266131
Stop using Nintendo as your scapegoat you autistic retarded sony dipshit faggot.
Have you SEEN all the Overwatch and (anti)BattleBorn threads?
/v/ has and always will be a PC board. This is why Sony threads always gets shitted on, because it's the most popular console on /v/.
I'm actually looking forward picking one up once it gets no support anymore/is easily hackable.
>mfw there are more games on the Wii U I want to play than the PS4 and XBonesame fucking thingcombined
Why does this gen suck so badly?
It didn't pander to casuals.
>>339266735
sounds like you need a PC, all those games and more are playable on a PC in full HD and more frames than your eyes can handle.
No games.
>>339263638
Marketing/sales
It had a good amount of decent games and that's all I can ask.
Honestly nintendo should have just stuck with it until 9th gen.
Nintendo is arrogant and thinks they can just keep slapping gimmicks onto underpowered consoles and keep the same sales they had from the Wii.
developers don't want to waste time with pointless gimmicks on low powered consoles, game development is difficult enough as it is
>>339263638
Still a bigger lifecycle than the ps4 and the xbone. Enjoy buying your next gen only after 3 years.
>>339266402
Sure, thats the reason.
>>339263638
>nintendo will die in your lifetime
life is good
>>339267021
the NX comes out this year, and the other consoles are just getting an update like the slim versions of the last gen
if you don't want to deal with these you should get a PC, and you will be set for life
name
marketing
not enough games
>>339263638
>Nintendo gave third parties a chance and let them talke the wheel for launch, which 3rd parties fucked up on by releasing shotty 3 year old ports of games everyone already played
>Nintendo trusting 3rd parties in general, and not just coming out with a killer app/really good game so that 3rd parties would be forced to make games for their systems.
>Marketing budget was ass and it shows
Pretty much the main problems and with these problems, the WiiU just couldn't pick up steam.
>>339267167
The NX is announced for 2017, but yeah this year...
The ps4k is 2 times more powerful than the ps4 and the xbone-two is 4 times more powerful than the xbone, but yeah it is just a slim version. JUST
>>339266864
it did, it just failed
the tablet controller was obviously made for casuals, but no one wanted it
>>339267021
> Still a bigger lifecycle than the ps4 and the xbone
Uh
How?
>>339263638
You mean "2017"? That's the year of Wii U's last game and the launch of NX.
>>339267396
wait for e3. ps4k and xbone-two are coming in 2017
>>339266735
Because Sony has no competition this generation. Plus with the PS4k and Xbox One-Two on the horizon it's just gonna get worse.
>>339263638
sheer lack of advertising
I'm a pretty hardcore Nintendo fan, but I have no problem admitting they were too over-reliant on the brand recognition of the Wii, probably what led to the decision to incorporate Wii in it's name.
if they just called it something different, and advertised it properly, it probably would have moved a lot more units, at least if it had that same charm going in the Wii's advertising did.
>>339267315
Ah yes these random numbers you pulled out of your ass. Even at 2 times the performance the PS4 couldn't do 4K, it'll all be multimedia focused shite, nothing for videogames. Doubt anyone is as stupid as to repeat the Nintendo DS wankery.
>>339264117
The COMPLETE lack of third party support feels like a sick joke. You're telling me they couldn't get SFV to run? That game doesn't even look that good.
>>339267445
PS4k is like new 3DS
it's not a new console, just a slightly more powerful version of an existing console
Bad launch selection coupled with initially poor marketing and a dumb name.
>>339267605
Probably just for vr shit
>>339266945
>It had a good amount of decent games and that's all I can ask.
It had but they were spaced out too far. Should have had 50% of them ready at launch
>>339267605
sorta, hopefully it just ends up a 'harmless' upgrade, focused mainly on 4k DVD playback.
>>339264117
don't forget they're still 10 years behind when it comes to embracing online play.
can't online co-op on mario party, mario platformers, or half of the other games that are designed to be played with multiple people and what few games do actually have online play don't let you talk to other people because nintendo is afraid of children's minds being tainted by the outside world.
>>339267524
The numbers come straight out of the leaks which have come from multiple sources, so they are pretty much confirmed.
The xbone can go up to 1.3 teraflops , the one-two 6 teraflops, the ps4 1.8 teraflops and the ps4k 5 teraflops. Yea, just a slim version guys.
Can't wait for you butt devastation this E3.
Gimmick garbage and no third party support
Pretty much everything went wrong. The console concept itself is flawed, for the technology it was it launched too late and should have came out at least a year before it did, unimpressive launch line up, horrible software droughts with no third party support, and even Nintendo's own releases regressing in quality as time went on. Top it off with shit marketing and a high price point for the tech and it never stood a chance.
>>339267605
2.5 times more powerful is not slightly friend. You are just falling for the early damage control. The ps4 will be obsolete in 2018 and games will no longer be required to run on both ps4 and ps4neo by then.
>PS1 was a CD player that also played games
>PS2 was a DVD player that also played games
>PS3 was a Blu-Ray player that also played games
>people still think Sony is actually trying to make the PS4K actually play games in 4K and not just movies
>>339267926
What are some examples of uncensored games on ps4?
>>339267876
It will be hilarious if they dont even mention them
>T-they are real just just just fucking sonyggers
>>339268056
The denial is strong in this one
>>339263638
Honeymoon for gimmick controls was over and gamers wanted a divorce and Nintendo was too oblivious to realize it.
The sad thing is they probably still don't realize this and will try the motion controls meme again (or something equally stupid) with the NX. Maybe if NX has really affordable VR (since that seems to be the newest drunk Vegas wedding with gamers) they could pull another Wii and sell a shitty gimmick to a bunch of suckers who will get tired of it after a year again, but I doubt it will be that.
is nintendo even /v/ anymore? they have gone so far out of their way to alienate their base and avoid money that they are floundering on the verge of death.
The fools that call themselves fans don't need to leave, just moved into the /vr/ trash bin
>>339263638
Nothing went wrong.
Everything continued its predicted course.
"Sony always wins, baby!!" is not just a meme
I don't know how anyone thought WiiU would change nintendo's tendencies that have happened ever since the N64 era.
>>339268054
Oneechanbara z2 chaos
Senran kagura estival versus
Star ocean >inb4 "her panties were changed in the jap version!"
>>339267208
this.
...and that the games dont lower in price gradually.
Mine has been gathering dust for months.
>>339268167
>/vr/
>trash
It's a better board than /v/.
>>339267208
Also it is still very expensive
>>339266864
lol no
It pandered even harder than the original Wii. Nintendo just didn't stop to ponder what exactly the term "casual" implied, and someone whose interest in the medium was fleeting at best is not going to invest 400 USD every 5 years
The funniest part of all this is Iwata's comments concerning DLC which to paraphrase he said short term profits aren't as valuable as the trust of the consumers. Meanwhile Iwata forced the company down the narrow road of low-budget shovelware and underpowered hardware. I'm glad the fucking gook is dead
>>339267876
>posting theoretical performance
>for consoles
What the fuck am I reading.
Anyway if they were to put in beefier APUs it's gonna cost you a lot more than last time, unless Microsoft and Sony both decide they want to sell their toys at a $200 loss. None of this sounds plausible.
>>339263638
Nintendo stopped giving a shit about it's IPs for whatever reason. I honest to god wish the rehash meme were true. Because then at least we'd have an F-Zero or Metroid to play.
Why can't we just get another Gamecube? Good name, good logo, good design, good controller, good games, no gimmicks. Why is this too much to ask?
THE CASUAL AUDIENCE FROM 2006 IS GONE, MIYAMOTO. GIVE UP.
>>339263638
They launched the Wii to appeal cancer type of players. It was a success.
After that result they thought "wow, look how many fans we have! we can do anything". So, they tried to appeal cancerbase again with Wii U. Too bad they didnt realise wii players were people who follow trends. Once the "new thing" pass... they dont care and since they are not loyal customer you cant rely on them.
>>339268054
Here is a T-rated sony game.
It also has fully 3D rendered exposed female nipples, animal cruelty, rape attempts, and more.
Enjoy your "but a breast slider would make it M-rated" bullshit excuses
>>339268376
Nintendo shoves off old dead IPs to another department of nintendo, that department seems to not give a shit and makes squid games that bomb harder than the virtualboy and not give what the players want
>>339268171
>>339263638
We need another video game crash.
The market need to shift to PC once again, with no more consoles, even handhelds.
Even if it means W10 and android as the only gaming OS avaiable.
>>339265209
>1988
The Wii was very successful and made a lot of money, not to mention all their other consoles and handhelds before that. Way to oversimplify things, retard.
>>339268393
>good controller
No
>b-but the shoulder buttons!
They're shit too, they take too much force to press down all the way so you can't really press them as quickly as a normal button.
>>339268538
Whoa senpai, is that Disgea?
>>339268393
Not special snowflake enough. Then they would have to actually focus on games.
>>339264389
3d world isnt a real mario 3d game. The acrobatics and levels are what made 3d mario so fun. 3d world is just a generic 3d platformee
Personally, I found it to be rather expensive.
Here inBrazilis was more expensive than a bone or ps4
I was dying to play Bayo2 but still havent
>>339267802
>can't online co-op on mario party, mario platformers, or half of the other games that are designed to be played with multiple people
They've said this a few times: "We believe those kind of games are more fun playing with people around you and not online"
So instead of giving you the option, they simply don't care and force you to have friends close to you to play.
>>339268538
I want to sleep tight in those puppers
>>339268653
>Generic 3D platfomer
There's not even remotely enough 3D platformers at this point to have a generic base to begin with.
>>339263638
Dunno, but nintendo.... never again
>>339268538
>animal cruelty
...like every game?
>>339267998
>The ps4 will be obsolete in 2018
It better be.
As much as I like my PS4, I don't want I don't want sony to drag this generation like they did with the PS3.
Friendly reminder that the PS4 was released in November 2013.
5 year life cycle is more than good enough.
>>339268579
the wii was a fluke, a lightening strike, the wiiu was an attempt to keep it going but all it did was burn all the money they made in that seven years in just two, and now they are so near death they are desperately clinging to anything and everything, further pushing their fans away and sealing their fates.
they didn't go down in a blaze of glory like Konami did, they died with a whimper like SEGA
>>339264009
>but even I know that they made some decent decisions in '14-'15 that at least kept their heads above water.
Then you're a retard because that doesn't reflect reality or the facts.
The Wii U failed as a competitor because of marketing and a misunderstanding of the gaming market and what gamers (sadly) want nowadays; however Nintendo as an entity was never at any risk of "going under" as you insinuate. They've been awash in cash since the Wii era and the money lost on the Wii U was eventually recouped once it began turning profits two years ago.
And judging by how much fun their devs seem to be having working with HD and the general quality of many of their games lately, I'd say some of Nintendo's best years are still ahead.
So don't be glum, anon! The industry is always a better place with Nintendo around. Even if you dislike them, I'd hate to see what happens to this hobby without the goofy, playful company.
>>339263638
Marketing. I didnt even know the Wii U was a thing until after it was released. It took me by a major surprise.
That being said, I do own one and i like it alot.
>>339268572
I dunno if a new crash would be a good thing.
Outside of indie shovelware, PC gaming is (unfortunately) more or less subsidized by consoles. I can't really think of many big budget PC titles that don't have some kind of console port that makes up the majority of the title's sales. They also just tried that with XCOM 2 and it didn't really work.
If there was a crash big budget games would probably completely die off and mobile would be in the best position to become the primary gaming platform for normies. As shit as consoles can be, fucking phones are 1000 times worse.
>>339268632
no, Witch & the Hundred Knight
>>339268572
Gaming wouldn't survive on PC alone. Devs need actual money spenders, not just Steam discount scalpers.
AAA industry would be all but gone. medium sized (AA) devs would veer off to only making what is most profitable on PC, microtransactions, from MOBAs to F2P MMOs, to games with markets like CS:GO/TF2.
And there would be even more cancerous EarlyAccess and Kickstarter reliant games.
You need consoles no matter how much you hate them. Without them you couldn't run Witcher3 at glorious 4k 90fps because it wouldn't exist in the first place.
>>339268927
every T-rated game?
I don't know man, they censored FE or BD (can't recall which) for that reason alone. There was a dialog that was completely replaced where a dog was about to get killed to end his pain, no visuals or anything, just the dialog was enough to warrant censorship
>>339267575
Nintendo left an opening for third parties to show off their products and get some sales.
You know what happened? The third parties completely let Nintendo down, didn't release anything or released shit, and then they had the absolute gall to level complaints at Nintendo because Nintendo games were hard to compete with due to their quality.
Nintendo is fucking fine. They should keep doing their thing. The third parties need to remove their heads from their asses.
>Wii U pros
Literally more exclusives that PS4 and Xbone combined
Free online
Pro controller is fantastic, with GOAT battery life
Wii mode is still fully hackable, and you can play Gamecube games through Nintendon't
You can mod/pirate Wii U games if you're on the correct firmware
>Wii U cons
Literally no third party support
Forced gimmick main controller with shit battery life
Censorship
Most games are either 720p60 or 1080p30 due to using last gen hardware
Amiibo paywall for bonus content in a lot of games
Rehashes
That being said, I'm absolutely happy with my Wii U. PC+Wii U is the correct way to go this gen. And maybe a PS4 if you really really wanna play Bloodborne or Disgaea 5.
The tablet pad for sure
They focused the marketing on it, people thought it was just the pad rather than an actual console.
Also it didnt increment anything on the games, felt really backwards since tablets had been around for years, and it was an expense that could have been used on better hardware for the actual console.
>>339269135
It was just a joke on how you kill animals in so many games.
>>339268954
>blaze of glory
>silent Hill pachinko
>>339269183
I'll be the first to agree that Nintendo marketed poorly.
But I also wanna say that the general public are retards. Come the fuck on. You couldn't figure out the Wii versus the Wii U? Are you really that dumb? How about you just read a sentence or two?
The part of me that lives in the real world understands that people don't follow along and Nintendo needed to do better.
But the part of me that lives in the real world understands that most people are hopeless fucks that need to be spoonfed everything.
>>339269135
Is it worth buying the PS4 re-release of Witch & the Hundred Knight? Did they add anything good?
>>339267575
SF5 didn't go on Nintendo because Sony paid for it.
It's like the Bayonetta 2 thing with Nintendo.
Lackluster games. When the best game on your entire console is a port of Bayonetta you've got problems.
>"Dude, what if Sony bought Nintendo"
>- "That will never happen"
Is it possible to realistically consider this possibility now
>>339263638
the stupid fucking controller
>>339269114
Problem solved.
>>339269510
no one would ever buy nintendo, all the debt they stacked up would sink even Microsoft
>>339269172
Oh yeah, I guess add "small internal storage" under cons. I'm a physicalfag that'll only buy digital if it's a digital exclusive, and 32GB is still not enough.
>>339269510
Nope. Sony has enough problems on their own. If anything it would be Sony's gaming division being spun off and both it and Nintendo being bought up by a pachinko conglomerate like Sega was.
>>339269448
Sounds like Nintendo made the better investment to me.
>>339269690
Bayonetta 2 made a lot less sales so if we're talking business then no.I still liked it thoughSF5 also
>>339268393
>Why can't we just get another Gamecube?
Greed.
>>339269410
The WiiU, much like the Wii, was primary aimed at children their parents
This isnt a Nvidia card where you advertise numbers and all the public youre aiming will understand.
They fucked up big time, and I dare say that even if the marketing was spot on, it would still have struggled, because the gimmicks it offered were just not fun (even the Wii Remote got boring quick back then), and the console wasnt powerful enough/had enough of the popular third party games to warrant its price.
>console is weaker than other two
>people still questioned why games didn't come to wii u
you'd have to be wii tier in sales to ever get a company to waste their time dealing with downgrading so much.
>>339269448
Im pretty sure SF5 being only on PS4/PC was a Capcom choice rather than being bought by Sony.
Sony just saw the potential for more sales if it helped it with advertisement. Which was their only part in it.
>>339263638
no gaems
shit hardware
shit third party support
>>339269609
Nintendo's debt?
Did you see the report from the last investor's meeting? Are you even living on the same planet as the rest of us?
First, Nintendo isn't being bought because Nintendo has no reason to sell.
Second, Nintendo is running a surplus and is able to cover all operating expenses. The only exceptions were 2012 and 2014. Non-consistent years of losses surrounded by decades of profits and then a rapid return to profit usually doesn't mean the world is ending.
>>339269793
But dont you think it would have been better if it was multiplat?
I understand that the game wouldnt exist if Nintendo didnt fund it but I cant help but feel it was really wasted being a fucking WiiU exclusive.
>>339269895
Dude even if the marketing was sound, they still would have had problems.
Moreover, I'm not going to make excuses for the retarded public. I hope the niggers get over the wall soon and kill us. Our culture deserves to sleep with the flow of time.
HOOOOOON
>>339270168
>Wii U no gaems meme
I'll grant you that it has no third party multiplats. But if you want to play those, get a PC. In terms of exclusives, the Wii U has more than PS4 and Xbone combined.
>>339270092
>Explaining why the console of choice was PlayStation 4, Ono said that Sony was able to provide Capcom with the technological support and advice that it needed to make things work.
> Ultimately, the support we were able to get – not just in terms of community building support, but also technological support and advice – Sony was able to provide to us. It’s really helped us achieve that goal. It’s all on one place and it’s one community and everyone can play together.
They also stated that Sony helped develop the game and the additional content as well.
Sony got partial exclusivity rights and the PC release was probably Capcom.
It was NOT just advertisement help, Capcom literally had no money for SF5 because of all the bad decisions they made the past several years.
>>339269793
I imagine it wouldve atleast gotten a million more sales if it were multiplat, but Nintendo and their pride n all
>>339263638
I never got one because the games apparently never drop in price.
I usually buy consoles like two or three years down the road when I can pick up good games for like $20, but with Wii U the prices only go up.
I'll just wait for Cemu at this point. It's not very far off.
>>339269423
They added a few new modes, including playing as the Witch herself (works like a godmode powerup). Read up somewhere else for the complete list of new stuff.
Most importantly it doesn't have the console crashing/damaging bug the PS3 version had. runs at 1080p/60fps like 99% of other Vita/PS3 games.
So yes, I'd say it's worth. It was 50% off some time ago, not sure if the promotion is still going
>>339263638
Worst of all.
Game quality in the majority of their series went down several times.
Pikmin 3 was as good as its precedessors
3D world was as good as its precedessors
Animal Crossing became total grbage
NSMBU was just a lazy attempt for another 2d mrio game
XCX wasnt as good as XC
Game & Wario was straight up trash
MP10 was straight up trash and an insult to the earlier entries of the series
The best they could do with Zelda were cheap low bugdet ports of old games for Premium price.
Fire emblem became otaku pandering idolshit.
And a big part of funded 3rd party games turned out total garbage, e.g. devils third, sonic boom.
In short for anybody who owns a way to play NES or SNES or N64 or GC or Wii games and installments of the franchises on these platforms, there is 0 reason to buy a wii u for worse successors.
On top of the wii u dosent have a single game that could be called essential/ 10/10 /must have/potential game of the generation.
Overal the wii u is the most forgetable experience in hiatory of nintendo platforms, and will only be remembered as the thing that killed their CEO.
>>339270563
Yup. The prices almost never drop. All I own is Xenoblade x and sadly, twilight princess hd. Also had smash bros but sold that since I was getting a great deal
Refuse to pay full price for any of their shenanigans
>>339270238
Bayonetta 2 being wasted is not really the fault of Platinum, that's entirely on Nintendo having such a shitty console.
The quality of the game would remain the same regardless of console it was on.
I went through this with Ys Celceta as well.
The only thing I can hold against Ys Celceta and Bayonetta 2 is that they are stuck on shitty platforms.
>>339264987
>wanting to have to play through the same levels over and over with a slightly different location to grab the star
Shit taste.
Another explorative Mario would be great but I don't feel the way they handle level design in them is nearly as good as the more linear level formats.
>>339268653
>3d world isnt a real mario 3d game
I'm sorry to spoil this for you, but it literally is a "real" 3D Mario. Just because it's not got much in the way of open levels and (forced) exploration doesn't invalidate is as a 3D Mario platformer, and an excellent one at that.
>>339263638
>some really good first party shit
>but also some really trash first party shit
>they spent two years hyping up mario maker and wooly world. They aren't bad but still
>trash ports of current gen third party games
The Wii and Wii U are side consoles. You get them in addition to something else or having a decent PC
Nintendo needs to make their consoles legit competitors. Not boxes that will be left out from most multi-plat releases. The NX needs to be able to run the big casual sellers like Fallout or whatever. Then they need to put more work into first party games. I love kirby and yoshi and all the platformers but it's not enough to sell a console.
>>339270180
Not him but nintendo is way worse of than you think.
In the last 3 years they burned down 5-7 billion usd (50-60% of their cash reserves piled up for 20) and they only have like 4,5 billion $ left on their bank.
They are far from being able to cover what they spend for much longer, which is exactly why they rush out a new console, movies, mobile games, merchandise in an desperate attempt
>>339266864
Actually, it did. The problem was that the casuals didn't care about Nintendo and their core audience was pissed at the company and/or didn't care about them. That was the biggest issue with the WiiU. Nintendo didn't have an audience to pander to.
>>339270672
>devil's third
>garbage
It's definitely not worthy of any GOTY nominations or anything, but it was pretty solid with fun online. The only thing that was absolute shit was the presentation. Kinda like how all the reviewers hated God Hand for it's lackluster presentation.
>On top of the wii u dosent have a single game that could be called essential/ 10/10 /must have/potential game of the generation.
>what is Bayonetta 2
>what is The Wonderful 101
The Wii-U has a nice enough selection of games but nothing truly console worthy. I have a nice enough selection of games but not one of them I look at and thing "GOTY" and that's entierly down to Nintendo. They never pushed for games, they did the usual shit and thought it would sell on brand recognition alone. That tactic may work for PS4 but that's only because it's "powerful" and can multitask a bunch of shit, stuff that draws in normies like no tomorrow.
Nintendo fucked up, refuses to admit they fucked up, and are going to do it all over again with the NX.
>>339268597
This picture arouses me.
>>339271149
Source?
I don't see them burning in their financial briefings
>>339271318
Devilsturdis a pretty bad game
>>339268393
>Why can't we just get another Gamecube? Good name, good logo, good design, good controller, good games, no gimmicks
UMMM ACTUALLY NINTENDO ALWAYS DOES THEIR OWN THING YOU SONYGGER SHUT UP WII AND WIIU ARE GREAT YOU ARE NOT A REAL GAMER!
>>339271318
>but its fun if you play it with friends
The gameplay is still shit and nothing will ever change that.
>>339268639
>Miyamoto-san, YakuzaCEO-san, we need a good console
>Hmm. You make screen on controller and you can take it with to make shit in toilet
>We did that. We need to make a good console with good games
>We make pad that you dance on to play game
>Bu-
>And dance pad have screen on it
>That would take up way too much-
>Listen to senior management!
RIP nintendo. Best to pretend they dont exist before they stop making consoles and start whoring the IPs out in a decade. Thank god for emulators and backlogs.
>>339268393
>>339268639
>>339269818
>>339271481
I honestly don't understand why the Gamecube is heralded on /v/ as if it was the definitive Nintendo console. It has some decent multiplats, especially given how dominating the PS2 was, but a lot of its first party lineup is mediocre and largely forgotten except for Melee and the 2 Zelda games. The controller is also absolutely horrific, especially for multiplats.
>>339271713
Don't be retarded, please.
>>339271795
>I honestly don't understand why the Gamecube is heralded on /v/ as if it was the definitive Nintendo console.
Because it's the console that most of /v/ played as kids.
>>339271795
Mostly because it had Melee and the next Nintendo consoles turned out to be absolute shit.
>>339271812
I bought their shit console and I've realized that these 5 years without great nintendo games wasn't so bad. It's easy to look back and enjoy the old nintendo while the new one transforms into a steaming pile of shit. The only way theyre going to make any money is if they sell out. Abandon ship.
>>339272015
That actually makes a lot of sense. Whilst it's not a bad console by any means it's still pretty sad.
>>339272075
I know it's not a popular opinion but I don't feel the Wii U is shit, just underwhelmingly weak and lacking in support. I enjoyed a good lump if the games a lot, at least. The Wii, on the other hand, I'm struggling to think of more than maybe 3 essential games.
![zx.tenchi.mihoshi-special.ova.divx51.ogm_snapshot_02.34_[2016.05.27_12.00.04].png](https://i.imgur.com/6CU1HUM.png "zx.tenchi.mihoshi-special.ova.divx51.ogm_snapshot_02.34_[2016.05.27_12.00.04].png")
The gamepad was dumb and drove up the cost of the system.
Anyone with two neurons to rub together understands why having a screen you look at far away and one close up is a bad idea.
Beyond that the pad doesn't feel comfortable.
They thought they could get that same crazy casual market the Wii had that "won them 7th gen" by offering up another dumb gimmick and so they didn't think they needed good games.
A lot of people however bought a Wii just to play netflix because there wasn't anything else out at the time for that price, I know these people, they still use it to play netflix on their TV.
>No new 3D Zelda
>No free roam Mario
>Waited two years to release Smash
>One third party game after another censored to protect liberal fag babies who don't believe in cultural relativity
>Games that only appeal to the small weeb market that cares when they are given a diluted product
>Funnels money into an overpriced and poorly manufactured toys-to-life platform
So many many things went wrong.
If the NX has games I will buy one.
If all it has is
>less graphically advanced 3rd party crossplats
>censored exclusive 3rd party
and
>more casual pandering mii shit for 4 year olds
than I am not going to support them and they can go the way of Sega for all I care.
>>339272339
I disagree with almost every point you made. The Wii U's primary failure was shit marketing, and poor hardware/required gamepad to a lesser extent
>>339272248
>5 years without great nintendo games
>>339272339
Free roam Mario games sell like trash though.
>>339268954
you have access to Nintendos real profit margins?
For me, honestly nothing, it's got the best games of its generation, in my opinion.
>>339272595
They don't exist. They're all rehash and sequel. Everything that miyamoto touches is dumbed down. There's plenty of good nintendo games but none of them are great. I don't see any threads for these games months after release.
>>339269135
Post lewd Metallia.
>>339271795
>>339272317
XBox is pidgeonholed as the Halo console (even though it had the best exclusives and best quality multiplats of the generation). PS2 is pidgeonholed as the shovelware console (even though the cheap cost meant more people could afford it, which meant it was a smart business move). Therefore the Gamecube is pidgeonholed as "the gamer console" even though it was just as much Nintendo-only kiddy trash as the Wii and Wii U.
>>339263638
Nothing.
>>339272770
This.
The games even miraculously sell very well, too.
>>339272770
>the best games of its generation
That's really not saying much.
>>339272858
There is nothing wrong with games targeted at kids, as if there were the industry wouldn't exist. GCN is mediocre because the games themselves are mediocre and /v/ often grossly overrates them
>>339271365
https://www.google.de/url?q=https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2016/160427e.pdf&sa=U&rct=j&ved=0ahUKEwjO5re14f_MAhVCSZoKHWVkBNQQFggfMAE&usg=AFQjCNFvI9xj6kPaeFEBBInevHnhjsXG2A
Relevant points are Financial Positions and Cash and deposits under Assets.
Fun fac back whenthe claim was made that nintendo could operate at loss for 30 more years the cash was still 800 billion years while shrinking 300 billion just the next year.
There is a reason why they are selling the Seattle Mariners(Nintendos most succesful financial venture with growth of over 600% over 10 years), they need money as they need this money to invest in new tech/ventures and just 2015 they burned like 500 million USD+, mostly for acquiring rights for tech and deal with DeNa. (i dont want to know how many billions went into wii u)
>>339273096
>There is nothing wrong with games targeted at kids, as if there were the industry wouldn't exist.
There is everything wrong in targeting exclusively kids though, because it means adults who aren't manchildren will abandon the platform.
>>339273094
I didn't imply otherwise, but people like to imply it has absolutely no games, for some reason.
They're there. Sure there aren't many but I'll take a few good exclusives over a shitton of trashy multiplats. I don't even fucking know how Ubisoft can still be afloat after these disastrous Watch_Dog and Assassins Creed titles.
>>339270426
it has no games
fucking mario and zelda spinoffs for the last 30 years? atleast they're know there consumers r fucken knuckleheads
>>339263638
Your parents didnt abort you like they originally intended.
>>339269170
yeah bro they're doing great
>>339273242
GCN had plenty of "adult" multiplats, though.they were just generally better on other platforms.
Even so, there's literally nothing wrong with "kiddy" games, just the same as there's nothing wrong with families/adults watching animated kids films, if it's entertaining/fun to them then it doesn't matter what the demographic may be.
>>339263638
Nintendo thought they still had a special fart of sunshine position in the market place, and tried to push out old hardware in a new generation. They also werent aware that gimmicks already died alongside the Wii name.
>>339263638
>What went wrong?
Terrible marketing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl1Dlmf5-nc
Retailers weren't educated on the features of the system and had no idea how to respond when customers asked questions about the new system. Many thought the Wii U was just an expensive tablet add on for the Wii.
Here is an example of retailer education from decades gone by: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C990wzFsoho
The dev kit support was abysmal. I heard that whenever 3rd party developers would run into a wall and send a question over to Nintendo about their architecture it would be two weeks before the question was translated to the technical support team. That combined with the lower system specs than competitors, who were using systems that were more easily ported, killed 3rd party support. And if that weren't enough Sony and Microsoft were paying them better.
>>339273742
Jesus Christ, I remember that commercial. So fucking retarded. My friends had no idea that the WiiU is a standalone console until early 2015.
>>339271795
>Metroid Prime
>Rogue Squadron 2
>Eternal Darkness
>F-Zero GX
>Pikmin 1 & 2
>Skies of ArcadiaLegends
>Custom Robo
>Fire Emblem: PoR
>Paper Mario: TTYD
>Super Mario Sunshine
>Animal Crossing
>Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes
Former GCN exclusives:
>Resident Evil (Remake, 4, and 0)
>Viewtiful Joe
>Tales of Symphonia
It's too bad all casuals seem to care about is Zelda.
The Wii U is a badly designed console with 10 very good to great videogames (in chronological order, Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Super Mario 3D World, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, Mario Kart 8, Bayonetta 2, Smash Bros 4, Splatoon, Mario Maker, Xenoblade X) and a few good games, like the Yoshi, NSMB and Kirby platformers, of even the new Star Fox if you happen to belong to the minority that likes both rail shooters and pc spaceship simulators with flight sticks.
The console is badly designed for many reasons, in no particular order:
A)The Wii U can play Gamecube games natively, but it cant have a Gamecube virtual console because the Wii U Gamepad and Wii U pro controller doesnt have analog triggers, something necessary to play Super Mario Sunshine or F-Zero GX.
B) A cheap underpowered console is an acceptable option. An expensve powerful console is an acceptable console. The Wii U is both weak and expensive.
C)The Wii U gamepad has terrible battery life. You can buy from Nintendo a better battery, they probably thought the Wii U was going to sell much more and that they were going to make a nice profit from selling batteries.
D) You need an external hard drive if you want to buy games digitally. You cant just put an sd card in the console, you need another little machine next to the Wii U.
E) 2 screens gaming works on the DS, because it is actually one screen divided in 2. Having to switch between looking at the tv and looking at the gamepad is completely different, and doesnt work.
F) The gimmick the sold not only wasnt a good gimmick, the console doesnt even have the processing power to make that gimmick work well.
G) The only good virtual consoles are the DS and GBA ones that were developed by M2, the people who make the 3DS Sega 3D Classics. Nintendo dropped the ball on the virtual console with horrible filters, muted colors and unnaceptable input lag. The Wii one was better.
>>339274037
Everything below Pikmin wasn't worth listing.
>>339268597
I disagree.
>>339263638
Did you miss last year's E3? The Wii U died in 2015
>>339272595
Haven't seen that image in a while.
>>339274168
>D) You need an external hard drive if you want to buy games digitally. You cant just put an sd card in the console, you need another little machine next to the Wii U.
I'd like to point out that you can actually use any old cheap pen-drive to install games onto as well, though it's not exactly recommended it just werks.
I also don't fully agree with E and F but I can see why you mentioned them also.
Best game of the generation happened on Wii U.
NoA fucked up everything, but console itself is fuckin great.
>>339274798
What is this?
>>339263638
>unfortunately
What's unfortunate about a console dying?
Nintendo needs free virtual console with a monthly $7 fee to be subscribed to the whole catalog of games. All nintendo games from every console with 3rd party games and consoles licensed out and ad supported. The console needs a retro name because that's what sells and it needs good marketing and sequels to games that only a 90's kid XD would know. Then from there, they can survive making the banal and unwanted games that they make these days.
>>339274876
>>339268054
Nioh is giving western players "exclusive gore" because the Japanese version had to be censored
>>339268054
IT'S ONLY BAD WHEN NINTENDO DOES IT
>>339273314
See >>339269172
>Wii U exclusives that aren't Mario or Zelda or timed exclusive
Bayo2
Splatoon
Xenoblade X
W101
Pikmin 3
Smash
Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze
Fatal Frame 5
Star Fox
Yoshi's Wooly World
Devil's Third
Rodea
Fast Neo
Runbow
Lost Reavers
Tokyo Mirage Sessions
Game & Wario
>PS4 exclusives that aren't remasters
Bloodborne
Uncharted 4
Killzone Shadow Fall
Ratchet & Clank
Knack
Disgaea 5
Infamous Second Son
Driveclub
Until Dawn
Omega Quintet
The Order 1886
Onechanbara Z2
>Xbone exclusives that aren't remasters or ported to PC
Halo 5
Sunset Overdrive
Crimson Dragon
Forza 5
It's fucking 2016, nobody cares about dual screens anymore, Nintendo. Your DS already had it, it is the same shit as before but now with gyro aiming!
>>339268995
>The industry is always a better place with Nintendo around. Even if you dislike them, I'd hate to see what happens to this hobby without the goofy, playful company.
That is bulshit, why does the industry CARES at what Nintendo does? Why Would EA/Activision/Ubisoft even CARE at what they do? All this companies are making shit ton of money even without a strong Nintendo Platform, Nintendo could go under and the biggest companies in the industry wouldn't suffer a single notorious hit in their financials at all.
Nintendo is like an isolated country that only the people that are invested in them care if they do well or not.
>>339275410
Look at all those sequels, unoriginal ideas, and bland games
>>339274037
Skies of Arcadia Legends is literally an enhanced port. Not an exclusive.
But yeah, the Gamecube did have a great library. As did the Xbox Hueg, PS2, and Dreamcast. I'd argue 6th gen was the greatest gen to be idort.
>>339269172
"Censorship" as a negative is pushing it a bit since only 2 games are affected in the system, both in a way that only affects tiny cosmetic features. Other than that, this post is 100% correct.
>>339275410
>arent mario
>smash
>donkey kong
>yoshi
>wario
sure those definitely arent mario games
>>339263638
Nintendo is still filled with a bunch of out of touch, japanese businessmen that don't know what their audience in 2016 wants. We'll keep getting half baked spinoffs like Mario Tennis and Party, and Amiibo Festiva, changes to games no one asked for like Color Splash, and tacked on gimmicks to games like Star Fox. Oh and then there's just games no one asked for like Federation Force.
Nintendo wants to do what they think is great and not even their fans support it anymore. They need to ditch their old ways of development, hire some new blood and maybe open some studios in the west.
>>339275651
Yeah the PS4 needs to stop nostalgia-pandering. It's gotten ridiculous lately.
>>339275749
They're not, and you know that as well as he does.
>>339275749
Bit if a stretch to call Smash a "Mario game" but even so that's only 4 games he mistakingly listed.
Nintendo just has their heads up their ass in general and it's hard to imagine that anything they do that actually makes sense is the result of someone in the company following a rational line of thought and not a happy accident.
Like when they tried to push "Nindies" a while back. On paper it sounds genuinely good. Indie devs will be willing to utilize the WiiU's gimmicks in a way the AAA devs haven't bothered to, but instead of giving indie devs incentives to make exclusive games that push the unique aspects of the hardware they just get two year old ports of games that everyone already got for nothing in Humble Bundles. Jesus fucking Christ Nintendo.
>>339275785
>only games I've liked from Nintendo in the past decade have been smash, punch out and dk
>realize two of them were western developed and the other is by sakurai
shit you may have a point
>>339275598
Not him but developers have taken a lot of inspiration from Nintendo's flagship titles
>>339269114
>PC gaming is (unfortunately) more or less subsidized by consoles. I can't really think of many big budget PC titles that don't have some kind of console port that makes up the majority of the title's sales.
What do you get out of lying and talking shit about the PC platform?
>>339274229
>custom robo isn't worth listing
>>339275651
Same could be said of the entire gen, not just the Wii U.
>>339275785
The head of Q-games was doing a stream the other day and said something about Miyamoto being a bad joke teller. Basically he told a joke where if you ran out of toliet paper to wipe your ass with your finger. I think Q-games is doing something for Sony right now.
>>339276248
It's boring and.overrated.
>>339263743
>Implying it wasn't dead on arrival
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Otherwise the libraries great
I enjoyed my Wii U, looking forward to NX
>>339276256
Of course but why should nintendo follow the trends of the gen. I've always been pc + nintendo so I've been able to avoid the shortcomings of other consoles and nintendo's game droughts. But now the droughts are remedied by rehash instead of euphoria. I won't be buying the next console.
>>339276676
There's a handful of titles that are great on the Wii U but you have to be joking to tell me it has a great library. Mario Party 10, Mario Tennis Ultra Smash, and Amiibo Festival are absolute jokes.
>>339276626
>Dead on Arrival
Reminder that 2013's best Next Gen game was Super Mario 3D World
Reminder that 2014 was the year everybody sucked except Nintendo but only Bayo 2 was allowed to be GOTY contender
>unfortunately
>>339276786
I'm sure the 11 people that owned a PiiU greatly enjoyed those games.
>>339267605
The ps4 will go the way of the sega Genesis. This neo or ps4k will be like the 32x when it comes to the PlayStation brand and the casual market's confusion
tumbling down
>>339276784
>3 shitty games refutes the entire library
Definition of cherry-picking
>>339276879
A lot of Wii U games sold significantly better than PS4 games, despite the PS4 leading the hardware market.
>>339276904
Three games that Nintendo pushed hard last year for their lineup. This is also a console with no third party support. Bayonetta 2 and Mario isn't even for me to get a Wii U. Smash is already on the 3DS.
>>339270430
>It was NOT just advertisement help, Capcom literally had no money for SF5 because of all the bad decisions they made the past several years.
Like what? I thought SF4 was a goldmine for them?
They released 2005 tier hardware in 2012.
Nintendo behaved like they live in a bubble. I remember the promotion of the Wii U, saying things like "Now you can play Nintendo franchises in HD", in 2013.
Dear Nintendo, people have been playing your games in HD for a while with Dolphin, nevermind the 2 HD consoles that have given people the taste of HD for 8 years already.
>>339277015
>Three games that Nintendo pushed hard
How?
All I remember seeing were short E3 trailers for them, as they do for every first-party title.
>Smash is already on the 3DS.
If you prefer the gimped version with worse stages and multiplayer, sure.
>>339277159
Closer to 2009 hardware tbqh
>>339263638
>Hardware wasn't as strong as competitors
>Non-aggressive marketing campaign
and those are just two obvious ones.
>>339277119
SF4 and MonHun made bank, but what about everything else?
>Remember Me
>Lost Planet series
>Operation Raccoon City
>Asura's Wrath
>Dark Void
>Sengoku Basara
>Bionic Commando 09
>Dead Rising since 2
>TvC
>MvC3
were all massive sales disappointments, to the point where they needed to port the GCN REmake and RE0 digitally for some cheap easy money.
>>339277159
Except that 2k5 hardware is actually fine. Who gives a fuck about MUH GRAFIX. As long as the gameplay is good graphics matter little. Hell, I play my ps2 and wii more than my ps3. And ps4 and the bone? Forget about it. Not interested.
nothing went wrong you fags just over react to everything
>>339277661
This
>>339277639
>Except that 2k5 hardware is actually fine.
Not when it's sold at 2016 hardware prices.
>>339268257
Why don't you just hack it already?
>>339277639
>Nintendo babies are so blind to the realities of the market that they can't see why this would doom the console from the start
The Wii U would have a multiplat library three times the size by now if it had hardware that was comparable to the ps4 and xbone.
>>339277661
Wii U neede more 3rd party titles. Nintendo needs less gimmicky controllers in general. Touchscreens belong on phones and wiggle sticks don't belong anywhere.
>>339269172
anyone who doesnt go nintendo/PC is a fedora tipping pleb
>underpowered hardware
I don't get this. The Wii U can run 720p 60FPS just fine and that's way better than 1080p 30FPS if you must choose. And the other consoles haven't exactly perfected 1080p 60FPS anyway.
What's even the problem here?
>>339277009
Oh yeah? Where is your proof
>>339277854
>care about multiplats
The only good multiplat game in this generation was Dark Souls 3. And I played it on PC.
>>339278102
its price is quite close to the PS4 despite having inferior hardware
the problem is the touchscreen controller that nobody asked for
>>339276081
And? Why would the industry give a single flying fuck? The industry isn't the talent but the business, the business side of the industry will never care what Nintendo does or does not because their business has almost no correlation with Nintendo at all.
>>339277745
True, that i agree with.
>>339277854
Yes, that's true too, OR Nintendo could have made the console easy to dev for. iPhones and Android phones get games out the wazoo and their hardware is dogshit. (Most of the time.) But the platform's are easy to develop for.
>>339278169
Do you know who does care about multiplats? The normies and parents and make up the vast majority of the market. Hell, most of them thought that the Wii U was a peripheral for the Wii.
>>339278157
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_Wii_U_video_games
Versus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_PlayStation_4_video_games
>>339278169
>nearly all multiplats are shit
Nice meme, some people don't play on PC, tons of them don't. For those the Wii U doesn't have enough games
>>339271061
>Just because it's not got much in the way of open levels and (forced) exploration doesn't invalidate is as a 3D Mario platformer, and an excellent one at that.
Even Sunshine was better at platforming.
>>339278352
"Gaming industry" includes development, anon.
>>339276081
What was the last influential Nintendo title? Mario 64 like 20 years ago? Nintendo has been living of nostalgia from a long ass time even in how influential people think Nintendo are.
>>339278157
It's all in the numbers:
Number one: that's terror
Number two: that's terror
>>339278536
>What was the last influential Nintendo title?
Didn't Splatoon come out like two years ago
>>339278493
Disagree, The fludd mechanic (conveniently not shown in the webm) is a slow piece of shit to have to platform with, and very few areaswere like the one in that clip.
>>339278536
I'd say Splatoon, Disney Infinity literally ripped off a map from there iirc.
>>339278536
Wind waker brought forth the cell shading trend. That's the most recent I can think of.
