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Everyone agrees he is overpowerd right?
>>339240541
of course
>>339240541
>McRee
>overpowered
you mean widowmaker
>>339240541
Yes.
>>339240541
No, in fact he's underpowered
>>339240541
>tfw you stun smug reinhardt over his faggy shield and gun him down
>he anticipates this and tries to charge me
>dodge roll to the side and still gun him down
>pfft.....nothin personal kid
feels so good to know I can kill him any time
>>339240541
As somebody who plays Tracer, Pharah, Soldier, and Reinhardt, no he's not.
People get killed by him, get salty, want him nerfed.
Hes balanced as of now.
made
of
glass
>extremely effective at every range
>A GOD DAMN STUN THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MISS
>easy to play effectively
>has NO hard counter in a game about COUNTERS
>has ONE downside being his ultimate ability is not good for killing but can still deal great damage and demands an entire teams attention
i dont know you tell me if he is op
>>339240541
He's not overpowered though. His stuns literally only hit things a foot away from him. The people who think mccree is overpowered are the ones who main the heroes that he counters, they get salty because they don't want to switch when they run into a team that has a competent one
Anyone who says no is shit because he's busted beyond belief.
There's a reason him and lucio have over 100% pick rate per team in the competitive scene.
That's on average, more than one McBroken on both teams at any given point in a match.
>>339241063
All the Better for looking through INTO THE IRIS
>>339241029
>>339241158
Six rounds... more than enough to kill anything that moves.
He's not OP because of some shitty flashbang or shitty karate roll. He's OP because when he busts his 6 round nut on your stomach you're fucking dead, kid. Good luck reacting!
>>339241131
>has No hard counter in a game about COUNTERS
Genji can deflect his stun back at him
Roadhog eats up his stun + fan combo and can blast him away
Phara can avoid his stun completely by just staying the fuck away from him and hovering
>820 burst
>Literally a one man tank buster with a stun
He attracts a lot of shitters but a good one is a goddamn nightmare
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>>339240541
You're right. Make McCree a girl and it balances out.
>cowboy revolver waifu
>>339241472
The only tank he fucks up is reinhardt because he can just walk through the shield and stun him, or just toss it over his head. Zarya can save herself from the stun with her shield, D.va can use her reflect. Roadhog is neutral to Mccree. If he gets hooked, Roadhog wins. If Mccree gets the roll + fan off, he wins.
>>339241629
Why do you keep talking about his other skills like they're important? He does a million damage in a hyper second with accuracy limited only by your skill with a mouse and at hella range, all the other shit is just luxury goods on top.
>>339241131
>extremely effective at every range
No, he's not. He's passable at long, okay at mid, and godlike in close.
>A GOD DAMN STUN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MISS
Just don't be in his face, it's distance is laughable.
>has NO hard counter in a game about counters.
What is Genji, who can reflect his own stun against him, as for soft counters, S76 can kill him with a helix into 3 shots and he's popped.
Try experimenting for once and you might learn something. Or just look it up online if trying and failing hurts your pride to much.
>>339241421
Pharah isn't a counter to shit though because she's so vulnerable.
Oh I guess she's a counter to Junkrat for what matters then. But if anyone has hitscan they're a counter. Anyone with near hitscan projectiles is a counter. There's no medkits in the air.
>Genji reflect
Like saying Spy can go behind and stab medics in comp TF2.
Roadhog is generally not that useful, almost to the point if you pick him on anything outside KotH you're becoming a detriment to your team.
Real counters to McCree is simply snipers and turrets.
>>339241375
He's also one of the slowest fuckers in the game, so if you're dumb enough to get close enough for him to flash and/or FTH at you you literally just have yourself to blame.
>>339241796
How is he not effective at long range? If you can click on moving clusters of pixels than you can murder shit at whatever distance.
>>339241796
>I'm retarded
Permanently accurate long range for great damage, beats Soldier and Widowmaker AR's damage.
Even outside of fan spam range he's effective in a team.
>>339241876
>close enough
lol k i missed the part where distance or the flash matters and not the part where you just get domed in .01 seconds by minigun mccree
>>339241876
>Slowest fuckers
Everyone has the same run speed dumbass.
>>339240541
literally worst character in the game
>>339241989
dumbest post I've seen all day familam
>>339241989
I hate McCree but still come on bro. McCree ain't going nowhere as fast as Pharah or Lucio. Maybe faster than D.VA if the distance is short and her cooldown is on.
>>339241796
>No, he's not. He's passable at long, okay at mid, and godlike in close.
He deals 35-70 dmg per shot and the bullet has no travel time. How is that passable and ok at long and mid range respectively?
The only ones that rival him at long range is Widowmaker and 76 while at mid range few are even on par.
>>339242096
Because for hyping overwatch as much as he did he's probably only played it for three hours or up to rank 4 and maybe even missed the open beta.
>>339241796
>No, he's not. He's passable at long, okay at mid, and godlike in close.
This is like saying this fucker was bad at long and mid range.
>First Bastion was overpowered
>Then Torbjorn was overpowered
>Then D.Va was overpowered
>Then Junkrat was overpowered
>Then Mei was overpowered
Oh look! It's McCree's turn!
If you play anyone with a shotgun he beats you and if you play someone at mid range it's who has better aim. So he is like never at a disadvantage.
I'm a bad shot so despite doing good meta wise I never rake in many kills and therefore aren't nearly as effective as I should be, forever getting grouped with other shitters.
This has one advantage though.
McRees are fucking garbage in my cesspool and "HIGH NOON" has become a "here I am, kill me now please" that never ceases to get old.
>>339242042
>>339242052
>runspeed
>>339242327
I still think Mei is shit, and Widowmaker too. I never claimed the others were because I'm not retarded. Obviously can't prove that, and even if I could you'd find another way to delude yourself.
>>339242443
Who the fuck just runs in Overwatch? Unless you're McCree?
>>339242327
Who counters him tho
>>339242327
I must have passed out at that day because I never have seen people complaining about D.Va being overpowered.
If anything people still complain why her shotguns don't do any damage across the map.
>>339242327
>Things that never happened
Bastion is still technically OP by the way if only for having more sweets than he reasonably needs with a self-repair. Would have been more reasonable to give him a slower firing AP/zoom alt fire instead.
Mei is definitely still OP.
McCree was always OP according to comp.
D.Va was NEVER OP, holy shit what are you talking about.
>>339242525
Literally everyone without a jetpack runs retardo.
>>339242327
>Then D.Va was overpowered
please explain the one moment in time my waifu got any respect
>>339242017
Like every competitive team picks him twice.
>>339242587
>lucio skates
>mei icewalls
>junkrat bomb hops
>genji
>hanzo
>fucking goddamn winston
Okay dude. You got me. Are you intentionally stupid?
IT'S
>>339242667
>I'm literally retarded
How does an Icewall help you move faster? Won't get you to the objective or killing range faster.
Junkrat's concjump is a fixed arc that only gives you verticality before you slow down and you may as well have run the distance.
Hanzo is a slow ass fucker you retard, he can just climb a ledge once in a while.
>Jetpack
Get some reading comprehension.
>>339242327
You're an idiot and even Blizzard has officially stated McCree needs to be toned down and decide whether he's a midrange skirmisher or a long range damage because right now he performs both roles flawlessly.
Mcree is the only hero with a 100% pick rate in competitive tournaments.
>>339242869
They're all movement skills that can get you into sweet shortcuts that McCree would have to go find a staircase to walk his fat ass up. Do you not realize how that is a huge difference in his mobility compared to other characters, even IF his walk speed is the same? Yes? Following? Because I really hate having to spell things out.
>>339242906
>Blizzard has officially stated McCree needs to be toned down
Gonna need some hot source on that m8
>>339242993
You'd have already seen the tweet if you did any amount of lurking Overwatch threads.
>>339242972
Basic movement speed isn't that same for all characters though.
>>339240541
Git gud
change anything about mcree and he will become worthless
>>339243743
Yes I know. Tracer hauls ass with just her regular run. Not to mention all her dashes. The dude's original statement of movement speeds being the same was retarded, but he was also wrong about the assumption he made on flawed info too, so I wanted to say why he was extra wrong.
Also I didn't even get into Reaper's or Tracer's teleports, or Mercy's glide.
And again, McCree being hugely immobile doesn't even matter because he's a fucking monster.
>>339243997
Unequivocally false. Did you even think your statement through?
>>339243997
Exactly, he's one of those characters that needs to be changed entirely or removed from the game. I doubt the latter will happen, but if blizzard was to completely change him, everybody who likes Mcree is going to have a bitchfit about it. It's times like these I'm glad I'm not a game developer.
>>339240541
turn flashbang into a skillshot (no aoe bullshit) and he is fixed.
Yep, even Blizzard has acknowledged it. Can't wait till the banhammer hits because I know he'll be useless for months afterward.
>>339240541
>American character is overpowered
>In american game
Wew lad
>>339244118
Just make his flashbang actually a flashbang and not a stunlock
>>339242993
I would also like to see this. And if they have said anything about the powerlevel of sniper in the game. Her ult needs to just effect her. She also shouldn't be able to spam her rifle.
McCree just needs to allow a person to use an escape tool in the fan stun combo. There are so many in the game that just can't save you due to start up time not being as fast as the 800 damage jammed into your stomach.
Mei just needs to have her slow actually build up into a freeze and not:
>0 seconds
slowed 80%
>1 second
slowed 90%
>2 seconds
frozen
Aparently she freezes the target after 70 damage has been sprayed. I would rather it just keep doing damage like Winston but after a set time in the spray you are frozen.
>>339243997
make his fan the hammer shots do 45 damage instead of 60 and make his flashbang not do damage
>>339244138
But the flashbang is fine. The easiest eay to fix McCree is give a small cool down so he can shoot as fast as you can click. Boom, no more burst damage, no more bullshit. They could even up his per shot damage for all I care. Just don't let him be able to jizz out a tank character's worth of HP from his ejaculation machine.
Not OP, but most fights with him are decided when he hits or misses his flashbang. Getting fanbanged is fucking annoying too.
>>339244507
it's like impossible to miss
>>339240541
I actually had someone compliment me for playing McCree and not killing them with a flashbang+fan.
m1 kills > m2 kills > E+M2 kills
Can't wait for the McRee only weekly brawl.which is coming, this isn't wishful thinking or some kind of pitch
>>339244595
Wow, you're so cool for going above and beyond a combo intended for the character.
No, the only overpowered character in the game is a fat Asian woman with way too much survivability for someone who isn't a tank who can make walls that absorb so much damage that you're not destroying any of it before it goes away on it's own and can completely shut down anyone just by holding M1 in their general direction
and God forbid you ever get the upper hand on her for once because then she can just Ice Block and build a wall right out of it and get away without even trying
>>339243257
Are you sure it's not people posting old dev comments from beta. McCree was LOTS stronger in beta, as was Bastion. Devs made comments about nerfing both of them back then.
>>339244661
Use the right tool for the right situation. Not every kill requires a flashbang. Learning to kill shit that doesen't require the stun without it and you'll be a better player.
>>339244668
Your fault for stepping into her pathetically small range.
>>339244661
To be fair I think McCree is at his most broken when he isn't even trying to fuck with close quarters, just getting that sweet six round unload on some unsuspecting shmoe on a continual hit and run mission. Flashbang and roll are just bonus skills for if you round a corner and your supposed hard counter is there. Also not that guy you replied to.
>>339244767
Right click
>>339240541
>BAMF
Oh for fuck's sake.
>>339242527
snipers.
roadhog's hook.
bastion at range.
anyone who can shoot further than 10m and still do decent dmg.
>>339245464
>Roadhog hooks me
>flashbang
>fan
>roll
>fan
Nothin personnel pardner
>>339240894
McRee shouldn't be able to shoot a Widow from across the map. The only character who should be able to kill at extreme range is Hanzo and that's because he's the other sniper.
>>339245769
I kill widows from across the map with 76 and Genji
>>339241421
His best counter is himself, that's how you know any class is broken. Neck yourself, McCree apologist.
>>339245812
I'm talking one to two shots before you can react. Not plinking damage.
>>339245769
candyass
>>339245769
>I play Widow everytime and I literally want to be invincible
>>339240541
mcree and bastion will be the first to get the nerf bat, i hope they slap recoil and spread on bastion watch the shitters sit their and spray walls crying
mccree is easy to counter. gengi is aids as fuck.
>>339246000
Nice trips. Also I play support widow. Taking out turrets, using the ult to recon for the team and staying mobile. I should be squishy as fuck. I don't think Cool Hand Luke should be a counter sniper.
>>339246010
bastion is the fucking easiest counter in the game. only fucking plebs have a hard time with him.
>>339245769
Literally get good.
>>339246140
No u
>>339246126
I am pretty sure at this point that if you don't have a problem with McCree yet, it's because for some reason you havrnt put two and two together that hitscan + high damage + no recoil + no cool down between shots = a sniper but better.
The only op character is Mei. Cowboy already got nerfed because of bullet drop off.
>>339240541
That fucking flash + right click combo
>>339246284
I have, I don't have any issues with Mccree as widow.
>>339245680
this literally never happens against roadhogs who know what they're doing
you are stunned the whole time while roadhog does his hook+shotgun+melee combo that oneshots you
>>339246429
It's less issues and more an annoyance that they can do the same thing as me using a revolver while I'm using a sniper rifle. If isn't impossible or difficult just annoying.
>Everyone including "competitive" players seem to think McCree is broken due
>In a game where Zarya exists.
I mean, holy fuck are people dumb or do they really not want to move out of sucking Reinhardt's dick.
It's a fucking miracle people can't start using the entire hero pool to play something outside of their comfort zone and this goes for the competitive players too, it's no wonder why the "meta" becomes stale as fuck when even the best players are afraid to counter pick properly.
>>339246623
He does like 30-50 damage from long range you do 150 it's no where near the same or an annoyance.
>>339246352
This is my issue. He's killable sure but his only counter is to gang up on him.>>339246364
>>339240541
Turn the stun into an actual flashbang and I won't mind anymore.
I've seen you fags say literally every character is overpowered now.
Do you jokers just get shot by someone then jump to make a thread about it?
>>339246634
>zarya has 400 health
>don't shoot her shields
she's balanced.
the reason why double mcree is really strong in competetive teams is because they just get speedboosted in by lucios and start a team fight by instantly killing 2 opponents.
while also being useful on their own and at range.
>>339246679
Ignoring High noon and the fact that he is accurate as fuck with no recoil or delay between rounds.
>>339246364
She's only a problem if you 1v1 her. The real counter to Mei isteamwork.
>>339241131
I fuck him up with D.VA everytime
>>339246753
That's not really functionally different since you're still going to die unless you make it blind him too unless he's far enough way that he can't.
>>339240541
Reaper counters him hard. He just sneaks up on you and instagib you.
>>339240541
Even if he isn't flasbang is the single worst designed skill in the game.
>mccretard
>>339244668
Literally considered lower than trash tier by the good players.
>>339246821
You would of hated him back in beta he use to have 0 damage drop off at range.
>>339246935
Nah. His stun is more then enough time to kill. Even if you sneak up he can roll and panic throw.
>>339246792
It's not just about shooting the shields, it's her being present in a team that's already forcing the enemy to accomodate to her shields.
The shields absorb a single hit from practically anything, D.Va self destruct, McCree Ult, Junkrat Tire, you name it. Zarya is also the only tank in the entire game that makes Mei virtually useless and even if she decides to reset with a block, Zarya can already put up another shield to avoid getting frozen.
Add to that that she has terrifying offense in situations where she actually wants to get hit (absorbing damage ultimates etc) and the fact that just her being present and giving other people shields increases her damage output IS a major boon that people overlook.
Oh, and largely the immunity to being fanned to death by a McCree and HP pool made up of shields.
>Tfw getting insta killed as a fucking full health Winston by that fucker.
>>339247004
Trust me I'm aware of that bullshit. He was more annoying then.
>>339246409
Ive been telling people this is cheap as hell all through out the beta, but nobody listened apparently.
>>339247201
It's a garunteed kill unless you're literally having an aneurysm.
>>339247104
poor Winston with his huge head
Flash's range is shit though, you have to be really close to him to get killed by the combo
>>339247267
I have shit aim and poor bullet management so I rarely pull it off.
>>339247030
Cant really do much when you`re dead.
>>339240541
He's not overpowered, it's the other characters that are underpowered.
Buff the rest of the cast.
>genji is a counter to mcree
>mcree just spams the 6 shots until he forces genji to use the block
>flashbangs him
>kills him
>>339247971
Genji honestly seems kinda shit sometimes.
>>339248259
He's a one trick pony. Now that everyone's wised up to him, he's useless.
>>339240541
Every hero in this game is overpowered in what they do, that is the whole point of it.
>>339248663
>D.Va
>>339240541
It's annoying to have to save recall just for him as Tracer.
Also, flashbang>>fanhammer>combatroll>fanhammer drops anything.
>>339248515
It could be pretty cool if his delfect was actually an aoe so he could support his team a little more. Not with the same cooldown/active time of course.
As it stands he just exists to run around the backline and fuck with supports/defense.
Also he should be able to deflect Dva's ult.
>>339248259
His ultimate is fucking underwhelming. At least it should give him some HP.
>>339249579
>>Also he should be able to deflect Dva's ult.
That's retarded.
McCree is only good when he fucks you up at close range. If you're losing to a McCree from mid to long range, then you suck ass.
>>339242946
Nope. Lucio as well.
I think Lucio needs to be nerfed more urgently than McCree, not a big nerf, but take away 50 HP from him. He should be squishier considering his insane mobility and AoE healing.
>>339240541
name one hard counter to le-cree
pro tip, you cant
>>339245820
Here you go m8
>>339250894
Widowmaker/Genji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEN06UA9BrU
>>339242858
low
>>339245263
I'm not a cowboy, what does bamf mean?
>>339250894
McCree
>>339251190
>enemy team keeps comming out 1 by 1 and no one picks winston
This guy can obviously aim and is pretty decent but the enemy team are just complete retards
>>339242587
I would like to point out that zenyatta doesn't run anywhere and he doesn't have a jet pack friendo
>>339251772
badass motherfucker
>>339240541
With bubble shield, yes. But he's still Pharah's little bitch.
>>339245769
mccree can do max 70 damage at long range and thats on headshot, if a widow is dying to that then it's a scrub widow
He's only good in the hands of someone who can aim.
McCree, Lucio, and Widow are the only objectively overpowered heroes.
>>339252526
Kek are you serious
>>339240541
He can kill you ez if he catches you unawares
That's it
If he's on the other team take care to never be in the open too long so when he ukties you can just duck behind
He's very strong against inexperienced and like most heroes who are, people think that means he's op. Like bastion kek. Just flank him
>nerf whats good
>now get to see 2 tracers in every game because nobody acknowledges how fucking ridiculous she is
keep walking into these lone wolf situations and get this fuck nerfed so you can make this game even more annoying. i'm sure you guys know how miserable a double tracer game is.
>>339240541
>shit mobility
>low health
Nah.
I always love the threads about Mei and McCree being overpowered while this guy's rolling around in his current form.
>>339254978
Really wouldn't say hes OP, Mercy is still a fine healer and arguably better on Defense.
Its more than Zenyatta is a tissue and Symmetra isnt a healer.
>>339256182
He needs to be squishier. Has too much HP for his speed and the fact he heals on AoE
He's easily the most overpowered character in the game.
>People think Mei is OP
>Mei is just bad McCree with a delay and single target limitation on the stun
>These same people think McCree is fine l2p
Why is the Overwatch playerbase so retarded?
>>339256182
>Really wouldn't say hes OP
This means that you are wrong and the things you have said are wrong. He's the best character on the whole god damn roster by a huge margin.
>>339240541
He is not even using his second revolver yet.
He can melt tanks down in seconds with his M2. He needs a damage nerf.
>>339240541
His flash bang should not be in the game.
>>339240541
That's the secret, Captain... everyone is overpowered.
>>339256468
>Be mei
>duel mccree
>He tries to flashbang me
>instantly ice Block
>get out of it
>freeze him and takes him down easy
Wow that was hard. Maybe all these """"pros """" should l2p since there is tons of counter play against mccrees easy to dodge flashbang
>>339256543
>This means that you are wrong and the things you have said are wrong
Great argument, youll fit right in here
>>339242327
Torbjorn and D.Va have never been overpowered. Mei's just a piece of shit who makes the game miserable for the other 11 people playing.
McCree can literally kill every character that's not a tank in half a second, and he can kill the tanks too or a second enemy if you take the roll into account.
>Be Piggu
>Can hookfunmelee most people down
>Mcree, Blackguy and Icebitch always seem to survive
Do they have more health or am I doing something wrong?
>>339256543
>someone being a good character means he is OP
Go home, Randy.
Probably not, but he's the most brain-dead unskilled hero you can choose.
>>339257023
Hook, Bodyshot, melee to make sure.
>>339240541
Yeah, everyone but you is overpowered. You're the only one who's underpowered. Just like in life.
/thread
>>339258236
>>339257675
Talk about some asspained McCree players here.
>>339254978
mercy does more damage than him. He's mandatory in team comps but not OP whatsoever
I'm actually impressed by the balance in OW, nobody is OP. The only changes I would make are light buffs on pharah and d.va, and give zenyatta just like 5 more hp so that he isn't one-shot by so much.
>>339242906
actually Blizzard has said they are pretty hesitant to nerf McCree because raw killing power is literally the only thing he brings to a team.
76 has healing beacon, Tracer, Genji and Reaper make for great advance scouts, even both snipers bring quite a bit of utility thanks to wall hacks. McCree's got nothing except for high damage.
>>339240541
how does his ult even work
>>339241063
Zen would be perfect if they just made him faster.
Since you need LoS for heals, the dude needs to get around.
It will also help with his survive.
>stun grenade counters 90% of the cast
Yes, he has no hard counter besides widow.
No one in this game is overpowered.
No one in this game is underpowered.
Every hero is good, every hero is meant for certain tasks, and it's up to you to determine what your task is and what the team matchup is currently like. If something is unfair in your perception, YOU are doing something wrong. I promise. Hit me with the excuses but that won't change.
Within the realm of what your team needs, play who you enjoy. I like to do McCree for offense, Mei for defense, and occasionally the ever-versatile Roadhog. Have fun everybody.
Only complaint I have about the game character wise, besides the one's who are useless as of now.
>>339241421
>roadhog eats up his stun
Roadhog needs at least 421 health to do so, and if the roadhog misses a single shot / hook as the mcree dodges left or right, then he's dead.
>>339240541
See you, space cowboy.
>>339262324
>Every hero is good, every hero is meant for certain tasks,
In every single fucking game when we talk about balance, there's an idiot like you that vomits this meaningless bullshit.
Yes, there are overpowered characters, and yes there are trash characters.
D.Va, Symetra and Zenyatta all fall in the low/shit tier, while characters like Lucio and McCree are extremely powerful and fit in every single team comp.
>>339245680
Can't happen unless the Roadhog doesn't shoot after hooking.
>>339260936
They shouldn't be hesitant considering he's picked in literally every competitive matchup currently.
>>339263019
>Symetra and Zenyatta shit-tier
Proof that people who complain about balance are scrubs. A good Symetra or Zenyatta is HELL for the other team, I've seen it happen. I've seen both characters singlehandedly bring matches back from the brink of destruction for their team.
Dva? Needs a slight damage buff, but she's fine otherwise. Her mobility, utility, and ult make her a very viable threat.
>>339242327
Bastion was overpowered for a very short amount of time in the very early closed beta when he had a reinhardt shield blocking his front. His only counter at that time was tracer.
Torb was never overpowered and is considered a joke in competitive play because his turrets are so weak.
Dva is even more of a joke. She's only selected ever for one map, and even then she's a counter pick mostly.
Junkrat was never overpowered. He's just a lane protection, but has lots of counters.
Mei was never overpowered. She's a joke.
Lucio, Widow, and Mccree are overpowered. Widow and Mccree have been the entire time. Lucio has been since they nerfed Zenyatta.
>>339263324
Symmetra isn't useless (though she's low tier), but zenyatta is currently.
That doesn't mean you can't do decently with him, he's just bottom tier. He is never picked in competitive ever because of his health and lack of any mobility.
>>339263324
>A good Symetra or Zenyatta is HELL for the other team, I've seen it happen.
So did I, Zenyatta is one of my most played characters. Wrecking shit in pubs is completely irrelevant. Your silly anecdotal evidences aren't proving anything.
>Dva? Needs a slight damage buff, but she's fine otherwise
When Winston and Reinhardt exist, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to play D.Va.
>>339263527
I'll get flak for this but I don't follow the competitive scene. I find Overwatch to be a health mix of competition and casual fun and I don't want my view of it to be clouded by meta garbage. I don't subscribe to the idea that just because the pros are doing it, it must be broken or top-tier. That's an appeal to authority, which is a logical fallacy. They're only human like any other player and metas have their seasons too, they come and go.
That said I'm awayre that Zenyatta has practically no health. But shit if Zenyatta can't outrange you with chaos orb and psychic punch you to death, tilt a slew of little duels in his team's favor with harmony orbs, and then push his whole team forward with his ult when he gets it.
>>339263678
Dva, reinhardt and winston all have different roles.
Dva is hard to kill, and very mobile with an ultimate that breaks forts.
Reinhardt protects your team and can CC with his ultimate.
Winston is there so brain damaged people can still play the game.
>>339263879
>Zenyatta starts to outrange you
>gets 1 shot by a widow body shot
I genuinely think this is the first online game where the balance is perfect. Mei could probably do with a very slight nerf, but then I'm not too sure on that.
>tfw no reason to play any other offensive character when McCree exists.
>>339263879
They're only humans
That have mastered the game, and are playing for money, so will play the absolute best combos they can to win.
It's a fact that Mccree, widow, and Lucio are currently overpowered. Pros all agree, and they will use the ever loving fuck out of them to win.
It's also a fact that Zenyatta is useless thanks to the existence of widowmaker (as well as Tracer, S76, and Mccree) for being so slow and fragile.
>>339263984
>Implying Widow players can hit anything that isn't totally stationary
I know THAT'S anecdotal based on pub shitters but wow are Widows bad. And if you get a Widow when your team is on offense, might as well count yourself down a player.
>>339246126
>support widow
I play a support Junkrat, I kill people on the enemy team so they can't deal damage to our team.
>>339264053
He's OP, but there's still plenty of reason to use a Tracer and S76 situationally, and Tracer is a better offensive pick for koth. Genji, reaper, and pharah also see some occasional use on payload.
But currently Mccree is the go to offense pick for payload.
Offense is unique in that all of its characters are usable though.
>>339263146
Balancing solely around comp play doesn't work. If you nerf him into the ground, his permanent spot will just be replaced by someone else.
You're always gonna have a few permanent roles, with one or two rotating situationals.
>be Genji
>hear "it's high noon"
>see McCree appear from a doorway
>activate deflect
>kills himself with his own ultimate
>mfw
>>339263920
And yet, D.Va is never a threat to a team in any situation whatsoever.
She accomplishes her job as a tank extremely poorly.
Some people say you should flank with her, due to her mobility, in which case, why the fuck aren't you using Tracer, which is so much better at that.
D.Va is in a weird spot where she does below average as a tank, and below average as a flanker, but can do both.
I could see her in some distant future as a niche 6th pick in a team, but right now, with what we currently know of the game, she's pretty useless, or to put differently, there's always a pick that'll do her job better.
>>339240541
>bastion so op!!
>wait torb op!!!
>no wait mei op!!
>ok nvm widowmaker op!
>wow mcree op!!!
>l-llucio op??
git gud and shut the fuck up
>>339264178
I play in a 6 stack so I go up against other 5 and 6 stacks.
I'm also level 40, so when I play I go up against other people around level 40.
Widows in general around this level start to get good. Widows in 5/6 stacks are almost always very good, because they're usually in mumble and have their best sniper be widow.
>>339264475
Not true. Winston, Reinhardt, and Zarya are very well balanced. Winston sees the most use in KOTH, and Rein in payload for sure, but there's a fair amount of back and forth between the three.
No hero should be above 100% here. If they see a ton of use in koth they shouldn't see a ton in payload or vice versa. That's why Lucio and Mccree are obviously OP right now.
Widow is OP just because she doesn't really have any significant downside, and there's no other true sniper character.
>>339240541
From what I've read, everyone is overpowered. I think everyone just is bad at Overwatch.
>>339265040
>>339264813
The problem with /v/ is that it's full of bad players that complained about easily countered characters like bastion, torb, and mei so now equally idiotic people like you think that non counterable characters like mccree, lucio, and widow are not overpowered.
>>339264541
Dva is not a tank, please excuse blizzards mistake. She's an assault.
She constantly chips away at enemies, and can finish off low health enemies really easily.
She can block all of bastion's bullets and give your team their chance to kill him.
She can create space for your team to advance with her ultimate, and can even get a few kills if enemy is in a bad position.
She's the most durable hero, with her high health, high mobility and she can get back in her mech pretty quickly.
>>339265189
What makes me equally idiotic?
>>339264813
>git gud
In a game where individual skill makes barely any difference?
>>339264823
Widow is OP because her DPS is retarded.
You shouldn't be able to shoot that many bullets in so little time.
TF2 and CS has the right idea by making the good sniper rifles bolt action, so missing a shot actually has significant drawbacks.
>>339265285
The fact that you think just because people cried wolf about shit characters means that actually OP characters aren't OP.
>>339265248
And Tracer and Reaper do that job better.
Except for blocking Bastion bullets, in which case you'll have a Reinhardt, which happens to be also a really good tank with great abilities.
>>339265517
>actually OP characters aren't OP
And when did I say this?
The funny thing is, while Mccree is OP in competitive play, Mccree is actually even more OP in non competitive play because the 20 tick rate will fuck over characters like Tracer and Pharah that try to escape but get flashed on the Mcree's side.
How the hell does his ultimate work? I see right circles over their heads and I press shoot but nothing fucking happens.
>>339265567
You acted like Mccree, widow, and lucio somehow aren't OP.
>>339240541
>>339265040
>From what I've read, everyone is overpowered. I think everyone just is bad at Overwatch.
/thread
This game is casual as fuck.
>>339265707
When? Show me who you think you're replying to. Show me who you think you're calling an idiot.
Did Roadhog get nerfed or something?
I was in the alpha for 80% of the time I played I played Roadhog and he seamed great, landing a hook was pretty much and auto kill on all those tumbling 360noscope youtube montage fucks.
Everything I see on this game make out like he's shit tier, what happened?
>>339265854
He was never good.
He's an ult dispenser,
They should probably just add some element of actual loss of control to fanning the revolver. There's basically no difference between the two functions in accuracy at even medium range except one puts 300-400+ damage into the other guy instantly.
OK, OK. I don't wanna be accused of bias here. You have to tilt your mouse slightly to compensate.
>>339265907
I had like a 73% winrate over more then 100 games, maybe people in the alpha are shittters?
Here's an idea: get some distance.
He literally is only good up close. Don't talk about "uhh but high moon ult" because it needs to be charged and you literally have more than enough time to get out of range.
>>339265854
He's a huge victim of shotgun RNG. His hook sometimes bugs out and pulls enemies to the side, and every time you shoot the bullets fly in a different pattern so half the time you scratch them and the other half you get a one-hit-kill.
>>339265550
What the fuck do you mean? Tracer lacks vertical movement and reaper's movement is very slow.
They can't clear forts with their abilities.
They are comparatively much more squishy.
Did you even read what I wrote?
>>339266045
People you played with yes.
Also remember that alpha players were mostly people like LoL and Hearthstone streamers, so of course they'd be shit.
>>339265248
This all works out until you need to shoot at someone. At that point you are slow with a large weak spot and poor range. Having high health doesn't mean much.
>>339266045
>>339265854
If you're good at Roadhog he is good enough. Like any meta you'll always do better with the guy that fits vs the meta pick if you don't enjoy the meta pick more.
Roadhog's true problem is that he's really wide and has a ton of HP so if you get gunned down from full by a Reaper or something you just gave him 80-100% of his ult.
I mean obv if you're good you're good, keep on Roadhogging, I love a good Roadhog and hook into point blank auto is still a gib most of the time. But watching a bad Roadhog miss point blank shots is tragic.
>>339265657
You wait until the circles close on them, and they turn red. That's when they become one shot kills.
The more health the target has, the longer it takes to become a one shot, so you'll more than likely be killing squishies before you kill any tanks.
>Hey there, i hope werent planning to have fun in this match.
>>339240541
>was just in a game with 3 McCrees
>they were all bitching at our team for not having a tank or healer
>keep telling them to switch to it themselves
>they dont respond
>they keep bitching
>these braindead fucking shitheels are genuinely perplexed as to why no one even gives a fuck about team comp with their useless asses on our team
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
RANKED MATCHMAKING FUCKING WHEN
>>339266207
Her damage isn't amazing because of how tanky and mobile she is.
You retards are asking to buff dva because you don't understand her role and can't play her properly.
You literally want her to be overpowered. She's fine.
>>339246126
> Support widow
Me myself play as a support Bastion, I sit in a corner ensuring no one can take the objective.
From time to time I play support Genji, I focus on the objectives and reflect back enemy attacks.
>>339266250
This is only applicable if the Widowmaker is actually good at picking off people.
The amount of times where they haven't done so, and my team has won the fight 6v5, and the Widow pussies out and runs from the point only for us to win the overtime is way too often.
It's kinda like Zenyatta. There's no middle ground of skill with Widow players, they're always either terrible or great.
>>339266187
>Tracer lacks vertical movement and reaper's movement is very slow.
One is super fast, the other has a teleport. Their mobility is overall amazing.
>They can't clear forts with their abilities.
The fact that both are extremely good flanking characters means they can.
D,Va being tanky is her only reedeeming quality, and it doesn't help her accomplished what she has been designed to do.
>Did you even read what I wrote?
Right back at ya famalam.
>You literally want her to be overpowered. She's fine.
Fine at sucking dicks. I mean, that's all D.Va mains want from her anyway.
>>339241864
You shouldn't be in the air with pharah so much that you need me skits up there.
Play normally, on the ground. Only go airborne to get to a good vantage point or to fly over walls at choke points to harass.
There's no point to floating in the air constantly like an asshole
Guys.
I realized yesterday...
The game is balanced around mouthbreathing retards.
Think about it.
McREEEEEE
Widowmaker
Bastion
How do you think all of these batshit-ridiculous characters would perform... if the people playing them sucked dick? Consistently?
Widowmaker goes from hero-erasing-terror-beast to occasional-oneshot-lady in the hands of a shitter. Same for Bastion - in shitter games, no one protects the Bastion, and he sets up in a stupid spot. In shitter games, McREEEE misses his flashbang and doesn't know where to go for flanks, etc. etc.
The game is balanced around retards.
Blizzard knows it's audience.
>>339266557
The difference is that even the best Zenyatta is easy to deal with if you have a decent widow or tracer
But the best widows are huge pain in the asses to deal with.
>>339266457
Everything she does a Winston can do just as well or better. She is almost unanimously considered awful in the competitive scene, that doesn't mean she can't be good for pubs though.
>>339266785
>Bastion
You had a point til you put Bastion.
Bastion is not OP, he's easily countered.
>>339241063
This. He's fine otherwise, but he's so fucking slow, especially as a support.
Fun hero though otherwise.
>>339263019
None of those examples are trash though. D.Va is good for breaking fortified positions, Symmetra brings a LOT of utility and Zenyatta smashes tank comps that focus on high-HP characters.
>land a hook
>they go flying past you
When do you think they will start releasing new characters?
I want morehasubando material
>>339250425
those are the rules of nature anon
>not playing McCree, Lucio or Widowmaker
You want to win right?
>>339267043
The fact that there are better options to those 3 in most situations makes them bad. Zenyatta is a bad support, squishy and no mobility, D.Va is a garbage whatever she's been designed to be, and Symmetra is a mislabeled support (should be a Defensive class, and yet she get outclassed by snipers and Torb as far as defending goes).
But sure, feel free to disagree with the consensus of top players that already spent hundreds of hours on this game.
Only OP if he's left unchecked. Some teams will let him woah pew pew pew every ten seconds and walk in one by one but a smart team will just shoot him when he doesn't have his flashbang.
>>339266457
I agree that I don't seem to understand her roll and I've been lurking threads to try and figure it out. She is only mobile and tanky when she isn't attacking. At some point it seems like you will need to attack someone, which makes you slow and susceptible to easy head shots. I tend to die much more quickly compared to when I use the characters with lower HP.
>>339241063
I've spent 15 of my 20 hours in OW playing Zenyatta.
Let me tell you - he's fucking terrible.
Anyone so much as looks at you and you're fucked.
He has NO health but a HUGE hitbox that just so happens to be nice and round to make sure that people kill you even faster.
I have been killed at long range by Metzen 76 in less than half a second because he shot me in the head with like 3 bullets.
Tracers have killed me so fast that in the kill cam I see them shake their mouse in confusion.
Every single time I peek out to apply a Discord or Harmony to someone, I pray to Vishnu for safety. I still end up getting oneshot by a Widowmaker hitting my toe most of the time.
Zenyatta is a flawed design.
He has shields, but only 100 of them. Mercy has 200 health and heals herself - effectively 200 shields.
Zenyatta wants to be far away from the action, in a nice vantage point, applying his buff/debuff orbs while spamming chokes and peeking cunts with his orbs. But he has no mobility to go anywhere, and must stick to the predictable areas where anyone can get to him. Also, a character that wants to stay in mid-long range from BOTH teams has an ultimate that is all about grouping up with your team? Great design. You either start floating over to your mates and pray to every god that someone doesn't fucking breathe on you on your way there... or you pop it early, wasting duration, just so you can actually fucking get there. One flanker - any flanker - makes Zenyatta worthless. He is so easy to kill that even if you're with your whole team, the flanker WILL get you. He'll die after, probably, but he WILL get you, and a healer pick is worth any flanker's life. And when your ult runs out, you will die. Even if there's just one guy left, he will kill you. You die in less than a second to anyone. A N Y O N E.
Zenyatta can output a shitload of damage on his own, that's true, but he doesn't live long enough to do so. Ever. He's just strictly worse than Mercy at all times.
>>339242587
Bastion isn't OP at all
Fan the Hammer should have a cooldown similar to Helix Rockets or Soundwave.
His insta-kill combo is fine, considering plenty of other characters also have insta-kill combos. (EG: Roadhog's hook combo)
The fact that he can do it twice in a row, however, is idiotic.
>>339267526
zenyatta is a healer who can snipe turrets and rape tanks, he has a good niche considering all the other supports have no long range capabilities. The biggest problem with him is that widowmaker is a popular pick and all she has to do is line up with him at any range and he's dead. If widow gets slightly nerfed expect to see Zen way more often.
Id rather like to see zens R2 buffed though, I honestly never use it and it takes too long to charge and line up a shot.
>>339266650
>Fine at sucking dicks. I mean, that's all D.Va mains want from her anyway.
won't lie
>>339267526
>The fact that there are better options to those 3 in most situations makes them bad.
There literally isn't though. Each of those characters fills a specific niche for team play. Don't cite some nebulous 'top players' when you can't clearly regurgitate whatever the fuck they said.
Lucio needs a nerf because he has literally no weakness and does everything. Name one map he's bad on, at all.
>>339268051
Tracer and Reaper do better at flanking than D.Va does. And every other tank (cept maybe Roadhog) does better at tanking.
Mercy and Lucio are the only two support that should be used.
Symmetra is getting outclassed by other defense characters. Easily.
>There literally isn't though.
Sick argument.
>>339240541
Lol. That's not Junkrat, you posted the wrong image.
>>339268412
>symmetra
>not the absolute best first point support
youre insane. The car wash + teleporter is busted at locking your opponent in the spawn for days. She just becomes useless as the cart moves forward.
>>339254404
>mobility matters on a long distance character
>>339267684
>but he doesn't live long enough to do so.
It's strange, he has super high damage potential.
If he can orb the enemy and get his fully charged shot into them, very few classes could live through that.
But since everyone can see slowly floating over from across the map, there's no way he's going to pull that off.
>>339268523
>Junkrat
>overpowered
Explain further.
>>339268619
It really depends on the map. And it'll work for a few kills "maybe", then when the Lucio pops his ult they'll fuck your squishy defense over and move on.
My point is that most defensive classes do their job well in most situations, while Symmetra is a super situational pick.
That's what defines a low tier character.
>>339268619
>Junkrat appears at car wash
Nah its not really that strong you're just playing with idiots. Try to think about OW in terms of each character being played to its absolute max potential (hard if you havent messed with all of them), and it becomes very difficult to justify picking some characters and not picking others. McCree is literally limited only by the players aim skill because hitscan + high damage + no recoil/low recoil on fan + utility bullshit skills. If he gets his cursor on someone who isn't waaaaaaay shielded, they're dead.
Symettra gets kills if people keep walking into her turrets over and over again instead of AoE on them and then gang raping her slow weak ass. I'd rather just have a Torj or a second McCree at start to gaurentee more than just one or two surprise deaths. I want like a full team kill of surprise deaths.
Here's my opinion on the balance issues with the game after 35 hours of gametime.
>Bastion
Technically speaking, the hero is fine. In a vacuum, he's easy to counter, and can't lock down more than two entrances effectively.
However, the issue is that the mere existence of Bastion turns the game from Overwatch into Kill the Bastion or Protect the Bastion (depending on your team). The whole fucking game begins to revolve around the goddamn Bastion, because the offense team needs him gone to do anything, and the defense team blows everything to make sure he stays up. It's fucking cancerous.
>McREEEEE
The flashbang is fucking bullshit. Like, what the fuck? What. His damage would be justifiable if he couldn't set himself up to reliably deliver it every, what, fucking eight seconds?
>Widowmaker
I feel like this hero was designed with the idea that people will be too shit to land snipes. She's fucking ridiculous. The shots charge too fast, the damage is too high, the machine gun mode is too good, the grappling hook gives her too much mobility, and the ultimate is just batshit insane.
>Hanzo
Arrow hurtboxes are way too big. It's like he's shooting logs, not arrows. Dragon charges way too fast due to recon assists, also.
>Symmetra
Needs a rework. Only playable in niche circumstances that usually don't last.
>D.va
Sucks dick. Needs a rework. Also, it triggers me that a mech pilot's best attack is blowing up the fucking mech.
>Zenyatta
Made of glass, huge hitbox, slow as fuck, no mobility to get to vantage points/away from common ground teeming with Tracers and other shit. Anyone gets within medium range, start running. You might live if you do. Have fun respawning if someone, anyone, manages to flank you. Ult is impossible to use to it's full potential because you die as you move in to pop it or you end up wasting half of it to get in safely. Worst hero, but still viable to play at times. Needs buffs.
>>339268619
>teleporter is busted at locking your opponent in the spawn
Every time I've seen a Symmetra do well, it's been on the coattails of a team that is already easily dominating.
If the enemy can get out of spawn, get on the point, or get the cart moving, none of her shit holds up at all. Her tools rely on the enemy team being distracted. If the two teams are even just evenly matched, none of her gear is going to stay up for a second, and her offensive capabilities on foot rely on very distracted enemies as well.
It's a dogpile class that isn't as good as the other dogpile classes.
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Is Road Dogg not a good hero?
He was the only one I had any fun using in the beta.
>>339241310
kek
>>339270174
He's aight. I'd take him or Reins as the team tank.
>>339270174
He's a terrible tank, but he's good at killing squishes.
>>339269251
>Bastion
You could say that about any character. Oh, the Reinhardt is up focus him. Oh, shit here he is again focus him again. Bastion is fine. Correct cooperation from your team will deny a Bastion any glory.
>McRee
His only gimmick is Fan the Hammer and his Flashbang. He is probably the most balanced of the offense.
>Windowmaker
Her ult is the only thing that bothers me because it should only grant her vision.
>Hanzo
Have not experienced this yet.
>Symmetra
She is extremely situational, but always good on defending
>D.Va
She's not that bad. If they buffed her ram damage I think she would be in a good spot.
>Zenyatta
One of the only champions that does not need buffs. This champion is broke af. Healing nut and Debuff nut are broke. Plop your left nut sack on a teammates let em dive in. Debuff the enemy watch the get literally two shit by a Mercy. Double Zenyatta is ran in "competitive" games.
>You have to remember the game should be balanced around 6v6 and not individual heroes.
(My opinions and comments are shit and not to detail because lack of time to write this.)
>>339270519
>Not using both together
Let Reinhardt march forward with his barrier protecting Roadhog's vulnerable asshole as Roadhog chains people from behind it and wastes them like some sort of tankish, advancing singularity.
>>339270668
>Zenyatta
>broke af
>>339270668
>McCree
>can instant kill everyone but tanks and deal massive damage to tanks in the blink of an eye
>the most balanced character
>>339269659
That's the cases with most classes though -- if the team is incompetent your own effectiveness is shot. I can't tank as Reinhardt if the team won't accept my help. I can't heal well if everyone's as far apart as possible. The squishier DPS character are most effective with a distracted enemy.
>>339271134
Only in close range if you're shit enough to let him get the drop on you.
And other than raw damage as an offense, what utilities does he have? If you take away his damage output, do you know how shit he would be compared to literally every other hero? I challenge you to suggest nerfs for him that wouldn't make him borderline unplayable.
I'm glad /v/ isn't in charge of balancing.
>>339270668
>Calling them champions
>Calling Zen broken
lel
>>339271404
>I challenge you to suggest nerfs for him that wouldn't make him borderline unplayable.
Make the flashbang into an actual "your screen is white now" flashbang rather than a fucking aoe stun? Maybe?
>>339271404
He doesn't have to be close range to hit his combo. Reaper has to be close to rape you. McCree does not.
>>339267684
I completely agree.
At the very least he needs to have his abysmal health replaced with all armour, he's a fucking robot anyway.
But realistically, he could use 25 extra health, possibly 50.
Zenyatta is a blast to play if your team doesn't act like a bunch of retarded Rambo's while leaving you all alone, but its so rare that you actually get a team that will protect you while you discord the enemies that he really needs at least a little more survivability.
Also, I'm so fucking sick of everyone seeing Zenyatta and thinking "oh, well we have a healer already, guess I'll go Widowmaker/McCree/Hanzo" No one ever fucking picks Lucio or Mercy when I play Zenyatta even though he's barely a healer and more of an offensive debuff oriented character.
"STOP PLAYING ZENYATTA HE SUCKS, GO LUCIO"
Fuck you Hanzo, how about you go Lucio
>playing D.Va
>he rolls, stuns me, and right clicks
>shit out of my mech instantly
>mfw 500 health, more than half of it armour, gone in the blink of an eye
>>339246010
>wanting to nerf a tier 4 trashcan hero like bastion because some salty mongoloids cant deal with him
>>339271404
Fan the Hammer is on a cooldown like Lucio's blast back so he can't just spam the fucking move.
Need a way to discourage shitters from complaining about their team.
Yeah I get it, you don't do well if your team is shit. But if you're complaining about no-one pushing the cart as the teams second sniper then maybe go tank and start pushing?
they just need to make his dodge roll not reload his gun because status quo, he just stuns, fans the hammer, rolls, fans again, and literally anything dies; even Tanks at full health
>>339271524
So the afflicted can just spray in the direction they just saw him in and kill him anyway? Yeah, thanks.
>>339271595
Has to be pretty close, sempai. His flashbang only reaches the far end of what I'd call short distance and the fan move really does spread the longer it has to travel.
>>339271631
>No one ever fucking picks Lucio or Mercy when I play Zenyatta even though he's barely a healer and more of an offensive debuff oriented character.
Agreed, I usually pick Zenyatta in the rare situations someone else already picked Mercy/Lucio. In that situation, he makes a very decent off-healer with some additional damage.
It's just stupid how much babysitting he requires to not get instagibbed by anything on the enemy team.
>>339271783
He can Fan the Hammer from like 8 feet away and still kill you in a blink of an eye. It's not even hard with headshots.
I mean his stun even stuns Torb's turrets. It's hilarious.
>Throw stun at Torb.
>Miss, still stuns him and his turrent.
>Fan, roll, Fan.
>His turret and him are dead in a blink of an eye.
It's pretty hilarious.
>>339271631
Here's an idea - shield armor.
It's armor, but it recharges like shields.
And Zen has 200 of it as his whole health pool.
Eh? Eh???
>>339271869
>Someone on my team picks Lucio.
>Pick Zenyatta.
>They switch because I picked a support.
Mccree is the only broken character. The only others I have issue with are Lucio because you don't have to even think about how to support the team just kite around and stay alive and fart into choke points. I don't understand why hanzo has widowmaker's ultimate on a lower cooldown. I wish Symmetra's shields were reworked to be more useful, maybe revert it back to 50 but you can only apply it to 2 targets. T
>>339272007
Good, fuck Torb and his shitty turrets getting 90% of all POTGs.
>>339272057
That's basically Symmetra and Zarya.
>>339272109
ALL OF THE DAY BRO
>>339242527
Genji, I keep destroying McCree by countering his flashbang and start shitting on him.
Just double jump around him a lot to avoid his bullets.
>>339272235
>I'm beating bad players so Genji is a counter
He can throw the flashbang on the ground in front of you and it'll stun
>>339242527
Mei.
Ice block the flashbang
Cancel it instantly
M1 him while jumping around
M2 dead
>>339271767
or
and hear me out now because this might sound crazy
or
you could not stand in melee range of a character who is only useful in that specific range
>>339272057
100 armor 100 shield. Recharging armor is retarded
>>339272543
I love how people act like anyone that's killed by Mcree's BS is just a moron that just stood by and allowed him to get close. Hey, there's a reason people aren't bitching about Reaper, who is also a close-quarters damage class. It's because all a Mcree has to do is jump around a corner, ambush you, run up behind a team, anything, and just flash, hammer, roll, hammer and ANYTHING vaporizes without a chance to react. People can react to a Reaper, but if y your standard non-ultimate rotation vaporizes anything without them being able to react, you're OP
>>339272543
Yeah seriously. Just don't use hallways, or walk around corners, or use any close range hero. I don't understand the problem.
>>339272552
Armor's barely worth giving a shit about.
The one thing that's good about Zenyatta is that he, like the other supports, can "heal" himself. Except that it's shields rather than healing so you have to suck a dick in a corner for a bit until they go back up. Meanwhile, Mercy and Lucio are healing themselves at all times and can stay in the action.
The issue with Zenyatta gaining armor is that his shields apply before the armor does, so you don't get the admittedly small mitigation of the armor, which can mean the difference between surviving on 5 HP and being oneshot. I should know, it's happened to me plenty of times when I had armor from a Torb.
Zen's whole healthpool needs to be shields or armorshields. Even then, he'll still be inferior to the other two supports' constantly regenerating health, though.
>>339263361
>Mei
>Not overpowered
You know how I know you're an idiot?
>>339272881
Mei really isn't. She's just annoying to play against because being frozen is fucking annoying.
>>339263361
mei is unbeatable 1v1 by anyone other than mcree if he can flash+fan her quickly
I agree with the rest though
>Mercy ult has no cast point
>Literally cannot be interrupted in any way short of killing her before she presses the button
>She can press the button while flying
>She can fly towards dead teammates
>Nobody is complaining about this
???????????????
>>339272881
She's not. Any mobile heroes have enough time to react and run from her freeze gun and all longrange heroes completely shit on her if she goes into an open space before covering herself with a wall and pharah and junkrat can just ignore her wall
>>339273056
Reaper destroys her. Zarya destroys her. Tracer can destroy her.
>>339272881
Meanwhile actually good players list her in the lowest tier and think she is pretty much utterly useless.
You know how i know you're an idiot?
>>339273001
She wins any close range encounter except for McCree.
She's got better long range ability with any degree of skill than most classes
Even when caught in her "deadzone" where a class is more effective than her, she can just slam up an icewall.
She's got 250 health so RNG means roadhogs and mccrees combos have a good chance of not killing her, letting her pop her stupidly good heal.
Her heal is THE SINGLE best delaying move in the game. Even if she is caught out of position, her heal gives her team time to move in while you're waiting for her to pop out. If you turn to fight her team, she can just pop out of it and join the fight.
And that's nothing of her incredibly good ult.
No one thing about her is OP, but taken as a whole her skillset is broken.
>>339273432
By "actually good players" you mean you?
lmao you're a dipshit
>>339270668
>I got killed by zenyatta when i was playing McAFee the post
>>339273680
No there are literally several tier lists, based on competitive pickrates.
But i guess dipshit anon knows better than people who junk this game since 6 months.
The only nerfs needed:
McCree's stun-combo, which makes him a monster in 1v1. This is proven by his >100% pick-rate in competetive games. He has no match and out-trades anyone.
Mei's ice-block and Reaper's spectral form being able to cap points or payloads. It should not be possible for invulnerabilities with such a short cooldown to block or make progress on objectives.
For general adjustments, they really need to change the way Reinhardt's shield works. Right now it's practically a must-have in nearly all situations.
I'm generally unhappy with the enormous importance of tank and support characters. Also, the 'balance broken mechanics with even more broken mechanics' approach turns control-point maps into a contest of who can out-ultimate the other.
You cannot break a competent defense by conventional means.
>>339272815
>>339272830
git gud baddies
McCree is a shit character only bads die to
It's simple....we nerf the widow
Uncharged body shots should not kill you in 3 hits. Sniper in tf2 had it right. If you can't headshot that git gud
>>339273126
I'll complain about Mercy when Lucio stops being absolute cancer.
>>339273792
"competitive pickrates" for a competitive scene that doesn't exist?
el em ay oh
>>339274061
TF2 was also a slower paced game. Other than Demonigger and Soldier, not many characters could reach Sniper without getting headshotted.
In OW half the cast has a way to get to Widow or harass her.
>>339274157
It exists. They had tournaments and shit during the beta.
>>339274061
She's vulnerable to flanking. If a Widow gives you problems then ask your Tracer or Genji to do their job. Or just fly into her face with D.Va and force her to retreat. A Widow running away is a useless Widow.In pub games Widow is balanced by 95% of them being shitters. And the remaining 5% are always on the other team.
>>339273548
>She wins any close range encounter except for McCree.
Well yeah, she's designed as a close range hero. Anyone who can put some distance between her renders her irrelevant.
>She's got 250 health so RNG means roadhogs and mccrees combos have a good chance of not killing her
McCree and Roadhog should always be able to kill her. If they can't then they misplayed it, end of discussion.
>>339240541
i personally can't figure out how to play against this character so they must be overpowered!
>>339246792
Which is why Lucio is a bigger problem, mcrees slow ass isn't great for breaking chokes. Lucio boost is legitimately the most broken non ult in the game. It creates situations like 2 mcree meta
>>339274362
Yeah I think Lucio is going to get nerfed soon. He's been at the top for over 2 months now and there's no way Blizzard will ignore that.
>>339271767
Great, let's just break him and make him useless
He's a dedicated tank killer
>>339274982
No Reaper is. McCree is an everyone killer.
>>339273919
>I'm generally unhappy with the enormous importance of tank and support characters
>team-based shooter
Gee, i wonder why?
>>339274157
>>339274262
There's two tournaments going on right now. One is live on taketv. The other starts in a few hours.
>>339275090
Fuck no. Mccree busts tanks better than reaper ever could. Where do you even get the idea that reaper is a tank buster?
>>339274262
Oh so Mei's not OP because of pickrates during the beta before they changed a bunch of shit? okay
>>339274350
Her right click makes her better long range than a majority of heroes.
And no. There is a good chance not enough pellets will land as road hog. Then she presses shift.
Or as mccree you have to flashbang from fairly far away because she'll freeze you before you get point blank. Then if fan the hammer means you land fewer than 4 shots, she'll just press shift.
Yeah, McCree obviously is the winner of the matchup, but he doesn't have quite the instant win he does against 200 hp heroes.
>>339271524
>Tracer now has no real counter besides you outplaying her or getting lucky
Great job making the game significantly worse
>>339275340
Shotgun blasts to the head do a lot of damage.
>>339275329
anyone can make a fucking tournament, it doesn't mean its a real competitive scene. What is the prize pool? Do we have any reason to think the participants are actually any good at all?
>>339240541
I feel like overpowered is kind of a bad description.
He's just imbalanced. Either make it just a 2 second flash and remove the stun, or jack up the cooldown by another 2 or 3 seconds. That would go a long ways.
Mei on the otherhand is OP as fuck.
Anyone who says Lucio is overpowered doesnt play as Lucio
He has little to no offensive capabilites, push is only useful near big ledges and its shit to aim
He dies faster than most, just because hes useful to the team as a whole doesnt make him overpowered as long as you target the support
On the subject of overpowered, vaguely, how do people feel about matches where people pick 3 or more of the same character?
Depending on the character it gets fucking ridiculous.
Also, the most annoying game I've played recently had a Mei on each team at that night-time city map. They just kept putting up fucking icewalls over and over, fucking all the time. Our own Mei was blocking our team in some sort of dick-waving contest with the other Mei.
>>339275668
>Thirty-two teams will battle it out in what has to be considered the biggest Overwatch tournaments to date, Esports Arena’s Agents Rising. This tournament will feature a $10,000 prize pool, the largest prize pool to date, as well as some of the top teams in North America, including the number one team in the world, Cloud9. Unlike previous Overwatch tournaments, Agents Rising is a LAN that will take place at the Esports Areana in Santa Ana, California and includes casting from AskJoshy, FishStix, Jamerson, and TSquared.
inb4 you move the goalposts again.
>>339275730
I can't even imagine this post coming from a lucio main
You must be him
> he dies faster than most
You have median health and you're constantly healing yourself
>>339240541
Dont agree. He's one of the strongest chars in CQC, but I wouldn't call him OP.
>>339240541
>most picked offense in competetive play
<usually run 2 of them
anyone who says he isnt overpowered or at least above other characters is fucking stupid
>>339241796
he has no drop you fucking idiot not only that but no travel time
hes broken at all ranges
>>339276289
>he has no drop you fucking idiot
But that's completely wrong.
>>339261108
This. Being slow means he's free food for people like roadhog but if he was faster he'd be elder-god-stupid-op tier
>>339271674
This.
>pick Genji, Hanzo, Widow or Pharah
>drink Bastion tears
Probably a few others are good too when flanking correctly like McCree or Reaper, but yea.
>>339245769
t. widowmaker shitter who needs to git gud
>>339275340
Tanks are big targets, making every shotgun blast completely hit. That chunks tanks like a motherfucker.
Reaper IS a dedicated tank killer.
>>339275519
>Her right click makes her better long range than a majority of heroes.
Are you retarded? Not only is it not hitscan, it had damage fall off. If you're losing to a Mei at long range you need to uninstall pronto.
>There is a good chance not enough pellets will land as road hog
Like I said, it's a learn2play issue. The only character he should have trouble with landing all his pellets on is Lucio.
>Or as mccree you have to flashbang from fairly far away because she'll freeze you before you get point blank
You do realize he wins from far away due to his hitscan revolver, right? And if he does need to get close, he just needs to combat roll into flashbang. McCree has ALL the initiative vs Mei: no excuse if you lose to her at all.
Is Torbjorn overpowered? I consider myself fairly average, yet I keep going 20-0 in defence with him.
>>339275519
>There is a good chance not enough pellets will land as road hog. Then she presses shift.
RBM -> hook (cancels RBM animation) -> LBM (headshot) -> melee
Literally kills mei every time if you aim properly.
>>339276695
low mmr bracket with shitters who cant deal basically
>>339276695
You're vs shitters who refuse to pick counters to torbjorn like pharah. Once people actually focus your turrets, you'll realise he's pretty balanced
>>339276695
Torbjorn is low tier but a staple of defense in casual play
You're still most likely playing against bads though
EVERYTHING depends on your team.
Have a team of people who actually knows how to play a videogame and you'll wreck any opposition.
Sadly, it's very rare to get paired with a normal group. Most of the time you'll be playing with lone wolfs running all over the map with no situational awareness what so ever.
It's absolutely infuriating.
>>339276149
>$10,000
>among 6 people
Wow it's fucking nothing
>>339267684
you hide behind reinds or other tanks so you can't be hit.
Zen's orb of discord also increase your enitre team's damage against any enemy hit with it, pretty fucking powerful.
>>339275730
I'm a Lucio main and no he doesn't die easy, he has decent health, constant healing and can escape if need be. I honestly wouldn't begrudge a slight nerf.
>>339242563
Back in the beta literal retards were complaining about her ult
>>339277196
Remember when I said you'd move the goalposts? I love being right.
>>339276673
At range she beats genji, reaper, tracer, junkrat, tor, d.va, reinhardt, roadhog, winston, zarya, lucio, mercy, and symmetra
>If you learn to play, you can control RNG
K
No fucking shit mccree wins vs mei. Could you please learn to fucking read you mongoloid? The issue is his combo is harder to guarantee a kill with before she pops her heal. The issue is that even her "hard counters" don't actually counter her very well because she can just delay until her teammates get there and take out the problem.
Objectively Correct list.
Only made more correct if you look at the recent Tournament for Overwatch going on Twitch.
McCree murders the entire cast with 1 fan - and kills tanks with 2 fans.
Hes garbage at long range - luckily Overwatch is filled with tight corridors and corners where avoiding his stun is impossible.
Widow is good because shes a classic sniper.
Lucio could use a slight nerf - hes hard to kill due to constantly regen'ing HP and can also knock people into hazards.
>>339277714
Move the goalposts? I asked what the prize money was because it was probably shit. Turns out it IS shit. The goalposts weren't moved you just confirmed the fucking question.
>>339248259
you can't hit the motherfucker unless you have really good accuracy and high look sensitivity if they're good. they can meme around avoiding your shots with all of his mobility bullshit. his shurikens shred everything if you can lead them.
>>339277771
>At range she beats support and close range heroes at long range
Say it ain't so!
Also, she doesn't actually beat Dva or Reinhardt or Winston at range since she won't be able to kill them.
>K
What range? A headshot from Roadhog's shotgun at melee range is an insta-kill and Mei is no exception.
>The issue is his combo is harder to guarantee a kill
It really doesn't. Flashbang + fan the hammer = 420 damage.
git gud
>>339256301
>Too much HP for his speed
I swear this nigger is unkillable sometimes with his passive heal. Chasing his ass and unloading 3 clips as Tracer into him and he's still not fucking dead.
>>339257980
That's Soldier 76 or Junkrat
>>339265189
Toblerone has to be the most anti-fun character in the entire game, with Mei coming in second though.
He revolves around being a nigger and throwing down turrets that autotrack you and force you to switch in a Widow. Most of the time you can't outright kill him if he's well-guarded or knows how to hide, so he'll just throw another turret down somewhere else. Most characters will have their health halved just walking around a corner with a turret there, and certain squishies like Tracer just die instantly unless they have really quick reflexes. His rivet/shotgun is really powerful, which doesn't make sense.
>>339279008
The turret being able to see you instantly and shoot at you with 100% accuracy is pretty retarded.
>>339277790
this is a good list imo. as someone who mains zenyatta i keep wanting to switch to lucio but zens ult is too good
The tryharding in this thread triggers me so hard.
Competitive fags will kill this game fast.
Look at SC2, look how competitive it is right now.
>all these salty mccree pickers
What will you play when Blizzard nerfes him?
>>339269104
>hitscan
?
His bullets are really slow for me, and take a noticeable amount of time to hit.
>>339277790
As someone who played Medic and now plays Mercy I don't feel like I'm helping my team as much and they don't stay alive as well as I could with a mercy.
And people always say the Mercy is a pocket healer but I've never played medic that way and being able to jump to anyone on a 2 second cooldown really helps me heal EVERYONE.
Besides, she also gets a free kritz whenever she wants to give it.
>>339277790
got tier is pretty correct but the rest of this is a mess like pharah and bastion are too high zarya and genji are too low
>>339280282
>And people always say the Mercy is a pocket healer
100% wrong dont listen to anyone who says that you should be bouncing around healing who you can without dying and boosting an offenses damage
>>339272007
>It's not even hard with headshots
You can't headshot when you're fanning the hammer. Your opinion has been discarded.
McCree is not overpowered, he is indeed a beast when he gets in close range, but he has shit mobility and evasion when compared with pretty much all the other Offensive classes. He's balanced.
>>339281569
>stun grenade
>2 free kills if you hit 2 people
He's overpowered. Nobody else can kill that effortlessly.
>>339272815
The difference is that McCree can't do shit when he's caught offguard. Reaper can. He can turn into a Wraith and disappear. He also has a easier time flanking people because he can teleport anywhere.
>>339281847
That's blatantly false. First off, good luck getting a flashbang that hits two people, secondly, the flashbang barely has enough time to get someone stunned long enough for you to fan the hammer on them. So the second person that got stunned and didn't get targeted first definitely has the ability to move by the time McCree thinks about aiming for him.
>>339245769
then who is supposed to act as her hard counter you salty fuck? Playing le ebin mlg snipers is doesn't not mean your camping ass is invincible. See a mcree then find a new spot and kill him when he is not looking at you.
>>339278030
Do you know what spread is you anime posting shit licker?
>>339283245
you're not allowed to talk shit about anyone when you're throwing flashbangs at a reinhardt's shield like a pug shitter
I've never seen a mcree kill with his left click. It's always high noon or right click.
>>339283515
>Spread
>At point blank range
Never play Roadhog; you'd be doing your team a disservice.
>>339283817
It was just on the off chance he let it down or turned. Didn't really matter.
>>339284061
Yes you fucktard. The spread is huge. Anime posters seriously need to be rounded up and put down.
Anyone who says mei is overpowered is just salty they got killed by her. Any nerf would make her practically the weakest character in the game.
They balanced him pretty nicely after the nerf.
Only bullshit is his flashbang which is basically a guaranteed kill but that can be circumvented by staying away.
>>339284530
yup they already nerfed her too, she used to have 300 hp
Why the hell is Roadhog categorized as a tank?
he doesn't have anything to protect his team, he's just a fatfuck with insane combo damage who can sustain himself.
Wouldn't he be more suited for the Defense role?
>>339283947
The only time I've killed with a left click is poking from range.
>>339284530
Or they could actually balance her around her skillset of area control and setting up kills for her teammates.
Nerf her right click so it can't headshot frozen targets.
Buff her left click so she can freeze multiple targets.
>>339240541
Not really. Maybe lessen the damage on his right click but that's it.
Lucio, Widomaker and Mei are worse.
>>339284404
>Anime posters seriously need to be rounded up and put down.
Don't cut me with that edge, redditor.
Here's some more to make you saltier.
>>339284404
>The spread is huge.
>Clearly using McCree wrong.
4/10 must be bait.
>>339247000
Heavy was considered garbage-tier in competitive TF2 until Natascha memes happened, and it was banned.
Pyro is considered joke-tier in competitive TF2, but competitive players agree that Pyro is an annoying, unfun meme to play against as his kit revolves around trying to shut down projectile players and rely on gimmicks.
Put those together and you get Mei, who is not overpowered but literally the most unfun thing in the game.
>pick McCree every time, even if there's another McCree
>literally get 30 eliminations a game
>completely shut down enemy flankers
>mfw
>>339256301
They tried giving him 150 health, it didn't work out so they buffed it back up.
Also Zen needs more health, it's bullshit that any retarded WM can one shot him.
>>339285749
I know school's out for the summer, but you should find a better hobby than being a weeb
>>339285923
We were talking about roadhog, dip
McCree's right click is still enough spread that you need to be point blank, which, since she can freeze you, is harder than other heroes.
>>339240541
>mfw my Junkrat nade kills him the same time he uses his stun on me
>rarely play mccree
>when i play mccree i never find a good opportunity for high noon
>i do 1 where i get a kill all game and the rest is just me cancelling it
>>339242210
What game is that?
>those fuckfaces that always pick mccree for the kills instead of changing heroes to win the damn game
>>339286665
kys, you literally have to get 3 in one ult to be considered a good mccree player:^)
>>339281569
>shit mobility
>has the roll which reloads his gun and gives him great mobility denial is the first stage you mccree main
>>339245769
You do realize hanzo is useless as long as widowmaker exists in the game?
>>339286715
iktf
pisses me off, this isn't CoD
>>339257023
aim to rmb into hook into lmb then melee
le high noon man is a little bitch and he will die before he can use his ult
>>339286886
Offensively, it's a good move. Defensively, it helps him none. That dodge-roll ain't getting you out of tricky situations unless you already flash banged and/or successfully fanned the hammer on someone.
>>339241063
OVERCONFIDENCEIS A SLOW AND INSIDIOUS KILLER
>>339263146
>implying "competetive" matters one week after release
>>339286706
Mr. Figs Giant Monster Hunt
If you can't break a bastion and Toblerone defense on the point you may as well kill yourself now.
ITS
>>339289831
PARTY
>>339290820
TIME
>>339241063
GAYS
Reminder
>aynone can shitstomp pubs with mccree's flash+fan
>every competitive match has at least 3 mccrees, the most picked hero by far
>but he's not broken
Keep feasting on the blizzard dick, even they have admitted that he's too good.
>>339286004
>Asanagi
Mah nigga
>>339240541
when you are playing against a shit ton of tanks you either bring mccree or bend over
>>339290937
P-A-R-T
Why?
>>339286392
>We were talking about roadhog, dip
So am I.
Retard.
How come I never see anyone complaining about Roadhog? I'd have to say 80% of my deaths are from him or McCree.
Even when I know the other team has one and I try to stay out of his range, he'll still get me because that hook's range is incredibly long. It even has a 7 second cooldown, why does he get a free kill every few seconds? There are times where I've been fighting him after he's missed a hook, pressed his heal to gain god mode, and then hook me again. At least with McCree you can keep away from close range, but Roadhog can get you from many more places.
>>339294625
Because road hog is free ult. Most people fucking love seeing a road hog on the enemy team, because he's just a big meaty tank designed to channel your free kill button.
>ITT casual trash disagree with competitive tier lists
McCree is a top tier hero in all scrims and matches at this point in time. FACT
>>339241063
his charged attack can 1shot weaker heroes if you just hide behind a wall, peek out and pop 'em
>>339245769
>people crying about this post
>it's literally what blizz said
Bitch all you want but he will be changed as they have already expressed concern that he can outsnipe snipers while being a close range skirmishing god
>Every single person in my team is someone i already maked as "avoid this player"
Is the game dead already or the marking just doesnt work?
>>339296502
You're a moron. Blizzard already took care of McCree's insane damage and accuracy. It has damage fallout and he's not very good at long range now. He's fixed now.
>>339296669
Jesus Christ, how many fucking people do you mark as "avoid this player", everyone you lose along with? Christ.
>>339293283
Actually got got it wrong. Every comp match has 2 mcrees, and around 3 Lucios.
>>339267684
>Every single time I peek out to apply a Discord or Harmony to someone, I pray to Vishnu for safety.
Lost my shit right there
>Every fucking game i play has multiple mcrees and widowmakers
>All fun is now sucked out because of try hards
Thanks blizz.
> Genji is totally a hard counter, guys!
> Throw flashbang on ground near Genji
> Literally impossible to reflect
>>339283947
>not sniping Pharah's slow ass out of the sky
>>339296812
Everyone who refuses to change characters when the team needs it.
Im tired of going Tank without support or support without tank because my team has 2 widowmakers and a Hanzo
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