Everyone agrees he is overpowerd right?
>>339240541
of course
>>339240541
>McRee
>overpowered
you mean widowmaker
>>339240541
Yes.
>>339240541
No, in fact he's underpowered
>>339240541
>tfw you stun smug reinhardt over his faggy shield and gun him down
>he anticipates this and tries to charge me
>dodge roll to the side and still gun him down
>pfft.....nothin personal kid
feels so good to know I can kill him any time
>>339240541
As somebody who plays Tracer, Pharah, Soldier, and Reinhardt, no he's not.
People get killed by him, get salty, want him nerfed.
Hes balanced as of now.
made
of
glass
>extremely effective at every range
>A GOD DAMN STUN THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MISS
>easy to play effectively
>has NO hard counter in a game about COUNTERS
>has ONE downside being his ultimate ability is not good for killing but can still deal great damage and demands an entire teams attention
i dont know you tell me if he is op
>>339240541
He's not overpowered though. His stuns literally only hit things a foot away from him. The people who think mccree is overpowered are the ones who main the heroes that he counters, they get salty because they don't want to switch when they run into a team that has a competent one
Anyone who says no is shit because he's busted beyond belief.
There's a reason him and lucio have over 100% pick rate per team in the competitive scene.
That's on average, more than one McBroken on both teams at any given point in a match.
>>339241063
All the Better for looking through INTO THE IRIS
>>339241029
>>339241158
Six rounds... more than enough to kill anything that moves.
He's not OP because of some shitty flashbang or shitty karate roll. He's OP because when he busts his 6 round nut on your stomach you're fucking dead, kid. Good luck reacting!
>>339241131
>has No hard counter in a game about COUNTERS
Genji can deflect his stun back at him
Roadhog eats up his stun + fan combo and can blast him away
Phara can avoid his stun completely by just staying the fuck away from him and hovering
>820 burst
>Literally a one man tank buster with a stun
He attracts a lot of shitters but a good one is a goddamn nightmare
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>>339240541
You're right. Make McCree a girl and it balances out.
>cowboy revolver waifu
>>339241472
The only tank he fucks up is reinhardt because he can just walk through the shield and stun him, or just toss it over his head. Zarya can save herself from the stun with her shield, D.va can use her reflect. Roadhog is neutral to Mccree. If he gets hooked, Roadhog wins. If Mccree gets the roll + fan off, he wins.
>>339241629
Why do you keep talking about his other skills like they're important? He does a million damage in a hyper second with accuracy limited only by your skill with a mouse and at hella range, all the other shit is just luxury goods on top.
>>339241131
>extremely effective at every range
No, he's not. He's passable at long, okay at mid, and godlike in close.
>A GOD DAMN STUN THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MISS
Just don't be in his face, it's distance is laughable.
>has NO hard counter in a game about counters.
What is Genji, who can reflect his own stun against him, as for soft counters, S76 can kill him with a helix into 3 shots and he's popped.
Try experimenting for once and you might learn something. Or just look it up online if trying and failing hurts your pride to much.
>>339241421
Pharah isn't a counter to shit though because she's so vulnerable.
Oh I guess she's a counter to Junkrat for what matters then. But if anyone has hitscan they're a counter. Anyone with near hitscan projectiles is a counter. There's no medkits in the air.
>Genji reflect
Like saying Spy can go behind and stab medics in comp TF2.
Roadhog is generally not that useful, almost to the point if you pick him on anything outside KotH you're becoming a detriment to your team.
Real counters to McCree is simply snipers and turrets.
>>339241375
He's also one of the slowest fuckers in the game, so if you're dumb enough to get close enough for him to flash and/or FTH at you you literally just have yourself to blame.
>>339241796
How is he not effective at long range? If you can click on moving clusters of pixels than you can murder shit at whatever distance.
>>339241796
>I'm retarded
Permanently accurate long range for great damage, beats Soldier and Widowmaker AR's damage.
Even outside of fan spam range he's effective in a team.
>>339241876
>close enough
lol k i missed the part where distance or the flash matters and not the part where you just get domed in .01 seconds by minigun mccree
>>339241876
>Slowest fuckers
Everyone has the same run speed dumbass.
>>339240541
literally worst character in the game
>>339241989
dumbest post I've seen all day familam
>>339241989
I hate McCree but still come on bro. McCree ain't going nowhere as fast as Pharah or Lucio. Maybe faster than D.VA if the distance is short and her cooldown is on.
>>339241796
>No, he's not. He's passable at long, okay at mid, and godlike in close.
He deals 35-70 dmg per shot and the bullet has no travel time. How is that passable and ok at long and mid range respectively?
The only ones that rival him at long range is Widowmaker and 76 while at mid range few are even on par.
>>339242096
Because for hyping overwatch as much as he did he's probably only played it for three hours or up to rank 4 and maybe even missed the open beta.
>>339241796
>No, he's not. He's passable at long, okay at mid, and godlike in close.
This is like saying this fucker was bad at long and mid range.
>First Bastion was overpowered
>Then Torbjorn was overpowered
>Then D.Va was overpowered
>Then Junkrat was overpowered
>Then Mei was overpowered
Oh look! It's McCree's turn!
If you play anyone with a shotgun he beats you and if you play someone at mid range it's who has better aim. So he is like never at a disadvantage.
I'm a bad shot so despite doing good meta wise I never rake in many kills and therefore aren't nearly as effective as I should be, forever getting grouped with other shitters.
This has one advantage though.
McRees are fucking garbage in my cesspool and "HIGH NOON" has become a "here I am, kill me now please" that never ceases to get old.
>>339242042
>>339242052
>runspeed
>>339242327
I still think Mei is shit, and Widowmaker too. I never claimed the others were because I'm not retarded. Obviously can't prove that, and even if I could you'd find another way to delude yourself.
>>339242443
Who the fuck just runs in Overwatch? Unless you're McCree?
>>339242327
Who counters him tho
>>339242327
I must have passed out at that day because I never have seen people complaining about D.Va being overpowered.
If anything people still complain why her shotguns don't do any damage across the map.
>>339242327
>Things that never happened
Bastion is still technically OP by the way if only for having more sweets than he reasonably needs with a self-repair. Would have been more reasonable to give him a slower firing AP/zoom alt fire instead.
Mei is definitely still OP.
McCree was always OP according to comp.
D.Va was NEVER OP, holy shit what are you talking about.
>>339242525
Literally everyone without a jetpack runs retardo.
>>339242327
>Then D.Va was overpowered
please explain the one moment in time my waifu got any respect
>>339242017
Like every competitive team picks him twice.
>>339242587
>lucio skates
>mei icewalls
>junkrat bomb hops
>genji
>hanzo
>fucking goddamn winston
Okay dude. You got me. Are you intentionally stupid?
IT'S
>>339242667
>I'm literally retarded
How does an Icewall help you move faster? Won't get you to the objective or killing range faster.
Junkrat's concjump is a fixed arc that only gives you verticality before you slow down and you may as well have run the distance.
Hanzo is a slow ass fucker you retard, he can just climb a ledge once in a while.
>Jetpack
Get some reading comprehension.
>>339242327
You're an idiot and even Blizzard has officially stated McCree needs to be toned down and decide whether he's a midrange skirmisher or a long range damage because right now he performs both roles flawlessly.
Mcree is the only hero with a 100% pick rate in competitive tournaments.
>>339242869
They're all movement skills that can get you into sweet shortcuts that McCree would have to go find a staircase to walk his fat ass up. Do you not realize how that is a huge difference in his mobility compared to other characters, even IF his walk speed is the same? Yes? Following? Because I really hate having to spell things out.
>>339242906
>Blizzard has officially stated McCree needs to be toned down
Gonna need some hot source on that m8
>>339242993
You'd have already seen the tweet if you did any amount of lurking Overwatch threads.
>>339242972
Basic movement speed isn't that same for all characters though.
>>339240541
Git gud
change anything about mcree and he will become worthless
>>339243743
Yes I know. Tracer hauls ass with just her regular run. Not to mention all her dashes. The dude's original statement of movement speeds being the same was retarded, but he was also wrong about the assumption he made on flawed info too, so I wanted to say why he was extra wrong.
Also I didn't even get into Reaper's or Tracer's teleports, or Mercy's glide.
And again, McCree being hugely immobile doesn't even matter because he's a fucking monster.
>>339243997
Unequivocally false. Did you even think your statement through?
>>339243997
Exactly, he's one of those characters that needs to be changed entirely or removed from the game. I doubt the latter will happen, but if blizzard was to completely change him, everybody who likes Mcree is going to have a bitchfit about it. It's times like these I'm glad I'm not a game developer.
>>339240541
turn flashbang into a skillshot (no aoe bullshit) and he is fixed.
Yep, even Blizzard has acknowledged it. Can't wait till the banhammer hits because I know he'll be useless for months afterward.
>>339240541
>American character is overpowered
>In american game
Wew lad
>>339244118
Just make his flashbang actually a flashbang and not a stunlock
>>339242993
I would also like to see this. And if they have said anything about the powerlevel of sniper in the game. Her ult needs to just effect her. She also shouldn't be able to spam her rifle.
McCree just needs to allow a person to use an escape tool in the fan stun combo. There are so many in the game that just can't save you due to start up time not being as fast as the 800 damage jammed into your stomach.
Mei just needs to have her slow actually build up into a freeze and not:
>0 seconds
slowed 80%
>1 second
slowed 90%
>2 seconds
frozen
Aparently she freezes the target after 70 damage has been sprayed. I would rather it just keep doing damage like Winston but after a set time in the spray you are frozen.
>>339243997
make his fan the hammer shots do 45 damage instead of 60 and make his flashbang not do damage
>>339244138
But the flashbang is fine. The easiest eay to fix McCree is give a small cool down so he can shoot as fast as you can click. Boom, no more burst damage, no more bullshit. They could even up his per shot damage for all I care. Just don't let him be able to jizz out a tank character's worth of HP from his ejaculation machine.
Not OP, but most fights with him are decided when he hits or misses his flashbang. Getting fanbanged is fucking annoying too.
>>339244507
it's like impossible to miss
>>339240541
I actually had someone compliment me for playing McCree and not killing them with a flashbang+fan.
m1 kills > m2 kills > E+M2 kills
Can't wait for the McRee only weekly brawl.which is coming, this isn't wishful thinking or some kind of pitch
>>339244595
Wow, you're so cool for going above and beyond a combo intended for the character.
No, the only overpowered character in the game is a fat Asian woman with way too much survivability for someone who isn't a tank who can make walls that absorb so much damage that you're not destroying any of it before it goes away on it's own and can completely shut down anyone just by holding M1 in their general direction
and God forbid you ever get the upper hand on her for once because then she can just Ice Block and build a wall right out of it and get away without even trying
>>339243257
Are you sure it's not people posting old dev comments from beta. McCree was LOTS stronger in beta, as was Bastion. Devs made comments about nerfing both of them back then.
>>339244661
Use the right tool for the right situation. Not every kill requires a flashbang. Learning to kill shit that doesen't require the stun without it and you'll be a better player.
>>339244668
Your fault for stepping into her pathetically small range.
>>339244661
To be fair I think McCree is at his most broken when he isn't even trying to fuck with close quarters, just getting that sweet six round unload on some unsuspecting shmoe on a continual hit and run mission. Flashbang and roll are just bonus skills for if you round a corner and your supposed hard counter is there. Also not that guy you replied to.
>>339244767
Right click
>>339240541
>BAMF
Oh for fuck's sake.
>>339242527
snipers.
roadhog's hook.
bastion at range.
anyone who can shoot further than 10m and still do decent dmg.
>>339245464
>Roadhog hooks me
>flashbang
>fan
>roll
>fan
Nothin personnel pardner
>>339240894
McRee shouldn't be able to shoot a Widow from across the map. The only character who should be able to kill at extreme range is Hanzo and that's because he's the other sniper.
>>339245769
I kill widows from across the map with 76 and Genji
>>339241421
His best counter is himself, that's how you know any class is broken. Neck yourself, McCree apologist.
>>339245812
I'm talking one to two shots before you can react. Not plinking damage.
>>339245769
candyass
>>339245769
>I play Widow everytime and I literally want to be invincible
>>339240541
mcree and bastion will be the first to get the nerf bat, i hope they slap recoil and spread on bastion watch the shitters sit their and spray walls crying
mccree is easy to counter. gengi is aids as fuck.
>>339246000
Nice trips. Also I play support widow. Taking out turrets, using the ult to recon for the team and staying mobile. I should be squishy as fuck. I don't think Cool Hand Luke should be a counter sniper.
>>339246010
bastion is the fucking easiest counter in the game. only fucking plebs have a hard time with him.
>>339245769
Literally get good.
>>339246140
No u
>>339246126
I am pretty sure at this point that if you don't have a problem with McCree yet, it's because for some reason you havrnt put two and two together that hitscan + high damage + no recoil + no cool down between shots = a sniper but better.
The only op character is Mei. Cowboy already got nerfed because of bullet drop off.
>>339240541
That fucking flash + right click combo
>>339246284
I have, I don't have any issues with Mccree as widow.
>>339245680
this literally never happens against roadhogs who know what they're doing
you are stunned the whole time while roadhog does his hook+shotgun+melee combo that oneshots you
>>339246429
It's less issues and more an annoyance that they can do the same thing as me using a revolver while I'm using a sniper rifle. If isn't impossible or difficult just annoying.
>Everyone including "competitive" players seem to think McCree is broken due
>In a game where Zarya exists.
I mean, holy fuck are people dumb or do they really not want to move out of sucking Reinhardt's dick.
It's a fucking miracle people can't start using the entire hero pool to play something outside of their comfort zone and this goes for the competitive players too, it's no wonder why the "meta" becomes stale as fuck when even the best players are afraid to counter pick properly.
>>339246623
He does like 30-50 damage from long range you do 150 it's no where near the same or an annoyance.
>>339246352
This is my issue. He's killable sure but his only counter is to gang up on him.>>339246364
>>339240541
Turn the stun into an actual flashbang and I won't mind anymore.
I've seen you fags say literally every character is overpowered now.
Do you jokers just get shot by someone then jump to make a thread about it?
>>339246634
>zarya has 400 health
>don't shoot her shields
she's balanced.
the reason why double mcree is really strong in competetive teams is because they just get speedboosted in by lucios and start a team fight by instantly killing 2 opponents.
while also being useful on their own and at range.
>>339246679
Ignoring High noon and the fact that he is accurate as fuck with no recoil or delay between rounds.
>>339246364
She's only a problem if you 1v1 her. The real counter to Mei isteamwork.
>>339241131
I fuck him up with D.VA everytime
>>339246753
That's not really functionally different since you're still going to die unless you make it blind him too unless he's far enough way that he can't.
>>339240541
Reaper counters him hard. He just sneaks up on you and instagib you.
>>339240541
Even if he isn't flasbang is the single worst designed skill in the game.
>mccretard
>>339244668
Literally considered lower than trash tier by the good players.
>>339246821
You would of hated him back in beta he use to have 0 damage drop off at range.
>>339246935
Nah. His stun is more then enough time to kill. Even if you sneak up he can roll and panic throw.
>>339246792
It's not just about shooting the shields, it's her being present in a team that's already forcing the enemy to accomodate to her shields.
The shields absorb a single hit from practically anything, D.Va self destruct, McCree Ult, Junkrat Tire, you name it. Zarya is also the only tank in the entire game that makes Mei virtually useless and even if she decides to reset with a block, Zarya can already put up another shield to avoid getting frozen.
Add to that that she has terrifying offense in situations where she actually wants to get hit (absorbing damage ultimates etc) and the fact that just her being present and giving other people shields increases her damage output IS a major boon that people overlook.
Oh, and largely the immunity to being fanned to death by a McCree and HP pool made up of shields.
>Tfw getting insta killed as a fucking full health Winston by that fucker.
>>339247004
Trust me I'm aware of that bullshit. He was more annoying then.
>>339246409
Ive been telling people this is cheap as hell all through out the beta, but nobody listened apparently.
>>339247201
It's a garunteed kill unless you're literally having an aneurysm.
>>339247104
poor Winston with his huge head
Flash's range is shit though, you have to be really close to him to get killed by the combo
>>339247267
I have shit aim and poor bullet management so I rarely pull it off.
>>339247030
Cant really do much when you`re dead.
>>339240541
He's not overpowered, it's the other characters that are underpowered.
Buff the rest of the cast.
>genji is a counter to mcree
>mcree just spams the 6 shots until he forces genji to use the block
>flashbangs him
>kills him
>>339247971
Genji honestly seems kinda shit sometimes.
>>339248259
He's a one trick pony. Now that everyone's wised up to him, he's useless.
>>339240541
Every hero in this game is overpowered in what they do, that is the whole point of it.
>>339248663
>D.Va
>>339240541
It's annoying to have to save recall just for him as Tracer.
Also, flashbang>>fanhammer>combatroll>fanhammer drops anything.
>>339248515
It could be pretty cool if his delfect was actually an aoe so he could support his team a little more. Not with the same cooldown/active time of course.
As it stands he just exists to run around the backline and fuck with supports/defense.
Also he should be able to deflect Dva's ult.
>>339248259
His ultimate is fucking underwhelming. At least it should give him some HP.
>>339249579
>>Also he should be able to deflect Dva's ult.
That's retarded.
McCree is only good when he fucks you up at close range. If you're losing to a McCree from mid to long range, then you suck ass.
>>339242946
Nope. Lucio as well.
I think Lucio needs to be nerfed more urgently than McCree, not a big nerf, but take away 50 HP from him. He should be squishier considering his insane mobility and AoE healing.
>>339240541
name one hard counter to le-cree
pro tip, you cant
>>339245820
Here you go m8
>>339250894
Widowmaker/Genji
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEN06UA9BrU
>>339242858
low
>>339245263
I'm not a cowboy, what does bamf mean?
>>339250894
McCree
>>339251190
>enemy team keeps comming out 1 by 1 and no one picks winston
This guy can obviously aim and is pretty decent but the enemy team are just complete retards
>>339242587
I would like to point out that zenyatta doesn't run anywhere and he doesn't have a jet pack friendo
>>339251772
badass motherfucker
>>339240541
With bubble shield, yes. But he's still Pharah's little bitch.
>>339245769
mccree can do max 70 damage at long range and thats on headshot, if a widow is dying to that then it's a scrub widow
He's only good in the hands of someone who can aim.
McCree, Lucio, and Widow are the only objectively overpowered heroes.
>>339252526
Kek are you serious
>>339240541
He can kill you ez if he catches you unawares
That's it
If he's on the other team take care to never be in the open too long so when he ukties you can just duck behind
He's very strong against inexperienced and like most heroes who are, people think that means he's op. Like bastion kek. Just flank him
>nerf whats good
>now get to see 2 tracers in every game because nobody acknowledges how fucking ridiculous she is
keep walking into these lone wolf situations and get this fuck nerfed so you can make this game even more annoying. i'm sure you guys know how miserable a double tracer game is.
>>339240541
>shit mobility
>low health
Nah.
I always love the threads about Mei and McCree being overpowered while this guy's rolling around in his current form.
>>339254978
Really wouldn't say hes OP, Mercy is still a fine healer and arguably better on Defense.
Its more than Zenyatta is a tissue and Symmetra isnt a healer.
>>339256182
He needs to be squishier. Has too much HP for his speed and the fact he heals on AoE
He's easily the most overpowered character in the game.
>People think Mei is OP
>Mei is just bad McCree with a delay and single target limitation on the stun
>These same people think McCree is fine l2p
Why is the Overwatch playerbase so retarded?
>>339256182
>Really wouldn't say hes OP
This means that you are wrong and the things you have said are wrong. He's the best character on the whole god damn roster by a huge margin.
>>339240541
He is not even using his second revolver yet.
He can melt tanks down in seconds with his M2. He needs a damage nerf.
>>339240541
His flash bang should not be in the game.
>>339240541
That's the secret, Captain... everyone is overpowered.
>>339256468
>Be mei
>duel mccree
>He tries to flashbang me
>instantly ice Block
>get out of it
>freeze him and takes him down easy
Wow that was hard. Maybe all these """"pros """" should l2p since there is tons of counter play against mccrees easy to dodge flashbang
>>339256543
>This means that you are wrong and the things you have said are wrong
Great argument, youll fit right in here
>>339242327
Torbjorn and D.Va have never been overpowered. Mei's just a piece of shit who makes the game miserable for the other 11 people playing.
McCree can literally kill every character that's not a tank in half a second, and he can kill the tanks too or a second enemy if you take the roll into account.
>Be Piggu
>Can hookfunmelee most people down
>Mcree, Blackguy and Icebitch always seem to survive
Do they have more health or am I doing something wrong?
>>339256543
>someone being a good character means he is OP
Go home, Randy.
Probably not, but he's the most brain-dead unskilled hero you can choose.
>>339257023
Hook, Bodyshot, melee to make sure.
>>339240541
Yeah, everyone but you is overpowered. You're the only one who's underpowered. Just like in life.
/thread
>>339258236
>>339257675
Talk about some asspained McCree players here.
>>339254978
mercy does more damage than him. He's mandatory in team comps but not OP whatsoever
I'm actually impressed by the balance in OW, nobody is OP. The only changes I would make are light buffs on pharah and d.va, and give zenyatta just like 5 more hp so that he isn't one-shot by so much.
>>339242906
actually Blizzard has said they are pretty hesitant to nerf McCree because raw killing power is literally the only thing he brings to a team.
76 has healing beacon, Tracer, Genji and Reaper make for great advance scouts, even both snipers bring quite a bit of utility thanks to wall hacks. McCree's got nothing except for high damage.
>>339240541
how does his ult even work
>>339241063
Zen would be perfect if they just made him faster.
Since you need LoS for heals, the dude needs to get around.
It will also help with his survive.
>stun grenade counters 90% of the cast
Yes, he has no hard counter besides widow.
No one in this game is overpowered.
No one in this game is underpowered.
Every hero is good, every hero is meant for certain tasks, and it's up to you to determine what your task is and what the team matchup is currently like. If something is unfair in your perception, YOU are doing something wrong. I promise. Hit me with the excuses but that won't change.
Within the realm of what your team needs, play who you enjoy. I like to do McCree for offense, Mei for defense, and occasionally the ever-versatile Roadhog. Have fun everybody.
Only complaint I have about the game character wise, besides the one's who are useless as of now.
>>339241421
>roadhog eats up his stun
Roadhog needs at least 421 health to do so, and if the roadhog misses a single shot / hook as the mcree dodges left or right, then he's dead.
>>339240541
See you, space cowboy.
>>339262324
>Every hero is good, every hero is meant for certain tasks,
In every single fucking game when we talk about balance, there's an idiot like you that vomits this meaningless bullshit.
Yes, there are overpowered characters, and yes there are trash characters.
D.Va, Symetra and Zenyatta all fall in the low/shit tier, while characters like Lucio and McCree are extremely powerful and fit in every single team comp.
>>339245680
Can't happen unless the Roadhog doesn't shoot after hooking.
>>339260936
They shouldn't be hesitant considering he's picked in literally every competitive matchup currently.
>>339263019
>Symetra and Zenyatta shit-tier
Proof that people who complain about balance are scrubs. A good Symetra or Zenyatta is HELL for the other team, I've seen it happen. I've seen both characters singlehandedly bring matches back from the brink of destruction for their team.
Dva? Needs a slight damage buff, but she's fine otherwise. Her mobility, utility, and ult make her a very viable threat.
>>339242327
Bastion was overpowered for a very short amount of time in the very early closed beta when he had a reinhardt shield blocking his front. His only counter at that time was tracer.
Torb was never overpowered and is considered a joke in competitive play because his turrets are so weak.
Dva is even more of a joke. She's only selected ever for one map, and even then she's a counter pick mostly.
Junkrat was never overpowered. He's just a lane protection, but has lots of counters.
Mei was never overpowered. She's a joke.
Lucio, Widow, and Mccree are overpowered. Widow and Mccree have been the entire time. Lucio has been since they nerfed Zenyatta.
>>339263324
Symmetra isn't useless (though she's low tier), but zenyatta is currently.
That doesn't mean you can't do decently with him, he's just bottom tier. He is never picked in competitive ever because of his health and lack of any mobility.
>>339263324
>A good Symetra or Zenyatta is HELL for the other team, I've seen it happen.
So did I, Zenyatta is one of my most played characters. Wrecking shit in pubs is completely irrelevant. Your silly anecdotal evidences aren't proving anything.
>Dva? Needs a slight damage buff, but she's fine otherwise
When Winston and Reinhardt exist, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to play D.Va.
>>339263527
I'll get flak for this but I don't follow the competitive scene. I find Overwatch to be a health mix of competition and casual fun and I don't want my view of it to be clouded by meta garbage. I don't subscribe to the idea that just because the pros are doing it, it must be broken or top-tier. That's an appeal to authority, which is a logical fallacy. They're only human like any other player and metas have their seasons too, they come and go.
That said I'm awayre that Zenyatta has practically no health. But shit if Zenyatta can't outrange you with chaos orb and psychic punch you to death, tilt a slew of little duels in his team's favor with harmony orbs, and then push his whole team forward with his ult when he gets it.
>>339263678
Dva, reinhardt and winston all have different roles.
Dva is hard to kill, and very mobile with an ultimate that breaks forts.
Reinhardt protects your team and can CC with his ultimate.
Winston is there so brain damaged people can still play the game.
>>339263879
>Zenyatta starts to outrange you
>gets 1 shot by a widow body shot
I genuinely think this is the first online game where the balance is perfect. Mei could probably do with a very slight nerf, but then I'm not too sure on that.
>tfw no reason to play any other offensive character when McCree exists.
>>339263879
They're only humans
That have mastered the game, and are playing for money, so will play the absolute best combos they can to win.
It's a fact that Mccree, widow, and Lucio are currently overpowered. Pros all agree, and they will use the ever loving fuck out of them to win.
It's also a fact that Zenyatta is useless thanks to the existence of widowmaker (as well as Tracer, S76, and Mccree) for being so slow and fragile.
>>339263984
>Implying Widow players can hit anything that isn't totally stationary
I know THAT'S anecdotal based on pub shitters but wow are Widows bad. And if you get a Widow when your team is on offense, might as well count yourself down a player.
>>339246126
>support widow
I play a support Junkrat, I kill people on the enemy team so they can't deal damage to our team.
>>339264053
He's OP, but there's still plenty of reason to use a Tracer and S76 situationally, and Tracer is a better offensive pick for koth. Genji, reaper, and pharah also see some occasional use on payload.
But currently Mccree is the go to offense pick for payload.
Offense is unique in that all of its characters are usable though.
>>339263146
Balancing solely around comp play doesn't work. If you nerf him into the ground, his permanent spot will just be replaced by someone else.
You're always gonna have a few permanent roles, with one or two rotating situationals.
>be Genji
>hear "it's high noon"
>see McCree appear from a doorway
>activate deflect
>kills himself with his own ultimate
>mfw
>>339263920
And yet, D.Va is never a threat to a team in any situation whatsoever.
She accomplishes her job as a tank extremely poorly.
Some people say you should flank with her, due to her mobility, in which case, why the fuck aren't you using Tracer, which is so much better at that.
D.Va is in a weird spot where she does below average as a tank, and below average as a flanker, but can do both.
I could see her in some distant future as a niche 6th pick in a team, but right now, with what we currently know of the game, she's pretty useless, or to put differently, there's always a pick that'll do her job better.
>>339240541
>bastion so op!!
>wait torb op!!!
>no wait mei op!!
>ok nvm widowmaker op!
>wow mcree op!!!
>l-llucio op??
git gud and shut the fuck up
>>339264178
I play in a 6 stack so I go up against other 5 and 6 stacks.
I'm also level 40, so when I play I go up against other people around level 40.
Widows in general around this level start to get good. Widows in 5/6 stacks are almost always very good, because they're usually in mumble and have their best sniper be widow.
>>339264475
Not true. Winston, Reinhardt, and Zarya are very well balanced. Winston sees the most use in KOTH, and Rein in payload for sure, but there's a fair amount of back and forth between the three.
No hero should be above 100% here. If they see a ton of use in koth they shouldn't see a ton in payload or vice versa. That's why Lucio and Mccree are obviously OP right now.
Widow is OP just because she doesn't really have any significant downside, and there's no other true sniper character.
>>339240541
From what I've read, everyone is overpowered. I think everyone just is bad at Overwatch.
>>339265040
>>339264813
The problem with /v/ is that it's full of bad players that complained about easily countered characters like bastion, torb, and mei so now equally idiotic people like you think that non counterable characters like mccree, lucio, and widow are not overpowered.
>>339264541
Dva is not a tank, please excuse blizzards mistake. She's an assault.
She constantly chips away at enemies, and can finish off low health enemies really easily.
She can block all of bastion's bullets and give your team their chance to kill him.
She can create space for your team to advance with her ultimate, and can even get a few kills if enemy is in a bad position.
She's the most durable hero, with her high health, high mobility and she can get back in her mech pretty quickly.
>>339265189
What makes me equally idiotic?
>>339264813
>git gud
In a game where individual skill makes barely any difference?
>>339264823
Widow is OP because her DPS is retarded.
You shouldn't be able to shoot that many bullets in so little time.
TF2 and CS has the right idea by making the good sniper rifles bolt action, so missing a shot actually has significant drawbacks.
>>339265285
The fact that you think just because people cried wolf about shit characters means that actually OP characters aren't OP.
>>339265248
And Tracer and Reaper do that job better.
Except for blocking Bastion bullets, in which case you'll have a Reinhardt, which happens to be also a really good tank with great abilities.
>>339265517
>actually OP characters aren't OP
And when did I say this?
The funny thing is, while Mccree is OP in competitive play, Mccree is actually even more OP in non competitive play because the 20 tick rate will fuck over characters like Tracer and Pharah that try to escape but get flashed on the Mcree's side.
How the hell does his ultimate work? I see right circles over their heads and I press shoot but nothing fucking happens.
>>339265567
You acted like Mccree, widow, and lucio somehow aren't OP.
>>339240541
>>339265040
>From what I've read, everyone is overpowered. I think everyone just is bad at Overwatch.
/thread
This game is casual as fuck.
>>339265707
When? Show me who you think you're replying to. Show me who you think you're calling an idiot.
Did Roadhog get nerfed or something?
I was in the alpha for 80% of the time I played I played Roadhog and he seamed great, landing a hook was pretty much and auto kill on all those tumbling 360noscope youtube montage fucks.
Everything I see on this game make out like he's shit tier, what happened?
>>339265854
He was never good.
He's an ult dispenser,
They should probably just add some element of actual loss of control to fanning the revolver. There's basically no difference between the two functions in accuracy at even medium range except one puts 300-400+ damage into the other guy instantly.
OK, OK. I don't wanna be accused of bias here. You have to tilt your mouse slightly to compensate.
>>339265907
I had like a 73% winrate over more then 100 games, maybe people in the alpha are shittters?
Here's an idea: get some distance.
He literally is only good up close. Don't talk about "uhh but high moon ult" because it needs to be charged and you literally have more than enough time to get out of range.
>>339265854
He's a huge victim of shotgun RNG. His hook sometimes bugs out and pulls enemies to the side, and every time you shoot the bullets fly in a different pattern so half the time you scratch them and the other half you get a one-hit-kill.
>>339265550
What the fuck do you mean? Tracer lacks vertical movement and reaper's movement is very slow.
They can't clear forts with their abilities.
They are comparatively much more squishy.
Did you even read what I wrote?
>>339266045
People you played with yes.
Also remember that alpha players were mostly people like LoL and Hearthstone streamers, so of course they'd be shit.
>>339265248
This all works out until you need to shoot at someone. At that point you are slow with a large weak spot and poor range. Having high health doesn't mean much.
>>339266045
>>339265854
If you're good at Roadhog he is good enough. Like any meta you'll always do better with the guy that fits vs the meta pick if you don't enjoy the meta pick more.
Roadhog's true problem is that he's really wide and has a ton of HP so if you get gunned down from full by a Reaper or something you just gave him 80-100% of his ult.
I mean obv if you're good you're good, keep on Roadhogging, I love a good Roadhog and hook into point blank auto is still a gib most of the time. But watching a bad Roadhog miss point blank shots is tragic.
>>339265657
You wait until the circles close on them, and they turn red. That's when they become one shot kills.
The more health the target has, the longer it takes to become a one shot, so you'll more than likely be killing squishies before you kill any tanks.
![overwatch_fi_42[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/v3yhUiJ.jpg "overwatch_fi_42[1].jpg")
>Hey there, i hope werent planning to have fun in this match.
>>339240541
>was just in a game with 3 McCrees
>they were all bitching at our team for not having a tank or healer
>keep telling them to switch to it themselves
>they dont respond
>they keep bitching
>these braindead fucking shitheels are genuinely perplexed as to why no one even gives a fuck about team comp with their useless asses on our team
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
RANKED MATCHMAKING FUCKING WHEN
>>339266207
Her damage isn't amazing because of how tanky and mobile she is.
You retards are asking to buff dva because you don't understand her role and can't play her properly.
You literally want her to be overpowered. She's fine.
>>339246126
> Support widow
Me myself play as a support Bastion, I sit in a corner ensuring no one can take the objective.
From time to time I play support Genji, I focus on the objectives and reflect back enemy attacks.
>>339266250
This is only applicable if the Widowmaker is actually good at picking off people.
The amount of times where they haven't done so, and my team has won the fight 6v5, and the Widow pussies out and runs from the point only for us to win the overtime is way too often.
It's kinda like Zenyatta. There's no middle ground of skill with Widow players, they're always either terrible or great.
>>339266187
>Tracer lacks vertical movement and reaper's movement is very slow.
One is super fast, the other has a teleport. Their mobility is overall amazing.
>They can't clear forts with their abilities.
The fact that both are extremely good flanking characters means they can.
D,Va being tanky is her only reedeeming quality, and it doesn't help her accomplished what she has been designed to do.
>Did you even read what I wrote?
Right back at ya famalam.
>You literally want her to be overpowered. She's fine.
Fine at sucking dicks. I mean, that's all D.Va mains want from her anyway.
>>339241864
You shouldn't be in the air with pharah so much that you need me skits up there.
Play normally, on the ground. Only go airborne to get to a good vantage point or to fly over walls at choke points to harass.
There's no point to floating in the air constantly like an asshole
Guys.
I realized yesterday...
The game is balanced around mouthbreathing retards.
Think about it.
McREEEEEE
Widowmaker
Bastion
How do you think all of these batshit-ridiculous characters would perform... if the people playing them sucked dick? Consistently?
Widowmaker goes from hero-erasing-terror-beast to occasional-oneshot-lady in the hands of a shitter. Same for Bastion - in shitter games, no one protects the Bastion, and he sets up in a stupid spot. In shitter games, McREEEE misses his flashbang and doesn't know where to go for flanks, etc. etc.
The game is balanced around retards.
Blizzard knows it's audience.
>>339266557
The difference is that even the best Zenyatta is easy to deal with if you have a decent widow or tracer
But the best widows are huge pain in the asses to deal with.
>>339266457
Everything she does a Winston can do just as well or better. She is almost unanimously considered awful in the competitive scene, that doesn't mean she can't be good for pubs though.
>>339266785
>Bastion
You had a point til you put Bastion.
Bastion is not OP, he's easily countered.
>>339241063
This. He's fine otherwise, but he's so fucking slow, especially as a support.
Fun hero though otherwise.
>>339263019
None of those examples are trash though. D.Va is good for breaking fortified positions, Symmetra brings a LOT of utility and Zenyatta smashes tank comps that focus on high-HP characters.
>land a hook
>they go flying past you
When do you think they will start releasing new characters?
I want morehasubando material
>>339250425
those are the rules of nature anon
>not playing McCree, Lucio or Widowmaker
You want to win right?
>>339267043
The fact that there are better options to those 3 in most situations makes them bad. Zenyatta is a bad support, squishy and no mobility, D.Va is a garbage whatever she's been designed to be, and Symmetra is a mislabeled support (should be a Defensive class, and yet she get outclassed by snipers and Torb as far as defending goes).
But sure, feel free to disagree with the consensus of top players that already spent hundreds of hours on this game.
Only OP if he's left unchecked. Some teams will let him woah pew pew pew every ten seconds and walk in one by one but a smart team will just shoot him when he doesn't have his flashbang.
>>339266457
I agree that I don't seem to understand her roll and I've been lurking threads to try and figure it out. She is only mobile and tanky when she isn't attacking. At some point it seems like you will need to attack someone, which makes you slow and susceptible to easy head shots. I tend to die much more quickly compared to when I use the characters with lower HP.
>>339241063
I've spent 15 of my 20 hours in OW playing Zenyatta.
Let me tell you - he's fucking terrible.
Anyone so much as looks at you and you're fucked.
He has NO health but a HUGE hitbox that just so happens to be nice and round to make sure that people kill you even faster.
I have been killed at long range by Metzen 76 in less than half a second because he shot me in the head with like 3 bullets.
Tracers have killed me so fast that in the kill cam I see them shake their mouse in confusion.
Every single time I peek out to apply a Discord or Harmony to someone, I pray to Vishnu for safety. I still end up getting oneshot by a Widowmaker hitting my toe most of the time.
Zenyatta is a flawed design.
He has shields, but only 100 of them. Mercy has 200 health and heals herself - effectively 200 shields.
Zenyatta wants to be far away from the action, in a nice vantage point, applying his buff/debuff orbs while spamming chokes and peeking cunts with his orbs. But he has no mobility to go anywhere, and must stick to the predictable areas where anyone can get to him. Also, a character that wants to stay in mid-long range from BOTH teams has an ultimate that is all about grouping up with your team? Great design. You either start floating over to your mates and pray to every god that someone doesn't fucking breathe on you on your way there... or you pop it early, wasting duration, just so you can actually fucking get there. One flanker - any flanker - makes Zenyatta worthless. He is so easy to kill that even if you're with your whole team, the flanker WILL get you. He'll die after, probably, but he WILL get you, and a healer pick is worth any flanker's life. And when your ult runs out, you will die. Even if there's just one guy left, he will kill you. You die in less than a second to anyone. A N Y O N E.
Zenyatta can output a shitload of damage on his own, that's true, but he doesn't live long enough to do so. Ever. He's just strictly worse than Mercy at all times.
>>339242587
Bastion isn't OP at all
Fan the Hammer should have a cooldown similar to Helix Rockets or Soundwave.
His insta-kill combo is fine, considering plenty of other characters also have insta-kill combos. (EG: Roadhog's hook combo)
The fact that he can do it twice in a row, however, is idiotic.
>>339267526
zenyatta is a healer who can snipe turrets and rape tanks, he has a good niche considering all the other supports have no long range capabilities. The biggest problem with him is that widowmaker is a popular pick and all she has to do is line up with him at any range and he's dead. If widow gets slightly nerfed expect to see Zen way more often.
Id rather like to see zens R2 buffed though, I honestly never use it and it takes too long to charge and line up a shot.
>>339266650
>Fine at sucking dicks. I mean, that's all D.Va mains want from her anyway.
won't lie
>>339267526
>The fact that there are better options to those 3 in most situations makes them bad.
There literally isn't though. Each of those characters fills a specific niche for team play. Don't cite some nebulous 'top players' when you can't clearly regurgitate whatever the fuck they said.
Lucio needs a nerf because he has literally no weakness and does everything. Name one map he's bad on, at all.
>>339268051
Tracer and Reaper do better at flanking than D.Va does. And every other tank (cept maybe Roadhog) does better at tanking.
Mercy and Lucio are the only two support that should be used.
Symmetra is getting outclassed by other defense characters. Easily.
>There literally isn't though.
Sick argument.
>>339240541
Lol. That's not Junkrat, you posted the wrong image.
>>339268412
>symmetra
>not the absolute best first point support
youre insane. The car wash + teleporter is busted at locking your opponent in the spawn for days. She just becomes useless as the cart moves forward.
>>339254404
>mobility matters on a long distance character
>>339267684
>but he doesn't live long enough to do so.
It's strange, he has super high damage potential.
If he can orb the enemy and get his fully charged shot into them, very few classes could live through that.
But since everyone can see slowly floating over from across the map, there's no way he's going to pull that off.
