>"This remake is pretty terrible - but it could be worse, I could be playing the original NES versions. Those have to be a million times worse."
>mfw I find out that the GBA games are almost exact 1:1 remakes of the NES games except for a tiny few modernizations like being able to save anywhere
So does Square actually legitimately think that these games are perfect and that none of the systems/stories needed to be updated? Here's an example of the games bad design:
>Earth Cave with the vampire boss fight
>Have to go through 3 stages of bullshit maze caves and horrible random battles
>Once the vampire is defeated(and I don't mean the Lich guy), you get a ruby and have to leave, which means means going through the same thing 3 times
>Then once you give a ruby to a giant and talk to an old man, you have to go BACK to the vampire caves and go down the same 3 levels just so you can then go into even MORE maze caves
Obnoxious backtracking like this is unforgivable.
>trying to start a decent thread on /v/
JUST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_C2HJvtRDY
Fuck off OP
>>339232568
Why link that?
>Classic final fantasies
FF5=FF3>FF6>FF4>FF1>FF2
My opinion is fact.
>>339231819
>the GBA games are almost exact 1:1 remakes of the NES games
Just like how the SNES versions of Dragon Quest 1-3 are almost exact 1:1 remakes of the NES games. This isn't a bad thing, it's a good thing.
>>339231819
>except for a tiny few modernizations like being able to save anywhere
And infinite inventory. And a completely different magic system. And re-balancing. And a bunch of new items that make life easier.
>Those are only a few changes, you faggot
But they make the game significantly different as far as gameplay goes.
>>339231819
>>mfw I find out that the GBA games are almost exact 1:1 remakes of the NES games except for a tiny few modernizations like being able to save anywhere
No they're fucking not
the MP system is totally different
What are some good classic or remakes of classic RPGs?
>>339233357
That's a big question with a lot of answers.
What else have you liked? What's your cut off for classic?
>>339233357
see OP
>>339233506
I really enjoy dragon warrior and final fantasy type games.
>>339233357
the FFVI patched rom for gba on this website is worth playing, its got the extra content from the gba version but the better graphics and sound from the snes version.
http://fantasyanime.com/finalfantasy/ff6/ff6downloads.htm
>>339233637
Pretty neat. How does it play on a flashcart?
>>339233357
Dragon Quest. The entire series, really.
Final Fantasy I, II-VII, IX. People like Tactics too.
Tales of Phantasia
Tales of Symphonia
Super Mario RPG
Paper Mario and The Thousand Year Door
Mario and Luigi (all of them probably)
Shin Megami Tensei
And many others I'm probably forgetting. Not so sure about WRPGs. Fallout, Fallout 2, Planescape: Torment, System Shock 2 (System Shock is good, but it's not an RPG), Deus Ex, and... I'm not sure what else. I need to play more WRPGs.
>>339232568
They used to play Scooby Doo all the time on Cartoon Network and I'd watch it a lot, but I always thought Scooby Doo was boring as shit.
>>339231819
>play NES original
>accidentally press a
>the longest 3 seconds of your life
>"Nothing here"
>the 2nd longest 3 seconds of your life
>>339233637
>but the better graphics and sound from the snes version.
Partially. It still doesn't fully match up in either area.
>>339233753
I couldn't tell you mate, if you've got one it wouldn't hurt to try.
I use a pspgo to emulate and it works fine on that.
>>339233764
>FF8 is bad
I'm really getting sick of this meme.
>ff2 is bad meme
>>339233864
FF8 and FF10 are both terrible games. You people need to get over this fact.
>>339233864
Go write a blogpost on tumblr about it.
>>339231819
>have to leave, going through the same thing 3 times
I'm so sorry this isn't Skyrim, there should always be a shortcut to the entrance at the end of a cave.
Use your warp/exit spells you turbofaggot
And when you go back, you are higher level, meaning you breeze through it. Too bad, no quick travel for you
>>339233919
>Putting words in my mouth
I didn't say it was bad, but I don't think it measures up to the others.
Man you think that's bad? Try playing these games in Japanese. Couldn't have found a more difficult way to start off. Did you at least like the job system?
Is it too late for FF5 and 6 to get the remakes they deserve?
Are there any FF or FF like games without walking around in the world?
I hate walking around in the map, same reason I never played another pokemon game after yellow, I just wanna go from fight to fight with maybe some dialogue between each one to know how we're progressing.
>>339234252
Those are the games that deserved a PS4 remake the most, IMO.
>>339234239
Must be pretty early on in your studies, huh? First game I played in Japanese was FF I as well. It wasn't too hard as far as I recall, but it can be tricky for complete novices.
がんばれ、アノンさん。
>>339234348
Literally Fire Emblem?
>>339234506
literally thats why im asking you cunt i have no ideathanks though
>>339231819
>FFII
>Whenever a character in party died I would reload and remove their equipment because I was autistic
>mfw post game
I've wanted to replay through both of them (and maybe IV) for the longest time but they're not that great and my SP doesn't hold a charge worth shit.
>>339234252
>FFIII remake
Yes
>FFIV remake
YES. HERE IT COMES
>Nothing, no more remakes
WHAT
>lol FFVII remake
WHAT
>>339234502
Well, I did play them (the GBA remakes). Not doing it anymore, but God was that a pain in the ass. Part of the problem was that I didn't know much about Final Fantasy 1 to begin with, so getting lost on top of having to actively translate was a little annoying. It did help a lot though!
あなたも頑張ってね?あきらめないで!
>>339234252
>>339234378
Well, at least we got some spiritual successors in the form of Bravely Default and Final Fantasy 7.
>>339234348
Isn't that what Final Fantasy 13 is
>>339234539
in a similar vein, Vandal Hearts. Excellent game, unique artstyle.
>people still reply to this autist
What's the difference between a JRPG and a WRPG?
>>339234912
idk mate, that's why I'm asking. I just like the combat, but after playing 5 minutes when I've got to explore in these games I just turn it off.
>>339234923
much appreciated, ill check them both out
>>339235013
One has fedoras tipping in a dark setting and the other has fedoras tipping in a magic setting.
>>339235013
JRPGs are made in Japan. WRPGs are made in the western world. That's really it.
FFV > FFI > FFVI > FFII > FFIII > FFIV
>>339235079
>FF V is the greatest
That's fine if you think that, but I've been seeing it so often lately, and many times people are obnoxious about it. I think it's the hipster's new favorite Final Fantasy since VI became too popular. It's reminding me of some years ago when there was a sudden large amount of people saying that Zelda II was the greatest.
>>339235079
So I'm curious, what makes you like FFII better than 4 and 3? I'm told it's a pretty mess experience
I wanted to play all Final Fantasy games one after another, but I gave up after the fourth game.
Which one do you recommend playing next?
>>339234653
You can get replacement batteries for the sp
>>339235225
Final Fantasy V.
>>339235261
Is V any good or is it because it comes after the fourth one
I truly pity the people that have only played the GBA/PSP versions of the original Final Fantasy games.
>>339234252
No. Nomura said he wants remakes of them
>>339232750
this is fact, can confirm
>>339235214
Instead of cruising on the success of FFI, it tried a whole bunch of new shit, including a new leveling system, modifying the way stats worked, changing the interface when it came to talking to characters, and the game seemed to try to make you really feel like part of the adventure. It was ambitious, and even though it failed in some aspects, I still ended up liking it.
FFIII was pretty fun and it had a nice job system, but it also had a particularly annoying early game, with some other annoyances later on down that puts it below II for me. FFIV is at the bottom just because I seem to like it less each time I play through it.
>>339235179
Well deserved I think. The variety of jobs makes for some very interesting combat, also, the world and music are so magical. There's something very special about this game. Before playing any other Final Fantasy, I sought to try it out first and I wasn't disappointed. I instantly feel in love with the job system and went on to play FF3, FF1, and others like it. Ultimately it lead me to other class based RPGs like Fire Emblem.
For me it was like a gateway drug of sorts.
>>339235361
V is the best
>>339235361
Both, really. Though VI and VII are highly recommended too.
>>339235361
Yes
>>339235438
I really should get around to playing FFII one of these days. I've heard so much about it, one can hardly blame me for being curious.
I hear you on FFIV by the way, I hate that game more and more I play it. Didn't think the combat was particularly special, nor the cast of characters and Zeromos or whatever his name was even less.
>>339231819
I don't get what your obsession with this game is. I've seen this thread at least 10 times over the last year with the exact same opening post.
What was the last FF game that used true turn based combat?
>>339235259
for real?
>>339235579
It's that guy who kept shitposting about Earthbound, except instead of going after a popular game with a cult fanbase, he's just targeting random shit
>>339235632
Define true turn based? As in, absence of ATB?
>>339235065
No. An RPG using turn based combat is a JRPG no matter where it's made.
>>339235553
Thanks
>>339233864
>VIII and X are terrible.
>recommends II
>>339235706
What in the absolute fuck are you talking about?
>>339235537
Thanks! I'll get to that one, then
>>339232750
FF5 at top? Nigger what????
>>339235668
Yes. I don't know why but I can't get into ATB at all and it sucks because it seems like a lot of them use it.
>>339235013
Where they're made
>>339235706
retard
>>339235783
JRPG is a style of game, it isn't a description of where it's made you absolute retard.
>>339235559
>Didn't think the combat was particularly special
Did you play it immediately after FFI-III?
>>339235179
I remember the Zelda II crowd.
Due to the nature of this website though, it only takes a single obsessed guy to make everyone think the entire board holds an opinion.
>>339235706
That's fucking stupid, Anon.
>>339235835
X doesn't use ATB but I wouldn't call it true turn based.
III is the last one that is
>pick all your character's abilities
>they do them in a certain order depending on stats
>repeat
>>339235835
That means you have good taste. ATB is a horrible system.
>>339232750
>IV that low
>>339235841
>JRPG is a style of game
And turn-based combat has very little to do with it because turn-based combat originates with WRPGs, retard. Do you really want to pretend that Wizardry is a JRPG when it predates the entire genre?
>>339235841
Are you saying wizardy is a jrpg?
>>339235910
I love games that do that, but I know only so few that do it.
>>339235910
That sucks then. I played I-III already and enjoyed them but I couldn't get through IV because of the combat. Even in its simplicity I remains my favorite.
>>339235997
The entire SaGa series does that.
>>339235975
>>339235982
>muh wizardry
A western doesn't become any less of a western just because it shares things in common with romance novels that came out before it. You people are inconsistent in your beliefs.
>>339235835
It honestly doesn't make much of a difference to me. For some reason I always think of ATB as turn based. Even though you can make all of your decisions alongside the enemy, there's still the waiting factor. I have to wait for an attack to hit me, and choose my attack, making the enemy wait as well.
It's why when ATB is absent, I barely notice a thing. Bravely Default was just fine by me.
>>339231819
>this copypasta again
jesus christ I really don't understand you OP. This isn't funny, this isn't interesting, this is just about the most bland shitty copypasta you could come up with, and yet your autism is so severe you feel the need to post it over and over again.
>>339236028
FFI is just a classic. I find it a little hard to be objective about it though since it was one of the first games I played on my NES when I was a kid. For whatever reason though, I still have way more fun replaying FFI than I ever had the first time I played through FFIV and FFVI.
>>339236080
>You people are inconsistent in your beliefs.
How so?
Wizardy is a WRPG as it is an RPG made in a Western country.
DQ is a JRPG as it is an RPG made in Japan.
>>339235997
Play Bravely Default then, you can wait your turn, and the enemy waits theirs.
>>339236080
>>339231819
nice pasta but
>lower the rates for learning magic and weapon levels
>save everywhere
>removed stat decreases
>can save everywhere
>lowered prices for everything
>automatic HP gains every 10 battles
>new post game content
GBA II is babby tier compared to the NES version
>>339236080
Genres are fucking memes anyway.
They don't account for reality in the same way that the actual works do.
>>339236172
>>339236207
So Dark Souls is a JRPG now, right. Are you even listening to yourselves?
I can't believe people are falling for the "JRPG is a type of game" troll.
>>339235179
>implying zelda 2 isnt god tier
>>339235792
>>339235969
FF6=FF4>FF5>FF1>FF3>anything>FF2
>>339236282
There's a reason it's the black sheep of the series.
>>339232750
FF5>FF4>FF1>FF3>>>>>>>>>>FF6>FF2
>>339236172
Well some Wizardry games are technically JRPGs now since only the Japanese still make them... But I know what you're trying to say, I'm not that other troll.
>>339236241
Is it Japanese? Yes
Is it a role playing game? Yes
wow hard
>>339235841
Not only did Wizardry, a western game, influence the almost all JRPGs, but JRPG literally stands for Japanese Role Playing Game. If you're gonna base the classification on gameplay, just call it a fucking RPG because that's what the genre is and has always been.
Please kill yourself at the soonest possible opportunity.
>>339236336
Wow I never heard anybody say 6 was bad.
>>339236232
Speaking of which, do the Metroid games belong in the Metroidvania genre? This is something that has puzzled me for some time now. I mean, Metroid games are just Metroid games, they don't have any elements from the Castelvania franchise in them, but a lot of people still refer to them as being Metroidvania style games.
>>339236416
>Zelda is a JRPG
This is you. This is how stupid you sound.
>>339236492
It's not really that bad. Decently well put-together game, the system is also fine if you like ATB. Personally I found it to be a slog to get through, and prefer the likes of FFI, II, III, and V over stuff like IV and VI.
>>339236241
You say that like Dark Souls wouldn't be considered a jRPG.
>>339236501
Metroidvania is a genre because of Super Metroid and Symphony of the Night
>>339236573
I don't see how Zelda is an RPG in the first place.
>>339236573
Is it Japanese? Yes
Is it a role playing game? No
wow hard
>All japanese games are RPGs
This is you. This is how stupid you sound.
>>339234502
>アノンさん
>not 名無しさん
>>339236713
Right, Symphony of the Night is a Metroidvania game, because it's a Castlevania game which heavily implemented elements from Metroid. But why call Metroid Prime a Metroidvania? It has no elements borrowed from any Castlevania game, so the -vania part seems pointless.
There's a patch for that called "Dawn of Balance"
http://www.jeffludwig.com/finalfantasy/
It attempts to restore the original difficulty of the NES version, while making the characters are bit more interesting. I've never played the NES version of FF1, but I did play this one few years back and it isn't a bad effort.
>>339236749
>>339236790
>Zelda isn't an RPG
Lel, so I guess you know better than pretty much all gamers from the 80's until today, right? Because pretty much everyone since the beginning has called Zelda an RPG.
>>339236804
Both work. Just like in English, there's multiple ways to say everything.
>>339236859
It's because both games are well known for the style of gameplay, where you're in a big map and unlocking abilities to better progress. It's a metroidvania now because the name of the genre has changed, before SotN it'd just be Metroid games, similar to how shortly after Doom came out lots of FPS games were just called Doom clones.
>>339236951
I KNOW IT TEMPTING ANON
I KNOW
BUT DO
NOT
RESPOND
YOU HEAR ME?
>>339236614
That's so ironic to me. To each their own I suppose.
>>339236920
Is "Relm" the girl's name, or...?
>>339236983
I don't see how you could justify calling a game anything-vania when it doesn't have any similarities with the castlevania games.
>>339237129
Yes.
>>339233824
Does it play fine on a psp? I feel like the game always lags and that just bugs the shit out of me.
What emulator?
>>339237130
Because it's identifiable, when people think of that style of game, two games come to mind, Super Metroid, and Symphony of the Night, so the name just combines the two so either party knows what you're talking about, it's not about what did it first.
>>339236614
>Decently well put-together game
Absolutely fucking not.
>>339237231
it plays alright, ive never played an emulator that had 0 latency though. its basically the same as playing on my pc
gpsp 3.4
>>339235706
Literal fucking child
>>339237262
And this is why calling an RPG with turn-based combat made in the west a JRPG is justifiable, because everyone knows what you mean. Thank you, anon.
>>339237346
I don't need to it be exactly perfect, just not....awful.
>>339237374
No, literally no one but you will think you mean Wizardry if you say JRPG
>>339237374
Depends on the name, if you call a western game a jrpg you'd be wrong because people expect the game to be from japan, hence the J in the title
>>339237262
>it's not about what did it first
You right, it's about the fact that using Castlevania to describe a Metroid game that has no elements borrowed from Castlevania is wrong. It's just stupid and bad labeling.
>>339237654
Castlevania stole a bunch of Metroid elements and they're tied to Castlevania now
>>339236328
Which by default means its good
>>339237654
Are you a literal autist
It's a word people use for exploration-heavy platformers
It's just a word, it's origins are irrelevant. It's already in the zeitgeist.
>>339237797
Words and categories aren't irrelevant, anon. They have meaning. You'd be one of those people complaining about how stupid Aristotle was for wasting his time categorizing different animals into types. It's this kind of anti-intellectual behavior that is typical in our current r selective society. If humanity goes extinct, it will be because of people like you.
>>339237992
Did you even fucking read what I wrote?
Of course they're not irrelevant. Of coruse they have meaning.
"Metroidvania" means "Exploration-heavy platformer"
It's not the first word in English to not be synonymous with it's root and it won't be the last, but everyone already knows what it means. Deal with it.
>>339237992
Also Taxonomy is a totally fucked "science" besides; the rules are extremely inconsistent or lead to technicalities that are retarded, like every vertebrate technically being a fish.
>>339237992
Bruh there's a difference between animals and video games who cares?
>>339238201
You pulled that definition straight from your ass. Metroidvania games are Castlevania games such as Symphony of the Night which heavily borrow from Metroid. The term can also be used to describe games which use the style set in Symphony of the Night. No Metroid game can be a Metroidvania game until it starts implementing things from Castlevania.
>>339238276
Creationists use this logic when they try to justify when the Bible calls bats birds.
>scientific labels are already fucked so who cares lmao xDDDD
>>339237992
It's not so easy.
Broad categories cannot hope to englobe what reality produces, especially in man-made works; in the same way that a map is not the territory it depicts, categories are not the works they describe. Sonic and Mario are platformers, but calling them so mostly helps to obfuscate their differences. Yet, if we didn't have the word itself, how could we easily describe the franchises and differentiate them from Final Fantasy or Call of Duty?
It's a discussable matter. Saying that is anti-intellectual is in itself anti-intellectual, because you assume old concepts don't need to be revised. You close the discussion before it even begins.
>>339238407
Are you a time traveller from 1997 or some shit? People have been using the exploration platformer definition for years now, get over it
we might as well start talking about circumcision now
>>339235997
Pokemon, Dragon Quest, Etrian.
Plenty of JRPGs do it.
OBJECTIVE FF TIERS
ELDER GOD TIER: FF5, FF3
GOD TIER: FF1
GOOD TIER: FF6
MEDIOCRE TIER: FF2
SHIT TIER: FF4
>>339234005
Spoony pls go.
>>339231819
they just wanted to up res the graphics and fix some balancing issues
they didn't want to fuck with the narrative or the battle system to much because they wanted to keep it true to the original
>>339234378
i would settle for a 3DS version even
>>339239971
Why? It's a shit game, they should have focused on making it better.
>>339235969
4 is good if it's your first JRPG, but the game has not aged well since it set a standard that a lot of RPGs after it take after
if you play those there is no point in playing 4 since it suffers some of the worst end game scaling and grinding
>>339240070
the Dawn of Soul made in 2004 ports weren't really remakes, they were ports of the WonderSwan Color remakes which were made 4 years prior (2000) with some minor changes i think
you gotta remember what time this was, there wasn't really a high bar for turn based RPGs on handhelds 16 years ago
though the PSP remakes have no excuses
except being hastily made to cash in on the 20th anniversary
>>339233357
The Nintendo DS remakes of the original three SaGa games on the GameBoy, otherwise known as Final Fantasy Legend. The DS remakes were never localized outside of Japan, but each have been fan translated.
>>339233357
The Dragon Quest DS remakes are great
>>339236028
Think I'm late with this, but if I remember right most if not all FFs let you set the ATB gauge to "Wait" mode in options, meaning that characters and enemies don't take their turn when you're choosing an option for a character. It's not exactly the same but it might help you enjoy them more, you should give it a try.
>>339240768
this is why ATB is great
I played FFIV (translated japanese SNES version) on the fastest setting in active mode until the moon
I found out I was underleveled but I didn't feel like grinding so I set it on a slower speed and wait mode
never got the hate for ATB, it makes regular encounters fly by, escaping from battle is easier, it can make certain battles tense, and it's customizable
>>339236328
It's not the "black sheep" of the series. When asked, Miyamoto said he didn't like how it turned out, its grander ideas were limited by the hardware. Somehow the small modern Zelda fanbase took this as and parroted that it was his "WORST GAME". Next to Mario 1&3 and Tetris, Zelda I&II were the system sellers and loved in their time.
It was only around the time of that interview a few years ago, after Miyamoto said the above that Zelda II started being seen with a negative view. From it, this ass-backwards perception that it was actually bad and the people who liked Zelda II was a minority is the reverse.
Zelda II was awesome and the people who dislike it were the minority or have never actually played it, merely parroting the misconceived label of "black sheep". Those who did play and enjoy it when it came out are all fucking old and few of them are not dicking around on video game message boards.
>>339241807
redpill me on zelda 2 combat, because from what I played it was pretty terrible. just random stabs hoping to hit, when I watched a speedrun it didn't seem much different. I kind of want to beat Zelda 2 just for the sake of clearing the main series, but if the combat is as bad as I witnessed then idk man. It's pretty shit.
>>339236207
Ultima 6 is piss. Ultima 5 is one of the best games ever made.
>>339233764
>remakes
Anon pls
>>339233357
I found these ones improved on the original experience
>SMT DS Soul Hackers
>FF6 GBA
>DQ4/5/6 DS
>Chrono Trigger DS
I found these to be serviceable
>SMT1/2 mobile
>FF Dawn of Souls
>Mana DS
