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So which one was better, /v/?
They're both equal in my opinion.
>>339216546
This desu
>>339216467
Bloodborne.
It has a good solid identity.
BB atm, we'll see after the DS3 DLC.
Bloodborne, off course.
Anyone who played Bloodborne will choose Bloodborne
>>339216467
FUCKING STOP ALREADY
Bloodborne theme is better, DaS3 lost its unique dark fantasy theme from DaS1
I greatly prefer Bloodborne
DS3 because BB is a PS4 exclusive
I played Bloodborne and DS3 back to back and enjoyed BB more.
>>339216467
BB is better pve-wise in most every way. It was certainly more unique considering DS3 is mostly just a rehashing/fanservice attempt centered around DS1.
>>339216467
Bloodborne, by far.
Bloodborne. DaS3 is great but it suffers from the abundance of fan service. Neither can touch DaS1 though.
>>339216657
this
its mathematically impossible to say otherwise having played both
With DLC, Bloodborne
Without DLC, DS3
Bloodborne because it tries to do lots of thing different and also because it is self contained. While DS3 is a rehashed fest with a lot of the things needing the other two games to explained themselves.
Also the combat in BB is, for me, more fun.
>>339218190
This. DS3 will most likely be the better game when it gets its DLC's.
>>339218123
>>339216657
kill yourselves
Bloodborne. Even though the base game was barebones as fuck, it still felt more unique and satisfying than DkS3.
BB > DaS > DaS3 > DeS >>> DaS2
Bloodborne is probably the best game i've ever played. The setting/world/lore is fantastic and combat is easily the best i've seen in an RPG.
DLC is also fantastic as well
>>339218339
a lot of people have said that about BB's base game but I never felt that way when playing it, care to explain your reasoning behind that claim?
the DLC will make or break DS3
>>339216604
Reskin
>>339218379
Close enough, thoughI would put DeS higher.
>>339218379
DaS3=BB>SoTFS>DaS=DeS>DaS2
>>339218379
I
BB > DaS > DaS2 > DaS3 > Des
myself
Definitely Bloodborne
>>339218532
That would be DS2 and DS3.
>>339216467
BB...but only if you include the DLC desu
Until the dlc is out we can only compare the base games. I havent even played the old hunters yet but I'm well aware of the praise it receives here and I feel it's safe to say that most people would agree comparing full BB to vanilla DS3 would be unfair.
Just off the base games it's hard to say. I agree with this somewhat >>339216604
Bloodborne is still very soulsesque but it was a breath of fresh air. DaS3 definitely refined and mastered some aspects of souls but made a lot of changes for the worst.
Honestly all 5 of the games considered soulsborne have something going for them that the other games dont. It would be easier to rank them all in seperate categories such as pvp, pve, bosses, lore, weapons and armor, spells, etc.
Hmm, I would say Bloodborne. It was just a really well designed game all around and it was a different enough take on the formula to really stand out from the others. Plus I find the trick weapons to be amazing and completely new to me.
das > des > das3 >>> bb >>> das2
I like both equally.
>>339218652
I completely agree with this
>>339219038
Every bestial boss in this game is so boring.
Maria, Orphan, and Logarius were objectively superior than big screaming slashy beast #32
>Doing an STR char
>Get 30 STR and use Voldst Hammer
>It's kinda slow for PVE but good enough for PvP
>Get Dark Sword as a drop on 1st Dickwraith i kill
>Might as well infuse it with Heavy
>I do almost the same damage without the slowness/stamina use
God damn it, this sword is just too OP, gonna use it until i can farm better weapons since faggots keeps invading me.
Also a Pyro guy raped my shit and i loved it, gonna try a Pyro build later, what's the best to start with?
>>339218190
this, we'll have to wait for the 2 ds3 dlcs to fully decide which game is better
>>339219095
my negro, I thought I'd get the usual shit for not memeing it up with Das2 in last place or failing to overrate DeS (basically DaS beta) due to nostalgia.
Bloodborne has a better atmosphere, and better music.
I enjoyed the faster-paced combat as well.
That being said, DaS3 is pretty close.
>>339218303
Nah, Vanilla BB was better than Vanilla DaS3. Better story, better levels and better bosses. Not as many weapons, but any combination of Str, Skill(Dex), Arc, or Bloodtinge had at least two dedicated weapons, and Quality had half a dozen at least.
In DaS3, Faith is worthless outside of the minimum prereqs for meme weapons, Int is almost worthless until late game when you get the crystal soul spear, at which point why use anything else, and Pyromancy was half-decent, but has no dedicated weapons. There are an enormous amount of weapons that are objectively useless and aren't even worth putting in the game, like Saint's Bident and the Mail Breaker (seriously, who the fuck ever uses a mailbreaker?)
Long story short: BB was better than DaS3 BEFORE The Old Hunters, and the presence of the DLC only slingshots it even higher in my opinion. Once all the DLC content for DaS3 is out, we can hold a final verdict, but I have a hard time believing the DLC will be able to salvage the base game's fundamental problems. It would take a serious balance patch and a severe buff to casters in general and weapon efficacy to change my mind.
Only regarding the base games
>pvp
DaS2>DaS1>DaS3>DeS>BB
>pve
DaS3>BB>DaS1>DeS>DaS2
>bosses
DaS3>BB>>>>DaS1=DeS>DaS2
>lore
DeS>BB>DaS1>>>DaS3>DaS2
>atmosphere
DeS=BB>DaS1>>DaS3>>>>DaS2
>>339216467
I honestly enjoyed DS2 more than DS3 and it's not because it was better but because the formula still felt a little fresh. Playing DS3 was almost like a chore for me at the end. BB feelt as fresh as DeS or DS1 though. So Bloodborne for me.
>>339219132
Ludwig is a fucking godlike bossfight.
>>339216467
The one thats on pc
DaS3 is far too uninspired and never quite gets away from feeling like a retread of DaS1 - at least DaS2 tried something new and improved on a lot of things.
For now, BB > DaS3 until the DLC.
>>339219268
I agree with you putting DaS2at the top of the pvp list but why would one put the pve DaS3 above BB, they got rid of the fast-paced action and gutted the combo system and knee-capped magic.
>>339219268
>pvp
>das2
Hol up
*buffs self
So what u b sayin
*buffs weapon
iz that we be pvpin
*buffs self again
now now hol up
*2-3shots enemy
So dis is best pvp?
*smashes dat motha fukken r1 button
>>339219373
Only the Holy Blade, The accursed isn't.
Pretty much the same game with a different title anyway
>>339219140
>until I can farm better weapons
I have some bad news, anon...there is no better weapon. As long as you keep upgrading it and don't spam R1 like a retard in PvP nothing can outclass it short of UGS and other heavy weapons. Even then, your DPS with the Dark Sword will be comparable if not superior, because it's faster and easier to land a hit than with Fume's ultra slow buildup.
sometimes I wish PC gamers could play BB on PC, only to see what boss they collectively get butthurt at
the bosses in BB are harder than DS3, only a few of them on par with BB bosses
plus I want to see BB in 1080p 60FPS
>>339219438
I want Facebook kids to leave.
You can spot them immediately because they have to meme every response.
If it's not this adoption of gay memeRP shit, it's putting >le in front of everything, or muh, or whatever trend they saw from a screencap of /v/ from 3 years ago.
Please go back to your pages and stay there.
>>339219438
>I haven't played since vanilla
>>339219218
Oh you will, just not from me.
>>339219482
here's your reply, not go play the games before posting about them
I've been wondering another question recently:
http://www.strawpoll.me/10338369
Although 3 is so recent I can't imagine it having much of an identity.
>PvP
BB>DaS1>DaS3>DaS2(ebic soul memory ecksdee)>DeS
>PvE
DaS3>BB>DaS1>DeS>DaS2
>setting
BB>DaS1=Das3>DeS>>>DaS2
>lore
BB>DaS1>DaS3>DeS>DaS2
>boss fights
DaS3 if even half decent dlc > BB >/= DaS3 >DeS >DaS1 > DaS2
>>339219604
Its not the memeing... Its the reddit syndrome of copying whatever is new untill its old and they do it way too fast....
>>339219268
>DS3 has the better pve
What? It seems like every encounter is trying to get behind them for a quick backstab or R1 them to death because almost all of them have no poise. Also, they added a ton of mobs and DS system, unlike BB, doesnt work well with lots of enemies (see the gank squad bosses of DS2 DLC)
>>339219539
Damn... deep inside i know that.I'll just farm for fun weapons then, i never use the Drang maces or Fume UGS
>>339219481
Holy Blade wouldn't be as great as it is without the Accursed to contrast it. Accursed isn't even that difficult, if you just stay on his left side and know when to move.
>tfw playing Bloodborne
>Just beat Amelia
>fucking LOVING the game
>still have the DLC to do
>havent' even completed Witcher 3 on NG+ to get my save ready for B&W
WHAT DO I DO BROS?! How far do I have left in Bloodborne!?
>>339219851
Butcher's cleaver is kind of fun, and great for Lunatic Cannibal cosplay builds.
The only thing that bugs me about it is that it's shitty weapon arte prevent you from buffing it, and I'm pretty sure you don't absorb ANY health from hits unless you use the arte.
It's supposed to absorb health with each hit, right? Can anyone confirm whether or not it does so without the L2 buff activated?
>>339216467
>was
stop referring to games in past tense
>>339220074
Did you do Hemwick or getkidnapped?. I would say you are at 40%. Try the dungeons now.
>>339220074
You're not even halfway. You're about a third, or a quarter if you count all optional content and the DLC. You're technically capable of accessing the DLC now that you've killed Amelia, but DON'T. You'll get your shit pushed in hard.
The only reason you should enter the DLC area at this point is to run for the armor set and weapons lying in the first area. There's 3 strength weapons and I think 1 Skill weapon before the first bossfight, and three sets of armor. You'll have a hell of a time getting them though.
>>339219431
The enemy design felt really lackluster to me in BB. Every single enemy in the game can be r1 spammed stunlocked to death without any thought required and the only two that can't are two of the most unfun, bullshit enemies in the series. The mobs in DaS3 aren't great either but I found the outrider knights and the black knights pretty fun to fight.
I probably goofed in thinking that pve also meant bosses. If thats the case than DaS3 and BB and equal.
>People generally have a DaS1 boss they love to fight each playthrough
>From adds bonfire ascetics in DaS2 for those people
>Miyazaki, the supposed superior idea-guy, says fuck fans and removes the concept from BB
>Still doesn't bring it back in DaS3 despite taking a bunch from DaS2 and DaS1
There is literally no reason I shouldn't be able to fight Pontiff again solo.
I don't want to go through the "Miyazaki" experience just to fight a boss I like
>>339220294
>DaS3 and BB are* equal
my bad
>>339220273
>Did you do Hemwick or get kidnapped?
Just doing Hemwick now and yea, I got kidnapped earlier but found a lantern at the top (didn't really explore the area).
So i'm at around 40%? Not bad, hopefully it takes a while though, i'm loving it so far.
>>339217915
This. Thread should have ended there. Right there dammit.
>>339216906
>PCuck upset
I think it comes down to which setting and lore you like more. I liked DS3 more.
>>339220293
>You're not even halfway. You're about a third, or a quarter if you count all optional content and the DLC
Aw shit, that's pretty good to hear tbqh.
>The only reason you should enter the DLC area at this point is to run for the armor set
What armor set? I just might do that if it's really at the very start.
>>339220526
Its like you dont even want us to try out bb
>>339220627
https://twitter.com/yosp/status/685616464229838850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
>>339217915
Miyazaki should stick to doing one-offs
Sequels appear to be his weakness
>>339220294
that's fair I guess, there are a lot of enemies that can be cheesed. I guess I was thinking more pve from the perspective of the combat system itself.
>>339220506
>>339217915
How can anyone prefer DS1 to DaS3? At least DemonSouls and Bloodbornefags have "originality" as an argument but DS1 doesn't even have that due to it being a complete rehash of Demon Souls?
The last half of DS1 was complete trash, PVP is a disaster due to backstab fishers with "Muh Ninja flip ring" and the bosses are all mediocre outside of O&S?
The DLC was fantastic but the base game was complete mediocrity compared to DS3, let alone Bloodborne.
>>339220627
its like you cant even afford a ps4 anyways NEET
>>339220294
That's bullshit, though. In BB pretty much every enemy has some kind of blink recovery strike it will use if r1'd too many times in a row, and all larger besital enemies have hyperarmor attacks. Outrider knights are actually a DaS3 example of this, and a sign to me that From is really fucking sick of Dark Souls.
Think off all the enemies in DaS3 that make you think "this shit is right out of Dark Souls!" There's a reason why that is, and I think it's this: The people designing enemies for Dark Souls 3 were still high on the aesthetic and combat philosophy of Bloodborne, and had to force themselves to slow down to make more chunky, slow Dark Souls enemies for 3. They made Souls 3, but what they really want to be making right now is Bloodborne 2 or something similar.
>>339220765
agreed
New world rules, New Lore and locations do wonders.
Demons souls
>>339220469
unless you just outgrind every boss, orphan of kos and laurence will occupy you plenty
>>339220765
but what would the next setting be?
>>339220843
People over-level and say its an r1 fest.
>>339220627
If people realized it's nothing special the PS4 would truly be worthless.
>>339220815
Not unless i cut into other important funds like drugs hookers food and humble bundle or decide to give up more of my gaming time to afford a console i dont want
>>339221054
A western
>>339220469
>didn't explore the area
Explore the area. There's a pretty good elemental weapon in that area and its great for blood shard and twin blood shard farming. Tough enemies though.
Story and singleplayer-wise, Bloodborne.
In terms of multiplayer, Dark Souls III is the clear winner.
Bloodborne also has more fantastic bosses but they're sandwiched in-between some mediocre ones while Dark Souls 3 has some consistently okay fights that are neither really good or really bad.
Comparing base game DS3 is better in my opinion but with old hunters, BB is better
Bloodborne, bar none.
I played DaS3 and enjoyed it a ton but that was about it, all I have to look forward to is the DLC, yet I'm already back and playing the shit out of Bloodborne again, there's something about it that keeps me coming back, always new builds to try, always new weapons (that actually feel distinct from eachother, unlike most of DaS3 weapons) and the way the world, combat system and mechanics flow together so well I just keep coming back for more. I'm not even a sonygger, I honestly with this game WAS on PC so my fellow PCbros could enjoy it just as much as I do.
>>339221196
das3 multiplayer is just a crowd pleasing panderfest.
Bloodborne, no context. Every weapon felt unique, the bosses were all great (except for fucking Rom), the pacing was perfect and it even got great DLC, to boot. DS3 felt like it was done out of some sort of obligation.
>>339221196
I agree with literally everything you just said, you're alright anon
>>339220815
I could buy a PS4 and a copy of the game now if I wanted to, but spending $400 just for one game is silly.
>>339220561
The Old Hunter set is strewn about the starting area, which is a tattered coat, and one of those face covering high-collars with a wide-brimmed hat. There's also a british constable set, and a nice swallowtail coat with a butcher's apron on the front.
The weapons are the Beast Cutter, a strength weapon that combines the toothed look of the saw cleaver and the chain-whip of the threaded cain, the Hunter's Saif, which is a great Skill weapon that folds up like a saw cleaver, but has a different moveset and a lot of good combos into transformation for quick advanced and retreats, the Boom Hammer, a Str/Arc weapon that you can charge with the transform for a more powerful, flame-charged swing, and the Wirligig Saw, which is the Pizza Cutter you have no doubt heard of already.
There's also an NPC you can murder early who drops a sword that transforms into a bow which does Bloodtinge damage you can charge up. It's a great Bloodtinge/Skill weapon.
There is no shortage of amazing shit for you to find.
>>339220810
Shush. Just fucking shush with yourself. It has already been stated in this thread why it's better than DS3.
It was fresh, and it was fucking beautiful. I haven't felt that since Dark Souls. The direct sequels are fantastic games, especially DS3, but it really is just the same old. Just prettier.
bloodborne
No game has ever actually grossed me out until I saw these.
Jesus Christ did these make my skin crawl.
>>339221376
I bet thats how piss4 fags fell for the piss4 meme
>>339221515
drip drop
>>339221490
>was
see
>>339220210
>>339221558
SPLISH SPLASH SPLISH SPLASH
>>339221515
plip plop
>>339221490
>It was fresh, and it was fucking beautiful.
It was not fresh at all because it was a virtual rehash of Demon Souls. Dark Souls 3 is also beautiful.
Either explain what makes Dark Souls 1 better than 3 or don't bother responding
>>339221376
Nah. Realistically you will play other games on it, but Bloodborne experience is worth about $250. I'm enjoying Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted is pretty as fuck.
>>339221291
KIRKHAMMER
Fuck yes. This thing is more fun and useful in a fight than any fucking hammer/club in Souls.
>>339220843
>In BB pretty much every enemy has some kind of blink recovery strike it will use if r1'd too many times in a row
what enemies did this?
>>339221073
Kill yourself
>>339221391
All of that is in the starting room?
>>339216467
BB without a doubt.
The atmosphere and art direction is amazing. And I say this as a guy who doesn't even own a PS4, only played like 1/3 of the game over at a friend's house.
>>339221723
>BB is a rehash of DeS
do you have to take some sort of vitamin supplement to be this fucking wrong? if you're pointing out some sort of atmospheric similarities with Latria ok, but that's where it ends.
![99af70728a916b4413806dd5a2103318[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GgP9kYP.jpg "99af70728a916b4413806dd5a2103318[1]")
>>339221747
>you will play other games on it
>Bloodborne experience is worth about $250
They were both great but I like Bloodborne better. It's just more fluid.
>>339221723
When the bait is this poor
>>339216467
Both were good. Bloodborne was better.
>>339221828
yeah, the second half is just not good aside from upper cathedral ward, mensis (the level itself not the bosses)
>>339216467
Need to see the DLC for DaS3, honestly
BB's DLC is what brought it over every other souls game for me, this might do the same
>you will never play Bloodborne for the first time again
>that fucking twist
I legitimately feel sorry for anyone who had that spoiled for them.
>>339221121
>drugs
its like you want to die young
>hookers
its almost as if women find you unattractive
>food
its almost like you eat more than you should
>humble bundle
its almost like you like wasting your money
smelly PCuck :^(
>>339221762
Well, basic townsfolk with torches will catch you with a torch thrust if you get greedy, Brick trolls will shove you bodily away, fly fuckers will jump on your head regardless of how many times you attack, and these are just the things that pop into my head after not playing for months. You don't know shit, so maybe you shouldn't be telling people to kill themselves for disagreeing with your punk ass.
>>339221803
Starting AREA. You can, with some courage and luck, run past all the enemies in the area and just run for all the item drops. It's what I did my first time, one I realized the mobs in the area will kick your fucking ass for free.
When does BB come to PC?
>>339222102
Not until Sony ports it
>>339221862
>>339221927
I wasn't talking about BB, I was talking about DS1 relative to DS3.
I think BB is the best Souls game.
>>339221723
>It was not fresh at all because it was a virtual rehash of Demon Souls.
Seriously anon? Do you understand what rehash fucking means? Dark Souls is a literal fucking rehash of Demon Souls, just done better.
Bloodborne has the base gameplay mechanics as the souls games just tuned in different ways. Its setting is also extremely fresh for the series.
I love that it wasn't a direct sequel and actually was allowed to he it's own thing. And yeah, it was pretty glorious.
Bosses:
DaS3>BB
Although Old Hunters had Orphan and Ludwig, two of the series best bosses, I didn't care for the rest and the main game wasn't exactly spectacular boss wise.
The best fights in BB were Orphan, Ebrietas, Gehrman, Logarius and Abhorrent Beast
Champion Gundyr, Nameless King, Twin Princes, Pontiff Sulyvahn and Soul of Cinder were the best in 3 and they easily eclipse the majority of BB's.
BB had pretty good area design though, but I felt the overly drab theme weared incredibly thin by the end of the game, as the game didn't really try to expand into anything interesting, the nightmare areas would have been perfect for this, but instead we get a really useless desert/dusty ruin area, and the nightmare of mensis which feels like a retread of the main game
In terms of music, I appreciated the production in BB, but the monotonous horror feeling wore thin with a lot of the bosses, to the point where it lacked a sense of identity, I felt this was most prevalent in the chalice bosses. I would say that Ebrietas and Gehrman are the stand outs from the main game, and Ludwig/Living Failures/Orphan are the standouts from the dlc, although I disliked Ludwig's first phase and Orphans second for reasons previously mentioned.
In dark souls 3, there were a few tracks I disliked, ancient wyvern and crystal sage sound a bit muddled in inspiration and could have used more time, but other than that I generally like the soundtrack, a lot of the bosses have vastly different sounding tracks that suit them really well, something BB was good at was reinforcing the theme of the fight, I felt DS3 did this as well as making the tracks enjoyable outside of the fight largely.
Gascoigne's theme in particular, it added tension to the fight very well, but outside it was painfully boring.
I would say DS3's standouts are Sulyvahn's, Nameless King's, Twin Princes, Yhorm's, Oceiros's and Dancer's.
Overall I rate the series as:
DaS3>BB>DaS>DaS2>DeS
>>339222043
>that twist
what, you mean the point the game turns to absolute irredeemable garbage?
>>339222243
Mentally degenerate cunt retard
TOH > AotA > DS1 > DS3 > BB > DES > SOTFS > DS2
>>339222043
Funny how I had 0 interest in the game until I learned about the Lovecraft stuff.
I think DaS3 has the best base game boss fights in the series. Who knows what the DLC will bring.
>>339222243
>DaS2 over DeS
My only point of contention. DeS, for all that it is technically inferior, has infinitely better level and enemy design, and a story that isn't hackneyed, fan-fiction-tier garbage.
>>339221913
Do people not rate how much they believe their games are worth to them? You buy a base triple A game brand new at release for $60. Is it worth $60? Usually not. But if you love a game that much wouldn't you actually say it's worth so much more?
I bought Bloodborne for $40 with $20 going to the DLC, and that's one of the greatest games I've played since Dark Souls.
>>339218379
nah
DeS >>> BB > DS > DaS3 >>> DaS2
>>339219481
>>339219132
You're absolutely wrong.
Cleric, Gascan, and Ludders are two of the best fights in the game. And even now with all the hours under my belt I still get nervous when there's a Loran Darkbeast at the bottom of a Lower Loran layer 3 FRC dungeon.
>>339222242
That's what i'm fucking saying you retard, look at the context of my response and see >>339222175
>>339222518
DLC bosses are pretty much always harder than what the main game has to offer, so that will probably be the case once again.
>>339222328
If the transition from Bram Stoker's Dracula into Eldritch horror didn't get your dick rock hard then you can get right out of my face.
>>339222043
Oh, Amygdal, have mercy upon those bastards!
>>339222552
I only rate DaS2 higher because the dlc content has fantastic level design and 6 really good bosses.
I went back to demons souls to replay it around about January, and it felt incredibly dated the whole way through, not enough for me not to appreciate it in some ways, but also not enough for me to put it ahead of any other game.
I also found that most of the music in the game is absolute garbage with the exception of like 3 or so tracks.
This is objective fact.
DeS = TOH > BB > DaS3 > DaS > DaS2 >>> SotFS
>>339222593
>three of the best fights in the game.*
post yfw you first saw an Amygdala
>>339222628
Stop being so salty. I was writing my post when you posted >>339222175.
Also DS > DES
DaS3 has more build variety than bloodborne given how magic and miracles aren't grouped together under the same stat.
>>339222840
>mfw during the demo
>>339222840
Oh. Neat. Whatever.
the DLC brought a ton of new weapons and content that really fixed the biggest issues of bloodborne. base game was really not as good and if you were to compare current version of bloodborne to dark souls 3 right now it is not fair at all. base game to base game though, dark souls 3 is clearly better
>>339222947
I'm glad this isn't a VR game
>>339222840
>mfw I had the invisible Amygdalas and how Insight reveals them spoiled 2 days before I played BB
>>339222901
Be that as it may, magic and miracles are shit in DaS3 so there's no motivation to use them (there were couple of bloodtinge spells mate)
>>339222556
No game is worth $250 to a normal human being.
>>339222679
But it was hardly a transition.
It was limp as fuck.
You kill Rom and then you go to yahargul where you fight more peasants, and then weird bloody wolves and body cages.
The only real difference was the moon and amygdala's, I don't really understand how they made much impact after byrgenwerth.
Then you go to the lecture building which felt kind of jarring by being disconnected from the world, and you fight off slime students, it's hardly amazing, then you go to nightmare frontier with it's whole 3 useful things to do, fight amygdala, who is both limp in visual aesthetic after the more oppressive looking yahar'gul ones and limp in mechanics, and then you go to nightmare of mensis where you go through more gothic hallways.
It was just kind of shit.
Other than the encounter with Ebrietas and moon presence I don't really think BB ever elevated itself into Eldritch horror unless you really got around to digging into the lore while you went through and theorycrafted shit.
So many people sell the game on the "twist" but I just don't get the big deal, it marked the point where the bosses became worse, the areas became worse, and the game lost all pace, I don't really get how it's even a "twist" considering the second location the player character is likely to go is hunters dream.
I wish they did more with the nightmare areas to be honest.
It's thankful we got somewhere as interesting as fishing hamlet in the dlc, but that doesn't excuse the poor execution in the main game.
>>339220684
What an asshole. how come some people be so mad about exclusives
>>339219268
How can one be so wrong?
>pvp
DeS>ds3>ds1>bb=ds2
>pve
Bb=ds1>deS=ds3>>>>ds2
>bb>ds1=ds3>des>>>>>>>ds2
>bosses
Bb>ds3>ds1=des >>>>>>>>>>>>>>ds2
>>339222386
I was receptive to the idea of being a Werewolf Hunter in Gothic/Victorian Not!London, but the sudden switch from Gothic Monsters to Eldritch Horrors from the Darkness Between Stars was both seamless and vastly more interesting than the game was advertised to be.
Not only that, but I honestly found the usual Souls Game level-based storytelling turning Bloodborne from an action powertrip to a genuine horror. The revelation of what's actually going on in Yarnham, the details you pick up on walking through town, seeing the statues in the cathedral, and finally,seeing the mummified corpses of people, frozen in a desperate struggle to escape whatever the fuck was moving through the streets in a tortuous monument like some kind of victorian Pompeii. Men, Women and children, all climbing over each other, desperately cramming themselves into any space they'll fit through, anywhere they can reach to get away from whatever it was they saw there, before dying by the hundreds.And the revelation thatThe Amygdalas were there, the whole time. Watching you. Everywhere.
Bloodborne scared the shit out of me, but not in a BOOGABOOGABOO! sort of way. It scared me with a slow, seeping, dawning sense of dread and terror, realizing that you have wandered into something far more dire than you could ever have expected.
Bloodborne's atmosphere is a masterpiece. This is objective truth.
>>339223209
Yet people have spent thousands just to play WoW for all these years. People buy DLC for games that comes out to hundreds of dollars. Also normal human don't come to /v/ so who are you to speak?
>>339222840
>>339222947
The Insight mechanic is perhaps one of the biggest "WHAT THE FUCK" moments i've ever had in vidya.
FUCK I love Bloodborne.
>>339222840
I didn't really get why people cared about them, especially after the relatively spooky byrgenwerth.
Asides from the boss encounter, they're basically just this games equivalent of bridge dragons anyway.
>>339216467
I fucking hate to say it... but memeborne sadly.
Way too much community pandering, shit pvp, shit pve with really underpowered magic/faith, reused boss ideas (for the 3rd or 4th time) and several terrible bosses all in a game that's shorter than the previous two souls games.
At least for BB being shorter it had much more new content and was better balanced in pve as a game. Most weapons were at least usable and/or good or overpowered, no really shitty gear except doll set. The bosses whilst resuing the big hairy wolf monster meme too much on several bosses who shared similar patterns (even some DLC content was this bad) it had much more variation and fresh ideas.
I honestly still think BB should come to PC (because of mods and better framerate) despite having a PS4 just for it, and hence prefer the model of DaS3 (all systems supported). But the honest truth, and I knew it ever since announcement, is that this game didn't have enough dev time. When they announced it I was like "Already?". They just got BB out the door and DaS2 had Scholars and they already wanted to shove this out the door. They just didn't put enough time, concern or effort into it and it shows.
Bloodborne definitely.
Both were clearly rushed though.
>>339223390
I would try to argue you on this subject but you're sorta right.
>>339223357
>sudden switch from gothic monsters to eldritch horrors
there were no areas that really had an overall "eldritch feeling" other than nightmare frontier though
and there were relatively few bosses who gave that feeling as well
>DS3 just released and you are comparing the 2 games where bloodborne had a dlc release + numerous patches
>>339223620
>The blood clinic. Hypogean gaol. The fishing hamlet. Upper cathedral ward.
>>339223620
if you don't think areas like hemwick, yahar gul, and fishing hamlet were eldritch you don't fully understand the meaning of that word.
BB > Das1 > DeS > Das3 > DaS2
Dlc will probably put das3 ahead of des
>tfw no 6th archstone
>>339223620
>few bosses
>a good third of the bosses are AAYYYLMAO
>>339223797
absolutely this, if they ever HD rerelease DeS it's my fantasy that they'll make a 6th archstone with the giant's area from the intro lore...
Yahar'gul was pretty fucking spooky, seeing how the place became after the blood moon with all the snatchers dead, the infinite respawn enemies, the 4 hunter enemies clumped together in the gaol, and the amygdala that occasionally interfered. There was also that architecture in the later portion with all the statues of people in pain or terrified incorporated into the buildings.
>>339218123
>not knowing how to use the word "mathematically"
>>339223620
Nigger, did you even finish the game? You literally cannot complete the game without reaching Eldritch Horror 2, electric boogaloo: The Nightmare of Mensis, which you only access through the Lecture Hall (Eldritch Knowledge having pulled the idea of the place out of base reality and transforming the students within into mercurial corrosive slime people)
The DLC takes place entirely within a warped, Cosmic Plane of Horrors that ends in what is LITERALLY FUCKING INNSMOUTH.
You literally don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
pvp:
DS2>DS3>DS1>DeS>BB
pve:
DS3>BB>DS1>DS2>DeS
OST:
DS3>DS1>BB>DS2>>>DES
Bosses:
DS3>BB>DS1>DS2>DES
Melee combat:
BB>DS3>DS1>DS2>DES
Magic and utilities:
DS2>DS3>DS1>DeS>BB
Armour:
DS2>DS3>DS1>BB=DeS
NPC's:
DS3>DeS>DS1>BB>DS2
Area design:
ds2dlc>BB=DS3>DeS>ds1>BB
I had to specify the ds2 dlc, because it's really god damn good for level design
World Design and consistency:
DS1>DS3=BB>DeS>DS2
BB would be higher if it were not for the post-yahar'gul areas
Graphics:
BB>DS3>DS1=/=(variable)>DS2>DeS
>>339224004
Those 3 hunters were legitimately harder than 80% of the bosses
>>339216467
Bloodbourne
I played bb for two hours at a friend's place and ds3 for 40, bb was far more enjoyable
>>339224098
At least they didn't respawn once killed.
>>339224004
Too bad it was the most boring area to play through. Other than those two hunters it was completely forgettable. And those fuckers permanently die.
>>339223918
I doubt it, the 6th archstone pretty much became sens fortress in DaS. Making something new would be cool as shit, fill it with Das references too since it'd the land of the Giants
>>339224117
The first 2 hours are the best parts of the game aside from the DLC
DeS > DaS > DS3 > BB > DS2
>>339224213
Please god no, I've had quite enough fanservice to past games with DaS3 thanks
>>339224004Those aren't statues. Those were people. People who, for some reason, died in a state of panic and terror, desperately climbing up walls and each other to get away from the street. Whatever it was that killed them basically flash mummified and petrified their corpses, the same way the Mensis Cage folks littered about are withered and mummified.
>>339223620
>le bloodborne is not really eldrich
Why is there always one of you morons in these threads?
>>339223784
I'm more talking about how I felt on the games release, which is when discussions about the "twist" are more appropriate.
>>339224014
The nightmare of mensis is exactly the problem though.
Apart from the brain sub area, the game reiterates the gothic hallways and overall Victorian vibe.
The nightmare area could have literally been anything.
Anything at all, it could have been your worst nightmare, it could have even been something from the main game, corrupted to look horrible in every way, like hunters nightmare was in the dlc, but nightmare of mensis was just kind of "more bland dark Victorian aesthetic".
It just fell absolutely flat.
>>339224190
Once you realize how pointless it is to kill anyone before killing the bell maidens because they respawn too quickly, it becomes "rush past enemies: the level"
>>339224052
>BB not on top of ost
>fucking sakabaru das1 ost higher than bb
You're out of your goddamn mind
>>339223916
Not to mention that the final boss of Old Hunters is a direct child of a cosmic deity which is found (dead) right before the fight.
>>339222901
not right now it doesn't
>nopoise and the new way they calculate damage reduction means there's no reason to wear heavy armor
>magic is severely under powered, worse than arcane was when Bb released
>weapons are unbalanced in PVP leading to samy builds feat. straight swords, piercing swords and some outliers, the variety vs repetition of weapons I've seen in 70+ hours of pvp is about on par with Bloodborne's on release, keeping in mind that Bloodborne released with only 14 weapons
DaS3 needs a few patches and DLCs to fix it, which is a shame because the ease of use for some of the covenants and the sheer volume of people playing make it enjoyable.
Right now it has Bloodborne's armor system with equip load and a stifling damage calculation mechanic attached to it, a set of rolling mechanics that isn't as fun as the quickstep, and a weapon pool of unbalanced weapons that, sans some outliers, aren't as cool as trick weapons on the whole.
>>339219481
Have to disagree with you senpai. I died countless times to phase one, often within seconds early on, but by the time I had it down it was super fun. Felt like such a boss getting through it untouched. Like being a fedora level katana master, but feeling like I trained my way to it so it was actually cool.
>>339224297
nightmare was fun as fuck tho. love vertical levels like that
>Got Bloodborne a few days ago
>Made it to Upper Cathedral Ward
>Got repeatedly stunlocked by a Brainsucker and it took something like 10 of my insight
>Haven't played it since
I'm still a bit mad. I just don't feel like dealing with that shit.
>>339224545
>milkweed rune with no parasite
>coop
>webm showing off a trap that is featured in many other games not unique to bloodborne
uh
>>339224289
We aren't talking about how you feel once you know about the whole game and shit like the overarching lore elements like that, which I'm sure you are thinking of when you factor in my argument.
We are talking about the feeling of the "twist".
A twist in many pieces of media is a point where you are immediately aware of something that completely took you off your feet.
With Bloodborne, it wasn't a twist, it was a gradual progression. You go into Byrgenwerth with the eldritch enemies already on you, the snakes themselves are monstrous beginnings compared to the earlier beast theme.
And then the game fails to really develop it.
I'm talking about the feeling you get when you actually sit there and play the game for the first time.
In my view, I just can't really understand why anyone would feel the "twist" is even that noteworthy.
>>339224052
>bb would be higher if not for the post yharl ghul areas
You mean just nightmare of mensis which was fucking great?
>he didn't do nightmare frontier right after Amelia lmaoing @ your life
>>339221291
>>339221761
such a best weapon
>>339224297
Do you really not understand this? Cosmic Horror isn't all wacky geometry and squidfaces. A lot of Lovecraftian Horror takes place in old buildings, libraries and universities and old fishing towns. The halls in Mensis aren't Victorian castle shit, they're libraries filled with books about the unknowable deep and shit, and they ARE corrupted. The architecture twists in places, everything's covered in an oily sheen, vaguely damp, and there are EYES GROWING OUT OF THE FUCKING WALLS.
You actually don't know what you're talking about, and are just speaking from a very shallow understanding of the thing you claim the game doesn't encapsulate. Read some of the goddamn literature and then maybe you'll be able to apply critical thought instead of uninformed, weak opinions.
>>339224562
You get so much insight throughout the game anon. I felt so pissed the first time it took 8 from me but fuck it, wreck the little shit and move on.
>>339224004
>Statues
>>339224507
Yeah it's an okay level, but it could have easily been filled with beasts and put in bloodborne's earlier game, and still have largely fit.
I wish they put something like fishing hamlet or hunters nightmare in the game, something that truly feels disturbing like how you feel when you see ebrietas for the first time.
>>339224663
I have kos parasite at +10, it's shit in pve
>>339224894
not if you gem it
Anyone know the connection between Gascoigne's music box and wet nurses theme?
>>339224725
2 handed weapons always lose to 1 handed in BB asuming you are using the full pallet of the combat flowchart
>>339224739
I'm purposely talking from a shallow point of view, as it emulates the experience I had with the game the first time I played through it.
I don't understand how the area and level design in Nightmare of mensis really gave the "development of eldritch themes" much value other than the brain and arguably the wet nurse at the top.
It didn't impact me very much.
Perhaps if they put some actual otherworldly shit like otherworldly, indescribable shifting sights, I would actually agree with you when you claim the transition was that impacting.
But for me, it wasn't, and I can't understand how anyone felt that nightmare of mensis was that much more alien than seeing things like the cleric beast, snakes in the forest, or gardens of eyes in byrgenwerth.
>>339224273
Its quite beautiful how fucked up bloodborne's entire setting came to be, I dont think we'll see anything like that again in a long time
>>339222243
>Not including Vordt's theme
nigga..
>>339224665
Have fun with your dumb, uninformed, out of touch opinions but know that everyone else thinks you're a fucking retard.
What eldritch type enemies do you fight before Byrgenwerth? Or Forbidden Woods which is directly outside Byrgenwerth...
>>339224957
i've got chalice gems on all of my ~10 +10 weapons, it's shit in pve because it's slow and can't stunlock nearly as well as just about every weapon
>>339224783
What's the best way to deal with them? Maybe I'm a bit underlevelled but they take me way too fucking long to kill, I'm forced to fight them in cramped corridors, and once they hit me with anything I'm fucked since they'll just stun>brainsuck>stun while I'm still on the ground>brainsuck until I'm dead.
>>339225013
I've fucked up quite a few invaders using two handed weapons with my boom hammer. That charged up fire R2 is faster than their R2 and does the same damage as theirs.
>>339224994
One of his daughter's is transformed into an infan great one (Mergo). Her body disappears one you start the fight with wet nurse.
>>339225206
There is literally 0 information in the game pointing to this
Should I bother with Arcane at all for my first playthrough?
My stats are currently 25/16/9/6 and I'm using Kirkhammer mainly because of its looks.
most people prefer bloodborne because it's more stylish than das3, but both are about as good as the other. that is to say they're both spectacular games.
>>339225206
which daughter? the one who gave you the box or the sister
>>339225265
15 arcane could be useful for hunters bone or roar
>>339225104
And what do you fight after byrgenwerth?
More villages, some more beasts, but they are bloody scraps now, puppets, giant beasts, spiders, and what areas do you go to after?
Another gothic town area, a scholarly building, another gothic building and a dusty ruin looking area which surprisingly might be the most alien environment in the game, a damn shame it is so utterly useless.
WOAH LITERALLY LIKE ALIENS ELDRITCH LMAO, TWIST AND SHIT
Honestly, the only time I've ever been bewildered in the entire souls series is the first time I stepped into ash lake.
>>339225141
Stun them till they die. Untricked saw cleaver is great. So is the tricked ludwig holy blade and kirkhammer.
>>339225068
How about the fact that the entire storyline shifts to involve cosmic gods, which was completely absent from any pre release material?
YOU had that experience playing the game the first time because you're a retard.
>>339219140
Chaos infusions are pretty good on pyro builds with 40/40 int/faith. Witch's Locks is also crazy.
>>339225265
you can't really use arcane well until late in the game. The best spells / arcane weapons don't appear until at least cainhurst or the dlc.
Don't go over 20 endurance, spend points in strength / skill based on what weapons you want to use.
I really want to make a Paladin Leeroy build with Morne's Greathammer and maybe the Golden Eagle Shield or East-West Shield, but I'm having a hard time finding armor that would suit Leeroy in DS3, much less allocating stats so I can mid-roll without having to be SL170+.
Anyone have any input?
>>339225068
>I'm purposely talking from a shallow point of view
And this is the point where I stop trying to discuss this with you. You're ignorant, purposely or otherwise, and it isn't worth the time or effort to lay out my argument any more than I already have. You have a good night.
>>339225361
You fight fucking aliens, cosmic gods, and animals with their heads switched after Byrgenwerth. There are floating heads of eyes that make your character go insane. After Byrgenwerth your character is literally sucked into a hellish nightmare dreamscape while an apocalyptic red moon hangs in the sky.
Sorry but your statements are just completely incorrect.
>>339225370
>entire storyline shifts to involve cosmic gods
Huh, because I certainly knew that right after I killed rom the vacuous spider, and then went back into Yahar'gul, another town area only now it has several amygdala's, so weird man.
And then I certainly knew that when I killed the one reborn.
The only point it resonated with me was when I got down to ebrietas.
>>339225362
Yeah, maybe I should try out another weapon. I picked the threaded cane at the start and I liked it so I've just been using that the whole time. I've got plenty of blood shards so I'll have a look at what I've picked up and upgrade something else. Thanks.
I enjoyed Dark Souls 3 more, but I think Bloodborne is the better game.
If that makes any sense?
Bloodborne's gameplay was infuriating at first but once I got to know it well it flows incredibly well. However I believe its boss fights are kind of lacking and level design is also rather poor, as the loot in BB consists mostly of blood vials, upgrade material, and gems. Dark Souls 3 had perhaps the best boss fights in the entire series, and even the crappy fights were still pretty decent. It also seemed to reward exploration a lot more. Bloodborne was also painfully linear, even moreso than DaS3, and build variety was sorely lacking (Im aware of this being an issue in DaS3 as well but weapon infusion adds a lot of variety as well as the ability to respec).
>>339224994
Aside from it being a tune with some heritage in the city, remember Yharnam is named afterMergo's mother, not really.
Since we're talking about it though I've noticed a pattern with the Nightmares you hunt in the game, Mergo's Wet Nurse, Orphan of Kos, and Moon Presence.
The Nightmare Slain message only procs once the dreamer is "killed": it's delayed blatantly in the MWN fight until Mergo stops crying and goes back to sleep, and you don't get it at all until the sweet child of Kos, that little wisp that rises out of Kos after OOK is killed, is "returned to the ocean".
The exception being the Moon Presence, which makes sense since Gehrman is already dead at that point.
>>339225013
but that's wrong
>>339225310
The sister
>>339225252
You can hear the song playing in their window before you talk to them, and her body (after she kills herself) disappears afte you get to mergo, and you youself can become an infant great one so it isn't crazy to think shee did too.I know I'm soweing bullshit tho :^)also Cleric beast is Ludwig, Wet nurse is Eileen and Abandoned madman is also Ludwig.
>>339223264
It's not so much a 'twist'. You get Madman's Knowledge fairly early on. This isn't 'loredigging', this is just reading an item description. By the time you reach the grand cathedral it's clear that things aren't as clearcut as they seem, and this gets reinforced when you go to Yahargul and straight up solidified when you head to the Nightmare Frontier.
The 'twist' is seeing it how it accumulates, the overall extent of the craziness, and it's all reinforced by a strong build-up. The game's sectioned off into three solid acts, each emphasized by the phases of the moon and color of the sky.
>I wish they did more with the nightmare areas to be honest.
The biggest downside. Nightmare of Mensis is this game's Profaned Capital, and just as linear.
>So many people sell the game on the "twist" but I just don't get the big deal, it marked the point where the bosses became worse
Micolash and Gherman are great.
The eldritch "twist" had literally no impact on me at all.only because I played the game 8 months after release when the twist was already well-known
>>339225695
>but that's wrong
i got over 2k hours and have never died to a 2handed weapon in pvp
>>339225796
>only because I played the game 8 months after release when the twist was already well-known
Maybe in the next lifetime man... Playing it blind was a treat
>>339225641
What the fuck are you even talking about now? Nobody cares if you don't like the twist but it's there. Dumbass
>>339225568
You truly misunderstand the point.
I am not acknowledging factors like "knowing the greater story or lore" or any shit like that.
Because I am talking about the experience the game gave to me as I played through it, and that is where the dissonance between me and you when it comes to the supposed "shocking" eldritch transition.
>>339225609
You fight more townsfolk, in a town, only there are some big fuckers on the wall, then you fight a mass of bodies, weird, but not exactly "eldritch" especially for a series like souls, which has had horror themed enemies in the past. Then you fight slug scholars, which are weird, but certainly not shocking. You then get to mensis where you fight more beast enemies, that explode into maggots, and there is a giant thing shining frenzy at you, again the only thing I would consider overly eldritch at this point is perhaps the amygdala's and maybe the scholars, you then fight spiders, and then go through the area with puppets, and then go up to fight micolash in all his shitness, and then the stitched animals, which seem more "horror" than eldritch to me.
Mergo's wet nurse, though, that's a good boss visually and conceptually, I give the game all credit there for instilling a sense of fear.
Again, I return to frontier, upper cathedral ward with the emmisary and ebrietas, the only points before moon presence I feel the game feels truly "eldritch".
I just don't understand why people think the transition is that good.
>>339225695
>until Mergo stops crying and goes back to sleep,
Anon...he/she/it doesn't "go to sleep," you pretty muchkilled it indirectly by killing Wet nurse, its care taker (look up the meaning of wet nurse) and ended the mensis ritual.
>>339225770
The same girl playing the tune gets killed by a boar in the quest line what the fuck are you talking about
Which souls game has the bestMusic?
>>339225265
Arcane is fine but keep in mind that a weapon that says it scales with arcane and deals pure physical damage will only benefit from arcane scaling if you gem it to deal non-physical damage. Ludwig's holy blade is a good example.
>>339226146
BB > 3 > Demon's = 1 > 2
>>339224052
>DS2 ahead of anything in OST
nigger you what
The One Who Craves Souls is GOAT
>>339226146
Bloodborne
>>339225890
>mfw those shots of Ebrietas in the Project Beast trailer and that Amygdala that disappeared from the Alpha
>mfw finding Madman's Knowlege in central Yharnam fully immersed with headphones on
>mfw that Brainsucker in lower Cathedral Ward
>mfw glimpsing the eldritch truth before the veil of reality is pulled back on my comfy werewolf hunting game
>>339226146
BB > DS1 > DS3 > DS2
Didn't play DeS but I listened to a couple tracks and they're pretty good. Not enough to judge. DS3 barely behind 1.
>>339226108
First daughter who gives you the music box gets eaten by the boar, her sister kills herself by jumping off the ledge close to her window after you give her her sister's ribbon.
>>339226214
DeS has too many tracks I consider horrendous in every way.
Storm King, Armor Spider, Tower Knight theme, Phalanx theme, leechmonger theme, dirty colossus theme.
There are like maybe 3 good tracks in the entire game.
>>339225497
I'm in forbidden woods right now and debating whether to go with more or less quality or str/arcane. The latter seems more interesting because magic and shit but the problem is I may have already invested too much in skill. With 25/16/9/6 I'm looking to pump str for sure but don't know what to do for my secondary stat.
>>339225332
Got the hunter bone and it sounds like a pvp thing to me. The default roll and sidestep are doing good already. Unless this is as great as DWGR from DaS.
>>339226075
First of all, I don't know why you constantly fail to mention the alien bosses/basic enemies, winter lanterns, brainsuckers, bug fuckers outside Byrgenwerth, and others in addition to everything you listed. Not to mention using madman's knowledge the whole game - it literally does not get any more eldritch than an item called madman's knowledge.
Secondly, I would argue that a first playthrough resonates the MOST with the eldritch theme/atmosphere, since you as the player are discovering this story, diving into the occult history of the game world, realizing it leads to aliens and shit, which again, was completely absent from any pre release stuff.
And honestly, I don't know how you thought the transition was bad when it hinges on defeating a fucked up alien spider and then completely changing the look of the game world into the otherworldly bloodmoon phase.
You honestly just sound like you have poor taste.
>DS3 is better than DS3 meme
BB>DeS>DaS>Ds2>DS3
The reason I score DS3 so low is it doesn't bring any new, its short, it's unimaginative, it's essentially souls on the BB engine and some added frills. It fails to feel like it's own game within it's own universe, it's too boring and too short.
does anyone else want to play bb again, but every time they get back to it they get horrifically bored by maybe like one part of the game?
I don't know what it is, I really enjoyed the game on release, and I played the DLC, and platinumed it with like 120 hours in total, and I haven't played it much since.
But every time I do go back, it just feels incredibly boring.
It's weird because with souls I can usually play through a few characters several times.
>>339226717
Opposite fir me, went back to bb for my 7th build right after das3, probably not going back to das3 till dlc or if the horribly broken pvp I'd fixed along with offensive spells
>>339226717
The only area I dislike doing is the forest because it was kind of lazy on a technical level.
Other than that I can replay Bloodborne for days, its sheer atmosphere never ceases to engage me. You're one of the few imo. Bloodborne hooked me and still has me on it's hook.
>>339226717
for me it's the same, mostly because BB suffered most in that it had poor replay value, especially with the pvp being bad and build variety being poor DLC.
>>339226670
its
BB=Ds1>DeS>ds2>ds3
>>339226662
Bloodborne is literally "Boss rush - the game" on anyone's first playthrough. Literally the only real twist of anything is what is found in the DLC otherwise it's horror and not "eldritch" in any sense.
The weird AYYLMAO meme, for me, started with the living failures and celestial emissaries. That's when I startedlooking back at Vatividya
>>339226908
pre-DLC I meant
>>339226890
>because it was kind of lazy on a technical level.
Not him but forbidden woods is the most interwoven level in bloodborne
Which is the best game to play without multiplayer? I'm not the biggest fan of it so far being partway through DaS so am going mostly solo
>>339227018
Dam I forgot about the underground part aand the elevators/lightning boss.
I guess my post refers to the second half, or at least a portion of it where there's nothing but snakes everywhere but even then the variety comes back not long after.
>>339227141
As most have echoed, I would say excluding all multiplayer BB is best.
>>339226087
That's not my read on it, Mensis was granted an audience with Mergo through a cord of the eye, and Mensis (Micolash) became the host of the nightmare of Mensis, an eldritch creature which was dubbed "Mergo's Wetnurse".
Mergo was being tormented by a nightmare and his harrowing cry was only silenced once you slew it, that why Yharnam bows to you if you go to her after, you let her baby to sleep.
Why the Wetnurse kept a lunarium at the top of Mergo's loft is something to chew on, why would the Wetnuse need to keep track of the moon? I think that as the ''Great Ones were sympathetic in spirit'' they (Mensis) were manipulating the moon down to the earth through Mergo's tormented crying, they needed the Moon in-atmosphere to birth the One Reborn, and the Wetnurse, again being ''sympathetic in spirit'', assisted them.
>>339216467
BB. At the end of the day, DSIII is ultimately more of the same. BB managed to alter the established formula on a fundamental level by encouraging offense over defense. There's less room for error without shields and fights ultimately come down to how well you can use your weapon and dodge attacks. DSIII felt easy by comparison because even if you fucked up the timing on a roll, you could just keep your shield up and power through the hit.
That's not to say DSIII is bad. It's the best of the Souls games, but BB is better than all of them.
To all the lucky fucks that experienced Bloodborne blind.
How was the "lovecraftian" twist?
>>339226978
>Vatividya
Oh, so you're a fucking dumb faggot who needs shit spoon fed to him. That explains it. You admit to rushing through the game and then have to look back at youtube videos to grasp the story. Pathetic.
All of your retarded opinions make sense now - you literally did not understand the story.
>>339226662
My first playthrough impressions, and I will go by area and boss after rom.
>end up in the room to yahar'gul near the amygdala
>oh that's nice, I'm back here, but it's changed a bit
>oh look more villagers, that's good.
>oh look a bridge dragon like encounter
>there are now body carriages, that's pretty weird, but not exactly out of tone for the horror theme of the game
>there are blooded beasts, again, not really out of tone for the game,
>the one reborn, seems like a massive pile of bodies, and that's exactly what it is, pretty dull overall
>oh now I'm being teleported, that's odd
>lecture building
>oh look students that move weirdly, this is certainly kind of different, reminds me of the slimes in DaS in visual effect
>get to mensis
>oh look, a big fucking gothic building, lovely
>get to micolash, wow what a shit boss
>get to mergo's loft, this area is pretty short, the mixed enemies are pretty disturbing
>get to the wet nurse, wow that was different, very nice, but a shame the mechanics were kind of disappointing
>get to the brain bridge
>shit these enemies are vastly different to the rest of the game so far, and are probably the first eldritch thing that resonated with me in that specific way
the rest is fairly similar, meeting amygdala in frontier was pretty weird, both in that the fight felt eery, but also weird because the colours felt so muted and wrong.
Upper cathedral ward and ebrietas/emissary again, is the only real sense of utter otherworldliness I felt in BB other than the final sequence.
>>339227307
One of the best gaming experiences of my life.
>>339222243
>Abhorrent Beast
supreme taste lad, excellent boss.
> ancient wyvern and crystal sage bad music
i felt ancient fit his set piece well, crystal sages likewise. i think the worst track in the game is the damn tree, i cant even remember what it sounds like. worst fight and worst theme goes to tree.
>>339227307
Fantastic
I didnt event realize it was happening and how different the game was from when I started it, I realized when I saw the cutscene introducing the true final boss then killed him and was like "man... what did i just experince" and made the spicy meatball gesture
>>339227307
Mundane as fuck, people overrate it massively.
>>339227307
you could sum up mrw with one long 'Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaark...''
This fucking thing.
I felt DS3 lacked these kinds of moments where as Bloodborne was filled with them, BB is really true to its themes and it just surprises you and offers a gameplay experience you just can't get anywhere else.
DS3 doesn't offer that, it feels like I played DS3 before I mean it's still good but it's not better than Bloodborne.
>>339227307
perhaps the greatest thing i've experienced in my entire gaming life. The build up, the strange feeling of "something is off", it was complete bliss.
God fucking damn man, I wish there was ananimethat I could watch similar to Bloodborne
>>339226475
I've got 16 strength and 20 skill on my arcane build because I want to use moonlight sword and skill + arcane weapons
>>339227570
What the fuck? I didn't post that image? I posted pic related
>>339227563
By filled with these "moments", what exactly are you describing?
>>339216467
So, to answer this question more objectively, I quit out of DaS3 to start a new character in Bloodborne.
The answer, in my opinion, and Bloodborne. By a country fucking mile.
The very first thing I noticed when I started Bloodborne, having not played it for since the release of DaS3, is that the graphics in DaS3 are noticeably better than BB. It's only been a year, but Bloodborne has aged a bit. That's where DaS3's advantage ends.
Everything about how Bloodborne controls and feels is better. The characters movements are more animated and smooth, the controls are quick and responsive, though not actually all that "Faster" than Souls. Your Hunter runs at about the same top speed as DaS3's ashen one. However, everything swing in BB has weight and clout that simply does not exist in DaS3.
Some attacks in DS3 may knock an enemy over or smash him prone, but those are not particularly dynamic animations and are just kind of instantaneous effects. When I catch a group of enemies with a charged R2 with the Hunter's Axe in Bloodborne, those fuckers FLY.
I said the graphics are already starting to age in Bloodborne and I meant it, but the atmosphere and aesthetic of BB far outshine the drab palette of DaS3. The only area that compares is Irithyll, which for all intents and purposes may as well have been pulled right out of bloodborne.
Overall, my immediate, fresh impression of both games, one right after the other, is that Bloodborne is the superior game by a clear margin.
>>339227664
>20684
I think you just ruined somebody in the local 3x3 thread's day.
>>339227570
Angel's Egg, Berserk obv, and Nyaruko: Crawling with Love got your back
>>339227307
I played Bloodborne completly blind and missed out on only 1 emote (dust off), it was great
>>339216467
>apples or oranges, /v/?
Not to bring up a Witcher 3 vs Bloodborne argument (I loved both games and think they both excel at what they set out to do) but why is it that whenever I play Witcher 3 I always feel like I would be having more fun playing Bloodborne?
Gameplay aside, the setting of Witcher 3 is just so "by the books" in my opinion whereas when I first played Bloodborne I was genuinely blown away with the setting/art style.
It's not Witcher 3s fault though but more rather the fantasy genre failing to surprise, every Fantasy setting looks like the same fantasy setting nowadays.....
>>339227631
Fuck that looks cool as hell. The colour pallete is really good in Bloodborne
>>339216467
TOH>DaS3>>>BB
It's genuinely funny how much TOH is necessary.
>>339227851
witcher 3 is just follow the waypoint
>>339227845
don't fucking start that shit againapples
>>339227737
>crawling with love
Really? I haven't seen it but a quick google showed me pic related and it looks nothing like Bloodborne?
Already watched Berzerk (which is more like Dark Souls) and Angels Egg (what the FUCK was that movie about anyway?) so no luck there.
Bloodbornes atmosphere was nailed to a T. It's undeniable. It's unique, it's covincing and it's immersive. One of the most interests soulsborne worlds I've had the pleasure of playing in, the game left me with an incredibly strong experience
>>339227953
>>339227851
I like witcher 3 too but fuck that hud, thank goodness you can turn it off
>>339227985
Well then I guess you're gonna have to find out.Emphasis on "Crawling" in the title
>>339227853
aside from the lumenwood, I had to look very hard to see a colour palette
>>339228037
>soulsborne
>>339227364
I notice your impression completely leaves out the bloodmoon. Your main complaint seems to be that Yahar'Gul and Mensis didn't look different enough from the rest of the game. You also seem to have a very specific definition of "eldritch" in your head that you feel the game does not adhere too, especially in the visual direction.
However you want to define "eldritch", the fact is that the ENTIRE story and impetus of the game's events is about scholars making contact with alien gods. To say that this isn't directly inspired by HPL would be retarded.
>>339227227
Here's my take on it:
Wet nurse is a woman who takes care of a child when the mother is not available (that is the actual definition) and we can assume Mergon is the child of Queen Yharnam and Oedon (seeing as how Oedon is described to be invisible and present everywhere at the same time, and Mergo is not visible in her stroller and her/his cries can be heard everywhere once you trigger the red moon. We also know this is possible because Oeodon impregnated the prostitute on Cathedral ward too (description of the thrid umbilical cord you get from her), so it is possible for Oedon to impregnate people. Yharnam also has a bleeding stomach.
Mensis used their own umbilical cord to have audience with Mergo herself (not the wet nurse). The whole Mensis/mergo ritual was brought upo so that Mergo could be fully born, wet nurse is just there to look after her since for aome reason Yharnam can't. Your contract with the moon prescence ends once you kill Mergo's Wet Nurse AND Mergo, as the game purposefully delays the message "Nightmare Slain" until Mergo's cries stop, indicating you also slayed Mergo. For some reason, Moon Presence wanted you to either stop the mensis ritual or to straight up kill Mergo, since one of these two triggers your contract's end.
Also noteworthy to point out that Yharnam doesn't actually "bow" to you but more like falls over and dissappears, much like she does if you attack her anyways.
>>339227985
you'll see
I dunno, boss fights like this really got me pumped
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdYYOvBg16U
Wish I knew how to webm.
>>339228037
One thing I disliked about BB was how the clocktower had such a massive focus through a ton of the pre-release and marketing footage, and then was mysteriously underused in game.
It felt like a bit of a slap in the face when it turned out it was majorly featured in the dlc, this is unusual because souls games usually follow of an ethos of "if you can see it and it looks important, you will go there".
>>339227985
Don't judge a book by it's cover anon, cmon. You should know this by now.
>>339227851
I think that Witcher 3 is probably one of the most organic, enjoyable iterations of a generic fantasy europe in video games. It's dark without being edgy, it's historically accurate for the period, and while shit gets dire at times, you have characters who act out of true, genuine loyalty for one another that surprises and delights me. It kicks the living shit out of other attempts at its genre, like Fucking Dragon Age Inquisition, a game so simultaneously incompetent and uninteresting that I would rather burn the disc than every play it again. Witcher 3 is a great Story.
However, Bloodborne is the better Game. It trumps Witcher 3 in gameplay, challenge and aesthetic, and the overarching plot of Bloodborne is far more engaging and captured my imagination to a greater degree. Both games are Great, but Witcher 3 is Great as a piece of fiction. Bloodborne is great as a Video Game.
>>339228179
The 2 bosses back to back is the most satisfying end to a modern fromsoft game
Bloodborne.
I have yet to play more Das3 but something is missing in DaS3
Dark souls 3 is sort of really easy ..
Dose anyone have the video some guy on/r/bloodbornemade? It's basically a trailer type previewing Bloodbornes combat and showing a lot of bosses with really fast music. It's like an action trailer for Bloodborne more or less.
Anyone have it?
>>339225556
Bump for advice.
>>339228132
>entire story and impetus
You fundamentally miss the point of the entire argument friend.
We are talking about the twist and it's effect on the player. Unless you really dig in and scavenge and connect various plot devices and events together while you are playing, I can't imagine the game will have that effect.
I was describing, as a first time player of bloodborne, how I felt the "twist" or eldritch development throughout the game, was actually relatively limp, and how I largely felt the end game areas didn't do anywhere near enough to diversify themselves from the tonality or expectations of the main game.
As I have mentioned numerous times, an encounter where I felt the game evaded this was the bosses in upper cathedral ward, its just such a shame the level design there was also very limp.
>>339228276
>I think that Witcher 3 is probably one of the most organic, enjoyable iterations of a generic fantasy europe in video games
What about it was not generic though?
>>339227307
bretty awesome, but I actually enjoyed the first half of the game more, specifically the beginning. There was something so real about "the night of the hunt", that it actually freaked me out more than the lovecraftian atmosphere. Knocking on house doors, and getting replies that shunned you, and slowly watching as the day turns from dusk to night, was easily one of the greatest atmosphere transitions I've ever experienced in a game.
Is Bloodborne a modern day Castlevania game?
>>339228225
The DLC had always been in mind during development. A Japanese trailer from 2014 had the Living Failures music in it.
DaS3=BB=DaS>DaS2=DeS
I like them all for their own reasons.
It's too hard to say one is objectively better than the other when their flaws are so apparent and their strengths are so meaningful.
>>339228525
>still using pre-release screenshots
only bb fans
>>339219038
>mfw wanting to SPACE WIZARD but that early game and gem grind
>>339228525
I consider it A proper 3D CV game
>>339228454
.....
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>>339228454
meant for
>>339228283
>>339228541
It's still a big disappointment in general.
I think if you asked any person who was watching and kept up with the game before it's release to name the big structural reveal, they'd agree it was the clocktower.
>>339228382
Go to /dsg/ (the dark souls general over at /vg/, you'll get tons of answers
>>339228586
Didn't mean to quote.
>>339228525
>There will never be a full third person view castlevania that lives up to it's 2D titles
>>339223620
And here I am. Yet another anon calling you stupid.
>>339228306
It's the Soul, ironically enough. Bloodborne is dripping with passion and creativity. The designers had a whole new world to fill with ideas, unshackled by the "lore" of the Souls series, and fill it they did.
Dark Souls 3, by comparison, is another entry in a franchise. Another page in a story that was finished with Dark Souls 1. Dark Souls doesn't exist as a setting anymore, it exists as a brand.
>>339228454
It think you meant to quote my post here >>339228283
I don't consider "Generic" a negative term. All art is theft after all, and I'd rather see an unoriginal concept done great than an original concept done alright. The Witcher is a setting with Elves and Dwarves and Griffons and Dragons. It's got magic and gods and kings. It's based thoroughly on european folklore and myth, and there is Nothing wrong with any of that. It's a homerun of generic fantasy.
It's just that Bloodborne took some ground less often tread, and hit it out of the park just as hard.
>>339228360
If anyone is interested, I found it.
Here's the video, it's fucking awesome.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltJbmChmLMc
>>339220074
>>Just beat Amelia
I'd say 20% through counting DLC and all optional areas (not including chalice dungeons).
>>339228447
Not him but it feels like you just failed to see these elements in the game either because of rushing or un-interest and you want to use this as an argument even though any attentive player would have caught everything that felw over your face.
>>339228156
I don't think Mergo is dead, only aslee,p after the Wetnurse is slain. They slowly stop crying and then breath calmly, like Ludwig, the Doll and German when they're shown to be asleep, the game epathisis characters sleeping o you can recognize it here through sound alone.
Like her mother is described in the Yharnam stone, Mergo's calcified body, their "Horrific consciousness lives on".
The major difference between us is that you think the Nurse is benevolent and I think it's malevolent, and that the name is ironic, it is sustaining mergo's torment, mergo's cries, because it is a nightmare.
And the animation is different, Yharnam gives you soft bow after Mergo is lulled back to sleep.
>>339228830
very cool
goddamn this game was so great
miyazaki is god
>>339228830
why would one use such a pleb weapon?
>>339228830
THAT WAS DAMN GOOD
>>339229024
Its fun wielding a great sword that comes smashing down on your enemies man
>>339229213
I told ya its awesome, its a good representation of BB
>>339228447
> Unless you really dig in and scavenge and connect various plot devices and events together while you are playing
The thing is, LOTS of people do this, the storytelling is one of the most acclaimed aspects of the Souls series. Also, since the alien shit wasn't shown at all prerelease, you as the player unravel the story and come to the 'truth', exactly like the protag in an HPL story.
I agree that Yahar'gul and Mensis aren't very visually distinct. However, I feel as though the eldritch shit remains somewhat in the background, and I think that's thematically appropriate. Yahar'gul and Mensis are pocket dimensions created by humans so it makes sense that they look similar to the real world, but warped. Nightmare Frontier is the closest we get to an "eldritch" area. Moon Presence is also a hidden boss, otherwise you fight Gherman and the eldritch shit is even more in the background. But again, it's appropriate to have that shit on the peripherals to some extent - it's mostly in the lore which you didn't read.
Bloodborne was good up until about vicar amelia, everything after was disappointment after disappointment other than logarius and gehrman.
>>339228830
Meanwhile in Witcher 3 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaeit-y-urc
>>339228830
There's also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXL6AaA1UCc
Illiteratefag here. Is Lovecraft actually worth reading or is it just a nerd culture meme? Also where should I start?
Why are there so many bonfires in Dark Souls 3?
>>339228825
>unoriginal concept done great
Except I don't think it was done great at all. You almost see none of the wonders that could have be formed from the fantasy genre (Dragons/Manticores etc) and instead see the generic "Wyverns, trolls" etc instead. They did nothing new despite having source material that would allow them to incorporate actually original designs.
Outside of leshens there was not a single original enemy in Witcher 3. Unless you count the "totally not Goblins/zombies" Nekkers that have been in past Witcher games.
>>339229269
>Its fun wielding a great sword that comes smashing down on your enemies man
Its more fun getting a parry and doing a Leaping R2 to make pancakes.
Its more gun to have a BMAed pistol in 1 hand as a fast attack option while waffle ironing with jumping r2
>>339228830
That was very good music syncing
>>339222575
fucking des fags. It wasn't as good as you think it was. Anyone who says that BB is worse than DeS has 0 taste, and probably watches anime as well.
>>339229304
>LOTS of people do this
Not really, most people do it after a playthrough or two, the vast majority don't do it as they are playing through the game.
>it's mostly in the lore
Which is why, fundamentally, I didn't find the growth into "eldritch" or "twist" as some people love to lavish it as, very exciting.
I do enjoy BB's themes overall, although I felt it could have easily done with another year to focus on the pthumerian side, also known as, the content that chalice dungeons were blatantly meant to eventually be, as it felt like they abandoned giving any of the great ones large involvement with the world or motivations beyond moon presence's "potential" actions, at the expense of having a pthumerian labyrinthian city underground to develop a history that the player can learn through the environment.
BB's story is absolutely at it's best when it was focussed on the birth and implied split at byrgenwerth of the various factions in the game's lore.
I was disappointed that it took the dlc to remedy a lot as well.
>>339229503
Lovecraft is pretty fun, if you like similar stuff he's definitely enjoyable and not a very difficult read. Most of his stories are pretty short.
Call of Cthulhu and Shadow over Innsmouth are the most well known. I also recommend:
>The Dunwich Horror
>Herbert West Reanimator
>The Rats in the Walls
>The Music of Eric Zann
>Dream Quest of Unknown Kadath
>The Colour out of Space
and lots of other good ones.
>>339218451
Not him, but covenants didn't work and had no point
The lack of equipment options wasn't really an issue, but felt scant compared to DaS/DeS
PVP had no point (see covenants) and was very samey because limited magic/weapon options
like 90% Dog bosses that fight very much the same (and frankly play like DaS dog/rat bosses)
Werewolf transformations were a huge part of the story, but the mechanic didn't work for player characters at release
Chalice dungeons seemed like a good idea, until you realized it was the same 4 rooms over and over...
I really liked it, and the c'thulu stuff, and the way they handled their "secret" ending, but it had loads of issues.
>>339229357
Lmao
>>339229503
He's good, just be orepared for lots of racism and NIGGER MAN
>>339223620
You're fucking insane.
>>339221587
>>339220210
I think people refer to games in past tense when they're done with playing them. If somebody says 'is', no matter how old the game is, it means that he's still playing them.
>>339229357
kek'd/10
>>339229910
DELETE THIS
>>339216467
Never played bloodborne is it linear like DeS3 or are there lots of optional paths that lead to new areas and sequence breaking.
>>339229554
http://thewitcher3.wiki.fextralife.com/Creatures+and+Monsters
I suppose calling well over half the enemies in BB villagers/werewolves, pigs, snakes, witches, humans, big men, ghosts, midgets, spiders, crows etc. is just as valid a criticism?
Bloodborne was a mechanically perfect action game.
To the point where I kind of wish it wasn't an RPG, so that your weapons/guns/magic/items could all be equally viable without having to grind forever to get your stats up.
>>339229761
How do you know what "most" people do? I didn't even say most, I said lots. I do, the friends I have who play the games do, and lots of people talk about the stories of these games online.
You admit that the reason you didn't find the story twist exciting is because you didn't pay attention to the story.
Also, having the great ones be more prominent would ruin them. They're meant to be forces ascended past the level of humanity, whose motivations are incomprehensible to humans. This is literally a cornerstone of the cosmic horror genre. Your comments, again, betray your lack of understanding and your poor taste.
>>339229990
there are more optional areas and bosses than mandatory ones
Am I the only one who loved Chalice dungeons?
>>339230403
I do, Cooping depth 5s with level 40s-to 60s is the best endgame activity in a modern fromsoft game
>>339229357
>Combat is the reason why I couldn't get into W3
It really is that bad. Even comparing it to other RPGs like KOTOR or NWN its bad.
DaS3 cause it's longer + a bit harder so far, and the new DLC will just add on to game time. Though BB still has the best world/theme and trick weapons are such a fucking great idea.
>>339230403
I do, roguelikes are comfy
>>339222518
This guy can't be serious.
>>339229761
>it's mostly in the lore
>Which is why, fundamentally, I didn't find the growth into "eldritch" or "twist" as some people love to lavish it as, very exciting.
The biggest issue for these games as a whole. It's hard getting invested into their stories without getting invested into the 'lore'. Feels like they've been getting more and more confusing since after Demon's Souls.
>>339229396
Holy fuck. I already knew it, but watching this makes me feel it.
Bloodborne has the best fucking Soundtrack in Souls. People who don't feel like actually discussing it in favor of greentexting "It's all just orchestral scores over and over again" don't know their shit.
Bloodborne's musical talent runs the fucking spectrum from Bombastic Terror in the One Reborn, to Somber, Poignant Remorse in Gherman's theme. Laurence's theme is another example of this, along with Maria, and then you have pure adrenal terror in Moon Presence and Logarius.
Orphan of Kos is dissonant and unsettling. Ludwig is powerful and intimidating. The whole soundtrack is slam dunk after slam dunk. Even the bosses that aren't great themselves have great fucking themes, like Living Failures. It's just sublime.
>>339230457
>you broke the game's time counter
Literally how, that's 1500+ hours or like 60 days of playtime.
>>339230161
But that's the thing, get me the most visually interesting enemy in the Witcher 3 that isn't a Leshen.
It's just night and day. Fromsoftware's creative team really are fantastic
>>339230209
I don't deny that the great ones having more prominence would have probably been handled awfully and ruined them, but the designers could have at least built a bit more around them to make them more interesting in the games world, especially with amygdala, where all we really got were the statues to build them up, they feel so limited and uninteresting compared to other souls creatures, they lack motivation.
I propose that what the developers originally had in store was for the pthumerian area to be a great store of "arcane wonder and research" which would have built up the bigger picture a bit more, and helped develop the game as a mythology, rather than the somewhat limited scope it has right now.
That's why I said the parts focussing on the actual world building in the early part of yharnam's history with the events around byrgenwerth were so interesting, I wanted more of that, I wanted BB to develop it's world more.
The DLC helped it a lot I guess.
>>339230727
I dunno, I found laurence's theme to be a boring retread of cleric beasts theme, just like the boss itself apart from the third phase.
I liked maria as a boss fight as well, but I don't feel the music really defined the fight that much.
Orphan of kos had an absolutely fantastic first phase, it was perfect, but I thought the second phase devolved into a much more generic sounding track.
I prefer DaS3's overall
>>339230403
There's something comfy about mindlessly tearing through floor after floor of hapless mooks until getting to the Real Shit. I'm not in love with the chalice dungeons, but I appreciate them for what they are. There are areas in DaS3 that feel like Chalice Dungeons despite being manually created areas, instead of procedurally generated. The Demon Ruins are the obvious example, but in my opinion Irithyll Dungeon came to feel more like a Chalice Dungeon than Tower of Latria. Just a bunch of little rooms tacked onto each other, after the initial two-level cell block.
Demon's Souls is the best in the series if you played it from release. Our bodies were not ready. If you think that DS3 is better, then you played it later.
>>339231012
People who say Laurence's theme sounds anything like cleric beast shouble be shot on sight in the middle of the street as an example to what happens to liars and people who talk without even paying attention to what they talked about.
>>339216467
I say BB for now. The DLC might bring DS3 to it's level. I remember launch BB being pretty awful, so I'll wait until all the DLC and patches are released for DS3 before actually comparing them. The only thing I say for sure DS3 won't surpass BB in personally is the atmosphere and worldbuilding imo. I'm having a lot more fun with DS3's pvp though, and theostand bosses were overall better than BB's, not counting the DLC honestly.
>>339231074
I'm willing to agree with this. Played DaS 1 as my first game, then went to Gamestop and got demons for 8 dollars.
Eight.
Dollars.
It was amazing, and I loved seeing how some of the ideas had developed (undead burg, giant-demon-boss-at-beginning-you-are-meant-to-die-to, Ancient Dragon/bed of chaos...) but it did feel less polished Than DaS, because of course it was.
That jail level in DeS though. Goddam. And it also had a lot more unique looking weapons and designs.
>always wanted a good gothic werewolf/vampire hunter game
>always wanted a good lovecraftian game
>bloodborne happens
>its perfect
>pve
bloodborne > ds3
>lore
bloodborne > ds3... no contest
>pvp
ds3 > bloodborne
although the award for worst game area goes to bloodborne, for that ridiculous snake forest in the forbidden woods.
>>339230773
Hym, Feind, Leshen, Botchling, the various vampires, penitent, gargoyle, ice giant, djinn's
Being a boss and area focused game, I would expect BB to have better designs in that regard
Whereas, TW3 had far more memorable characters and world interactions, with better writing.
>>339231012
DaS3 can hardly even take the credit for its own soundtrack. You have multiple instances that, just like Cleric and Laurence, retread an earlier theme (the correct term is "Reprisal")
Aldrich is just a more thunderous Gwyndolin theme (like the fight itself). And Soul of Cinder is just a reprisal of Gwyn's theme. Everything else just kind of blends together to the point where all that really stands out to me are the reprisals.
The only themes I can really even remember, despite just completing the game for the umpteenth time, are the themes of Pontiff Sully and the Dancer, because they're slow paced and chilling compared to "BOOMING CHOIR WITH NO REAL DIFFERENCE IN THEME OR TONE"
>>339230773
>moon presence's face is an umbilical cord cross section and captivates you by driving its head into your naval
>rom is named after the arachnid cavity of the human brain, literally an empty "vacuous" spider
>Ebrietas is implied to have hatched from a rom-like creature, and there's a butterfly-shaped groove in the arachnid cavity
>Amygdala gets it's name and almod shaped hea from the part of the brain that controls your fear response
The best fucking gothic science fiction designs
>>339231141
But they do sound similar.
Laurence's is quieter at the start, with different instruments and gradually explodes, but I do hear a ton of similarities.
It doesn't help that the boss visually is just like the cleric beast.
>>339230403
I love em too, sadly I can never co op in em cus no frens. Gave up on getting to the yarhnam queen for now
>>339231401
Reminder
>>339231401
>>Amygdala gets it's name and almod shaped hea from the part of the brain that controls your fear response
holy shit i did not know this
Theres so much behind bloodborne im still finding shit out about it
>>339231368
Don't forget Old Demon King is just a reprisal of Bed of Chaos' themenot that anyone even knows it
>>339231550
>'Tonsil'
>english to latin
>>339223409
retard
As much as I like Dark Souls 3, its familiarity and slight fan service moments make it feel somewhat stale. Even with all the things they brough back from Demon's Souls, it still feels like ive been there and done that.
Bloodborne was just a new game all the way around. It has that same quality that Nioh has, like I know the systems and most mechanics but the tempo and tactics are different. Like how fighting games are the same layout mechanically yet different style and pacing.
>>339231657
...Huh.
I rest my case.
>>339219237
how is ds3 close ? combat is worse the dodging mechanics make me sick i've hoped they change it to be more like BB , weapons are meh compared to BB, everything is far worse i can't think of one thing that ds3 is better than Bloodborne
>>339231308
>It was all a dream AYY LMAO
The lore is shit.
>>339231651
I mean... It is, but it works with the frontal lobe as a decision making center in the flight-or-fight process. The Amygdala is generally more concerned with things like imaginary audience (everyone is watching me in this room full of people who have no reason to watch me), sex drive, and other really base fear impulses.
I don't mean to say the other poster was wrong, but I think you can appreciate it more if you know that this is unmitigated pure fear we're talking about, absent of human logic (frontal lobe) and the learning that comes with memory (hippocampus).
>>339231929
>It was all a dream AYY LMAO
nothing suggests this
>>339231971
don't worry, anon. He got the bad ending.
>>339231368
>soul of cinder is just a reprisal of gwyn's theme
I felt that with alrich and soul of cinder it was more justified because of how they handled the bosses,
If you listen to the aldrich track, it's a corruption of gwyndolins track, it has unusual vocals behind it, and it explodes outwards in phase 2.
The soul of cinder track's first phase is actually completely different, the second phase introduction of the gwyn motif is more of a reflection as it doesn't actually use the melody, it uses a few of the notes.
With the laurence theme, it was made worse because of the clear cut and paste job with the textures, other than the phase 3 lava part, but the subdued cleric beast feeling wasn't exactly the main problem I had with BB's ost in comparison to the other souls games.
Rather, outside of a few tracks, it felt monotonous in tone, there was tons of parts I felt just fell into the "horror/action" feeling soundtrack style, the dlc did a decent job at avoiding this, although I still found maria's music kind of disappointing, although to bring up a previous mention, I also found soul of cinder disappointing for the same reason, the music doesn't really define the boss very well, soul of cinder mainly in his first phase, where it all exists as a lead up to the second phase so they stuck with really generic bombastic strings. Anyway, back on point, gascoigne is an example of where I felt the track outside of the game was boring to listen to, it's actiony/tension building music that serves it's purpose in game, but doesn't really appeal to me on a level as a listener, if I could compare it to anything, it's how horror film makers use varying degrees of silence to build tension, it's that sort of music, you wouldn't listen to it outside or really take notice of it pleasurably outside of the game.
There were exceptions, the dlc, gehrman and ebrietas, but that's really it for me, I was pretty disappointed with BB's ost overall
>>339231929
>he doesn't know
>>339232014
even then, ending in the hunters dream does not mean = "ITS ALL A DREAM XD"
>>339231971
you know kings field was actually just a dream too. a dream of a god, gods dreams can become reality. this type of spooky shit was always in the kingsoulsborne series.
>>339232238
>kingsoulsborne
>>339232115
I will also add a selection of my favourite tracks from these games:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enkEiD8PC5o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB6sOhQan9Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub-bg-rmEF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSY-c1hhtBM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8ShsHeYkeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sr349qR9s8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RzA_Oomra8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJSiaf9m55s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFRaZs6ri7s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4KjLWUZkbU
>>339232238
>kingsoulsborne
Period game.
>>339232282
Yeah, what a dumbas,
It's Armored King's Soulsborne
>>339229667
yeah if that's true then how come you're wrong, huh?
nailed it
>>339232390
>Armored King's Soulsborne
>>339231012
Same, although I found some tracks in DS3 to be just downright awful, like Crystal Sages, Wolnir, Cursed Greatwood, and Ancient Wyvern, which is appropriate I guess, since they're all shitty fights. However there are some really good ones like Twin Princes, Soul of Cinder, Pontiff, and Abbyss Watchers that really make the fights much better. Hell even meh fights like Vordt and Yhorm have amazing tracks, which I feel are wasted honestly. The rest of the tracks are still good, although not great.
>>339231693
well it used to work
>mother is dead her baby is cursed
>>339232557
they are hiding something....
more BB dlc confirmed
das3, bb had like 0 good fights outside of the dlc
>>339223313
Jesus christ, how can one be so delusional?
I want to play BB butmuh PC
I'm enjoying DaS but I've heard DaS2 is shit and I'm only really interested in PvE
>>339232831
not worth it
I thought it was worth it
it wasn't,
I now have an incredibly dusty ps4 staring at me every day
>>339216467
Bloodborne hands down. I liked DS3 and even platinum'd both but I just didn't feel love for it. The mobs were tougher than the bosses which makes no sense to me.
>>339232693
>bb had like 0 good fights outside of the dlc
LEH to the MOW
>>339232831
DaS2 is personally my favorite in the series, but you know by now /v/ hates it with a passion. Best thing to do is disregard everything and do the research. Pirate it and play a bit. If you like it and want the online components, go ahead and buy it if you want.
Dark Souls 3 doesn't even come close to how good Bloodborne was.
>>339232831
Wait for the new ps4 and some more games honestly. Nioh is pretty good, and Nier is going to obviously be great, so if you like action games, you'll have 3 great games to play. Right now, I have nothing to play on my ps4, since I also have a PC and am just playing DS3 and overwatch on it. I mean Uncharted 4 was alright, but holy shit did they fuck up the multiplayer.
>>339218549
That is a really comfy picture for some reason
cute and misunderstood
Well i disliked bloodborne but still loved DS3
So i'm gonna choose DS3.
>>339223620
The references are pretty clear cut. All pic related needed was a "WELCOME TO INNSMOUTH" sign when you first come in if they wanted to make it more obvious.
>>339223620
>there were no areas that really had an overall "eldritch feeling"
The flying fuck are you talking about. Like half the game is Eldritch shit you massive faglord.
>>339234515
I didn't play the dlc when the game came out though.
Also, similar elements, doesn't literally mean it's innsmouth, of all the comments about fishing hamlet, this is the most obnoxious.
It's a bunch of demented fishing villagers and a slug cave, with a constant rain feeling, and the body of the great one lying on the shore.
I like the dlc areas the most specifically because of how they are absolutely so much better than the shitty nightmare areas we got with the main game. It's just a shame that fishing hamlet was kind of short.
The whole theme of stillbirth in Bloodborne really wigs me out. From what I can gather, all Great Ones in Bloodborne are women, or at the very least humans attempt to explains them better by conflating them with females for various reasons, and they are also all technically stillborn? What I'm led to believe is that a Great One invariably experiences a miscarriage every time it gives birth, and yet the "baby Great One" is still born.
Queen Yharnam is constantly depicted with blood dripping from her crotch as if Mergo had been miscarried and yet Mergo is still alive. Is the idea here that Great Ones are all in some kind of state between death and life? I.E. they are born and die simultaneously and thus exist transcendent of both?
>>339234296
a very disappointing boss
gascoince, gerhman, elder, decendant and logaruis are far better humanoid bosses
she only beats out yarny queen cause yarny queen can be poise broken by 1 bullet making it impossible for her to retaliate
>>339216604
/thread
>>339234976
Kind of? You can't really kill a great one as evidence by Kos still raining lightning down your ass despite it being a corpse
>>339216467
Bloodborne
I was in the Dark Souls 3 camp until I did NG+, and promptly beat the game in 5 hours. PvP in DS3 is also really bad.
Bloodborne has a really awesome dark/gothic design, but the lack of weapon diversity sucked.
Bloodborne>DaS>DeS>DaS3>DaS2
BB is the superior game. DaS III is great, but it falls short in a lot of ways. Plot wise, BB has a superior story. I appreciate the continuation that of the DaS lore, but honestly, I didn't feel like it added much of anything, and some parts came off as really convoluted and poorly thought out.
DaS did an excellent job of minimalist story telling; DaS III however, just felt like they were blatantly leaving things ambiguous for no other reason than its own sake. I would have like to have seen them instead expand on the Lore in DaS and gone into further detail with the world, rather than just, "Oh there were some gods, and then these new guys showed up, oh also there's multiple worlds and shit now." It felt very weak and at the end of the game I was very unsatisfied.
BB was a completely fresh experience, and although it was much more in your face kind of story telling, it still did an excellent job of leaving things just vague enough that the world felt very deep and mysterious.
Gameplay wise, I don't think there's much a contest. There's definitely more weapons in DaS, but many of them felt like mostly copy paste movesets of one another. BB had far less weapons, but each one felt very unique in it's own right and offered playstyles different enough from each other to keep things interesting. I also found the boss fights in BB much more interesting and intense.
DaS III, the boss fights didn't really come across as memorable, and some were downright dull, having to use the exact same spin and roll strategy just like the others. It felt very lacking, and we didn't seem as progressive as BB. I understand that they were wanting to keep the traditionalist DaS approach, but honestly, I wish they hadn't.
Finally, multiplayer was way more fun in BB. Even with summons, the world felt very punishing, and there was far more ability for invaders to set traps and interact with objects in the world; such as the gate in Cathedral. <c>
dks3
>>339235340
woah
>>339235217
I agree that the PVP feels rushed. They really needed to do something more interesting with all those copypasted covenants. Maybe set up an alignement system where you're more likely to invade someone of the opposite covenant?
>>339224052
>DeS pve not at the top
>Ds3 pve above BB
>BB ost not at the top
>DeS ost at the bottom
>DS3 bosses above BB
>DeS bosses at the bottom
Why was Ebrietas "left behind?" And what the hell does the game mean exactly by "left behind?"
>>339235308
There was a real sense of accomplishment being able to get through areas in BB, even with friends. In DaS III, I didn't have that; it just felt like I was blatantly steam rolling through the game. And yes, I am aware you don't have to play co-op, that's a perfectly good argument; however, I still enjoy the ability to play with friends and other people, but it does not mean I necessarily want the game to become easier in doing so.
I also came to very much appreciate the bell system, rather signs. Although I did miss seeing signs on the ground, I felt like that system created a scenario where now people just summon in one or two places; either at the bonfire or at the boss gate. BB's system was more enjoyable to me in that you rang the bell and you never knew where a phantom might pop up at. That was very exciting to me.
Finally, BB was much more balanced in terms of builds. I don't want to delve to much on this, because From will most likely get to patching it eventually, but I don't like how in DaS III we see the same 1 of 4 meta builds throughout the game. It gets old, and makes invasions not fun. Not to mention the excusable amount of bugs for online play.
>>339235603
She didn't ascend so to speak. If you kill a true great one you get a Nightmare slain message instead of a Prey slaughtered
>>339235340
>you are now aware that the darkness is an approaching force, and the fire keeps it at bay
>>339235038
you misunderstand, she's cute
>>339235308
I disagree about the bosses, I thought twin princes, sulyvahn, champion gundyr and nameless king were far more memorable than anything outside of the dlc.
I also disagree about the "minimalist" story telling.
Both DaS3 and BB were good at giving the player hints at to what was going on in the areas.
In high wall, the winged knight corpse has lothric knight spears and swords in it, the only living winged knight is surrounded by tons of knight corpses. In the castle, the last line of soldier's isn't there to defend the princes from you, they are there to defend from the golden winged knights atop the archives. In the castle, there is a small room, a base for the angelic knights of lothrics faith, in the twin princes room there are tons of feathers, I wonder why...
In smouldering lake there is a giant ballista and across from it there are tons of demon corpses, the are black knights scattered underground in the trench chambers ready to defend from the demons. The old demon king is surrounded by corpses and is almost dead when you get to him, why? Because it's an effect to add to the whole story of smouldering lake, it's a war site.
In farrons keep, the ghru are darkwraiths are trailing to the keep, you wonder why they are there, and why the ghru are ready to attack them, you later learn the ghru are descendants of the abyss watchers and the abyss watchers are rising in the keep, it all adds to a sense of "realisation" to the world.
I vastly prefer how dark souls 3 handled the four lords, because they felt alive and living and active in the same time as you, rather than feeling archaic and dated like dark souls 1, where you felt like someone disturbing the dead.
Multiplayer is the last point I would disagree with you on, in dark souls 3 you have tons of little things you can do, all the variations in rings, whereas bloodborne's runes were incredibly dull by comparison, the more interesting, if not as good as 2's covenants, and the superior invasions
>>339235217
I thought Bloodborne's extremely limited arsenal of weapons was lame at first, but honestly it's an issue of quality over quantity. Literally all the weapons in Bloodborne are fucking cool and fun to use. Finding and experimenting with a new weapon in BB feels substantial, rather than the experience of finding a new straight sword in Dark Souls, seeing if it has better stats/scaling than the one you're holding, and either equipping it if it does or literally never using it if it doesn't.
>>339227307
only got to play it recently so I was spoiled on most things in the game.
when I read about it my response was "whoa"
>>339235787
and a boring boss
>>339235849
Sulyvahn was the overall highlight for me, the best shadow double boss fight ever, everything Mergo's Wetnurse should have been, she was too easy
>>339235867
a big problem with bb's weapons in my opinion, is that the ones before the dlc were sometimes kind of underwhelming.
I think people really should factor in the DLC's importance when it comes to BB, it changed so much
>>339235217
Weapon diversity in Bloodborne is fine. It's quantity you're thinking of.
Having 10 different greatswords with minor variations of the same moveset =/= diversity. Having 5 different Katanas with the exact same fucking moveset with the exception of a single two-handed R2 (still an overhead slash) does not fucking equal diversity.
Bloodborne has a couple of every weapon type, and every single weapon is more than just Viable, they are exemplary of their category. It has two greatswords, one being a quality weapon, the other being the MGS. The Quality weapon is great, but shitter give it a bad name, and the MGS is subjectively the best fucking iteration of said sword in the franchise.
There are three maces, one is a lightning mace that you can buff at will for boosted damage, the other attaches, one is a blood mace that can be plunged into the user to make it larger and more powerful, and one attaches to a motherfucking buzzsaw.
There are two hammers, one of which shares an untransformed moveset with the prior mentioned Greatsword, and is a fucking joy to swing around, being my personal favorite weapon of its type in souls, and the other is a fire weapon that can be charged to grant considerable fire damage to the next strike, be it a light sweep or a heavy explosion.
There is one dagger, technically two, as it is a single blade that splits in half, and it has the best moveset of any dagger in souls period, especially when transformed.
There are two whips, one transforming into a thrusting weapon in the form of a cane, and the other being a heavy serrated cleaver.
There are two Katanas, one being a true katana and the other being a cutlass and dagger combo that function like a katana.
There are a few Saw weapons, ostensibly Curved Swords in category, and each has a unique moveset and utility.
I could go on an on and on, but the point remains the same: Bloodborne has build Variety and Quality. Quantity is unnecessary.
>>339216467
Gone Home.
>>339235727
Yeah, but what exactly is meant by "ascent" here? Is it like an ascent beyond the physical plane or something to that effect? Did Rom or Amygdala also not "ascend?" Or is the supernatural, dream settings in which you encounter those two indicative of them having ascended whereas with Ebrietas you don't actually need to teleport to any other "plane of existence" to find her.
Im comfortable in the fact that I won't play ds3 anymore until they actually balance the broken weps.
BB was too easy, the spooky theme got a bit tiring nearing the end, the aliens thing wasn't well made, the online was terrible, the weapons were cool as fuck though (6/10)
DS3 was too much Dark Souls, formula became tired by that point i'm seriously so fucking sick of more mobs of skeletons and undead humanoids (4/10)
>>339236101
Something involving the dream realms I think. Thing is true great ones don't really die, for example Kos still helping her kid, Mergo still kicking after being still born, Oprhan just fucks off somewhere as evidenced by the narrator. Maybe it was that, when you "ascend" you gain some form of immortality
>>339236164
>People complain that 'b'-team fucked up ds2 by balancing all the weapons
>People now complain that From fucked up DS3 by favoring a few weapons
Can't win
>>339236301
>DS3 was too much Dark Souls
The difficulty spikes from levels to bosses on bb were insane and the bosses had SO much health. Add to that the grinding for resources and you've got a game with some very tedious gameplay.
>>339236517
the problem I found with bb's fights is that they made the first three bosses the hardest fights in the game, then the rest was easy.
>>339236048
>the other being a cutlass and dagger combo that function like a katana.
I'm not really into the rakuyo's design, I think it would have been better served if they went full twinblade/dual katanas.
As is the transformation animations look awkward and flimsy, the way your hunter jerks their arms about to plug and unplug the dagger. Like they could have riffed on the Blade of Mercy's slick animations and interlocked the handles and have them slide apart, instead of having to jam them together.
>>339235849
I mean, that is your opinion and I respect that. I would definitely agree with you that of the bosses you named, those were definitely the best ones in the game (except Sulyvahn, which I felt was too familiar to Mergo's Wetnurse).
And I'm not denying the fact that the are definitely some very great world building tools in and hints in DaS III. I just felt over all, the story didn't really expand on much that we didn't already know, and any new elements they added on didn't feel developed enough. More like, they thought of something that was a good idea, but didn't do much with it other than place a few tid bits here and there. As an over arching story though, I found it fell short to what I was expecting.
I am going to personally disagree with you completely on the multiplayer, especially the rings. I find that the rings are often times, far too overpowering and just create the opportunity for cheese builds. For example the one ring that makes it so your rolls are all but invincible is a stupid idea, and never should have been put into the game. I prefer mechanics that alter your characters' ability by the slightest amount. Just enough that there's a difference but it's not necessarily a game changer unless you use it properly. For me, the runes in BB did just that. They were powerful enough to feel interesting, but weak enough that they weren't game breaking.
I also don't feel that the covenants were vastly that interesting. It's basically just 4 ways to invade, and nothing else. It's also pretty lame that we're now a month after release and they still don't function properly.
I'm also very confused about the summoning invading system they chose concerning passwords. Being able to summon your friends regardless of level, is all well and good, but if you are going to take that route; why not just do it with all forms of summoning and invasions? If you have the ability to adjust stats and normalize levels based on the host, why not all then?
>>339216467
Short answer?Bloodborne
>>339236493
We don't need the amount of fan service there was on a 5 year old game
>>339236517
What spikes?
>>339219481
Looks like someone got raped.
>>339236686
Not him, but facing Gascione for the first time was definitely the moment shit got real for me.
That was probably the coolest first boss in a game I have ever played.
>>339236517
I don't know, man, I thought the bosses in BB were pretty easy. I beat something like six or seven of them on my first try, which is something I may have done maybe five times across all four Souls games. Vicar Amelia, for whatever reason, is the only boss that still consistently gives me trouble whenever I replay BB.
However, I agree having to grind to get back your bullets and vials should you ever run out is fucking annoying and I can't understand why they made the decision to go back on an Estus style system when it's clearly superior in every single way.
>>339236517
Boss health in BB was perfect. Every other games bosses had too little. ESPECIALLY Dark Souls 3. Fucking Pontiff Sulyvahn on NG+6 has less health than Ebrietas on NG. You can literally just R1 everything to death so easily with Carthus Rouge.
>>339230773
Is Paarl the best boss of Fromsoft?
>>339236901
>he ran out of phials
You can LITERALLY. JUST. BUY THEM.
If you're not spending your leftover pocket change after a level on phials and bullets then just uninstall the game and go back to Chug Souls. Forethought and planning ahead are clearly too much for your sippy-cup baby brain to handle.
>>339236952
This. The thing people need to realize that BB was less about about basic attacks, and all about going for aimed and critical attacks.
Bosses would have a shit ton of health, but if you timed your shit right you would land a visceral and take off a good chunk each time.
>>339236952
The reason why BB bosses had more hp than DS bosses is because you can chain so many attacks together and build up 4/5/6 hit combos in the time it takes to hit twice in DS
Also talking about NG+ it was really weird how the bosses up to rom had insane HP boosts but then rom onward had normal NG hp
>>339224052
>Armour:
>DS2>DS3>DS1>BB=DeS
goddamn yes
love that DaS3 brought back many of my DaS2 favorites, not all though
>Area design:
>ds2dlc>BB=DS3>DeS>ds1>BB
in general I might agree, but I think Central Yharnam and Boletarian are my two favorite areas in the series
>Graphics:
>BB>DS3>DS1=/=(variable)>DS2>DeS
I went from DaS3 to BB and BB hurts my eyes 2bh. Blurry, sub 30, and motion blur. Looks pretty but I feel like I can't truly appreciate it with all the limitations.
DaS3 is crisp and smooth, but the environment seems less detailed than BB.
>>339237085
I only bought vial at the end when you could easily afford buying them at the start was pointless since there was always an enemy nearby which dropped 2 per run
>>339237110
if they had the balls to do it I would have loved to have seen a boss that is only damageable by visceral attacks
>>339237085
There are three major flaws with the vial system:
1. Newer players, unfamiliar players will probably have to resort to farming, and enemies later in the game seem to drop vials less and less often, whereas some bosses later in the game are going to give players even more difficulty, especially at the early stages, this requires players go back to mindlessly farm, ruining the early game's pacing massively
2. By the point you are ready to start buying them, you spend a good portion of the game sitting there with that thought looming over your head, which kind of makes the game less enjoyable as the everpresent tedium between managing upgrading stats and buying health merges into eachother, and also once again ruins pacing
3. It's fundamentally a worse system than estus, if bloodborne just made up some bullshit like putting an abandoned blood shop/cart next to every lamp they could have at least justified the vials refilling on every death.
>>339229357
>Superior Blizzard gives you infinite stamina once you have 3 adrenaline charges. Using that fact, together with Adrenaline Burst (Signs now generate adrenaline charges) you can cheese your way through the final boss, as well as many of the other encounters.
Well, that seems justified by the RPG mechanics.
>>339237085
Yeah, you can buy them and it's fucking stupid and arbitrary. There's literally no reason I should have to drop everything I'm doing and wait through an almost minute long load screen to warp back to the fucking Hunter's Dream and spend my Blood Echoes getting the stupid things back. It has nothing to do with "forethought and planning," it's literally just a waste of time that adds nothing but small, nibbling tedium to an otherwise well-paced experience. It was a stupid ass design decision.
>>339216546
This, basically the same, Bloodborn is just more agressive / easy. Loved both games, can't wait for the Das3 DLC.
>>339237110
Its not really desu, R1 spam was you greatest friend since it killed bosses far faster than going for a visceral and led to them sometimes
>>339237085
>If you're not spending your leftover pocket change after a level on phials and bullets then just uninstall the game and go back to Chug Souls.
No, you know what, what I think I'm gonna do is not actually listen to you, keep the game installed, and continue playing it :^)
>>339237624
this
I beat every single boss other than logarius, where I timed the 2h into his back, with r1 spam for staggers and viscerals, along with parries in bloodborne
I have no idea why you would ever use any other attacks
>>339216467
>BB
+Better bosses
+Far better OST
+Originality
+Atmosphere
>DaS3
+Variety
+Way better PvP and matchmaking
+NPC's
Kind of subjective desu
Most PvE fags will say BB, most PvP fags will say DaS3
>>339237770
I guess humanoids could be finished easier with viscerals but its not like they weren't open enough for some r1 spam
>>339237085
>Chug Souls.
Compared to spam20vialsborne?
>>339237858
>BB
>+Better bosses
lol
>>339237858
What? The past month of discussion since Dark Souls 3's worldwide release has been almost nothing but constant, sustained bitching about the PvP.
>>339237858
>BB
>Far better OST
'No'
>>339237918
He is 100% right.
Especially with the DLC.
With Vanilla it gets a little bit closer but I still think BB wins.
And Miyazaki already went off to do his own thing so the DLC might be shit. Or not if tanimura has his shit together.
>>339237858
Dark Souls 2 is the PvPfag game, friendo
DkS3's PvP is pretty garbage by comparison
>>339219038
I hate how badly they nerfed Abhorrent Beast. He used to be a fucking pain in the ass. More aggressive, quicker, and unpredictable. Beating him before felt like actually accomplishing something.
>>339237450
>making a trip JUST for phials
You're a dumbass. I literally played through the entire game without ever running out of phials, and the reason is simple:
Whenever I went back to the Hunter's Dream and bought a couple levels or a weapon or some armor, I'd spend whatever I had left on Phials and Bullets, prioritizing whichever I had less of at the moment. The farther you get into the game, the fewer enemies drop phials, yes. However, the more you level, the more it costs, and therefore the more change you have left over from any given leveling spree.
There were times in the later game when I'd buy over 200 phials at once, after completing a chalice dungeon of mid-low depth. It's fucking simple. You don't have to make trips back JUST to stock up, it's literally an afterthought tacked onto the end of a standard Cash-in run to upgrade, level, and grab new gear.
People who farm approx. 20 phials from central Yarnham instead of doing this are actually retarded and should feel bad about themselves.
>>339237085
It's funny that you call it "Chug Souls" considering you have to spam-heal twice as much in Bloodborne as you do in Dark Souls considering the vials heal less than Estus and can't be upgraded in any facet but quantity. I mean, you start the game with 20 of the damn things, they're practically asking you to abuse them more than you would in Dark Souls.
>>339238071
I really doubt they changed his moveset
Also everyone and their mum just poison knife spammed him
>>339216467
Bloodborne has better combat, weapons, "story" and atmosphere. The bosses, too, are incredible. I fucking LOVE the setting.
Dark Souls 3 has more variety, plenty of weapons and armour especially. The areas are more varied and the bosses are interesting. It gets points deducted because they were capable of answering all the questions in the series this time around but refused to and just raised more goddamn questions.
>>339238036
At least there is an orb and no soul memory.
Das2 pvp was mostly in arenas.
Only the best if you area a mobafag.
>>339216467
Bloodborne
Miyazaki sucks at sequels
>>339229007
>>339228830
>>339229024
>>339229213
>>339229357
>>339229396
>>339229573
That isn't even his best video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Opg4qiga0pA
>>339238279
We got gwyn's firstborn.
I really didn't think anyone actually wanted answers.
That would ruin everything.
I thought people loved souls because it was so vague and because you are so fucking unimportant.
What's that weapon in ds3 that has a quickstep as part of it's movement? The one that everyone is saying is like Bloodborne
>>339238287
Soul memory was a good idea, just not implemented terribly well
thanks to SL matchmaking, DkS3 is already beginning to suffer from DkS1's "five viable weapons and three kinds of viable builds" syndrome
I can hop on DkS2 and fight twenty different weapons in a row, or I can invade in DkS3 and fight twenty Dark Sword gank squads in a row
>>339238142
You're not really considering how utterly fucking pointless it is that you should even have to take that extra step of buying them at all when they could literally just auto-regenerate as soon as you warp back to the Hunter's Dream.
>>339238071
When did they nerf him? I just dodge towards his right arm since that's where most of his attacks come from while poison knifing because I can't fucking beat him otherwise.
>I really didn't think anyone actually wanted answers.
>That would ruin everything.
Demon's Souls and Bloodborne have very concise stories while still having plenty of interesting lore.
Dark Souls 1, 2 and 3 are the only ones that are incredibly vague for no reason.
I think the only thing I want to know from Demon's Souls is why is the Maiden in Black's eyes covered with wax.
>>339238468
You can but it really isn't fun.
I didn't think any combat in das2 was fun because the core was broken somehow.
>>339238490
>I JUST WANT THEM TO GIVE IT TO ME
Go cry for your fucking binky somewhere else, please.
>>339238162
Have you fought him recently? He moves a lot more sluggish and his damage output isn't as high as before. They even included a summon near his boss door. Its a shame really
>>339238490
>when they could literally auto generate
And completely invalidate the rally system.
Putting an incredibly small value on them makes you waste them less. It encourages you to heal with the rally system.
I fucking hate the armchair game designer idea of just making it work like estus again.
>>339238552
>dragon just sits there, blasting his own nuts with firebreath
Aaaand this is why DaS2 is abysmal. THIS is their I idea of a dramatic fight with a dragon. Instakill shockwaves and retarded animations that make no fucking sense.
>play DaS3 right after completing BB and the DLC
>still haven't found a single weapon that I actually like
>haven't upgraded anything past +3 because I want to save my large shards for THAT weapon
>feel like THAT weapon is simply not in the game
BB really spoiled me. There wasn't a single weapon that I didn't like.
>>339238698
DaS1 had the only good dragon with the dlc.
DaS3 is not as shit but easiyl the worst boss.
>>339238532
Define "somehow" though
It's significantly deeper in terms of combat than any of the others and I enjoy it for that reason
desu comparing DkS1 and 3 to 2 is a lot lot comparing 64 and Brawl to Melee
No backstep iframes, huge parry/backstab windows, stunlock for days, no animation cancels, no reverse rolls, swaps are borderline impossible thanks to menu lag, stamina regen and equip load are de-synched so you have no reason to not just minmax everything, there's only three rolls as opposed to a sliding scale, no instant guard breaks so every new kid on the block can just infinitely hide behind a greatshield with an Estoc, etc.
Like, 3 basically took the one thing 2 did exceedingly well and said "lol nah let's do the really horrible shit we did on the first one again"
>>339238698
That fight was tense as fuck in Vanilla DS2 tbf, my palms got sweaty as fuck as you got him to the last 1/3rd
>>339238698
did you not fight Sinh, or
>>339238764
I didn't even mind Ancient Wyvern, really. It's not a "Real" boss fight, but it's more enjoyable than Bed of Chaos. Also, the run up to the jump-off reminded me of Prince of Persia for some reason.
>>339238740
All the weapons were thoroughly tested and loved, since one of the main selling points of the game was the combat - and by extension, transformation weapons.
Unfortunately medieval time periods are a bit restricted about that.
>>339238898
Sinh is just a poor man's Kalameet.
>>339238828
I love that comparison because I do think the people who play souls competitively are just as retarded as the ones who play nintendo party games competitively
Core combat wasn't fun.
I can't really put my finger on it. People say the weapons had a weird weight to them or invincibility frames being tied to a stat or the overall sluggishnes. Comboing felt off.
Again I don't want to say it is one specific thing since I don't know and maybe it is just the combination.
DaS2 is the only souls game I didn't go back to. And it was the core combat and the weak bosses.
Anyone who cares about PvP to the point were that is the main point for them or they suggest balancing the game around it should fellate a shotgun or go back to their ASSFAGGOTS.
>>339238551
It's just a pointless and meaningless extra step, you retard. It's an obvious design oversight, a completely pointless lack of streamlining that the game gains nothing whatsoever from. What next, are you gonna defend not being able to use more than one soul at a time in the first Dark Souls? How about having to use four Humanity sprites, sit down at the bonfire, turn human, then manually kindle the bonfire three times in a row to get the full number of Estus flasks?
>>339238629
I don't understand this point at all. The same amount of value would be placed on them if they just regenerated in the Hunter's Dream. In fact, more value would be placed on them and players would be more encouraged to regen health by counter-attacking instead of wasting a vial if they regenerated only in the Hunter's Dream and didn't drop from enemies.
OFFICIAL SOULS GAMES RANKINGS
DS1+DLC
DS1
BB+DLC
BB
DES
DS3
DS2 SOTFS
DS2+DLC
DS2All opinions are coming from a King's Field fag and are therefore official.
>>339238930
I guess. But DaS2 at least had power stancing and fist weapons were fun. If there were at least more unique weapon arts in the game. Every metal mace having perseverance, every club and axe having warcry (which is at least actually fun) and nearly every straight and great sword having stance is just kind of boring.
I'm a complete shitter at PvP though so my opinion is probably irrelevant.
>>339238353
>mfw phase 3 Amygdala duel wields Amygdalan Arms
>>339239093
I am so happy you are never ever going to design a game or going to have any input on a game.
You genuinely don't understand how if they worked like Estus they would loose value? You could use 20 between every lamp. Be incredibly wasteful and never use the rally system ever.
>>339239093
Could you be any more of a petulant little child about this? Did a blood phial touch you inappropriately? The game uses this system. Some people are annoyed by it, other feel it's just fine.
You, on the other hand, are upset in a very real way by the very possibility that someone, somewhere doesn't share your whiny bitch opinion. Shut up or fuck off, whichever is easiest for you. I'm sick of seeing your bitchposts.
>>339239240
>I'm a complete shitter at PvP though so my opinion is probably irrelevant.
Nah, you played the main game, you know the mechanics as well as anyone else. PvP is only meant to be an afterthought every time.
>>339239314
You're the one being a petulant child, you fucking idiot. I made a post briefly saying that I thought it was annoying (as an afterthought, not even the main point of the post) and this provoked your raging autism to virulently defend the dumb ass system as if you owed it something. You're the guy here that couldn't stand to see someone else not agree with your opinion, we literally wouldn't be arguing right now if it weren't for you, you stupid hypocrite
>>339229770
>No At the Mountains of Madness.
>>339239543
literally no point arguing with the current bb fanbase on /v/ they won't accept any criticism
>>339239543
Literally retarded right here.
KYS
>>339239659
Chalice dungeons.
>>339239753
Okay, dude, keep on randomly starting arguments unprovoked and then acting like you're the mature one who just wants to be left alone, you schizophrenic faggot.
>>339239925
I am the other anon.
There are two who hate you.
The other guy was just irritated by you being a child.
I just think you are retarded.
>>339239270
I'm just saying that your point is more than a little contradicted by the fact that the game deliberately has enemies that drop vials almost every single time you kill them. And like the other guy was arguing the whole time, you refill on the fucking things almost every time you return to the Hunter's Dream anyways, so it feels more like an extra step than anything that emphasizes their value.
>>339239980
>>339239925
>>339239659
would any of you a kos parasite?
>>339240086
The cost is the important thing here.
Very they are a common item drop.
That drops of pretty soon though.
More like training wheels really.
Your suggestion would mean that at every lamp you would have to port back even if you didn't mean to buy anything.
Or after every death.
You changed the cost of the Vials. To 2 loading screens.
And you honestly have the gall to call it an improvement.
>>339239980
Okay, I was willing to have a reasoned discussion with you because you didn't come out swinging like a fucking sperg, but whatever.
>>339240246
Good.
I take less posts from you as a victory.
>>339240310
If "winning" an anonymous argument is that important to you, then congrats.
>>339240392
I literally said nothing along those lines.
>>339240419
>I take less posts from you as a victory.
