>Tracer can blink circles around him
>Reaper can bait him, flank him, make him mincemeat
>Roadhog can tank all his damage even through a flash and rope him in
>Soldier 76 can dispatch him effortlessly if he gets the drop on him
>He has a slow as fuck movement speed, on par with the game's tanks
>With only 200 health to match
>If you nerf his flash or his fan, you take away his only close-quarter utilities in a world of wall-hopping cyborgs, amped up cryomancers and shotgun-toting ghosts
Whiners, explain yourselves.
He can kill any tank with flash and dash.
>>339132149
Also,the wolf only needs to catch you once,for the game to be over.
Him having a flashbang is fucking dumb. Make him kick sand. Way more thematic.
>He csn kill literally any hero with fan roll fan alone
>somehow this isn't fucking broken according to op
the problem with him is the aoe on the flash and the accuracy of the fan. that thing is just a huge autoaim damage cone around him that is effective even at medium ranges, when it should just be a short range attack.
>>339131492
>another thread
>go Behind a wall
>use Junkrat's ult to kill Mcree
>>339132630
>the problem with him is the aoe on the flash
This
Remove aoe on his stun so he can't just throw it in your general direction but has to hit your actual hitbox, suddenly he needs at least a tiny bit of skill to play well
>Add 6 second cooldown to fan the hammer
>Add .5 second delay (and a small flash) before flash grenade explodes
This would give people a chance to counter the flash and also prevent his ability to double fan and kill the tanks.
>>339131492
>>339131492
his flashbang should blind and deafen the victim for a moment, not paralyze them
>>339131492
people complain about him? lol what?
he's genuinely one of the weakest heroes in the roster. only shitters have problem with him in the beginning because well, they are shitters, and he is one of those heroes that are very easy to pick up for a newb player.
nobody will play him in competitive if he doesn't get some significant buff to movement speed or health.
>>339133141
>he's genuinely one of the weakest heroes in the roster.
>nobody will play him in competitive if he doesn't get some significant buff to movement speed or health.
Is this some bizarro universe thing
You do realize he's picked in virtually every comp match right
>>339133241
he's literally never picked
>>339133273
He is figuratively never not picked
>>339133273
You couldn't be more wrong
Are you fishing by any chance
>>339133141
Fuck off with this shitty fucking bait
>120%
>>339132810
well removing the aoe would be way too severe unless you decrease CD. just reduce it.
>>339131492
I crushed any body playing muh high noon with Winston.
>use jump pack behind him
>gets 50 damage
>Tesla his ass in close range
its all strategy guys.. come on..
>>339133273
>Press E
>It has a radius wider than a pharah rocket
>Press M2
>It instantly deals up to 400 fucking damage
>Press shift
>Press M2 again
Wow, suddenly EVERYONE dies
>if you nerf his flash you take away his only close quarter utilities
No, he still has fan the hammer
>against x - y - z
Wow, it's almost like they'd turn into reliable counters to him or something, which Mcree lacks outside of widowmaker.
>>339133563
>mei, junkrat and roadhog on the bottom
I knew only scrubs play this shit game.
Best heroes in class if you have some skill, but noobs keep playing meme shit tier heroes just because they look cool.
Lucky I didn't buy this trash after beta despite all the shilling.
>Land a 6 man Graviton surge in Numbani
>Friend fires off a Rocket Barrage right after for a quintuple
>First time in ~40 hours of gameplay I've heard the quintuple kill horn go off
>Would have been sextuple if Reaper hadn't been a wuss
Holy fuck why is Zarya so fucking fun
>>339133861
>Reaper not being a total coward
Never gonna happen
>>339133838
This is the chart for professional level games you retard
>>339133838
Junkrat isn't bottom, he's just a situational hero.
On defense he's mainly used to counter reinhardt pushes, and on offense he's mainly used to counter torb and bastions (which aren't very common, which is why his offense use is much lower).
>>339133563
These numbers are partially inflated because a few "top level" strats involve 2 mcrees or 2 winstons or even a few lucios to boost heroes to the objective or to setup on defense
>>339134360
Sure, but those strats are top-level for a reason.
I mean, the shining example is Lucio on KOTH maps. Read the whole article, there's some breddy interesting insights.
http://www.planetoverwatch.org/11-overwatch-hero-meta-report-the-grand-beta-review
>>339134360
That's beside the point for Lucio and Mccree since they're still picked every game.
Double bastion inflates KOTH, but he's still pretty oftenly used as an offensive tank to counter widow and disrupt.
>>339134360
Lots of sites (I think planet overwatch as well) accounts for heroes that were used just in the beginning and switched from and they are not included in the stats
does anyone else feel like if you're on defense during payload, you have a better chance at winning?
get killed on defense, respawn in 5 seconds, walk inches to battle.
get killed on offense, respawn in 5 seconds, trek across an entire continent.
It's totally okay for one DPS hero to easily have the most DPS in the game and can spam it the most along with destroying any other class designed for close range combat despite being a mid-range warrior.
>>339131492
>>Roadhog can tank all his damage even through a flash and rope him in
No he can't
>>339133085
Suffering ear damage affects a person's ability to move
>>339133838
>Junkrat, Mei
>Skill
Pick one.
>>339133141
I came here to laugh at you.
Blizzard quote from the patch notes on the last beta patch:
>McCree’s alternate fire is intended to be more situational, but often players were using it as his primary way to deal damage. This change makes it weaker to use repeatedly, while maintaining its power as a finisher and as part of his roll combos.
Mcree will be nerfed considering every Mcree gets 90% of their kills with right click.
>>339133141
You are the biggest retard that has ever existed.
>>339132916
>I don't know what I'm talking about
>>339134856
It cracks me up seeing the Fan the Hammer Elims card at the end of matches, like thats all of his kills nigger. Thats all any of them fucking do.
I saw a fucking POTG here yesterday of a McCree main showing off, only he tried 3 Left Clicks missed them all and then immediately High Nooned.
>>339133141
t. Mcree main
Things that need to be nerfed for real
>Mercy ult
She gets her ult way too fucking fast it's almost not fair. Especially she's being the heal slut she was made to be.
>Widowmaker snipes
Only 1 second to fully charge, can fire 10 shots before having to reload. She can pop people off so often that I swear half of them are aimbotting. Since Widowmaker is always going to be aiming for the head because they're aimbotting, she one-shots everyone under 300 health. And even then she can still pop off shots as a sniper so fast that if you DID survive a hit she'll hit you again right after.
>>339134856
>situational
Like the situation of being close to someone? What the hell did they think was going to happen? Players using it as a taunt?
>>339131492
I also don't really get people that complain about mccree. He's good, but like every good hero, there's a counter. I don't really think tracer's a counter to him though since stun and fan hammer easily wrecks tracer if you're decent.
The only hero i feel like needs a nerf is Mercy's ult. That shit seems like it's always up and it makes games extremely hard to defend when it comes up every few minutes. A good mercy also knows how to position well, so you can't flank or focus her
>>339131492
You need to do 2-3 things to counter him while he can just pop his flashbang and wreck you.
>>339135118
So who the fuck counters McCree?
I see so many people say this and no one can answer. Tell me.
>>339135161
The counter to mccree is countering him at a distance. In that case, everyone with long range counters him. A good genji can also counter since he can reflect the stun/fan hammer. In fact, even junkrat can counter him because of his trap and constant grenade spams.
>>339132916
Flashbang should work by eyesight+radius instead of just radius.
>in Mccree's face
>he throws the flashbang which explodes behind you
>doesn't work
>Mccree is trailing behind you
>throws the flashbang which still explodes behind you
>doesn't work
Mie Cree counters him bredy gud senpai
The only problems I find are how hazos arrows do a good amount of damage even uncharged and meis movement speed.
I also wish we could filter matches, I hate playing defense.
>>339131492
I hate how much concept art always looks WAY better than the actual models. It's like the 3D model guys dont even try
>>339135301
>countering him at a distance
>when his revolver kills anything that's not a tank hero with over 300 HP in 2-3 shots at long range
>>339135118
doesnt matter how good the mercy is if his team mates cant look behind and see whats killing them all
classes are fine, people are just bitching because they got a shit team and lost
players skill>classes
>>339135301
>this genji meme shit again
Stop. This doesn't fucking happen and you can literally throw the flash next to genjis feet even if he's reflecting and it will stun him.
Junkrat getting someone in his trap isn't a counter it's just junkrats trap, which most good players will not hit often at all. Long range characters, I'm assuming you mean widow, by your logic counter every other character since no one else is quite so long range. When in reality you'd just avoid being in the open versus her and at a closer range would still rek her.
Also if you're flanking or ambushing as McCree it is doubtful junkrat grenade spam would find you.
he literally can't do anything to you outside of flashbang range. when it's on CD he's incredibly easy to shut down. just kite him.
>>339132502
He himself is a cyborg living in the future. Kicking sand would work but lots of maps have steel flooring. I'd also not be able to throw my flashbang over a reindeers shield
>>339135441
>hanzo bodyshots me at ~150 health with a half charged arrow
Who was in charge of this?
>>339135490
Are you so bad that you can't hit with his m1? Do you know how much fucking damage a headshot at mid range from his revolver does?
When I play him about 65-80 percent are fan kills rest are just m1.
>>339132712
>2 shots and it's gone. 1 if you're dumb enough to not detonate it when McCree is in 100% damage range
>Using it for one hero
>>339135569
Hanzo's arrows do a max of 125 base damage, but ok.
>>339135605
if you're moving so predictably outside of cover and you get headshot you deserve it
there's also this magic mechanic called SWITCHING CHARACTERS. Reinhardt, Roadhog, Genji, Mei, Hanzo, Widowmaker, so many characters can shit on him and he can't do anything about it.
>>339135325
The first one is already true.
>>339135487
>>339135449
I've done well against mccrees as pharah, but that's mainly because I play pharah a lot and can hit direct shots pretty often and know where to position. I've also dumpstered mccrees as tracer because I main tracer. The reason I don't list those because those come down to who's better at what.
That's really the thing, counters to mccree are just to get good. Everytime I hear someone bitch about mccree, I just switch to either pharah or tracer and dumpster him. But I guess if skill is neligible, then he needs to be nerfed, but that's a retarded reason
>>339135487
If a junkrat knows where a mccree is, he'll find him. If your team dies from a flank and doesn't say where, that's on your team. That applies to all flankers.
>>339135487
>Stop. This doesn't fucking happen and you can literally throw the flash next to genjis feet even if he's reflecting and it will stun him.
Shouldn't Genji's reflect turn the flashbang against Mccree? It surprisingly works with other stuff like Hanzo, Zarya and Mei's ults before they properly activate and turn them against the other team.
>>339133838
I find it hard to believe. There's a junk and a roadhog in every game I play. There's no way the comp fags would just drop them
>>339135716
You're fucking high. Reinhardt? Genji? FUCKING MEI?
No they don't you troglodyte.
What do you mean moving predictably outside of cover its a fucking hitscan revolver
I bet you're one of those fucking fags who thinks Mei is op too aren't you?
>>339135772
It does, and I've seen and played against genjis that can consistently do it, but it takes a huge amount of skill, pretty much knowing when to get in their face or bait out their flash.
But this is /v/, skill doesn't matter in OW apparently
>>339133762
How about mei retard.
>>339135772
Hop on and try to reflect a flash bang. You'll see why that doesn't work very quickly.
It's instant, and doesn't even have to hit you.
>>339135769
That's just you outs killing that player. If the McCree was similar skill he would flash and rape your tracers ass, further his revolver is actually very effective against airborne pharahs.
>>339135772
Works the exact same way as rockets. You can reflect direct hits but you're not going to reflect the splash damage from the rocket that hit next to you.
>>339135883
>pocket sand
>fan
Dead Chinese fatty.
Mei gets Blown the fuck out by Mcree
>>339135851
>shit ass mccrees who for some reason throw a flash at genji, the one person who can reflect, center fucking mass
>hurr skill doesn't matter
If the McCree wasn't a moron he'd throw it next to genjis feet or on a wall nearby or something and it wouldn't even matter if genji was reflecting.
>>339133141
>My brother fucking loves the old west mythos and any character associated with it.
>Tries Mcree.
>Stops playing him
>His reason : Wow that nigga is so EZ mode its sickening.
do you realize when someone who likes what Mcree is says this kinda shit blizzard fucked up royally
>>339136020
You're just bad at utilizing the skills available to her. Stick to 1 star characters shitter
>>339135883
Mcree has hitscan shots medium range compared to Mei's delayed shooting + travel time. Even if his flash is on cooldown, close range he has both right click and an evade to dodge Mei. He should literally never die to a Mei 1v1.
>>339136138
Yeah better go tell all the pros and tourney players to start picking Mei and gitting gud kiddo.
>>339136119
>my faggot brother says this so its true
>>339131492
>Tracer is significantly worse at blinking circles around him than shit is at blinking around anybody else, as he can fucking stun her and is a huge counter to her
>Reaper gets stunned and dies
>Roadhog fair enough
>Soldier 76 loses to him in all situations up close, even if he gets the drop he can just roll away
>Doesn't realize that literally every hero but one or two have the same movespeed
>11 out of 19 heroes in the game have 200 health or less; his health is average
>>339131492
>slow movement speed
Well thats kinda the game Isnt it? Every hero got the same slowass base movement speed
>>339136234
>freedom fight
>>339131492
roadhog is hard counter ppl r just dumb
>>339131492
>Roadhog can tank his damage.
>Pull his ass in get immediately stunned get my fat ass Hammered to less then half health
>hit E to heal myself
>He rolls and hammers me again.
>Dead
Tank it my ass
>>339134579
definately the opposite, what are you talking about? payload maps are usually so far from spawn you NEED a symettra or a good mercy on defense
>>339136332
God damn what an argument man, you sure showed me.
>>339136338
Better go tell the tourney players and pros to start picking shithog then, they haven't figured it out yet like you anon.
You should totally join a pro team. I bet they'd love to have you.
>>339136401
honestly, no hero should be able to solo a tank like this. they're tanks, they're supposed to be able to take damage and draw attention off the rest of the team. but no, one 100% widow shot is half your health.
> """professional""" overwatch
It's a casual game. He's still broken at casual levels but organized play is inherently different from your average matches.
>>339136401
>pull his ass in
>don't shoot him for the combo
Are you actually retarded?
>>339136486
Switch to the Winston
>>339135846
i'm sorry you've only been playing for 2 days but yes
Mei in particular. iceblock makes it easy to bait out flashbang. ice wall works well against everybody and it shuts down his ult. you can also use it to save team mates getting flashbanged by him.
Genji is pretty obvious, deflect and you can outrange him or just keep poking him. he's so slow you can kill him before he reaches a healthpack.
>>339136531
He's broken at all levels. Honestly probably even worse at casual levels.
>>339136440
>cringe namefag
>worships "pro" teams
>is shit at a casual game
>>339131492
I'd love to "bait" him, if you know what I mean.
>>339136596
>i'm sorry you've only been playing for 2 days but yes
Yes, the pros have been playing for days and have completely disregarded mccree for mei.
You retarded, boy
>>339135563
Pocket sand
>>339136663
>completely disregarded mccree for mei.
not only is that not how tier lists work, that's not how overwatch works either
every character is situational, you don't lock in a single character and play them for the entire round.
>>339136596
>hurr you've been playing for 2 days
Go fucking uninstall your game you dumb fuck.
Look:>>339133434
Insult my skill and spam your anecdotes all you want but you want to tell me you know better and know stuff all those pro players don't?
Mei doesn't counter McCree and McCree can fucking instagib her with flash fan. You're retarded.
Genji is the same way.
>out range
Yeah let me use genjis actual difficult to aim shurikens with travel and delay versus mccrees hitscan revolver. I will win for sure!
>>339136652
>using objective stats from people who are very good to point out you're a fucking retard is worshipping pro teams
Kill yourself you stupid meming fuck
>>339131492
he's the easiest hero tho
>>339136596
>McCree
>being outranged by Genji
Fuck this thread I'm out.
God damn thats some funny shit.
Those chink stars with travel time aren't going to do dick against the hitscan revolver.
>>339136741
Look at Meis pick rate you stupid nigger.
His flash should slow and silence. Full stuns in an FPS is dumb.
The slow would help him use fan and the silence would keep characters like tracer and reaperfrom escaping him but without the stun they could still fight back.
>>339133563
>Junkrat at the bottom
Now I know this is either BS, or the comp scene is terrible, the comp strat is pretty much a deathball for most the team, Junkrat is such a ridiculously strong counter to it and better players can easily land his nades on anyone.
>>339136946
that chart is from the beta
>>339136765
>>339136819
You're the one getting butt blasted over failing to get an easy kill. Try an easier game if casual tf2-clone is too hard for your simple brain
>>339136946
Deathball is fucking terrible, it only works in your pub games because you guys are retarded
>>339136964
Junkrat is still pretty low because he's a Demoman minus the sticky launcher in a world where there are shields and healing everywhere.
He just isn't good.
>>339132630
>that thing is just a huge autoaim damage cone around him that is effective even at medium range
That shit is not auto-aim cone.
It's a fucking spread indicator.
>>339137009
I'm getting butt blasted at failing to get an easy kill? When we're talking about fucking McCreE+right click ?
Keep posting your dumb non arguments while anyone who isn't trash at this game and can actually read laughs at you retards who shiver at the thought of your McCree cheese being nerfed.
>>339136876
>slow and silence.
I would say more slow and blind. Whiten the screen, change pace to a stumble, but doesn't leave the victim completely defenseless as they take shots in the dark
>>339131492
McGree can kill one person every 8 seconds and is absolute junk against groups.
Meanwhile you have characters like Genji who can counter every character in the game and instantly kill entire teams with his ult, Junkrat who are on the top for damage in their team every time they play because nothing can touch them and their ult can kill entire enemy teams from his own spawn, and characters like Hanzo that just spam arrows down a door way and get Team Kills. Honestly, what's the point about trying about someone who's only good at 1v1 scenarios in a team game?
>>339137116
Except he isn't only good 1v1, you could even hide behind a Reinhardt shield pushing a payload and just letting off hitscan head shots and do good damage. But you're gimping yourself when you can go find someone to e+right click instead.
>crying about genji
>crying about genjis ulti
Holy fucking kek
>>339137045
>people always fall for his beartrap because nobody ever looks at their feet
>put the mine directly on top of the trap
>can activate mine anywhere
>explode it the second "TRIGGERED" lights up on screen
>killed
I really love doing this even if it means i can't use my mines for anything else until that happens.
>>339137093
If most of the players complaining about McCree are like you then it's no wonder I always win.
>>339137116
All of your scenarios are at the pub trash level where no one knows what to do when ults happen.
>>339131492
The only one I agree with is Roadhog and Soldier.
Don't whiff your flash and Tracer is done. He outranges Reaper and forces Reaper to move in where he's an easy flash + fan.
>all these babbies playing training wheels: the character desperately clinging to a sinking ship
As with everything:
REINHARDT CAN COUNTER ANYTHING AND CAN BE COUNTERED BY ANYTHING
if you play good enough
>>339137212
I actually play McCree a fair amount if I am not tanking (which I do a lot).
This has nothing to do with me kid. Everything to do with the hero and the stats that have already been posted. He's fucking op and you have no argument as usual.
>thinks he's good for E+right clicking
I bet you're one of those fags that yells at his team and thinks he's super good right?
>>339137116
Mei can really easily kill Genji.
Junkrats tire has now very low health and can be shot, or avoided (Mei can go into ice cube, Winston can jump in the air, etc.)
Hanzo is fucking annoying but if you are carefull you can destroy him with a good Winston for example, or a lot of others, like Genji who is fast or Pharah that can sneak behind him
>>339136765
>i'm a pro player guys for real!
>Yeah let me use genjis actual difficult to aim shurikens with travel and delay versus mccrees hitscan revolver. I will win for sure!
lol
git gud.
>>339136861
>Look at Meis pick rate you stupid nigger.
that's not an argument :)
again pickrate doesn't mean shit in a game where you can switch heroes freely. every character has a situational use. just because you and your "pro" (LOL) shitter buddies can only use whatever is obviously broken doesn't mean other characters don't have uses too.
git gud.
also
>casual tf2 clone
>""""pro"""
L O L
>>339131492
Is switching characters mid game just to counter another character supposed to be an aspect of this game or what, because that's only a few characters, what if you have none on your team or your teammates don't know
>>339137009
>>339137212
this kid is so mad lol it's hilarious
>>339137330
no way dude the "pros" only play like 5 different heroes, every other hero is literally unusable
>>339137375
>lol
>git gud
>hitscan vs projectile
You're a fucking retard. No wonder the other guy left.
>hurr doesn't mean anything
ITS FUCKING 3 PERCENT you god damn mongoloid. No one is playing her at tourneys or at a pro level.
And I never claimed to be pro, I'm just using data that's available instead of stupid ill informed opinions like you are.
>>339133563
This is bullshit I get a Hanzo EVERY game
is it okay if I only really hate widowmaker
>never really contributes on either side
>only really cares about her K/D ratio
>just sits in her position sniping people who walk around a corner so she can headshot them
>that's it
>even worse it's an ally widowmaker on attack
>>339137536
that's every sniper in any FPS
You're fucking kidding me, right?
All you have to do is not be literally not touching Mcree's dick and he won't instantly kill you. If you straight up lose in a firefight at long/medium range against him it's straight up your own fault. I love you shitters are saying they should take away his ability to melt people in tight spaces, making him effectively useless.
I honestly have more trouble against roadhogs oneshotting me from practically anywhere if I'm not playing a tank.
I hope yall niggers never make a game, you wouldn't be able to balance it for shit. These are probably the same people who complain about Bastion.
>>339137509
its almost like it says "competitive" on the bottom instead of "casual" or something
>>339133563
>mei that low
She is a master of crowd control just her very presence in a area manipulates the enemy team to where she wants them to go. Sure she doesnt get killa but controlling the enemy team position is godly
>>339137536
Widow should be banned on attack.
Absolutely worthless. I'd rather seen a Torbjorn or Symmetra on attack.
>>339137536
>ally widowmaker on attack
>30 seconds left
>still doesnt move from her spot
>doesn't even try to trigger overtime
>>339137536
Only good thing about a widow on attack is her ult.
>>339137604
>I think roadhog is good and mc cree is a bad long range fighter
damn man these are some hot scrub opinions
>>339137336
>I play a tank
No this has everything to do with you. You're shit at the game and whine about it when faced with the counter character
>>339137604
>straight up
>straight up
Tell those pro players how much they suck then you stupid fucking nigger.
>hurr you have a weak projectile weapon that does less damage than a hitscan weapon why are you losing
>>339131492
More like McREEEEEEE, amirite
>>339137654
Yeah I also think teams just haven't picked up on her yet
That wall 2stronk
>>339137767
McCree isn't counter to tank McCree is a counter to everything, I usually play Winston by the way if I'm tanking which, many people wrongly think can hunt down mccrees since Winston can effectively take out genji, sometimes tracer and even sometime pharah (if you catch her in a building or something especially).
>>339132916
that delay would make him fucking garbage except in trash tier.
>>339131492
the reason McCree is so strong is because:
>he is one of the few counters to Reinhardt
Being able to throw flashbang over the shield and then 2 fan him is REALLY good. But it isn't OP on its own. The reason it's so strong i sbecause Rein is really popular on escort and nobody else can really counter him.
The problem with the balance of McCree isn't that McCree needs to be nerfed but that his counters need more counters thus giving you a choice of what to play.
Someone else needs to do well vs Rein so McCree isn't an auto pick vs him (who is also nearly an auto pick on escort).
>he is really good vs Tracer and Lucio on KotH
then this is why he is picked on KotH. Although Tracer can dodge his flashbang if played really well it isn't consistent and requires to either bait it or just plain dodge it, both of which are countered by him holding onto it for a little while.
This makes a bubble of no-go for the Tracer which no other hero really has except for a good Roadhog but it's harder to him to hook than it is for Flashbang.
So again the problem is that Tracer has no other counters except McCree.
So THAT'S the reason he is so good.
He himself is decent due to his dmg almost beating out S76 except at long range, but because he is one of the only counters to 2 REALLY REALLY REALLY popular picks on all kinds of maps.
Add more counters and suddenly McCree won't be AS popular.
>>339137563
Hanzo is considered a sniper too but at least he moves around and does more than sit on his perch.
Widowmaker actually has a surprisingly strong mid-game range if she uses her gun's assault rifle mode. It's actually a bit better than Soldier 76's
>more ammo
>no falloff damage, consistent 13 damage per shot
>S76's can do up to 17 but the damage falls off to only 5
>>339137860
Pro players have had the game for months since closed beta. They have picked her up and tossed her aside for a while now.
>>339133563
I can understand the most used heroes, but Mei, Hanzo, and Bastion at the bottom? Really?
>>339137879
mccree is a close quarters combat killer and should kill you if you're a tank and stumble into him around a corner
anyone who thinks a winston can hunt down a mccree is an idiot
>>339137943
Lots of pros say that she isnt BAD she just loses to McCree every time who is in EVERY team in comp.
>>339137860
Her left shift can also easily push a game into overtime giving your team a chance to win
>>339137779
>my only argument is
>muh pro players
Wew lad
>>339137779
Them pro players huh
>>339138002
The problem is that Mc Cree is a better close range fighter than the designated close range fighters on top of being an extremely decent long range fighter AND having a lot of team utility
>>339138045
Yeah that's the question, is her ultility from wall, freeze and ult worth having a vastly inferior mccree weapon
>>339131492
Are you retarded OP good thing you aren't in charge of balances
>>339137779
So play Tracer like the rest of the pros.
I kill Mcree's fairly often as her. Just don't get in flashbang range and it's easy enough to pepper him down, especially if you're blinking everywhere. It usually comes down to who gets the drop on the other, but if two players of equal skill meet each other at mid range I guarantee you Tracer will win.
>>339138105
>The problem is that Mc Cree is a better close range fighter than the designated close range fighters
But he is THE close quarter master, that's his thing
>>339138002
>offense character should be able to kill tanks in a stun
>this is why McCree fags actually believe
>>339138206
McCree is picked nearly three times more than tracer by the "pros".
>caring about what pro players pick
>implying you'll ever reach that level of play
it literally doesn't matter what pros do, pick the character you think is fun. you're a casual, don't worry about high level play.
>>339138219
So what about reaper then, what is he even good for if he gets outranged by a "close range fighter"
You're going to say that reaper should outmaneuver him, which is a stupid thing to say because Mc Cree has a team that controls the rest of the map.
Saying a character needs to kill someone before he's noticed to win the fight isn't a particularly good arguement for their viability lol
>>339135772
>pick genji because /v/ keeps telling me about reflect meme
>mcree literally throw the flashbang while i have my E on
>i get stunned
>right click and dead.
you guys can stop with this meme now
>>339138286
I'm pretty sure that's bullshit, I see a hell of a lot of teams running double Tracer.
Either way I'd still say Tracer is a better offensive pick in the hands of a "pro" with incredible aim given her mobility and recall.
>>339138379
Reaper has the benefit of being able to flank
McCree doesn't really have anything but absurd kill potential at close range
>>339138379
>So what about reaper then, what is he even good for if he gets outranged by a "close range fighter"
dropping in on a group of 3 or more standing around the payload and using his ult to get the play of the game.
That's about it.
>>339138379
>Saying a character needs to kill someone before he's noticed to win
That's the entire point of Reaper's character.
>>339138358
I already do that, the point is when these fucking retards get on here and defend op shit like McCree because "hurr well I got in some matches and beat some mccrees so I don't think he's op".
The best way is having something to base your argument and balance on other than some shitters anecdotes.
I don't even like competitive gaming, at all. I usually despise it. Doesn't mean I ignore the findings from it.
>>339138410
McCree threw it at your feet because he's not an idiot
>>339138449
>Reaper
>going unnoticed
>>339138423
McCree is still better. Tracer is good but no one is at McCree level.
>that's bullshit
Take it up with them then. It's very commonly sourced and respected info and so is the site itself.
>>339138410
There's a trick to it, anon. You have to literally kiss his face so that he's straight up unable to throw it at your feet. Additionally, just sneak up on him and hit him. Crees are guaranteed to panic E whenever they get sneezed on.
>"Literally nobody wants a TF3!"
>Blizzard makes TF3
>Sells like hotcakes
Fuck you
>>339138438
And midrange effectiveness. McCree is not like reaper and wielding shotguns.
McCree is a far better pick than reaper.
>>339138438
Reaper's ability to flank is lower than any other designated flanker because his mobility skill is terrible, and so is his survivability skill. He also brings no team utility
Mc Cree is good at close range, is good at medium range, is decent at long range, and brings a lot to his team by team able to stun priority targets in scramble situations. He's also somehow "THE" close range character ?
Mc Cree's wide array of usability completely outshines Reaper as a duelist, and Reaper is already outshined as a mobile character by other mobile characters.
just make the flashbang animation a little longer and have it not work if you turn your back to it. that way you have a chance to see it coming and can react instead of it being pretty much instant like it is now.
>>339138568
He sure is
>>339138565
>nobody wants a TF3
How the fuck did you make this up?
>>339138449
>going unnoticed with a low range, slow as fuck teleport in a game where you glow red, your name and healthbar sticks out, and two heroes have wallhacks
Lol
>>339138626
>implying I made that up
I've had that discussion with many people from different places, including /v/. Most people said there was nothing left for Valve to do differently enough to warrant a sequel.
>>339135487
It does happen you are just bad.
>>339131492
>Reaper can bait him, flank him, make him mincemeat
Reaper has to get point blank to attack McCree. McCree stuns and 1 shots him because the startup time on phase isn't fast enough as fan the hammer.
>Reflect instantly as mcree flashes, fllashing him instead.
>My reflect keeps going and it ends right after the MCree gets out of stun
>Fans me to death
I'm a bit salty about that.
>>339138841
Genji and Tracer don't really mind people knowing where they are because they relocate so easily, and the ennemy team chasing them plays into their hand because that's exactly what they want them to do.
Reaper is so fucking easy to trap and gun down its laughable
>>339138728
Yeah okay faggot next time I play im going to pick McCree and I pray you're on the other team and try to reflect it because I'm going to throw it right at the fucking ground next to your stupid cunt feet and you'll realize that you're a fucking dumb piece of shit.
>>339139002
This is entirely dependent on him actually flashing AT you instead of just aoeing the ground, it's too risky.
>All these Reapers coming out of the woodwork to cry about muh unfair matchup
PHASE THROUGH THE FLASH YOU SHITTERS
>>339139146
>He fans you anyway
>You die
N i c e going.
Flash just means he can get a FREE WIN, even without he's still strong as fuck.
>>339139190
>dying to RNG right click
rofl shit reaper players everybody
>Blizzard bans all models, videos, websites etc. that are related to Overwatch SFM porn.
Even they succumbed to the "SJW pandering" meme.
>>339139130
Well, wait 15 seconds then ?
>have about 90 ping on every other game i play online
>on overwatch my ping is like 500 |
what the fuck is this?
>>339139248
>just sit with a thumb up your butt for 15 seconds
Mate..
>>339139146
>phase through the flash
>implying he isn't going to get the jump on you with the flashbang first and fan your face off
that's like telling Mei to iceblock through it
>>339139248
Sure, just give me a good way to know when Widowmaker has enabled her team-wide ulti and when it ends.
>>339139190
>>339139231
>Can't strafe McCree's pitiful fan move when they're not stunned
Thanks for confirming you are in fact shitters. You just can't make this up. Not a single character in this game is broken, though a few could use some buffs to tweak them, like Zenyatta.
>>339139286
If some people in the ennemy team are trying to shut you down by following you / turn to you, that's probably exactly what they're doing too.
Besides, you don't have to do nothing, you can still harass other fronts while waiting out the wm ult
>>339139273
same problem for me, looked up online and everyone is having that problem
>>339139347
Mcree has every advantage in that situation, if both of us are perfect players then he wins every time.
>>339139334
>Personne n'échappe à mon regard
Then count down to 15 ?
>>339139347
>Mc Cree can't hit people with fan without stun
And you're calling people shitters ?
>>339139408
Pretty easy to miss a single voice line and keep track of it, High noon/dragon shouts are at least at the moment shit.
The radius of his flashbang is what makes him OP, it sets him up for guaranteed kills and is near impossible to miss with.
I feel like he is a shit choice on console, but on PC for former CS players he is really good.
>>339139480
How is this any different than any other ultimate ? You should prioritize this sound as much as 'Fire in the hole' or 'Activating self destruct sequence'. The game gives you the cue, it's on you to pay attention and act on it.
>>339139464
I never said that. McCree can definitely waste people with his fan move without stun.
I walk right up to static SHITTERS who don't know how to maneuver and do it all the time.
>>339139146
You should be able to end the phase whenever you want like Mei's icecube.
>>339137536
>One shot body shot
WHY
>2 people instantly lock mccree and refuse to switch heroes
everyone that plays this hero is entirely selfish, YOU ARE FUCKING USELESS IF YOU PLAY THIS HERO
>>339137375
Pick rate means a lot, especially when compared to other heroes. He's at 100+ with a high WR%.
basically you're retarded
WHY CANT I CANCEL PHARAH ULT
>>339139581
>implying you need to be static to be hit by half the shots of fan + melee
and then he rolls to reload and shoots you once
there's no need for fan to kill, the point is that mc cree's entire kit makes him able to burst you down instantly regardless of wether you're being static or not
the fact that you have the illusion of being good by playing him probably plays into your perception desu
>>339139718
Pro set ups are two mccrees two winstons and a lucio with a mercy
I just got back from overwatch tournament.
Overwatch in general is worse tf2
the organization sucked
Blizzard also sucked.
>hurr durr we cant even acknowledge this tournament
The whole thing was a wreck.
Why do people even like this game?
>Game is based around counter picking supposedly
>High level play usually have 2 or at least 1 McCree.
Just play around him, duh. Just because he's the best DPS hero on every map doesn't mean he's the... Oh wait.
>>339137536
>playing a lot of matches with the same few pugs
>one dude only plays DVa and sucks shit at her
>one plays everyone and is great
>DVa main tries to talk shit every match to our superhero because he always gets potg
>he never responds
>he goes offense Widowmaker on Numbani
>DVa starts bitching and moaning
>we rush the whole map in one push
>Widowmaker potg, headshots five dudes in a row coming from every direction, several almost right on top of him
>DVa whining that must be his only kills
>cards come up, 23 elims, 92% kill participation
>DVa shitter has left the game
>>339139891
Doesn't D.va matrix stop flashbang?
And you can reflect it as genji
Oh and if you aren't literally on top of him it's useless?
You can play around Mei. You can't play around a not braindead McRee unless you're Widow sniping him.
>>339140016
>Needing the flashbang
LOL
>Genji countering anything
LOL
Just gotta wait. And his dash doesn't do enough DPS. One fan the hammer and he's gone.
>>339140016
Dva will get destroyed with or without flashbang if she gets near Mc Cree
>>339140080
>>339140076
You guys are just saying "No mcree wins" without posting any counter arguments?
I think its more the fact that McCree has no direct counter. The only reason 2 McCree's on every comp came about was because before that there used to be like for offense heroes (combination of Genji/Tracer) and 2 support heroes. McCree then just says fuck that shit eat pocket sand to any squishy.
But now that there is no hard counter to McCree he becomes the default pick even though he might not be the greatest in every situation.
>>339140016
You trow the flashbang at the floor and it cant be deflected. Bot only that genji is a sittibg duck if he deflects the bang ad the mccree player just has to wait until genjis e wears off to kill him instantly with right clicking
>>339133563
>>339133434
>All of these people sleeping on the based boar
they should lower the fire rate of fan and make the flashbang into a real grenade that doesn't explode instantly in the face of everyone but can be used at range and maybe is a bit more powerful
>>339140143
I dont understand have you even played overwatch?
Theres like a million ways to kill a mcree
>>339140121
What was your argument? Dva and genji win? For matrix and deflect, all you have to do is wait it out. The flashbang isn't even needed two gun down any of those classes. McCree can do over 400 damage with one fan the hammer and can nearly instantly do it again. Not only that, but since the flashbang is AoE he can just toss it directly on the ground or to the side. But again, the flashbang isn't important. McCree is the best close range and medium range hero in the game.
>>339140080
Who the fuck designed this thing and said "yep let's expose the pilot right in the front of the mech great idea"
that's like sitting in a gundam except you're in a glass case sitting outside the chest.
And even so this doesn't make sense to be a crit zone on the mech when said crit zone should be sensitive areas to destroy on the mech itself like exhaust ports
>>339140121
>I don't play D.va to know why Jesse rapes her in and out of the goddamn mech
Go back to /a/, your waifu's shit.
>>339140121
Dva has a large head hit box. Right click close her armor is gone then flash her out of the mech roll right click she is dead
>>339140121
I'm not sure what you don't understand in the fact that a single fan the hammer does 210-420 damage and he can instantly do a second if his roll is off cooldown ? Dva loses by default. She has no counterplay to that.
>>339140248
It wasn't made for fighting human combatants or combatants at human height. It was made to fight Mecha-Gojira
>>339140124
four*
>>339140318
Exposing the pilot is still not a good idea regardless
>>339140227
I am talking abot you saying genji just has to reflect the stun when genji cant do shit if he does
>>339140258
>>339140257
>>339140251
Never realised how full of shitters /v/ truly was
Pick him off with range, he's slow as fuck
Play pharah and gib him
Play roadhog and hook instagib
>>339140435
>oh no i got called out on wht these characters dont work ill just call everyone shit and bring in two heroes we werent talking about
>>339140435
Luckily, I have realized how dumb the average poster on /v/ is, so I'm not surprised by your garbage post.
Of course you can kill McCree, durrrrr. But the fact of the matter is that he's the highest performing DPS hero in the game. He beats them all out. He rules in medium and close range combat, which the other DPS heroes are supposed to competitive in. This is not balanced. He has insane DPS that dwarfs the other DPS characters. Just stop posting please.
>>339140405
its a good idea when you're favoring mobility over bulk which is what Dva's mech is for.
Bulk comes at a tradeoff and that tradeoff is increased energy consumption and requirements for boosts and flight. There's a balance to be hit and it's not hard to imagine this is the best balance the enginering team could find. Your point is completely moot.
>>339140435
>Moving the goal
Wow anon, you're right. Let's not talk about why he trumps Genjo and D.va when you meant characters that could pick him off at range.
>>339140586
>change the design to use armor instead of glass at the front using videofeed so the pilot can see
>maybe cover up the arms too so they literally aren't sitting in the open air to be shot at
>this apparently makes it so much bulkier
>>339140583
Just because you do a shit ton of damage doesn't make you good anon it's a team based objective game. Learn to counter.
I feel sorry for anyone having legitimate problems with Mcree
>>339140706
>Just because you outperform the other DPS heroes when their job is also DPS doesn't mean it's OP. Just counter them.
Please end your life. The world would be a lot better without you.
>>339140680
Yes, it does
You'd know this if you knew anything about the decision making that goes into military equipment
>>339140775
There is no DPS role you asstard this isn't a mmo
>>339140809
adding about 20-50 pounds to the Meka unit wouldn't make it any less mobile.
Why not have his flashbang be an ACTUAL FUCKING FLASHBANG AND JUST BLIND YOU AND REMOVE SOUND
>>339141043
That would mean coding an extra mechanic into the game rather than just reusing stun.
>>339140913
Yeah it would considering they're fighting the machine-made Kaiju off the coast of worst Korea.
>tracer can
>reaper can
>roadhog can
>soldier can
be stunned and right clicked to death, if one load isnt enough he rolls and fills you with another one in the same second.
>>339136276
You realize saying s76 loses to him up close is like saying Reaper is OP since most characters lose to him up close, right?
S76 shits on McCree as long as you stay out of flash range, as do most characters. That's the point. Reaper annihilates most characters up close and can close on them without taking damage, and can teleport behind the team. And his ult is more useful.
McCree can't do any of that and has a meh ult. The only thing he has is huge damage at close range and flashbang CC. His whole deal is picking people off and flanking. If he can't do that effectively he's mediocre. He may need some nerfing, but I personally think he's fine. I think the real issue is that most people play like idiots and try to lone wolf. McCree is made to kill people 1v1.
>>339131492
>Tracer can blink circles around him
It's one of tracers worst matchups, flashbang is a guaranteed kill and one of the only moves that can stop Tracer in her tracks
>Reaper can bait him, flank him, make him mincemeat
Flashbang is a guaranteed kill, McCree's fan out DPS's reaper's shotguns at close range
>Roadhog can tank all his damage even through a flash and rope him in
Flash-Fan-Roll-Fan kills Roadhog and builds like 50% ult meter
>Soldier 76 can dispatch him effortlessly if he gets the drop on him
See: Reaper
>He has a slow as fuck movement speed, on par with the game's tanks
This is his only weak quality
>With only 200 health to match
This is plenty
>If you nerf his flash or his fan, you take away his only close-quarter utilities in a world of wall-hopping cyborgs, amped up cryomancers and shotgun-toting ghosts
The point of the character should be to be a mid-range harasser, Reaper and Genji already fufill the close range roles.
McCree is top tier lad, you can't deny it.
>>339136486
>complaining about widows damage
Snipers in every TF game I've played kill tanks with one headshot and those shots are way easier to land. Widow honestly seems meh for a sniper except for her ulti, which is about right.
>>339131492
the shit thing is blizz will nerf his flash and fan without giving him something else in return like mabey longer roll range or something makeing him completely useless
>>339138615
>Reaper's mobility is terrible
You weren't in the game I was where a Reaper was constantly behind us with shadowstep, or would be above us and drop on our heads with his ulti.
Shadowstep is great because it gets you from point A to point B without being seen in transit. If you're smart that's all you need to kill half the team. It's a shame most Reapers are edgy teens who ghost up to groups and wonder why they die
>>339142371
>Longer roll range would be a buff
Maybe if you use it like a defensive pussy, but that would make it harder to use offensively since it works well when hammering the fan.
>nerf mccree even more
>tracers in every game as his replacement
PLEASE NO
>>339131492
is it just me or this matchmaking trash as hell?
>be on win streak with random somehow
>suddenly you are put with horrible and lose ridiculously lopsided
if thats the case I may as well just get group together and never play alone.
>>339142585
Looks like you need a timeout.
>install game
>every match is a fucking stomp
it's either 0% of 100%
>>339135638
depends how important that hero is to the team i guess. If he is racking up the kills then yes
I love McCree
I love playing McCree
There is nothing anybody can say or do to make me feel bad for playing as McCree, ever. I will play him even if they nerf him to the point of being unplayable because of you crybabies.
McCree for offense, Mei for defense, all day every day.
>>339142624
>He doesn't know about forced 50
arcade meta seems to be two winston, 2 lucio, 2 whatever atm.
I can't seem to beat double lucio with double winston shield no matter what i pick.
