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Legacy servers are confirmed.
Mark Kern just concluded his meeting with Blizzard on the topic of legacy servers. They had the source code all along. They're currently waiting to meet with the Nostalrius team in the coming weeks to gain insight on how they managed to get their server running.
So now that that's all out of the way and we know for certain that we'll be playing on official legacy servers in the coming months, what race/class/spec will you be maining? Favorite zone/city? Favorite dungeon/raid?
https://twitter.com/Grummz
let it go
post link with new relevant info or fuck off. Nobody cares about his shitty twitter bullshit
You realize this level of delusion is pathetic right
>>338990873
>>338990875
>>338990880
>assmad retailcucks pissed about their facebook games and $25 mounts no longer being relevant
>no expansion until August
>blizz shuts down Nost and hints at vanilla servers
>proceeds to tease fans for months
>legion launches and everyone forgets
>>338991009
Not 'assmad' or whatever memes you children want to spout I was just asking for relevant info. Clearly you have nothing So Ill leave the thread as its obviously just your personal shitposting thread
Be better OP
>>338991191
The twitter contains all new relevant information you retard.
Sounds like it went pretty well honestly. I fucking knew they had the source code still the little snakes.
>>338991315
>twitter has no actual info
>this is all the info I have
Sounds like youre the one assmad and BTFO then because there is no conformation htere at all...
Sucks to be a poor nigger then I guess
Enjoy your shit thread
>>338988989
Level to about 20, frost mage, hang out in barrenschat forever
>>338991191
>you children
m'lady
>>338991482
>Blizzard is listening intently
>They're up to date on the community's thoughts and the entire situation
>They have the original source code despite their lies
>They're meeting with the Nostalrius team soon to discuss the technical aspects of setting up legacy servers
That's a lot of relevant information, and it's all on the twitter feed. It doesn't surprise me that a retailcuck is illiterate though.
The fact that these are tweets and what he discloses in the tweets is controlled by a Non-disclosure agreement. We are only hearing what blizz wants us to hear, there is no confirmation anywhere in those tweets.
>>338990873
funny you post FLCL since they recently announced a reboot of that as well
>>338991482
Your lack of punctuation tells me that you are probably retarded.
>That obvious leash leading
>people don't remember that blizzard did this fucking shit with official support for DOTA for years before Valve picked it up making Blizzard shit themselves
Valve won't save you this time fuckers.Also Blizzard just began nerfing leveling progression in WoW and shilling their $60 level boost harder, they don't give a shit about what the community wants.
>>338988989
Problem was never about them having or losing source code. It's fucking blizzard, they can't just roll out old 2004 game with shitty netcode and buggy stuff.
And merging new stuff with old stuff is actually might be too expensive to just please some nostalgic fucks.
>>338991918
>there is no confirmation anywhere in those tweets
Yeah no shit, nobody was expecting them to announce Legacy servers via Mark Kern's twitter. It still sounds very promising though, I'm excited to see what comes out of their meeting with the Nostalrius guys.
>>338991715
thats just bullshit theyre saying to not seem like the true blizzard they are
>>338992014
Holy shit really?
>>338992296
>Problem was never about them having or losing source code.
You serious nigger? That exact reason was cited by Blizzard themselves for years. It was also parroted by retard blizzdrones relentlessly for years and years up until today.
>>338992312
All they did was have Mark Kern, repeat the same thing blizz had already told us themselves. "Its not as easy as it sounds". We just heard it from his mouth is the only thing that changed. This is just some gay attempt to pacify the masses before a multimillion dollar game release that could be affected by bad publicity.
>>338992296
>some nostalgic fucks.
I find it funny that Nostalrius had more active players than some modern retail MMOs. What a strange perspective
>>338992296
>Problem was never about them having or losing source code
Actually that was probably the biggest problem with them doing Legacy servers. If they genuinely had lost the source code it really would be a LOT of work having to recode basically everything.
No need to worry about that any more though :)
>>338988989
>Please blizz Ill be a good goy
We all you you want blizz to fuck your ass with vanilla servers for the low cost of a $130 one off payment and $15 a month for the rest of your miserable existence. You dont need to keep reminding us daily
Dont forget to buy legion :^)
>>338992486
It's way easier to feed you with bullshit excuses than do risky moves. :^)
>>338991715
>They have the original source code despite their lies
They've never said they've lost it, it was a rumor. They were and keep saying that it's technically hard to make a server. Kern is literally parroting what they've been saying since April
>>338992442
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2016/03/25/hit-anime-flcl-getting-sequel-series-15-years-after-its-last-episode-in-u-s-japan-co-production/
>>338992014
I assumed that was intentional as a shitpost?!?
source code is only half the problem when you work on windows environment. I have old code from 10 year ago that won't work anymore because of all the obsolete DLL and layers of windows update that made it impossible to compile without fucking archeology to find the old files.
>what race/class/spec will you be maining?
none because never again
>>338992626
>They've never said they've lost it, it was a rumor
I can't find an official quote on it. It's fucking crazy because "they lost the code" was a reason cited by countless retards every time the idea has been brought up for fucking years. Were they all just talking shit out of their asshole this entire time?
>>338992626
pretty sure a blue literally said it
>>338992907
they maintain a 14 year old game and still support XP, i think they can handle it
why are nostalgia fags such obnoxious cucks
it's really funny how the goto term used to call out everyone who disagrees changed from "blizzdrone" to "retailfag"
I guess blizzard cock tastes like candy!
>>338993996
Overwatch made /v/ love blizz again.
Vanillafags are truly as cancerous as the modern WoW community, they just don't realize it.
>>338988989
Considering how disappointing Legion sounds with each update, it's nice to see something going right for a change. Still, no hype until official Blizzard announcement that it's a confirmed thing that's actually happening.
Serious question, not trying to start shit:
Why is everyone so up in arms about playing a shitty vanilla 12-year old MMO even more? It's twelve fucking years old.
Nost dev said their server cost them 700 dollars a month and it hosted up to 16k people at the same time.
How much does blizzard even spend in hardware hosting wow server? 5k a month? That's close to nothing.
>>338993996
The only obnoxious one here is you stupid faggots that come into threads about subjects you hate, bump the thread and talk out of your fucking ass.
>>338994346
Inorite?? I mean, nobody plays games made before 2010! xDYou're a fucking retard, shut the fuck up.
>>338994346
It's fine if you don't like a game but why would the age of the game matter?
Are pre ps3 games all trash according to you?
People are still playing vanilla everquest from 1999
>>338991009
You do realize you will have to pay a sub fee right
>>338994346
Nostalgia is hella of a drug man.
>>338994346
The state of the MMORPG genre has people pretty desperate for a decent one (which Vanilla WoW was). The people who have been wanting a Vanilla realm for years have been ignored and poked and shit upon by both Blizzard and shitposters/retailcucks for years now. Getting some vindication on the matter feels good.
>>338994346
Because it was free
>>338994461
>>338994478
The only old games worth playing were, you know, GOOD GAMES. This is fucking vanilla WoW.
>>338994507
I suppose that's the best answer possible, thanks.
>>338994597
Vanilla was never good, don't you remember everyone calling it a shitty, casual EQ clone?
>>338994507
Nostalgia isn't real though, vanilla is a time consuming game and no one would have 80 days /played like most people on nost, a one year old server because of nostalgia
Why do you think there's no private server for mop or cata?
Because it's shit and nostalgia doesn't keep people on servers
>>338994507
>Le nostalgia meme
How many times do you have to hear testimonies of people who played and enjoyed Nost a couple of months ago before you get it into your peabrain that the gameplay is simply better in older iterations of WoW than it is nowadays.
>>338994635
>I don't like Vanilla WoW so nobody can!
Dude, shut up.
>>338994486
Oh no I'll have to pay $15 whole dollars per month to play a video game! I might even have to spend $50 on Legion. What will I ever do?
>>338993847
Yes, they were talking out their ass.
The thing that's hard to explain is that there isn't some server software that equates to every version of a WoW that was ever live. Everyone running their own is basically emulating a lot of functions with other shit being broken.
But yes, people saying a software company lost the source code were fucking idiots. At worst it was inaccessable for a time be because it was archived.
>>338994850
>giving money to blizzard
>>338994952
I don't think the guy who's so fucking hipster he's campaigning to pay Blizz for a 12-year-old mediocre game gets to tip any fedoras.
>>338995007
Go complain about that in the 20 Overwatch threads up right now, my man. Pretty sure that outweighs the guys on this board that want Legacy.
>>338994346
Because video games are fun, and the funnest version is the one you remember. Although if you want to go deeper, it's like the human campaign of Warcraft 3 stopped running one day unless you ran a pirated version that only mostly worked
>>338994723
>Why do you think there's no private server for mop or cata?
there are, since you don't know about warmane obviously you have no idea what you're talking about, retard
>>338995063
>Game with 9m subs
>Hipster
I don't think you know what that word means.
>>338994723
>>338994848
Nostalgia is definitely real bro.
I accept that vanilla WoW is better than current shitty retail WoW. Doesn't mean I want to go back to game where I literally have to have no life. The game changed for the better throughout the expacs for a good reason. Only disgusting NEETS/underages have the time for vanilla WoW.
Some people can ignore that and find a good game. I can't since I want to do things outside of vidya lol. Plus I rather grind execution/techskill in melee/fighting games than play an MMO. Atleast I get to met real people in fighting game tournies.
>>338995192
Of course there are but 95% of the private server pop is on vanilla, tbc or wotlk you mongoloid cocksucker, mop and cata are irrelevant
Warmane pop atm : Wotlk 10k, mop+cata 1,8k
And those are some of the only post wotlk servers avaible
>>338995569
Sorry that Vanilla WoW was too hardcore for you buddy. Have fun playing WoD or Legion or whatever other casual shit you're interested in.
>>338995569
>Only disgusting NEETS/underages have the time for vanilla WoW.
That's weird because a lot of my Nost guild had a wife and kids.
Just because you personally can't fit WoW into your oh so busy schedule doesn't mean nobody else can.
fuck 'video games', especially vanilla WoW
>>338995747
Nost didn't even get to AQ40 anon come on.
You act like MC is uber fucking hard.
Can't wait for this to fail and close
>Oh boy I got to play Nostalrius for free, surely Blizzard will do the same
You're going to be oh so wrong
>>338995995
>Doesn't mean I want to go back to game where I literally HAVE to have no life!
>I m-m-mean no life sometimes, only when certain content is released m-maybe!
Get your shit together faggot.
>>338995995
Every semi-serious guild was still raiding at least 3 times a week for 3-4 hours.
>>338996162
>I c-c-can't wait for this to fail!
>every knows p-p-people only play for free!
>n-nobody is going to p-pay for Vanilla servers!
>>338995569
>i don't want to play video games but make me a video game
you sound fucking retarded. making games that cater to casual players leads to shitty games. it's all just bells and whistles no fucking meat on the bones. I had a little bit of fun when I came back to WoD looking at all the toys and stuff and messing around with Darkmoon Faire but then I tried to do the raidsyou know, the ACTUAL FUCKING CONTENT OF THE GAMEit was bland as fucking shit.
>>338996162
Exactly who the fuck have you been listening to that expects it to be free? Show me these people.
>>338991715
>Blizzard is listening intently
>They're up to date on the community's thoughts and the entire situation
If that were true then wouldn't Live not be shit?
>>338996202
Any shit guild was able to clear MC in sub 2 hours and the third day was only for ZG which most guilds didn't even need after a few months
10 hours a week isn't much anyway considering wow is entertainment.
If you don't enjoy raiding there is no point doing it.
>>338996534
>Argues you need no life to raid in Vanilla
>Is now arguing that raiding doesn't take long
?
>>338996162
The collage of blizzcuck posts like this one when vanilla servers are announced is going to be fucking great
I wish moot's chinese cousin would raise the file size cap temporarily so we could put like a 100kx100k px golden face behind it all
>>338996630
but it doesn't take long
>>338996523
They actually just this week hotfixed some stuff to make the game harder at lower levels and LFD spam leveling less viable.
>>338996630
you're projecting so fucking hard dude i went up 3 replies and he said nothing about having no life
in-fact he said the opposite where there's wives and kids playing the game
>>338996721
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM
>Mark Kern
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1tuf3c/this_is_why_mark_kern_was_removed_as_ceo_by_red_5
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR BROS
I'VE PAID FOR EVERY SINGLE MOUNT AND PET FROM THE CASH STORE SINCE 2011. I'VE BEEN A LOYAL CUSTOMER SINCE CATACLYSM AND THIS IS HOW THEY TREAT US!?VANILLA WAS FUCKING SHIT! NOBODY WILL ACTUALLY PAY TO PLAY THIS 12 YEAR OLD GAME. IT WAS FULL OF BUGS AND RET PALADINS WERE TERRIBLE. YOU HAD TO GEAR FOR HIT AND EXPERTISE AND THERE WASN'T EVEN A QUEUE FOR RAID FEATURE. I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS HOW THEY'RE REPAYING US FOR OUR YEARS OF SUBSCRIPTION FEES. MY FEMALE DRAENEI WAIFU THAT I WORKED SO HARD ON TO MAKE BEAUTIFUL WITH $24.99 COSMETICS AND TRANSMOGS IS ALL FOR NOTHING! FUCK BLIZZARD AND FUCK NOSTALGIA FAGGOT KEKS!
>>338996417
I didn't say I wanted to play a game for casuals. I just didn't want to go through the grind that is Vanilla WoW.
>>338996856
Get some reading comprehension faggot, >>338996630
>>338995747
^They're both me.
>>338996759
tryhard guilds would be doing 1-2 BWLs, at least 1 MC and Ony, and some optional ZGs
>>338996902
>Faggot
https://twitter.com/grummz/status/733302509192675328
>>338996945
>I didn't say I want you to feed me through a tube. I just said I want you to put a hollow cylindrical object directly into my stomach and push liquid and semi-liquid food into it.
that's literally you
you're fucking retarded
>>338996902
>Seriously still trying to smear Mark Kern
He's already had the meeting, his reputation doesn't mean anything now. Not that it did before either.
>>338997127
His "original vision" changed weekly which is what killed the game and company when he was CEO
>>338996905
its ok Now they will charge you $130 and $15 a month to play vanilla
Dont forget to buy legion
>>338997265
>$130
>He's so fucking retarded he doesn't realise all expansions are bundled now and have been for years
>>338997245
>His "original vision" changed weekly
According to that random retard that authored that reddit post? The same retard who was confirmed to be a SJW attempting to smear and slander Kern for being supportive of GG? yeah nah.
>>338996945
I can understand that but it's all about how you want to play the game.
Playing on nost it took me two months of slow questing to get to 60, I could have grinded 12 hours a day for a week but the problem is that you're focusing on endgame.
Leveling itself is gameplay and should be enjoyable.
The hardship of farming mats for raids is greatly exagerated, you can easily get all you need for pre AQ in an hour every week.
>>338997265
YEAH YOU TELL THAT FAGGOT NOSTKEK! HE HAS TO PAY MONEY TO BLIZZARD! HAHA! WHAT A FUCKING LOSER!
Blizzard are huge jews but at least they're smart jews. Some group is stepping on their intellectual property rights, they stop them, but then they meet them to figure out what they were doing and hopefully profit from that? Sounds like the right way to handle business.
>>338988989
As someone who spent a lot of time on vanilla, why the fuck would you want to go back? Do you really want vanilla WoW or do you want your life as it existed when you were playing vanilla WoW.
>>338997353
>IM WILLING TO PAY THAT YOU FUCKING KEK
>NILLA WAS GREAT ID PAY $500 JUST FOR THE PRIVILEDGE OF SUCKING BLIZZ COCK ONE MORE TIME
>>338997046
But it is a mmo, what you listed in a decent guild lasted 6 hours a week.
If you can't put 8 hours a week in a mmo, maybe you shouldn't play a mmo.
>>338996905
Wait, what happened to hit and expertise? What do people gear for nowadays? Do you just have a DPS stat, like this piece of gear has +25,000 DPS making it better than the previous tier 17 piece with only 21,500 DPS?
>>338997553
>Shitting on people who want to pay to play a good Blizzard game
>Ignores the 30 Overwatch shill threads in the catalogue
Go and fucking convince those people, not us, faggot.
>>338997673
>OTHER PEOPLE PAY MONEY TO BLIZZARD SO ILL GLADLY LINE UP FOR MY SHOT IN THE MOUTH
I honestly didn't expect much from this or the upcoming meeting with the nostfags. I'm pleasantly surprised and I'm guessing there would be a lot of other faggots feeling similar.
It's certainly not "for sure" but it's looking more and more likely every day now. If I had to bet, I'd bet on an announcement at blizzcon and legacy server access tied to legion purchase and current sub, but maybe that's too obvious and I'm an idiot.
I'd be fine with whatever just for the chance to play vanilla or tbc in a stable environment, no chance of shutdown, (probably) less cheating, etc. I'll miss my russian friends from nost, tho. Those dudes were all pretty fucking chill if you ignore not being able to communicate very well.
>be leveling orc shaman, save some random fellow horde warrior from being kited to death by asshole human mage
>he says "U R FRIEND, I THX YOU FRIEND"
>time passes, be now almost 60 in EPL
>getting my butt fucked by asshole nelf hunter, about to die
>suddenly russian warriorbro appears, he's 60 with gear and has other fags with him, they kill gay nelf. his friends keep running, looking for other allies to kill, warrior stands with me for a sec
>he says "FRIEND, I REMEMBER", bows, takes off
If something even 10% that cool ever happened in retail WoD I would play it.
>>338988989
I fail to see how this means legacy is actually happening.
>>338988989
>this amount of desperation and delusion
>>338997624
gear is literally just ilvl now there's no mix and matching pieces. grabbing some stuff here or there. it's just you get this set and MAYBE you can have a different trinket.
>>338997624
Stamina is standard on every single piece of gear. There are three primary stats (Strength, Agility, Intellect) that change based on which stat your spec uses. For example if I play a Ret Paladin and get a piece of Strength Plate gear and then I swap my spec to Holy, the Strength on all of my gear will magically turn into Intellect.
Aside from Stamina and Primary stats (decided entirely for you), you have 6 secondary stats. Crit, Mutistrike, Haste, Mastery, and Versatility, and Spirit. These stats are variable and will be what you're discerning between when picking pieces of gear to use.
Some gear has a chance to drop with a gem socket on it. You can get gems for any secondary stat you wish. That's as far as gear diversity goes in modern World of Warcraft.
>>338997831
Yeah, I know man, I am actually really pathetic for wanting to give Blizzard money. I really do probably hate NeoBlizz as much as you do and haven't given them a dime in 5 or 6 years but old WoW will always hold a soft spot in my heart and I'd gladly give them my shekels to play official Legacy servers.
I know I'm a dumb fucking goyim but hey.
>>338988989
i dunno man. this sounds a lot like a sting op. they're basically extracting every detail they need to prove what he did and prove his intent so they can prosecute him
>>338997548
I played Nost and it was goodand fun.
I played retail and it was badbut still kind of fun I guess
Vanilla is better.
>>338998062
There really aren't any trinkets with interesting effects in the current game.
They are actually making a positive change in this regard in Legion by adding those legendaries that have unique effects. The problem being that items with those effects would previously have been just epic.
>>338998203
And what did he do?
>>338998238
there's not gonna be unique effects your'e just going to have your class/spec legendary and then the tree that isn't even a tree cause you can fully fill up each skill in it
>>338997379
That reddit post was a year before gamergate m8
>>338998207
My argument isn't that retail is good but that retail has become shit and nost is chasing a memory.
I'm not going to tell you not to have fun though, have at er I guess.
>>338998116
>There are three primary stats (Strength, Agility, Intellect) that change based on which stat your spec uses.
why not just combine them into Power at this point
>>338998369
there is that, but he's meaning random legendary drops. I'm actually not sure if they're still called legendaries - maybe relics? I forget.
But there are random weird items that can drop and they have various cool effects.
I haven't been keeping up on most of the beta stuff so I could be off on what exactly they do, but I'm pretty sure that's what he meant, not the class weapon thing.
>>338998369
I mean the actual legendaries, not the artifacts.
>>338998116
>Mfw WC3 items/stats were more indepth than this
I just want to see the forum faggots that posted "the wall" all these years get BTFO.
>>338998483
They basically are combined into one uniform stat, just with different names for the illusion of gear diversity.
>>338998475
>nost is chasing a memory.
But Nost was fun. I actually played it.
I started WoW during TBC so I don't even have nostalgia for vanilla.though I'll admit it's close enough to hit my nostalgia for TBC
>>338994920
What about Squaresoft and FFIX's allegedly lost code? Is that bullshit too?
>>338994348
>700 dollars for 16k people
>equals 5k dollars for 5 million people
solid math skills at the work
>>338999102
>5 million
Anon...
>>338998340
i mean the devs at the meeting
>>338999102
you dont pay per person you fucking idiot
The cost is directly related to the size of the server not how many people are playing at any given time. Jesus fucking christ
>>338999261
Nost dev's meeting is next week.
>>338999094
IX was just released on Steam last month.
They added the in-game cheats that previous FF ports had.
I heard they lost the original background artwork, though, and that's why they couldn't make it HD.
>>338999354
doesn't change what i said
I think if Blizz really wants to do this they are probably thinking, "why just stop at combining our source with Nostalrius' codebase and modernization of it and throwing up the game exactly as it was back in 2006?" I think they probably want to spruce it up and give it modern polish while keeping the experience intact. You know, allowing it to work with the newer graphics engine and models, adding in some minor quality of life improvements that won't change the feel of the original patches and gameplay too much, maybe fix exploits and bullshit they didn't know about or hadn't fixed back then
Basically I think they are mulling over the idea of not just straight vanilla but 'enhanced' vanilla.
>>338998624
So mages are going to get a party together and time warp each other?
>>338996905
I'm pretty sure expertise didn't exist in vanilla, though.
>>338988989
what's a retailcuck? never heard this before.
>>338998203
Why the fuck would they want to prosecute anyone over legacy servers?
In fact I'm pretty sure they can't, since Nostalrius complied with the C&D.
>>338999094
Not the guy you're replying to but I think console devs just have a different culture, especially in the old days when they didn't patch their games. Blizzard has pretty much patched their games since the beginning, so they had more use for version control (since if they rolled out a bad patch it's easier to just reset to an earlier version and push that out than try to manually undo the change).
Here is a post from someone at Insomniac saying they don't really have access to PS2 or earlier game's source code and assets: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/272694/Ratchet__Clank_2016_postmortem.php and there's really no reason for him to lie here. Seems like console devs just did their own thing back then, kinda disconnected from how people programmed for the PC.
If you look at other programming projects you can find ones with like 25 years of version control history I think for some of the BSDs.
>>338999509
Well they can mull over the game failing if they want to fuck about with it.
Only a small minority wants them to fuck around and change the game, people just want straight Vanilla. Mark has said this to them in the meeting today, if they're going to fuck about with it and add new graphics and cash shops and shit they can go without my $15.
>>338999536
You're right, weapon skills that served an identical function to expertise existed.
>>338999529
No, "Your time warp". Simply means mages with that ring get 2 bloodlust
>>338999509
I like the idea of improving vanilla but a lot of vanilla players are legitimately autistic and would quit for any change larger than bugfixes.
Absolutely nobody trusts them to develop new content, either, which is a shame because I'd rather see new content added to vanilla than an endless progression cycle up through TBC or Wrath.
>>338999559
Someone who plays the latest build of World of Warcraft, which is called "retail" because it's the one you pay for.
Get a fucking life. imagine still playing wow
>>338999529
It still has a 5 minute cooldown so at best you're getting one time warp from the other guys every 10 minutes + one of your own time warps every 5 minutes. Still pretty cool.
>>338992442
No. It's a second season, not a reboot.
>>338988989
I miss the old Barrens
Isn't Mark Kern a known GamerGater? Why would anyone take him seriously?
>>338997265
Hasn't Blizzard given all accounts all the current expansions for free at this point? So It'd only be the sub cost + Legion (If they make it a requirement)
>>338988989
You will never get to relive your childhood.
>>338999909
Here's your (You)
>>338998997
>make a bunch of cool shit in vanilla
>nerf anything players are using "wrong" into uselessness
>remove it next expansion because "no one uses it!"
blizzard really killed their own game
>>338988989
Regardless how this turns out the response on /v/ will be glorious
>>338999975
It's $15 for the base game + all expansions including WoD. If you don't pay any you can only play the "starter edition" up to level 20.
You can also get all the expansions for free if you see JUSTcraft in cinemas now. Buy your ticket today.
>>338999975
They've always done that iirc, when the newest expac comes out, the past ones become part of the base package as it's 'legacy' content at that point.
Like when Cata came out, WOTLK became included in the purchase price of the base game along with BC
>>339000163
>They've always done that
Wrath required you to buy TBC before you could add it to your account.
>legacy servers finally come out
>you're 10 years older now
>it's not fun anymore
>>338995203
It was a while after cata that you could buy retail and get everything up to Wrath for free.
>>339000154
>>339000163
>It's $15 for the base game + all expansions including WoD
That's not how it works anymore, the outdated expansions are added for free onto the accounts and all pre-existing accounts got WoD for free as well a couple of months back
>>339000332
>Nostalrius was fun even though it was Vanilla 11 years later
>>338997548
Most Nost players where never around Vanilla BC or even Wrath, so it was all new to them.
>>339000410
>all pre-existing accounts got WoD for free as well a couple of months back
Not quite. They had to be inactive for a year and the owner of the account had to click a link in an email.
I know this because I recovered my account a couple of weeks ago and I didn't have WoD and was told I didn't qualify for it since I missed the promo.
>>338994850
>RETAILKEKS BTFO LOLOLOL
>you know you'll have to buy retail to play legacy servers right
>LOL SO WHAT I DONT CARE IF I HAVE TO BUY RETAIL. RETAILKEKS STILL BTFO!
>>339000492
[Citation needed]
>>339000671
Don't argue with the mentally retarded. You will never win.
>>339000671
>assmad retailcuck pissed that his cash shop investments in mounts and pets will all be for nothing
>>339000532
It was a limited time offer?
>They had to be inactive for a year and the owner of the account had to click a link in an email.
Fair enough, Although I don't remember getting any email. I just logged onto battlenet and got it automatically without even noticing
I don't get why Wow players haven't all killed themselves yet
>>339000532
No, they in included WoD in the base game a few weeks ago. Everyone who has ever bought WoW has WoD now.
Instead of vanilla servers I'd rather they just took a look at why vanilla was so loved and make a new game like that.
Maybe we'd see some good MMOs being made again when everyone tries to copy THAT game.
Are they that embarrassed about WoD?
>>338988989
They still have not outlined what they consider to be required for a legacy server. The only thing they have mentioned was a few things for pristine which was not at all legacy.
That being said I am still hyped.
Vanilla - Orc or troll hunter, winterspring rep/thorium/demon circuits. Hanging out in UC waiting for the naxx raid or soloing dungeons like BRD/UBRS with kiting/pet leash tactics.
BC - BE Prot Paladin, Full daily grind. Skip raids after gear. Hit heroics constantly. Hanging out in silvermoon and shattrath.
Wotlk - Orc Frost DK, Full daily grind, hanging out in dalaran waiting on pvp queues. Ulduar best raid.
>>339001637
>Doesn't use the expansion box anymore
Looks like it
>>339001637
Yes. It split the community and left a sour taste in tons of people's mouths.
>>338988989
Sounds like they're being gently laid to rest before a bullet goes through their head.
>>339000908
Ah, maybe you had to log in. I didn't get it so I don't know the details.
>>339000931
Huh, that's strange. I just checked my account and it says I've got it, but when I first recovered my account about 2 weeks ago I was still on MoP.
I was able to activate a 10-day trial for WoD which afaik only let you level up to 91.I didn't even get that far because I only played for a couple of days and none of my characters were very high level
>paying Blizz after they murdered your characters
wew
>>339001889
I've been told it had about half the content of previous expacs despite costing $10 more.
I know it has 2 raid tiers when all other expacs had 3 or 4, and that it's the only expac that didn't add a new race or class.
>>339001889
like every fucking expac
>expect the second coming of christ
>get another WoW expansion instead
>whine about it
like fucking clockwork
>>339002225
Bait
>>338992175
>>That obvious leash leading
Ok, can we talk about this? How is this only obvious to you and me? How the fuck is everyone else oblivious to it?
>>339002460
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>339002594
They are jerking eachother off because they both think that blizzard acted this exact same way before with DOTA and the only thing that got them off their asses was valve making something similar but valve isn't going to make an mmo right now so blizzard has no real monetary incentive to make legacy servers.
>>339002225
No NOBODY LIKE WOD.
Every Xpac actually appealed to the fanbase in a positive way.
Yes even Mists had some high notes people fondly remembered.
WoD had literally none of that.
Blizzard just wants to forget it ever existed and move on.
>>338992175
>Also Blizzard just began nerfing leveling progression in WoW
Which is one of the biggest complaints the vanilla crowd has about the current game: That everything below a certain level gets one shot and that LFD spam is the only viable way to level. The hotfix addresses both these complaints.
>>339002793
>so blizzard has no real monetary incentive to make legacy servers.
Other than all the money they're going to make?
I refuse to believe Heroes of the Storm can even be said to compete with Dota 2. It's barely an ASSFAGGOTS.
>>339002225
WoD is far below the average. It added no new class or race, had less raid content than any other expansion, added fuck all to do outside raids, and the new mechanics it introduced (primarily garrisons) were purely detrimental to the game.
>>338988989
>I can confirm: They have NOT LOST THE SOURCE CODE
So basically Blizzard just revealed they were straight up lying to the fanbase about losing it.
And people cheer this?
>>339002941
The game is still fundamentally shit now. No amount of fiddling with numbers will ever change that.
>>339003048
I've never seen an actual source for Blizzard directly saying "We don't have the source code" outside of regurgitated hearsay on this board.
>>339002941
>Which is one of the biggest complaints the vanilla crowd has about the current game
Except this solves nothing. Old WoW had actual class abilities, old WoW didn't have linear questing corridors through zones.
Having leveling slowed down in modern WoW is fucking awful, you have 2 abilities from 1-40 and now you're just taking even longer waiting on 10 second cooldowns every fight.
>>339002941
Paid level boosts still exist.
Heirlooms still exist.
They haven't addressed shit.
>>339003156
It's still a positive change.
>>339003287
No, it's not. Spending longer in the games current worst state improves nothing.
>>339003287
You thinking that just shows how ignorant both you and Blizzard are about why people actually enjoy Vanilla.
>>339003287
>The questing fucking sucks now
>Classes leveling suck now with 1-2 abilities at most
>Now you'll be spending far longer dealing with this shit
>This is a positive change hurrr
They're doing it to promote selling boosts, you fucking retard.
>>339003205
then you never looked very far. The source, or at least an imgur link to the post, has been reposted dozens of times here and other places.
>hurrr i've never seen it when i browse 4chan while i take a shit so it doesn't exist
>>339002225
Except
>Burning Crusade was great
>Wrath of the Lich King was amazing
>Cataclysm was okay
>Mists of Pandaria was great
>Warlords of Draenor was awful
hrmmmmmmm
guess you're wrong
>>338992640
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>339002990
>Other than all the money they're going to make?
Source? If they even got half of the players on free realms they wouldn't be making enough extra money to necessarily make it worth their while. Not to mention there is no good time to release legacy servers because it will either interfere with people trying to progress through current content or it will detract from expansion sales. There is not a clear cut money making option here and because no one is actually threatening WoW's MMO market share there is much less incentive for Blizzard to act.
>I refuse to believe Heroes of the Storm can even be said to compete with Dota 2
You can refuse to believe whatever you want but it is usually ranked just behind Dota 2 on twitch for active viewers and it is the most popular MOBA for E-sports. But all that is beside the point, the point is the DOTA fanbase had been begging blizzard for actual support for years and blizzard only did it when valve went after the market share. The success of HOTS isn't in question.
>>339003047
Don't forget
>dumbed down every classes' mechanics to 4-5 attacks at most, and made all of them have the exact same play style
>>339003048
No one at blizzard ever said they lost the source code. That was forum rumors.
>>339003286
>Paid level boosts still exist.
>Heirlooms still exist.
Both of these are optional. You don't have to do them.
People complained about how leveling is so fast you just outlevel zones and don't get to do all the quests and you just queue for dungeons and they fixed it.
They're not going to remove heirlooms just because some people don't like them considering you don't have to use them. Everything they changed was not optional.
>>339003429
>>339003328
>Literally address one of the problems in exactly the way Nostfags propose
>DOESNT MATTER, NOW I CANT LEVEL FASTER THIS SUCKS
Just more proof you Nostfags are fucking idiots.
>>339003610
>Not to mention there is no good time to release legacy servers because it will either interfere with people trying to progress through current content or it will detract from expansion sales.
Easy, release it during the next content drought.
>it is usually ranked just behind Dota 2 on twitch for active viewers and it is the most popular MOBA for E-sports.
What the fuck
>The success of HOTS
is irrelevant, since what I'm saying is that they are completely different games that appeal to different markets.
>Heroes of the storm
>Heart of the swarm
Damn it blizzard
>>339003467
We have no plans of making pre-TBC realms. This goes against the very nature of an MMO and would be a logistical nightmare. There's no switch to flip on the realms to roll back years of patches and changes, and we don't intend to invent one so that a very small minority of players can play what we feel would be an inferior cousin of the World of Warcraft of today.
-Zarhym
While we realise there is a desire for servers running previous versions of the game, we do not have any plans to setup classic servers. The old code is designed to run on the old hardware. The old code brings with it the old data, which includes the old bugs. The natural expectation from players would be that we would fix these bugs to ensure a smooth gameplay experience (along with the need for Customer Support and other dedicated support teams for such realms).
-Tom Chilton
why seems to confirm they have the code but muh resources
>>339003853
>heirlooms don't affect other players!
>leveling content being bad doesn't matter because all nostfags want is to grind!
>paid level boosts had nothing to do with leveling becoming grindier!
(You)
>>338988989
I've never played WoW before but I might try legacy servers.
>>339000890
what makes you think that Blizzard won't just implement cash shop investments into legacy servers?
>>339003853
This is how it's always going to be. Even if they add in Legacy servers, they're going to say "blizzard missed the point" and make more excuses to shit on whatever they do. The leveling changes were specifically done for them in the same specifics they asked, b-but "modern questing" sucks, even though over half the world zones use the same quests as before Cata, and "b-b-but their's still heirlooms and paid boosts!!" - which their mention of having servers without those was also met with derision.
Whatever they do they're going to complain. Watch, when they do get Legacy servers they're gonna bitch that they have to sub for it and can't use WoW Tokens.
>>339004026
>leveling becoming grindier
>implying leveling now is anywhere near as grindy as it used to be, even without using heirlooms
Confirmed for never actually playing vanilla.
>>339004192
I played retail two weeks ago and as a level 20 shadow priest my top DPS option was to press the Shadow Word: Pain button once per second.
That was it. That was everything I had to do.
>>339003875
>Easy, release it during the next content drought.
People say they don't want to wait. The next content drought is a year away and there is active working code that can be implemented in a few weeks if they wanted to. Too much bad blood would be generated for blizzard waiting for the only good time to release.
>What the fuck
HOTS is closer to DOTA 2's popularity on twitch than DOTA 2 is to LOL. For tournaments with cash prizes (E-sports) HOTS is more popular and has bigger prizes than LoL or DOTA 2.
>they are completely different games that appeal to different markets.
They are both assfaggots remember? They appeal to the same demographic, people that like MOBAs. Blizzard didn't listen to what their fans wanted and ignored MOBAs until valve stepped in. Your insistence that DOTA 2 is somehow objectively better than HOTS is irrelevant. The industry and the vast majority of the fans feel they are the same genre. Your insistence that DOTA 2 is a better MOBA is also irrelevant because LoL called and said it has nearly 10 times the viewers consistently.
The other anons point was that blizzard never made a move until some one else did and no one is in a position to make them do that this time around. It is a valid point but likely will not be the deciding factor. Your favorite MOBA doesn't change this fact.
>>338999094
Until after 2010 or so, it was very common for Japanese developers to completely trash any code and resources for a game that was older than 5 years.
>>339004393
Leveling as a priest was suffering in vanilla. Have fun spamming wands forever.
>>339004175
You're fucking retarded, stop posting until basic comprehension becomes a skill for you.
>>339004531
THATS WHAT WAND SPECIALIZATION IS FOR MOTHER FUCKER! WOOOOO!
>>339004531
I actually enjoyed playing my shadow priest on Nost. Got up to level 31 before the alliance gankers made me give up.
Had decent DPS for solo leveling and could do healing (which I enjoyed) in dungeons.
Shadow priests aren't even ALLOWED to heal in retail.
>>339004658
Wand specialization didn't make it fun though.
>>339004731
That is subjective.
>>339004470
>For tournaments with cash prizes (E-sports) HOTS is more popular and has bigger prizes than LoL or DOTA 2.
Bullshit
>>339004795
Sure, but if you actually find sitting there auto-attacking with wands fun then I don't know what to tell you.
>>338989032
>They're currently waiting to meet with the Nostalrius team in the coming weeks to gain insight on how they managed to get their server running.
Fuck that.
Is this like Valve offering a job to the guy who leaked HL2?
>>339004895
priests could mix-up and downrank mind blast, smite, holy fire, swp, pws, and wand, on top of healing anything, they were one of the best leveling classes, and even holy could solo fine
>>339002793
>>They are jerking eachother off because they both think that blizzard acted this exact same way before with DOTA
I have no idea how Blizzard acted, but this is literal textbook behavior on how to placate the masses in any context, from corporate to political.
>>339004470
>Too much bad blood would be generated for blizzard waiting for the only good time to release.
I don't think anybody is expecting to get legacy servers in the next 3 months. Best case is before the end of the year. I fully expect it to be AT LEAST six months after Legion.
>HOTS is closer to DOTA 2's popularity on twitch than DOTA 2 is to LOL. For tournaments with cash prizes (E-sports) HOTS is more popular and has bigger prizes than LoL or DOTA 2.
God what the fuck
>They appeal to the same demographic, people that like MOBAs.
HOTS has team-wide XP bars and no items. It's pandering to a much more casual market.
>Your insistence that DOTA 2 is somehow objectively better than HOTS
You're putting words in my mouth, since I haven't said that. Hell, I'm not even a Dota player.
>Your insistence that DOTA 2 is a better MOBA
Another thing I haven't said.
Are you just making up things to get mad about?
>Your favorite MOBA
Is SMITE, which has nothing to do with this conversation.
HOTS takes a completely different approach to the ASSFAGGOTS genre and ends up being completely unlike any of the other major players.
>>339004826
Prove your claim. Heroes of the dorm even shuts down twitch with how many people watch it. DOTA 2 barely spikes.
DOTA 2 technically has a bigger prize pool but that is because they tie in a % of microtransactions, where as all the other big names simply put up their own money as the prize.
>>339004026
Vanilla leveling was grindier.
>heirlooms don't affect other players!
They do not affect your leveling experience in anyway.
>>339004963
No it would be like giving a job to a guy who made a really popular Halflife mod...which they did...several times.
>>339004612
>screams and calls me a retard without addressing anything said
>even dares to bring up "basic comprehension" in the same sentence
Take a look at your post, your childish response, and realize, this is why you're the screeching minority that gets made fun of.
>>339005175
>Prove your claim. Heroes of the dorm even shuts down twitch with how many people watch it.
Or because Blizzard got asshurt over people saying nigger in the chat.
>>339005175
>HoTs even shuts down twitch with how many people watch it.
BULL FUCKING SHIT.
>>339004393
Yes, and two days ago they added hotpatches to address leveling concerns.
As far as class abilities you're going to have to wait till pre-patch when they're giving more abilities to lower levels.
>>338988989
Nobody gives a fuck about Warcraft, so vanilla servers are their only option for relevancy. The movie is going to bomb, Legion is going to bomb, Blizzard is not only out of options, they are running out of time.
>>339005265
There's a difference between making a mod and violating copyright.
>>339005175
>>339004470
>For tournaments with cash prizes (E-sports) HOTS is more popular and has bigger prizes than LoL or DOTA 2.
idk about prize pools since they're irrelevant in major esports, but HotS is way, way less popular than the other assfaggots.
>>339005345
He's talking out his ass.
>>339005189
It wasn't grindier than pressing the same button exactly once a second with no variation or even thought, because it's an instant-cast spell so you can run around like a retard while you do it.
>They do not affect your leveling experience in anyway.
Because I never need to group with other players, right?
Had a level 15 monk tank a level 21 elite. Could've soloed it, too.
FUCK YOU VANILLA NORMIES WHO DONT UNDERSTAND HOW GREAT BC IS RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>339002170
To be fair, tacking on races and classes is pretty lame if there's no reason for it. See Draenei, Worgen, and Goblins. Blood Elves and DKs and even pandas made sense. The rest were shitty retcons or a fun starting zone.
It would be nice if they added some more fucking skins, though, like brown orcs or earthen. Plenty of subraces in the game that would be fun to run around as.
>>339006220
I don't think anyone asked for playable worgen, not even the werewolf roleplayers, but goblins were pretty in-demand when I played during TBC and Wrath, and they make a lot more sense as a playable Horde race than the blood elves did, since they actually used to be part of the Horde.
>>339006220
for classes that's true since blizzard can't stop making agi leather notdruids, but they could at least make one new race with a small starting area
>>339005695
It's not like EVERYONE is clamoring for Vanilla and nothing but. A lot of people want progression servers, which would actually be fucking really easy to implement on Blizzard's end if people were willing to accept cataclysm's 1-60 experience.
Cataclysm 1-60 is super meme garbage though. Hopefully we get the vanilla world back, along with a few progression servers that get staggered once a year.
>>339005695
I am fairly sure most people who love vanilla do like BC. it was the only great expansion, and it didnt change much from vanilla, more just extended it. Aside from flying, BC was "more of the same" which was okay because thats what we wanted. They didnt gut talents, they didnt completely redesign every class, they didnt shit on too many core mechanics, and they didnt dumb down the raids.
>>339006667
What changed in Cata? When I tried retail I made a belf and the belf zones seem unchanged.
I know the Barrens got split up etc. but what is actually different about the 1-60 experience?
>>339006892
BElf starting zone, as well as Draenei and Outland, were unchanged because they weren't base vanilla content. EK and Kalimdor were fucked on hard by the Cataclysm. For an extreme example, 1k Needles is literally underwater now.
>>339006417
Goblins and Worgen would have been fine if they had a racial story, but they don't. You get out of their starting area and it's "fuck you, no resolution". It's not do bad for goblins, because being mercenary fucks is right up their alley, but Gilneas got a battleground and a token quest here and there, and that's it.
Maybe I'm just a plot whore, but I really wish they'd plan arcs out instead of pulling the constant "met a blood elf asshole in Outland, Prince Kael'thas and I are now mortal enemies."
>>338991918
>snake
>with feet
What the fuck is this shit
>>339007169
As far as I remember, the story for Gilneas is followed up by Undead questing in Silverpine, though that's not the Worgen themselves.
>>338988989
is this a good time to start WoW?
>>339007151
Yeah, I know about that, and I know the Barrens is two zones now, and I know Orgrimmar (and presumably Stormwind) got redesigned, but I don't think I ever played any Cata quests. I went to Silithus on my mid-50s character and that didn't seem like it had been redesigned, but I guess my memory of it pre-Cata is pretty vague.
>>339007169
I read the Worgen backstory and couldn't believe how terrible it was.
Draenei were a good choice for TBC imo since the game was set on Draenor, and I don't think the retcon was too big, though I can't quite remember what it was; Blizzard also said it was accidental.
But the Worgen retcon was pants-on-head retarded, doesn't make a damn lick of sense, and was obviously intentional.
>>339007448
>(and presumably Stormwind)
"""""""""Redesigned"""""""""""
>>339007408
I'd argue to wait around a month or so more, but it's not a -bad- time to start. 2 months should give you ample time to level a class you like to max and prepare for Legion.
>>338995115
>brand new game shilled and marketed on /v/ as a tf2 clone is more popular than something that has had 100k max ever
you are a genius
>>339007646
I meant with vanilla servers
I don't want to have to spend $100 on expansions and feel forced to play through all of it
i still dont understand why people dont want vanilla servers
just dont play on them if you dont like vanilla
>>339006892
The human starting zones used to be about the Defias, Stormwind mismanaging the kingdom due to Onyxia politicking the place up, and the player working to unravel what's going on. Now it's a shitty CSI/A-team meme fest. For levels 10-20-ish if you try and quest it.
Some areas it's not so bad. A few changes here and there. Others were gutted to slap you in the face with "Catacysm! And Deathwing!", which would be sort of OK if cataclysm leveling went 1-85. It doesn't though. It's 1-60, doing the time warp again from 60-80, and the "oh yeah, Deathwing" from 80-85. Makes for a real incoherent leveling process, if that's your thing. Wouldn't be an issue if they could the world current at all times, but you create an orc and Tony Jay voice tells you Garrosh is Warchief, the lich king is defeated, etc.
>>338990880
INCREASINGLY NERVOUS BLIZZKEK
>>339007728
You actually only need to spend 15 dollars, if the anons saying WoD was bundled into the starter are right.
>>339007728
Retail WoW sucks but you only have to spend $50 on one expansion (Legion); the base game + all other expansions are in one $20 bundle, and if you buy Legion you get to skip literally all previous expansion content.
You could also spend that $20 and level up to 100, then buy Legion when you get there, if you don't intend on using the booster.
If you want to try legacy your options are either play on Kronos, which is laggy as fuck due to Chinese DDOS; play on Rebirth, which is stillborn and has no anticheat whatsoever (if you hack, the GMs ask you politely to stop); or wait for official Legacy servers, which still aren't a sure thing and will be a while.
>>338991494
>not going max level so you can help out newbs in barrens
>>339008046
>>339008069
gotcha. ok. well, if vanilla servers go up I'll buy into it and try to play through that content, then get legion and play with current people
>>339007371
It's not much of a follow up. Worgen lose, Gilneas is a battleground, and that's that. Contrast that to Blood Elves making a stir with Throne of Thunder or the dwarves' plot occasionally advancing through Moira or Titan lore.
>>339007448
Draenei wouldn't have been so bad if there was a plot about returning to Outland with your new allies to free the people who stayed behind. Instead BE and Draenei both got their plot dropped for the shitty scryer/aldor mechanic that was quickly dropped because the concept sucked. At least they got some love in WoD. Sorta.
>Blizzard losing source code of the most successful game ever
This is why I don't believe everything I read on the internet. They even patched Diablo 1 like 5 years ago for God's sake.
>>339009115
didn't they patch sc and diablo 2 earlier this year
To make old WoW work with current battlenet is the problem. Fuck that, spend the money on new content.
>>339007408
It's never a good time to get hooked on MMOs cancer. Better off playing some f2p trash.
>>339009401
Blizzard clearly has enough money to do both
>>339009401
>He gives a shit about new """"content"""" for neo-WoW
>the technical issues are more complicated
The issues being putting up a server for a game they already made that is far less complex and smaller in size than the current version of the same game? What exactly could the technical issues be?
>>339009738
They make a lot of money but people forget they just launched a new game, have to have staff for that game and servers, as well as diablo 3, starcraft, and wow and they're losing subs like crazy on their main moneymaker.
They're still making bank but I guarentee their expensives are on a tighter budget than people would think
>>339009802
Probably hardware compatibility issues. The old server code was likely optimized for 10-year-old machines. It might not even run on any of the servers they have now.
I'll bet they also want to integrate Battle.net.
>>338988989
>Legacy servers are confirmed.
are you somehow acting like these tweets aren't a massive walking back of everything Mark Kern (king of half-cocked disastrous business decisions) has been spouting off about this so far?
>>339009802
I honestly think Blizzard at this point can't actually develop content for WoW effectively. I mean, the game engine has legacy code from the mid-late 90's and all the old school developers left. They probably don't know how to use the dev tools.
Case in point, they had to delay Flying in WoD because flying over certain pieces of geometry would cause the game to crash. It took them six months to fix that one issue, and in the end they simply had to change those pieces of geometry because they couldn't fix the crash itself.
>>339009969
What are you talking about?
>>339010038
Before RIGHT NOW his stance was "Blizzard can do it, it's easy, fans want it, they have to do it" and now it's literally "it's complicated"
>>339009916
Im not a programmer so I feel a little arrogant saying this kind of stuff, but is that even that hard? I mean, this is a huge game company we are talking about here. They can't quickly iron out that server code, but a tiny team of people can? Its not like there is only one Vanilla server, there have been a few, and they all worked it out.
Would it really be that hard to integrate Bnet?
Seems less like complex "technical issues" and more like "little stuff we would have to do."
>>339010038
Just ignore the retard.
>>339010038
if you mean the business decisions part, look up the timeline of Firefall alpha/beta up to the point that the company fired his ass for wasting all their fucking money on dumb bullshit
>>339009802
Any person maintaining any server would tell you the exact same thing.
Software isn't lost, but that doesn't mean the procedure to set it up is still there. With so many servers they must have a tight procedure, but who knows, I've seen such shit in multinationals. Then there's the fact both hardware and third party software changed: do you run it in an inefficient, unstable, outdated and vulnerable environment, or do you try to make it run on something more recent which is sure to bring tons of vulnerabilities? Can the old servers even work with the new clients?
That's a lot to figure out.
>>339001784
>says right there they only own starter edition
>LMAO THEY DONT EVEN USE WOD BOX ART
were you dropped on your head?
>>338988989
>Mike and WoW are committed to a very high level of quality and polish.
WoD's existence cancels that statement out completely. What the fuck.
great, all of 100 people that will actually play it might enjoy it, have fun, plebs
unlike you hipster shill faggots, i actually played it during "legacy" and it wasnt anything special, theres no nostalgia over WOW its babbys first mmo, you want nostalgia you go to EQ with the sound effects ingrained into your brain
>>339010289
>product level: wod
Were you?
>>339010147
Private servers don't have Blizzard's code. They use custom-made emulator software.
>Seems less like complex "technical issues" and more like "little stuff we would have to do."
Absolutely, but it's shit that costs money. The problem is more complicated than just running the old code on one of the servers they have running around, and that means they have to be sure it's going to be profitable to not only make, but also maintain.
>>339010120
Before RIGHT NOW he hadn't actually talked to Blizzard in person about it.
He's also said that he thinks the odds are higher than ever now.
>>339010000
I don't think they anticipated how big of whining babies everyone would be about no flying in draenor, and consequently hadn't properly planned for implementing it.
i'm still bitter as that was a big selling point for me as I wanted wpvp back. Not that it would have mattered as garrisons combined with CRZ ruined it, or more accurately further ruined it (was pretty dead before WoD anyhow).
>>339010289
>Product level
Were you?
>>339010259
I still doubt it's a significant issue or that their software is incredibly hardware specific, plus you got machines 10x more powerful and virtualization to throw at the problem now.
>>338991009
Get a load of this retard
>>339010349
>Before RIGHT NOW he hadn't actually talked to Blizzard in person about it.
Which made his previous stance extra stupid.
Mark Kern is an idiot.
>>338988989
I don't know who this is but I smell a faggot
>>339010345
>>339010418
>>339010289
Youre all fucking idiots. WOD is the battlechest standard edition now. You were all dropped on your heads
>>339010524
>assmad retailcuck pissed about getting utterly BTFO
>>339010640
When I got my account back just before WoD became standard, I had the MoP box art.
I never bought MoP, I got it automatically when it went into the battlechest.
>>339010318
It's just buzzwords. Morhime is great at spouting them.
>>339010484
>plus you got machines 10x more powerful and virtualization to throw at the problem now.
So now you've pushed the problem from "tweak 10yo code to support new hardware" to "emulate 10yo hardware for giant workloads without performance issues"
>>339010484
Trust me, you don't want the servers running on virtual machines.
>>339010640
The box art on that page used to change depending on the latest expansion you had and they did this for WoD.
>>339007704
>anyone who likes what I don't like is a shill
Its either the tinfoil or the fedora
>>339010484
My job is to maintain the code base, and partially the systems, of many hugh demand services quite comparable to a MMO like WoW, and that's exactly how it goes.
The general hardware is never at fault, albeit sone specialized hardware like dedicated cryptography cards can be, but then the software on top of it can differ hugely, because there's some bug in those platform specific libraries, because the configuration is different, because drivers don't work the same... And virtualization brings a lot new problems, and I doubt Blizzard ever virtualized any of it.
It's not as simple as it seems, and any design error makes it all hugely worse.
>>339010640
I never got the battle chest and mine changed from the WoD to that. Fuck off
>>339010730
>>339010895
go check your account anon. I bet you that its says you own WOD and youll have the battlechest image
>>339010318
As much as WoD sucks the content it has is insanely polished.
The leveling experience from 90-100 is very well done.
The zones are extremely fleshed out and have solid art direction.
The raids are pretty well made.
Garrisons were a good idea on paper and they were executed correctly. Too bad gating players in an instance zone for EVERYTHING sucks ass.
The thing is outside of raiding WoD was shit.
WoD honestly could have been a good expac if Blizz actually took the time to fix garrisons and fix the PvP problems. In the end they didn't give a shit and instead choose to focus on legion.
Vanilla >= Burning Crusade > Wrath of the Lich King >= Mists of Pandaria > Power Gap > Cataclysm > Warlords of Draenor.
>>339010970
They changed how it works when they gave everybody WoD for free a while back.
So I've never played WoW before, but can someone tell me how Nost worked?
Wouldn't you still be giving money to Blizzard, but in the end you're just playing on a modded server? Was their an exploit to it that allowed you to play the vanilla servers and not pay? If so, then why do people want Nost gone so badly?
>>339010349
>Private servers don't have Blizzard's code. They use custom-made emulator software.
Nah Im aware of that, but that just kind of drives the point home. These small team of people can re-code all this from the ground up with pretty solid stability, then we get lines like "oh the technical issues are worse than you think"
>>Seems less like complex "technical issues" and more like "little stuff we would have to do."
>Absolutely, but it's shit that costs money. The problem is more complicated than just running the old code on one of the servers they have running around, and that means they have to be sure it's going to be profitable to not only make, but also maintain.
I guess, and Blizzard has crossed the profit>product threshold so we cant expect them to take a risk on anything anymore. Weird how game companies always devolve into a shell of what they were. Like, a game company will get be small and make amazing games, then as they get more popular the talent gets weeded out and eventually they produce bullshit.
We will get to witness this entire arc with CDPR, mark my words.
>>339010968
WOD IS THE BATTLE CHEST NOW
what is reading comprehension anon?
If they package legacy servers with Legion and you people buy Legion you are basic bitches.
>>338988989
>official legacy servers in the coming months
Zero chance. I'd say if they are confirmed, they'll be at least a year away. Most likely they'll release them in the gap between the last Legion content patch and the expansion following it.
>>339011090
please dont judge me for what I do with my money while you use 14 year old white girl slang
>>339010970
That is exactly what we're saying.
It didn't have the battlechest image when I only had MoP, even though I didn't buy MoP (or the battlechest for that matter) and only had it because it was given out for free just before WoD.
Now we've been upgraded to WoD, and instead of the WoD image we have the battlechest image.
>Blizzard focusing on things that wouldn't make them money
doubt it
>>339011054
No, it was a private server as in people not involved with Blizzard hosted the servers so Blizzard got no money.
>If so, then why do people want Nost gone so badly?
If you haven't noticed over the years /v/ has this issue with brand and product loyalty. There's also the crowd that are sick of these threads
>>339011152
Please don't judge me while being an enormous cuckold.
>>339010934
>It's not as simple as it seems, and any design error makes it all hugely worse.
And every design error fixed or worked around since BC release will be baaaaaaack.
And they can't just re-implement fixes, if they depended on things that weren't in 1.12.2 (or whatever version).
>>338988989
This won't mean anything good. The very fact that blizzard hasn't made a legacy server already means that they're planning to monetize it in the most heinous way possible.
>>339011272
like cmon bruh, don't trigger me, fambo, wow is pretty lit rn, ya kno??
>>339011179
because WOD is not the latest expansion. If you have the latest expac (legion) then you get a legion image
Did you own cata when mop was live? You had a battlechest image.
>all these people saying fuck blizzard and aiming they aren't blizzards bitches
>Falling over themselves to play a 10+ year old game made by blizzard because nostalgia
Correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't having 'official' legacy servers defeat the whole "fuck blizzard" point? You're still paying them for garbage, its just their old discarded garbage they repackaged for you
It worked for Runescape, why wouldn't it work for WoW?
>>339011371
It won't happen until a year after the last content patch, or a year after wow shuts down for maximum nostalgia baiting
Anyone in beta have any opinions on how survival or combat/outlaw plays? Only played WoD for a month, those two specs being changed so drastically (or sounded like it to me) seemed interesting.
>>339011462
Runscape runs on TI83 calculators
>get excited momentarily
>realize Blizz will find some way to weasel out of it again and release another shitty xpac to boost sales in first week and lose half of the remaining player base in one month
I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, RS 07.
>>339011489
Survival is boring as shit, Outlaw is fun but completely non-viable for any type of serious raiding. Your skill and gear is almost irrelevant to your DPS, it's entirely decided by your Dice Rolls.
>>339011056
>These small team of people can re-code all this from the ground up with pretty solid stability
Over many years, and imperfectly. Nost was buggy and Kronos is buggy.
>Weird how game companies always devolve into a shell of what they were. Like, a game company will get be small and make amazing games, then as they get more popular the talent gets weeded out and eventually they produce bullshit.
It's what happens when a company is publicly traded. Suddenly you're not answering to your customers or even your founders, just to your shareholders. Your shareholders don't give a damn about quality, just profit margins.
>We will get to witness this entire arc with CDPR, mark my words.
They're already public, so it's a wonder they haven't cocked up yet. Maybe all the money they're making on GOG keeps their shareholders quiet.
>>339011424
>Did you own cata when mop was live? You had a battlechest image.
No you didn't, you had the picture of Cata which is why the original post was made in the first place
>>339011424
I had the MoP image two weeks ago, anon.
>>339011553
And? My cellphone could run wow.
>>339011489
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymAEnXKE0po
最後,我們可以退貨。。。
>>339011424
>You had a battlechest image.
No I didn't, I had the Cata image
>>339011709
Honestly a good tablet could probably run vanilla wow, i dont know about a cellphone though.
Literally anywhere else this has been posted everyone agreed that it clearly meant "vanilla server are never going to happen, deal with it" which is exactly the same official statement they gave a month ago.
Yet /v/ surprise surprise is the only place shilling for the complete opposite of what is being said
>>339011728
I didn't think there would be an expansion worse than WoD, but here we are.
>>339011901
/v/ is full of underage gullible retards, etc
>>339011901
https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/735989293164830722
>mark kern says he thinks the odds are higher than ever immediately after personally meeting with the CEO and founder of Blizzard
>YOU'RE RETARDED IF YOU THINK THAT MEANS ANYTHING BUT "NEVER EVER EVER"
>>339012078
Mark Kern was forced out of his position as CEO working on Titanfall.
>>339012078
So it went from a 0.01% chance to a 0.1% chance?
WOW CONFIRMED
>>339012157
I don't really see what that has to do with Mike Morhaime telling him that Blizzard has been following this whole thing very closely and is interested in exploring it.
>>339012157
>Titanfall.
Firefall
>>339011618
>They're already public, so it's a wonder they haven't cocked up yet. Maybe all the money they're making on GOG keeps their shareholders quiet.
I think its because they aren't an american-based company. However, with WB (I think?) publishing W3...Its scary. CDPR needed them, but clearly kept the power on their side. Or maybe WB just straight up decided not to fuck with things. Either way, even though it turned out amazingly this time, you never know that if CDPR needs help again who will come to help, and what they will want.
I would imagine that with the critical and commercial success of W3 that they should be able to support themselves and if not, the next publisher will hopefully realize they don't need to stick their hands in the fuckin pot.
>>339011909
Some of the specs seem fine/fun like Unholy DK.
Then you have "holy shit this is bad" specs like Prot Pally.
I'm not holding my breath either though.
>>339012078
And how does the personal belief of someone who thought that BEFORE THIS they had a 50/50 (FIFTY FUCKING FIFTY) of having Legacy servers actually matter?
Do you even know who Mark Kern is?
Fucking guy is a nobody nowadays and literally HOPPED on Nostalrius' devs popularity to proclaim himself defender of Vanilla and proclaimed himself spokeperson of all vanilla supporters out of fucking nowhere
Legacy Servers are not happening, on top of that, we're 3 fucking months away from a new Legion who in their right mind would think that Blizzard would even remotely open up to the possibility of Legacy servers even being given any thought so close to an Expansion?
>>339011728
>everyone bitched about ret pallies in cata being fucking slot machines
>everything was "a chance to X"
>hey lets do it to rogues im sure theyd like it because ur a pirate and pirates are luck based slot machines
i kinda liked how combat looked too
>>339012324
CDPR don't need the help anymore. W3 was a big gamble for them, they put *all* their capital into it, for them it was sink or swim. They pulled it off, and their share prices doubled in the first week after W3 launched. They recouped their invesment five times over.
In future projects, CDPR are going to have the weight behind them to pick and choose publishers and tell them to fuck off if they try and force a bad deal.
http://www.wowhead.com/item=6975/whirlwind-axe
http://www.wowhead.com/item=2000/archeus
http://www.wowhead.com/item=18348/quelserrar
I'm coming back for you
>>339012396
>billion-dollar companies only plan three months ahead
>Blizzard isn't expressing genuine interest in legacy servers
>Blizzard isn't meeting with the Nost devs to talk about the technical issues surrounding legacy servers
>the guy who actually went and talked to Blizzard's CEO in person at Blizzard HQ doesn't know more than you about what Blizzard is planning
>>339012570
>no truesilver champion
>no arcanite reaper HOOOOOOOOO
h-heh.. mark kern is a nobody nostcucks. he was fired as ceo of firefall and is a total loser. legacy servers will never ever happen. n-nobody would play vanilla when they can play warlords of draenor with all of the amazing new features they've added to the game like female draenei, transmog, lfr, and awesome mounts from the cash shop for $24.99! s-so just give it up n-nostcucks, s-stop living in the past and let it go.
>>339012570
Oh dear Whirlwind Axe I still remember using you for so fucking long
I love you so much, you made me so fucking powerful
I can't wait to do this shit again holy FUCK
>>339000890
Not him but....how exactly does it make them for nothing? They're still valid within the main game, the game that you have those characters and all on to begin with. If you're saying "you can't bring them on the legacy servers", that literally only matters if you care about playing on the legacy servers.
>>339012587
This is a PR stunt to quell the vocal minority who have been constantly bitching about legacy servers.
Blizzard should have left Nost alone and let them financially bleed to death.
Instead they took the super ballsy move of shutting them down which was a PR nightmare for them.
They have to pretend like they care about legacy servers long enough so legion sales aren't hampered by bad publicity.
>>339012643
Those look cool as shit too. And then there's this shield as well
>>339012343
I'm really happy Legion is fulfilling my class fantasy of being a worthless piece of shit.
Fuck Blizzard. Can't fix WoW, can't even make a proper fps.
>>339012587
nigga I would love legacy servers too, but it's not happening. i would even pay a sub for it too
but anybody who thinks this is anything but pr to recuperate after the shitshow they dealt with shutting down nost is delusional as fuck
Pristine servers are a clear indication of how much Blizzard does not want legacy servers. All of you are delusional retards being lead on by Blizzard.
>>339012868
>tfw it drops and paladin takes it and equips it
FUCK YOU. I had a bulwark but I wanted to sell it, I was more pissed he equipped it
>>339012779
nobody who matters will give a single fuck about retail. retail servers will be 100x deader than they are currently, and only the most pathetic of retards will be remaining.
>>339012945
That shield was fucking great for Prot Paladin AoE grinding and 5 mans.
>That shield
>Shield Spike
>Holy Shield
>Retribution Aura
>Reflect ~350 damage every time something hits you
>>339012979
>retail servers will be 100x deader than they are currently
If you think they're all dead you should go on Tichondrius right now.
>>339012885
>>339012858
Why would they meet with the Nost devs in person for PR?
Just accepting the petition and saying "we'll think about it" would've been enough.
Not to mention that they've been following this whole thing. They're reading and watching everything.
I don't think legacy servers are a sure thing but it's blatantly obvious that Blizzard is interested.
>>339013107
I know how dead they are. They'll be even more dead than that.
>>339012979
Normies are gonna eat legion up.
Overwatch/CoD is proof that you just need easy gameplay and marketing to get easy money.I'm probably gonna get it since my normie friend is and I like playing even shit vidya if it's with a bro.
>>339013157
Then go on and show me. Take a screenshot, because I certainly can.
>>338988989
i'm glad you people will get your nostalgia rush for a week or two then be over it.
>>339013135
Because actually meeting them gives better PR and buying them a couple of plane tickets is chump change for the positive response they're getting for it?
It's working and they're getting good pr by the looks of it.
Here's another example of good pr, this guy buys a brand new limited edition launch edition miate and a truck tbones it less than a mile from the dealer. Mazda makes him a brand new limited edition just for him. You think they did it out of charity? Its pr
stop deluding yourself
>>339013226
>retail isn't d-dead!!
>there's 15 whole p-people in stormshield on the highest pop server right n-now. fuck you!
>>339013164
WoD was just that though. Sure it sold tons of boxes, but it ended up dead as fuck in only a few months. Even normies can tell when a game is absolutely terrible.
>>339013404
This. Mygfplayed during wod and she is as casual and normie as they come and she stopped playing because even she thought it was too casual and shit
I think it will be a reboot. You will clear all the old vanilla stuff and then get tbc and wotlk and cata and so on
>>339013135
Have you seen the reddit thread some random anon posted earlier? The fanbase is literally eating this shit up and nothing has truly been confirmed. The reddit fanbase is also downvoting any comments criticizing this. Blizz knows what they are doing considering they just sold a more casual as fuck TF2 with Waifus to normalfags for 40 bucks. They are entertaining the idea long enough so people have high enough hopes to buy legion.
Believe me I would love to fucking play TBC/Wrath again and actually experience vanilla WoW.
Blizzard isn't the same company they were 10 years ago though.
Shutting down nost was a mistake,literally. They should have left the huehues and chinks kill the server itself.
Blizzard desperately needs good PR outside of Overwatch succeeding.
>>339013327
So the guy who met with Blizzard says that they are genuinely interested in legacy servers, to the point that they did their research and have been following the whole thing closely, and that it wasn't a PR meeting, and I'm delusional for believing him instead of some guy on /v/ who says Mark Kern can't be right because Firefall was a failure.
>>339005479
It's the exact same situation except valve made the code available to modders and blizzard didn't. Fans making an amazing mod is what came out of both situations.
>>339013596
He said he didn't think it was a pr meeting, but bias and delusional thinking is a bitch.
read the post cunt >>338990042
the guy from firefall means literally nothing
shut the fuck up.
you guys are going to buy legion and play the shit out of demon hunters. don't deny it.
>>339013404
I think Blizzard just wants to focus on casual games like HearthStone and Overwatch.
They are easier to develop and maintain than WoW ever was.
MMO's are a dying genre.
They probably wanna milk the fuck outta the last few WoW fanboys that exist until the teet is literally full of puss and blood.
>>339013334
I don't think it looks too bad
>>339013710
Yes, he got the sense that it was not PR because Blizzard showed that they were following the whole thing closely. Besides that, he knows Morhaime personally.
>>339013824
>MMO's are a dying genre
This is bullshit. Decent ones stopped being made. The best thing to come out of legacy servers if they do happen is that they'll boom in popularity, and the formula for the older style, more hardcore MMO (relative to the shit that gets pumped out in recent years) will be vindicated and made popular.
>>338988989
>They had the source code all along.
Whenever someone says they don't have the source code for older software, they're either lying or they're too stupid that they actually lost it. When you talk about veterans like Blizzard, they're certain to always have the source code.
There are many reasons why you want to hold onto the source code. First of, you can bring something back up quicker because you don't have to recreate everything. Second, you can recycle some of the code, instead of starting from scratch with everything. Most importantly, recycling code cuts on development time, and time is money--the longer it takes to develop, the higher the costs.
In the case of WoW Vanilla, instead of recreating everything, they could just work on the source code a bit and have it back live in no time. Or if they choose to update it a bit, to have some of the things they've implemented in the other expansions, they can use existing code and incorporate it with new code-- it beats starting from scratch.
>>339013983
They're following it closely because they got bad publicity from shutting down nost. they're a business first and foremost, if they were going to listen to people then why has wow gotten progressively worse with fan suggestions being ignored. I'm sorry you're falling for it, but it's pr
>>339013851
>Orgrimmar
>12 people
>LOOKS ALRIGHT TO ME
Fuck off MoP babby
heh u guys think Actiblizzard wont fuck this up
>Inb4 just use the nostalgi team
heh
>heh
>>339011029
Put Vanilla in front of Cataclysm and you're objectively correct.
>>339013851
>look guys there's 20 people here on the highest pop server!
>it's totally not dead!
>>339014037
How is this bullshit?
Tortanic barely recoup it's loses.
Eve is niche beyond belief.
Wildstar is desperately trying to gain popularity.
Guild Wars 2 is popular I'll give you that.
Why would Blizz invest in genre that isn't completely stable when they can make easy casual games normies eat up no matter what?
>>339014238
>>339014164
>it's a friday night too
TOTALLY ALIVE GUYS
>>339014219
>le vanilla wasn't the 2nd best period in WoW maymay
>>339014289
>>339014238
>>339014164
Nobody hangs out in Orgrimmar any more, retards. Have him go take a screenshot in Stormshield/Voljin's Spear, the new hub.
You pathetic fucks grasping at straws to claw at the game are just as bad.
>>339014276
>TOR
>EVE
>W*
>GW2
These are all bad games anon. When an actually decent one comes along, it'll explode in popularity.
>>339014398
Whoever took the screen should do exactly this, i want no excuses for shitty populations in a dying game
>>339014398
>barely any keybindings
>defending neo-WoW
pottery
>>339014164
>12
Just because my pc is too shitty to load in everything doesn't mean that's all there is
>>339014398
>log on
>/who voljin
>10 people found
t. illidan
>>339014450
Eve doesn't compete with WoW and wildstar wasfunbut the city designs were tedious, there was no reason for players to interact with each other and because of rampant phasing it was hard to find people.
ToR was a disaster from launch but I still miss VA interaction. GW2 looked good in pictures and thats about it.
>>339014375
>le vanilla was good maymay
>>339014146
Think what you like, anon. There's really no point in arguing about this; we'll know within a year who was right.
>>339014450
Guess what?
Wildstar tried to be vanilla/tbc era wow and it failed miserably.
Normal people don't have the attention span/time to complete the tedious as fuck grind or do a dungeon that takes 3-4 hours.
Not to mention most publishers won't invest all that money into an MMO unless it's a WoW clone. MMOs are notoriously expensive to develop.
>>339014398
>Stormshield/Voljin's Spear, the new hub.
You mean the garrisons.
>>339014590
congrats bud. you managed to find 50 WoD players all in the same place. you've earned yourself a free tour of the chocolate factory.
>>339014673
agreed. I actually would love legacy servers like I said, but I really doubt it's happening. this reeks of a pr stunt
>>339014776
/who caps at 50.
>>339014776
Who stops at 50, which is why I have to let census compile to see who is actually online fully
>>339014289
>it's a friday night too
In what part of the world?
>>339014728
>Wildstar tried to be vanilla/tbc era wow and it failed miserably
You're right, it did fail miserably. It wasn't anywhere even remotely close to as good as Vanilla/BC was, and that's the point. It was a genuinely bad game.
>Normal people don't have the attention span/time to complete the tedious as fuck grind or do a dungeon that takes 3-4 hours
Normal people don't need to. They can frick right off to their cowadooty. There are millions of neets that have endless free time to invest in something like Vanilla/BC WoW, just like there was back in 2004-2008.
>>339014924
Im on east coast. I didn't realize the time and I feel retarded for the post if it gives you any satisfaction
>>339014728
Wildstar had childish presentation, fewer classes, different combat, a world that no one had any reason to care about, and it was sci-fi instead of fantasy.
What did it have in common with WoW, other than attunements and 40-man raids?
for fucks sake, i'll take a screenshot myself, one second. incoming potato screen
There is one thing I don't understand, let's say they actually make vanilla servers and you people start playing and progressing, once you hit level cap and have all BiS items why would you keep playing?
If there's one thing that bothers me about this, is the demand for the old to be new again.
Yes, there is a demand to continue playing Vanilla, I understand this. But once Vanilla is all said and done, the community won't be the same again. Its different now.
Shit, look at /v/ now versus then. Shit's changed, for better or worse.
>>339015145
Even if they released all the content at once, which i doubt they would, it would take a long time to progress through all of it
I hope this means all the nostalrius faggots get off muh Lordaeron.
>>339015145
They'd progress through the content patches/expansions the same way they did during retail Vanilla/BC/Wrath.
>>339015178
I don't think retail players would bother and if they did a lot wouldn't play past 20. The ones that stayed are probably alright people
>>339015241
The fake queue will still be there and you'll still be on a renamed moltenwow. Consider necking yourself.
>>339015178
Offical legacy servers will kill most of the private server community. The massive amount of people playing Nost and Kronos would instantly jump to a blizzard suppported server.
>>339015178
The games mechanics largely determine how the players act/interact. On Nostalrius, there was a lot of brotherhood almost between players. I'd see people struggling with a mob and about to die, I'd run over to help them out and save them from a 5 minute corpse run and repair bill. When that shit happened to me, half the time someone near by would notice and give me a hand. There was discussion in every zones /1, there were people on about their business everywhere, groups were doing quests together all over the place, etc.
The community on Nostalrius, from what I remember, was almost an exact replica of Vanilla WoW, the good and the bad. It was great.
>>339015384
>fake queue
What a time to invest in tin foil.
>>339014146
>wow gotten progressively worse with fan suggestions being ignored.
It's actually fan suggestions that made WoW worse, most of which led to the casualization of the game.
>>339015287
Its not just that. I personally started playing WoW at 1.9.
I left because my friends quit, and they have no intention of ever returning, because the Community died.
That community that was there, won't come back for Legacy.
>>339014991
almost 1 a.m. server time, only gets more dead than this in a couple of hours and here's still way more than in the other image.
>>339015645
And if I turn around here's the rest. More inside the bank and AH obviously. play on a real server, kiddos.
t. Moon Guard
>>339015645
>>339015735
>acting like level 5-12 alts for erp is """"""""population""""""""
those people are playing text adventures my dude
>>339015547
The community died because the game mechanics got more single-player.
There was tons of interaction on Nost.
>>339015735
Ah, Moon Guard. I wish I could remember why I made my DK there when my main was on Wyrmrest Accord.
>>339015735
Best US server objectively.
>>339011728
>outlaw rogue
>rogue rogue
>>339015735
Don't you have to be a futa loving lady boy to log into that server?
>>339015962
Did you post something, anon? I only see a bunch of thieves who got shut down, nothing that really exists.
>>339015805
Again, my concern it won't be the same community as you guys remember.This coming from a RPer
>>339015645
>>339015735
nice! that looks like a whole nother 50 people!
if we find a couple hundred more, we'll have tracked down the remaining retail subscriber-base!
and done
for Tichondrius, of just the Horde side, there are currently 966 people online. I don't know how many are on alliance considering it's a pvp realm and you can't make characters on both factions, and census only scans the faction of the character you're currently playing as.
At 10:50 pm on a thursday, at the point in the expansion where the only thing left to do is level alts.
>>339015993
It's safe to assume every draenei is atleast
>>339015645
>>339015735
>>339015962
I agree, nost was a dead community. Good thing they got shut down.
>>339016046
>it's a pvp realm and you can't make characters on both factions
anon.. they changed that in wrath
>>339016024
>nothing that really exists.
Fun actually exists though. It's unfortunate that a battered wife such as yourself will never experience it again.
>>339016046
you can make characters on both factions on PVP realms faggot
>>339015993
Or you could just be the futa, like a real man.
>>339016134
>>339016145
Oh, well then give 10 minutes
>>339016149
>rping with other dudes pretending to be girls
>real man
Real men play on pvp servers
>>339016235
>PvP server
>When there's literally 0 world pvp
lol, they're the exact same as pve servers now you window licker
>>339016025
I was an RPer, too. Nost's community was pretty close to what I remembered from my TBC/Wrath days, sans the roleplaying.
Oh, and there was a lot more /pol/posting in General than you'd ever see in 2008.
But people still buffed strangers, people still grouped up spontaneously to speed up questing, people still put together instance groups the old-fashioned way.
The reason why the community was the way it was was that the mechanics supported that kind of social behavior.
>>338988989
>LEGACY SERVERS
nostcucks
BTFO
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>>339016301
I don't play retail but I believe you. World pvp doesn't even exist at low levels anymore? Atleast in tbc even though it was mostly dead it still happened outside raids and leveling alts
>>339016235
There's no reason to play on a pvp server when no one is out in the world playing the game
>>339016319
>no roleplaying on nost
>>338988989I never played WoW before (or any MMO, for that matter). Would I enjoy it?
>>339016532
Most likely not. Worth a shot though, you just might love it.
>>339016498
I know there was a little. If people roleplay in FFXIV they must have roleplayed on Nost, too.
But there sure as hell wasn't a lot.
Personally, I don't see the appeal in roleplaying unless everyone on the server is doing it, but I guess some people will do it anywhere.
>>339015178
I find the community on private servers nearly the same as back then, because it's the game's design and pace that pushed the player to specific goals and interactions. The change in direction there dissolved the community.
Yeah, people constantly wax about how shit retail is and are a lot more knowledgeable about the game's mechanics in general, but the "new gaem" luster was a small part of what made it great.
Level to 20 on WoW right now, and then level to 20 on Rebirth and you'll see the difference in how players act.
>>338990873
But I want to play an old game
MMOs are the only genre where that is impossible to do.
While this is scanning I just want to take the time to say I hate druids and wish death upon anyone that plays them.
>inb4 buttmad pvper that loses to cat form
Yes, that is in fact why I hate them
>>339016689
When you signed the EULA you accepted that that's an inevitability when the game changes.
>>339016915
Hey, please kill yourself!
>>339016915
>butthurt pvp player
kys
y
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>>339017036
Ok but only on the cheek
>>339016661
>I find the community on private servers nearly the same as back then
Full of Chinese, Russians and gold farmer bots?
The real problem here is the amount of investment. Blizzard will have to do a very large long-term investment where is players who are feeling nostalgic will probably just do a short term investment $15 here or there until they get their fill of nostalgia and leave. It just doesn't add up to good business sense to make a classic server
>>339016532
Don't bother.
Especially Vanilla is full of tedium with fetch quests that have awful drop rates on q items.
>>338995569
NORMIES FUCK OFF.
I bet you can talk to women without dropping spaghetti, you disgusting piece of normie shit.
>lmao retailcucks are mad because I'm going to play blizzard to play a 12yo game
lol
>>339017347
I think you have to be literally autistic to have a hard time just TALKING to women.
And most autists can still manage that.
>>339017278
If they were serious about it they'd force people to always have the latest expansion to be able to access it.
>>339017443
plus the monthly fee.
>>339017309
>retail fag spotted
>>339017475
Obviously and you can't use tokens for it either
Gonna be honest, I thought the numbers for Alliance were going to be half of that because I was sure that this was a horde-dominated server. But maybe it is on peak hours, no idea, first time I've used this addon.
The race ratio doesn't surprise me in the slightest though. Humans have the best pvp and pve racials. The only reason not to play Human is if you're a furry.
>>339016995
>>339017036
>having mail-level armor is ok when you have rogue playstyle
Cats detected. Have the decency to play Moonkin since at least their casting function is unique.
Is Mike the richest person involved in video games today?
>>339017482
Can you actually prove me wrong?You can't.
>>339017482
> anyone who speaks ill of my beloved vanilla wow is a retail cuck!!!!
>>339017482
>implying vanilla was ANYWHERE near as good as TBC
>>339017513
>>339016046
>One of, if not the biggest retail server
>Less than 2000 players
Yeah, sounds about right.
>>338988989
>one of his employees cucked him
lmao
>>339017562
Only if you value wealth in buses/trucks
>>339017513
>Humans
>Best PvE racials
???
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdAgCrH76oo
>>339017618
>2000 players at the time of night, the time of week when literally the only people who would be playing are nolifers.
>>339017681
Every Man For Himself.
does the same as pvp trinkets, removes anything that causes a loss of control.
>>339017660
Michael Morhaime's personal wallet is worth more than Valve. Yes, the entire company.
>>339017736
my bad, I listed pvp.
I meant the rep racial.
>>339017513
I'm honestly surprised they haven't homogenized racials yet
>>339017736
But that's not nearly as good as Horde racials like Troll's or Orc's.
>>339017618
>966+1036
>2002
>less than 2000
With math skills like that, I'm not surprised that you think it's bad that a single server has 2000 players at non-peak hours on a weeknight.
>>339016046
holy shit, 966 people? that's less than a fucking iron realms mud, lmao
>>339017784
Whoops, I read Mike as Mark.
>tirion is not a horseman
Wew lad the paladins tears saved him.
>>339017904
wasn't he on another planet when he died? How would the DKs get to him?
>>339017904
Source
Seriously though? The death knights stealing Tirion's corpse would make for some great tension and issues in the future
>>338988989
Good on him confirming what everyone with a brain already knew but people on /v/ just couldn't wrap their head's around.
>>339017821
pvp did the opposite of homogenizing and turned it into the fighting game concept of counterpicking.
You pick Sagat and your opponent picked Rose? Tough shit, you're not beating her if the two of you are at equal skill level. Rose counters and shitstomps Sagat in Ultra IV.
That's how classes are in WoW pvp now, and I don't consider that a good thing.
>>339017963
No he was in the broken shore.
>>339018069
They tried to steal his body and failed, the paladins killed Mograine and Bolvar tell you that he will be the 4th horseman.
>>339018080
that it was a very technically difficult thing to bring up vanilla servers?
>>339018129
>the paladins killed Mograine
Well I mean, it's not like it's the first time he died. Bolvar is the LK, he can always bring him back.
>>339018129
>the paladins killed Mograine and Bolvar tell you that he will be the 4th horseman.
That's kind of a letdown.
>>339018181
Correct.
>>339018193
I know.
>>339018260
Yeah is kinda stupid but it make sense since you're the deathlord now and he was a powerful paladin in life.
>MFW nostalcucks are desperate to play vanilla WoW
>MFW I have Legion preordered + like 100+ Sub tokens and access to Legion beta to be ahead of the curve
>MFW they won't be apart of Legion and it will be a great expansion
feels good the gutter trash millennials who NEVER PLAYED actual vanilla WoW won't get their way. Feels so good.
I am a WoW oldfag and I started WoW in feb 2005 and let me personally tell you, Vanilla WoW was absolutely awful and a buggy mess of shit. Only complete autists of the highest levels enjoyed it. TBC + WOTLK were and still are the best expansions / WoW content ever produced, as well as MoP.
Nothing in Vanilla was great. Everything vanilla like was improved and done away with in expansions to make the game better overall.
You can sit there and whine forever saying WoD sucks and I agree, WoD is a catastrophe and a complete failure, but don't tell me the solution to WoDs failure is a fucking vanilla server. Half you guys won't even pay to play on it.
Anyways I feel good because it will NEVER EVER happen anyway, and I get to enjoy Legion without the cancer trash. Feels good man.
>>339018109
You are never going to have a truly even battlefield AND variety. Its impossible. Even in chess the first person has the advantage.
You know what the sad thing is?
We all know Legion is going to sell like gangbusters no matter what. Even if everyone stops playing a month later, Demon Hunters and legendary weapons alone will net Blizz another 4-5 million boxed copies solid, and in their mind they'll have done nothing wrong and we just came crawling back.
I mean sour feelings for Blizzard certainly didn't kill the Overwatch hype train.
>>339018361
I wish you could stockpile 100 tokens. I really do.
>>339018331
Yeah but the stronger the Paladin was in life the stronger he will be in death. Fucking hell, I was actually interested in that quest line
>>339018376
chess has deep and far reaching mechanics and tactics, the same cannot be said for wow
>>339018403
It would probably be more profound if those "sour feelings" came from somewhere other than a few internet forums.
>>339018479
>chess has deep and far reaching mechanics
No, it has a handful of simple mechanics.
>>339018479
at high levels of play chess is actually kind of shitty because there are optimal strategies
also what >>339018572 said, the game's elegance is in its simplicity
On an unrelated but still Blizz note, at least Abathur is probably the most fun co-op commander SC2 has made. Makes me wonder who the third terran commander will beprobably just Matt because they're lazy when it comes to who to pick, though maybe it'll be the scientist.
>>339018460
The quest line is not in game but we know the ending from audio files and well:
>the ebon blade ask for the body
>they say no
>the ebon blade attack them because there is a spot where the light is not so strong in the chapel
>still the paladins resist and kill mograine
>ebon blade retreat
>you hear the voice of bolvar telling you about mograine and how he sacrificed everything to stop the lk
>he will be your 4th horseman
and that's it
>>339018670
Thanks, interest completely lost
>>339018654
It won't be Egon, it'll be Matt, it fits the pattern
>Artanis: leader
>Kharax: upgrade guy
>Vorazun: second in command
>Kerrigan: leader
>Abathur: upgrade guy
>Zagara: second in command
>Raynor: leader
>Swann: upgrade guy
>Matt: second in command
>>339018634
The elegance in chess is actually the pieces, design wise they're beautiful and the amount of variety in various chess sets is mind blowing. I could masturbate to the beauty of their simple designs, especially in marble.I'm terrible at chess
>>339018670
That's some serious bullshit. Did paladin players cry on the forums or some shit and get it changed?
>>339018654
What is a coop commander?
>>339018783
I'm trying to find the audio for tirion but I just cant find it.
>post yfw nostalgcucks will NEVER EVER get a legacy server
>>339018361
>>339019001
Are you masturbating right now?
>>339018865
It's the only fun mode in SC2. You and another player do co-op against random map mission (the train robbery, void reavers attacking npc building, etc)
The commanders have unique abilities that make them all play different. For example Swann can't build a barrack and thus no infantry, but Factories don't cost gas and his strategy is mainly spamming goliaths. Kerrigan plays like having a WC3 hero. Only Vorazun has access to dark templar, stuff like that.
And you get bonus powerups as you win missions with that commander and level them up, like unlocking Tech Reactors for Swann or for Artanis's final unlock, automatically starting with 200 supply.
>>339019063
If only I had a buddy with the game. Oh well.
>>339019041
I'm trying to but I need more vanillafag tears to lube up
>>339019118
I just play with random people
>>339019041
>he doesn't have a cute folder with 10000s of images of cute and lewd 2D anime girls
look at this pathetic loser.
Bring back legit ninja looting!
>>339019139
I don't think tears make for good lube. Aren't they mostly water? I heard that if you use water as lubricant you can tear the skin on your dick open.
>>339019240
ninja looting is still in game.
>>339019241
Then how does masturbating in the shower work?
>>339019241
Most lube is water based you know
And how rough and fast are you jerking son, gotta pace yourself
>>339018783
I know but at least Akama is back with the dhs.
>>339018857
Probably.
>>339019139
>he doesn't do it dry
>>339019240
When was it removed?
>>339019374
>drydocking
only good if I plan on getting off in 5 minutes, i've given myself rugburns doing it for an hour or so
lube or spit is good for long hauls my friend. good lube also feels fucking good
>>339019286
When I did that, I used soap. Water just isn't a good lubricant.
>>339019338
Water-BASED. Not actually water. I think tears are more water-like in their behavior.
Then again, spit works well enough.
>>339018857
I've seen a couple of threads of people whining about it on the forums a while back
>>339019350
That's not worth much, Akama shouldn't have betrayed Illidan in the first place
>>339019734
>Akama shouldn't have betrayed Illidan in the first place
Why not? The only reason he was fighting with him is because Illidan said he was going to give kharabor back to the draenei.
>>339018129
>>339018670
Really? They fuck Mograine yet again after years of him doing jack shit? In the same very spot as the last two times no less?
Fuck that.
>>339019350
>>339019734
>>339019834
Don't start that conversation, BC lore doesn't make sense and bringing the new lore just makes everybody in BC look retarded
>>339019850
Is the third fucking time he is cucked in that fucking church but at least now he's like a horseman or something.
>>339019929
What conversation? Is this going to attract the "le illidan did nothing wrong xd" fags?
>>339020039
Malfurion is an asshole, Illidan literally, unironically did nothing wrong.
>>339020039
>Died for the first time at the church
>Corrupted Ashbringer fucks him over the second time
>Gets killed yet again the 3rd visit
He really should just stay away from it
> Is this going to attract the "le illidan did nothing wrong xd" fags?
Doesn't matter, threads about to die. Although with this new lore Illidan reminds me of Dr Doom
>>339019673
Soap will fuck up you winky if it enters the urinals track. The pain, the horror
>>339020215
Well at least he destroyed the nathrezim home planet that was probably the biggest blow to the legion in the last 10k years.
>>339020282
And he could have gotten Argus if it wasn't for those pesky adventurers
