Legacy servers are confirmed.
Mark Kern just concluded his meeting with Blizzard on the topic of legacy servers. They had the source code all along. They're currently waiting to meet with the Nostalrius team in the coming weeks to gain insight on how they managed to get their server running.
So now that that's all out of the way and we know for certain that we'll be playing on official legacy servers in the coming months, what race/class/spec will you be maining? Favorite zone/city? Favorite dungeon/raid?
https://twitter.com/Grummz
let it go
post link with new relevant info or fuck off. Nobody cares about his shitty twitter bullshit
You realize this level of delusion is pathetic right
>>338990873
>>338990875
>>338990880
>assmad retailcucks pissed about their facebook games and $25 mounts no longer being relevant
>no expansion until August
>blizz shuts down Nost and hints at vanilla servers
>proceeds to tease fans for months
>legion launches and everyone forgets
>>338991009
Not 'assmad' or whatever memes you children want to spout I was just asking for relevant info. Clearly you have nothing So Ill leave the thread as its obviously just your personal shitposting thread
Be better OP
>>338991191
The twitter contains all new relevant information you retard.
Sounds like it went pretty well honestly. I fucking knew they had the source code still the little snakes.
>>338991315
>twitter has no actual info
>this is all the info I have
Sounds like youre the one assmad and BTFO then because there is no conformation htere at all...
Sucks to be a poor nigger then I guess
Enjoy your shit thread
>>338988989
Level to about 20, frost mage, hang out in barrenschat forever
>>338991191
>you children
m'lady
>>338991482
>Blizzard is listening intently
>They're up to date on the community's thoughts and the entire situation
>They have the original source code despite their lies
>They're meeting with the Nostalrius team soon to discuss the technical aspects of setting up legacy servers
That's a lot of relevant information, and it's all on the twitter feed. It doesn't surprise me that a retailcuck is illiterate though.
The fact that these are tweets and what he discloses in the tweets is controlled by a Non-disclosure agreement. We are only hearing what blizz wants us to hear, there is no confirmation anywhere in those tweets.
>>338990873
funny you post FLCL since they recently announced a reboot of that as well
>>338991482
Your lack of punctuation tells me that you are probably retarded.
>That obvious leash leading
>people don't remember that blizzard did this fucking shit with official support for DOTA for years before Valve picked it up making Blizzard shit themselves
Valve won't save you this time fuckers.Also Blizzard just began nerfing leveling progression in WoW and shilling their $60 level boost harder, they don't give a shit about what the community wants.
>>338988989
Problem was never about them having or losing source code. It's fucking blizzard, they can't just roll out old 2004 game with shitty netcode and buggy stuff.
And merging new stuff with old stuff is actually might be too expensive to just please some nostalgic fucks.
>>338991918
>there is no confirmation anywhere in those tweets
Yeah no shit, nobody was expecting them to announce Legacy servers via Mark Kern's twitter. It still sounds very promising though, I'm excited to see what comes out of their meeting with the Nostalrius guys.
>>338991715
thats just bullshit theyre saying to not seem like the true blizzard they are
>>338992014
Holy shit really?
>>338992296
>Problem was never about them having or losing source code.
You serious nigger? That exact reason was cited by Blizzard themselves for years. It was also parroted by retard blizzdrones relentlessly for years and years up until today.
>>338992312
All they did was have Mark Kern, repeat the same thing blizz had already told us themselves. "Its not as easy as it sounds". We just heard it from his mouth is the only thing that changed. This is just some gay attempt to pacify the masses before a multimillion dollar game release that could be affected by bad publicity.
>>338992296
>some nostalgic fucks.
I find it funny that Nostalrius had more active players than some modern retail MMOs. What a strange perspective
>>338992296
>Problem was never about them having or losing source code
Actually that was probably the biggest problem with them doing Legacy servers. If they genuinely had lost the source code it really would be a LOT of work having to recode basically everything.
No need to worry about that any more though :)
>>338988989
>Please blizz Ill be a good goy
We all you you want blizz to fuck your ass with vanilla servers for the low cost of a $130 one off payment and $15 a month for the rest of your miserable existence. You dont need to keep reminding us daily
Dont forget to buy legion :^)
>>338992486
It's way easier to feed you with bullshit excuses than do risky moves. :^)
>>338991715
>They have the original source code despite their lies
They've never said they've lost it, it was a rumor. They were and keep saying that it's technically hard to make a server. Kern is literally parroting what they've been saying since April
>>338992442
http://en.rocketnews24.com/2016/03/25/hit-anime-flcl-getting-sequel-series-15-years-after-its-last-episode-in-u-s-japan-co-production/
>>338992014
I assumed that was intentional as a shitpost?!?
source code is only half the problem when you work on windows environment. I have old code from 10 year ago that won't work anymore because of all the obsolete DLL and layers of windows update that made it impossible to compile without fucking archeology to find the old files.
>what race/class/spec will you be maining?
none because never again
ok
>>338992626
>They've never said they've lost it, it was a rumor
I can't find an official quote on it. It's fucking crazy because "they lost the code" was a reason cited by countless retards every time the idea has been brought up for fucking years. Were they all just talking shit out of their asshole this entire time?
>>338992626
pretty sure a blue literally said it
>>338992907
they maintain a 14 year old game and still support XP, i think they can handle it
why are nostalgia fags such obnoxious cucks
it's really funny how the goto term used to call out everyone who disagrees changed from "blizzdrone" to "retailfag"
I guess blizzard cock tastes like candy!
>>338993996
Overwatch made /v/ love blizz again.
Vanillafags are truly as cancerous as the modern WoW community, they just don't realize it.
>>338988989
Considering how disappointing Legion sounds with each update, it's nice to see something going right for a change. Still, no hype until official Blizzard announcement that it's a confirmed thing that's actually happening.
Serious question, not trying to start shit:
Why is everyone so up in arms about playing a shitty vanilla 12-year old MMO even more? It's twelve fucking years old.
Nost dev said their server cost them 700 dollars a month and it hosted up to 16k people at the same time.
How much does blizzard even spend in hardware hosting wow server? 5k a month? That's close to nothing.
>>338993996
The only obnoxious one here is you stupid faggots that come into threads about subjects you hate, bump the thread and talk out of your fucking ass.
>>338994346
Inorite?? I mean, nobody plays games made before 2010! xDYou're a fucking retard, shut the fuck up.
>>338994346
It's fine if you don't like a game but why would the age of the game matter?
Are pre ps3 games all trash according to you?
People are still playing vanilla everquest from 1999
>>338991009
You do realize you will have to pay a sub fee right
>>338994346
Nostalgia is hella of a drug man.
>>338994346
The state of the MMORPG genre has people pretty desperate for a decent one (which Vanilla WoW was). The people who have been wanting a Vanilla realm for years have been ignored and poked and shit upon by both Blizzard and shitposters/retailcucks for years now. Getting some vindication on the matter feels good.
>>338994346
Because it was free
>>338994461
>>338994478
The only old games worth playing were, you know, GOOD GAMES. This is fucking vanilla WoW.
>>338994507
I suppose that's the best answer possible, thanks.
>>338994597
Vanilla was never good, don't you remember everyone calling it a shitty, casual EQ clone?
>>338994507
Nostalgia isn't real though, vanilla is a time consuming game and no one would have 80 days /played like most people on nost, a one year old server because of nostalgia
Why do you think there's no private server for mop or cata?
Because it's shit and nostalgia doesn't keep people on servers
>>338994507
>Le nostalgia meme
How many times do you have to hear testimonies of people who played and enjoyed Nost a couple of months ago before you get it into your peabrain that the gameplay is simply better in older iterations of WoW than it is nowadays.
>>338994635
>I don't like Vanilla WoW so nobody can!
Dude, shut up.
>>338994486
Oh no I'll have to pay $15 whole dollars per month to play a video game! I might even have to spend $50 on Legion. What will I ever do?
>>338993847
Yes, they were talking out their ass.
The thing that's hard to explain is that there isn't some server software that equates to every version of a WoW that was ever live. Everyone running their own is basically emulating a lot of functions with other shit being broken.
But yes, people saying a software company lost the source code were fucking idiots. At worst it was inaccessable for a time be because it was archived.
>>338994635
>>338994850
>giving money to blizzard
>>338994952
I don't think the guy who's so fucking hipster he's campaigning to pay Blizz for a 12-year-old mediocre game gets to tip any fedoras.
>>338995007
Go complain about that in the 20 Overwatch threads up right now, my man. Pretty sure that outweighs the guys on this board that want Legacy.
>>338994346
Because video games are fun, and the funnest version is the one you remember. Although if you want to go deeper, it's like the human campaign of Warcraft 3 stopped running one day unless you ran a pirated version that only mostly worked
>>338994723
>Why do you think there's no private server for mop or cata?
there are, since you don't know about warmane obviously you have no idea what you're talking about, retard
>>338995063
>Game with 9m subs
>Hipster
I don't think you know what that word means.
>>338994723
>>338994848
Nostalgia is definitely real bro.
I accept that vanilla WoW is better than current shitty retail WoW. Doesn't mean I want to go back to game where I literally have to have no life. The game changed for the better throughout the expacs for a good reason. Only disgusting NEETS/underages have the time for vanilla WoW.
Some people can ignore that and find a good game. I can't since I want to do things outside of vidya lol. Plus I rather grind execution/techskill in melee/fighting games than play an MMO. Atleast I get to met real people in fighting game tournies.
>>338995192
Of course there are but 95% of the private server pop is on vanilla, tbc or wotlk you mongoloid cocksucker, mop and cata are irrelevant
Warmane pop atm : Wotlk 10k, mop+cata 1,8k
And those are some of the only post wotlk servers avaible
>>338995569
Sorry that Vanilla WoW was too hardcore for you buddy. Have fun playing WoD or Legion or whatever other casual shit you're interested in.
>>338995569
>Only disgusting NEETS/underages have the time for vanilla WoW.
That's weird because a lot of my Nost guild had a wife and kids.
Just because you personally can't fit WoW into your oh so busy schedule doesn't mean nobody else can.
fuck 'video games', especially vanilla WoW
>>338995747
Nost didn't even get to AQ40 anon come on.
You act like MC is uber fucking hard.
Can't wait for this to fail and close
>Oh boy I got to play Nostalrius for free, surely Blizzard will do the same
You're going to be oh so wrong
>>338995995
>Doesn't mean I want to go back to game where I literally HAVE to have no life!
>I m-m-mean no life sometimes, only when certain content is released m-maybe!
Get your shit together faggot.
>>338995995
Every semi-serious guild was still raiding at least 3 times a week for 3-4 hours.
>>338996162
>I c-c-can't wait for this to fail!
>every knows p-p-people only play for free!
>n-nobody is going to p-pay for Vanilla servers!
>>338995569
>i don't want to play video games but make me a video game
you sound fucking retarded. making games that cater to casual players leads to shitty games. it's all just bells and whistles no fucking meat on the bones. I had a little bit of fun when I came back to WoD looking at all the toys and stuff and messing around with Darkmoon Faire but then I tried to do the raidsyou know, the ACTUAL FUCKING CONTENT OF THE GAMEit was bland as fucking shit.
>>338996162
Exactly who the fuck have you been listening to that expects it to be free? Show me these people.
>>338991715
>Blizzard is listening intently
>They're up to date on the community's thoughts and the entire situation
If that were true then wouldn't Live not be shit?
>>338996202
Any shit guild was able to clear MC in sub 2 hours and the third day was only for ZG which most guilds didn't even need after a few months
10 hours a week isn't much anyway considering wow is entertainment.
If you don't enjoy raiding there is no point doing it.
>>338996534
>Argues you need no life to raid in Vanilla
>Is now arguing that raiding doesn't take long
?
>>338996162
The collage of blizzcuck posts like this one when vanilla servers are announced is going to be fucking great
I wish moot's chinese cousin would raise the file size cap temporarily so we could put like a 100kx100k px golden face behind it all
>>338996630
but it doesn't take long
>>338996523
They actually just this week hotfixed some stuff to make the game harder at lower levels and LFD spam leveling less viable.
>>338996630
you're projecting so fucking hard dude i went up 3 replies and he said nothing about having no life
in-fact he said the opposite where there's wives and kids playing the game
>>338996721
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vR20QH5UHoM
>Mark Kern
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1tuf3c/this_is_why_mark_kern_was_removed_as_ceo_by_red_5
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR BROS
I'VE PAID FOR EVERY SINGLE MOUNT AND PET FROM THE CASH STORE SINCE 2011. I'VE BEEN A LOYAL CUSTOMER SINCE CATACLYSM AND THIS IS HOW THEY TREAT US!?VANILLA WAS FUCKING SHIT! NOBODY WILL ACTUALLY PAY TO PLAY THIS 12 YEAR OLD GAME. IT WAS FULL OF BUGS AND RET PALADINS WERE TERRIBLE. YOU HAD TO GEAR FOR HIT AND EXPERTISE AND THERE WASN'T EVEN A QUEUE FOR RAID FEATURE. I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS IS HOW THEY'RE REPAYING US FOR OUR YEARS OF SUBSCRIPTION FEES. MY FEMALE DRAENEI WAIFU THAT I WORKED SO HARD ON TO MAKE BEAUTIFUL WITH $24.99 COSMETICS AND TRANSMOGS IS ALL FOR NOTHING! FUCK BLIZZARD AND FUCK NOSTALGIA FAGGOT KEKS!
>>338996417
I didn't say I wanted to play a game for casuals. I just didn't want to go through the grind that is Vanilla WoW.
>>338996856
Get some reading comprehension faggot, >>338996630
>>338995747
^They're both me.
>>338996759
tryhard guilds would be doing 1-2 BWLs, at least 1 MC and Ony, and some optional ZGs
>>338996902
>Faggot
https://twitter.com/grummz/status/733302509192675328
>>338996945
>I didn't say I want you to feed me through a tube. I just said I want you to put a hollow cylindrical object directly into my stomach and push liquid and semi-liquid food into it.
that's literally you
you're fucking retarded
>>338996902
>Seriously still trying to smear Mark Kern
He's already had the meeting, his reputation doesn't mean anything now. Not that it did before either.
>>338997127
His "original vision" changed weekly which is what killed the game and company when he was CEO
>>338996905
its ok Now they will charge you $130 and $15 a month to play vanilla
Dont forget to buy legion
>>338997265
>$130
>He's so fucking retarded he doesn't realise all expansions are bundled now and have been for years
>>338997245
>His "original vision" changed weekly
According to that random retard that authored that reddit post? The same retard who was confirmed to be a SJW attempting to smear and slander Kern for being supportive of GG? yeah nah.
>>338996945
I can understand that but it's all about how you want to play the game.
Playing on nost it took me two months of slow questing to get to 60, I could have grinded 12 hours a day for a week but the problem is that you're focusing on endgame.
Leveling itself is gameplay and should be enjoyable.
The hardship of farming mats for raids is greatly exagerated, you can easily get all you need for pre AQ in an hour every week.
>>338997265
YEAH YOU TELL THAT FAGGOT NOSTKEK! HE HAS TO PAY MONEY TO BLIZZARD! HAHA! WHAT A FUCKING LOSER!
Blizzard are huge jews but at least they're smart jews. Some group is stepping on their intellectual property rights, they stop them, but then they meet them to figure out what they were doing and hopefully profit from that? Sounds like the right way to handle business.
>>338988989
As someone who spent a lot of time on vanilla, why the fuck would you want to go back? Do you really want vanilla WoW or do you want your life as it existed when you were playing vanilla WoW.
>>338997353
>IM WILLING TO PAY THAT YOU FUCKING KEK
>NILLA WAS GREAT ID PAY $500 JUST FOR THE PRIVILEDGE OF SUCKING BLIZZ COCK ONE MORE TIME
>>338997046
But it is a mmo, what you listed in a decent guild lasted 6 hours a week.
If you can't put 8 hours a week in a mmo, maybe you shouldn't play a mmo.
>>338996905
Wait, what happened to hit and expertise? What do people gear for nowadays? Do you just have a DPS stat, like this piece of gear has +25,000 DPS making it better than the previous tier 17 piece with only 21,500 DPS?
>>338997553
>Shitting on people who want to pay to play a good Blizzard game
>Ignores the 30 Overwatch shill threads in the catalogue
Go and fucking convince those people, not us, faggot.
>>338997673
>OTHER PEOPLE PAY MONEY TO BLIZZARD SO ILL GLADLY LINE UP FOR MY SHOT IN THE MOUTH
I honestly didn't expect much from this or the upcoming meeting with the nostfags. I'm pleasantly surprised and I'm guessing there would be a lot of other faggots feeling similar.
It's certainly not "for sure" but it's looking more and more likely every day now. If I had to bet, I'd bet on an announcement at blizzcon and legacy server access tied to legion purchase and current sub, but maybe that's too obvious and I'm an idiot.
I'd be fine with whatever just for the chance to play vanilla or tbc in a stable environment, no chance of shutdown, (probably) less cheating, etc. I'll miss my russian friends from nost, tho. Those dudes were all pretty fucking chill if you ignore not being able to communicate very well.
>be leveling orc shaman, save some random fellow horde warrior from being kited to death by asshole human mage
>he says "U R FRIEND, I THX YOU FRIEND"
>time passes, be now almost 60 in EPL
>getting my butt fucked by asshole nelf hunter, about to die
>suddenly russian warriorbro appears, he's 60 with gear and has other fags with him, they kill gay nelf. his friends keep running, looking for other allies to kill, warrior stands with me for a sec
>he says "FRIEND, I REMEMBER", bows, takes off
If something even 10% that cool ever happened in retail WoD I would play it.
>>338988989
I fail to see how this means legacy is actually happening.
>>338988989
>this amount of desperation and delusion
>>338997624
gear is literally just ilvl now there's no mix and matching pieces. grabbing some stuff here or there. it's just you get this set and MAYBE you can have a different trinket.
>>338997624
Stamina is standard on every single piece of gear. There are three primary stats (Strength, Agility, Intellect) that change based on which stat your spec uses. For example if I play a Ret Paladin and get a piece of Strength Plate gear and then I swap my spec to Holy, the Strength on all of my gear will magically turn into Intellect.
Aside from Stamina and Primary stats (decided entirely for you), you have 6 secondary stats. Crit, Mutistrike, Haste, Mastery, and Versatility, and Spirit. These stats are variable and will be what you're discerning between when picking pieces of gear to use.
Some gear has a chance to drop with a gem socket on it. You can get gems for any secondary stat you wish. That's as far as gear diversity goes in modern World of Warcraft.
>>338997831
Yeah, I know man, I am actually really pathetic for wanting to give Blizzard money. I really do probably hate NeoBlizz as much as you do and haven't given them a dime in 5 or 6 years but old WoW will always hold a soft spot in my heart and I'd gladly give them my shekels to play official Legacy servers.
I know I'm a dumb fucking goyim but hey.
>>338988989
i dunno man. this sounds a lot like a sting op. they're basically extracting every detail they need to prove what he did and prove his intent so they can prosecute him
>>338997548
I played Nost and it was goodand fun.
I played retail and it was badbut still kind of fun I guess
Vanilla is better.
>>338998062
There really aren't any trinkets with interesting effects in the current game.
They are actually making a positive change in this regard in Legion by adding those legendaries that have unique effects. The problem being that items with those effects would previously have been just epic.
>>338998203
And what did he do?
>>338998238
there's not gonna be unique effects your'e just going to have your class/spec legendary and then the tree that isn't even a tree cause you can fully fill up each skill in it
>>338997379
That reddit post was a year before gamergate m8
>>338998207
My argument isn't that retail is good but that retail has become shit and nost is chasing a memory.
I'm not going to tell you not to have fun though, have at er I guess.
>>338998116
>There are three primary stats (Strength, Agility, Intellect) that change based on which stat your spec uses.
why not just combine them into Power at this point
>>338998369
there is that, but he's meaning random legendary drops. I'm actually not sure if they're still called legendaries - maybe relics? I forget.
But there are random weird items that can drop and they have various cool effects.
I haven't been keeping up on most of the beta stuff so I could be off on what exactly they do, but I'm pretty sure that's what he meant, not the class weapon thing.
>>338998369
I mean the actual legendaries, not the artifacts.
>>338998116
>Mfw WC3 items/stats were more indepth than this
I just want to see the forum faggots that posted "the wall" all these years get BTFO.
>>338998483
They basically are combined into one uniform stat, just with different names for the illusion of gear diversity.
>>338998475
>nost is chasing a memory.
But Nost was fun. I actually played it.
I started WoW during TBC so I don't even have nostalgia for vanilla.though I'll admit it's close enough to hit my nostalgia for TBC
>>338994920
What about Squaresoft and FFIX's allegedly lost code? Is that bullshit too?
>>338994348
>700 dollars for 16k people
>equals 5k dollars for 5 million people
solid math skills at the work
>>338999102
>5 million
Anon...
>>338998340
i mean the devs at the meeting
>>338999102
you dont pay per person you fucking idiot
The cost is directly related to the size of the server not how many people are playing at any given time. Jesus fucking christ
>>338999261
Nost dev's meeting is next week.
>>338999094
IX was just released on Steam last month.
They added the in-game cheats that previous FF ports had.
I heard they lost the original background artwork, though, and that's why they couldn't make it HD.
>>338999354
doesn't change what i said
I think if Blizz really wants to do this they are probably thinking, "why just stop at combining our source with Nostalrius' codebase and modernization of it and throwing up the game exactly as it was back in 2006?" I think they probably want to spruce it up and give it modern polish while keeping the experience intact. You know, allowing it to work with the newer graphics engine and models, adding in some minor quality of life improvements that won't change the feel of the original patches and gameplay too much, maybe fix exploits and bullshit they didn't know about or hadn't fixed back then
Basically I think they are mulling over the idea of not just straight vanilla but 'enhanced' vanilla.
>>338998624
So mages are going to get a party together and time warp each other?
>>338996905
I'm pretty sure expertise didn't exist in vanilla, though.
>>338988989
what's a retailcuck? never heard this before.
>>338998203
Why the fuck would they want to prosecute anyone over legacy servers?
In fact I'm pretty sure they can't, since Nostalrius complied with the C&D.
>>338999094
Not the guy you're replying to but I think console devs just have a different culture, especially in the old days when they didn't patch their games. Blizzard has pretty much patched their games since the beginning, so they had more use for version control (since if they rolled out a bad patch it's easier to just reset to an earlier version and push that out than try to manually undo the change).
Here is a post from someone at Insomniac saying they don't really have access to PS2 or earlier game's source code and assets: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/272694/Ratchet__Clank_2016_postmortem.php and there's really no reason for him to lie here. Seems like console devs just did their own thing back then, kinda disconnected from how people programmed for the PC.
If you look at other programming projects you can find ones with like 25 years of version control history I think for some of the BSDs.
>>338999509
Well they can mull over the game failing if they want to fuck about with it.
Only a small minority wants them to fuck around and change the game, people just want straight Vanilla. Mark has said this to them in the meeting today, if they're going to fuck about with it and add new graphics and cash shops and shit they can go without my $15.
>>338999536
You're right, weapon skills that served an identical function to expertise existed.
>>338999529
No, "Your time warp". Simply means mages with that ring get 2 bloodlust
>>338999509
I like the idea of improving vanilla but a lot of vanilla players are legitimately autistic and would quit for any change larger than bugfixes.
Absolutely nobody trusts them to develop new content, either, which is a shame because I'd rather see new content added to vanilla than an endless progression cycle up through TBC or Wrath.
>>338999559
Someone who plays the latest build of World of Warcraft, which is called "retail" because it's the one you pay for.
Get a fucking life. imagine still playing wow
>>338999529
It still has a 5 minute cooldown so at best you're getting one time warp from the other guys every 10 minutes + one of your own time warps every 5 minutes. Still pretty cool.
>>338992442
No. It's a second season, not a reboot.
>>338988989
I miss the old Barrens
Isn't Mark Kern a known GamerGater? Why would anyone take him seriously?
>>338997265
Hasn't Blizzard given all accounts all the current expansions for free at this point? So It'd only be the sub cost + Legion (If they make it a requirement)
>>338988989
You will never get to relive your childhood.
>>338999909
Here's your (You)
>>338998997
>make a bunch of cool shit in vanilla
>nerf anything players are using "wrong" into uselessness
>remove it next expansion because "no one uses it!"
blizzard really killed their own game
>>338988989
Regardless how this turns out the response on /v/ will be glorious
>>338999975
It's $15 for the base game + all expansions including WoD. If you don't pay any you can only play the "starter edition" up to level 20.
You can also get all the expansions for free if you see JUSTcraft in cinemas now. Buy your ticket today.
>>338999975
They've always done that iirc, when the newest expac comes out, the past ones become part of the base package as it's 'legacy' content at that point.
Like when Cata came out, WOTLK became included in the purchase price of the base game along with BC
>>339000163
>They've always done that
Wrath required you to buy TBC before you could add it to your account.
>legacy servers finally come out
>you're 10 years older now
>it's not fun anymore
>>338995203
It was a while after cata that you could buy retail and get everything up to Wrath for free.
>>339000154
>>339000163
>It's $15 for the base game + all expansions including WoD
That's not how it works anymore, the outdated expansions are added for free onto the accounts and all pre-existing accounts got WoD for free as well a couple of months back
>>339000332
>Nostalrius was fun even though it was Vanilla 11 years later
>>338997548
Most Nost players where never around Vanilla BC or even Wrath, so it was all new to them.
>>339000410
>all pre-existing accounts got WoD for free as well a couple of months back
Not quite. They had to be inactive for a year and the owner of the account had to click a link in an email.
I know this because I recovered my account a couple of weeks ago and I didn't have WoD and was told I didn't qualify for it since I missed the promo.
>>338994850
>RETAILKEKS BTFO LOLOLOL
>you know you'll have to buy retail to play legacy servers right
>LOL SO WHAT I DONT CARE IF I HAVE TO BUY RETAIL. RETAILKEKS STILL BTFO!
>>339000492
[Citation needed]
>>339000671
Don't argue with the mentally retarded. You will never win.
>>339000671
>assmad retailcuck pissed that his cash shop investments in mounts and pets will all be for nothing
>>339000532
It was a limited time offer?
>They had to be inactive for a year and the owner of the account had to click a link in an email.
Fair enough, Although I don't remember getting any email. I just logged onto battlenet and got it automatically without even noticing
I don't get why Wow players haven't all killed themselves yet
>>339000532
No, they in included WoD in the base game a few weeks ago. Everyone who has ever bought WoW has WoD now.
Instead of vanilla servers I'd rather they just took a look at why vanilla was so loved and make a new game like that.
Maybe we'd see some good MMOs being made again when everyone tries to copy THAT game.
Are they that embarrassed about WoD?
>>338988989
They still have not outlined what they consider to be required for a legacy server. The only thing they have mentioned was a few things for pristine which was not at all legacy.
That being said I am still hyped.
Vanilla - Orc or troll hunter, winterspring rep/thorium/demon circuits. Hanging out in UC waiting for the naxx raid or soloing dungeons like BRD/UBRS with kiting/pet leash tactics.
BC - BE Prot Paladin, Full daily grind. Skip raids after gear. Hit heroics constantly. Hanging out in silvermoon and shattrath.
Wotlk - Orc Frost DK, Full daily grind, hanging out in dalaran waiting on pvp queues. Ulduar best raid.
>>339001637
>Doesn't use the expansion box anymore
Looks like it
>>339001637
Yes. It split the community and left a sour taste in tons of people's mouths.
>>338988989
Sounds like they're being gently laid to rest before a bullet goes through their head.
>>339000908
Ah, maybe you had to log in. I didn't get it so I don't know the details.
>>339000931
Huh, that's strange. I just checked my account and it says I've got it, but when I first recovered my account about 2 weeks ago I was still on MoP.
I was able to activate a 10-day trial for WoD which afaik only let you level up to 91.I didn't even get that far because I only played for a couple of days and none of my characters were very high level
>paying Blizz after they murdered your characters
wew
>>339001889
I've been told it had about half the content of previous expacs despite costing $10 more.
I know it has 2 raid tiers when all other expacs had 3 or 4, and that it's the only expac that didn't add a new race or class.
>>339001889
like every fucking expac
>expect the second coming of christ
>get another WoW expansion instead
>whine about it
like fucking clockwork
>>339002225
Bait
>>338992175
>>That obvious leash leading
Ok, can we talk about this? How is this only obvious to you and me? How the fuck is everyone else oblivious to it?
>>339002460
What the fuck are you talking about?
>>339002594
They are jerking eachother off because they both think that blizzard acted this exact same way before with DOTA and the only thing that got them off their asses was valve making something similar but valve isn't going to make an mmo right now so blizzard has no real monetary incentive to make legacy servers.
>>339002225
No NOBODY LIKE WOD.
Every Xpac actually appealed to the fanbase in a positive way.
Yes even Mists had some high notes people fondly remembered.
WoD had literally none of that.
Blizzard just wants to forget it ever existed and move on.
>>338992175
>Also Blizzard just began nerfing leveling progression in WoW
Which is one of the biggest complaints the vanilla crowd has about the current game: That everything below a certain level gets one shot and that LFD spam is the only viable way to level. The hotfix addresses both these complaints.
>>339002793
>so blizzard has no real monetary incentive to make legacy servers.
Other than all the money they're going to make?
I refuse to believe Heroes of the Storm can even be said to compete with Dota 2. It's barely an ASSFAGGOTS.
>>339002225
WoD is far below the average. It added no new class or race, had less raid content than any other expansion, added fuck all to do outside raids, and the new mechanics it introduced (primarily garrisons) were purely detrimental to the game.
>>338988989
>I can confirm: They have NOT LOST THE SOURCE CODE
So basically Blizzard just revealed they were straight up lying to the fanbase about losing it.
And people cheer this?
>>339002941
The game is still fundamentally shit now. No amount of fiddling with numbers will ever change that.
>>339003048
I've never seen an actual source for Blizzard directly saying "We don't have the source code" outside of regurgitated hearsay on this board.
>>339002941
>Which is one of the biggest complaints the vanilla crowd has about the current game
Except this solves nothing. Old WoW had actual class abilities, old WoW didn't have linear questing corridors through zones.
Having leveling slowed down in modern WoW is fucking awful, you have 2 abilities from 1-40 and now you're just taking even longer waiting on 10 second cooldowns every fight.
>>339002941
Paid level boosts still exist.
Heirlooms still exist.
They haven't addressed shit.
>>339003156
It's still a positive change.
>>339003287
No, it's not. Spending longer in the games current worst state improves nothing.
>>339003287
You thinking that just shows how ignorant both you and Blizzard are about why people actually enjoy Vanilla.
>>339003287
>The questing fucking sucks now
>Classes leveling suck now with 1-2 abilities at most
>Now you'll be spending far longer dealing with this shit
>This is a positive change hurrr
They're doing it to promote selling boosts, you fucking retard.
>>339003205
then you never looked very far. The source, or at least an imgur link to the post, has been reposted dozens of times here and other places.
>hurrr i've never seen it when i browse 4chan while i take a shit so it doesn't exist
>>339002225
Except
>Burning Crusade was great
>Wrath of the Lich King was amazing
>Cataclysm was okay
>Mists of Pandaria was great
>Warlords of Draenor was awful
hrmmmmmmm
guess you're wrong
>>338992640
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>339002990
>Other than all the money they're going to make?
Source? If they even got half of the players on free realms they wouldn't be making enough extra money to necessarily make it worth their while. Not to mention there is no good time to release legacy servers because it will either interfere with people trying to progress through current content or it will detract from expansion sales. There is not a clear cut money making option here and because no one is actually threatening WoW's MMO market share there is much less incentive for Blizzard to act.
>I refuse to believe Heroes of the Storm can even be said to compete with Dota 2
You can refuse to believe whatever you want but it is usually ranked just behind Dota 2 on twitch for active viewers and it is the most popular MOBA for E-sports. But all that is beside the point, the point is the DOTA fanbase had been begging blizzard for actual support for years and blizzard only did it when valve went after the market share. The success of HOTS isn't in question.
>>339003047
Don't forget
>dumbed down every classes' mechanics to 4-5 attacks at most, and made all of them have the exact same play style
>>339003048
No one at blizzard ever said they lost the source code. That was forum rumors.
>>339003286
>Paid level boosts still exist.
>Heirlooms still exist.
Both of these are optional. You don't have to do them.
People complained about how leveling is so fast you just outlevel zones and don't get to do all the quests and you just queue for dungeons and they fixed it.
They're not going to remove heirlooms just because some people don't like them considering you don't have to use them. Everything they changed was not optional.
>>339003429
>>339003328
>Literally address one of the problems in exactly the way Nostfags propose
>DOESNT MATTER, NOW I CANT LEVEL FASTER THIS SUCKS
Just more proof you Nostfags are fucking idiots.
>>339003610
>Not to mention there is no good time to release legacy servers because it will either interfere with people trying to progress through current content or it will detract from expansion sales.
Easy, release it during the next content drought.
>it is usually ranked just behind Dota 2 on twitch for active viewers and it is the most popular MOBA for E-sports.
What the fuck
>The success of HOTS
is irrelevant, since what I'm saying is that they are completely different games that appeal to different markets.
>Heroes of the storm
>Heart of the swarm
Damn it blizzard
>>339003467
We have no plans of making pre-TBC realms. This goes against the very nature of an MMO and would be a logistical nightmare. There's no switch to flip on the realms to roll back years of patches and changes, and we don't intend to invent one so that a very small minority of players can play what we feel would be an inferior cousin of the World of Warcraft of today.
-Zarhym
While we realise there is a desire for servers running previous versions of the game, we do not have any plans to setup classic servers. The old code is designed to run on the old hardware. The old code brings with it the old data, which includes the old bugs. The natural expectation from players would be that we would fix these bugs to ensure a smooth gameplay experience (along with the need for Customer Support and other dedicated support teams for such realms).
-Tom Chilton
why seems to confirm they have the code but muh resources
>>339003853
>heirlooms don't affect other players!
>leveling content being bad doesn't matter because all nostfags want is to grind!
>paid level boosts had nothing to do with leveling becoming grindier!
(You)
>>338988989
I've never played WoW before but I might try legacy servers.
>>339000890
what makes you think that Blizzard won't just implement cash shop investments into legacy servers?
>>339003853
This is how it's always going to be. Even if they add in Legacy servers, they're going to say "blizzard missed the point" and make more excuses to shit on whatever they do. The leveling changes were specifically done for them in the same specifics they asked, b-but "modern questing" sucks, even though over half the world zones use the same quests as before Cata, and "b-b-but their's still heirlooms and paid boosts!!" - which their mention of having servers without those was also met with derision.
Whatever they do they're going to complain. Watch, when they do get Legacy servers they're gonna bitch that they have to sub for it and can't use WoW Tokens.
>>339004026
>leveling becoming grindier
>implying leveling now is anywhere near as grindy as it used to be, even without using heirlooms
Confirmed for never actually playing vanilla.
>>339004192
I played retail two weeks ago and as a level 20 shadow priest my top DPS option was to press the Shadow Word: Pain button once per second.
That was it. That was everything I had to do.
>>339003875
>Easy, release it during the next content drought.
People say they don't want to wait. The next content drought is a year away and there is active working code that can be implemented in a few weeks if they wanted to. Too much bad blood would be generated for blizzard waiting for the only good time to release.
>What the fuck
HOTS is closer to DOTA 2's popularity on twitch than DOTA 2 is to LOL. For tournaments with cash prizes (E-sports) HOTS is more popular and has bigger prizes than LoL or DOTA 2.
>they are completely different games that appeal to different markets.
They are both assfaggots remember? They appeal to the same demographic, people that like MOBAs. Blizzard didn't listen to what their fans wanted and ignored MOBAs until valve stepped in. Your insistence that DOTA 2 is somehow objectively better than HOTS is irrelevant. The industry and the vast majority of the fans feel they are the same genre. Your insistence that DOTA 2 is a better MOBA is also irrelevant because LoL called and said it has nearly 10 times the viewers consistently.
The other anons point was that blizzard never made a move until some one else did and no one is in a position to make them do that this time around. It is a valid point but likely will not be the deciding factor. Your favorite MOBA doesn't change this fact.
>>338999094
Until after 2010 or so, it was very common for Japanese developers to completely trash any code and resources for a game that was older than 5 years.
>>339004393
Leveling as a priest was suffering in vanilla. Have fun spamming wands forever.
>>339004175
You're fucking retarded, stop posting until basic comprehension becomes a skill for you.
>>339004531
THATS WHAT WAND SPECIALIZATION IS FOR MOTHER FUCKER! WOOOOO!
>>339004531
I actually enjoyed playing my shadow priest on Nost. Got up to level 31 before the alliance gankers made me give up.
Had decent DPS for solo leveling and could do healing (which I enjoyed) in dungeons.
Shadow priests aren't even ALLOWED to heal in retail.
>>339004658
Wand specialization didn't make it fun though.
>>339004731
That is subjective.
>>339004470
>For tournaments with cash prizes (E-sports) HOTS is more popular and has bigger prizes than LoL or DOTA 2.
Bullshit
>>339004795
Sure, but if you actually find sitting there auto-attacking with wands fun then I don't know what to tell you.
>>338989032
>They're currently waiting to meet with the Nostalrius team in the coming weeks to gain insight on how they managed to get their server running.
Fuck that.
Is this like Valve offering a job to the guy who leaked HL2?
>>339004895
priests could mix-up and downrank mind blast, smite, holy fire, swp, pws, and wand, on top of healing anything, they were one of the best leveling classes, and even holy could solo fine
>>339002793
>>They are jerking eachother off because they both think that blizzard acted this exact same way before with DOTA
I have no idea how Blizzard acted, but this is literal textbook behavior on how to placate the masses in any context, from corporate to political.
>>339004470
>Too much bad blood would be generated for blizzard waiting for the only good time to release.
I don't think anybody is expecting to get legacy servers in the next 3 months. Best case is before the end of the year. I fully expect it to be AT LEAST six months after Legion.
>HOTS is closer to DOTA 2's popularity on twitch than DOTA 2 is to LOL. For tournaments with cash prizes (E-sports) HOTS is more popular and has bigger prizes than LoL or DOTA 2.
God what the fuck
>They appeal to the same demographic, people that like MOBAs.
HOTS has team-wide XP bars and no items. It's pandering to a much more casual market.
>Your insistence that DOTA 2 is somehow objectively better than HOTS
You're putting words in my mouth, since I haven't said that. Hell, I'm not even a Dota player.
>Your insistence that DOTA 2 is a better MOBA
Another thing I haven't said.
Are you just making up things to get mad about?
>Your favorite MOBA
Is SMITE, which has nothing to do with this conversation.
HOTS takes a completely different approach to the ASSFAGGOTS genre and ends up being completely unlike any of the other major players.
>>339004826
Prove your claim. Heroes of the dorm even shuts down twitch with how many people watch it. DOTA 2 barely spikes.
DOTA 2 technically has a bigger prize pool but that is because they tie in a % of microtransactions, where as all the other big names simply put up their own money as the prize.
>>339004026
Vanilla leveling was grindier.
>heirlooms don't affect other players!
They do not affect your leveling experience in anyway.
>>339004963
No it would be like giving a job to a guy who made a really popular Halflife mod...which they did...several times.
>>339004612
>screams and calls me a retard without addressing anything said
>even dares to bring up "basic comprehension" in the same sentence
Take a look at your post, your childish response, and realize, this is why you're the screeching minority that gets made fun of.
>>339005175
>Prove your claim. Heroes of the dorm even shuts down twitch with how many people watch it.
Or because Blizzard got asshurt over people saying nigger in the chat.
>>339005175
>HoTs even shuts down twitch with how many people watch it.
BULL FUCKING SHIT.
>>339004393
Yes, and two days ago they added hotpatches to address leveling concerns.
As far as class abilities you're going to have to wait till pre-patch when they're giving more abilities to lower levels.
>>338988989
Nobody gives a fuck about Warcraft, so vanilla servers are their only option for relevancy. The movie is going to bomb, Legion is going to bomb, Blizzard is not only out of options, they are running out of time.
>>339005265
There's a difference between making a mod and violating copyright.
>>339005175
>>339004470
>For tournaments with cash prizes (E-sports) HOTS is more popular and has bigger prizes than LoL or DOTA 2.
idk about prize pools since they're irrelevant in major esports, but HotS is way, way less popular than the other assfaggots.
>>339005345
He's talking out his ass.
>>339005189
It wasn't grindier than pressing the same button exactly once a second with no variation or even thought, because it's an instant-cast spell so you can run around like a retard while you do it.
>They do not affect your leveling experience in anyway.
Because I never need to group with other players, right?
Had a level 15 monk tank a level 21 elite. Could've soloed it, too.
FUCK YOU VANILLA NORMIES WHO DONT UNDERSTAND HOW GREAT BC IS RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>339002170
To be fair, tacking on races and classes is pretty lame if there's no reason for it. See Draenei, Worgen, and Goblins. Blood Elves and DKs and even pandas made sense. The rest were shitty retcons or a fun starting zone.
It would be nice if they added some more fucking skins, though, like brown orcs or earthen. Plenty of subraces in the game that would be fun to run around as.
>>339006220
I don't think anyone asked for playable worgen, not even the werewolf roleplayers, but goblins were pretty in-demand when I played during TBC and Wrath, and they make a lot more sense as a playable Horde race than the blood elves did, since they actually used to be part of the Horde.
>>339006220
for classes that's true since blizzard can't stop making agi leather notdruids, but they could at least make one new race with a small starting area
>>339005695
It's not like EVERYONE is clamoring for Vanilla and nothing but. A lot of people want progression servers, which would actually be fucking really easy to implement on Blizzard's end if people were willing to accept cataclysm's 1-60 experience.
Cataclysm 1-60 is super meme garbage though. Hopefully we get the vanilla world back, along with a few progression servers that get staggered once a year.
>>339005695
I am fairly sure most people who love vanilla do like BC. it was the only great expansion, and it didnt change much from vanilla, more just extended it. Aside from flying, BC was "more of the same" which was okay because thats what we wanted. They didnt gut talents, they didnt completely redesign every class, they didnt shit on too many core mechanics, and they didnt dumb down the raids.
>>339006667
What changed in Cata? When I tried retail I made a belf and the belf zones seem unchanged.
I know the Barrens got split up etc. but what is actually different about the 1-60 experience?
>>339006892
BElf starting zone, as well as Draenei and Outland, were unchanged because they weren't base vanilla content. EK and Kalimdor were fucked on hard by the Cataclysm. For an extreme example, 1k Needles is literally underwater now.
>>339006417
Goblins and Worgen would have been fine if they had a racial story, but they don't. You get out of their starting area and it's "fuck you, no resolution". It's not do bad for goblins, because being mercenary fucks is right up their alley, but Gilneas got a battleground and a token quest here and there, and that's it.
Maybe I'm just a plot whore, but I really wish they'd plan arcs out instead of pulling the constant "met a blood elf asshole in Outland, Prince Kael'thas and I are now mortal enemies."
>>338991918
>snake
>with feet
What the fuck is this shit
>>339007169
As far as I remember, the story for Gilneas is followed up by Undead questing in Silverpine, though that's not the Worgen themselves.
>>338988989
is this a good time to start WoW?
>>339007151
Yeah, I know about that, and I know the Barrens is two zones now, and I know Orgrimmar (and presumably Stormwind) got redesigned, but I don't think I ever played any Cata quests. I went to Silithus on my mid-50s character and that didn't seem like it had been redesigned, but I guess my memory of it pre-Cata is pretty vague.
>>339007169
I read the Worgen backstory and couldn't believe how terrible it was.
Draenei were a good choice for TBC imo since the game was set on Draenor, and I don't think the retcon was too big, though I can't quite remember what it was; Blizzard also said it was accidental.
But the Worgen retcon was pants-on-head retarded, doesn't make a damn lick of sense, and was obviously intentional.
>>339007448
>(and presumably Stormwind)
"""""""""Redesigned"""""""""""
>>339007408
I'd argue to wait around a month or so more, but it's not a -bad- time to start. 2 months should give you ample time to level a class you like to max and prepare for Legion.
>>338995115
>brand new game shilled and marketed on /v/ as a tf2 clone is more popular than something that has had 100k max ever
you are a genius
>>339007646
I meant with vanilla servers
I don't want to have to spend $100 on expansions and feel forced to play through all of it
i still dont understand why people dont want vanilla servers
just dont play on them if you dont like vanilla
>>339006892
The human starting zones used to be about the Defias, Stormwind mismanaging the kingdom due to Onyxia politicking the place up, and the player working to unravel what's going on. Now it's a shitty CSI/A-team meme fest. For levels 10-20-ish if you try and quest it.
Some areas it's not so bad. A few changes here and there. Others were gutted to slap you in the face with "Catacysm! And Deathwing!", which would be sort of OK if cataclysm leveling went 1-85. It doesn't though. It's 1-60, doing the time warp again from 60-80, and the "oh yeah, Deathwing" from 80-85. Makes for a real incoherent leveling process, if that's your thing. Wouldn't be an issue if they could the world current at all times, but you create an orc and Tony Jay voice tells you Garrosh is Warchief, the lich king is defeated, etc.
>>338990880
INCREASINGLY NERVOUS BLIZZKEK
