What's the worst map in Overwatch and why is it Route 66
>>338972162
that's a funny way of saying hanamura
>>338972567
This or Ilios, I wish you could veto some maps to never play them, like in SC2.
>>338972718
>Llios bad
Spot the shitter I love that map as Genji
>>338972162
I'd really have to say Hollywood.
Playing that map is headache inducing if you're a melee character due to how much shit is scattered around everywhere.
>>338972858
I can agree with this, Hollywood and route 66 and my least favorite playing
>>338973351
>have to attack on route 66
>defenders are two torbs bastions mercy and window
The fuck are you even suppose to do?
>>338972162
What's wrong with it? hanamura and Snowy city place are way worse
>>338972162
pic related
>>338973745
This is the shit I despise. Every single time we need to attack that point we get BTFO 9/10 times. Last time we did this map it was two torjborns and bastion mowing us down senseless.
>>338973693
I hope you don't mind Nepal because Nepal is the best.
All of them.
>>338973745
this for sure, it's overly defender sided on the last point.
Also Ilios and Hollywood best, although ruins is super plain, but well and lighthouse are some of the best maps.
>>338973745
>Now entering Anubis
>Attacking team
Why is route 66 a thing? It hasn't been a real road for 50 years, and even back then it was redundant.
>>338973745
>only two CP maps
>one is shitty Anubis
>the other is pandering to weebs
Hanamura and Anubis on attack. Espec Hanamura.
>>338972162
Bastion detected
>>338974243
There is CP on every map but gelbrater though
>>338972162
Route 66 isn't bad at all. Hanamura's designer can go get raped to death by elephants though.
>>338974243
The game mode called "Assault" of which Anubis is part of is literally the worst game mode, we need less of it, not more.
>>338974123
The first half is pretty fair and reasonable, but everything goes FUBAR once the assault on point B starts.
>>338974341
Dorado doesn't either.
But yeah I hate those maps, CP + push cart are all right. Attacker/defender isn't that great.
King of the hill is great though. They really need more modes.
>>338974386
>Capture point A
>Welcome to point B, AKA Torbjor's turret terranium
Worst map is King's Row and you know it.
>>338974459
>fair and reasonable
>a choke with no alternate paths around
>>338974573
>He doesn't play Genji on kings row
Come on now almost as good as Illos
Anubis and lijiang tower are the worst maps
Dorado is the shittiest. Temple sucks too.
>>338974573
King;s row is great except for that fucking last payload checkpoint
>>338974243
There's also volskya.
And king of the hill is basically cp where you take turns.
I'm glad we can at least all agree that Lijang Tower is the best.
>>338972162
Is this real or am i just being meme'd on?, this really looks like Cars
>>338974858
Anyone who hates Lijang tower is a huge faggot.
>>338974697
I actually like the last point, the point first point is almost impossible to defend though.
Also why do the fucking doors close on payload maps after you get past a point?
>>338974573
I love king kongs row though, the alley ways are good for hanzo
>>338972162
>mfw Pharah main
Best map
>>338974858
I hated it at first but it has grown on me, probably 3rd favorite
>>338972567
Playing Mei on hanamura and blocking your teammates constantly when they respawn is a lot of fun actually.
>>338974931
To prevent the cart from going all the way ass backwards.
>>338974858
>>338974915
Reminder that when you support Lijiang Tower you're supporting COMMUNISM.
>>338974548
Point B isn't bad, there are ways around the choke point, 4 ways around it in fact.
Point A is the shit one, only 1 way around the choke point but it's well within sight of the chokepoint so turrets and bastions will still get you if you try to go through it. The Russian map can be pretty bad like that too, but you can rush into a side passage after passing the choke and maybe survive.
Annubis is like that too..a bad choke but there is a sidepassage you can use to flank if you can survive like half a second running through the chokepoint. I've gone up it and destroyed turrets, bastions, snipers all on that mid ledge through the side passage, allowing my team to break the choke and push.
Hanamura though.. Fuck that map. First off, not everyone can get through the "side passage".
Half the characters who can are defense characters rather than assault (junkrat, hanzo, widowmaker).. basically leaving Pharah and Genji... maybe D.Va and Winston? I don't know I haven't tried them on it.
But 9/10 they will have a turret set up to where it can watch both that window and the choke simultaneously and symmetra will have a car wash there.
So you're essentially forced to try and push through the choke as a team while getting mowed down by bastions and turrets.
>>338975161
kek sounds like a salty faggot got thrown off the tower too many times
>>338974934
>>338974631
>meme champion mains defend kings row
thanks for proving my point
So are there any fun gamemodes in the full release of Overwatch?
And are there any new maps?
>>338975161
Im not going to take your word when you support shit like Ranma
What is your sensitivity set to /v/? I feel like the default is too low but I'm struggling to find a good setting
>>338975631
but they don't say memes?
>>338973745
100 times this
attacking this shit is hell
>>338975703
beta is full release
I love route 66
>>338975938
It's at 7, this number is obviously completely irrelevant without knowing the mouse's DPI though.
>>338975631
King's Row is nothing compared to Hanamura.
The only thing I dislike about King's Row is how run down it looks.
>London
Run down as shit
>Russia
Run down as shit with a factory making mechs
>Hollywood
I guess it's a desert movie set but it's not all that glamorous
>Numbani
Utopian Paradise, Clean and pristine.
Really.
A city in Africa is the most peaceful and clean location we visit.
Real life Africa is complete shit. Wish I saved that webm of the Chinese dude talking about how shit niggers are letting all the infrastructure white men built during colonial periods falling apart while the nigger just looks ashamed.
>>338972857
>as Genji
Gee no shit you love that map
>>338974386
>Route 66 isn't bad at all
I don't know, something rubs me the wrong way with it
>>338976772
I like it but maybe that's because my last two games were on defense shutting down the entire thing in phase 1.
>>338972162
>Route 66 final point
>Sentry on the moving platforms
>Widowmaker at the end if the hall
>Junkrat spamming all 2 of the viable entrances with traps and bombs
>Bastion in his little nook by the final point
Seriously, attacking the last point is like pulling teeth. It also kneecaps some hero's like Pharaih and Winston because of the roof and architecture. And those fucking platform sentries.....
I can't decide between Napal or Hanamura(On Attack) as the worst.
>>338976772
There's objects in the way blocking line of fire from turrets and bastions at the start, there's tunnels and side passages so you never feel completely shut down as attack
What's so bad about Hanamura is how unbalanced it is in defense's favor.
>>338973745
>B
>Okay, front is too busy, maybe I can go the other ways.
>right only accessible to mobiles
>land right in front of the spawn or in the trench anyways
>left
>go in the trench or go left to the cave
>which leads either to the trench or right on B, via narrow as shit doorway
That's not Hanamura or Temple of Anubis
>>338975703The beta was the full game essentially.
>>338976927
I don't understand how Nepal is even a contender for worst map (worst 3 maps really)
I find all 9 of the KotH maps fun and balanced for both sides. I also like that most of them have pitfalls that can be used by people with knockbacks.
>>338977221
Fuck Hanamura.
A Phase will always end in 15 seconds. Def or Attack. It's no use.
>>338972162
Gibraltar.
I like payload maps the least and it feels like I get Gibraltar once every four games.
>>338976341
Think of it like this.
They actually had to create an imaginary modern nigger city for Africa, because in reality they have none.
>>338976341
>>338977616
>get butthurt because african city in the future is nice
This is what we call an "agenda", kids.
>>338977616
my take is that the only possible explanation is that the Omnics built the entire city for them and do all the labor in the city. The Africans just live and party in relative peace because they're in a society where no nigger has to work and they're all sustained through generous gibsmedat due to the robots not really needing money.
In real life, Africa is one of the most war torn regions in the world, second only to the Middle East, due to clashes between Islam and Christianity, and scarcity of resources. The Rwandan genocide was literally due to a shortage of arable land, one tribe started clearing the forest where another tribe lived in order to create more farmland. They started fighting, fast forward, 70% of one tribe is dead.
Poverty and religious differences just breed war like crazy.
So I guess Numbani is a future where Omnics take care of all the resource and material needs, and labor, and everyone converted to Zen Buddhism to end the war between religions.
>>338975938
20ish. It was 30, but, after realizing it wasn't just lack of practice that was making my aim shit I turned it down and things improved a bit.
May try 15, which I think is what it started on...but I still want to be able to turn.
>>338973745
This map is super easy. Flank left as any character that can fly/wall scale and in the room with the health pack fly up into pic related. Tell your team to charge as soon as you start capping the point since everyone and their mother on the enemy team will rush you. Webm related.
The only hard map to play is Volskaya Industries. You can flank left as either lucio genji phara and d.va near the benches and health kit on the left side past the attack spawn but the objective is in such an open area you'll get fucked easily if you don't have people assisting you.
Serious question though; when the fuck are they gonna nerf Mei? She's way to good in 1v1 encounters and her ice spray can catch up with a boosting D.Va and slow her down. And she has WAY to much health considering she can self heal and become invuln to damage such as D.Va's nuke.
they're all fucking garbage
>>338972162
Hanamura and Gibraltar are worse
Those fucking last points are horrendous
All the KOTH maps are shit.
>>338973458
pharah poke or if you can't into positioning junkrat spam, and have your tracer run in and blow up mercy before you push, or make her panic and waste her ult
>>338980457
pretty much t b h
>>338974459
I just played a game where we held the first point for whole match.
Whole match and they just didn't figure out what to do to Reinhardt + Bastion combo on the chokepoint.
>>338974542
I wonder if the game's balance could work with multiple simultaneous objectives.
best map coming through
>>338972162
It's Hollywood
Numbani is bad too
King's Row, just because I'm sick of seeing it
Hanamura, Dorado, and route 66 are fucking SHIT
>>338972162
I hate Volskaya.
And maybe the last point on Anubi...
>lliois
>anubis
>space station
>>338972567
attacking on hanamura is tortue, defending it is piss easy
worst stage though is li juang towers
>>338973745
Last time I played this map we steamrolled the second point and capped it within a minute of it becoming active
>mfw I got the double cap achievement
Worst map is obviously any map with mei on the opposing side
>>338973745
I never have any issues attacking this one, but never defending either
>people who complain about hanamura and anubis because they're "unbalanced"
>blizzard openly states that they're statistically some of the best balanced maps in the game outside of the lowest skill brackets
You're shit and have shit opinions.
>>338972718
>Roadhog
>Pull everyone into the pit
>fuck one
>marry one
>kill one
>be best friends with one
The only map I absolutely despise is Lijang Tower. That fucking tower needs to be hit by an airplane.
Blizzard really loves chokepoints don't they?
>>338982157
Anubis is more debateable but Hanamura isn't
>Trusting Blizzard to know what they're saying
>After they said 20 tick is intentional for the "feel"
They want to go for total and utter frustration so of course Hanamura is the best map in their opinion. Fuck off.
>>338982294
Fuck mei
marry Dva
kill widow
be friends with mercy
Give Zarya a haircut
>>338982294
>fuck Mercy
>Marry Mei
>Kill Zarya
>Be best friends with D.va
>>338982294
Fuck Pharah
Marry Mei
Kill Widowmaker
Be friends with Tracer
>>338982435
>gee how do we get these two teams to fight eachother instead of spreading out
>oh lets just make a bunch of choke points, it worked for tf2 amiright
Ilios > Temple of Anubis > Hollywood > Dorado > Nepal > Numbani > Hanamura > King's Row > Lijiang Tower > Route 66 > Volskaya Industries > Watchpoint Gilbraltar
>nearly every character has an I Win button that kills everything in sight regardless of player skill
>not just walking in and pressing it
come on how do you even lose when you have i win git gud scrubs
>>338981937
That pic is pretty hot. I hope there's more art of the OTP of overwatch. Little mexican girl X da soldier
>>338982294
Fuck Amélie
Marry Angela
Kill Aleksandra
Beriend Lena
>>338982294
Fuck D.Va
Marry Mercy
Kill Zarya
Befriend Tracer
>>338974542
they need TC_hydro
>>338982531
Hanamura is fucking great though.
It's not hard to push on it at all if you're vaguely co-ordinated.
The huge open area with little cover unless they're really far forward or too far back heavily favors the offense.
>>338983210
>The wall
Nah mate.
It's way too easy for one cheese strat and a half competent team to completely shut everyone out of A because of that wall having only two entry points, of one is only accessible by mobile characters.
Which costumes actually change voice lines?
So far the only ones I know of are all of Mercy's legendaries, but she can't be the only one
>>338983383
Hanzo's wolf outfit apparently changes his ulti voice line to be something about wolves instead of dragons.
>>338983379
>complaining about the fucking wall
>not on the point
>point has cover from the chokepoint
There are shitloads of ways to get through chokepoints in this game, this is only a problem if you're pubbing with shitters who are afraid of every pushing.
>There are people who actually deny that Bastion is broken
>>338983783
>There are shitters with like two hours played thinking their opinion matters
>>338983383
Hanzo
>>338983383
Does Genji's Nomad skin change his lines at all or his weapons? (His shurikens and his two swords?)
>>338973745
To all the people that don't seem to know, they removed the wall on the left flank, so any character can walk through there now.
If I see an enemy Reinhardt with his shield out and alone should I shoot it to try and break it or is that just a waste?
>>338983917
both changes his weapons, at least the shurikens. I think sword too since the scabbards are different.
>>338983730
>There are shitloads of ways to get through chokepoints in this game
And yet, there are still a handful of shitty maps
>>338983783
Yeah man it's so hard to not stand in front of a turret. Nerf him!
>>338984096
Unless you're Bastion, probably not. If it's showing cracks absolutely, otherwise be careful because you might end up with no ammo loaded when a real threat shows up.
>>338983730
No the problem is more like how there's no ubercharge like in TF2.
Y'know, the quintessential solution to getting through a chokepoint.
Not hoping the only people who die getting through aren't the medic with an ult on standby, and giving up completely if the medic does go down first.
In this game, the closest to an uber is Winston's Primal Rage and MEI CAN FUCKING FREEZE IT WITH LMB.
Alternatively Zeya with her ult but still.
>>338984096
It depends who you are
Like if you're Genji, GG.
>>338984826
>there's no ubercharge
Zenyatta's ult is a huge aoe quickfix uber and turns him into a bullet shield
....which is better
>>338984096
God I see this a lot. Lone wolf people are annoying. And I hate when they go as close to spawn as possible just to be fuck faces.
Tracers and Reinhardts do this the most often in my experience.
>>338973745
There's an egypt map?
>>338984826
Zenyatta's ult is kind of an uber charge, he gets invuln and everyone gets massive healing.
>>338984978
If you can sit around waiting to get that ult up before you break through, an enemy Mei can undo all of you with hers.
Alternatively if there's not that much co-ordination going on Zenyatta's team won't be staying in the glowing radius and get mowed anyway.
>>338984096
They can easily regenerate their shield, so it's probably not worth it.
>>338984096
>>338984983
>tryhard Rein decides to split from his team
>just runs around with the shield up
>tries to wall pin, just move out the way
>puts the shield back up and just snail walks towards you thinking you're going to be retarded enough to stand there and let him get close enough to melee you.
>eventually just say fuck it and go meet up with your team at the objective, smiling because it's gonna be 5 v 6 because mr tryhard is just gonna continue to wait near spawn to try and melee people and throw up the shield and come towards you
>Tfw Bastion has become my go-to pubbie bunker buster on Hanamura point B
Feels odd. If you time your appearance with your teams push and the enemy team doesn't instantly switch gears/even notice you when you pop up on the flank, you can wipe the point clean in seconds.
Even if I die, pubbie teams aren't coordinated enough to turn mass fire to me while the rest of my team is charging the point before I've BRRRT'd down half of them, and then the game is almost always won at that point. Of course, if you have a shit team that just trickles all game, nothing can win you that point.
>>338985275
Imagine that. There are counters in this game and there's not a universal "you win now" button. And you're telling me that you can't win without coordination? Get da FUCK outta 'ere!
>>338972162
That's not any KotH map
![tracer__n__widowmaker_by_lonefirewarrior-d9k8qub[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/mFojGKr.jpg "tracer n widowmaker by lonefirewarrior-d9k8qub[1]")
Whos the most antifun character in the game and why is it Widowmaker?
>>338985074
Yeah, I didn't see Gibraltar for the first 2 days of Release, even though I knew it existed.
>>338985464
>Counters to breaking through a chokepoint on Blizzard's chokepoint oriented map design
k
Would have preferred that works on the point but then Mei can do whatever the fuck she wants with objectives thanks to freezing for whatever loving fuck reason she can even though it's equivalent to pushing a payload, capturing a point or carrying a flag in TF2 while uber is up.
>>338985275
If you can sit around healing the one person who doesn't charge off to their death or getting sniped yourself, an enemy pyro can undo all of you with an airblast.
Alternatively if there's not much co-ordination going on Medic's team won't charge in behind the uber and the enemy team will just set back up again anyway.
>>338984983
>play Mercy
>as soon as Reinhardt knows you're behind him he lunges in to a full team, gets his shit pushed and spams needs healing
like pottery
>>338985625
Also it's pretty stupid they don't have a CTF mode.
If TF2 and tribes can have it then Overwatch certainly can
>>338985625
>there's no counter to a medic uber
lol
>>338985554
All snipers are worthless.
>>338985554
Because you have an enemy in sight and on your way to flank them but then a widowmaker point and clicks on your face
Posting best map
>Funky African beats
>No rediculous choke points, but also not too open
>CP AND Payload
>Favours neither team
>Getting 4+ gold medals as a support
It's becoming increasingly clear why I'm losing some of these games.
>>338985791
>reading comprehension
>>338985659
>proof reading
Try thinking for a little bit longer champs.
>>338985554
Widow. She's a must versus good players.
Her Ult means "no fun allowed ganks."
She can instantly kill 2 of the deadliest characters in the game, Tracer and Zen, with a single bodyshot fully charges, ANY 200 HP or less character, 75% of the cast, with a single headshot, has an exceptionally fast escape, Venom Mine for a free 75 damage, a great SMG if you get close, and can do her job at being the best the farthest from the rest of the team, so you can't reach her remotely easily.
>>338985753
CTF would be a great addition, but it would probably be "Pharah: the game"
>>338985753
Can't speak for Tribes but TF2 CTF is absolute garbage.
It's obvious the game is taking notes from TF2 like getting Payload but another note TF2 proved is that class based games with defensive centric classes make CTF no fun.
>>338985726
>play Reinhardt.
>See Soldier 69 get behind the shield, then walks forward until he in front of the shield and fights from there.
>And I mean dies, not fights.
>>338972567
This. The first point is such a kill box against any remotely coordinated team.
>>338985907
It's okay, but snipers get a lot of playing room there. Not as much as they do on watch point Gibraltar though.
>>338985726
>playing Reinhardt,
>Mercy comes up and heals you while your health is full
this isn't bloody TF2 go be useful
>Great Tier
Ilios
Route 66
Watchpoint: Gibraltar
Dorado
>Pretty Fun Tier
Hanamura
Lijiang Tower
Nepal
>Okay Tier
King's Row
Hollywood
Numbani
>Legitimately Imbalanced Tier
Temple of Anubis
>Just Plain Bad Tier
Volskaya Industries
Prove me wrong.
Protip:It's mostly subjective.
>>338985937
Don't you have a conga line or a trade server to get back to?
>>338985753
Devs made a decent point that 2 flag CTF would be hard to balance.
I mean, what do you do with characters like Tracer or Mei if they grabbed the flag? You can't just turn their abilities off or make them move slower, especially not Tracer.
>>338985753
They had CTF but it was scrapped because it was "Pick Tracer or lose"
>>338985981
>Pharah
>When Genji, Junkrat, and Widow have far more horizontal mobility
The map would have to be a literal tower.
>>338985753
CTF is shit in TF2 and pretty much shit in any game.
In games where you can go fast you can almost have fun with it, but it's all about running fast from point A to point B and occasionally shooting people, the actual taking and delivering flags just sucks.
>>338986026
that shit drives me mad
stay behind the giant blue wall you stupid fucks
>>338986103
Non-sequitur. Cute.
>>338982294
Fuck Pharah
Marry Widow
Kill Symmetra
best friend with Meihave an affair with and cheat on Widow
>>338986026
As Mercy, a good Reinhardt or DVA is a God send
keep up the good fight my man
>>338985907
The second corner can be a brutal choke point. I've won games holding that point down, and I've lost games never being able to effectively break through it.
>>338986110
>You can't just turn their abilities off or make them move slower, especially not Tracer.
That's exactly what they did in tf2.
You can't carry the intel if you're bonked or something. Having limited mobility with the flag isn't that out there.
>>338986101
>Volskaya
Put a Bastion/Torb turret on the moving platforms
Watch kills stack up.
>>338986132
Why not just literally ban her and Genji there? The game meta is changing characters all the time anyway so maining is stupid
>>338986246no you're cute
>>338986110
Yes. Yes you could actually.
Like how other games have done it just fine.
Don't fucking drink Blizzard's kool-aid, they obviously don't know shit.
>>338972162
I hate dorado
I'm tired of being paired up with awful players with no clue what they're doing
Are any euro people willing to team up for a while?
post ID or whatever blizz use for groupmaking
looks like tf2 map desu
>>338972718
Ilios is my favourite. I find all the control maps to be balanced on account of their symmetry.
Ilios has loads of opportunities for environmental kills and allows you to play more creatively.
>>338986242
I think some people are confused and don't realize you can shoot through friendly Reinhardt shields. I mean, I have no other excuse to come up for these people.
>>338986373
>>338979876
DO THIS YOU FAGGOTS.
>>338986373
I keep trying to go Zenyatta as a secondary support but it always makes the other guy switch off.
>>338986256
>cheating on someone literally named Widowmaker
you're dead my man
>>338986262
I only play Reinhardt occasionally as he is slow and boring as fuck and I usually end up waking alone next to the payload for most of the time.
>>338986270
And even then CTF in TF2 sucks. It's extremly stalmatey and has long moments of alot of nothing being achieved. The only time CTF is semi-decent in TF2 is one of those attack.defend one flag maps like HAARP and even then they're not that great.
>>338986262
>tfw someone complements your Reinhardt playing after a game
>>338982294
Can't I just kill Mei 4 times?
>>338974243
There's 3 of each mate, 12 in total:
CP:
> Anubis
> Hanamura
> Volskya
PL:
> Route 66
> Gibraltar
> Dorado
Hybird:
King's Row
Nubani
Hollywood
KoTH:
>Ilios
>Nepal
>Liyang
>>338982294
Fuck Widowmaker, marry Pharah, befriend Mercy, kill Zarya.
>>338982294
Fuck Widow
Marry Mercy
Kill Zarya
Befriend D.VA
>>338977552
Gibraltar is complete bullshit if the defending team knows what they're doing. I have no idea why the exit of the attacking side has a huge fucking building parallel to it with at least eight different windows to peak and hide out of.
>>338974602
Wouldn't be much of a choke point if it did.
>>338986583
But that's the joke, I cheat on my murderous wife.
It's okay, Mei will just freeze Widow.
>>338986583
kek
>>338986626
Reinhardt is a lot of fun once you get gud at using all his abilities and not just RMB, but sometimes the situation requires you to do nothing but RMB so it can be a bit boring.
>>338986641
I think a robot-ctf thing would be pretty good, or whatever it's called.
They already have "Capture a point and then payload", the robot destruction thing would be good
>>338985275
>Medic
>Heals, becomes invincible with a teammate
>Mercy
>Heals, Buffs, Revives dead team
>Zenyatta
>heals, turns tanks into paper, Giga heals in an aoe
>Lucio
>Speeds everyone up, Heals everyone near him, nearly doubles everyone health nearby with shields
Nah. I played over 2000 hours of tf2 but even I have to agree that the supports in overwatch are not only more fun but provide more solutions to singular problems. You just need teammates that aren't autismus maximus. And those players exist in both games.
>>338986641
Apart from CTF in TF2 being one of the most popular maps for the community, before the community got so shit they only TDM.
Competitive is not a good indicator because just like Overwatch it's not actually a solid game at the core for that. There's a slim possibility that might change for TF2 soon with an update, but it's only confirmation they're working on anything period right now.
>>338986806
The thing is, I only play him as a babysitter for payloads. In other situations if I play tank I prefer other ones.
>>338972858
I fucking hate Hollywood.
I want hang myself every time I get it, especially attacking.
>>338986649
>healing a Reinhardt while he hulk smashes the shit out of a tracer
best feel
>>338982294
Fuck Pharah
Marry Mercy
Kill Mei
Best friends with Tracer
>>338982294
Fuck Widow
Marry Mercy
Kill Zarya
Be friends with Mei
>>338986815
>A MOBA game mode
Pls no.
At most, a "Siege" mode. Defend gets a fortress and in-match points to spend on various defenses. Attack gets in-match points to spend on siege machines and the like to break in and complete an objective, probably a capture point or destroy a machine.
>>338983783
He's only broken on koth maps when he and a reinhart sit in the corner and ass blast anyone that thinks of stepping on the point
>>338986815
Maybe. I can't tell if Special Delivery is inherently bad as a game mode or it just had the burden of being tested in a bad map and Valve gave up out of the gate.
>>338972567
hanamura is definitly by far the worst map.
I actually came here specifically to say this. I like all the other maps. The more cover, the better the map. Hanamura is just a bullshit gigantic suicide death corridor on that last area.
>>338987031
The best thing is when the enemy Reinhardt tries to take yours on in a hammer fight but you heal him so he wins and the other team is now without their retarded tank.
KotH > Other modes. With that in mind:
Ilios = Nepal > Lijiang tower (loses points for that retarded indoors one) > Numbani > Dorado > Gibraltar > King's Row > Route 66 > Volsyka > Anubis > Hollywood >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hanamura
>>338987075
>A moba game mode
Where in the world did you get that from.
It's a mode in tf2. You stand on a point and collect intel, then you bring it back to your base.
>>338987192
Special delivery was mostly just valve giving up, like most of their new game modes
>>338987268
I agree.
>>338987203
It has 3 main avenues of approach (not including the basement or alternate routes in and out of each corridor).
1) Main Door, which I assume you mean the Death Corridor.
2) Left door via boosting, grappling, blink across etc.
3) Right door via the ramp near the pagoda. Brings you out so you can climb up to the top floor.
>>338987305
Not him, but it does kinda sound like you're talking about creeps with the robot destruction thing.
At any rate, I do want a CTF mode as well.
>>338987236
>it's an another Mercy/Reinhardt vs. Mercy/Reinhardt episode
I've gotten in the habit of pulling out my little turd pistol and killing the other Mercy
>>338987412
I know about all those other paths they just are of little consequence.
there has to be heroic pushers down the main path until the other paths can actually be utilized properly.
it's just too open. I guess it's fine to have a map like that but I have to order my Bug teammates around or queue with friends.
Fuck Widow
Marry D.va
Kill Mei
Best friends with Pharra
>>338987305
The sad thing is Mannpower, the one new game-mode they were pushing for, ended up sucking.
I hope they go back to Special Delivery one day or maybe try out Player Destruction.
>>338972857
what is your main and why is it pic related
>>338987570
meant to reply to >>338976382
>>338987521
Oh yea, I can kind of see that.
I was just trying to remember the official name for the mode, and I think it's robot destruction.
>>338987305
What the first Anon said, I wasn't thinking of Special Delivery at all, yeah, that'd be interesting.
Or a joke Game Mode for a weekly brawl: put both teams on a basketball court, damage turned off, score the most baskets/soccer goals
>>338982294
>fuck
Widow
>marry
Hana
>kill
D E S I G N A T E D
>friend
Lena
>Play Mercy
>Everybody focuses me
>Die so I can't resurrect teammates
>Enemy Mercy resurrects everyone all the time because nobody focuses her dumb ass
Apparently Lucio is the only support I can play. And even then I still suck as him.
>>338987412
Point B isn't even the issue. It's point A. There only one path for anyone that can't walk climb, fly, blink ect. And even then it's right next to the main path and can be easily guarded.
>>338987568
Mannpower was fun for a while until they nerfed all the fun things into the ground.
>>338987268
Swap Route 66 and Hollywood as well as Dorada with Numbani and you basically have my opinion
>>338987705
>sucking as lucio
fucking how mate he doesn't even do anything
>>338987705
I see numbers on some lucio players on the speed/health bar, I don't really know what those are for.
>>338986815
>robot-ctf thing
will it have nipples?
>>338987705
gotta learn to be a little bitch man
hide around walls and use your sanic lock on dash all the time
Also, Mercy's pistol isn't half bad
>>338987836
Those numbers are how many teammates your music is effecting
>>338987656
I don't know. I stopped playing before the robot update. I do know that capture the intelligence is totally different thing though. Mayhap the added a spin on it in the update but I'm not familiar with that version if so.
>>338987717
I agree with you there. Although I guess the door on your immediate right is a viable entry way.
However, the person I was replying to was referring to B which I didn't think was a problem either.
What's the best map and why is it greece?
>>338987807
I try and rapidly swap between speed and healing for offense and defense and I go max speed to try and get behind people and push them towards my team mates. But I can't aim his gun for shit, it's worse than the shurikens.
It's accurate, but that just makes it all the more frustrating to miss with.
>>338987807
I don't know about that anon, but half of the time when I play Lucio and try to be nice good healer and my team treats me like a nigger and keeps running away from me when I try to help.
>>338972162
I hate numbani
>>338987916
The robot update was mvm, which was years before robot destruction.
What happens is there's an intel where an intel would normally be (more or less) but instead of grabbing it and running, you have to sit there / cap it to build up the points on it, and then you have to bring it back like an intelligence to get the points.
>>338972162
could it be that blizz uses overwatch to build a brand before they are going to release Titan after all as the no king of MMOs?
>>338986349
Clearly. Overwatch is total crap. No one even plays it
>>338987987
Unless there is no enemies around, or you out number them greatly you always want to be in healing and keep the amp for when shit gets real. His speed buff also effects the payload but not that much. now this >>338988031 is a legitment problem and can only be solved by telling your team mates to stay near you.
>>338987962
It's greece because of all the sweet enviromental kills you can rack up as Lucio.
>TFW you push someone into the pit.
>TFW You push them from the balcony into the sea.
>>338987987
Just pre-fire like a mother and let people run into your shots. Only use speed to get back into the fight. If you're playing a map with fall hazards then don't forget to blast people off the map.
>>338988163
I just quick speed boost and go back to healing when I catch up with them.
The quick speed/heal thing is something I'm attempting to master instead of just sitting with healing.
>Payload
>Both teams are fuck knows where
>Just me as Lucio and the enemy Lucio on the payload
>Trying to kill each other with our fart guns but we just heal the damage back
Lilijiang Towers or whatever easily. Goddamn I hate that map.
>>338988296
Sitting in healing is almost always better then speed buff UNLESS it's payload.
>>338988115
Ah I see. I suppose that's meant to reward tankier characters to cap it. I'd like that I think.
>>338988302
I don't really understand the fart gun. I always seem to do nothing with it.
>>338988451
Speed buff is good for escapes and chasing though.
>>338988115
>TF2 Space update has been hinted at by Valve three years ago
>rd_Ateriod has been in beta for two years
>The last map update was one year ago
I want everyone to take a minute of their time to think about this
>>338988506
The first version of asteroid was amazing.
The second one was dog shit, literally worse than 2fort.
The third one was ok I guess, and I don't think they've changed it since that.
>people say things about D.Va and how she's not viable
>meanwhile I'm here always getting gold medals left and right and winning games and getting multi kills with my ult.
Seriously, people who struggle with D.Va need to git gud.
>>338988497
Why would you try to escape when playing KoTH or capture the point? You want to stay on the objective with your team not going around being solo getting kills I think this is your problem here faggot. Lucio is an objective based character
>>338986626
He's boring when the opposing team can actually dodge worth a damn and avoid your wall smash
I'm surprised people don't complain about his shield, considering all the characters people do complain about.
NUMBANI
>>338988506
When was the last hat update.
>>338987701
>1 week rule isn't up yet
Get fucked, Anon. We don't have to join that cancer fiesta until next Monday.
>>338988661
You mean hats being added to the game?
1 week ago.
>>338988661
Like 2 weeks ago, and they were mostly shit.
Valve was on a roll for a little while, actually changing things in the game.
A lot of them were fucking retarded, but at least they were trying.
According to b4nny they're going to be doing a couple more gun mettle-level of rebalancings.
>>338988634
I like to use speed when my team is full health, so they go fast which kinda fucks up the enemy because they're not used to aim at fast
>>338988686
Dont have to join in next monday either
>>338988661
I think all hat updates are once a week
>>338988571
every time I play D.Va I take so much damage I have to bail and boost away before I can kill anything. I can't ambush anyone and kill them alone because the entire team always sensibly sticks together with a lucio healing them.
I've done well as D.Va a few times, but never in situations where I wouldn't have done well as literally any other hero too. She just doesn't seem to excel at anything except minor harrasment and even then tracer is better.
I wish I could git gud at her though, I have the Junebug skin.
>>338988895
Enjoy your ban kiddo
>Finally get a legendary skin
>it's a character I've literally never played, not even in the beta
Guess I'll give him a try.
>>338974858
What the fuck do I need to play there. I've only played in that map once, counting beta + release. I've must have played each other map at least 10 times.
2 weeks ago they added bad hats
4 weeks ago they did something with the comp beta
8 weeks ago they nerfed something in mannpoewr
12 weeks ago they added the top twitch streamers to the main page
>>338989090
>This skin
>Pirate skin
Torbjörn has the best fucking skins, I swear.
>>338988636
>I'm surprised people don't complain about his shield
There is nothing to complain about with Reinhardt. He is pretty balanced. The shield is monstrously good but he can't do shit while using it and he is slow. He has to be buttfucking you to hit you.
Most characters can run circles around him, and his one projectile ain't that great.
>>338989090
Torbs goat anon just gotta learn how to turret.
What do you go to counter Roadhog?
I don't even know if they have a real one, but they seem to be good sponges for charging your ult.
>>338988895
What the other fag said, it happened with Undertale, it'll happen with Overwatch.
Also,
>Under
>Over
What's the next big game? Around-nondescriptive noun?
>>338980825
>pharah poke
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Good joke, you aren't doing shit in that situation. Your "poke" ends in .5 seconds of 2 bastions.
>>338989259
Genji Junkrat tracer winston Hanzo Widowmaker Soldier 76 if he knows how to play
>>338989259
Soldier: 76, Reaper, Pharah, Junkrat
Anyone that can do damage from a fair distance, barring Reaper who just fucks him up in seconds up close from behind.
Dodging the hook isn't hard. As soon as he notices you, duck behind something, he will almost always immediately attempt a hook.
>>338988571
I'm not good at using her. But I'm good with other characters.
Are you going to tell me your good with all 21 characters? Because I'm not going to believe you.
Also, someone saying git gud who spends most of their time only playing one character is kind of ironic.
>>338989259
Mei, Reaper, Tracer can kill him easy in short range and have abilities to avoid getting hooked.
Also countered by range like soldier, bastion, widowmaker, hanzo
GREAT TIER
King's Row, Lijiang Tower: Garden, Gibraltar, Nepal
SOLID TIER
Hollywood
MEH TIER
Numbani, Route 66, Lijiang Tower: Control Center and Market, Dorado, Volskaya
STUPID TIER
Temple of Anubis, Hanamura
>>338973745
Attack point B at Volskaya is harder desu
>>338989259
He has so much HP, he's basically a free ultimate.
So stuff like really powerful ultimates, like D.Va.
Her ultimate has such a bullshit radius which is really strong for CP maps
>>338989259
Anyone who is happy to shoot him at a distance. He's fat and relies on a shotgun. The snipers are great, the mid range offence is great Mcree and 76, even Genji is a good choice.
>>338989259
D.va? You'd actually want to get hooked as her, you can actually hit him with your peashooters, and you can always fly away from him or pop your shield
>>338988571
The punchline is if you spent 15 hours playing literally any other character, you'd be better off.
>Roadhog hooks me as Rein
>Slam him into a wall and wail on him
what was he expecting
>>338989243
>learn how to turret.
Drop turret. Get PotG.
>>338989259
Only character that can survive a good hook, shoot, melee combo and then fight back seems to be reinhardt.
Everyone else can either be crippled or killed by a roadhog that knows what he's doing.
Stay out of hook range when possible, he's less of a threat if his hook misses, don't try to solo him in close quarters unless you think you can deal 900 damage to him in less than 5 seconds.
>>338982294
fuck tracer
marry mercy
kill zarya
be friend wih mei
>>338984096
>and alone
Well he's a shitter, so just do whatever the fuck you want.
Rein "main" (I ain't gonna pick him unless he's useful), consistently get 5-15 killstreaks per life. And if you're alone, you fucked up.
>Playing attack payload on gerbalter
>say I am going winston
>some 12 year old kid says he wants to pick winston on the mic
>every one starts picking winston
>they all changed the moment they got slaughter at the start by torb and bastion
>stay as the sole winston and get PoTG and four gold medals
Why does he attract such shitters
>>338989478
>>338989609
I plan on investing at least 24 hours with each character before the year is over.
I'm adaptable and if I can do this well with D.Va imagine how well I'd do with Tracer, McCree etc..
>>338984983
It's okay for tracers to go alone because their job is to be a distraction and get important kills. Sure you are still useful in the frontline itself, but often, you want them to get past two guys, kill the widowmaker and symetra, and then come back.
Every offense vs defense map is terrible because it's a fucking terrible mode. All those maps are the fucking same, a stupid corridor you're supposed to go through with no alternative for the start and then at the end a large open area where the defending team can have their back against the wall so you can never fucking do anything.
The middle of the maps are generally okay but the beginning and end are just fucking awfull.
There are just too many long corridors in overwatch, its retarded, it innately favors some archetypes, makes it nigh impossible to disengage most of the time unless you're fucking Tracer and this community of soulless drones is all too happy to pick turret characters and do fucking nothing all game because defending takes literally no fucking effort so might as well go with the most brainless shit
>>338989961
People don't know how to make use of his shield I guess.
I use him as a counter to heroes like Genji or if I'm attacking on King's Row.
>>338990064
Reinhardt's ultimate bane is Tracer, she can easily blink up behind him and rekt his shit.
However Reinhardt can also easily push her shit in with a good slam of his hammer.
>>338986262
As a D.Va, you have my thanks.
>>338989259BastionI'm serious
>>338989259
tracer using blinks/timeaids rewind
>>338990239
Like outside of hook range? I can see that working I guess.
>>338982294
>Fuck Diva
>Marry Mercy
>Kill Symmetra
>Be friends with Meior maybe with Zarya and lift together
>>338990012
Maybe you'll be the only player to ever hit people with McCrees ult.
>>338990323
This, but you'd be amazed by how many Tracer players don't know how to avoid getting hooked.
Blink well and you should be fine though.
>>338987904
>me and my friend both choose mercy
>i use her pistol, friend heals/buffs me
>get 34 eliminations using it
Mercy and no mech DVa have the best guns desu
>Almost no one saying Volskaya
that second point is nigh impossible to capture if the enemy team has even 2 Torbs. A thousand times worse if a Bastion is thrown in too
>>338990531
>Playing winston on hollywood
>some Mercy waifushitter thinks she can take me 1v1 with her pistol
fucking waifufags
Ilios, Lijang, King's Row are probably my favorite maps.
Boy am I tired of Hanamura's second point and I'm tired of Volskaya. For some reason I get Volskaya over and over.
Even Russians don't wanna be in Russia Blizzard, stop putting me in fucking Volskaya
>That level with the bridge where a pro player used airblast to kill 3 people as Lucio
>Do the exact same shit same place, kill 2 and nearly get their mercy too
>Play of the game - it's that play
>Get 10 fucking commends - LEGENDARY
Holy fuck.
>>338990663
she can with enough range and a damage boost, just use the glide ability to gain distance on him
>>338990663
As a mainly reaper player, I just feel bad for winstons in general when I meet them
>>338990331
Bastion retains maximum effectiveness outside of Roadhogs hook range in both turret and sentry mode, and pretty much every location has enough space to keep safe distance as long as you're not a shitter who sits in one place.
Roadhog counters bad Bastions who don't move. Bastions who are constantly on the move (You should be) shut Roadhog down hard. You should never be inside hook range as Bastion.
>>338990809
Funny, when playing winston I feel the same about reapers
>>338982294
>Fuck
D.va
>Marry
Pharah
>Kill
Symmetra
>Be friends with
Zarya
>>338990809
>reaper comes by
>drop shield hold down gun
>he dies or go wraith form
>hop away
easy
>>338988571
>most eliminaations: 52
Did the whole other team go afk?
>>338982294
>Fuck
D. Va
>Marry
Pharah
>Kill
Zarya
>Friend
Tracer
>>338990986
>go inside the bubble
>burst his ass in 3 shots while his ticklegun does nothing
lol
>>338991124
>reaper surviving winstons gun that long
Come on now
>>338989075
>>338989292
Don't know if you know this, but you can still make threads for games that have generals on /vg/.
Stay salty though.
>>338989823
>unless you think you can deal 900 damage to him in less than 5 seconds.
I've never played him even once. How does he always live forever? Is there something I'm missing. Even other tanks seem to go down a lot faster
>>338991192
Correct, Anon, but there's a 1 month policy on excessively popular games, for 1 month after the first week, threads are relegated to /vg/ to "cool down."
Exception is Dark Souls.
>>338989961
>>338990173
Winston tips? Please, I'm trying to get decent with him.
>>338991175
>implying you'll keep LOS for even half a second
>>338991379
Monkey leap shield spray you gun melee once or twice hop away heal redo it again. If you have ultimate hit it once your almost dead and you get 1000 health again
>>338991405
faggot we can make up situations like this all day, but if you are coming into the shield he is within los and range
>>338991372
>Exception is Dark Souls.
4chan does it again!
>>338991291
Fuckhuge HP pool and ridiculous self heal.
>>338991506
Dark Souls is, as /tv/ would put it, pure Kino.
>choke points on pretty much all assault maps unless you're a lone flanker
>spawn room for defenders is right next to the point so even if you take out torbjorn/bastion it'll just be another 5 seconds before they're back
>it's a king of the hill episode
just fuck my game up
>>338981258
Literally the only good KOTH map.
>>338981717
>Volskaya first point
Unless I'm mistaken there's a hard choke point that doesn't have any alternate routes on this shitty map.
>>338973745
This one is pretty balanced compared to >>338972567, it has great verticality and you can flank them from multiple directions, it just takes some coordination. It's fun to fight over as well, unlike Hanamura which is just fucking hell for the attackers if the defenders have well positioned turrets and bastions
Route 66 and Hollywood just aren't fun for either side
>>338991379
Don't only use monkey leap to lunge straight at enemies, it has other uses. Like getting the map faster in general, and hopping up on ledges and shit. I dn why so many people only use it to jump straight into 6 people.
>can't aim well at moving target
>spaz out during every duel and lose horribly
h-help
>>338991760
One of the classes that can jump the gap to the left runs around and gets the point, pulling the team back from the choke
>>338991861
Play Junkrat phara or solider 76
>>338991379
Never stick around. Use your hop to get in, use your shield when you need it. Using it right away might not be good since people might not realize you're there right away, so it would be a waste to drop it too early. Use it if you're being focused, and jump out again once it's about to break/has broken. Target squishies like Widow, Hanzo, Zenyatta, and if you can't do that, you can always just jump into the back and fuck shit up for a few seconds before jumping out again. His ult should be used to get people off of objectives, or even to stick around longer once you jump in. You have 1k HP during it, so you can survive for a long time if you do it right. Also never stick in one place for his ult. Your jump goes to a 2 sec CD or some shit, so take advantage of it.
Another tip. Your jump, when aimed high, can reach most perches where Widows or Pharahs camp, so use it to get into their face and surprise/kill them
>>338991916
Or Mei, Lucio, Mercy, Winston and so on.
Majority of the cast needs no aiming skill.
>>338982294
Fuck Widowmaker
Marry Pharah
Kill Mei
Be best friends with Mercy
>>338982294
Kill Mei
Fuck Mercy
Marry Pharah
>>338992096
>lucio not needing to aim
wut
>>338991861
>team fight
>lose focus completely cuz of everything going on and start spamming my abilities and spazzing
I'm not good against a decent team, it's like I forget how to play.
watchpoint gibraltar is OBJECTIVELY the best map
>>338992261
If only it wasn't only for payloads
>>338991861
>>338991916
Or play Winston, literally don't even have to aim with him
>>338992261
In 15 hours of play, I've gotten this map no more than 5 times, I don't get it
>>338991660
chingchong tower is much better.
>>338982294
wheres the zarya porn
my dick needs it
>>338972718
Ilios is fine except the ruins part
>>338972162
>Literally get Volskaya a billion times
>Never get the payload maps or KOTH in greece
KOTH ques when?
I don't really see Winston in games too much, does his ult push people really far or is it like a little bump?
>>338992204
Your main job is to be speedboost and heal for team.
No one gives a fuck how well you aim with that peashooter of yours, just spam it in the general direction of the enemy and all is fine.
>>338992261
>best map
>forced into a 90% turn with no ways to get around except for a couple of characters who will get instagibbed by all the turrets the moment they jump that wall
>>338973745
I haven't played this map since the beta what the fuck
Can someone list all the maps, I swear there is 1 or 2 I have gotten precisely 0 times. Or like once.
I hate when a map you like is loading up and then it kicks you back into searching for a game cuz too many people leave.
>>338992456
Try it yourself in practice mode. It knocks the shit out of people while not doing a lot of damage.
>>338982294
D.Va seems like a good fuck.
Marry Mei.
Kill Zarya.
Be drinking buddies with Tracer
>>338982294
Fuck Satya
Marry Lena
Kill Hana
Befriend Aleksandra
>>338992456
>have a giant ape character
>give him a weak ass electric gun as his primary weapon
winston a shit
>>338992261
I can't stand this map. Luckily it hardly ever comes up for me, dunno why.
Also the spanish map, Dorado or whatever. I've literally only played it twice. In over 100 games played, I've only been there two times. The fuck?
>>338992456
Environment kill for days on Iilos and Ljiang tower
>>338992595
http://overwatch.gamepedia.com/Maps
It's probably Watchpoint Gilbraltar, I don't think anyone fucking gets that map
>>338992901
I get it quiet often but I don't think you fags count ps4
>all this Hanamura hate
What's up with it.
>>338993014
Two death fields that offense has no way around
>Needs buffs
Winston
Zenyatta
>Needs nerfs
Zarya
Junkrat
Tracer
Mei
Toblerone
Bastion
>Fine as is
The rest
Y/n?
>Gibraltar
So what do people see in that map exactly?
>>338992819
This is why I love those maps as Pharah, don't forget Nepal
KOTH just better than any other game mode due to the better maps
>>338992989
>playing on consoleMe too, but xbone.
>>338993124
>they don't know how to sneak up to the top during the second push
Are they bad?
>>338982294
Fuck D.VA
Marry Mercy
Kill Symmetra
Bro with Mei
>>338993262
There is no sneaking up. All the paths literally end at the same point at point A and B there is no way around faggot
>>338993149
agree with you on the buffs but no one should be nerfedif mei gets nerfed ill legit off myself
>>338993149
>Zarya
Are you jokig. Be joking.
>>338993149
>Torb
Fucking what mate are you one of the people who can't handle a single solo turret
>zarya
you jest right
>Nerf junkrat
I can see why on some maps just make it so its a limit of one junk rat pre team
>>338993504
>>338993560
DPS on her laser is too fucking high for someone as tanky as her. Either her shield strength or her DPS needs to go lower, she shouldn't be able to have both
>>338993675
>Zarya
>high laser dps
maybe if your getting shot in the fucking head
>>338991379
I just noticed this is hard to explain
>>338993675
Her shield lasts 2 seconds and goes on a 10 second cooldown..are you high?
>>338991379
Jump around and rape the weak enemies. Also fuck the ones who are support. Always keep moving, don't underestimate how useful the gun he has is against enemies with low health.
>>338993736
Even on body shots its pretty fucking strong. Her bombs, ult, shield are all fine, but laser feels out of place strong. Almost McCree level TtK
Sniper chick, bastion, and mei are the only ones needing nerfs imo.
Bastion is nearly perfect, he just has a bit too much range for his damage. Maybe a bit of scatter or falloff at far ranges would make him fine for me.
Sniper is lame because she can literally bodyshot ohko almost half the roster. Nobody should be able to do that, especially not as quickly as her.
Mei because she's fucking Mei.
>>338992261
D.va player spotted
>>338993324
So you don't know how to get up high on the dojo? Cause you can while attacking.
The temple one. Last point is fucking awful.
>>338991961
>Never stick around
This might be my mistake. I get bodied a lot playing him
>>338973458
have 2 Genjis, they'll take out the Widow and the Bastions.
what's the lore of overwatch? why are people fighting on that route?
>>338993736
Her laser doesn't headshot
The big issue I've found is people can't track with her, mostly because her weapon fires from the right of the cursor
>>338993675
Fucking stop shooting her in her bubble you twat.
>>338982294
>Not marrying Mercy 4 times
Actually the worst taste of all time
>>338994070
Yeah your gun really sucks, so all you do is pretty much just annoy the shit out of people. Like I said, only squishies are easy to kill as Winston. Everything else, you might as well not bother
>>338994054
>just feel like quitting by that round
Remove this map Blizz
>>338994083
It's a map for McCree. Don't think too hard, there's not much of a reason outside of it housing a military base.
>>338975757
>Not enjoying shit like Ranma
>>338994216
Amari go to sleep.
>>338977616
>>338979365
jesus christ you guys are fucking babies
>>338994008
I think just lower the clip size on siege mode and decrease the reload time or leave it the same, but I incredibly agree bastion has to much accuracy at far range.
>>338982294
Fuck Mercy
Marry Tracer
Kill Widow or Symetra
Friend D.Va
>>338993149
Mei needs less health and her ice block to not contest or can knocked out of the contest zones to prevent defense teams repicking for easy win (this is mostly a problem on anubis when the spawn is close to the defense point).
Junkrat is fine just draws scrubs who blind fire choke points until ult then panic and spam all their skills if someone sneaks up on them.
Tracer and Bastion are fine.
Hanzo needs a longer draw time on his bow to stop k/d shitters blind firing into choke points and getting easy kills by shooting people in the foot.
What is your problem with Toblerone?
How would you buff Winston and Zenyatta?
Zarya is bullshit in the hands of a good player.
Widowmaker needs something to make her as viable as Hanzo besides having superior Turret destroying capabilities. I think her not having an enemy outline would make her about equal because she already has the bullet trail.
Lucio is to hard to kill due to his mobility and constant health regen. He also has a weapon that is free kills on illos and night market. So i think he needs slightly less health.
Mcree needs a slightly longer reload time but that is just because he makes me fucking salty as fuck.
>>338982294
Fuck Widowmaker.
Marry Mercy.
Kill Mei or Symmetra.
Best friends with Zarya.
The only correct choice.
>>338994460
>clip
fuck off
>>338973745
Fuck attacking here. Team of 3 fucking Bastions...almost ended my life
>>338986563
can I do this on ps4 though
>>338994008
Mei's actual strength is exaggerated by her moveset. Which is to say, she's not overpowered, she's just not fun to play against.Or with
Widowmaker needs to be smacked around with the ban hammer and nobody denies this.
Bastion isn't getting nerfed. Devs have already said that he's either getting buffed or getting tinkered with.
There's actually not a single map I like in it. I've never played a game where I didn't like at least one map.
>>338994008
yeah widow's fire rate needs a major adjustment
>>338994547
>What is your problem with Toblerone?
Ult is up way too much. He gains like 15% just from his turret firing on someone for a few seconds. Literally everything else about him is fine though
>How would you buff Winston and Zenyatta?
Winston, it would be one of two things. Lower his bubble CD by like 3 seconds or so. Or, just up the DPS on his gun a little bit. One or the other, not both.
Zenyatta, health to 200. That's it
Other nerfs is that there should be a CD on Bastion changing to turret form. Maybe like 7 sec or something. Charges for Tracers dash should generate slightly slower(1-2 sec more). Junkrat is mostly fine, but I think his main bombs fire way too fast
No comment on the Widow or Lucio stuff. I don't see them enough to have a good judgement.
I feel like McCree's main role should be decimating people who get in his face though, so I don't think he needs nerfs.
>People literally want Bastion and Mei, the absolute worst characters next to Zenyatta, nerfed
You guys are better than this, right?
>>338995501
>Mei
>not top tier
She's literally probably the best character in the game
bastion needs his shield back in turret mode
maybe remove his heal and give him a different ability in each form for more utility
The only map I really hate is Numbani
It's super boring to play in
>>338994949
>Playing on Console
Laughing man.jpg
But in all seriousness, I don't know, can you pull up the screen with the buttons "Social, Career Profile, Options, Quit Game," etc.?
If so, then yes.
If no, then no.
>>338995342
There's nothing Widow does that Hanzo doesn't do better besides killing bastions and turrets.
Lucio is just frustrating to deal with.
I think Zenyatta is fine but that's just because I play widow and hes the only character where the lag doesn't fuck me.
I think lower cooldown for Winston would be the way to go.
Mcree has no bad ranges.
>>338994547
>I think her not having an enemy outline would make her about equal because she already has the bullet trail.
I like this idea
might end up being too powerful though
The desert temple map fucking sucks. Theres basically only one chokepoint to the first objective you need to capture. Theres no decent alternative routes. To get to the one "alternative route" there is, you have to get through the first damn chokepoint in the first place.
>>338996883
>Dash into one of the side rooms
>You just got past the choke point
Was that so hard?
>>338997034
Run into symetra turrets and junkrat traps, good job lone wolf.
>>338997034
Anyone paying attention to the entrance, of which there is only one, would clearly be able to see you go through it.
>>338997348
This. The entire 6 members of the defense team camp the entrance
The only way through is with coordinating probably multiple ults, it's funny that the first cap is so much harder than the 2nd
>>338997203
>Symmetra turrets
>He can't pop a few turrets
>Junkrat traps
>He doesn't already keep an eye for those
>>338997348
And if they focus you, your team pushes into choke. If you have two players go into each side room and they split, the other 4 members of your team will steamroll in no problem.
>>338998516
>the other 4 members of your team will steamroll in no problem.
Sure, if the other team is retarded.
>>338998516
You said dash into side room not my problem you died like a dumb fuck because you can't into teamwork faggot.
>>338998715
>Doesn't die, instead diverts attention, allowing rest of team to get in
I'm so sorry you have no reading comprehension.
>>338972162
>>338972567
>>338972718
>>338972858
>>338973693
>>338973745
So all the maps are bad, then.
>>338998516
Symmetra turrets aren't dangerous for their damage, they're dangerous because they snare you while Symmetra jumps on you and obliterates you with her M1.
>>338975757
>hating on ranma
Really?
>>338998968
Here's your you, next thing your going to tell me you were actually playing Winston so you destroyed all the traps.you weren't.
>>338994216
Monica
>>338973979
>I_WIN.png strat
maps like that and a few others that have bottleneck single entry points make it too easy to defend.
I've never lost a defense match on that map, but I've also won a lot of offense too.
Most recently my last 2 wins on the map came from games that only lasted 2min. IDK what is up with that but we (both matches) got insta-checkpoint victories and on the second checkpoint only 2 enemy heroes were there. once they died it instantly gave us the win.
>>338999512i wasn't. Properly angled Junkrat Mine into the room with a bomb in front of me is how I usually do it.
>>338986101
what's wrong with Volskaya? Both Capture Points are fairly open. Point B has a ton of flanking options compared to Anubis or Hanamura. The choke point before A is pretty extreme, but it's better than Hanamura or Anubis thanks to the bus, and there is an extremely well covered flank that leads all the way around to the defenders back line
>>338986074
>Lucio players who AFK on healing
>Never use speed outside of round start
>They also never use wall run
Speed should always be on until your team starts taking damage then you swap to heal, pressing E, and swap back out when E is over. Also don't leave your shit on healing when you pop your ult.
Gotta go fast.
Worst: Lijang, Dorado, Nepal, Volskaya
Best: Route 66, Hanamura, Numani, Giblartar.
Coming from a widowmaker
I have to ask again: how the fuck did McCree make it out of Beta with damage that high? There's literally nothing you can do at any range except die, die, or die against a good McCree.
Getting good has nothing to do with it, if he aims at you at range, you're dead.
If he aims at you at mid, you're dead.
If he aims at you at close, you're stunned and dead.
He has 0 downsides AND gets a free reload on dodge roll.
>>338982294
Fuck Pharah.
Marry Mercy.
Kill Symmetra.
Best friends with Tracer.
Objectively best.
Best maps in this game are really just ok at best.
I really dislike a lot of them.
>>338982294
Fuck Widow
Marry Mercy
Kill D.Va
BFF Zarya
>>339001349
In exchange he's fragile and has poor mobility. Get good.
>>338982294
fuck Mercy
marry D.va
kill Mei
BFF with Tracer
>>338972162
watchpoint shitbaltur is the worst map and this objective fact
I insta-leave any match when this shit map shows up
>>338989259
i play most of the characters people answer with but today i was working on mcree for the first time and found him devastating to the hog. Flashbang gives you more time than roadhog usually spends in an encounter to unload your clips into him. I finally feel like i have enough damage to kill him while hes eating too.
>>339002587
>Fragile
>200 HP
As fragile as all the other 200 HP characters who are outright worse in most regards, sans mobility.
>Poor mobility
So do half the 200 or less Hp characters.
I do that good as him, nobody can counter me and nobody can counter him when playing against him. Equal skill levels, McCree is outright better than everyone else at all ranges damage-wise except Snipers.
I'd love to be good enough to stomp a McCree, but that's simply impossible when he can instantly kill you at point blank with 0 survival chance.
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