Are any heroes actually balanced or underpowered?
>>338899129
what if they are?
>>338899129
some are way to overpowered, some need buffs.
>>338899129
I don't want to necessarily say overpowered or underpowered, but it is a shame certain characters just stand out as more viable. I mean, there isn't a single instance where Reinhardt isn't a good addition to the team. Same goes for Mercy. On the other hand, there is D.Va, and I know some people love the hell out of her, but there isn't a great reason to pick her over any of the other tanks.
inb4 that seething autist starts spamming that Mei copypasta
Dual Reinhardt is fucking bonkers
All characters are balanced in the fact that each one is cheap in a different way.
>>338899129
I'd say Lucio and McCree are obviously over the top, permapicked in every competitive team in every map.
>McCree: insane damage, FUCKING STUN, good ulti
Nerfs on damage and maybe rework of the stun (maybe the granade blinds your screen for a while?)
>Lucio: heals like a retard and is incredibly hard to kill because he jumps like a monkey
Nerf on heals and that's it.
>>338899129
As a Winston main, they need to make his Ult a little more scary. Give it just a pinch more damage. Gun needs the slightest bit more range too, maybe at the cost of a little bit of the cone.
Mei's only problem is the Ice armor. Healing/invuln is fine but you shouldn't have both. Or otherwise make it way more unsafe to use.
Bastion's switch needs to take way more time to make a turret mode transformation more unsafe in the middle of a firefight he didn't see coming but everything else is fine.
The rule of all online games is: You are the most awesome and skilled player in the entire universe. Therefore, if you suck with something, it's underpowered, and if it kills you, it's overpowered.
>>338899683
NERF HER
mei is fucking stupid and incredibly unfun to play against
>>338899129
Over/under powered memes are moreso the misperceptions of unskilled, unthinking Sheeple, than empirical fact.
>>338901318
This. The sheer amount of noobs shitting on Symmetra is hilarious. They dont see the power with her.
>>338899129
D.va needs more damage resist buff in her mech
mei needs a nerf, maybe her primary does less damage or increase the time to slow and freeze
bastion needs his reload speeds increased as at the moment it is quicker to change config and back again rather than reload. that is even in recon.
zenyazza probably needs a health increase atm he is quite useless as support compared to mercy and lucio
winston needs a damage buff and health buff imo
symetra needs a damage buff for her primary
You know, everyone tells me such and such is overpowered, but there's only one champ that I think is a must have no matter what the gamemode or what side. Reinhardt, he is never not infinitely useful. Won't score the most.
I'm actually surprised, there really isn't that much OP or even underpowered characters in Overwatch. People shouting Nerf _____ are pretty much shitters getting stomped on because they a) refuse to change to counter whats happening (mainfags) or b) they're just completely shit.
Every character has a hard counter -- getting assravaged by that Bastion/Mei/Junkrat/etc? switch to a character that counters it, simple as that.
>>338901407
>tfw Symmetra is my 2nd most played char
Symmetra is really good. The Turrets melt squishies, her Charge blast is great at locking corners/hallways and even passes through Reinhardt's shields, and her Teleporter is easily one of the best utility Ults in the game. We've won so many clutch victories from a well-placed teleporter
>>338899129
Mei is overpowered. Her frost beam shouldn't bend tanks over so quickly, but rather work like McCrees ult, and require a longer time to freeze based on health. This would also fix her shitty ult. Needs less health too, or a longer cooldown on her ice block.
D.Va is underpowered. No idea what I'd change, but she needs something. Right now she is only good for her ult. One visual change that would be nice is making her shield look like Reinhearts, to give shitters as visual clue that maybe they should fucking stand behind it.
>>338901556
Bastion definitely needs his transformation to be longer. You can sneak up on a Bastion in recon mode and he has enough time to transform and kill you before you can kill him.
My only real frustration with how the games balanced is that you literally always want Lucio and/or Mercy, they are fine and all to play but I spend about half my gametime as Lucio just because not having him is suicide
I wish his gun was less crappy feeling to use though
>>338900136
lucio deals like 10 health er sec in an aoe
mercy does 50 per sec.
I thin lucio's amp it up, ups it to 26=20 or something like that.
if you feel he is OP, then you obviously don't understand the trinity.
you need to single out the healers from the pack.
I can't say much for mcree, I don't know the time for his flashbang cooldown either but he has weaknesses, it is a counter pick.
mcree beats reaper, tracer beats mcree, reaper beats tracer
Roadhogs grappling chain needs fixing. If he grapples me from the air, fine, but if I fall behind a crate or wall, it shouldnt just pull me through these apparent solid objects. It should break the chain.
Widowmaker is genuinely overpowered.
Add 50 self damage to Spamrat's mine.
>>338901818
>she is only good for her ult
That is the opposite of what she is good for. Her ult is big and scary when you start the game, but completely functionless now that everyone knows what it does and can casually walk to cover for 2 seconds and then continue fighting like nothing ever happened.
>>338901820
>Bastion definitely needs his transformation to be longer
his transform speed is fine, it is just the reload, it takes longer to reload than to go in and out of config.
if you cant damage him from behind and kil him that must be the char you are using or you are not getting head shots, 2 blasts from tracers guns will kill him and that is quicker than him changing his config
>>338902089
>Giving them time to get to cover
You use it with your charge, from a hiding spot. Obviously everyone gets into cover if you give them the time to do so.
>>338902005
>game should also render every fingernail and the effects of gravity on each hero's spine maybe even have time affect each hero's appearance and then have them die from old age
>>338899129
I just want Mercy to have an E ability
bastion is bretty nasty, op even
>>338902034
>Widowmaker is genuinely overpowered.
How do you figure?
>>338902301
Lol
Was I asking for too much?
>>338901992
Tracer does not beat mcree lmao
Literally instant stun and right click
I had a 25 kill streak on a comeback win with Bastion last night. He's OP.
>>338902089
It comes in really handy for when you need to push a point for the last leg or overtime. Your throw that fucker down on the point/cart and they all fuck off allowing your team mates to push with ease.
It doesn't last long but it's come in handy a number of times.
>King of the Hill
>Enemy goes all Mei "cause so OP"
>Beat them in round 1
>Round 2 they all go Bastion
>Beat them again
>"Wooooow guys we were just tring to have fun wth"
>>338902338
What would you even give her?
>>338902338
Goodgirl[/spoiler[
>>338902034
>tfw you're a noob that doesn't understand how to counter snipers
>>338902392
No, no... no.
>>338902385
>instant charge
>150 damage bodyshot
>instantly kills squishies
>no bolt time because rifle is semi-automatic
>no scope sway it's always accurate and she stays accurate while being shot
>Her rifle is also a fucking machine gun
>She can escape easily with grapple
>Decent health
>No damage falloff
THE FUCKIN ICE BITCH NERF THE FATTY
>>338899129
D.Va needs to be buffed.
>the entire cockpit is her headbox and leads to her 500 HP being drained in a heartbeat against strong heroes
>her guns don't do enough damage and the range is pitiful
>only forms of attack in her mech are the aforementioned guns and her ult that lets her go full allahu ackbar
If D.Va's headbox was her actual head and she had a medium-range M2, then D.Va would be a lot better. I like playing as D.Va (she has actually has my highest average eliminations at 22.64 because my playtime with her is 19 minutes), but it's really hard to justify playing as her when I could pick someone who could actually tank damage or be more than a hit and run damage dealer.
>>338902489
Some more speed, she's slow af, even the short manlet that is Torbjorn can outrun her, and trying to make an escape in a shitty situation is important.
>Mei comes out of nowhere
>le freeze
>le spike headshot
>does some faggoty fucking emote
If they're doing it purely to make me angry, they're doing a great job
>>338902679
yeah but she can fly which few use properly
I don't play D.Va but I have no fucking clue how her shield works.
Is it the extended part that's the shield or the multiple small ones work too?
>>338899570
The problem is D.Va is classed as a tank when she's more of a bulky harasser. If you let her be your only tank you're gonna have issues.
Mei needs to have her ice stun nerfed, while Dva needs her guns to do better damage.
>>338901898
>I wish his gun was less crappy feeling to use though
yeah i feel that, it is so underpowered, but as offense he is supposed to harass people really.
I have shot plenty of people of the map with his bounce shot thing.
the game balance is as it was an mmo raid, you need a healer, if no one is willing to do the job, you step up and carry the team.
least with lucio you can amp it up, put your speed on and wallride to save your own ass, mercy is only as good as the people protecting her
>>338902493
Get off my board tumblercunt
>>338902618
Those are some mighty interesting points anon and I agree with most of them.
I don't mind getting shitted on at range by Widowmaker, but I do get mighty salty when she packs my fudge in close range. Her character has no business having an automatic weapon.
>>338902089
>>338901818
>>338901010
I think Mei shouldn't slow your shooting speed, that's completely retarded IMO. She shows up, hits you with a tick of frost beam and you're dead. Also, the fact that his projectile weapon can 3-shot every squishy is disgusting.
>>338901992
You seriously understimate his ability to literally win the game alone.
The aoe healing, paired to the strong ulti is just too much. I think the ultimate is ok, the healing is just too strong. While Mercy has to single cure every single player, he can do that by pressing E in less time. And all this while jumping around. Either nerf the healing boost, the healing aura, or the healing boost cooldown.
McCree can beat everyone with a stun granade. I have no issues stunning a Tracer, even if she's good, since the granade has a retarded giant aoe.
>>338902776
>Mercy
>slow
oh my god you're retarded
>>338902489my dick
>>338902793
>dubs on /v/
>>338902776
>Mercy
>Slow
What the fuck am I reading here.
>>338902793
>Dubs
Welcome newfag, kindly fuck off.
>Filename
Also, nice try.
>>338902290
>You use it with your charge, from a hiding spot.
Except they still all have a giant blinking HUD icon that tells them exactly where it is, not to mention the graphical effects of the mech itself cover the screen. Only the most retarded players will ever get killed by her ult.
Remove the warning icon from the HUD (from Tracer's bomb, too), to buff the ult, no more, no less.
>>338902835
Her "shield" is an activated ability that will block all projectiles in an arc in front of you for like 3 seconds. It's great for closing the gap.
Anyone have the Reddit vs. Pro rankings chart?
>>338902776
you have to stick with your team and keep yourself out of the enemies view, left shift to leap to a friendly
nobody should die if you stay behind them, meaning you shouldn't be running away with no one to jump to
>20 tick
How the fuck do I land d.va's ult
>>338903000
DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
>>338899129
Overpowered:
Widow
Lucio
McCree
Pharah
Unperpowered:
D.Va
Zenyatta
Tjornborn
Bastion
Winston (Sort of. He's the best counter to Widow which makes him good right now.)
Balanced:
Everyone else.
>>338902847
Going to need a source on that.
Alejandra hero when
>>338902407
mcree is only good at close range with fan the hammer and mid with his normal shots, tracer can pick him off easy and blink without him hitting her, he cant even flash her, and if she gets hit, she can recall out the stun.
flip side reaper is only deadly as close, not as deadly dps as mcree can be,
>>338903000
well, too bad you don't want it
>>338902530
This. Almost everyone who plays a sniper in vidya is a dumb fuck with severe tunnel vision. As long as you don't cross into the narrow unmoving cone of death then you can walk up to them and taunt before killing them.
>>338903097
I concur with Tjornborn and Bastion being up, but they're seriously cancerous heroes. Instead of buffing them I'd rework some of their abilities to make them less cancerous.
I wish they would have pushed it further towards Marvel levels, where everyone is broken, and that's the balancing.
As is, 76 seems the only honest character in the game. Bastion does too much damage in turret mode. Mei is annoying. Reaper is annoying. Tracer does a bit too much damage for what her gimmick is. That one chick is literally just a Portal reference and that's lame as fuck.
>90% of the heroes have a way to bail them out in case they made a mistake because god forbid they had actual weaknesses
epic
>>338903008
>Except they still all have a giant blinking HUD icon that tells them exactly where it is
I don't understand why we get that. Nobody else gets a big warning on their screen about an ulti. That warning should only be shown for D.Va.
Its certainly got enough of an audio que.
>>338900841
This and if someone is worse than you, they are a shitty noob who needs to git gud and if they are better than you, they are a tryhard no-life virgin who spends all day playing.
>>338901992
Lucio's amp up is 40 hp per second for 3 seconds btw
They need to rework Zenyatte's niche as a healer. His orbs should be instant % heal with a cool down or charge, make it interact with his orbs of discord in some way (dealing damage to target with an orb lowers CD?)
>>338903157
Given that I already own it, no.
Mccree, roadhog, mei, and torbjorn are my only complaints
Torbjorns turret shouldn't be capable of instant 180 lock ons atleast give it a short swivel time
Roadhog just does too much damage for his high hp, high heal, and hitscan grab. The tradeoff is he's a giant walking super so I don't mind him too much.
Not sure what to say about Mccree or Mei. Mcree can just sit around a corner and your are instantly fucked and Mei's kit is a little ridiculous atleast let her heal block be breakable so she has to plan it better.
Bastions turret mode needs a wind up, that's it. I know he is extremely easy to beat but it's annoying as hell when
>walk around corner
>didn't know bastion was there
>die in 1 second
His recon mode needs a buff though
>>338903225
That's only if the two of you are using the same thing.
>>338903097
how is bastion underpowered in anyway?
he's a fucking mobile turret that destroys everything 100-0 instantly
Mei is ridiculously overpowered. If I'm in a match with her on either team I can't go 2 minutes without needingto fap_________
>>338903319
>Roadhog just does too much damage for his high hp
Roadhog is weak as shit, what are you talking about? He is the same as D.Va and Reaper, only deals good damage when you're hugging him, completely useless at range.
>>338903349
>walk around corner
>see bastion turret
>hit E
>he kills himself
>>338902493
>that gif
the fuck is this shit. Shouldn't you be on r9k or some shit in a prision gay thread?
>>338903310
i am diamonds
>>338903394
Once youget gudyou'll realize that he's underpowered.
>>338903394
extremely easy to deal with with proper teamplay
he's the kind of hero who shits on people in pubs but will never see competitive play
>>338903459
>>338903319
Roadhog's damage it abysmal unless the target is right in front of his face, he's fine
>>338903484
>he can't literally lockdown a corner and force a team to go a different route
>get gud
nice memes, bruh
>>338903414
PPPPHHHFFFFRRRRRTTTTT
>>338902679
she can kill people by boosting into them too.
one of her main weaknesses is she cant move properly while she shoots.
add that to she has to be close range and 1 clip of soldier 76 will kill her mech, wtf is she supposed to do!
Overwatch is fine balance wise, it took the route of low TTK / extremely high punishment for mistakes.
Similar to the comparison between LoL and Dota. Overwatch being Dota and a game like paladins being LoL.
I really don't like the homogenized spammy combat that games like LoL have, if someone fucks up they die.
For instance if mei gets anywhere close to a macree she is just fucking dead, if you have trouble with tracers just place a turret protecting your flank etc....
>>338903426
Yes because I play genji all the time 24/7 and can predict where bastion is going to be at all times
Fucking retard
>>338903506
>not loli
way to ruin it
>>338903486
>never see competitive play
blizzard patches balance changes into all of their games frequently
>>338903583
>Walk into a room unprepared
>get fucked
the only retard here is you faggot
>>338903486
>he's the kind of hero who shits on people in pubs but will never see competitive play
This. When I'm playing solo he is shit tier annoying as calling out his location is ignored, when I'm playing with friends he is an utter joke, at best he'll kill one of us, and get called out and killed right afterwards.
>>338903418
>>338903508
>roadhog players
I think they should prevent Lucio from healing himself. It's a bit ridiculous that he can, even if it is slowly.
>>338903647
Do we even play the same game? There are many many other places he can hide that isn't a room
>>338903414
>>338903648
>need to call out bastion cause he's underpowered
I don't get some of you people, you just want to be right.
>>338902889
>Her character has no business having an automatic weapon.
this it doesn't make sense that she can shit on people close range as well as far range, there needs to be a draw back, but I honestly don't see one when it comes to widow. Not to mention her poison mine does a surprising amount of damage in my experience
>>338903653
Nice suggestion.
It's not slow at all actually, he turns to full life in 2 sec when he uses the boost.
>>338903349
>genji reflect
>reinhardt charge
>junkrat lob spam
>widowmaker snipe
>pharah jump flank and rocket spam
WOW
>>338903642
>Blizzard
>balance
>>338903537
You shouldn't even bother posting in an Overwatch thread if you're going to complain about Bastion being OP.
Go post the 10,000th complaint on the Overwatch forums about Bastion being OP. Blizzard is aware that he's OP to scrubs and next to useless in high level play and they've said so themselves several times.
Is he poorly designed? Yes. But he's not OP.
>>338902474
>It comes in handy for defending the very last seconds when it's almost set in stone to win
Jeee, how useful.
>>338902290
It's not like you're gonna be doing much else given you have to get to cover too and you're temporarily becoming the weakest champ in the game to do this.
>>338903801
Which is why I want his recon mode to be buffed, glad to see you didn't read
>>338899129
Bastion is not OP.
Quickmatch is shit, ranked will bring people in line.
>>338903761
yes but there is always a path around him where he can't see you on every single map.
>>338903583
>76
>Rocket and a few shots
>Widowmaker/Hanzo
>Two charged shots/Two arrows
>Genji
>Deflect
>Winston
>Jump onto and zap
>D.VA
>Charge with shield up
>McCree/Mei
>Just shoot him from afar with your sniping pistol
>Roadhog
>Grab him
Etc etc.
>>338903650
Apparently you havent even touched him
His pellet spread is, by far, the worst in the game.
His damage per pellet is, by far, the worst in the game.
The only way to die to roadhog's M1 is to be <5 feet in front of him.
>>338901773
People don't know that her M1 retains its damage scaling for a few seconds after you ramp it up. If you drop one player, you are going to drop a second (and possibly a third) instantly.
People are still getting surprised that they lose 75% of their HP to one charged orb.
>>338903081
It's rare you get a good opportunity, but wait until your enemies are pinned in, to some degree, and use your boosters to fire it in there. I think her ult is mostly just to force people to scatter, hopefully allowing your teammates to take advantage, but I've gotten 5 kills and a win off it before.
It's remarkably balanced.
It's like playing a fighting game in first person.
>>338899129
Lucio is crazy. Speeds up and heals your entire team. He can also traverse some shortcuts.
Reinhart's one-way shield is obviously really useful.
Soilder 76 is one of the few characters with an easy to aim really effective medium range gun. His ult is easy mode, he can sprint and has a simple heal for himself and other teammates.
Mcree is great at almost any range.
I love Zenyatta, but he doesn't really excel at anything.
>>338903856
Fair enough.
99.9% of the posters here are scrubs, m8.
>>338903783
its decent damage and a slow
dva does shit damage unless she is on top of you and even then u can kill her mech before she can kill you most of the time
also her slow movement while shooting is bullshit
and her ult is just zone denial which is only good in payload
Bastion is almost always good when defending.
>>338903801
>charging with Reinhardt
>Pharah
I don't even think Bastion is OP but you must have played against shitty Bastions if these worked for you. Pharah is instakilled and Reihnard, heck he even stays still while charging.
A good counter to Bastion is Tracer bomb too.
Bastion is fine. Though his scout mode rifle does more damage than 76's rifle for some reason.
The only thing I hate about Bastion is his ult.
Oneshotting 200 HP heroes with a spammable cannon is not very fun to deal with. I don't think he can even damage himself with it.
>>338903157
I want it.
>>338903783
I mean her assault rifle is not that powerful. Its not really much different then the TF2 sniper having an SMG in his default loadout although it is definitely better than the snipers SMG was.
>>338904003
Lucio could do with less health, given how fucking fast he is.
>>338903907
I know I can counter him doing those, but how am I suppose to react when he can easily kill me within a few seconds when I don't know where he is in the first place? Most of the time I am guaranteed to die because I couldn't see him around a corner.He can also kill winston much more faster then winston can kill him
>>338904061
naw m8 only scrubs lose to bastion
>watch all the scrubbies lose in casual play constantly
he never kills anyone in legit comp, bruh
>>338901010
>Can create walls
>There are maps with single choke points
>You can have multiples of the same hero on a team
Holy fuck, what were they thinking? They had a chance to start fresh with this game, but they had to put in unfun garbage like stupid tanks, immobile gimmicky characters, and compulsory healers. Who here /halo5/?
>>338903783
Her assault rifle isn't that good. Stop making such a big deal about it. Next you're going to be that faggot I played against who cried about how Widow's rifle has a larger magazine than 76's rifle.
>>338903847
>blizzard
>not above average balance
>getting killed by Bastion ever
Fucking uninstall you god damn noob. He's literally the worst character in the ENTIRE GAME.
I'd like to point out this is probably the first Overwatch thread I've come across that isn't full of "el oh el u blizzcucks spent 40 monies" shit posters. Thank you.
>>338904078
>I don't think he can even damage himself with it.
He can.
>>338904078
I saw a bastion kill himself with his ult he definitely can. Bastion really is fine was pretty funny seeing all the shitters whining about him in open beta. There's multi heroes that are hard counters to him. I get mad kicks out of hooking bastions with roadhog.
>>338904052
True, but she never dies in the right situation, and can get some kills. Just sticking around and dealing a bit of damage here-and-there--plus the occasional booster kill--can be pretty damn useful.
>>338904336
>worst character
>not D.Va
That was a bad post.
>Mei's guide to everything
>Left click, then right click
>McCrees guide to everything
>E, then right click
>>338904349
It's weird that there's so many people mad about Overwatch when it's on all platforms except Wii U. I'd expect this level of shitposting if it was PC exclusive.
>>338904336
you first, since you don't get that the worst character is D.VA
bookworm eskimo is op and made me broke ma wii u pad
>>338903932
>roadhog only has 1 type of shot
maybe you should play him
>>338904453
>>338904403
DVA is second worse you fucking casual scum, get gud faggots
>>338904495
This.
His alt fire does a lot more damage at a medium range than people realize.
>>338904519
>>338904403
>>338904336
>>338904453
dva is the worst u know
srsly i sware none of u people no anything
The worst characters are snipers in the hands of people who don't know how to use them. Like me.
comparative to the other offense I feel like reaper is, I mean his ult is strong, but he can only shoot his gun compared to genji or mcree who have other options
>>338904314
In what game
last time they knew how to do shit was Blizzard north era
>tfw the enemy team has a really good Zarya and you go full retard whenever she shields
fuk i need to git gud
>>338904519
>Basion
>Does more damage than DVA
>Easily Killed
>DVA
>Does less damage than Bastion
>Even easier to kill
Let's do this again
>bastion is worse then dva
>>338904263
No one
No one is /halo5/
>Really like Tracers character, but suck shit with her
Feels bad.
Nerf Reins shield.
Nerf Bastions railgun damage and range.
Buff Winstons shield and ult damage
Remove Mei from the game
Game is no fixed.
>>338904716
>t. casual post
Stop, just stop. I bet you don't even D drop, do you?
>>338904314
>blizzard
>above average balance
t. someone who never played WoW
but yes, they've actually done a pretty good job this time around; there are some small changes that I would like to see, D.Va buffed, and McCree's damage nerfed, but that's about it.
>>338904674
>Its a "Hanzo only hits with his ult" episode
Zenyatta is the best fucking character.
There I said it.
>>338904762
Tracer is a gnat. Ideally, you have perfect aim and get kills all over the place, but failing that, you run out ahead, and just keep your opponents distracted with your shenanigans.
>>338904794
>Remove Mei from the game
fight me irl
>>338902489
not that anon, but maybe an "oh shit" heal on a medium to long cooldown
or if thats too OP maybe a wing flap to gain a little height. not as high or as quick as Pharrah but enough to hop over some things and get LoS in some situations to zoom over
>>338904440
i was pulling off headshots cross the map with john marston
>>338899129
Roadhog's gun could eat Mei.
Jesus christ it doesn't look that big in game.
>>338904450
It's not F2P and it's actually a good online game so tons of 3rd world and poorfag shits are angry they can't afford it.
So to help themselves cope they shitpost about how "bad" it is or "how soon will it die"?
>>338904794
>nerf a hero who's underpowered
>buff a hero who's overpowered
genius
ITT: "I want this character to be good at EVERYTHING, but only this character"
>>338904861
Zenyatta is the most fun healer IMO but he's a bit weak right now. The good thing about him is you can run another healer like Mercy or Lucio because Zenyatta does tons of damage.
>>338904813
when i shred i drop C#
>>338904263
They made a halo 4 let alone 5?
>>338904163
Maybe. I'm not sure that would drop his op-ness significantly.
I think Reignhart's shield should lose effectiveness when around other allied Reignhart's.
>>338904794
>please nerf/remove the characters I don't like and the buff the character I like: the post
Fuck off.
>>338905034
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CoIgQ4ZeKc
>>338904994
I just kinda wish he could throw out multiple orbs at once, at the expense of having lower max ammo per orb you have out.
Like if you had five healing orbs out on each teammate then you have no orbs left for offense.
Or you could debuff five enemies at once and have no shots of your own.
They would have to remove the line of sigh requirements for this to happen though.
>>338904960
I dont know what the fuck all this talk about Winston being top tier is, his ultimate punches literally do like 30 damage and his shield is made of wet paper. His gun having aim assist is nice but it does mediocre damage too. Hes good at jumping up to a sniper and tickling them with his gun. Thats about it.
>>338904897
>Tfw fighting a tracer that knows what theyre doing
Fucking hell, it's incredibly frustrating trying to kill one that has infinite blinks and rewinds.
zen needs a buff, 76 needs to stop being so accurate
also holy fuck give hanzo a way to defend himself in close quarters
>>338905183
It's a team game. Team. 6 players. Objectives. It's not a deathmatch
I know, this is a hard concept
Drop Mei health to 200, down from 250
Up Zenyatta health to 200, up from 150
Reduce damage absorption for Reinhardt's shield
Reduce Bastion railgun damage
Remove Tracer from the game
>Balanced heroes
Pharah
Junkrat
Winston
Reinhardt
Tracer
Mercy
Zenyatta
Reaper
>Unbalanced heroes (minor tweaks)
Genji
Soldier 76
Roadhog
McCree
Symmetra
Zarya
Hanzo
Torbjorn
>Very unbalanced heroes (major rework needed)
Lucio
Bastion
Widowmaker
Why the fuck does Mercy's ult charge so quickly?
>>338905313
It's called Scatter Arrow.
>>338905327
And with Winston its basically 6vs5 in this team game.
>>338899240
Which ones are OP. Is a team of bastions still easy to win with?
>>338905183
Winston is top tier because Widow is top tier, that's literally the only reason. He's exceptionally good at assassinating Widow and getting out alive.
>>338905183
1 Winston isn't that good
2 Winstons however are good
>>338904953
Its a shame Roadhog is frozen and is getting two shot with Mei's right click.
>>338905349
You're a retard
>play Mercy
>Tracer kills me in one magazine
>teammates don't even bother trying to kill her
I don't know if Tracer is overpowered but I hate her.
You know they are going to balance the game around competitive and not qm.
>>338905351
Because Mercy is made for people who want to play TF2 Medic but are terrible at positioning.
And her "uber" is uncounterable unless the enemy kills her first in every team fight for the rest of the match.
>>338905313
>also holy fuck give hanzo a way to defend himself in close quarters
You're kidding right? Press E, shoot the floor.
>>338904263
All of the tanks are balanced
And halo 5 is not that great of a game, they should have taken a break at 3.
>>338905382
somebody has to initiate to the objective and break the enemy lines
What hero do you think does this the best?
>>338899129
I would say that there aren't any characters in overwatch that are bad, but only a couple that are amazing (Lucio for example needs to be bludgeoned with the nerf hammer)
>>338905463
I know this feel, but it makes perfect sense. Tracers and Genji's should ALWAYS seek to get behind the team and kill off Mercy's and get out of dodge.
Why is Symmetra in support instead of defense?
>>338905546
Two Reinhardts.
>>338905369
>>338905510
>enemy has more than 100 HP
>die
thanks
>>338905606
NO FUCKING CLUE
>>338905463
>play Mercy
>Winston jumps on top of me
>Team does nothing about it
I may as well just take my hands off the keyboard and let him kill me.
>>338905463
just pick the turret drawf if there is an autistic tracer and your team isn't doing shit about it.
Just build level 2 turret on your flank and tracer is completely shutdown unless her ult is up but you just build another turret after.
>>338905606
Teliporter.
>>338905606
teleport and shields (which are fucking useless)
>>338905606
Haha she has a shield buff, haha.
>>338905384
>Is a team of bastions still easy to win with?
This guy.
To answer your actual question, Lucio is the one hero in need of some sort of nerf. Others are more powerful or less powerful, but Lucio is the only hero that is legitimately OP right now.
Bastion is likely the hero in biggest need of some sort of bugg actually.
>>338905657
>I was that winston
Damn right i'm going to kill you, that's what he does.
>>338905635
You should watch a good Hanzo. The most common tactic if you're not in an enclosed area is to run up walls, jump off and shoot arrow. Rinse and repeat. Makes you a difficult target and Hanzo hits like a truck.
>Tracer gets you with sticky bomb
>You are Genji
>Dash up to her while she detonates and she kills herself
the fucking best
>>338905608
no, he's too slow
reinhardt is good at moving the payload
winston is the best at getting to the objective / keeping the king of the hill area / getting through chokepoints
the only hero who's universally good at every situation is mcree
>make symmetras buff 50 shields
>make tracers time rewind get rid of any buffs
>>338905732
Its like Blizzard just gave up. They could buff the shield but that would make her too OP, remove it and what else would they have her do? Basically a little shit teleport bitch who can sometimes take out the odd Tracer.
>overpowered
no, any class has 2-4 counters
>underpowered
no, any class can counter 2-4 others
>>338905703
>>338905718
>>338905732
But Tor can give allies shields too and he has turrets and he is defense...
Day 1 (or 2) and they're asking what needs balancing. Hi hi hi.
>>338905791
>not reflecting it back at her
>>338905816
mcree is shit against turrets
Fucking mcree man. E into fan every time
>>338905791
>Freezing a Tracer
>Right before she ice blocks she chucks a time bomb at her feet
>Kills herself
>Freezing another tracer
>She panicks and blinks off a cliff
Making tracers panic is the best.
I know it's drastic, but I genuinely believe Tracer would be far more balanced if her time rewind doesn't return her health, just her position.
>>338905893
No he gives people armor
>>338905657
You gon take the gorilla dick like bitch and like it
If you're playing Mercy, you're basically wearing a giant sign saying, "kill me," the entire game. You're almost always primary target, and there's only so much you can do about it. It sucks, but you signed up for it.
>>338905898
Turrets are shit anyway, all 3 of them
>>338905918
>McCree coming around the corner
>ohboy.jpg
>he instinctively uses flashbang as soon as he spots you
>you are Genji
>laugh, laugh a lot
Deflecting flashbangs make my dick grow an inch every time.
>>338905861
Symmetra is actually really strong if you get within range. Her beam doesn't miss and does like 140 DPS, she kills most champs pretty damn fast.
But mostly she's just used for portal. Set it up somewhere and then swap heroes.
>>338905894
Game hasn't changed since the closed beta and it doesn't take a lot of time to realize that D.Va is fucked.
the balance seems really good all things considered. maybe nerf bastion a bit.
mei is literally perfect.
>>338905893
his turret has much bigger damage and range than poo in loo, toblerone is great since you have a long range weapon along a scatter and you can just leave armor around
you can also wreck shit with MOOOOOOOOLTEN COOOOOOOOOORE
i fucking hate overwatch and blizzard but its fun goddamnit what am i supposed to do here
>>338906009
>playing winston on king of hill llang town in china
>see solider 76 D va Roadhog and Mercy on a bridge
>monkey leap right on top of them hit ultimate and go ape shit
>play of the game is me throwing all them off the tower plus the reaper that came
Why is winston so perfect?
>>338904163
Lucio's ultimate gives a shitton of health, I had a game where it was just one lucio three soldiers, they spammed heal and tanked on king of the hill "I GOT YOU ON MY SIGHTS" holy fuck
>>338906173
why do you hate it?
>>338905894
Mei has been broken since beta, D.Va has been underpowered since beta. Competitive play will always have a Mei, and NEVER have a D.Va. Just wait.
>play semmetra
>spend 2 minutes settings up turrets
>instantly blown up by a breeze
>put down teleporter
>it gets killed in 30 seconds because people see where it is on their kill cams
this bitch is shit S H I T
>>338906173
it was fun for an entire day but not much after that
>>338902385
Her charge is way too fast, and even with minimal charging (the amount you'd get from tap firing semi automatic style) is still enough to drop every non-tank in 2 hits.
>>338906118
I hate shitters who play Torb like a TF2 engineer.
His gun is fucking nice, especially during ult. I think his right click deals 100 damage close range so you can fucking murder most things especially if you are in turret range.
He is much better if you just deploy and upgrade your shit then go on the offense instead of trying to babysit a level 2 turret.
>>338906065
>and then swap heroes
wait you can do that? the teleporter stays online?
>>338906285
There's already pro teams and a competitive meta and it doesn't include Mei. She's picked situationally.
D.Va on the other hand is definitely underpowered and is never used.
>>338905816
>the only hero who's universally good at every situation is mcree
>Shitty at long range
>Shitty when flashbang is on cooldown
>Shitty when the opponent knows where he is
>One of the only ults in the game where half the heroes have a built in hard counter to make it useless
Yeah. Totally OP.
>>338906258
>play as Mei on KOTH
>enemy team has 4 people on the point
>throw my ult in the middle of them
>Lucio uses his ult
>>338906390
Yeah. Stays up until an enemy destroys it.
>>338906258
I thought it wasnt much
then a tracer got play of the game with it
WHOOPING 500 HP
>MFW
>>338906363
>Watching kill cam
>Widowmakers sniping full auto
>One shots my mei as soon as I peek out
Fuck I hate widowmakers now, also hanzos with their fuck huge headshot hitboxes.
>>338906545
>Winston and lucio Ultra at the same time
>>338906324
>you have a full charge of your ultimate teleporter
>you are dropping turrets randomly behind doors and shit, fuck it if they die ill place 2 more somewhere else
>you're doing a great job firing orbs down hallways
>hanging out next to the mercy, a genji or tracer tries to take her out but you fucking melt them in 3 seconds without even aiming
>fucking reaper drops his ult and kills the entire pushing team
>TELEPORTER ONLINE, THE PATH IS OPENED
>WHOOMP WHOOMP WHOOMP WHOOMP
>THE PATH IS CLOSED
when you start getting good at not running into bullets and holding on to your teleporter with good communication from your team then you're fucking unstoppable
Just because symmetra is autistic doesnt mean you have to be, drop your turrets and teleporter wherever the fuck you fucking want
>>338906578
You don't know Widow pain until you play Zenyatta.
She can oneshot you with a charged bodyshot. No need for aim or headshots against Zen.
A half decent Widow will shut you down the entire game effortlessly.
>>338905384
Bastion isn't as OP as everyone seems to think. When you're still new to the game and getting to know the strengths of each character, Bastion can seem like a problem, but a lot of characters can take him out without an issue. Junkrat can lob bombs at him, Reaper can use wraith form to get to him without taking damage and snipers can obviously take him out super easily. Bastion is a super easy character to play, but once someone starts using any simple counter strategy, he's pretty much done within seconds.
>>338905760
>Lucio is the one hero in need of some sort of nerf.
I agree with this. Almost every win now comes down to
>which team has Lucio?
>if both teams have Lucio, which team has the better Lucio?
>Both teams have decent Lucio's, so now it's about the rest of the team.
We were getting mauled on Kings Row once. We, the defenders, were pushed back to the base and the enemy had like 4 minutes to finish it. Then I switched to Lucio and we won without a problem.
>>338905349
>Bastion
>Unbalanced
Spotted the shitter
>>338904336
This is how I feel about Mei. If you dont wanna get frozen then dont go bumbling in like a dipshit. The gets fucking pissed on at range.
>>338907165
I basically treat her as a backburner pyro. Fought an all mei team and I switched to phara and just rained death on them.
>>338905351
Why the fuck does Arrowchink's?
Every two seconds is YUUGATEKIWAKUROUUUUU fuck off already.
The only thing I think they should change with Bastion is his turn speed while in turret form.
His weakspot on his back side is pretty pointless when he can near instantly turn to face you.
Either reduce his turn speed or limit his turning to a certain degree arc.
