Who is the most powerful hero out of the 5 main Elder Scrolls games?
Is the Eternal Champion, Hero of Daggerfall, the Nerevarine, Hero of Kvatch or the Dragonborn?
Hero of Kvatch obviously
I bet the Hermaeus Mora empowered Dragonborn is pretty high
Lore-wise probably the dragonborn.
Game-wise nerevaine or whatever.
>>338888851
Nigger became a saint and hero of Morrowind. Most importantly he destroyed the most annoying enemy in Morrowind.
Anything else is strictly 100% wrong
>>338889172
Except they were wiped out by Jiub dumbass
>>338888454
I am.
Easily the Nerevarine since Morrowind alchemy can turn you into an unkillable god and the spell creation let's you make crazy powerful magic.
Also has the most powerful weapons and armour.
>>338889056
>Lore-wise probably the dragonborn
Neravar literally killed several deities.
HoK is actually a god.
Dragonborn can yell really loud
>>338889172extinct
Probably player character in morrowind becauseunlimited leveling
>>338889404
Leveling in Morrowind isn't unlimited.
It's somewhere around 40-50 when you hit a dead end due to all your skills reaching 100.
Hero of Kvatch, nigga 1v1s a Daedric Prince and then becomes one
Nerevarine because alchemy is hilariously broken and can give him/her ridiculously high stats
>>338889376
It's really hard to say just how powerful the dragonborn is/was until we get a sequel with some detail from book. Unless Bethesda totally fucks the pooch and doesn't add to the lore.
The Eternal champion got that really powerful staff. So he could probably kick anyones ass with that.
>>338889376
Probably because Bethesda is shit.
Tiber Spetim was dragonborn, emperor and then became a god.
Your character in Skyrim can at best end up as a henchman to Ulfric/Tullius.
>>338889552
>he doesn't know
>>338889629
Nerevarine defeated Hircine and his hounds and killed 3 other gods
>>338889849
at best you're an immortal master across several disciplines
>>338888454
From a canon/lore standpoint it's likely the Hero of Kvatch. From a gameplay standpoint it's easily the Nerevarine. You can get your damage so high in Morrowind that a basic attack from you can crash the fucking game on top of all the other crazy shit you can do like being permanently immune to magic, flying at mach 7 around the world, regenerating life faster than you can take damage. The Nerevarine from a gameplay standpoint literally becomes a god. However in canon the Hero of Kvatch becomes Sheogorath and I don't know if the Nerevarine or Dragonborn can match that.
>>338888454
>>338888780
>>338889376
>>338889629
>>338890121
It's Champion of Cyrodiil, not Hero of Kvatch
>>338888454
Lorewise, the hero of Battlespire
He faced a Deadric lord in its own realm with no help.
Gameplaywise: Nerevarine mage with exploits
>>338888780
This, he BECOMES a Daedric Lord. He's not empowered by one, he's not the champion of one, he IS one.
All Elder Scrolls heroes are insanely powerful and killed demigods on a weekly basis, but only one killed a Daedric Lord and replaced another one.
The Nerevarine:
Kills a between two and three gods
Defeats a Daedric Prince
Has all the benefits of corprus without the drawbacks
Can use a spear
>>338890408
>can use a spear
Fucking this
>>338890056
Only Hircine was a god. The Tribunal were mortal.
>>338890121
The Nerevarine bitch slapped Hircine. He/she can stand up against daedric princes
>>338890121
In canon Nerevarine slew Hircine, a deadric prince, slew Almalexia a god, and Dagoth Ur also a god, and made Vivec who is yet another god very nervous
Where is muh nigga Miirak's power level at?
>>338890081
and with all this power you literally do nothing!
Just end the dragon "menace" and decide who rules skyrim...
What a great destiny for the first dragonborn in hundreds of years.
>>338889376
>>338889056
Lorewise, Nerevar was able to subdue Wulfharth (his shouts are so damn power he could blast an entire town into the ocean, and able to 'reincarnate' after death). He was able to do it so well that Vivec had time to plant an echoing box on his head to mess with Wulfharth.
Wulfharth was defeated so soundly that it ended the Nord's invasion of Morrowind (which was in reality a invasion to claim back heart of Lorkhan
>>338890517
The distinction doesn't mean much considering those 'mortals' were capable of godlike feats such as preventing a meteor that later destroys an entire country.
>>338890501
Hircine is one of the minor deadric princes. The weaker ones seem to have a deeper connection to nirn than the major ones.
>people think the Nerevarine actually accomplished anything
Almalexia and Vivec weren't gods. And did you retards even play Bloodmoon?
>>338890359
doesn't that just make him insane with pretty much no agency?
>>338890408
The original Nerevar was able to subdue Wulfharth, who's shouts make Skyrim's Dragonborn looks like child's play. And who might be an aspect of the three identities of Talos
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>"but he defeated a god!" "he killed a god!" "he became a god!" etc
>in a setting where a "god" can be killed by a commoner poking them with a pointy stick for a while
being a "god" isn't really a big deal in Elder Scrolls. There's several NPCs that are stronger than Almalexia and Vivic in Morrowind, for example that guy with 770 luck and ebony armor
>>338890646
Well, he got shitstomped by several of my characters (all of them) so he rates about the same as Alduin. I had more trouble with Kaarstag.
>>338889849
>Tiber Spetim was dragonborn, emperor and then became a god.
NORDS GET OFF OF MY BOARD
Offtopic, but I'm having some freezing problems with morrowind on my laptop. When I enter combat and the music changes the game freezes for almost ten seconds. Turning the music off fixes it but is there any other way? Google didn't help. I have the codec patch installed.
>>338890873
Nowhere is it ever stated that Hircine is a 'lesser' daedric prince, nor that the idea of 'lesser' daedric princes is actually a thing.
>>338890878
This. Nerevaarine is really powerful but Almalexia and Vivec died due to the machinations of Azura. And Hircine let himself to be beaten because it wound't be a good hunt if the prey cannot become the hunter.
Nerevarine is a powerful agent of a Daedric prince (Azura) as much as Dragonborn is one of Hermaeus Mora.
>>338891029
Except the Nerevarine killed that guy too.
>>338889849
>Tiber Spetim
>became a god
>>338891067
I'd have to know more about your laptop. So would everyone else.
>>338888454
>Hero of Kvatch
You're basically an errand boy throughout the whole of Oblivion.
>>338891018
That's what our puny mortal mind perceives. He may be the most sane out of all of us. Dont forget old Sheoh is the strongest daedric prince.
>>338891209
Lenovo t410. I know it's crap but it runs other old games just fine.
Remember that time the 'hero' of Kvatch watched an assassin slowly open a secret door, walk across the room, and stab the emperor without doing anything to stop them?
>>338890723
>>338891021
>YSMIR, the Dragon of the North, who always appears as a great bearded king, had powers innumerable and echoing. He was grim and dark and the most silent of the invading chieftains, though when he spoke villages were uplifted and thrown into the sea. The Hortator fought him unarmed, grabbing the Dragon's roars by hand until Ysmir's power throat bled. These roars were given to Vivec to bind into an ebony listening frame, which the warrior-poet placed on Ysmir's face and ears to drive him mad and drive him away.
-The_36_Lessons_of_Vivec, Sermon 9
>the Nerevarine
>>338891209
Oh and also what version of Morrowind you have installed. If it's not the GOG version then I don't really give a shit because I can't go look for myself.
>>338891359
Have Windows 10?
>>338890770
V tells you he is a liar.
V died and the rock did not fall.
V was a con man who fooled the simplistic populace of a backwater province.
Before you claim they aren't simple minded remember they chose to live on an active volcano.
>>338890359
>He BECAME something that has been killed on multiple occasions by multiple people
>Therefore he must be the strongest
>>338891043
>>338891205
Fucking Altmers!
>>338891238
>Sheoh is the strongest daedric prince
according to whom?
the only thing we know about power levels when it comes to the daedric princes is that peryite seems relatively weak
>>338891362
HoK realized how expensive the character was becoming so he let it happen, unfortunately it didn't save the rest of the game from being bland, boring garbage that seemed to have the budget of a sandwich.
>>338891413
I never realized how fucking clean his robes are, this seems unlikely.
Alduin is above any daedra gods as you should know
TLD the one who has defeated Alduin becomes something else at that point
You guys look at this like some Dragon Ball Z power level battle. Look at it from a writer's perspective.
Funny how subtle they handled the whole deal with Mora that was funny and smart.
>>338891179
All I'm saying is that throwing around the word "god" as if it means something in regards to Elder Scrolls is stupid. They're just slightly above average wizards for the most part.
>>338891656
He has space washing machines.
Obviously the hero of Arena you fucking retards.
He gathers and combines the pieces for the Staff of Chaos that can be used to break through dimension, open Oblivion at a whim, can teleport you to wherever you want, and can shapeshift to whatever form you want even as the king.
>>338891517
the rock did fall, it just took a while for the spell to wear off. It fell down and ruined the island of Morrowind by the time of oblivion
>>338888454
Not that Bethesda will ever really do the Nerevarine justice, but knowing he/she made the journey to Akavir means he/she could be up to some really serious shit. I'd love it if we could start a new game as the nearly godlike Nerevarine, then need to change update our appearance magically and lose our equipment Metroid style.
>>338891661
Well, Bethesda fucked up Alduin. He should have been a nearly stupid difficult battle that made you have to pull out all the stops to beat him. He had the ability to end both Nirn and Sovengarde. Not even the deadric princes that wanted to could do that.
It took the intervention of Akatosh to stop mehrunes dagon. Alduin could have just done it if not for the dragonborn.
>>338891451
Steam unfortunately. Someone wrote that disabling steam overlay might fix it. I'll keep looking.
>>338891837
>Vivecs magic is so powerful it keeps a meteor suspended in the air for centuries after his death
>and Vivec is still wary of the Nerevarine
>>338891837
After punchy McPuncherson died I took a quick peeky poo out side.
Lie rock was still there.
It wasn't V.
That was just another one of his many lies.
>>338891712
FUCK
>>338891986
Word to the wise- always see if GOG has it first before you get it from steam. Those guys always have great releases with the fewest compatibility problems.
>>338891229
To be fair. The Hero of Kvatch really never does anything all that impressive on his own. His most daring feats aren't even that great compared to the other heroes. For example, he beats Mannimarco, but Nerevarine and the Dragonborn could have done that too. Outside of that, yeah, he's mostly just a powerful errand boy. But the real crux here is that the Hero of Kvatch mantles Sheogorath. Like someone else mentioned, he didn't beat Sheogorath, he didn't become his champion, he didn't take over, he's literally Sheogorath at the end. This puts him in a realm of unknown power.
>>338891912
A game exploring the culture and races of Akavir would be interesting. There is a lot to work with there. Starting off as a prisoner from Tamriel with added races of Akavir would be cool. What would the main be quest be?
>>338891912
My Nerevarine was still trading Artifacts for lap dances at the House of Earthly Delights right up to when the island blew up.
After that he took his Nord ass home to Skyrim.
He has no idea where that Akavir shit started.
Daggerfall's hero had a tough life. No matter what ending he picks he gets crushed by the Numidium. And despite his efforts, some drug addict loser comes along and says "duuuuuuude, all of the endings are canon, wooooah".
>>338891123
>Vivec
>dead
>>338890280
>Lorewise, the hero of Battlespire
So Divayth Fyr? He's up there, and I think he understands the nature of reality much better than the player characters - any of them - but he's not more powerful.
The Nerevarine was a a secret fucking agent for the Emperor while also being a rockstar with fans all over the world, and who stuck it to the bigwigs trying to keep his fans down.
The 'Hero' of Kvatch is only remembered for that time he 'saved' a town that had already been completely destroyed, and the Dragonborn killed a bunch of lizards and could scream really loud.
>>338892330
Skyrim had better graphics and physics anyways. It was the smart move.
>>338892380
Pick two.
>>338891584
Jyggalag was the most powerful daedric prince, so much so that the other daedric princes conspired and turned him into Sheogorath. It's only when the Greymarch comes around does ol' Jygg get free. Sheogorath is literally Jyggalag with daedric amnesia. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Jyggalag
>>338891584
Former Sheo
e;g Jyggalag.
All of the other Daedric princes banded together to make him Sheogorath. Cause he was the Oblivion fun police.
>>338892260
Something for MK or any of the old TES writing team to come up with. If it does include MK they'll need to put him on a tight leash, but not too tight.
>>338889282
Champion of Cyrodiil can wield armour that gives him 100% reflect damage/spelldamage.
>>338891205
Please stop altmerposting. Don't you have religions to persecute?
Is everybody in this thread 8 years old and posting from mobile on a playground somewhere? This thread is batman vs. superman-tier.
>>338888454
>Hero of Kvatch
He's the fucken Mad God now, how do you top that?
Daggerfall's hero is literally just a normal person. That's why he's the best.
>>338892393
Fyr didn't seem to understand wearing the only suit of complete Daedric armor in front of me would not go well for him.
If he just had the option to give me a pauldron he would have made it.
>>338892659
epic
>>338892162
Yeah I've bought games from gog before but I got this one years ago before I knew about gog. Might just pirate the gog release.
>>338892219
Fair point. But in the main story it all would have played out the same even if the Hero of Kvatch hadn't been there. Baurus could've easily taken the Amulet of Kings to Juafrey and the Juafrey could've either sent Baurus or some other random Blade to go get Martin and the Mysterium Arxese. But you are right about the DLC.
>>338892659
There are some decent posts but most people don't know the lore and start fucking around with min-maxing from the games.
>>338892608
Nerevarine only needs a ring to do that
>>338892659
Funny, because the topic is a batman vs superman tier argument
Please remember that Sheggy's power is split in twixe, twice. His other half has fucked off, and he is split down the middle between his two personallity sides. Naturally, if he could get his shit together he'd be very strong but that goes against his, well, nature.
Neverarine defeated a 1/3rd of a daedric gods power in fair 1/1 combat, as well as 2-3 demi-gods lapping at the power of one of the dualities of the universe, though you could debate Ur since he didn't really fight "him".
He's the mantle of/mantling Nerevar who as others have said fucked up a Dragonborn super hard in the past. If he is still a avatar/tool of Azura is unknown. He's probably still pissed off about how shit that final ring was.
Nerevarine also had the Sermons left for him with the hints in them, weither he used them or not is unclear.
>>338892723
You mean he's one of those things the Nerevarine defeated?
CHIM
>>338892732
So is the Hero of Kvatch you spesh.
>>338892905
Must've missed the part where Nerevarine defeated a daedric lord's stronger half
>>338892014
In the story, Vivec wasn't killed by Nerevarine. He lived on until shortly before Oblivion, before being kidnapped by Molag Bal, in which case the meteor did immediately resume falling.
It was stopped temporarily by a machine that kept the meteor suspended, as long as it was fed enough souls, but eventually, that machine also failed to stop the meteor falling.
>>338892905
Uhhhh...
>>338891985
>implying the Dragonborn wasn't Akatosh intervening
>>338893163
>before being kidnapped by Molag Bal,
wait what
I thought he muatra'd Azura in the semi-canon trial, then fucked off
>>338891362
Are you sure that emperor didn't "freeze" you in place, or something? The emperor was clearly ready to die and his plans were already set. Maybe he was just protecting you
>>338893410
He wasn't.
>>338893163
Lets be real here. Vivec probably was killed by Nerevarine. Then he wasn't. Then he raped Azura. Fucking Vivec.
>>338891720
I seriously doubt that more than 5 people in this thread, or maybe /v/ in general, have played Daggerfall and especially Arena. These are really Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim threads.
>All these people bragging about killing 'gods' and 'princes'
That ain't shit. Nerevarine killed THIRTY ONE (31) 'Hound of Hircine's, which could tear through your fancy 'artifact' shields and Daedric plate armor in three hits and open you like a tin can.
>>338893410
Here we go again with game mechanics.
It was coded so that you couldn't move because your character could have dropped their asses and then it would have glitched out before you finished character creation.
>>338893310
He did. Then got kidnapped by Molag Bal right afterwards, because Molag Bal wanted his waifu back.
>>338893530
I've tried like a motherfucker to play Daggerfall (it's still on my hard drive) but I can't be fucked to do the special dance it takes to get out of the starting area.
>>338893510
That sounds about right
>>338892783
Morrowindfags believe you should genuflect before posting in a Morrowind thread.
They are a touchy lot.
>>338893798
what is the source for this
The real question is, which hero slayed more rats and mudcrabs? That is the true power test, not these puny "daedra" or "gods". Imagine how many pests there would be if not for our brave heroes. The number of innocent lives they would have saved would be at least in the tens
Nobody else had access to magic items anywhere close to as strong as The Nerevarine.
The Royal Signet Ring alone puts him well outside the power level of any of the others.
>>338894159
What's the best way to acquire that ring anyways? Just bash him over the head with insane strength?
>>338891661
Hermaeus Mora: "At last, the Skaal yield up their secrets to me."
Storn: "You... liar... gah! ... I won't... not... for you..."
Frea: "Do something!"
Hermaeus Mora: "Dragonborn, you have delievered me the gift I requested. In return, I keep my promise, as befits a Prince of Oblivion: I give you the Word of Power that you need to challenge Miraak. You will be either a worthy opponent or his successor, as the tides of fate decree."
Storn: "Nooo..."
Frea: "Father! What have you done! Go. My father sacrificed himself so that you could destroy Miraak and lift his master's shadow from the land. Go, then. Kill Miraak. Do not fail."
My favorite moment in the entire TES series.
There is no question about it we(the players) know TLD's "fate" but in game they leave it unresolved obviously.
Like I said earlier it's all in the writing you are above Daedra gods at that point in the timeline that's why it doesn't make any sense at all for a character like TLD to become a daedra's puppet. And that's why I think it's brilliant the way they handled the whole situation.
Also Frea's voice actress was really on point in this scene.
>>338894050
Yeah, lets hear it for the REAL heros of Tamriel!
The city guards.
>>338893163
Bethesda came up with Dragonbreaks so that the players choice from Daggerfall happened.
If a player killed V during Morrowind V is dead in that players world.
V showing up in a quote during a loading screen is a close as he will get to returning to TES.
>>338893920
Trial of Vivec for him disappearing right after raping Azura.
Rumors from Oblivion NPCs that he was kidnapped by Daedra. Considering Vivec spent a while married to Molag Bal, it'd make sense that it was Molag Bal.
>>338889552
c'mon bud. try harder. hell even oblivion had non-glitch method of unlimited leveling
>>338894050
>>338894413
SAINT JIUB
>>338894384
>filename
What is the joke here?
>>338894596
That rumor was being spread by the temple to cover V's death.
That is how TES works both can be true.
The Real Answer?Whichever one is foretold to win in the Elder Scroll
Unless one of them gained CHIM- which the nerevar would be the most likely of the heroes to learn it.
>>338895230
I'd say that whichever hero can read the elder scrolls probably wins the prize. My memory is particularly good enough to remember which ones could.
>>338896186
*isn't
>>338894843
what joke anon?
It's a very important scene concerning TLD as a character. that why the >filename
>>338896186
The Dragonborn can, I think there was some quest where you do
Though I do wonder if the CoC/Sheogorath can
Didn't Vivec rape the Daedric prince of rape?
>>338895230
Hoonding VS Elderscroll prediction. What the FUCK would happen? Is that unstoppable force vs immovable object logic?
>>338896361
what does it have to do with "attention to detail" though
is there some subtlety i'm missing
inb4 you also get tentacles around you when you open the books
>>338896459
Vivec retconned reality to get consensually dismembered and raped by Molag Bal
>No game centered around Redguards and sword singing
>Can't level your smithing enough to create the equivalent of a nuclear weapon that sinks landmasses
So are we in agreement that hero of kvatch is the weakest then?
>>338896912
He's most definitely does the least.
>>338896912
If you want to be murdered by a cheese wheel, sure
>>338896438
Doesn't th e dragon born read them on 2 different occasions?
>one before fighting alduin for the first time
>once again to obtain the sun bow in dawnguard
>>338897020
Yeah my bad should have probably put that instead, he can be strong but he doesn't do anything compared to the others
>>338891656
Force Clean, secret sith technique that he learned from vader while jerking off in his lonely island cave
>>338896912
inb4 he's strongest because he's Sheogorath
inb4 legions of plebs misconstrue mantling
I feel that the dragon born entering the soul cairn causing havoc by killing 3 keepers and a dead dragon prison warden and coming out alive should count for something
>>338897072
Right, as I recall the dragonborn could read them like a copy of Duck Duck Boat. I mean Bethesda keeps scaling up the gravity of the hero in the story without just letting the player do it themselves.
>>338896638
ah right the subtle part
>You will be either a worthy opponent or his successor, as the tides of fate decree.
This is the only clue we get from the writers regarding TLD's fate and at the same time they basically gave it away ^see my previous posts for that
>>338897634
Not really. Messing with Oblivion realms is pretty much standard for all adventurers.
>>338897839
you have very low standards
>>338898081
why did you leave /tesg/ you slut
>>338898081
plus a bunch of hist addled geckomen fucked up a daedric realm far more than any MC could have.
>>338890121
This is what I was thinking, but you can become invulnerable to enemy damage in Oblivion too, you're just more limited by the shittier spell/item crafting.
>>338898301
because he's /fog/'s waifu now
>>338898301
Far too much shitposting. /tgesg/ threads are better.
>>338898514
hope they're enjoying their sloppy seconds
Would you guys be ok with TES VI being a heavy political game?
toning down the over the top power fantasy
If Nerevarine is allowed to use alchemy then he is the most powerful by far.
>>338898704
We are. Why so tsundere?
>>338898981
Yes.
>>338898704
He's not going to come back to you.
>>338898981
I'd be fine with it, but I don't really trust their current writers with it. It's probably better if it stays the course as an over the top power fantasy. Now if another company could use the IP and do something more political, that would be much better.
>>338898981
I say "no" simply because Bethesda would fail at it horribly. You're probably imagining something with an intricate plot, where dialogue choices and taking certain missions heavily impacts the outcome and character relations. Now that you've imagined this glorious game, remember what the civil war was like in Skyrim. Remember what the dialogue is like in Fallout 4. Morrowind had some good intrigue, but those days are long gone.
>Talos.
>The HoonDing.
>Trinimac.
>Vivec.
>Leki.
>Reman.
>Auri-El.
>Wulfharth.
>Morihaus.
>Pelinal.
"That's my list, and pretty much in that order. Though Vivec did kill Tiber Septim once...but I mentioned Talos, not the Emperor." Michael Kirkbride
>>338899331
OBSIDIAN TES6 WHEN?
>>338899437
Why is Cuckbride such an insufferable pillock.
>>338899437
Reman over Auri-El, Wulfharth, and Pelinal? Really? Maybe if you count his army too, but as a single man?
>>338899437
Sounds about right.
>>338899539
Drugs probably.
>>338899602
Reman is still technically a god, and a crazy one too.
Auriel has been depowered since Morrowind
>>338899661
you work for bethesda right, where's the next TES taking place?
>>338900391
Outer space.
>>338900391
Hammerfell.
>>338888454
Nerevarine.
>>338900391
Skyrim
>>338900996
That would be ballsy straight up continuing the Civil War storyline
>>338900482
since the whole thing is just a giants dream what would space even look like? can you escape the dream?
>>338901268
>what would space even look like
Take sovngarde's sky and ramp it up a few bits.
>>338901268
>a giant
LOL
>>338901391
im not savvy on the TES lore, i just had my friend tell me about it. I know its either a giant or the big planet you see in the sky thats creating all this shit in a dream
>>338891205
>>338891043
When will the Thalmor fuck off and learn about CHIM?
>>338900952
im going to need to know more about this picture
>>338901268
>can you escape the dream?
>>338901350
>sovngarde's sky
Speaking of
Is this Anu?
>>338901687
They need to deCHIM the lore in the next game.
C0DAfags trend towards insufferable.
Say the Ehlnofay taught certain Dragonborns the secret syllable CHIM and Tiber CHIM RO DAHed the jungle away.
>>338902069
Everything is Anu.
>>338902069
Nah.
Anu and padomay are outside the outer space of outer aetherious.
>>338901995
thicc=/=fat
STOP RUIN THICC REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>338901557
>big planet in the sky
that's lorkhan's corpse
>>338902159
why am i looking at Cyrodiil
>>338902490
You're not
>>338902335
Would you?
>>338902519
but that's clearly Cyrodiil on th emoon
>>338902159
TATTERDEMALION WHEN REEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>338902610
cancelled ;^)
>>338902667
>338902667
>>338902610
>cancelled
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Nerevarine did not "beat" Hircine, he beat one of his aspects. He literally says that it would not be a fair fight if he were to use all his power. It was not a real duel.
SAY IT WITH ME
THE ELDER SCROLLS VI: AKAVIR
I want the next game on hammerfell, so I can study and give hope to an jaded old men, the last of the sword singers, and learn the one ancient art capable of changing the war againt the thalmor arch wizards: Getsuga Tenshou
>>338903775
>you will never fold your steel one billion times and wipe out continents with your blade
>>338903768
Akavir is not Tamriel m8. Bethesda won't do it unless they are desperate. Which they will never be. They are not a Jew controlled company.
I had a thought the other day while playing Skyrim with my plethora of lewd mods.
What if there were multiple "main paths" through the story?
I was thinking along these lines: the normal Dragonborn stuff and naturally absorbing souls could be but one "path" you choose to complete the game. Which would align with a warrior-style path.
What if there was a separate questline where you are not the Dragonborn but some unnaturally gifted mage that has found a way to trap the dragon souls into special soulgems for your own use? Which would lead to a different approach to the main content of the game.
I don't know how lore friendly such an idea is, but I would just like maybe three different "main quest" pathways that you could choose from to fit with the main three class archetypes.
>>338902610
at this point, never
>>338904469
When you seek entrence in the Hall of Valor Tsun asks you by what right that's your choice for a character archetype.
>>338905156
Yeah but that is pretty minor overall.
Like when applying for the Mage College and they ask you what school you focus on, and then you have to cast a spell from that school to get in.
Tiber Septim is the obvious answer.
>>338905817
>Tiber Septim
>A god
Nice try Nord fuck I'm on to your schemes
>>338905817
Talos is a gestalt of three individuals.
>>338906201
But is he REALLY, when they were all just Lorkhan?
>>338906292
Isn't Lorkhan the real force behind Khajiit?
I heard that Azura made them to begin with, but by binding them to the Lunar Lattice they are effectively under Lorkhan's direct influence. Thus the reason for all the shit involving Khajiit and the moon.
Are Khajiit the chosen peoples?
>>338905817
>nords worship an imperial as a god
How cucked can you be
>>338906767
Lorkhan favors anyone who isn't a whiny bitch trying to upload themselves to a robot or unmake reality
>>338907089
So the Dwemer and the fucking disgusting Altmer are the true enemies then.
>>338907208
Yeah
>>338907036
Tiber Septim was Breton, though Wulfharth was Nord
You are the Dragonborn there's no way around it. That's the prophecy Alduin Akatosh Dovahkiin all connected.
You need the soul so you can master your thu'um in order to have a chance to defeat Alduin.
A Dragonborn kills dragons and absorbs their souls and power directly. There isn't much you can do with soul trapped dragon souls they're not going to shout Dragonrend for you that's for sure.
>>338888454
An even better question would be what is the cannon race of each games hero?
>>338908127
The one representing the region the game is set in. What even is this question?
>>338891029
The heros of these games are all Shezarine which makes them much more than a commoner with a stick
>>338908127
>>338908302
>Not Morrowind - Nord, Oblivion - Altmer - Skrim - Dunmer
>>338888454
>Who is the most powerful hero out of the 5 main Elder Scrolls games?
You
So if elder scrolls are indestructible does that mean you could use one as a weapon to some effect?
>>338908127
Goddamn I forgot how fucking hideous Oblivion was.
The fucking Bosmer don't even have the soulless black eyes.
Wait why don't TESO Bosmer have black eyes either? And the Dunmer don't have red eyes either.
>>338906201
>trinity
So, he's actual god?
>>338908484
what the fuck are you rambling about
>>338908791
Correct.
>>338908731
You probably wouldn't be able to use it long before it disappears and materializes somewhere else
>>338908817
>what the fuck are you rambling about
>What is the canon race of each games' hero
>Suggests a race for three games
Gee, I wonder.
>>338908731
I imagine it would hurt pretty bad if you smacked someone on the head with it.
>>338908731
No but they'd make for a solid choice of armor.
>>338888454
Dragonborn is probably the weakest until you fix the schizo problem
>>338908731
You would probably be better off opening it in front of someone to blind them, then stab them while they are incapacitated.
>>338908127
ESO is better than oblivion but just barely. Holy fuck.
>>338891536
No one has effectively killed a daedric lord, shit in oblivion at the very end of the game a guy had to turn into a FUCKING DRAGON just to banish the avatar of a daedric lord back to his realm
>>338894384
why was dragonborn so much better than the base game
why the fuck does bethesda only put effort into their DLCs?
>>338909092
>>338909078
>>338909017
Such versatility!
>>338908127
Probably the race of the setting of the game
Arena - Imperial
Daggerfall - Breton
Morrowind - Dunmer
Oblivion - Probs imperial etc...
Skyrim - Nord
What are the Cannon Races of each Game
>>338909569
Not Orcs until Morrowind, mos def.
>>338908127
Morrowind's is Male Dark Elf
Oblivion is Male Imperial
Skyrim is Male Nord
this is canon
So were the tsaesci literal snake people or what? Has this been expanded upon?
>>338909569
Well Nerevar was specifically killed in a fashion where he could reincarnate as any race and any sex.
And the hero of Cyrodiil is effectively a Daedric Prince and thus has no predetermined form
Not sure about Skyrim, Arena, or Daggerfall. Daggerfall was most likely Breton though I suppose.
Wasn't the PC of Skyrim caught trying to cross the border? Based on the southern border being the closest to Helgen I suppose either a Nord trying to leave Skyrim or an Imperial trying to enter it.
Don't hero's belon to akatosh, so how can daedric Lords claim them?
>>338909954
Considering how diverse the Empire is though, wouldn't it make sense it could be any race trying to enter it?
>>338910043
The same way you can forfeit your soul to multiple Daedric princes, and also forfeit your soul to the Void.
None of them can claim you, but they think they can.
>>338910237
Oh good. I just figured the princes would realize this.
>>338910043
Shit gets a bit silly in Skyrim.
You can simultaneously owe your soul to a bunch of Daedric shit such as Hircine (werewolf) and Nocturnal (Thieves Guild questline) and Hermaeus Mora (Dragonborn DLC)
While at the same time you are the fucking Dragonborn and don't owe anybody shit
And you can reach Sovengarde so that throws shit into even more confusion
>>338909954
>Daggerfall was most likely Breton though I suppose.
I wouldn't necessarily think so, since the Emperor sends you to Daggerfall as his agent.
>Based on the southern border being the closest to Helgen I suppose either a Nord trying to leave Skyrim or an Imperial trying to enter it.
I'm not sure about the other backgrounds (I think some of them imply you were trying to enter Skyrim, but not all) but as a Nord they definitively state you were caught trying to come home to Skyrim.
>>338910123
I suppose, but I usually associate the Empire with either Nords or Imperials. Though Orcs have been a figment of the Empire military for a while also.
Then again I'm not sure how the Great War affected the demographics of the Empire before the start of Skyrim. High Elves probably weren't too popular all things considered.
>>338910043
>>338910123
>>338910237
>>338910347
>>338910432
>optional content not associated with the main quest
>being pertinent
The Last Dragonborn belongs to Herma-Mora. This is indisputable.
>>338910664
But anon I don't want to get molested by tentacles of forbidden knowledge
>>338910792
Guess you shouldn't have opened Sutter Cane's book, then.
Every time I see one of these threads I go in believing I have at least a cursory understanding of the lore, and come out having no idea at all and thinking none of it makes any sense.
>>338911017
Here friend have this.
Also if you want some truly whacky lore look into C0DA
>>338909886
the impression most people have is that they have snake bodies+vaguely asian looking heads, with some snake-ish features (eye colour, tongue, etc)
>>338911325
c0da isn't actual lore
it's a euphemism for headcanon
>>338911450
Well fuck. Shows how much I understand I guess.
>>338910664
>optional content not associated with the main quest
You mean like downloadable content unrelated to the main quest?
>>338902593
Perfection
>>338909886
snek
they have snek cloaca
>>338910664
>The Last Dragonborn belongs to Herma-Mora. This is indisputable.
That's what he wants you to think.
>>338911325
The only thing I really want to know is what happened to all of the Khajiit born during the Void Nights. Would they all turn into the same species?
I just hope this isn't Bethesda laziness so they can use the same model for all Khajiit in TESIV: Elsweyr and still set it up lorewise.
>>338911717
They have their own main quest lines that explicitly reference your identity re: base game MQ. This is how Bethesda always works.
>>338911947
Oh, to be sure. Miraak was about to escape. But he has some vaguely-defined hold, possibly just being inextricably linked to Apocrypha,
>>338890056
>defeated Hircine and his hounds
He didn't, Hircien purposedly depowered himself as you only fight 1 aspect of your choosing
>>338900996
That concept art looks so much cooler than what we got.
>>338889376
Nerevarine. In all senses, a living god.
>Immortal
>Disease and Poison free
>Favored by all Daedra
>Kills at least two deities
>>338890646
>Pussy mask
>>338912668
Octopussy mask.
>>338911778
Sneks a best.
>>338912075
I want them to find out that the Thalmor had nothing to do with bringing the moons back.
>>338912542
>kill
>deity
lel
If it was a deity, you didn't kill it
If you killed it, it wasn't a deity
i.e. Dagoth Ur and the Tribunal weren't deities, and actual gods like Hircine never permanently die
Wait do people actually PLAY Skyrim?
I thought it was just a getting raped to death by stacked female orc simulator
Will the last Elder Scrolls game see the amaranth be achieved?
When will we actually get TES Tamriel?
And when will we get a titty slider?
>>338892767
>Might just pirate the gog release.
C'mon anon. These guys go through all the trouble to make games run good on your shit ass toaster and you repay them by stealing the games? Fuck man you can't even afford a 10 dollar game? Your parents must be paying for your internet.
>>338912075
Wouldn't fucking surprise me considering the retcon that Cyrodiil got.
Literally a single short paragraph and suddenly all of Cyrodiil went from a hellish jungle into a generic European fantasy forest, with wildlife to match.
Beth would just say something silly like "the Lunar Lattice became fixated on a single phase for a long ass time and thus all Khajiit in Elsweyr are all the same"
Neravarine. Because he can fly. Champion of Cyrodil and Dragonborn can't fly. Hell, Dragonborn can't even jump good.
>>338913137
We already got a TES Tamriel.
Its called Arena.
>>338913351
>>338913137
>they haven't played TES:O
Good for you.
>>338913137
Bethesda would never willingly end the cash cow that is TES, and I don't think they could ever come up with anything as interesting as already established TES lore. Also dedicating a part of the main story to a very abstract metaphysical concept that 90% of fans don't know anything about wouldn't work at all. A new amaranth would be a bad idea.
>>338907089
that's secretly the reason imperials and orcs are somewhat bros in the lore right? both believe that the fundamental reason of the world is trascendance trough struggle
>>338913632
I Google amaranth and am even more confused because I read a chat log involving who I think was Kirkbride trying to explain it but it didn't make any god damn sense.
>>338915508
Everything takes place in some godhead's dream (think the Whale from Link's Awakening). Amaranth is becoming the godhead of a new dream.
>>338914013
Isn't that the same for Redguard? They have this train your sword skills, so you can cut open reality and fuck off into a better existence thing going on.
>>338915707
Thanks for summing it up, but why would you want to become the godhead? Why not be a waking god instead? Is it possible to wake the godhead?
>>338888454
Caius says he's fed up with heroes. The Empire keeps sending them out here to the provinces to 'civilize' things. The fools don't seem to realize that their 'destinies' are being created by historical processes. And they're too ignorant and impatient to understand it. So Caius sends you to me, hoping you'll be different. Poor Caius. So many disappointments. Caius and I always argue over the role of the individual in history. Is the individual shaped and controlled by history? Or can an exceptional individual shape history? Are individuals carried in the stream? Or do they dam and divert the flow? I say Tiber Septim changed the world. Caius says that Tiber Septim was a product of his time, and if he hadn't lived, some other person would have served his function. What about you? Are you going to change the world? Or just be carried by the flow?
>>338913001
>actual gods like Hircine never permanently die
They probably can, just not through conventional means. Major celestial events or a collapse of their dimension could probably erase a deadric prince
Technically the Numidium is the most powerful entity in the entire universe. Every time it activates, it basically breaks reality.
>Bethesda's swan song
>Last Elder Scrolls game
>Set in Tamriel
>You play as an Elder Scrolls hero dealing with the end times and an Akaviri invasion
>The Nerevarine sailed back from Akavir leading the invasion
>Dragonborn rallied his loyal dragons and ushered in the true end times, taking Alduin's place as the Devourer.
>Meanwhile the hero of Kvatch hatched his ultimate plan and conquered the planes of Oblivion as a full powered Jyggalag/Sheoh Prince. He is invading Tamriel from Oblivion.
>The Altmer are rising, destroying reality as Talos is weakening.
>You are a random prisoner escaping an Akaviri/Thalmor/Dragon cult prison.
>You must deal with all this.
>>338915821
>To wake the godhead?
Yes. don't listen to >>338915707 he's full of shit.
Achieving amaranth is basically like the Godhead and all the beings in the godhead waking up and achieving chim,it's sort of like a group Chim.
>>338915821
Probably to be higher on the importance level. It seems like plenty of gods know about the godhead and are content with their position, but I'm not really sure.
It's implied that it is possible to awaken (I'm pretty sure it's part of the reason Alduin eats the world every now and then), and that in the event that it does, the TES universe would cease to exist.
>>338916538
>group Chim
That would be a good thing, right?
>>338916668
No.
>hehehehe enlightenment is a good thing! ;^)
>>338916538
>all the beings in the godhead waking up and achieving chim
That's bullshit though. Kirkbride has confirmed that Amaranth has already been achieved once before and there aren't millions of CHIM wielding super gods running around. The entirety of this godhead's dream started with just Anu and everything spawned from there.
>>338890657
Hey it's not like Dragonborn become Emperors or something. With some sort of..... personal guard... sworn to serve them..... thats also based on ancient dragonslayers.... that end up.... doing nothing... and attacking the Dragonborn their order is sworn to serve... if he doesn't do what they wantr him to.... Oh.
>>338892408
HoK also 'helped' Sean Bean and Akatosh save all of Cyrodil before taking down Sheogorath and becoming the mad god himself.
>>338916668
>presumably
>>338916797
>“You in the Fourth Era have already witnessed many of the attempts at reaching the final subgradient of all AE, that state that exists beyond mortal death. The Numidium. The Endeavor. The Prolix Tower. CHIM. The Enantiomorph. The Scarab that Transforms into the New Man.”
>The New Man becomes God becomes Amaranth, everlasting hypnogogic. Hallucinations become lucid under His eye and therefore, like all parents of their children, the Amaranth cherishes and adores all that is come from Him.
>Someone has achieved amaranth
Source motherfucker,since this makes it pretty clear that all attempts so far have failed. The Dwemer tried to with Numidium
>>338908127
God ESOs models have no personality to them
>>338916445
>The Imperial agent of Daggerfall, long thought to have died, actually mantled the Brass Golem and woke up from his slumber with an army of Dwemmer.
>The Eternal champion returned, and although not powerful enough to save Tamriel, is guiding your path.
>Brass Golem wreaks havok in the West, Akavir invades the east, Thalmor subjugates the South, Dragons conquered the north and Shegorath "returned home" to Cyrodill.
How powerful would the hero need be to defeat all of this menace?
Why do the Akavir and others keep trying to conquer Tamriel, but never the other way around?
>>338917750
A septim tried to take akavir,took 2 cities and got btfo.
>>338915792
yeah, and the khajiit with their drug fueled mystiscism also align with the ideals of Lorkhan.
>>338917750
http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Report:_Disaster_at_Ionith
>>338917563
>tgm
there, got ya my famalam
>>338908127
>>338917463
That picture is misleading in that every race is set to the youngest age, and therefore have the smoothest skin. Nudging the slider even once or twice to the right removes that doll-like look.
>>338908127
Did Bethesda not come up with actual cat-people part of Khajiit until after Daggerfall?
The real question is, Is TES Renewal vaporware yet?
So how long until they make it so that Fallout and TES are in the same universe?
>>338896910
>He didn't fortify restoration in Skyrim
>>338919410
Who cares? OpenMW is more important.
>>338919475
Nirnroot is the glowing weed in Fallout, and a dead Nord is apparently in the new Doom.
Clearly got a Bethesda cinematic-vidya universe in the making.
The Nerevarine with 100+ bottles of Skooma could take on anyone..
>>338888454
Warp in the West>All that other bullshit
Hero of Daggerfall fucked up time and shit
>>338919475
Fallouts already have code referring to TES classes and magic schools.
And based on the bullshit present in FO4 magic might as well be canon in Fallout now.
>Every ending of Daggerfall is canon at the same time
Then who the fuck is the Mannimarco we fight in Oblivion? Based on Daggerfall endings Mannimarco becomes essentially godlike, thus the high elf fag we easily murder in Oblivion cannot possibly be the actual Mannimarco.
>>338919813
Clearly just a little easter egg. Pardon my graphics, can barely run this shit.
>>338920014
That's just because the Fallouts use the same engine
>>338920130
Punished venom Mannimarco
>>338920130
Every ending is canon. That means Mannimarco became a god and didn't become a god. In fact, the Necromancer's Moon in Oblivion IS Mannimarco in god form.
So you've got Mannimarco leading a cult that worships himself and makes black soul gems when the moon version of himself shines in the sky.
>>338911450
its both
>>338920321
So the Mannimarco we butcher in Oblivion is some imposter trying in vain to mantle the actual Mannimarco who became the necro moon?
>>338920397
No. Like I just said, it's non-moon Mannimarco
>>338888851
Praise be to Jiub the true hero of Morrowind for removing the actual blight that crippled the land.
>>338920490
>>338920397
>>338920351
Reminder that TESO turned Mannimarco into Molag Bals fuccboi
>>338920603
Yeah but at least it makes sense that Mannimarco, after failing over and over and over and over and over again, gets humbled by his experiences so by Daggerfall's time is actually being courteous and just asking the player to make them a god.
Then he succeeds, which validates his ego and he's back to being an ass.
Skyrim would have been better if the main plot was about the civil war and the dragonborn legend was just a side quest that showcased nord mythology and culture.
>>338920575
And then he gets molested by Daedric hordes shortly after and ends up in the soul cairn
Being Jiub is suffering
>>338920575
It was the Nerevarine that probably inspired him to do something good.
>>338920724
Bethesda literally cut about half of Skyrim to meet the 11/11/11 gimmick release date.
The Civil War was extremely cut; to the point where it only focuses on the battle of Whiterun instead of battling for each keep individually for a particular side.
A mod on Nexus that restores all the Civil War functionality is only about 5 MB in size.
>>338920917
It's also buggy and broken as hell, and doesn't actually restore most of the functionality, instead just doing whatever the author could barely implement.
Champion of Cyrodiil > Nerevar > Dragonborn
>>338891205
Oh fuck I haven't seen laughingelfman in ages. Why does he sniff his finger?
>>338921009
And its more than Beth ever bothered to implement.
I'm pretty sure its impossible to lose the battle of Whiterun in the base game.
>>338921087
A shitty implementation isn't better than no implementation.
>>338912075
>tojay-raht
How does this shit even worknot like that I'll tell you what
>>338920681
Yeah that makes sense. Doesn't ESO take place way in the past compared to the normal TES series?
>>338921196
Way in the past yeah. Mannimarco tried to screw over Bal in it, lost horribly. So his motivation has always largely been "become a god", it's just now he finally realize that if some prisoner who screams 1-word sentences at you comes along, you'd be better kowtow and be nice or else you'll end up decorating their throne room.
>>338921135
If Beth bothered to put in some effort we would have maybe had an actual Civil War instead of relying on a hack of a restoration mod plus Immersive Patrols to create an actual civil war experience.
Those maps of all the Empire/Stormcloak holdings in every jarl's hold probably weren't meant for just decoration.
>Keep getting killed by a fucking Nord in a cave that wields a two-handed axe.
FUCKING MAGES GUILD QUESTS
>>338921196
ESO is set about 700 years before Arena and Daggerfall.
>>338921397
>Brhuce
Sweet fuck its literally Trainwiz
Whens the next TES coming out baby
>>338921737
There is no more TES. It's all gone.
>>338898081
Holy shit he's alive
Playing Morrowind without Patch Project or Code Patch is awful.
>>338920397
No, its the Manny that didn't ascend to godhood. The one that did is the power he trying to intake and control.
The Morrowind prophecy is actually kind of sad when you think about it. The Nerevarine is jesus reborn basically.
>>338920735
If my last playthrough was any indication, he did. Got really high and just enchanted my acrobatics and speed up and jumped from mountain top to mountain top one shotting the bastards for fun.
>>338921992
Vivec is a dick. This is canon.
Alma is a bitch. This is also canon.
I think Sotha Sil kinda regretted his actions but didn't live long enough to do anything about it,
Being Nerevar is suffering.
>do Dark Brotherhood quests
>contract on housecarl in Falkreath
>introduce myself to him, because that's how I roll
>freaks out and screams for help
>nobody comes to help him
>kill him right in front of the Jarl
>no bounty
Did the Jarl want his housecarl dead?
>>338921771
Never died, just been busy and never caught one of these threads in time.
>>338921992
Resdayn's history is pretty shitty
>dwemer/chimer go to war with the nords
>chimer/dwemer go to war with each other
>empire tries to conquer the dunmer, fight one of the longest, bloodiest wars in history
>dunmer fight off dagoth ur
>dunmer get invaded by orcs and nords during the oblivion crisis
>moon falls on vivec
>red mountain explodes
>massive argonian invasion
>Can wipe out the dickass Dark Brotherhood in Skyrim
>Cannot wipe out the retarded thieves guild in Riften no matter what
>Fucking Maven is literally essential and becomes the leader of Riften in the course of that Thalmor negotiation quest
Why is this allowed. Fuck everything related to the Skryim Thieves Guild. It doesn't even focus on fucking thievery.
>>338922114
Yeah and he is probably selflessly helping people on Akavir using his powers for good.
>>338892782
Whats the difference? It's still 100% reflect damage.
Besides if we're talking gameplay wise the one who lands command humanoid first will be the winner anyway.
>>338922610
Easily CoC, since all he has to do is wear the cowl of gray fox and Nerevarine won't know what hit him.
>tfw you begin to understand TES lore slightly
This shit is much deeper than what is presented in the games.
>>338889552
Pro tip:skill enchantment over 100, then training.
>Mannimarco was the first Lich
Neat
>>338897439
I dunno man, mantling a daedric prince and ruling over their own domain as a god for centuries-and-counting is a rather high score, don't you think?
What's the point of mantling something greater (like, say..lorkhan) if it just results in relatively-immediate death?
Not to mention, you know, the whole pelinal situation.
>>338922124
So did you end up getting hired by Bethesda
>>338909243
>a FUCKING DRAGON
OH NO NOT THAT THINGS WHOSE ASS GETS STOMPED IF SOMEONE WITH AN IRON SWORD AND DECENT TIMING FIGHTS IT
>>338891720
But can he teleport behind you?
>All these words I don't understand
Thanks, Elder Scrolls lore.
>>338924603amaranth
>>338923273
>Oblivion man gets cucked out of being the hero
>Not even recognized in any form
>Ends up filling in for the worst lord
>Spends eternity bored as fuck making people do stupid shit for entertainment and talking to ghosts
nice
Didn't the nerevarine achieve chim?
>>338924603
>CHIM
>ALMSIVI
>Numidium
>Mantling
>HoonDing
Looks like you need a few hits of Skooma, friend.
>>338924767
>Worst Lord
Someones waking up with half a Wabbajack up his asshole tomorrow.
>>338920991
Mod?
hey kid go to the castle's fancy dinner party and use this little spell here, it's gonna be hilarious
>>338890359
And the nerevarine can kill gods. Gameplay-wise nerevar doesn't even have a limit to his power, unlike the other heroes.
>>338891070
There are weaker Daedric princes which could be called lesser daedric lords.
>>338889376
>Nerevar is a god killer, and HoK is a god
Guess we know who's stronger then. Seriously. Let's see HoK, chain together buffs to cast super spells, enchant, and master alchemy as good as the Nerevar can.
