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What race you playin?
What strats you utilizing?
>>338862554
Bump!
>tfw it might be months before a crack is released
end my suffering
>>338862681
I'm getting to the point where I'm just going to fuckin shell out the money.
Its like two of my favorite things had a baby.
Fuck you Denuvo.
>>338862874
if you pay for this garbage, you're letting them know that it's okay
vote with your wallet
>>338863593
From what I've read and seen on youtube its the best release day TW game they've put out to date. The siege battles are pretty basic from what I hear.
Plus, come on, its fucking warhammer + total war. Shits like a wet dream.
>>338863760
oh god I know, I want it so bad
but denuvo is evil and I can't compromise on my ethics
>>338863997
It will get cracked.
3DM said they aren't going to cracks for a while, as far as I know they are the only group that has managed to crack Denuvo. I'm sure others are working on it though, who know maybe Denuvo paid them to look the other way for a year while it gets more clients.
Its just new DRM though, we might have to wait a month, but it will come.
Empire is fun, but between Breton fucking shits, vampire counts, and retarded nobles, i'm assaulted on all fronts.
Are Greatswords a straight upgrade over swordsmen? And are Demigryph knights an upgrade over Empire knights? Do they basically supercede having them except for being more expensive?
>>338862554
Started dwarfs last night, only played a little bit
Think I'm gonna try chaos
Buy this game you cunts, it's good.
t. Someone enjoying their game rather than waiting for a crack that'll never come along
>>338863997
>my ethics
You're ethics of unethically pirating games?
>>338864447
Is the AI really that aggressive?
>>338864965
>he thinks anyone against DRM must be a pirate
people like you are the reason consumers get shafted year after year
go read up on why GOG exists at all
>>338864965
lol he mad
fight your own battles mate
>>338864348
Just like Tomb Raider.
>No Skaven
But why
>>338864965
Theft is ok when you're poor. I don't get nigger logic either.
>>338865002
not him but the AI is weird most the the time, they declare a war for no reason and beh for peace 3 turns later
>>338865002
AI is constantly going to war with me and trying to sack my shit. Two bretons went to war with me, I conquered one, and the other spent ages being a cunt before I took over one of its provinces and it wanted peace.
>>338862554
Only about 30 turns in as dwarves, having a blast. Dwarves have always been one of my favorite races but I'm excited to try out the other ones too, probably will go with vampire counts next. Also the Dwarf High King attack animation is hilarious because it's pretty much the honor guard using the king and his throne as a battering ram
>>338865262
Learn to federation and trade agreement.
Trade agreement in any TW is basically a non - aggresion with the non - aggresion agreement.
But, yes.
The map AI actually feels competent for once. It actually does this. I spend a couple of turns waiting for siege engines and just watching the AI orks v vamps.
Orks go their shit pushed in at were at their last hold and suddenly they pushed straight through the vamps and pushed them back a stale mate. With the orks having 1 army and the vamps multiple. the auto resolve does fuck you over sometimes though.
>>338865527
I am. The bretons just fucking hate me. Every time I tried to make peace with them, they basically go 'smelly empire fucking shits go away'. So I just decided to give them war, and despite being higher on them in the totem pole, fucking french assholes keep trying to step to me.
also demigrpyh knights are fucking killer.
I'm so bad at this game. Every fight just devolves into big blobs of enemies slashing at each other.
Also I have no idea how to counter pistoleers. WHen I try cavalry charging them they just run away. Infantry can't catch them either.
>>338862554
So is it any good then? Didn't have much fun with Rome 2 but thought Attila was pretty enjoyable.
I know fuck all about the Warhammer universe so if it banks a great deal on being super into the lore and getting all giddy when I recognise stuff I'll give it a miss.
So what is wrong with Chaos? I keep hearing people say they are broken? Like underpowered when you play them?
>>338865354
Fuck you and your helicopters.
Wait until my demi's can fly and i'll fuck your shit up.
Why is this the first Warhammer game between fantasy and 40k that actually feels like Warhammer? Large scale battles have been in the artwork for both series since the beginning and it took this long to get it?
>>338865865
Haha well I'm not far enough in to have unlocked helicopters yet, but I did do a campaign battle where an ally used them and their fucking bombing runs killed more of my men in the battle than the entire enemy force did, so yeah I'm with you. Fuck helicopters
>Buying a TW game on release
>Not waiting six months for all the DLC to drop, the price to halve, patches to be released and fucking awesome mods to come out.
It's like you faggots don't value your time or money.
>>338865994
Is this your first Warhammer video game ever or something?
>>338865994
>Large scale battles have been in the artwork for both series since the beginning and it took this long to get it?
Mark of Chaos was a thing.
Does it run like shit? I'm worried about buying this and not even being able to play it.
>>338866640
Try posting specs instead of chinese cartoons, faggot.
>>338865841
If you want anything besides Marauders you need to spend 4-9 pops per untit and at the beginning you get one growth per turn and you need 20 per population point. You can get up to 5 growth but then you have to upgrade your main building which costs you 14 pops. It simply takes hundrets of turns to get at least some good units.
Or am I doing something essentially wrong?
So is this game all about hammer & anvil or does magic and flying lead to some new tactics for the first time in the franchise?
>>338865718
Yeah Rome 2 really disapointed some people.
Honestly, besides launch and optimization issues and AI and...
Yea it was pretty shitty, I still had fun shooting people with Persian archers, and some of the city maps were pretty cool.
Eh Warhammer universe isn't really needed to play any of the games, eventually you'll get the key terms and races. This is the Age of Sigmar so its basically a medieval version of the Space Marine 40k era you usually see, minus, for obvious reasons, space aliens.
>>338866249
>everyone should do everything just like me
Back to daycare, kiddo!
>>338867120
I don't know shit about Warhammer, but does Fantasy and 40k take place in the same universe?
>>338866851
It would explain why one of the pre-release videos features a guy getting shrekt out of his mind by a full chaos stack.
>start as Grimgor
>smack the boys around a bit
>Grudgebearer comes down from the mountain in his magic wheelchair and fucks my shit up before I can even capture my first province
>try Karl Franz
>Greenskins, vampires, rebels, and worst of all Bretons
>even Dwarves aren't steadfast allies
>>338866851
orcs are also slow as hell you wont get black orcs until 40 turns
>>338867283
At turn 150 with Chaos I had just one stack full with chosen and over 200k Gold but couldn't do shit because I had no population.
KI Chaos is more like the Huns or Mongols that throw dozens of high tier doomstacks at you once Archaon spwans.
>>338867659
Yeah you will be fine, alternatively you can look that shit up in 5 seconds.
Us gamers :D
Can hardly wait for my DLC(tm) to be released!
>>338866987
Flying units are a thing yes.
Hero characters as well I believe?
I thought I saw one in a preview vids.
>>338867659
You'll be fine bitch nigger
>>338867517
No you don't understand I played over one hundret turns and still had just Marauders, Warriors and Chosen. No knights, dragonogers, spawns, trolls, giants, hellcannons or anything
>>338867991
Incredible
>>338867276
Same universe different time periods.
>>338867795
Ahhhh nice. That was another thing Rome 2 got wrong, there was no ever-present threat like the mongols or jihad or plague.
>>338867991
I hate the internet.
>>338867873
I know. I just fear that there may be other issues. I don't want a repeat of XCOM2
WHO /dwarfgunline/ here?
>find a hill
>get on top
>blast the niggers
>watch their ragged remains flee
>comb your beard and strike out some grudges from the dammaz kron while enjoying some vintage bugman's
>>338868053
Brutal.
>To become the chaos you must first be driven mad by it! BLLOOOO- you get it.
>>338868449
Here, I love guns
>>338866987
Flying units say fuck you to any attempts to block them. Some like the Varghiests are legit fucking terrifying. They're slower than cav but the only way to stop them is shoot them out of the air or bog them down when they land.
Hero units are very fucking cool and each is split between Damage Dealer and Support, but each race plays with those roles.
Spells are also another amazing part. They took all those dumb magic abilities starting at Shogun 2 and upgraded them.
You can do shit like -36 melee attack on a unit or buff to 100% charge resist. You can also stack buffs on a unit, so I've had reiksguard charge into chaos warriors with over a 100 melee attack and 110 charge bonus.
The campaign features are a different story and I'm still debating if I miss the removed features or I'm glad they're gone.
The battles though have been my favorite since Fall of the Samurai. At best the only thing I would like is if the combat was slowed down a bit, because it is close to Shogun 2 speed because of the micro required.
I wish there was a story campaign and a sandbox campaign, I enjoy the game but I sometimes want to play it like other TW titles
>>338868661
I don't know why everyone likes FotS so much
It's just making a giant line of line inf and armstrong guns and letting your enemy run into it
>>338868401
From what I've read and seen on steam, Youtube, and Meta
Tbh familia if you cant get a pc game to run on your PC with even mid tier hardware, unless its truly broken, you need to learn more about your computer.
There has to be ten of thousands of different computer configurations and manufacturers, any game is going to trip a few wires. The good thing is, statistically, lots of people are going to run into the same problem. 95% of all game, or hardware issues I've been able to solve with Toms Hardware tier troubleshooting.
Not saying some games aren't shoddy, are deserved of the criticism, but its really not that common.
>>338868916
Because it's varied for the campaign selection. You can go traditional or modern or anything inbetween. The campaign gameplay is great and the battles are spectacle. It takes the butter smooth gameplay of Shogun 2 and turns into an expansion that can be argued as the best black powder total war.
And Rome 1 is all about just stacking Urban cohorts and Praetorian cav. Before rolf-rolling the map. But I still love that game anyways.
>>338869058
>From what I've read and seen on steam, Youtube, and Meta its one of the stablest CA games in recent memory.*
Sorry kinda super high right now.
>>338869175
base Shogun 2 is actually good (except sieges, jesus fucking christ)
FotS is worse than Empire for everything but gunpowder units being useless
>>338867397
>he can't ambush a literal storm
>>338867991
It is like he was deliberately making the comment look as fake as possible.
>>338867120
No, this is just WHFB, not Sigmar.
Sigmar a shit.
>go into every Warhammer thread
>ctrl+F webm
>it's all unrelated
What the fuck? This is one of the few games I actually wanted to have a slew of webm's from /v/ for.
>>338863593
Garbage? This is one of CA's most bug free releases.
Take a chance, if you don't like it get a refund.
>>338869332
How's are they useless?
I know the multiplayer is a different story, but I've done multiple run throughs of FotS and traditional has always been easier for me barring the late-game armstrong spam.
>>338864447
Greats words more attack and charge damage, less defence.
Griffin knights slower but with more punch than other cavalry.
>>338869612
Really? You find it easier to charge the enemy with your shitty units, probably taking 50% casualties, as opposed to just having them stand in a line and never moving?
I only play against AI
>>338869454
I was wondering when the Warhammer lore enforcer would show me up kek.
>>338869520
Oh hes talking about the Denuvo DRM they are using, not game stability.
>>338862874
I can't preach because I have too much money and I bought it but I instantly regret it. I've only played it 11 minutes to make sure it works and then went back to Stellaris.
>>338869776
>shitty units
You can route an imperial guard unit with yari-ki. Horse-archers are hilariously good. The AI is retarded an constantly puts their gun infantry out of position. I've never had more casualties playing traditional than modern barring the first game when I was learning the ropes.
Besides, traditional just ends up being faster for me than playing a gunline. So, therefore, it's always been easier for me.
>>338866537and the battles were actually better in that game
>>338870115
Why do you regret it?
Also, you should buy me it. Mister millionaire.
>>338867991
if i'm not mistaken, the chaos faction IS dlc, isnt it?i mean it's the same as cutting out gandalf form the lord of the rings and selling his parts of the story separately, but still, chaos is officially dlc
>>338870226
Because I'm only just getting started on Stellaris. Get Stellaris for free and wait for crack.
>>338870285
Yea it was pretty weak, I don't get why games do that, I mean CA has been a DLC whore for a while now, but release DLC a shit. At least pretend you made the assets after.
It comes at a cost of reputation at that point.
>>338865694
Any ranged unit will do the trick, crossbows etc.
>>338869491
It's not cracked yet so we can't play.
>>338865203
>Fluff is all about them being stealthy
>"I want to play them in a total war series"
>>338870350
Yeah, got it already, thought the combat was weak, didn't like the pop mechanics, end-game killed me on it really. I'll give it another go next patch.
Thing is I play TW multiplayer with a buddy of mine from high school, its how we keep in touch. So I'll have to buy eventually.
>>338870674
They have armies you can field, anon. Their fluff exists because they have an army.
If I buy the original on Steam can I pirate the DLC?
Haven't bought a TW game since shitfest Empire
>>338870674
Swarms of millions of rats are stealthy?
Is it just me or does balthazar's searing doom deal no damage?
>>338872481
The Sun spell from Death lore is also useless.
>>338872726
Ah just found a leddit post saying spells do a fixed amount of damage so they are really weak if you are playing on Ultra. CA fucks up again.
How much is Chaos going to cost after the first week? I'm a poorfag so I have to wait to buy the game.
>>338869991
He would play it if he could pirate it, he just doesn't want to pay for it. His argument for not buying the game is because he can't pirate it.
>>338867397
>not playing as Gelt and allying with the dwarves while blasting magic left and right
cmon son
Night goblin archers have to be my favourite unit in the game
>Advance deploy them in a forest
>Enemy tries to go around my flanks with light cavalry to harass/kill the units that aren't black orcs and giants
>proceed to vaporize the cavalry then run down a hill because night goblins abuse the hell out of line of sight
Also to everyone having trouble with dwarves as orcs on non-legendary difficulties just get a Goblin Shaman asap the basic little waagh spell is a big ass aoe that gives your units armour piercing
>>338868449
Vampire cunts are fucking me over by sending bats constantly on my range units and sneak in cavalry whenever my reserve troops stationed around are busy.
can my GPU handle it on high? or is it a CPU intensive game
It's fun, but I'm a little disappointed. Still no blood on release. Lots of animations that have been there for many previous releases are gone: cannons and guns aren't reloaded, there aren't any killing animations at all actually...very lazy and incomplete. I'm not going to play for a while until this stuff is sorted out.
>>338877205
Haven't watched the artillery of the Empire or the Dorfs closely yet, but Ork catapults have reloading animations.
>>338877205
>Still no blood on release.
Fucking this. This is fucking warhammer goddammit, we need blood for the blood god.
I wanna like pistol cavalry but i have no idea how to use them properly, i put them on skirmish and try to set them to harass melee or artillery units but they don't do much in the long run.
Maybe i should roll with regular cavalry since they do so much more initial disruption and damage.
Towers are still ridiculous. I thought I could crash a enemy city with three great cannons, but fucking arrow towers outranged and absolutely outshot my entire artillery battery. My cannons did about 3% damage per hit while I lost ten gunners and sometimes an entire cannon per salvo.
how do you deal with enemy range units on horses? they are drivin me nuts.
>>338878660
They are weak to piercing so put some ranged units on them, range vs range they will lose.
>>338878660
Direwolves work well for VC and for Empire and Dwarfs shooting them with artillery works.
I'm already mad at everyone talking about Empire units on /twg/
I always think they mean E:TW
>>338878517
As far as siege goes, I just autoresolve them. Its boring to play if you weren't going to win anyways
>>338878451
Pistol cavalry exist merely to annoy enemy units, baiting them out of formation or just weakening them up a bit. You can use them to bait enemy cavalry and send them on a wild goose chase while you take care of the rest of their army. You can also set them to melee mode to chase down enemy ranged units too.
>>338865354
Yea im 130 turns in with the dwarves ive conquered the entire east side of the map and confederated with all the dwarves and ive killed koleth, carstein, sigvald, and archaeon but they keep coming back
>>338879401
I should get the habit of having them close into melee on ranged unit as said to tie them up properly.
>>338867659
Yea youll be good i dont dip below 60 on ultra no AA and i have an i5 4570 and a gtx970
I hate to parrot bad reviewer complaints but it does feel like it takes a long time to get some unit upgrades. You need second or third barrack or maybe stables but you also need armoury and so on. But you also need a stable economy.
>>338880394
Sounds like they took agoodpage from Third Age
>>338862554
SKELETONS
>SKELETONS
SKELETONS
>SKELETONS
>>338866537
Man what a fun game.
My main strat is getting assreamed by Greenskins and various Greenskin tribes and getting assasinated by the same fucking little shit every time my Legendary Lord is available again and I can't even attempt an assasination of that little mounted piece of fucking garbage because it's too high level.
>>338874785
Well there is an argument to be made that there isn't really any conclusive evidence that piracy is "bad" for the industry, in fact some game companies have outright expressed that they won't use anti-piracy drm at all, as they believe if a game is good, the sales will be good. Of course you can make a slippery slope argument, but its not realistic.
>>338867795
>>338868053
Take this and level up it to maximum. Is very helpful.
Got no money for the game. Anyone got a recommendation for a streamer to watch play instead?
>>338876857
Read the sys requirements.
>>338881053
Why would you do that
"ohohohoho he clicked a thing this is so exciting"
>>338880987
Geh ins Bett, Anon
>>338880987
Noice. Thank you.
>>338881119
Nein
>>338880652
>beat VC
>they come back the next turn full of replenished spook army
Stop resurrecting the entire world you fucks.
>play as Azhag so I can be a propa weird git
>Grimgor is still faction leader
>can't even lead my own WAAAGH!
I'm a bit triggered
Fuck the Dwarfs, they're so goddamn OP. All of their units are nigh invincible, they have ridiculous ranged units that are strong as hell in melee, and their heroes are ridiculous. Can't do shit as Greenskins with then constantly raping my forces, even when I win it's usually pyrrhic with my troops decimated.
>>338880987
DICKHÄUTIG DER TÖDLICHE KLINGE
>>338880987
>actual skill trees that aren't just boring shit like + 1 honor
Can't wait to buy this on a sale in 3 years
>>338881521
>Fuck the Dwarfs
m8 u better believe i just wrote down a grudge against u
>>338881723
I literally am at the point where I eat every prisoner now just to spite you little shits. Doesn't even taste good.
anyone playing on an AMD CPU
If I destroy Chaos Warriors once, will they come back?
>>338862554
Got this last night, my SO bought it as a belated birthday present and I got railroaded from my attempts to go home by a group assignment meeting.
I have no idea where these contrarian faggots are coming from, Total Warhammer is amazing its easily CA's best release in ages. its worth a buy if you at all like Warhammer or CA games.
Anyway I'm playing Dwarfs because I always play Dwarfs first in anything, my only annouance so far is did they change the way you move units with left click?
I remember being able to click and hold a unit of soldiers and then drag them and it selects them in formation and allows you to drag them to a place you want them and they would move in formation to that place.
I have no idea if I've just forgotten the key and button combination for it or if they changed it but its pissing me off when I spend like 10 minutes forming my army up on the sides and I can't move them and keep them all in their original formation and ranks as they move into the battlefield
I like having my flanks covered and I can't keep my power units on the flanks without the option to keep their formation as I move the army.
I have no idea if this makes sense at all, or if anybody knows what I'm referring to with this message.
>>338881436
Its a shame. I like both but I'm doing a co op campaign with a VC friend and Azhag fits so well.
>>338882513
Try alt and left mouse button
>>338882513
no idea what an SO is but, use the arrow keys to move the selected units in their formation
>>338881997
Into the book he goes
>>338881821
>>338881723
Fcuking kek
>>338883153
Significant other, he means his gay fuckbuddy
So are town battles (sans capitals) completely gone? It was the primary advantage you got for defending and it's weird to not have it. You don't even really need to outnumber the enemy anymore when you want to invade their towns because of this.
Do encampment battles not have special maps either? I haven't fought in one yet
>>338882513
Put your units in desired formation during deployment
Ctrl + G to make a group
Select this group and right click the ground will move to destination whilst maintaining formation.
I heard the lady of the lake is actually an elf man that the Bretonnians worship
>>338883410
you need to build defenses in the settlement. if the settlement has no defenses, you are fighting on a field.
>>338883410
Yes, completely gone and it's awful. For all the neat things in this game, there are 3 terrible steps back.
>>338862554
are there any rpg elements in the game
one thing i hated about previous total war games is that i could never really pimp out my character beyond leadership +1, zeal +1 and all that bullshit, does it follow the same formula here or is there some cool shit in place
>>338862554
im loving this game
>be vampire bros
>vessal declares awr
>assault their forces with all my armies
>5 thousand troops and reinforcements
>vs 500 defenders
i couldnt even use the unit select bar it was way too full
Fucking hate chaos
Playing as humies, my deathstacks cant keep up with thier hordes so all they do is roam my lands, occassionally razing good towns with my armies out of movement points literally 2 steps from battle
How do i fucking get em?
>>338883832
Are you referring to the guard houses?
They don't seem to say anything about that in the description, it appears to only increase garrison size and decrease enemy hero success chance
>>338883878
That really fucking sucks, especially considering that kind of thing is unlikely to be patched in
Anyone playing it on an AMD CPU?
80+ turns in with the orcs i have 14+ towns and i'm still struggling because of my shit income. I have only 3 full stack armies and one with 6+ units which i use to keep a province obedient. And how do i fight against chaos corruption ? Aside from events that happen once in a while. It's getting worse around %15 right now. Help me /v/ ?
strats i think u mean spam DD spells on enemy lords / elite units until winning
I am pretty annoyed by the 'questing' system. Some heroes get multiple quest battles while others get as little as one. So much for a branching narrative.
>>338884170
Don't forget that they plan for two more full game sized expansions. We'll probably get them in later.
>>338884178
Yeah. Runs just fine.
>>338885170
what CPU and GPU? also what settings and FPS?
>doing Mannfred's quests
>requires me to bring an army to the bottom of the fucking map for two quest battles
>conquer the border princes for no other reason than to have an attrition-free path at least somewhat close to it
>chaos hordes start to invade while my best army and lord are fucking around in a wasteland at the edge of the world
>more than a dozen turns just to get back to sylvania
Did they put those quest battles there just to fuck with you as VC? This is ridiculous.
>>338884906
Look for buildings that fight corruption. Think Boss Tent line helps.
>>338885250
CPU: FX-6300
GPU: Radeon R9 270x
Runs on high. Haven't checked the FPS. No noticeable drops at least.
>>338885684
alright, thanks m8
you running it on 1080p, I assume?
>>338885808
Wow you just assume that?
As a 1680x1050kin, I'm triggered
Anyone else think this is a whole lot harder than previous Total War games? Normally I can play on Very Hard and 9 times out of 10 beat an army twice my size, but now I'm playing on Hard and barely won this battle.
>>338886063
im finding it quite hard due to the power of heros now
as well as flyers can get really annoying, i find my units always getting flanked by vargheists which are tough as dicks and fly
>>338886063
Fucking hero units are a bitch to kill sometimes. Only thing making battles harder for me.
>>338886296
Haven't bought it yet, how powerful are heroes? Just roughly, on a scale from "just like general units" to "holy fuck these guys take on entire armies by themselves"
>>338866537
>tfw my computer won't run this game and I really want to play it again
I tried everything, this is suffering
>>338862554
Playing chaos in Legendary and I'm getting fucked hard.
Major problem are the awakened tribes declaring war on each other
>>338885808
Yeah, 1080p.
>>338886394
holy fuck these guys take on entire armies by themselves
>>338885339
you can a some currency to automatically teleport your army to fight quest battles and then it teleports you back.
>>338885170
But I don't want to pay for an expansion to get what was in every single other TW game
>>338886394
as vampire counts my hero is doing as much damage as the bat giant thing, about 50 kills un buffed up.
that is without spells upgrades or items, and im usualy finding if you dont get your hero to counter theirs your losses are gona be big
>>338862554
Vampire Counts. I kill the army leaders with spirit leech before the real fight even begins. Cheesing my way through the game.
>>338886626
>all other TW games
>shogun 2
>all factions play the same
>warhammer total war
>every faction plays completely different with different mechanics and with all unique units
yeah no, this game is not even comparable to the previous total wars.
>>338886861
I'm referring to town battles anon
I'm pretty pleased with the game otherwise
>>338883890
Lords and hero units can be assigned weapons armour and trinkets that you find in game and they can have followers that give bonuses. They all have skill trees that they can upgrade through as well. Lots of RPG stuff in this game.
I think they all start with nothing and you pick up items through battles or action. Wish regular units had a few more options to them but I'm enjoying it so far.
>>338885170
Unlikely actually, they took those out for the same reason they made siege maps smaller, got rid of matched combat, and downgraded the graphics: make it run better.
>>338886063
I've only been playing empire where I win every battle with cavalry charges like every other total war, so no.
Launched a game as dwarfs last night. Karak-a-karaz got besieged by a 4000+ ork waaaaagh 12 turns in. Managed to hold off the seige by sniping grimgor with a bunch of thunderers and upon his death the entire ork army instantly routed. Twas a glorious victory. Now at turn 90 and have confederated almost every dwarven faction.
>>338886063
Hero units are hard to put down and enemy units will often flee, regroup and return. In my experience with older total wars enemy units that were fleeing were mostly considered dealt with but these ones keep coming back. Enemy mounted units will often flank as well.
Enemy troop movement in battles is a lot smarter in this game than previous i find.
>>338886603
Fucking cunts, why didn't the fucking Tzeentch cunt tell me anything about it? I've been playing for over 20 hours and have been dragging my dwarf ass all over the fucking map taking forever to complete the quests.
Thanks for telling me.
>>338886063
Obviously it'll be harder than the previous ones until you learn the game. Even if it's very similar.
>>338887126
are the items you pick up modeled on your character's in-game model?
for example, if you pick up a weapon will he wear it? or can you not pick up weapons?
>>338886063
Yeah, hero units are way too strong and the AI seem to be able to level theirs a lot faster. Early game (first 15 or so turns) on normal difficulty my Ork leader was only level 3 and the Dwarves attacked me with a level 8 hero and a full stack. There's nothing you can do to stop that shit, tactics and strategy don't mean shit when their lord can tank everything you throw at him purely on level advantage.
>>338887947
Nah none of it is represented in game just stat bonuses i think. Wouldn't be particularly noticable anyways. The only things that are represented are spells/auras.
Such a pain to take Sylvania. I play as Empire and I own like 40% of the empire regions at turn 47 thanks to making confederations with talabecland and stirland and by conquering most of Midland and Ostland. Been fighting for dozens of turns with the vampires, managed to take their capital and have deployed 4 full stacks in Sylvania but they still have 3 full stacks with strong units and their corruption is fucking my armies up. Fuck these guys.
>>338888193
Alright, thanks.
I was just wondering if it was like the Dawn of War games.
Was playing Vamps to get a grip on the game, now switching to Chaos but what I found super effective...
>keep two units of bats and a unit of Vargheists in each stack
>bats provide filler for the strat and keep things cheap
>plus, actually get good once you research their shit
>get your units within reasonable charge distance of their army, but preferably outside of their ranged units line of sight and/or range
>nana nana nana nana
>BAT TIME
>just flood their ranged backline with bats and Vargheists
>issue the charge order on the rest of your undead
>watch those handgunners flail as their morale drops faster than their health
>any melee units who pull back to assist also start dropping severely in morale
>send 3+ units just packing, running for the hills almost instantly
Fear is fucking deadly.
>Dwarfin'
>Quarrelin'
>Thunderin'
Ultimate turtle faction. Place some warriors in front of the ranged and slap some gobi shit.
Advancing isn't dwarf-like
>>338886529
....raze them....
>>338865067
>DRM that specifically does not impede the consumer
>only impedes unethical pirates
Oh, fuck off. There are also reasons why GOG has an incredibly crippled library.
I have never played Total War before
I have not played many RTS games
I don't know shit about Warhammer other than it has space marines and orks
Should I check this game out? It looks kind of fun and the races look cool.
Dumb how I can't take over some settlements. So as vamps, I'll always have either orcs or dwarfs right on my home province's door step.
>>338887275
>he thinks empire cav is the best
say hello to hexwraiths, fag.
>>338865203
Because expansions, there's a further 3 games supposedly to come numbnuts.
>>338888696
>I don't know shit about Warhammer other than it has space marines
Only the shitty new one has space marines, and no one likes that stupid shit.
>>338888449
literally hammer and anvil the faction
>>338888909
I thought everyone liked 40k
>>338888909
lol butthurrt warhammerfag. warhammer is dead and only 40k is going strong and it OBJECTIVELY more popular in terms of numbers.
deal with it.
>>338889014
>>338888973
>newfags think I was talking about 40k
Age of Sigmar you retards. Look it up. GW literally shoved their Ultramarine mary sues into a fantasy setting.
>>338867795
>one stack full with chosen
Fucking why? You know Chosen are supposed to be elite units right? That's a hell of a lot of resource expenditure for slightly better Warriors. Shit dude, spread your resources around, you only need like 1-3 units of Chosen, then go and fill it out with some regular Warriors, some cavalry and some damn monsters.
>>338888973
>>338889014
He's obviously talking about the Age of Sigmar marines.
>>338862554
Empire.
Encircle.
Majority of the time I have more troops than them so they don't attack and just starve to death.
>>338862874
>>338863760
these.
patiently waiting for the elves.
So does this game have assassin and merchants, or ninjas and geisha and metsuke equivalent unit like the other games, or is war the only way to get what you want?
>>338865527
Battle AI is also pretty good to challenging.
Game spins like a tiger, a few seconds between each turn. Glorious.
>>338889164
>40 turns in with only one province
I was in the same boat, I did however have two allies (one breton) willingly get absorbed by me or whatever the fuck its called.
AI is strange in this game.
Holy fuck chaos incursion 2 is fucking op. As soon as archeaon invades everyone teams up against him and I fucking confederate multiple factions because of this
>>338889014
Educate yourself 40k babby.
>>338888914
I know right? It's great how fast the Varghulf is too.
>first story battle
>they have some cavalry off to the side for obvious flanking maneuvers
>put my Varghulf, supported by skeles and a unit of ghoulies on the same side
>slam that Varghulf into the knights well before the rest of my army is within any kind of charge distance
>he obviously holds them up long enough to swamp said knights in just more undead
Ain't no cavalry getting off a charge with my Varghulf around.
>>338862554
>preorder it a month ago
>hype because kind of like warhammer
>game is boring
>not sure if i should refund and go through the hassle of finding another game to buy or just keep it
>>338888814
burn em
>>338889514
It's called being a cuck nation
>>338870521
>>338870285
Yeah that move on the creators part was utter shit.
It effectively snuffed the game from becoming large competitive.
A missing fucking faction.
Complete bullshit. Greedy kikes.
>>338889509
How exactly does a tiger spin?
>>338868449
it's a good day to be dawi
>>338889791
>game is boring
How? I'd say the game is anything but boring, sounds like you really don't like Warhams after all.
Does anyone else think the dev deserves piracy for the Chaos Warriors dlc bullshit?
Speaking of which, I hope the crack will exist soon despite the odds.
>>338862554
Humans. I lose alot. Nothing like other RTS Ive played.
>>338862554
>Dead game general.
>>338862554
How do I stop enemy heros from going around assassinating everything I own?
I swear they are constantly double or even triple my level
>>338890052
>day after release
>dead
>>338890234
Welcome to /v/!
>>338889791
Why did you think it was boring?
>>338884030
Hahaha. I had that problem as a well. Set up ambushes and princers is your only chance. Luckily everyone in the south made peace with me so I would move my entire force north to fuck those chaos shitters up and then raze their settlements. There is only 2 parts of the map they can come ashore on. North of wasteland and from the Norlands. Use that to your advantage and setup ambushes
>>338888686
Actually for this specifically there are some arguments to be made. Such as the makers of denuvo supposedly being known for installing rootkits on people's devices and the way denuvo works as drm (it downloads a key from their servers to legitimize your copy, meaning if denuvo goes down say bye to your games). I'm against piracy myself and bought this game knowing full well what's going on, but there are arguments to be made on why it may be bad.
>>338887984
Maybe you're just shit and can't into stratergy or tacs?
Anyone else think the whole regions are locked to certain factions thing is dumb? Playing VC, like turn four the orks declare war. Cool, what can I do? Sack their one stolen dwarven town, then wait for them to rebuild? Why? That makes no sense.
Then the Dwarves decided to declare war on the Empire, and send two stacks steamrolling through. Why? There's no real gain, especially with the orks fucking them up to the rear.
As VC I have no reason at all to move into dwarf/orc lands. So that whole portion of the map is wasted for me. Same as dwarves/orcs, no reason to move into human lands. "Oh, but you can raid!" You say? That doesn't help me early to mid game. Early to mid game I can't afford to have a full stack fucking off somewhere, instead of gaining me territory.
Only gripe with the game so far. That and the motherfucking skeleton animations. Exact same goddamn animation for each skeleton.
Cathay expansion when?
>>338862554
Vampire Cunts
10 grave guards (5 shield, 5 greatweapon)
4 black knights for flanking
4 specials
Lord and hero
And then there's my Manfred army that's composed entirely out of terrorgheists and himself on an undead dragon
And my kimmler army that's entirely wraiths of different kinds
Never played a total war game before so I've chosen vamps after failing miserably as orks on my first try. Having a grand old time now defending every single tiny settlement from the 20 or so armies or orks and chaos which are roaming around my slice of territory between the humans and the ork mountains that I'm slowly purging. Meanwhile my dwarf and human diplomacy is off the charts, they asking for more treaties every day.
Should I expect to be betrayed soon? And besides building fortifications on every city and town is there a better way to defend my shit? Orks will sprint to the only unfortified positions I have and raid them like 3 times in one turn even if I successfully defend. I have 3 large armies, two are constantly roaming to defend (often too slowly) and another on the offence.
>>338890746
VA released a mod due to the hatred of that. So obviously you aren't the only one that thinks this way.
>>338888814
CA collaborated on a mod to let you take over everything. It's on steam for free.
>>338890328
Not him but empire building is very shallow. Idk why we still have 6-4-4 province system from rome 2.
>>338890746
The game isn't an autism paint simulation. Read your campaign objectives and play for them. If you think that is too easy, use the mod that let's you settle everywhere.
I love Total War games, but I rarely finish campaigns.
>get rushed by multiple factions in the early game
or
>own so many provinces that forces can't reach invaders in time before they fuck my shit up
>>338890005
>Gaming Journalism
>>338889905
Like a king.
>>338890978
That's why the game gives you multiple heroes to deal with invading forces indirectly
>>338890659
>meaning if denuvo goes down
This is that same "wahh b-but what if Steam/Valve goes down!" argument. If, and that's a big if, that happens I'm sure someone somewhere will find a way around it.
As for the rootkits thing that's a bit more serious, but this is the first I've even heard of that.
>>338890746
That's weird the races of order don't have a natural affinity to not fuck over each other?
>>338889164
Wait I thought Wissenland was part of the empire in lore.
>>338891339
Go look at the denuvo q and a on their steam forums. Also I think your first criticism is a bit flawed. You are comparing a huge multimedia platform to a drm, drms can go down more easily than steam. Yes I agree that they may find a way around and they will given enough time. Do not none of these are my own arguments, these are just the arguments I've heard against it that I'm informing you of.
>>338891360
Bruh, if they wanted that then you wouldn't be able to delcare war on eachother. The two doomstacks of dwarves moving through empire land sacking everything attests to that.
And if that was the case, then VC should be able to take Orc settlements, and viceversa.
It's just fucking retarded that I can be at war with the dwarves, and can't actually win said war, because they'll always hold on to their territories.
>>338890869
>>338890891
Did not know this. Now my only gripe is the dumbass dancing skeleton animations.
>>338891652
*do note
Sorry on the phone
A couple hours into a dwarves campaign right now. Do the orcs ever stop fielding armies with 8+ units of foot archers? Maybe they're just trying to counter my strategy of 4 quarrelers and 3-4 artillery but it's not worked once for them.
>>338891360
Generally the dwarves/humans (Barring wars started by diplomatic treaties) and orcs/vampires do seem to get along. The AI just does weird things sometimes.
>>338891652
>drms can go down more easily
Right, but there's even more of an interest in keeping the games active should that happen, since players will go straight to the publishers, the developers and even distribution platforms such as Steam to complain. There's a lot of companies invested in the working health of these games, whereas on the other hand if Valve goes down there isn't as much support.
>>338889828
I do, but they keep coming back.
>Intercepted enemy Orc 40 stack with my own 40 stack
This was a glorious fight
do guns in this game need line of sight or do they arc?
>>338862874
Somebody please post that fuck pic where the pirate is crying whilst his girl sucks the Denuvo BBC.
>>338892980
That's a lotta dorfs.
>excited for the game
>can't get into it
Feels bad
>>338892980
did you screen-cap post battle report?
looks like an epic fight
>>338863997
>muh ethical thievery
lmao
SOME OF YOU PUTRESCENT PISSANTS ARE WORTHY IN THE EYES OF THE RUINOUS POWERS!
DON'T LET ME CATCH YOU IN REIKLAND YONDER DAWN!
>>338893442
>>338893571
>Blasting charges
Unfortunately the vast majority of the orcs were archers, they piled up on each other because they couldn't flank around behind me.
>>338893571
>>338893716
>most of the enemy just ran
Damn coward orcs
>>338893625
How would he do against one space marine?
M'lady
>>338894091
Fucking white knights.
>>338894091
>those animations
what
did they go back to Rome 1's animations?
I thought soldiers actually fought now instead of just playing random animations
>>338894339
single unit vs single unit looks crap, but the actual fights between units are amazing
The fucking charges are so glorious
>>338894091
>Anita twitter fued with MRA
>>338890907
I'll agree with this somewhat. I understand they want to have a capital of the region, and the capital being outclassed by the smaller settlements would be a joke, but limiting building options because the highest tier buildings can only be built in a capital is fucking annoying
>>338894417
make me a webm of a charge anon
I want to witness it
>>338894339
That was my question.
Nearly every recent Total War had that gay ass 1v1 animation in the battlefield, but now in a game where it would have actually worked with hero vs hero, they take it off....
>>338894417
Not him, while I agree that unit v unit combat should never have had that 1v1 duel bullshit animation from rome2, you'd think it would make sense for hero units to have unique animation sets.
>>338894339
Matched combat was reduced to allow exactly what you see in the webm, otherwise the cavalry would have failed.
Its better this way.
>>338894339
Performance
>>338894572
Some of them do. Ogres/Giants will pick single units up and smash them around, Dragons eat people, and there is that webm of the Bretonnia guy leaping and stabbing a giant in the head
>>338894572
They do have some matched combat, depends on whose fighting.
>>338894482I dont know how to make webms
I had some but deleted them like an idiot
>>338894572
>unique animations that can't be interrupted
No. You need to protect your hero, they are extremely important. Maneuvarility or however you spell that shit word is key. I don't want to have to wait for some shitty combat animation to end to retreat my hero.
>>338894753
>>338894774
>Some of them do
>some
Inb4 hero animation pack DLC
>>338894774
that's okayyou can use shadowplay to save the last x seconds of footage if you have a nvidia card, then use webm for retards to make a webm out of it
>>338893924
>Mash One-Finger
[insert MMORPG joke here]
>>338894849
>that can't be interrupted
Where did I say I thought that would be a good idea? Because I'm fairly sure I never said that m80
>>338894971
Holy shit I didnt even notice that
A lot of the orc names are hilarious though
>>338887476
The smartest parts of the AI i've seen so far are the cavalry. They always seem to have skirmish mode on, and do a real good job of breaking off, getting forgotten, then come railing through the ranks again later.
>>338894998
Then we agree we don't need new animations, there is nothing faster than a generic slash attack, and that's all you should need, want, and receive.
Just finished my first Orc Campaign on hard
Gonna mod for my next run, should I play as Vamps in Mousillon or Dawi in chaosland
>>338894929
Well maybe ill try then
But without a doubt charges and normal unit vs units combat is the best in TWW. When charging all the front line units have unique animations like jump attacks/broad swings/bracing and when they collide it actually looks impactful.
>>338895201
Vanilla vamps
>>338864348
>It will get cracked.
MFW you don't know shit about how cryptography (or Denuvo) works. You're gunna be waiting until the heat death of the universe for a crack, nigga
>>338895141
>The smartest parts of the AI i've seen so far are the cavalry.
Forgive the shitty quality, but this fucking blew my mind when it happened
Obviously I was never going to win this fight, but chaos started cycling through its dogs charges so after 1 hit my lines, another would come in as the first unit retreated.
First time iv ever seen the AI in any TW game actually pull off multiple shock cav charges.
>>338895165
>Then we agree
No. Just make them easily interrupted.
Your position is endemic of creative assembly design though, can't get something right so they swat a fly with a cannon and remove it entirely. Similar to how their AI hasn't gotten better in like 11 years.
>>338895659
Is this on highest graphic? Why does it look worse than Attila?
>>338895758
Its on the absolute lowest
>>338865258
I haven't seen that in this total war and I have like 15 hours played. In the others, sure, but the AI is way better in this one.
>>338895758
you can clearly tell it isn't
Tfw archaeon is about to finish crushing kislev and invade your empire but all the forces of the old world unite to tear him down.
Kinda dissapointing though, i was. Playing on hard and i only got to fight 2 battles vs warriors of chaos since the other factions were doing the work for me.
what the fuck is wrong with the hord mechanic in this game? why would other chaos lords hate Archaon????
>>338895557
>knowing shit all.
I'm sorry but we will be able to pirate the game.
>>338895704
>their ai hasn't gotten better in 11 years.
Go back and play those old games and say that to me again
I find VC campaign a lot of a waiting game as I wait for corruption to spread so I can keep happiness up and move armies freely. Turn 60 in and only 2 provinces. I'm probably playing this wrong.
>Want to expand the empire and get more areas
>Would have to declare war on some people
>mfw have full 3 armies 60/60
>Only earn 62 gold a turn
>tfw have to wait another month to buy it
>>338895954
>why would batshit insane jealous chaos warriors who want that power for themselves hate the most powerful lord
uhhh i dunno anon
Anyway to hide this shit?
This is my first TW game and I am not very good at it yet.
I can do well in evenly matched battles, but I cannot turn the tide in battles where the odds are against me.
And I suck at campaign management stuff.
>>338896158
You dont have to spread corruption every time, if you can walk in and take a place do it.
>>338894849
Kinda makes sense, but I wish there was a sorta duel to the death kind of thing, similar to Mark of Chaos or how the tabletops did it. If you was in the vicinity of an enemy lord on the tabletop, you can challenge that hero with your hero to a duel of the death where one of you has to die. And if you rejected, nobody dies but you get knocked down a few morality points.
>>338895954
>why would other chaos lords hate Archaon
>>338895704
You can't interrupt a jump, eating, smashing animation without wasting resources on animation to make it look grounded, which of course would extend the period of the whole scene even longer.
So your so-
>similarly how the AI hasn't gotten better in 11 years
Ah, you haven't even played Warhammer, why was I talking to you to begin with? This discussion is over.
>>338896258
Same man, the AI is too smart this time. I remember pulling off a shit ton of unevenly matched battles in Medieval 2, but fuck man, this game isn't allowing me to either receive heavy ass loses, or a defeat.
I might have to go down to normal, or try out the other Total War games first.
>>338896125
If you're talking about the Medieval 2 AI, then no, it was pretty bad.
Defensive armies become braindead as you pelt them with arrows, units become stuck behind walls despite the gates being opened.
Interestingly enough, I still see some of this in Warhammer.
>>338896158
You are, and you have already lost the campaign to Chaos.
>>338894482
Here ya go
>>338896579
>walls
>warhammer
>>338896676
>uphill
Although still better than any other TW game
>>338896676
Tfw the muh collision fags won
>>338896676
I love the jumping horse mechanic, it looks cool
>>338895953
>implying kislev existed on my run that far in
By turn 70 the Varg had crushed everything north of Sylvania, probably from my armies Sacking half the cities between those points but that got me giants and arachnaroks so werth
>>338896676
>what looks like lightly armored archers getting fucking annihilated by heavy cavalry
fucking nice
>literally ALL of them stand back up
????????????????
playing as vampire counts, seems to be a bug where the enemy leader just dies for no reason, before the fighting even starts.
Not sure what's going on
>>338896881
You want units to instantly die when cav charges them?
>>338896790
Horses can run uphill if the angle isn't that high.
Or not? not a /fit/fag so I dunno, but I live among hills and have seen horses running in the ones that aren't in this shape /
Is the harder campaign AI still just a cheat? Infinite gold for armies etc even when they're nearly wiped out
>>338897046
Well it is Reiksguard charging what look like Brettonian peasant archers
I'd want at least a third to be dead from impact
>>338895659
Cavalry really can make or break a battle. Using cavalry has been the keystones to winning battles where I was horrendously outmatched, and if you don't keep track of the enemies cavalry, it can fuck you in the ass, especially if you keep forgetting they exist and you didn't actually finish them off.
Pic partially related, it was an amusing little curbstomp where I flooded the forest with wolf riders and harassed the tiny Emperor group before drowning the remnants in a wave of Orcs. Seeing the wolf riders weaving and rushing through the forest, bullying the mortars, general and musketeer men was fun to see.
>>338897046
archers against heavy cav? pretty much, yeah. they should at least take HEAVY losses, half or more.
>>338896881
Under the new system most units get knocked down when they receive a charge head on without bracing, in order to make the charge look cooler.
Had we watched that webm for another 6 seconds you would find the entire unit gets decimated fairly quickly.
>Burned too hard by TW games recently
>Don't want to buy it in case it's shit
God dammit.
>>338896881
You don't die when ran over by a car, why would a horse kill you?
Not even bull charges kill you. You are stupid.
>>338896676
>they all get back up
dunno why I laughed so hard
>>338897335
>one of the best received TW games ever
>shit
>>338897346
And what about a lance to the chest?
>>338897346
>You don't die when ran over by a car
literally wut
>>338897332
>Had we watched that webm for another 6 seconds you would find the entire unit gets decimated fairly quickly.
is it so much to ask that a fair number of them just die upon the initial charge?
>>338897335
same
I think I'll just wait one more month for steam summer sales and then make my decision.
Right after a game releases everyone says it's great. the true verdict comes later.
>>338897446
>implying the lance hit them
They would have died if so.
>>338897368
>Alright lads, dust ya selves off and get back to it, come on come on enough lollygagging, tally ho
>>338895659
>>338895141
>>338897169
Meh, all you have to do is send a cheap unit of spearmen and the cavalry will just constantly run away from it. I have a couple of heavy hitting cavalry units in my Vampire Counts army but I just use them to charge their army in the rear once they're stuck in my blob of greatsword skellies. Armor penetring 2 handed weapons infantry units is where it's at in TW:WH imo
>>338896258
beating dorfs 1:10 on hard, git gud blast sabaton.
>runs great
>adjust ANY of the graphics settings at all
>runs like shit
fucking why, new patch when?
Game is fun doe.
>>338897493
That's a rule that doesn't and never has applied to total war games.
Either the game is good in day 1 or shit on day 1. The future won't change that.
See Rome 2, Attila, Shogun 2.
>>338897471
>is it so much to ask that a fair number of them just die upon the initial charge?
The gameplay reason is commitment.
You can get cav in and out of fights very quickly in TWW, if those archers died instantly then the cav could just keep running and go on a total killing spree never slowing down. So the actual killing from the charge is slightly delayed, literally a few seconds after the charge itself, so that you have to commit the unit for the maximum potential kills, before you can run off.
>>338897761
Thing is at release, unless a game has shitloads of bugs, crashes, or other obvious design problems, everyone will say it's great. Only 1 month down the line do people start going "oh yeah, maybe that could be changed to...", "that's kinda annoying...", "wish this was in...", "man if only..."
>>338897779
Am I the only one like how cavalry charges changes every TW lately?
What frontline infantry to spam as Empire? Thought it was swordsmen but I've hit the late game and they're just getting wrecked now
>>338897738
>runs great
>be so retarded he decided to mess with the settings even though the game ran great
>game now runs like shit
There is no patch for stupidity.
Protip: Don't fix what isn't broken.
So what's on your wishlist for the next game?
Where should it take place and what 4 main factions?
>In the New World
>Dark Elves
>High Elves
>Lizardmen
>Chaos Daemons
>>338898135
Beastmen. They're all over in The Empire, these spooky forests feels empty without them
>>338897936
Those people sound like a bunch of betafags to be honest.
>>338898067
Greatswords.
>>338898067
Halberds to absorb the initial casualties/horses and monstrous creatures then charge with greatswords.
>>338898135
How much are they going to charge for the "parts"?
>>338864965
>no demo
>DRM to a point of detriment to the overall gaming experience
day one pirate
not releasing a demo and adding so much DRM software that your game is overall less efficient is unethical.
>>338898218
I was thinking you could make a great campaign with the Wood Elves, Beastmen, Brettonia and Skaven, but you are sorta confining their map area to a small area surrounding Athel Loren.
>>338898219
It's natural senpai.
When you're blinded by release hype everything's great to you.
When you go back to the game without the hype in your mind you look at things with a whole different light.
>>338897425
Yeah I've heard that before.
>>338898408
This. Give it 1-2 weeks, once the honeymoon period's over, that's when the real opinions started rolling in.
>>338897619
Thats why I usually keep my goblins spears up front unless I am fighting cavalry, in which case I throw them on the flanks.
The problem comes when you have archer cavalry, those fuckers are literal cunts.
Tfw no campaign without chaos hordes attacking all the god damn time.
I just want to fight greenskins and vc
>>338898135
I'm not an expert in Fantasy so I don't know what its called, but I would love if they expand the game south and east of the Old World.
South to Arabia, Estalia, Tilea?, and the tomb kings. Oh, and the wood elves that are next to Brettonia.
East to the Ogre Kingdom.
Something I feel bad about though is
>Nippon never
Just kill me, /v/. I want glorious samurais fighting orcs.
I want the chinese kingdom too, Cathay or something. It sounded pretty badass when I read about it. But I know I won't get either of them.
>>338898447
No you havnt, you just wanted a tough guy answer
>>338898608
Pfft, whatever you say, kid.
>>338898447
Attila was a good game, so was Shogun. Those opinions you heard were correct.
>>338898821
Tch. What a waste of my time.
>>338898571
I've only fought pistolers on horses and I just sent my a cheap unit of skellies with shields to them and they basically spent the whole battle running away and shooting at my skellies.
Which did pretty much nothing. They couldn't take down the whole unit and I'm pretty sure they were much more expensive.
>>338898573
Soon (TM) CA will implement a "Custom campaign" where you choose what races are in the world and shit. Its gonna be goty.
>>338898578
>south and east of the Old World
Southlands
It does look like their focus is on the major factions with substantial fluff and armybooks, so no Araby, Nippon and Cathay.
Tomb Kings would probably a likely way for them to go since they already have models for literally half their units already anyway.
I think the Ogre Kingdoms are too far east from the Tomb Kings to be together in one campaign.
>>338898997
Source?
>>338899050
His ass
Dwarves are crazy man
dont really get to round up routers with cav but still really good units
>>338899050
Its a dream feature I have. CA isn't even aware I want such feature, and they won't implement it until someone informs them if its possible to do that.
Imagine when the 16 races are released and we are able to make custom campaigns. We could have so much fun, anon.
So what are some major improvements over the previous TW mechanic-wise?
>>338883756
Sort of. The Lady of the Lake isLileath, a goddess worshipped by the High Elves.
>>338899021
Thanks. But if they expand Southlands down there to the Tomb Kings location, how could they not implement Araby? What's that huge area gonna be filled with then? If memory serves me right aren't they next to Tomb Kings?
South of Araby are the spider people right? Shadow realm?
>>338899487
>Each faction is truly unique (unique buildings, units, research trees, magic, heroes, units, ect ect ect)
>Battle AI is far superior
>Game is challenging on harder difficulties without being so because of agentspam/endless stacks
>New unit types change up the old stale rock/paper/scissors gameplay from previous TW games
>Games magicalpun intended
>Comes with free historyfags salt
Those are the biggest ones for sure.
>the kislevites have unique voice acting
Does this mean they'll be added as official dlc
>>338899487
too many to post, just play the game
is the tabletop game worth getting into?
>Be huge Warhammer/40k autist
>Have crap 7 year old computer
>Full of viruses and can barely browse the internet
>Basic games like Dawn of War 1 barely works
>Battlefleet Gothic Armada literally would take 30 mins to load and still barely worked
>I throw $60 at this anyway and put up with the DLC preorder BS out of my love for the Old World
>People start saying their better comps can't handle it
>Play it
>Gets a bit slow loading matches and some screens will be a bit twitchy from time to time but otherwise works fine
Sigmar has smiled upon me
>>338899803
It got leaked that they have a unique page in the total war webpage too.practically confirmed
>>338899906
GW (the company that runs it) destroyed the setting and game and replaced it with a worse one, so not really.
Fans have made a 9th edition online and you can still get the models at least.
Before the purge though, WHFB was a superior setting and game to 40k despite the latter being far more popular.
>>338899918
This is my favorite pasta. Mostly because it promotes happiness and fun. Enjoy anon.
>>338899803
>>338900001
POLAR BEAR RIDERS WHEN
>>338899669
Araby doesn't have an armybook in the tabletop game from which the devs can generate a substantial unit list for them. I guess they could use creative freedom to make something for them.
The south of the Southlands is mostly forests, with Lizardmen and goblins.
>>338900131
I really hope so.
They have an extremely "fun" start position as well.
>>338899906
The tabletop game officially doesn't exist anymore, and has been replaced by Age of Sigmar which is arguably worse.
Even if it did, I'd tell you no because of the high cost on entry. I guess if you hate money and like painting hundreds of models, you could.
>>338891946
>>338891946
playing as the empire, i'm not at war with any of the other empire factions, brettonia or dwarves. i just let them be and use them as a barrier against enemies. the true enemy is chaos nigga.
>>338898084
I'm in the same situation....
Please just let me go back.
>>338898135
High Elves, Dark Elves, Beastmen, and Skaven would be the most sensible 4 main factions to set for the sequel game. Keep it in the Old World for now, though obviously you'd have Ulthuan and maybe Naggaroth campaigns. Plus a purely subterranean Dwarf campaign that has underground stuff with Goblins and Skaven.
Elves and Skaven are the most popular armies left out by this point. In terms of fan-popularity, it was pretty much Empire > Warriors of Chaos > Dwarfs > Orcs > Skaven > Vampires > High Elves > Beastmen > Lizardmen > Daemon > Dark Elves > Wood Elves > Ogres > Tomb Kangz
>>338899906
No. It's way too expensive and time consuming.
>>338898084
Tried setting everything back to the same exact settings but it still won't work right.
>>338900472
>Tomb Kings will never get in
>>338900142
There are lizardmen in the Southlands? I thought they only lived in an island on the east side of the Worlde, and in the New World.
What makes the lizardmen in the forests of the Southlands different from the ones of the New World? Or they are the same?
>>338900472
An Elven Civil War and War of the Beard campaign would be pretty cool actually.
>>338898578
Araby, Estalia, and Tilea were never represented on the table by official armies so I doubt they'd have anything special. In the old WHFB world outside of the Old World you have shit going down on Ulthuan (High Elves homeland), Naggaroth (Dark Elves homeland), Nehekhara (Tomb Kings desert to the south), and Lustria (here be Lizardmen).
Calthay/Nippon are pretty popular among hardcore fans but literally besides appearing on a map have done or appeared in nothing.
>>338900564
I'm an autist with no friends and nothing to spend my wage slave money on
I've got nothing but time.
first ever webm, pls dont rape my face
>>338870674
You realize the tabletop game is basically TW, right?
>>338900653
There's a major Lizardmen city in the Southlands.
Culturally or physically? I'm guessing there's little difference between them and the Lustria Lizardmen.
>>338900625
They will eventually just so Nagash can appear. He's the big bad of WHFB, Chaos/Achaeron ain't got shit on him.
>>338900891
How would they balance Nagash in game given that in fluff he can wipe entire continents with a single spell?
>>338900625
>Ogre Kingdoms probably won't get in either
They could at least make some recruitable Ogre mercenaries
>>338900786
I set everything to low except unit size on my crappy comp as I just wanted big armies.
I'm perfectly satisfied with this level of animation, but maybe that's because the only games I play besides this are Starcraft 1, WC3, AoE 2, and Dawn of War
>>338900786
Runs great, no flickering or other issues newfags at webms get. Now webm something meaningful and possibly larger(in time).
>>338900989
Because he has a tabletop modeland lost to Sigmar
>>338901041
>>338901041
hmm. my units are at large, but can i set it to ultra ? i know in previous TW games, once you start a campaign, that's not the case..
>>338901041
>>338900786
This, big armies is a must, if you are not playing huge wars then is just time to end your life m8.
>>338900774
Then build yourself a great computer and play some online games.
You something like 350-500€ to build a decent army and it can takes fucking forever to paint each model and then you have to find people who want to play and then it takes like 4 hours to go through a regular game because you'll spend most of your time measuring, moving models (although it's faster in fantasy than in wh40k) and counting dice.
No, really, tabletop warhammer has nothing on RTS vidya.
>>338900625
tomb kings location is on the ingame map
theyre basically 100% confirmed
>>338899487
Every other TW game never had truly unique factions because they were working within historical guidelines. This is most evident in Napoleon Total War (I love this game mind you, but everyone is the same for an understandable reason).
Without being bounded by history or realism, CA can go all-out and you have truly unique armies and crazy gameplay mechanics. Can't have a Catholic Priest bringing down meteorites on British soldiers in Empire Total War
>>338899918
Have fun anon!
>>338900872
Thank you for all the info. Are there any High Elves in the Old World or Southlands or the east? Or did they all move to the Atlantian island?
I like wood elves better anyway.
>>338901245
I don't know about doing it mid-campaign, but you can set your units to ultra and everything else low in game settings.
It works for me, even though whenever I start the game I get an alert saying my drivers are out of date.
>>338901062
Really wish we had more than a 3mb limit.
>that flying orc though
>>338901430
I guess you can justify there being High Elf colonies and guardposts around the Old World (as they do exist), but yes, most are on Ulthuan.
>>338901346
CA has said they wanted to include all the playable factions on the tabletop game. The only question is will the games success last long enough for this, and what order/how long it will take.
Even adding Kislev/Estalia/Tilea/Araby skins shouldn't be that hard as they basically fight like the Empire just with different outfits and monsters.
>>338870141
>Gunners shooting through friendly troops with no friendly fire
>Better battles
>>338901516
>>338901516
dang nigga. i played rome 2 at ultra, and now, i have a gud computer desktop. ultra graphics and all bluhd. i don't know how you manage nigs.
>>338901430
>>338901632
There are a few High Elf colonies left outside of Ulthuan. There's a big one on the tip of Calthay whose name I forget. It gets wrecked by the Dark Eldar.
>>338900237
Kislev in the setting literally absorbs 90% of Chaos invasions and the Empire just takes it for granted.
Being Kislev is suffering.
>>338901986
The Empire is always a bunch of ungrateful shits.
This is why I serve the Lady.
>>338900786
Is this actually low settings? Why doesn't mine look like that?
gettin a little bit of slowdown in fights. Graphically everythings a bit indistinguishable.
Can I fight in tercio formations in this game? Spears/Helberds in front, Handgunners/Crossbowmen behind? Or will they just not fire at the enemy because they're in the way?
>>338902085
There's a bit in the 7th Ed Empire army book where it says just as the Imperials are ungrateful for the sacrifice made by Kislev, Bretonnia/Estalia/Araby/Tilia are ungrateful for the sacrifice made by the Empire, because they also shield them from Chaos invasions
>>338902245
You can fight however you want senpai.
I send dwarven archers to the front and they actually win.
>>338901702
it's not up to CA
it's up to Games Workshop to decide what CA adds in or not
How is Chaos? Hardmode?
>>338897169
>Fight as Dwarfs
>Enemy AI uses Goblin spider riders
This is suffering. Prepare for endless chasing.
>>338902245
Can't do that. Vision will get obstructed.
>>338902245
>Spears/Helberds
those are not pikes
But regarding your question I don't think so, handgunners need to be in front or at the sides of the square.
Also wait for an estalian / tilean rooster mod
>>338894091
>Man hits woman
>Saved by more men
DELETE THIS
>>338902245
It works, even with guns
You have to manually target each gunner though, otherwise they stand there doing nothing
>>338902245
I used to do this in TW med 2. You can put you're units in formation overlapping eachother. But it can break up the phalanx and gunman would shoot your guys.
>>338898135
One of those things is not like the other, one of those things just doesn't belong...
>>338902809
>>338902245
You should remember you can pause time, command, and then continue playing so it wouldn't penalize you at all if you did that manually.
>>338870674
Skaven are stealthy cowardly bastards, but when the time is right they'll take to the field in millions and fight all-out battles with giant siege engines.
See this for such an example
http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Skaven_Wars
>>338900472
>Wood Elves higher than Tomb Kings
>>338902914
Which one?
Lizardmen in the south, Dark elves in the north, island of high elves, north of dark elves is the chaos wastes, or not?
>>338903041
I had no idea I could do this.
Holy shit this makes sieges so much easier.
Serious question, can elfs and humans marry and have children like in The Hobbit?
Oh and where do halflings and cat people live?
>>338903275
If you're doing "New World", ie. Ulthuan and Lustria, there are two races involved with Ulthuan (High and Dark Elves) and two races involved with Lustria, (Lizardmen and..?).
Think, anon.
>>338903110
Tomb Kings were so unpopular GW erased them from fluff for Age of Shitmar. They got Squat'd.
Granted Bretonnia got the same treatment.
>>338903412
It teaches you to play wrong though, when you go multiplayer you are gonna get destroyed.
>>338891495
It is, but they made all the elector counts their own faction. You can absorb them via diplomacy, but you need to be way more powerful than them.
>>338903507
To note: besides Nagash everybody liked Vampires way more. It's why when Nagash got a model and reappeared in End Times he was basically leading a Vampire army.
>>338903487
Chaos Daemons would make sense given they can materialize pretty much anywhere and the Lizardmen were literally created to fight them.
>>338862681
Just get a credit card for Vidya. A Mook like you will probably only get a 300 limit anyway so you can't fuck yourself wit debt too much
>>338891495
>Empire
>Not being a bunch of back-stabbing provinces where each Count fucks over the other
CA captured it perfectly. Empire is based on the Holy Roman Empire where affiliation didn't mean very so much save when an outside threat appeared.
>>338902383
>smug quarrelers shooting from 2 miles away
>something actually manages to get in melee and gets routed anyway
>>338894513
Its probably because they can't match up all the different monsters and shit, so they just give them generic swings.
>>338903487
Lustria is dominated by the Lizardmen, but it has Skaven and Dark Elf colonies on it. Hell even the Human empire of Estalia (based on Early Modern Spain) has settlements there led by Conquistadors.
Guns need buffs. Crossbowmen/Archers equivalents are just better
>>338903921
In my experience guns are far better than bows or archers. Get the technology buffs for them to increase fire speed.
Here's an interesting map (not by me, btw) that seems pretty detailed though poorly edited.
Graphics aside, this is probably the full setting we'll eventually get from CA. Calthy/Nippon are never gonna happen.
>>338900653
During the great disaster magic went wrong and sunk the landbridge connecting the two.
>>338903989
You could get the same tech bonuses for archers/crossbows too.
>>338903052
>The Skaven were struck with their own pestilence, their numbers rapidly dwindling
Why? They weren't inmune to their own disease?
Why wasn't theEmpire attacked by all sides during that time? Why didn't the vampires rose the trillions of dead? Tell me what were the neighbors doing, anon-kun.
>>338903646
Wrong answer, the Lizardmen have a more pressing threat in Lustria. Again, if the next expansion or whatever is focusing on the New World, you CANNOT have Lustria without this other faction.
>>338903838
>Skaven
Bingo. Lustria doesn't just have Skaven colonies, it's fucking infested with Clan Pestilens.
>>338904328
I don't see this happening. You won't get both sides, and since we are already on Not-Europe we will get that side.
>>338904373
But guns are more damaging and more armor piecing
>>338904489
If they ever want to include Lizardmen and Dark Elves they'll need to include both continents
>>338903780
this, all my rage, they're supposed to be fucking archers, FUCKING DORFS
>>338903838
There's also some crazy Vampire Count that established his own colony on Lustria. Lizardmen can't chase him off because their best defenses (disease, the elements, attrition) aren't effective against undead
This map has what I mean >>338904328
>>338904328
>>338904328
there's a samurai land in warhammer? where???
>>338904328
Cathay and Nippon aren't places with actual lore, or armies.
>>338904652
>Lizardmen
There are lizardmen in not africa
>>338904328
>Evil Elves thrown from paradise of Ulthuan which is basically not-UK
>Flee to Naggaroth which is basically not-North America
I see what those Brits at GW were doing
>>338904652
Based on the image, Southlands has Lizardmen colonies. Other people have also said smaller Dark Elf clans already exist in the old world.
TW:W could expand the existing map south and East heavily, and just make it so factions have come in and landed on the western coast to explain Dark Elves and Lizardmen.
I absolutely don't see them adding the ship aspect of Warhammer to TWW, and removing sea battles was a fucking good decision because they were shit.
>>338904908
>>removing sea battles was a fucking good decision because they were shit.
>>removing sea battles was a fucking good decision because they were shit.
>>removing sea battles was a fucking good decision because they were shit.
>>removing sea battles was a fucking good decision because they were shit.
>>338904823
>>338904823
They have appeared on this one full world map but yeah have never have any armies or any real lore.
The only non-Empire human kingdoms explored in any depth have been Bretonnia and to a lesser extent Kislev.
>>338904759
There's Nippon, which is basically Japan, but it has no armies, lore, or history.
The literal only things we know about it is that it would be approvimated where you'd think it would be and that the Skaven learned some ninja arts of stealth from there. That's it.
>>338905007
There is no such thing as a good Real-time strategy game with good sea-battles. Same thing goes for the Total War series.
Nobody wants to watch slow-ass ships miss at each other and then have a battle that would be better done on land.
>>338905007
They were though. Same with siege battles. Sieges got entirely revamped.
Sea battles are impossible to salvage. Go back auto-resolve boat battles.
>>338904446
Clan Pestillens are the disease-based skaven, with sickass plague monks and shit. Likely it was one of the other clans that got wrekt by a rogue plague censer going berserk.
>>338904446
Clan Pestilens are immune to their own diseases. Everyone else isn't.
Or if that's not satisfying enough, someone at Pestilens probably backstabbed them.
>>338904759
Its beyond the scope of that map. Here, far right. China Kingdom akin to Three Kingdoms/Romance of the Three Kingdoms/Dynasty Warriors exist too.
Nippon taught ninjutsu to the goblins or something.
>>338905007
>>338905154
WHFB sea battles could be kek though. Just as over-the-top as you'd expect from the Warhammer brand.
CA has a full slate of possibilities here as they're not bound by history or realism
Favorite Wind of Magic? High Magic and Dark Magic fagtrons need not apply.
>>338905007
Empire+Nappy sea battles were boring and the strategy amounted to who had the ship with the most guns.
Rome 2 sea battles were just big AI messes and the idea of losing an elite unit with just one ram was silly.
I can't say much about Shogun 2 sea battles as I rarely partook in them.
FOTS sea battles were okay, I'll give them that.
>>338905589
>goblin
Skaven.
>>338864447
Greatswords have worse defensive stats, but significantly improved offensive ones. They'll kill things so much faster that they actually end up taking less damage than a unit of swordsmen.
>>338905907
>skavenOgre.
>On 168th turn of chaos
>only remember cuz I said I'd go to bed after I took over those bear flag guys.
>they keep using March to run between these 2 settlements do I can't do anything
Never have I been more annoyed and chaos homie is idiot
>>338893994
well hes basically cant be killed so....
>>338904328
How will they do it though? Expanding this game so it's huge, or multiple games spanning different areas?
I hope CA puts in Beastmen just so I can do forest orgies
>>338906117
kek
>tfw Ogres never
>>338893994
He has Warp powers so could fuck up your average Marine.
Also his sword would be classified as a daemon weapon in 40k and that shit rips right through power armor.
>>338902245
You can't.
Hope I helped.
>>338862874
Exactly what is the problem with Denuvo?
>>338902451
I found it to be the easiest campaign actually (haven't played VC yet though), just for the fact that you don't have any settlements to defend.
>>338907004
DRMeme, just ignore it.
>>338900027
didn't they stop production of non AoS models? get them used, sure
>>338901807
>Dark Eldar
>>338900472
>Elves and Skaven are the most popular armies left out by this point
Elves are faggot-tier, Lizardmen need to be the priority
>>338907004
Not him but it mildly upsets me when I am interested in a game but there is no demo or crack.
I'll probably just pick it up in a year or so for 50% off beacuse I'm not willing to spend that much on a blind purchase.
>>338905825
FotS naval battles had the worst ai I have ever seen in my life. Half of the time I don't think there was any ai running at all.
>>338907590
This desu.
I'm not entirely sure how the game will perform on my PC or what settings I need.
I've always pirated to see how it runs and then bought. Without pirating I don't feel safe when buying a videogame. Been scammed way too many times.
>>338905654
>Hating High Magic
get owned scrub
Lore of the Heavens is good. HELLO COMET OF CASSANDORA, YES I'D LIKE SOMEONE'S SHIT BLOWN UP
>>338862554
Doing a coop campaign with a buddy. He's Empire and I'm Vampire Counts. Just had a 45 minute long siege taking Castle Templehof with Kemmler and an army of tier 1 and 2 units. I haven't had this much fun with a game in awhile.
>>338903435
hello?
>>338907205
GW still sells every pre-AoS model besides Tomb Kangz and Bretonnia who have been erased. Just they're renamed for copyright reasons.
So "Dark Elves War Hydra" is now renamed "Scourge Privateer Kharibdyss" because GW can copyright it.
Similiarly as every WHFB character has either been erased or ascended to godhood, their models have just become generic HQ units. Mannfred von Carstein's model is now just called a "Vampire Lord" on GW's website.
>>338908332
pls repsond
>>338903435
>an elfs and humans marry and have children
They probably had it in old lore but it has since been dropped afaik.
>Oh and where do halflings and cat people live?
I forget if there are cat people but halflings live in The Moot.
Man WAAAAUGH's are fucking ridiculous, when one pops up you can straight up autobattle down everything with ease.
>>338903435
>>338908332
I think they can. But it's seen as a corruption and they don't.
Eldar/Human hybrids even used to be a thing in 40k many years ago.
>>338908332
Halflings live in The Moor in the Empire (see >>338904328). I don't know if human/elf interbreeding was ever addressed in any WH fantasy fluff. I don't actually remember there being cat people in fantasy, but if there is it's probably in Far Cathay. Everything not explained in the fluff is in Far Cathay.
>>338908452
had no idea, I thought they purged their webstore (haven't played tabletop years)
will they continue producing the old models?
>>338908523
forgot pic
>Full stack VC army against army half the size
>Auto resolve
>Only 300 casualties
>The Varghulf was one of them
>>338908882
save before you auto-resolve fag
>>338908631
It's mentioned in passing that the beastmen of Ind are tiger people like the ones you find in the empire are goats
>>338908652
I don't think they'll keep producing them, they're trying to push the old factions away as far as possible. Every faction has since been chopped up, Empire is now "Devoted of Sigmar", "Celestial Orders", "Freeguilds", etc..
And they are slowly releasing newer more 40k-ish models to replace the older ones. This is an "Orruk Ironjaw", which is basically the new version of a Black Orc.
this is a comfy thread
>>338908631
Ind was supposed to have good beastmen and chaos demons who were good
post AoS the community turned it into a furry fetish
>>338879401
I use bats the same way.
>>338905589
>>338905589
interesting. does chaos ever go there? or have chaos always gone west?
>>338881436
Use mods, there is one that gives each lord a different starting point and control of his own faction.
