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https://twitter.com/CivGame/status/735471060695416832teddy is replacing george i


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https://twitter.com/CivGame/status/735471060695416832

teddy is replacing george in civ 6

http://franchise.civilization.com/en/news/2016-05-theodore-roosevelt-leads-the-americans-in-civilization-vi/
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>>338835483
who?
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>>338835483
That's fine, I would have preferred Jackson though. Also disappointed that we still don't have a confederacy scenario situation, but I guess we don't want to offend the blacks
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About damn time.
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why

i mean Teddy was pretty important, but George Washington is easily the most famous and well known president by far
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>>338835483
Hoping China will get a leader that is in any way accurate to whatever traits their Civ gets this time, because there was a huge mismatch between the kind of reign Wu Zetian had and the traits they had handed out.

Cao Cao would've actually been a great fit for them and I'm hoping we'll see him as Chinas leader in Civ one day.

If all of them will be moving to more recent ones like from Washington to Roosevelt there's a couple interesting choices to be had across Europe, like De Gaulle for France or Adenauer/Brandt for Germany to match up closer with Britain's Winston Churchill.
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>>338835483
But for real, redpill me on TR, or is he truly the based huntsman alpha manly as fuck fat guy that I hear so much about?
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>>338835483
I can play Eggman now?
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>>338835662
Honestly I think he's a better choice as he represents the America that exists in the game a lot better than Washington does. Washington really was prior to the modern idea of what America is, he was just a wealthy colonist.
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>>338835662
Way I see it, the USA rep can be one of 4 people.
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>>338835707
They ought to put Peter the Great or Ivan the Terrible as the leader of Russia if they're changing things up.
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>>338835727
Yes, he's the definition of what America is and should be today. Trump is the reincarnation of TR
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>>338835483
>another white male instead of Obama
I will immediately tell my SJW friends about this
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>not Obama

wtf?
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>>338835727
He was really anti-jew but so was everyone from that time. That's about the only thing people don't mention about him.
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>>338835483
Why not replace all the female rulers with male ones who are also a thousand times more influential?

Oh wait, no. You need to pander to a certain quota and politics. Historicity be damned.
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>>338835824
None of this shit would be a problem if they kept the Civ 4 way of picking a nation and then a ruler, with his own bonuses.
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>>338835567
>Jackson

Fucking lolin @ you familia.
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>>338835483
>we have to wait for Civilization 7 to play as best President.
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>>338835483
Surprised it's not Obama. Hell I wouldn't be surprised it they were delusional enough to make it Hillary. I guess they didn't want to pay for their likeness.
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>>338835727
TR was all about his image. He might've been a toughguy huntsman but i'd say its about 50/50 on truth and set up photo ops.
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>>338835973
You are as delusional as the people you see as your enemies.
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>>338835954
Trump vs Hitler vs Shaka
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>>338835567
the reason there's no confederacy is quite simple: they were not a civilization
they existed for the duration of a single war, which they lost
they created no culture and no lasting influence upon the world
be happy you got a scenario in civ V
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>>338835973
I feel like no matter who wins the coming election, people are going to redpill on Obama pretty hard in the next 4 years. Maybe they'll even finally talk about how he isn't actually black but mixed and sort out proper racial recognition not based on negative bias.
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>>338835483
2 UU and one UB for all civs?
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>>338835836
lets be fair though, out of all the female rulers shoehorned into civ V, Russia and England had quite good picks. Sure she was no Peter the Great but at the very least she was a well known and influential ruler.

Could be a whole lot worse like say picking Bouddica
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>>338835483
FUCKING YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
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>>338836159
P. much. They were a rebellion. No other rebellion is a playable faction.

If anything, West Germany/East Germany would both be playable loooooooooooong before US/Confederacy would be, and North/South Korea aswell.
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>>338836141
>implying they'd be at war
>implying they wouldn't team up to destroy the Jews/Muslims
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>>338836232
Bouddica was a good pick for the celts, though, just not for Britain. I mean its her or Chu Chulain, and she was a bit more real.
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>multiple leaders for each civ deconfirmed
well that's disappointing
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>>338836193
I like it how some people are unable to criticize without talking about how he is / isn't black, and the people who defend him can't do it without mentioning how black he is.

Could you criticize obama without talking about his race?
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Most OP president tbqh, even if Lincoln has his "suspend the writ of habeas corpus" special
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>>338836286
hmm, you might be right
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>>338835924
you say that like it's a bad thing
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Dodged a bullet this time, was almost sure they were gonna choose Obama or some shit.
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>>338835981
It was partially photo-op, sure, but he did live on the frontier after his wife died. That's hard enough to get him more than 50%.
He did love the outdoors. Wouldn't have made all those conservation efforts otherwise.
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>>338836351
The flashy and new way they do the dialog screens currently leaves no room for different leaders for the same nation, since they'd have to record new lines, make new character models and new animations.
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>>338835727
>used to run stings on his own corrupt officers, beat the shit out of them, and fire them, back when he was a police chief
>got shot during one of his campaign speeches, got the fuck back up, and delivered the rest of his speech before going to the hospital
>killed shit tons of large dangerous animals during hia safaris
>literally cured his own asthma through his willpower alone
>established his own military unit called the Roughriders, made up of ivy league students, and they kicked some serious ass
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>>338836353
Sure, by talking about him making the Bush tax cuts permanent, in general being heavily corporatist, or pulling moves like nominating Merrick Garland as supreme justice all the time where he picks a conservative choice to seem bipartisan and then gets stonewalled and forced to settle for something ridiculous far more right.

I'm not even criticizing his race, I'm criticizing people for not correctly identifying him.
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Cleopatra confirmed for Egyptian leader. Fuck.
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>>338836353
under obama's administration, I'm not allowed to work at one place part-time for more than 25 hours a week because universal healthcare forces arbitrary restrictions on my employer for full-time workers that they don't want to have to deal with
I don't blame them, I blame the president
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>>338835567
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>>338835483
>still cant pick our leaders
what the fuck Shill-axis?
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>>338836384
>Obama looking at all the guys to his left lik "fuck"
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>>338836318
Bouddica fucking sucks mate
she's known for being raped, starting a failed rebellion and being raped even more
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>>338835483

fuck that imperialist
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>>338836353
We could bring up all the lies, socialism, favoring corporations that he condemned during the elections, warmongering despite being a Nobel peace prize, more US soldiers dead in Afghanistan than during Bush's government, arming the US' enemies and almost causing World War III, but it's just easier to call him King Nigger and be done with it.
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>>338836559
>>338836590

Good work, have a Trump.
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>>338836159
They did create culture but I'll agree on them not being a Civ. But the South has some of the most American culture there is
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>>338835727
>redpill me

fuck off, reddit
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>>338836635
So who do you think should have led the Celts?

Vercingetorix seems like he should be Gauls, not Celts.
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>>338836565
gonna need a link on that mate
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Are we sure thats Roosevelt, looks like that lard ass Taft.
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>>338836559
People in the US don't differentiate between purebloods and halfbreeds.
Go back to Haiti where they killed each other for two centuries over how dark a darkie you are.
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>>338836727
Roosevelt was a big guy
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>>338835483
The ultimate meme president
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>>338836351
making those animated leaders takes time and effort
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>>338836712
honestly why not just cut your losses and make a Gaulish civ instead of a celtic one?
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Why must it always be a really old and superbly racist American President?

Why can't we just get Bill Clinton and have a nice bonus for prostitution (or "entertainment") in our lands?
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>>338835887
>thinking Trump believes in any of that

All Trump believes in is the dollar, and the ability to acquire more. Don't kid yourself.
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>>338836678
the culture of the south was more of a cause for the civil war than a result of it
as a result that culture is still firmly part of the USA not the CSA
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>>338836780
Yeah for you maybe.
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Teddy's a cool guy
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>>338835727
He was a fucking machismo obsessed idiot who lucked his way into office and he should have died when he charged that hill in Cuba.
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So...

Elizabeth I
Teddy Roosevelt
Gandhi
Alexander the Great
Shaka
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>>338836823
but bill clinton is a serial rapist
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>>338836930
Where did you get those from?
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>>338836772
In the US, a man with a white mother and black father is Black.

In Kenya, a man with a white mother and black father is White.

Factually, he is mixed.

So why is it so decisive nationally, but so divisive between different cultures?

Do we assume that one can simply "identify" as a race and then _is_ them? Could a fully white man decide to identify as black and everyone would accept it? Yes? No? If No, would it be fine if he is 1/4th black? 1/2?

Since none of that has been even really laid out or talked about, it's more likely that it stems from other factors, and it's easy to see them:

US had a history of discrimination against blacks.

Kenya had a history of discrimination against whites.

Furthermore: Nazi Germany checked for your "purity", and if you had Jew in you, you were a Jew.

Thus we discover a trend that the most negatively viewed and negatively biased against racial identity is the one assigned by society in the cases of actually mixed people.

In essence, Obama is only black if you're racially biased against blacks, because factually he is mixed and nothing else.
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>civs have three unique things about them

it's progress, I guess

Unique unit: P-51 Mustang
The P-51 “Mustang,” an aircraft created by America during World War II, was designed as a long-range, high-altitude fighter to serve in dogfights, escort bombers and even enact bombing missions on its own. The P-51 Mustang was able to outmaneuver the best German Luftwaffe fighters above 15,000 feet and even outlast the efficient Japanese fighters, and by 1943 the P-51 Mustang was in service on every American front.

Unique unit: Rough Rider
The 1st United States Volunteer Cavalry, better known by its colloquial moniker the “Rough Riders,” was a regiment recruited and raised by Theodore Roosevelt in 1898 AD to fight in the Spanish-American War. This volunteer regiment included 1,060 ranchers, cowboys, college athletes, miners and other rugged outdoorsmen hailing from New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma and Arizona.

Unique Building: Film Studio
Thomas Edison, the much vaunted American inventor and businessman, created the first film studio in West Orange, New Jersey back in 1893. His film studio was used to capture the amusing larks of vaudeville and theater actors, to display within penny arcades, fairground tents and unused theaters. By 1920, there were a dozen film studios in operation around Hollywood, California, each feeding what would become an American and global obsession with film.
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>>338836930
honestly, while I get that he's a running joke
Gandhi just feels wrong
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>>338836823
>implying racisism is bad when the old Presidents literally made America the greatest country in the world

Plebeian please learn your history. No great civilization became great by opening their arms and welcoming lazy minorities. The USA is in its deathbed now because of this ridiculous movement based on how racist something is or isn't
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>>338836918
>He was a fucking machismo obsessed idiot
t. faggot raised by a single feminist mother
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>>338836918
>lucked
>not by knowing the right people
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>>338836992
>2 lategame improvements
>1 midgame at best, possibly lategame as well
USA confirmed for low tier
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>The flashy and new way they do the dialog screens currently leaves no room for different leaders for the same nation, since they'd have to record new lines, make new character models and new animations.
The flashy and new way they do the dialog screens currently leaves no room for different leaders for the same nation, since they'd have to record new lines, make new character models and new animations.

Yeah, because there are sooo many high quality mo-capped animations in a civ game already. For fucks sake, it's not that much work.
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>>338836467
Obama's illusion is going to evaporate soon, and he knows it.
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>>338835727
>Spends his life telling American mothers to pump out babies to send to die on foreign soil
>Celebrates when his two sons kill germans in WW1
>Loses his shit when his third son dies in combat
LMAO
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>>338836990
>In essence, Obama is only black if you're racially biased against blacks, because factually he is mixed and nothing else.

Most people call him black mostly the people who voted for him, not just the ebil boggeymen from /pol/.
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>>338835887
Teddy didn't take kindly to oligarchy, trusts, destroying the environment, etc. Your friend Trump shares no characteristics with Teddy, frankly the insinuation is insulting.
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>>338836823
Abdul fuck off, Based Roosevelt is what America should be. Not a middle-american beta who can't say no to his demon wife
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>>338836990
This is kind of pedantic, Obama is the first black president in the sense that he's the first president with any black heritage at all. No-one is trying to claim he's some PUREBLOODS ONLY, MASTER VOLDEMORT or some shit
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>>338836992
why does america always get the fucking late game units, surely there's something from colonial america that can be used
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>>338835887
Mexicans are ruining America. They just don't assimilate. Spanish should not be spoken in this country.
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>>338837026
That's a form of luck too, anon.
>>338837014
>t.
Your meme is old broski.
>>338837013
>I know nothing about anything but I'm gonna talk like I don't
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>>338837134
Excuse me, but Bill Clinton was the first black president, not Obama.
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>>338836880
if all he wanted was money, why would he bother running for president? he stands to make a lot more money from his private business ventures than that.
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>>338836678
>southern "culture"
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>>338837107
I know they do, and its what bothers me. It bothers me that he, or actual black politicians that want to see America's actual "first black president" haven't brought up yet that Obama's race is not correctly identified nor that the discussion about this has been had.

Culturally, the discussion on how to define mixed people, and if they can identify as in my examples, seems long overdue when the leader of your country is relevant to it.

I'm not saying they're actively racist, I'm saying they are biased toward calling someone who's 50/50 black because their environment is biased to do so, the same way Kenya would be biased to call him white.
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>>338837192
Funny because he actually did do way the fuck more for blacks than Obama did.
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Anyone else grown to like the new art style now? Between >>338836992 this and https://twitter.com/CivGame/status/735471060695416832 this it looks pretty expressive and I'm liking it
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>>338837123
America is already a racist shithole that lucked it's way into power while suffering from obesity so I guess you got your wish :^)
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so who are you hoping for?
>marcus flavius
>peter the great
>william the conqueror
>akhenaten
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>>338837192
With the way that he rapes women, he may as well be considered one.
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>>338837175
Explain to me how I know nothing you retard, history has proven time and time again that multiculturalism is what kills great kingdoms and empires
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>>338837263
Fucking over blacks is a time-honored black tradition.
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i'm not buying this game unless they drastically revamp the art style
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>>338835483
this is dumb. george washington is america, not this fat fuck
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>>338837279
Can hardly see much of it, it looks cartoony, some parts are good, but the horse having an expression just makes it look like some cheap disney ripoff.
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>>338836990
>In essence, Obama is only black if you're racially biased against blacks, because factually he is mixed and nothing else.

Unless we go by dominant genes, in which case all of the (largely positive) white genes get functionally obliterated as they're recessive.

That's why most American blacks, despite a good deal of white ancestors, are predominantly ugly, impulsive, and dumb as rocks.
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>>338837279
>Anyone else grown to like the new art style now?

No.

Fuck no. What the fuck is wrong with you?
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Harriet Tubman should represent the USA Civ.
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>>338837369
did everyone on earth just forget that civ iv, the dick of which most people here suck, is as ridiculous and cartoony as you can get?
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>>338836252
This. I'd like to see a Confederacy Civ as well but let's be fair here; the floodgates would have to open up for a shitload of other Civs as well.

Even so, they'd never do it for the same reason that it's rare for a WW2 game to feature a campaign from the Axis. No one wants that level of shitstorm.
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>>338836990
If you pour a teaspoon of wine into a bottle of sewage, you get a bottle of sewage.

If you pour a teaspoon of sewage into a bottle of wine, you get a bottle of sewage.
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>>338837397
I thought Abe Lincoln was America.
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>>338835483
Finally a real man as our leader. Does this mean America will be hella aggressive expansionist?
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>>338837313
>history has proven time and time again that multiculturalism is what kills great kingdoms and empires

post some examples
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>>338837292
pedro you shouldn't talk shit about obesity when coca cola has replaced water in your shithole
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I just want Canada
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>Canada will never be a civ

Feels good man, fuck leafs.
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>>338837369
Well they don't care for you, so suck it. Pirate that shit
Goodluck if it has denuvo
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All my knowledge of T. Roosevelt comes from Don Rosa comics.
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>>338837452
Even if what you said made sense, why would people want more of the same? The art style sucks. Nobody is asking for more cartoony.
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>>338837452
and yet it still manages to look like a 2005 PC game and not a 2016 mobile game
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>>338837452
there's cartoony and then there's mobile cartoony

>>338837521
only if its a joke civ with justin trudeau as the leader
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>>338837320
Well yeah, have you seen what goes on in the hood

>Get rep for mixtape
>Hey, senpai, holla at your boy, remember I was wit ya sista we practically family
>Oh, honky don't care bout the hood no mo'
>[monkeys shooting ensues]

Worse than Mexicans when it comes to comraderie
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>>338837419
You just proved his point. Also because you know fuck all about genetics.
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>>338837307
Hatshepsut
Mansu Masa
Henry VIII (if only for the personality)
Enrico Dandolo again (same)
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>>338837521
>wasting a Civ slot for a literal meme country
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>>338836141
>Trump vs Hitler vs Shaka
What would Trump's traits be? Or special buildings?

>Great Wall of China removed as a Wonder option
>Replaced with the Trump Wall in the later stages of the game.
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>>338835662
I'd bet a 1000$ that George Bush is more famous and well known than Washington around the world
>>338837279
I honestly don't get why people disliked the art style in the first place. It looks way better aesthetically.
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>>338837369
This.

>>338837452
There's no excuse to downgrade now from the level of graphics from Civ 5 to these shitty over simplified phone graphics. This is just a blatant knock off of Endless' artstyle.
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>>338837313

lol

you sound pretty confident
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>>338837560
why is that guy and his comics so popular in europe?
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>>338837560
you know it
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>>338837231
Are you seriously this fucking stupid?>>338837313
It really hasn't m8

And if you think it has then you know jack fucking shot about history
>>338837307
I want Charles IV, Johan van Oldenbarnevelt, and Lenin
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>>338837597
There's really no choice for Venetian leaders other than Dandolo. He was too badass.

Maybe we could see a playable Hansa though, considering Venice is a glorified version of it.
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>>338837507
Rome comes to mind, also South Africa post apartheid is another notable example.
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>>338837521
>unique building: marijuana dispensary
>DUUUDE WEED LMAO
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>>338837507
ottoman empire
austro-hungarian empire
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>>338837683
because they like good comics in europe
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>>338837729
>Rome comes to mind,
POINT AT HIM

POINT AT THIS RETARD AND LAUGH
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>>338836351
what animal is that?
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>>338837507
The fall of the Roman Empire for starters.
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>>338837307
ROLLO
>>338837606
>Trump
>Muslim Stand
ehehhe
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>>338835483
That animation looks like shit. I hope that's not the finished product
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>>338837710
I meant in the sense that Venice came back, they're a series first in Civ V and their chances don't seem super high
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>>338837747
I just want Antarctica ruled by a Penguin to be playable.
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>>338837560
>>338837692
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>>338835567

>a "country" that was around for 4-5 years
>GIBS ME GAEM

No anon you are the blacks.
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>>338837307
who would william the conqueror be the leader of though?

normans aren't exactly a civilization
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>>338835483
What is this, a Teddy for ants?
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>>338837784
>>338837784
Rome allowed barbarians into their empire, aka people who have no allegiance to Rome so don't give a shit or help when times get hard
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>>338837694
>Are you seriously this fucking stupid?
not an argument
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>Hitler will never be the civ leader of Germany
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>>338837747
>>338837729
>this is what retarded stem majors actually believe

Jesus Christ
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>>338835567
>confederacy
>relevant
>ever

I bet the next thing you're going to suggest is Rhodesia, memers always do
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>>338837835
I loved playing as Venice and yeah I hope they come back. More diverse systems like that would be nice to see in general, like Greece have some actual sort of city state mechanic for their cities and maybe some nations ability to colonize, or nomadic civilizations ability to move.
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>>338837906
weren't normans were a civilization in AoE2
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>>338837819
i hate to break it to you, but the roman empire didn't fall because of multiculturalism, it fell because rome spent years\decades\centuries getting involved in costly wars and annexing territories that it didn't have the resources to govern properly
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>>338837983
His empire didn't stand the test of time
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>>338837058
>rough riders
>not early game
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>>338836384
>Grover Cleveland
>only american president to win three presidential elections in a row
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>>338837906
The dutch I guess since he was an Oranje?

I'd like to see an independent Holy Roman Empire faction thats seperate from Germany in the way Celts were seperate from England, and with Charlemagne as leader.
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>>338837175

Yup, definitely raised by a single mom. Harden up, softboy.
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>>338837983
I mean they can't really make you be able to befriend Hitler
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>>338837991
shouldn't you be busy serving coffee you liberal arts cuck
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>>338837954
I'm not arguing m8 I'm asking a question

>>338837932
Is this what you're actually taught in American schools? Is this seriously how simplified and grossly inaccurate your education system is?
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>>338836992
>It's a America Civ fucking sucks installment
Wew, 6 games running
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>>338837906
normans were sort of separate to france, although he could just as easily be a king of england
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Wasn't George Washington there too at some point?

Teddy certainly is a more prominent leader than a guy who was just a figurehead for the conclave of founders and whose greatest achievement as a president was leaving when his term was over.
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>>338837162
Half of the country was built on the labor of Mexicans. What you think of as Cowboys were hard working Mexicans. That's not to say I am not opposed to illegal immigration, but the Spanish language is very important historically.
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>>338838040
The Gothic War was caused exactly by them opening their borders to other cultures and taking them as refugees.
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Hirohito > Nobunaga
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>>338838097
It's more about the hypocrisy of saying Hitler is problematic while propping up Stalin and Mao as civ leaders.

When will the world admit that commies are worse than Nazis?
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>>338838169
And the Pyramids were built by ancient space niggers from the 5th dimension. Fuck off and die and don't forget to vote for Bernie before you kill yourself.
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>>338838056
That's XVIII or XIX centuries at best.
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>>338838169
And the labor of chinks built railroads at great cost to their lives and the labor of nigs pretty much fueled the south's economy until the civil war, spics weren't anything special.
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>>338838098
Nah m8 I'm too busy chilling in France at the moment on a research trip entirely funded by my University.

Have fun working your ass off 40 hours a week while I get paid to play tourist and read/translate old letters at my leisure
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>>338838169
>Half of the country was built on the labor of Mexicans.
Oh you mean the half of the country that is still a shitty desert with nothing in it? California is the only thing that is out west, and we all know how shit that is.

That's why mexicans are taking over in the west, because there isn't anybody out there anyways. The government owns most of the land out there.
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>>338838103
>I'm not arguing
absolutely right
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>>338837729
>>338837747
none of these fell because of multiculturalism, they collapsed because they were torn by war and had weak military might and leadership
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>>338837991
tell us again how alexander the great was an ebil misogynist and the haitian revolution was peaceful and they dindu nuffin, john green
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>>338836974
elizabeth, gandhi, alexander and shaka are in every civ game
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>>338838292
Bruh who the fuck uses roman numerals for centuries like that
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>>338837683
Because he wrote the comics to be entertaining for all ages and tried to add some more depth to the cast.
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>>338838169
>Half of the country was built on the labor of Mexicans.
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>>338837819
>>338837729
>Get a bunch of refugees to sell their children for bread
>Don't bother to disarm them
>Get mad when they kill your emperor
>Don't let the competent halfbreed who kept the guy who would fuck up your empire's birthplace at bay be emperor or the competent halfbreed who beat the realest threat since Hannibal
>instead stick with a brat who's the biggest asshole since caracalla and somehow manages to rule as long as the average Antonine
West Rome deserved to fall
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>>338835483
This is great news, but I'll miss George. He was a fine chap too.
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>>338838169
And if it wasn't Mexicans building it, it'd be fucking Americans building it. Mexicans are cheaper, but that doesn't mean the job wouldn't get done if Mexicans couldn't be hired.
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>>338838247
You disgust me.
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That looks more like Taft than Teddy.
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>Post yfw egypts leader is black
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>>338837307
Game really needs more medieval rulers for western civs. V was dominated by Classical and Early Modern rulers.
William would be a good choice for England, Alfred, Richard I, or Edward I would also be great!
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>>338837983
Even from a purely historical standpoint, Hitler was an utter failure of a leader. Even if you can get past all the shit he pulled he still won't be able to hold a candle to Bismarck.
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Is there a list of available civilizations yet?
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>>338838389
Not Americans.
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Hey you faggots, quill18 has gameplay footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qzC5cUQcFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qzC5cUQcFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qzC5cUQcFk
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>>338838389
Everyone who finished high school.
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>>338838405
dont you know everything is made of tacos and severed heads
just like how the east coast everything is made of cotton
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>>338838251
What the fuck is going on in this picture?
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>>338838251
Read up on Wu Zetian and you'll find her right up there with those guys. Wasn't a problem to have her either.

And don't get me started on Gengis Khan.

>tfw still salty about library burning
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>>338838463
>Hitler was an utter failure of a leader.

But that's wrong.
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>>338838457
OTTO
T
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#1
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>>338838247
What is with with retards on 4chan and thinking that WW2 leaders are the important leaders in history?
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>>338838217
1) that's hilariously wrong and 2) i'm talking about the proper roman empire not the shitty christian roman empire
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>>338835483
Finally, the bulliest Roosevelt makes it to Civ.
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>>338838379
>maybe he'll stop pointing out I know jackshit about History and am an uneducated slob if I attack someone else!

Don't you have some stuck printers to unjam? Lord knows it's all you'll be good for with your grade point average in a saturated market.
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>>338838452
WE WUZ
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>>338838538
Leftism.
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>>338838509
tell me when based marbozir has it
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>>338838538
Looks like that Trump protest in Arizona from a few months back.
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>>338838538
Who knows? Looks like some kind of typical college kid faggotry.
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>>338836590
literal first world problems

maybe you should get a full time job like the rest of us
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>>338838639
It's highly probable he will, but that man's accent annoys the fuck out of me
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>It's a "/pol/acks reveal they know fuck all about history because actual /his/torians are in the thread and calling them out" episode

These are my favourites desu
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>>338838509
>WONDERS HAVE COMPLETION ANIMATIONS
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>>338835824
How long until Obama gets his face carved here?
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>>338838360
I assume you haven't been to those places have you? Those areas were perfect for raising cattle, the cattle population exploded because of the expansion towards the west. Texas, New Mexico, and California wouldn't be shit without Mexicans. Chinese railroad workers, were just that, workers, they were hired to do a job and they did it well. The vaqueros made the west relevant.
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>>338838549
Another excellent choice. They should really switch things up and replace some of the staples. They are already replacing Washington.

Otto I for Germany, and Louis XIV for France!
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>>338838728
you have shit taste senpai
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>>338838646
It's from the Washington State rally a few weeks back.

>bernaaaay!!
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>>338838040
Ssh! Don't use facts and historical evidence! What are you, a LEFTIST SJW COMMIE?
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>>338838830
Half of those people don't even look like they're of age to vote. No wonder Bernie failed so hard against Clinton.
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>>338836590
>I don't blame my employers for being shitheads and fucking me and thousands of others over
>I don't blame the Republicans who butchered the legislation that compels them to do so into its current state
>I blame the guy who proposed a far more fair and just bill that wouldn't have had this loophole who got fucked over by both of the above groups trying to work against his intentions
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>>338837683

because they have taste
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>>338838816
Louis already did France. He's even there in the Colonization total conversion.

Germany is well-served with Bismarck if you want pre-WW1 era. For post-WW2/Cold War you'd want Adenauer or Brandt, and for even earlier you'd want Charlemagne, or his father Karl Martel.
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>>338836534
Sounds very badassed
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>>338838637
>>338838646
>>338838650
I really don't get Amaricans
Why are they "protesting" against trump when they themself have the power to not electe him?
Why are they even protesting?
Do they actually think people that are gonna vote for trump are gonna change their mind after seeing them?
If it was me it would only fuel my desire to vote for trump
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>>338838731
>>338838836
You offsite faggots aren't even hiding how new you are.
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>>338838793
You're right there totally wasn't a ton of whites from the east going to the west to buy up land.

TOTALLY DIDN'T HAPPEN.

Also the Egyptians are black.
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Stop talking about modern US politics we have gameplay footage of this shit
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Will we get Hannibal this time?
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>>338838816
>Louis XIV
>Not Charles IV

Literal pleb-tier taste
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>>338838775
No one is getting added to that mountain, now get off your phone and pay attention in class.
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>>338839005
That's the thing, they don't have the power to vote against him. They're either underage, unregistered or an illegal living in America.
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>>338838731
>>338838836
>M-muh /pol/!
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>>338835483
Finally, best president.
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>>338838542
>mfw Europe escapes your wrath and conquers the world because your son is a washed up drunk
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>>338839005
Leftists and proto-communists use force and violence to shut down conversations they don't like.

It's not a new thing.
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>>338839007
Been here since 06 lad

I wish I was strong enough to fucking leave
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>>338837954
>Not an argument
Jesus christ, not this again
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Teddy is cool as fuck. I'm surprised whiny liberals don't hate him for MUH IMPERIALISM.
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>>338839005
The education system has really done a number on our youth. Expect us to be Sweden-tier pussies within 10-20 years.
>>
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>>338839082
BUT HE WAS A SYMBOL OF PROGRESS :^)
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>>338835707
You can basically count on Wu Zetian going forward. The Chinese community doesn't mind her _so_ much, and she's one of the few legitimate female rulers Firaxis can add to the game.

Plus she was already in Civ 2 (as Wu Zhao).
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>>338839130
>it's a retards come to /v/ and defend an idiot like Milo in a video game thread episode

worst timeline
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>>338837007
if Gandhi in Civ feels wrong you just don't get Civ mang
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>>338839130
>tfw the 60's started the downfall of America

And we were taught about how great it was because of the civil rights movement....
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>>338835954
If he isn't a mod where you build the great wall of america, i'll be mad.
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>>338839157
>Expect us to be Sweden-tier pussies within 10-20 years.

Not if this man has anything to say about it.
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>>338839082
>Get off your phone and pay attention in class
Not the same anon, but I'm sitting in my uni's library, and that gave me a spook
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>>338836384
Rolling for president husbando desu
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>>338839161
Those cliffs near the sea, are they new tile features that block embarking for land units?
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Teddy is easily a top 5 president and possibly the best leader the USA has ever had. I have no reason to disagree with this move. The guy was the embodiment of America to the very bone.
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>>338839153
Teddy gets loved by rational liberals for his environmental policies and trust busting.
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>>338839219
>liberal fatass gets triggered upon seeing a Milo image
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>>338839153
He was a pretty left-winged president by any modern standard, so that seems weird
>>
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>>338839260
I wish, but I doubt he'll win to be honest anon. Democrats won ages ago. They'll have this country transformed into a unilateral toralitarian system by 2030.
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>>338838560
That's not just 4chan, people who don't know history in general think WW2 was the only important event in it
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>>338839376
The UI looks so much better than it did in V.

Fuck art deco.
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>>338839376
Why does it look so much worse than Civ5?
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>>338836918
>>338837026
The hilarious thing is that it was bad luck. His party voted him to be the VP with only one dissenting vote to try and keep him away from power. He was a big reformer and was going after corrupt members of his own party so they decided to get rid of him. He was the only person who voted against him being VP. Some of the political cartoons about this were pretty funny.
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>>338839357
>anon is so dumb he gobbles up the right-wing Gawker's garbage
>>
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>>338835483
The new leader animations look worse than V's, pretty disappointing. At least Teddy actually speaks English despite looking like a Civ Rev leader.
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I don't remember Teddy being as fat as he is here
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>>338839408
The outcome of WW2 pretty much shaped the current era we're living in.
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>>338839386
Bullet or Ballot anon. Trump is the line in the sand for the last legal attempt at fixing the country. If he doesn't get it, I expect some rebellions within a decade
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>>338838560
We have to remember the 6000 trillion
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>>338839376
I.. kind of like how this looks. The map revealing in particular looks really neat
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>>338839439
>>
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>>338839347
>Racist
>Fat
>Obsessed with the notion that everyone should think he was manly
>War mongering imperialist
>Knew fucking nothing about economics
>Great facial hair

Sounds American alright
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>>338839260
>Implying
I make $110k a year with a communications degree.

Meanwhile, my stemsperg freshman roommate lives in his Mom's basement and doesn't have a job.
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>>338839474
Seriously, he looks like Howard Taft.
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>>338839523
looks like a forest troll
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>>338839523
are you okay? you're just stuck posting reaction images now
>>
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>>338839376
>Fog of war looks like parchment

Actually pretty neat honestly.
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>>338839549
Can you believe someone would go on the internet and tell lies?
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>>338839361
I see him get more hate from the american right really. Pretty sure a bunch of those talk radio types have called him a socialist and said he was a terrible president.
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>>338839549
It needs to be done.
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>>338839516
>>338839612
It's like how it was done in Stardock's Elemental, which honestly is probably the only thing worth aping from that game.
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>>338835483
Who cares? It's just phone shovelware.
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>>338839549
>Roommate
>Lives in his mom's basement
???
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>>338839546
t. Yuropoor
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>>338839603
i dont like that it looks like a mobile game
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>>338837613
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oFpUW11RPs
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>>338839671
Colleges are adult daycare's now.
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>>338839603
Can we now name our units?
Neat.
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>>338839647
Yeah, that makes a lot more sense to me. He was a conservationist, built in more consumer protection through control of corporations from government side, a lot more government regulation in general. Fucking hell, he's considered the start of the "Progressive Era".
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>>338835483
>advocating the guy who invaded Cuba and the Philippines
>same guy who thought it was a good idea to run for a third term, go independent, and split the republican vote
Nah, I would've even gone for Polk at any rate.
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>>338837307

Catherine is fine but I need my boy ivan the terrible
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>>338839671
>tfw I live 5 minutes from the college where this Amy Farrell lady teaches hambeast studies
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>>338839603
>La Venta is a city state
OLMECFAGS BTFO
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>>338839834
>advocating the guy who invaded Cuba and the Philippines
>implying there was anything wrong with this
Fuck off Spain.
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>>338839764
Cartoony art is now instantly disregarded as a phone game?

The art looks fine and won't age like shit. All I care about is depth anyway
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>>338837231
Weren't many of his private business ventures failing?

Running for president put him back in the spotlight. Even if he doesn't win he could write a book or do a special feature about what really happened during his campaign and make a profit.
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>>338838064
>FDR
>only President to win 4 elections in a row
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>>338839834
>advocating the guy who invaded Cuba and the Philippines

Sounds like they had it coming.
>>
>replacing one of the founding fathers
>with one of the best presidents
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>>338837007
What other easily recognizable leader does India have?
>>
I should be watching that youtubers first 60 turns video but I'm instead arguing about pointless shit ITT, why is shitposting so fun
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>>338837606
finishing the building of a wall (and other defensive buildings) brings you golden age points
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>>338839923
Protestant scum, Phillipines was rightful Spanish (Catholic) clay. After hundreds of years of conversion you just waltz in and think they'll join your devil cult?
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>>338839970
It already looks like shit, though.
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>>338839976
Not at all, Trump is literally swimming in profits
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>>338839923
The initial invasions could be justified but you're fucking kidding yourself if you think how America acted after a few months in each was acceptable.

Even American citizens were horrified by the reports.
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>>338839970
Cartoony art doesn't bode well for depth imo. It's still going to be like a board game lacking historical immersion.
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>>338839260
Im conflicted about Trump
On one hand i hate /pol/ and want them cry when all he really

On the other hand i really wanna see the outrage form the rest of the world when someone that speaks their mind become president
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>>338840020
That other leader from Civ 4, Asoka I think his name was.
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>>338839923
>There's nothing wrong with Vietnam v0.5
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>there will never be a Swiss civ
just fuck me up senpai
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>>338839976
You're really going to bring up that ancient meme?

If he wanted to grab more money he'd be filling Clinton's pockets right now. Running for president is bad for business.
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>>338839603
So that's China's leader right? Who is it?
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>>338836384
>that double Cleveland
Why did they never fix this?
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>>338840045
it's literally 3 minutes of footage he talks about for a fucking hour
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>>338840020
Any British monarch from 1858 to 1947 technically
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>>338840156
huangdi?
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>>338837597
>Mansa Musa
That guy was a fucking retard though. He threw around gold so much that it crashed the gold market for the entire Muslim world. In Crusader Kings II he has the Indulgent Wastrel trait, which is the worst main trait in the game.
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>>338840129
>Being this contrarian
ayy lmao
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>>338840156
Probably Qin Shi Huang.
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>>338840020
The loo witch.
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>>338840204
OHHHHHH SNAP
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>>338840156
Oh nice, good catch

Qin Shi Huang? Maybe?
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>>338840204
They likely want a leader of a unified India likely, maybe they'll look at the Mughals?
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>>338835567
>no manifest destiny
>no james k polk leader

WHY LIVE
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>>338840165
>fix this?
Fix what? He was president, then he wasn't, then he was again.
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>>338840252
So? Civilization has never been about leaders that were singularly successful in everything, it's also about having a bunch of personalities around
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>>338840129
I dislike him because he plays loose with privacy and security.

America needs less NSA, not more.
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>>338836930
>Elizabeth again
>not Victoria
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>>338840129
Your alternative is this.

If you're non-American you'll probably get bombed by her, but that's the price of feminism.
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>>338835483
FUCKING FATWASHING!
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For some reasons people tend to remember leaders who used to be in the army (De Gaulle, Napoleon, T.Roosevelt, Churchill, ect ect..). And often forget the others, does any of you /his/fags knows why?
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>>338840418
The second ammendment is fucking trash that should have been repealed decades ago tbqh

Owning guns should be a privilege, not a right
>>
literally red.dit: the President
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>>338835662
I guess both are in there
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>>338838545
>start a war
>lose
>kill yourself
>nation gets split in two by the occupying forces
>no one is allowed to make any choices for the good of the nation lest they become Nazis again
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>>338840418
isn't it generally just way more likely for anyone to be shot in the US than other Western countries
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>>338840414
Elizabeth has been in every game, so it seems unlikely they'll change her.
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>>338840471

because War shapes history

just a reminder that in Civ terms, World War 2 was 9 turns long
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>>338840514
Maybe you SHOULD be bombed.
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>>338840471
Because it typically means they were involved in some sort of war and thus likely has more written about them as opposed to someone elected in peaceful times and not doing much of note.
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>>338837307
Charles V
or more accurately, his full title
Holy Roman Emperor, forever August, King of Germany, King of Italy, King of all Spains, of Castile, Aragon, León, of Hungary, of Dalmatia, of Croatia, Navarra, Grenada, Toledo, Valencia, Galicia, Majorca, Sevilla, Cordova, Murcia, Jaén, Algarves, Algeciras, Gibraltar, the Canary Islands, King of Two Sicilies, of Sardinia, Corsica, King of Jerusalem, King of the Western and Eastern Indies, of the Islands and Mainland of the Ocean Sea, Archduke of Austria, Duke of Burgundy, Brabant, Lorraine, Styria, Carinthia, Carniola, Limburg, Luxembourg, Gelderland, Neopatria, Württemberg, Landgrave of Alsace, Prince of Swabia, Asturia and Catalonia, Count of Flanders, Habsburg, Tyrol, Gorizia, Barcelona, Artois, Burgundy Palatine, Hainaut, Holland, Seeland, Ferrette, Kyburg, Namur, Roussillon, Cerdagne, Drenthe, Zutphen, Margrave of the Holy Roman Empire, Burgau, Oristano and Gociano, Lord of Frisia, the Wendish March, Pordenone, Biscay, Molin, Salins, Tripoli and Mechelen.
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>>338835483
I see they went with his older, fatter country loving version instead of either the young war mongering or very old, insane war mongering version
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>>338840129
i imagine trump winning would be better for the quality of this site as a whole

if he loses, /pol/ will go full samson option. there would be no hiding from the fallout.
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>>338837007
>>338840020
They could always go with the Gandhi that was actually Prime Minister. She was the female ruler of India in Civ 2, anyway.
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>>338840471
Because they tend to be warmongers or to come into power right after devestating socioeconomic upheaval, which naturally means they're more likely to enact huge reforms and changes in their countries.

Plus warrior leaders have been fetishized and had their exploits recorded by humans for millenia, and the romantic image of a soldier turned king/president/etc. is a strong one that interests people even today.
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>>338840129
Hes large government and makes me nervous but I'll take him over another large government candidate who also wants to ban guns and blamed their fuck up in Benghazi on an unfunny youtube video that nobody watched.
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God damn, they better fix that portrait. Looks like he just ate all the chocolate from Charlie's Chocolate Factory.
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>>338840636
I didn't know India was ruled by Cruella de Vil
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>>338837307
Cao Cao.
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>>338840614

/pol/ is a board of peace. do not judge us based on the actions of a few extremists
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>>338840471
Army people are often percieved as men of the people.
Also winning wars means strength.
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>>338840370
Because they actually count him as two different people in this chart, unlike any of the other presidents who are only counted once even if they were president twice.
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>>338840614
/pol/ would just get spanked and put on timeout like before Moot left.

They've proven they can't raid for shit, they can only handle shitposting at normal levels - and even then boards like /co/ and /mu/ have largely driven them out.
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>>338840586
But would be be Spain or Germany's ruler?
New HRE faction?
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So what obscure, irrelevant, African, Native or South East Asian civ are we getting this time?
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>>338840471
What would be some good relative peace time leaders?
Hadrian?
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>>338835662
They don't need to have the same leader in every game. Unless it's Gandhi, Elizabeth, Alexander, Genghis and Shaka apparently.
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>>338840129
>le epic /pol/ tears!!
Complain about their methods and manner of speaking all you want, but know that they are correct when speaking about the current affairs of politics and the global stage.
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>>338840514
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>>338840614
It won't just be /pol/, people who voted for him in the US will go nuts. If Hillary wins things will turn for the worse for all of us.
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>>338837307
you heard it here first
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>>338840689
>Hes large government and makes me nervous

How? He constantly says federal overreach is a big problem and many issues should be left to the states to decide.
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>>338840514
It should be a night that can be removed if you prove yourself unworthy of it. Which is exactly how it is. We already have background checks for all purchases.
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>>338840772
He's separate because of the fact that his 2 terms were interrupted by someone else in between.
Everyone else that had 2 or more terms had them continuously, so they're counted as a single straight.
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>>338840867
>open borders permanently on
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>>338840856
lol no
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>>338838575
>grade point average
You took a shot in the dark there anon, admit it, but it paid off based on the lack of response. Well done.
Do you feel like a hero?
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>>338840854

well there's not many alternatives for those civs. unless you want to go with the hilarious opposite gendered counterparts like in Civ 2.

>Elanor Roosevelt
>Shakala

and my personal favorite:

>Amaterasu
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>>338840152
>Running for president is bad for business.

Historically, it used to be.

Now it is practically a reality TV show.
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>>338840947
Oh to be so naive
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>>338836565
Good, I hope I never have to see that asshole ramesses and his stupid beard and buttfuck stick again
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>>338838545
Hitler was a con man who swindled the german people, the only good things to happen under his rule were done by his underlings
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>>338840864
If things continue the way they are in the US at the current rate, it'll end up balkanizing.
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>>338840990
Upon his presidential announcement he had business partners cut ties with him.

Politics isn't good for business, that's why you see companies try to take neutral stances to avoid pissing off customers.
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>>338840867
Seeing them pick teddy I wouldn't be completely shocked if anti-nationalists like her were in the game and only had negative bonuses.
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>>338840514
The problem with the second ammendment is that amaricans take it literally
Instead of giving it's population securety that they in fact, could overthrow the goverment because they had guns like way back when, it just make's it so any halfwit over 21 can buy a gun and start shoting people
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>>338840614
it will be interesting seeing /pol/ become disillusioned after he wins and nothing happens

just like the liberal millennials who thought obama was a revolutionary CHANGE, and now call him a traitor and repeat of bush
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>>338840862
that link doesn't say anything that anon said
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>>338837307
Gustav Vasa or Karl XIII of Sweden would be neat.
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>>338841141
>illiterate yuropoor doesn't understand the 2nd Amendment

Color me SURPRISED
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>>338840990
>Now it is practically a reality TV show.

Yep, just think about how many more books Trump is selling now. Whether he wins or not his presidential bid has caused the Trump brand to greatly increase in value.
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>>338835727
He is a retro version of president Camacho from Idiocracy.
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>>338838457
>a frenchman leading england
I'd mill myself senpai.
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>>338840979
Greece, England and India have plenty of alternates.
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>>338841141
>the problem with the second amendment is that people interpret it as it is written
hmm
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>>338835567
>Footnote faction
>Literally behind Cromwell (at least there'd be interesting anti-faith dynamics), Rhodesia, Chechnya protectorate of Palestine half a dozen African states and the entire Sengoku Jidai period of history.

Nah actually i'd love if civil war was more of a thing with potential alternative leaders. I liked Empire total war for allowing you to go in a different direction from the established government of the day, so more of that would be nice.

>Still no Medicis, Giuseppe Garibaldi, Metternicht or whomever actually owns Sealand
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>>338837307
Kinda tough to decide on some of them
I kinda want Asohka or Buddha, really want them to replace Ghandi. Even if I know they won't. Would be cool so if they did Margrethe the 1 if they do Denmark as DLC again. As for Rome, It would be cool is they picked a non emperor to be leader, rather than only use imperial people. Scipio would be cool, though unlikely, and the more possible choice would be Romulus. If they do Carthage again i hope they add Hannibal, or at least his father, rather then reuse Dido.
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>>338840953
I'm not gonna lie, it's pretty satisfying.

>>338841080
Most of /pol/ gets their news solely from Fox, Breitbart, and those stupid fucking shopped headline pics that get spammed fucking constantly.

They still think Sweden has fucking no-go zones for the police, for Christ's sake.
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>>338835662
"Each AI leader has a historical agenda that's appropriate to their historical personality"
They went with TR because he has a much more distinct personality than Washington.
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>>338841319
I hate to break it to you, but very few Englishmen/woman have ruled England.
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>>338835483
WHY IS HE FAT???
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>>338841339
The constitution was written in parables you know.
You aren't supposed to take everything at face value.
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>>338841376
>Rhodesia

bingo >>338837996
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>>338841393
Most of /pol/ gets its info from first hand experience of people in multiple countries
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>>338835887
Trump is a business man. Roosevelt was a solider, explorer and naturalist.
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>>338835887
Wow how did Teddy sign a internet jpeg 300 years before the typewriter was even invented?
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>>338841151
The mere act of winning the Presidency will be satisfactory enough for me.
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>>338841319
>a Roman leading England
>a German leading England
>a Ducthman leading England
>a Muslim leading England
I think the reason you guys hate Ireland so much is that they managed to have home rule longer than you.
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>>338841395
I wonder how his conservation and trust busting would translate into civ gameplay.
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What benefits do I get for preordering this game on Steam?
Is there any reason whatsoever to buy it now instead of for Christmas?
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>>338841451
I have no idea, maybe it's hybrid of Taft and Tedy.
But even then, Taft had a big belly, not a fucking tumour-like thing on his head.
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>>338840293
>>338840306
Looks like it according to one of the previews
>That said, being too fast can lead to wars with other civilizations very early on in the game. During my sixty-turn session as China, led by Emperor Qin Shi Huang...
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>>338841141
Kek what are you talking about? All of the amendments are to be taken literally. They're written nice and simply for a reason. Also

>inb4 muh organized militia
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>>338836534

>established his own military unit called the Roughriders, made up of ivy league students, and they kicked some serious ass
Untrue. He was in a cavalry unit and logistics fucked up bigtime so they were on foot for the entirety of their tour.
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>>338841393
>CNN didn't report on No-Go Zones so they don't exist
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>>338841486
what? It's not a nursery rhyme or something, its a document on the governing of the United States. It's meant to be taken at face value, especially the Bill of Rights, which the 2A is part of.
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>>338841429
German blood really is the blood of kings when you think about it. Like every ruling house is called Holstein-Bremen and shit like that these days.
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>>338841486
wrong
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>>338841513
Yeah, I was using it to point out that not only is it unlikely, it is an unlikelyhood behind other significant unlikelyhoods.

But let's not let a little reading get in the way of things shall we.
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>>338841319
You are aware that throughout much of history the english royal family couldnt even speak english, right?
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>>338841515
I know you're kidding, but there's people who actually believe this
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>>338840856
Don't try dude, I have actually read Tumps campin promisses unlink 99% of this board
>let's call out china on being a currency manipulator
>because owing them a huge deabt just wansn't standing kneedeep in shit enough
>Making mexico build the wall
>he actually thinks that releving the middle class amaricans wont add to the debt
So on so forth

The only time he is actually right about something is telling Amarica that you guys couldn't uphold a healthcare plan if your life depended on it
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>>338841658
They literally don't
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>>338841710
I was agreeing with you, smart guy
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>>338841393
Sweden has mussie no-go zones, USA has nigger no-go zones.
Zero difference, and zero reason to deny it. Instead try to shame it, so politicians will be forced by popular opinion to react.


Yes, complaining loud enough for long enough does work.
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>>338841330
LORD PALMERSTON
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>>338841550
>The only way to get people to vote is to put someone batshit insane up.
>They don't even really care for any alternatives, they just don't want X person.
>Probably will never vote again.
>Probably won't even vote this time.

It should be some kind of natural law that failure to participate excludes the right or ability to comment. Its so fucking frustrating to see people deciding to even consider farting near a polling station for all the wrong reasons.
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>>338841664
Germans should really thank those damn steppe fuckers for getting themselves off their ass and onto ruling the world.
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>>338841756
Then why didn't the Belgian police go in to find the one Paris shooter when they had his location narrowed down to a couple block radius, which happened to be all populated by immigrants from the middle east?
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>>338841756
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVhnpMwRTao

Your turn.
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>quill talks about SHE as a leader for Egypt

Who could it be? It better be Hatshepsut, not fucking Cleopatra
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>>338841815
And UK has sharia-law only zones, and Japan has white/foreigner no-go zones.

Lets at least be fair here.
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>>338839161
The more I like at the new artstyle the more I like it
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>>338841878
democracy is fucking gay anyway
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>>338841231
How can i not understand it?
I have to, because every education system in yurop forces us to learn it because you faggots wont stop having the highest school shooting rate in the world
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>>338841815
They don't have them m8

Like they are entirely fictitious bullshit made up by American conservatives based off a poorly translated report that there were certain suburbs in a few Swedish cities where Police could not operate solo and were mandated to bring a partner at all times, and they weren't even fucking said to be Muslim neighborhoods in the report.

They're a fucking internet meme at this point
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>>338840418
>Ignoring the fact that men are far more likely to be victims and perpetrators of violent crimes
This shit pisses me off.
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>>338841813
Sorry, I'm just metagaming your post by denouncing it.

>>338841839
>France asks Palmeston if the British Empire wouldn't mind France exploring some of the parts of Australia not settled or explored yet, and ask him what parts Britain is staking claim to to not step on their toes.

>"all of it"
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>>338841926
its cleopatra and shes gonna be black :^)
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>>338841926
Sorry dude it's Cleopatra
>After building up my army more, focusing on a settler to establish a new city, and starting research on foreign trade, I run into Egypt's Cleopatra. All the leaders speak in their correct native language, a nice touch as Cleopatra greets me in Coptic. She invites me to visit her city and I agree.
At least it's not Arabic this time.
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>>338841996
if america was 100% it would come behind england and france in mass shootings

but I guess you never learned that in your pc state funded school system
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>>338841932
Of course, I only mentioned the ones involved in the conversation.
France has such "ghetto" districts too, at least in Paris.
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>>338842081
Are you fucking kidding me? Hatshepsut was fucking cool and an actual legit female leader, and they have the meme leader again?

Where are you getting this from, by the way?
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>>338841924
>breitbart making shit up about the context of a news report

oh boy never seen that before
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>>338841996
you have a terrorist bombing every other month, and the sad thing they're easily preventable but your police are fucking incompetent
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>>338842035
I feel like making Cleopatra black is like an insult to black people.
She's like the Bill Clinton of Egyptians.
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>>338842021
They exist in America, so I guarantee they exist in Sweden
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>>338841926
>Hatshepsut
Literally who?
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>>338842151
http://www.gameinformer.com/games/sid_meiers_civilization_vi/b/pc/archive/2016/05/25/making-all-the-right-moves.aspx

>Civilization VI introduces leader agendas, and Cleopatra's is "Queen of the Nile," which states that she likes powerful militaries and will try to ally with them. Firaxis pulled this detail from her actual life; she aligned herself with powerful men like Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony, seducing them so Egypt wouldn't get attacked. She also has another randomly assigned hidden agenda that I'll need to discover through trade routes or by sending a delegation.
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>>338839269
no way I´m gonna buy something that looks like that

it looks worse then 4
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>>338842081
>Cleopatra
>Coptic

?????
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>>338842174
>Amerretards actually think like this
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>>338842021
>a few Swedish cities where Police could not operate solo and were mandated to bring a partner at all times

Do you fucking listen to yourself?

>>338842153
>making shit up

Oh I see. So they weren't attacked, they were "physically diversified". Big difference!
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>>338840514
>Americans spend billions on big police and mass incarveration to feel safer
>Still feel the need to buy guns for self defence
Perhaps its time to consider something isnt working
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>>338841926
Fucking anything would be better than Cleopatra.

>>338842192
She's like one of the three only famous Egyptian historical women, Cleopatra, Hatshepsut and Nefertiti.
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>>338842192
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hatshepsut

she a cute
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>>338839269
Wow Sim city 6 is really coming along isn't it?
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Why couldn't it be Nixon?
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>>338835483
If he isn't carrying a big stick, I'm dropping civ 6.
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>>338842260
I look forward to the downfall of Europe, people like you won't admit your mistake even when the sword beheads you in the name of Allah. You made your bed, and you'll lie in it.
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>>338842151
Yeah that's a Civ Rev-tier leader choice, and it's fucking shit. It's all about appealing to the popular market I guess.
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>>338842160
And whos fault is it that terrorist have the means they have again?
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>>338841996
>freedomless noguns yuropoor whose laws are negotiated by bureaucrats in suits rather than guaranteed at birth by YHWH believes his own biased institutionally indoctrinated interpretation of a foreign constitution is, in fact, objectively right

tell me, do you REALLY believe this, or are you just legally obligated to post this because saying anything otherwise would be considered hate speech in your gayropean totalitarian shithole?
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>>338842227
>she aligned herself with powerful men like Julius Caesar and Mark Anthony, seducing them

got that is hot.
now they only need to make her model look beautiful as well

that whole eastern empress thing is one of my favorite fetishes
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>>338841926
That they would even use Cleopatra just screams of historical ignorance. She was barely even Egyptian, even is she was the most Egyptian Ptolemy.
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>>338842251
Cleopatra did make a point to learn and speak Egyptian. Also William of Orange didn't speak Dutch but did so in Civ V so big deal.

It should still be Hatshepsut though, fucking hell. Might as well just change all the flavour text and say it's her.
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>>338842362
Liberals get very butthurt over him.

Memes aside, he actually was one of the US's most shrewd foreign policy leaders ever, and what he got in trouble for domestically with watergate is probably done by every president ever, difference being he actually got caught, and then instead of throwing his underlings under the bus, he manned up and took the brunt of the controversy.
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>>338842167
Isn't she straight up Roman or Greek?

Like, it would be similar to making Queen Victoria into a Pooinloo because she was Empress of India Roman or Greek.
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>>338842504
>actual grown men unironically talk and write like this in 2016
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>>338842465
All you cucks have to do is close your borders to keep them out. Not our fault all of your politicians are cosmopolitan globalists.
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>>338842296
Having to bring a partner to a random shady suburb != the suburb is a "muslim no go zone" for the police


And that reporter getting attacked by some coloured thugs doesn't prove those zones exist, Breitbart made up the fucking bullshit about where it happened.

God you American neo-cons are such fucking retards.
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>>338841926
Her agenda is to fuck dudes with powerful militaries. It's defs Cleopatra.

>>338842081
>All the leaders speak in their correct native language
>Cleopatra greets me in Coptic
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>>338841393
>it's pretty satisfying
You've succumbed to your baser instincts anon. You have shamed the past generations that strove to be so much more than intelligent animals, and the future generations that finally achieve it.
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>>338842560
It screams of marketing and fits the casual mobile aesthetic of the game. You looking forward to William Wallace as leader of the Celts?
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>>338842580
>>338842167

yeah she is like the great great great daughter of alexander the great´s generals which was greek (as in white)
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this is literally the american presidential election in the current year
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>>338842578
I'm glad I'm not the only one who respects Nixon, you gotta think too, this was in the 60's: The beginning of the decline of the US, so Nixon was used as ammo by the left to create the hell we live in now.
>>
>already adding slut leaders to the game
So Catherine and Theodora are coming back?
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>>338842345
>tfw you will never marry your qt queen Sister and lazy around all day living the life while she is off doing all the hard work
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>>338842345
>dat flat chest
No thanks.
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>>338842345
>>338842321

I'm really not sure how I can write anything ironic any more here. I just don't think its possible. I've tried pointing it out in filenames, changing my name, and one time I wrote "this is a bad joke" next to it. Someone will always reply helpfully to show they've read what you wrote without absorbing even a hint of even the blandest and shallow of subtext.

But its nice to see you're both enjoying important historical characters, that's genuinely more important than it being impossible to make a joke on 4chan any more. Don't mind me mates.

Tangential question: Does anyone think they'll try a Beyond Earth: II : Alpha cenataur 1: We're sorry about Beyond Earth again with the upcoming civ?
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>>338842404
Okay, Luke.

>>338842580
She was of the Greek Ptolemaic dynasty, yes. Her mother's identity isn't definitively known though, so it's possible she was mixed race with local ancestry and just looked white.

Still kind of a shitty choice compared to other options though.
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>>338842685
Literally rejecting irrefutable evidence.

I hope you get raped by a muslim, you deserve nothing less.
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>>338842560
Civ has never been that heavy on actual History. Its a strategy game with a shallow historical skin.
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>>338842580
>>338842560
That's kind of irrelevant, honestly, because she WAS the leader of Egypt after generations of pharaohs, it's not like many leaders in the game have ancestors from the same country at all. She was a leader.

The problem is that she was a leader under the Roman Empire, not exactly the greatest time of the Egyptian kingdom. There's way better choices than her.
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>>338841996
>>338842465
Don't make me ashamed of being European.
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>>338842806
Goddamn, Hillary will pander to anyone. This abuela, hotsauce shit and now this.
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>>338841598
maybe:
minus relationship for owning the majority of an entire resource on the map
minus relationship for clearing too many forest tiles
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>>338842891
I kind of replied more knowing that a lot of people on 4chan legit don't know who she is and these kind of posts exist unironically

Sorry bruv
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>>338842725
Cleopatra styled herself as a traditional pharaoh and spoke Egyptian. Coptic is the closest thing to Egyptian so it's good enough innit. Though I can't imagine it's that hard to find a scholar who can speak whatever reconstructed Egyptian sounds like.
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>>338842791
Why can't they just add more ancient civs, divy up Alexanders three generals their own civs, and seperate Macedonia from Greece. Make Pericles, Leonidas or some other great city state man the Greece leader.
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>>338842504
>biased institutionally indoctrinated interpretation of a foreign constitution is, in fact, objectively right
Holy fuck my sides

Looking at a foreign amendment is now being biased
I guess im biased towards the human right law too, because you clearly think every country in Europ is Sweden tier nigger lovers and fuccbois
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>>338842962
>this is the future america will choose
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>>338842560
Napoleon was a Corsican

Washington was British


VICTORIA WAS GERMAN

BISMARCK WAS PRUSSIAN, AND WOULD NOW BE CONSIDERED POLISH
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>>338842806
So, from an evolutionary perspective, why do new age feminists who think sex is rape and other things like homosexuals/transexuals/asexuals with limited reproductive potential still perpetuate?
Shouldnt their populations disappear over time?
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>>338842827
>>338842542
I want tsun tsun for Charlemange-chan
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>>338843065
There is no "reconstructed Egyptian". We literally have no idea what anything they said sounded like.

Coptic is a pretty good compromise, yeah, but Egyptian was never written down phonetically so we just don't know what the Ancient Egyptians sounded like.
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>>338842542
>yfw Rome will be Augustus again
CAN'T FUCK YOUR WAY OUT OF THIS ONE SLUTROPATA
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>>338835567
>wanting Andrew "Ignoring the Supreme Court" Jackson

Also, didn't we already get a civil war scenario in Civ 5?

>>338836565
PTOLEMIED.COM
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>>338836534
It's hard to wrap my head around someone from two centuries ago having a cut body like that, especially a rich kid like Teddy. Do they have workout routines back then or was it just "track and hunt bears and Mexicans on foot twice a week?"
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>>338843146
Holy fuck is this real? The generation I'm part of has fallen for the most absurdly obvious political ploy and I am ashamed to be associated with them, even just through my age.
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>>338843262
oh fuck, that would be interesting
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>>338842806
i feel so sorry for people with half a brain in america. the election is a complete joke, none of the candidates behave like a politician. Between trump and his moronic statements, hillary waving her vagina all over the place like a trophy and obama cracking jokes like he was some kind of stand up comedian you know the country is fucked beyond all hopes.
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>>338843043
Don't worry about it, I'm pretty sure I'm just being anal about it, or failing to be funny. Its just nice to be discuss civ shit to be entirely honest.
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>60 Minutes, an australian program
>GODDAMNED AMERICAN NEO CONSERVATIVES

I mean jesus fucking christ, how can one scream and chuck a tantrum about that. Most conservatives don't actually like breibart because it shills a lot of humanist bullshit on the side. You can't be anymore wrong in this situation.

>>338842685
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>>338842806
i have to admit i kind of want to watch it for the qt fem-egon
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qzC5cUQcFk
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>>338843065
She probably learnt some Demotic or something. You bet your ass she would have primarily spoken Greek though.

I dunno, I guess she could have spoken coptic but I'm always used to it being a later development.
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>>338840953
>>338841393
Samefag some more.
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>>338843224
>they just have her smugly silent, lounging as a personal translator of hers speaks to you in the language of YOUR Civ
I'd be down for this.
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>>338843350
Good reading comprehension skills you got there, Mark.
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>>338835567
>Confederacy
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>>338840979
to be fair, eleanor roosevelt's one of the more politically active first ladies of america's history and was the first us delegate to the un

like I'm not completely steeped in us history but I'm not sure what other female political activist would be prime for the spot, other than like abigail adams
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>>338843441
???
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>>338843342
>All this tremendous butthurt and rage, and polarised viewpoints and actual physical violence.
>To elect the least powerful member of the three branches of government.
>99% votes for the (actually important) Senate and Congress will be either on party lines or essentially at fucking random.
>Everyone worries about the guy with the nuclear button he'll never fucking use.
>Nobody cares about the guy who decides if you have enough money to fuck your own ass with or if he wants it to fund more cocaine to go up his own ass.
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Do we know if the Swedish Caliphate will be in?
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>>338836384
Who was the handsomest president? Franklin Pierce is looking pretty fine imo.
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>>338843224
>We literally have no idea what anything they said sounded like.
ye we do smhfam
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>>338843262
>Not Hadrian
>Not building a wall and having the Dacians pay for it
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>>338843262
I want them to throw a curveball for Rome. I'm sick of Caesar or Augustus.

Give me an earlier example like Scipio Africanus or something. Maybe one of the later emperors that also did shit.

Even better, make it Cicero. Don't even care if the idea of Cicero ruling Rome is retarded. I want Cicero.
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>>338843441
I'm >>338840953 and I was actually berating that anon for ad hominem argument.
Nice try though
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>>338843147
The main point of some those leaders is that they made their own civilization, ie. Washington was the first American president, Bismarck was the one who unified the German people and so on.
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>>338843464

>You declare war on her
>her translator looks scared and whispers to Cleo quietly
>she gets up and slaps you ala Catherine in Civ 4
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>>338841550
uhhhh
isn't trump just against illegal immigrants?
Why does everyone presume that equals hate for everyone else and total racism?
Fuck those cunts
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>>338843594
Unrelated and not that guy, but I swear the last year has seen everyone browse on goddamn phones.

Is there a laptop/desktop shortage or something? What the hell happened? It's not a problem, its just really apparent.
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>>338843695
If you mention Cicero one more time I'm gonna shove a peach up your ass through the computer screen
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>>338843695
I would love seeing Roman Empire and Roman Republic separately, or at least a Rome faction with two distinct leaders from the two periods.

Also I want my husbando Marcus Aurelius in charge.
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>>338842646
>All you have to do is close your borders
Says the country that want's to build a wall up against Mexico
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>>338843638
TAFT GOES IN ALL FIELDS
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>>338843695
>Scipio Africanus

pls no

civ threads are already filled with enough /pol/ retards and their shitposting, if he got in they'd never fucking stop the WE WUZ spam
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>>338843695
Give em Constantine am make them a religious based civ, really mix things up
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>>338843695
NO STILICHO NO DOUGH
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>>338843638
I like Grant's look. He's got that "bear look". Like he'd murder some Indians then cuddle with you.
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>>338843798
Not him, but I just like lying in bed or sitting on the couch and still being able to browse/post a bit. My computer is maybe 4 meters away from me.
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>>338843486
Who the hell's mark mate?
Not everyone is a boogyman.

This whole fucking tantrum you're pissing about is ridiculous.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/641223/Swedish-police-being-ATTACKED-as-they-struggle-in-NO-GO-ZONES-as-migrant-crime-rockets
Such a conservative cum-rag, the express!
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>>338841550
You could copy that entire rant and replace Trump with Hillary and it would be a statement from you guys.
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>>338843798
Smartphones are getting better and most users are now either oldfags or underage, both of which are more likely to post on the go than college kids
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>>338843695
Cicero would be reasonable, he is someone people can place in Ancient Rome, even if they forget he was consul. But face anon we'll be stuck with Roman emperors only, don't forget to buy all those different African civs as DLC :^)
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>>338843832
Not sure if Fulvia or Catiline.
>>
+Teddy Roosevelt
+Qin Shi Huang
-Cleopatra
2/3 it's ok
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>>338844037
>waah girls are icky
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>>338844008
What upside down world are you living in?
This is coming from a australian.

>>338844108
They are, and stinky.
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>>338843832
>>338843832
Sounds like someone's a salty sally about Cicero's salubrious speeches and should seek a salve to slather on self's saucy sore sausage.
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>>338844108
>Liking girls in any form
What are you, a faggot?
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>>338844108
I'd be happy with Hatshepsut actually, at least she was black like my Egyptian ancestors.
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>>338844108
>the single most cliched boring Pharaoh who lead a broken shitty Egypt instead of something neat

Now that makes her icky.
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>>338844108

they are. but Hatshepsut or Nefertiti even would be a better choice. cleo is the meme choice
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>>338841550
If people are that worried, just make voting mandatory.
Put a laughably small fine, like $10-30, for not voting. Just enough that people will want to go to avoid paying, but not so much that it would cause outrage.
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>>338839647
they are being paid to say that on the dollar of big wigs that he bent over and fucked
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>>338844004
>no source fot the supposed "report" listed

sure sounds reliabe, Matthew.
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>>338843638
If his portraits are to be believed, Jackson was a handsome motherfucker.
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>>338844275
>Nefertiti
>good choice

nope

Hatshepsut is the choice that makes sense here, Nefertiti is worse than Cleopatra
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>>338844317
Donkey votes mate, and the inherent problem of having a voting base that MUST vote but does not actually have a rational choice to make, thus making a potentially irrational choice.

I mean you can counter it by trying to randomize names, but donkey voting fucks up stuff in Australia and Brazil all the time, its just not worth it.
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>>338844364
Mate, the express is a liberal rag.
Here, http://fof.se/tidning/2015/5/artikel/darfor-okar-de-kriminella-gangens-makt
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>>338843638
Nixon is the most X president, for any X. Prove me wrong.
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>>338843925
Eh, too similar to the Byzantines in civ. That's exactly their deal.
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>>338844373
You can't spell censure without sensual, and Jackson was both.

Trust /v/ to have a boner for the "misunderstood" president who don't need no congress.
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>>338844526
nihandsomeon
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>>338844449

at least Nefertiti was egyptian
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>>338844526
Nixon is only the second-most likely man to be wearing a nixon mask while fucking their secretary in the oval office.
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>>338844317
What if you don't want to vote for political reasons?

Like, in my country not a single party in the parliament adheres to my views enough that I would vote for them, so I won't.

Should I have to vote something that goes against my views just because?
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>>338844554
Ive never been a fan of Byzantines being a separate civ anyway
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>>338844663

then you go in, you vote for yourself for president, then leave
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>>338844670
What, why?
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>>338844554
Flip it
Julian for Byzantines
Constantine for Romans
Or go for the out of left field and make Elagabalus the Roman leader. You would get diversity brownie points as well.
>>338844670
But then you couldn't have Justinian and his fabulous crown.
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>>338844670
Same. I don't think they ever actually referred to themselves and Byzantium. They were always just Rome. Byzantium is a dumb categorisation. I think it's fallen out of favour in academic circles now anyway.
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>>338844663
Vote the person who at least represents one ideal.
That's the thing with voting these days, it's not about voting for your actual wishes, because you know that's not realistic, just vote in the party which actually benefits one thing, or if not counter-vote against the shittier mainstream party.
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>>338844732
Then why make it mandatory if you can just go in and blow it off?
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>>338838692
Not him but you realize most people who are at small wage jobs get forced into just-below-fulltime because their employers don't want to give them benefits? Not a "first-world-problem" at all.
>>
AUSTRALIA CIV WHEN

GIVE ME TONY ABBOT
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>>338840514
Yes, a privilege for american citizens
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>>338844871

because getting off your computer for 15 minutes to go to the polls will not kill you

>but i don't wanna!

then go to jail. you get free food, lodging, entertainment and you don't have to make any difficult choices
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>>338844663
Sorry, forgot to mention this system would only work by including an "I vote for nobody" option
Also, potentially permit online voting.
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>>338844663
Ideally you should pull your fucking finger out and find someone more to your liking and get them to run/run yourself if nobody else is avaliable.

I mean I'm not that guy, nor am I suggesting a mandatory vote is the way to go (because you can't compel someone to make a sensible democratic decision by informing them, let alone forcing them) but if you are in a situation where you don't want to vote because you don't like your options and there's lots of people like that: maybe you need your own party.

I mean, this is a problem inherent to practically every democratic country in the world too, but it staggers me to see arguements on this line. Not voting is better than voting in protest though, electing someone to power out of spite is deranged.
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>>338844851
>be Roman Empire
>don't control Rome
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>>338844897
m8 barbarians have been in the game since CIV1
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>>338844756
Because Byzantine Empire is a misnomer made up after the fact to diminish a successful christian empire by enlightenment historians who had a hard on for Rome. They, and all their contemporaries referred to what we call the Byzantine Empire as the Roman Empire and we considered a continuation of Romes legacy, at least until Charlemagne. If they must be differentiated Eastern Roman Empire is a better term
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>>338842320
Yep police are pretty worthless.
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>>338845042
The HRE got away with it for the most part
The issue is the the 750 ad Romans in Constantinople have as much in common with the 100 ad Romans in Rome as the 500 BC Persians do with the 650 AD Rashidun Caliphate
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Hopefully Egyptians will be black this game. They're going for historical accuracy this time right?
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>>338845042
>Be Orange Coke
>Not actually coke
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I'm actually glad that the leader interactions aren't a complete 3D scene like in Civ V. The load times on that were dreadful.
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>>338845423
I know memes and whatnot but >Kush was never a thing
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>>338845423
They're playing it safe with cleo
niggers can't complain she isn't black and everyone else can just enjoy the game
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>>338845415
HRE got away with it because Rome said to Charlemagne "u the mang carolus magnus"
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>>338844861
But by representing that one ideal another of my core values will be broken.

If I don't want to vote for the parties who is in favor for government backdoors and spying on it's citizens I have to vote for a party who is in favor of gender quotas.

Anything I vote for will make the country worse as I see it. I refuse to knowingly reward a party for wanting to ruin my country.
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>>338835483
That's fine, everyone who knows their history knows Teddy was a badass.
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>>338845627
>They're playing it safe with cleo
kinda excited to see that hot chick. Will she rival Theodora and Dido? exciting times ahead
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Man. This thread made me want to give V a try again.
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