The super emeralds are canon.
Didn't shadow go hyper, not super in SA2?
>>338758041
>no flashing after images
>not flashing multiple colors
>called super shadow
nah
>>338757686
I don't think Sega or Sonic Team knows what "canon" means.
You need to be at least 18 to post here, OP.
>>338758041
SA2 is not canon
>>338758237
Other side of the moon
>>338758218
Please have sex, virgin
>>338757686
They aren't cause Sega said they aren't.
TOO BAD
>>338758430
But they're in the game?
They exist?
>>338758512
They aren't needed to beat the game, they are a small extra.
DLC in its early days.
And again, sega has said they don't exist.
>>338758595
The chaos emeralds aren't required to beat the game either, so I guess they're non-canon.
>>338758041
I always thought that too, I think it was some kind of error in one of those guides or something.
>>338758687
I'm sure normal Sonic can do Doomsday Zone on his own. Oh wait.
Oh and w/o the emeralds eggman taunts you
>>338758798
Doomsday Zone isn't required to beat the game. It's an extra level.
>In Sonic's 1 through 3, the Chaos Emeralds were inconsistently shaped
>Through S3K, the Chaos Emeralds return to their rightful place in the Emerald altar, and become grayish brilliant-cut jewels (before they were in the Emerald altar in S3, they had different shapes)
>You can power them up with super energy and give them color
>In every single Sonic game since, the Chaos Emeralds are consistently colored, and brilliant-cut
>When they're drained of energy by Chaos or someone similar, they turn the same dull gray they did in Hidden Palace
"""Super Emeralds""" are canon as fuck, they're the emeralds we've seen in every Sonic game since. The only thing that isn't canon is the Hyper Sonic transformation
>>338758983
>Doomsday Zone isn't required to beat the game
The hell it ain't.
>>338758983
>not restoring the floating islands to the sky
>not doing it again as knuckles and sending it into space for some reason
>>338759458
>>338759568
Therefore, super emeralds are canon.
>but what about the salesperson for S3&K Lizuka-
Don't believe his lies
>>338759568
>space
What? No, it stops shy of orbit.
>>338760018
The air goes away well before the blue does.
UNLIKE SONIC I DON'T CHUCKLE
As far as """"canon"""" goes, I don't consider anything said after the departure of Naka to be actual canon. Anything Iizuka has said since then is non-canon to me.
To some people that sounds like edgy talk, manchild talk. It probably is, I don't really care. The biggest thing that clued me in was when reading official supplementary material a few years ago in regards to Sonic 4. I'm having trouble finding it at the moment due to the Sonic 4 website no longer existing (and wayback machine sucking dick) but it was explicitly stated in this story material for Sonic 4 that Sonic's campaign and Knuckles' campain in Sonic 3 & Knuckles ran parallel to each other - despite every single sign in the game itself pointing to the (obvious) fact that Knuckles' campaign in S3K starts after Sonic's has finished.
When I read that, and when I heard that Iizuka didn't even know about things such as the cancelled Sonic X-Treme until fans told him, it became clear to me. This man has no idea about the franchise he's running. With any other show/game/franchise, I take the word of current showrunner as Word Of God. But Iizuka is no God, he's a literal fucking retard who wrongly got given the keys to a giant multimedia brand
>>338761836
Actually, if you read the game book, it says that robotnik tricked knuckles into thinking that sonic was trying to acquire the emeralds for personal gain, and that he'd help knuckles protect them.
There are several cutscenes, and the battle in the hidden palace that show sonic and knuckles are actually going through their story simutaneously. It's also why knuckles story ends on sky sanctuary and didn't continue to the death egg, because he realized he actually needed sonic to help beat robotnik.
What I never understood is why eggman has no mask after finishing flying battery 2 with knuckles, when it isn't Revealed that he was the bad guy all along in hidden palace.
>>338761836
Sonic 4 was just a remix of old sonic games instead of being its own title
Splash Hill is clever though
Splash Hill
Emerald Hill
Green Hill
Angel Island
>>338763070
But the death egg is gone entirely from Knuckles story, and you can't see the beach on Angel Island in Knuckles story. The Sandopolis ghost capsule had already been opened as well.
Sonic even saves him at the end.
>>338763070
Nope, play the game again fambo. Notice how you see Knuckles in Sonic's story, but you never see Sonic in Knuckles' story? Knuckles' gameplay takes place after Sonic's finishes. This is why in Angel Island you can't see the ocean in the background as Knuckles (the island is in the sky again) and there's no water in Launch Base Act 2 initially. It's why you do not see the Death Egg at all in Knuckles' campaign - it isn't in the background of Launch Base Act 1 or Hidden Palace. Eggman isn't on the island at all because the main plot of the game is over - he has left the island, and Eggrobo (who rises from the ashes at the end of Sonic's story) is Knuckles' rival. I could go on, because this shit is everywhere
Did you actually play the game?
>>338763142
that WOULD be clever if it wasn't most likely a complete and utter happy accident on their part
>>338763070
>What I never understood is why eggman has no mask after finishing flying battery 2 with knuckles,
>mask
what the fuck are you talking about
>>338763070
That wasn't a mask but a robot, and it was a glitch.
>>338759165
Maybe the emeralds are pure energy and constantly changed shape due to their power? Maybe then the super emeralds could be seen as their "stable" form form then on.
>>338760695
>>338758041
It's like the early 2000's all over again.
Some retarded guide called it "Hyper Shadow". It's not. It's "Super Shadow" and always was.
>>338757686
As someone who has never played a sonic game can someone explain to me why people tirelessly argue about Knuckles super form being non-canon?
Is there something special about sanic that makes only him viable for entering a super state through muh emeralds? Are hedgehogs basically Sayians?
>>338765085
>>338765109
The worse was "Hyper Tails".
Super Emeralds are canon, but they have to be embedded into the Hidden Palace for them to work, which is why they've never reappeared since 3&K.
>>338765124
In Sonic Heroes, Sonic can turn Super Sonic but Tails and Knuckles are placed in weird bubbles instead of going super.
This has led to a lot of confusion about whether or not Knuckles can go super. He also hasn't gone super since Sonic 3&K i think
>>338765124
dunno, i dont think developers even gave it thought when they made the game and the sequels but sonic fans are gonna sperg as always
>>338765124
In Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Knuckles and Tails could achieve super forms.
Since then, only Sonic, Shadow (edgy rival hedgehog) and Silver (edgy silver-haired hedgehog who's come back from the future to change history) can turn Super (although Blaze gets a form that's similar to super). So yes, in a very literal way, once 3D Sonic started they basically turned Hedgehogs into the Saiyans of the Sonic series. Knuckles is Piccolo or something, idfk
>>338765273
That could have very well been lazyness, but ultimately since the super sonic and "we've gotta find the EMUURALDS" shit is basicaly DBZ I guess they're trying to push hedgehogs as sayians.
That means Echnidnas a namekians.
>>338765789
Does that make Tails Gohan?
>>338765124
>Are hedgehogs basically Sayians?
Apparently.
I mean, We have happy-go-lucky-hero, we have evil one, we have the one from the future trying to change the past.
Knuckles is Piccolo too, by the way.
Started off bad, became good, lives on a floating island (not unlike Kami's lookout) is unique, has a personal connection to mystical objects that grants wishes when all 7 are brought together.
>>338757686
Duh, Knuckles' whole story is that he protects the master emerald, winch is a super emerald.
>>338765937
>Dr Eggman Is a combination of Frieza and Dr. Gero.
>>338765124
>Are hedgehogs basically Sayians?
Basically, which makes echidnas the namekians.
>>338765789My old ass headcanon is that hedgehogs and echidnas have naturally high chaos energy capabilities and can channel that energy with ease. Knuckles can't go Super because he's been around the ME and it's controlling/negating properties that it locked out his ability to do it. Only the Super Emeralds would be strong enough to break that, but they aren't a thing anymore.
>>338765929
You could, but I think the connection is a bit thin. He's just "the sidekick".
>>338765789
>although Blaze gets a form that's similar to super
Burning Blaze, with the use of the Sol Emeralds.
I was hoping we'd eventually see Super Blaze and Burning Sonic, but who knows if a new Rush game will ever be released, and she's just gonna be relegated to support character in any main series games.
>>338766167
If we were going for absurd comparisons, I'd say that Robotnik has a much better comparison to Commander Red of the Red Ribbon army.
>>338766017
>Duh, Knuckles' whole story is that he protects the master emerald, winch is a super emerald.
Nah, super emeralds are enhanced chaos emeralds. Master emerald is its own thing, more powerful than both super and chaos emeralds. If a mere mortal were to try to tap into its energy, they would be fried, which is why only machines like the Death Egg and Metal Sonic can use them to power up.
>>338766462
you're right, he's not much of a Frieza, it's just that some of his hover crafts resemble Frieza's hover throne.
>>338766552
I like the comic's explanation that any living being can "access" the ME's power, but only few can actually harness it. Don't know if that's still a thing post 252 though.
>>338757686
The Super Emeralds are just the emeralds in their current form, aren't they?
>>338758702
I thought he was silver for the longest time - gaining a mild peachiness from the ambient gold light.
>>338761836
I thought they only kept him around because Sonic Team hates sonic and he's the only reason the games are made
More importantly, are the Chaos Rings still canon?
Shadow is my favorite characterhe looks cool and edgy.
>>338767207
dumb spongeposter
>>338767097
No. They're as canon asChaosDiamonds
>>338763891
Nice story but you're wrong.
The island only floats if you restore the super emerald in the sonic/tails ending.
Also, robo robotnik only appears if you don't collect all super emeralds. This suggests that robo robotnik and knuckles story begins while sonic and tails gather the super emeralds. I agree that it isn't an exact match but there has to be some overlap for the endings to make sense
>>338767418
I can't post any (cartoon/game) without being a (fandumb) poster.
>>338767207Agreed.
>>338767703
Hawaiian Shirt Shadow is the best version.
>>338767448
>Chaos Diamonds
Oh god, don't make me go down that route again.
>>338767494
Nope, play the game again, or just check out this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJg6ItSKvt0
The island rises if you get all chaos emeralds but no super emeralds
>>338767207
I think Espio is cooler 2bh. He isn't too edgy, but he's got a pretty stern personality. He's also able to do pretty much everything Sonic and Shadow can do (except for maybe harness emeralds' powers) while also having the skills of a ninja and the camo benefits of being a chameleon.
Espio's a really underrated character, a Sonic Unleashed styled game that's got gameplay similar to the night mission and decent combat would be a cool thing for Espio to be theMC in.
>>338767448
>>338768105
I say replace him with Mighty and Replace Charming with Ray or Emerl.
>>338758430
> [Citation Needed]
>>338768184
>>338767973
>>338767448
STOP
>>338768251
Or just bring back the whole Chaotix crew.
It's obvious Knuckles and Sonic's story takes place concurrently (or very close together). They just left out the cutscenes where Knuckles fucks with Sonic, maybe they didn't have enough time or space to recreate the scenes from Knuckles' perspective.
>>338768331
Doesn't it go by three's?
You could put those rejects with the other cast of Sonic the Fighters and you have 2 new teams already.
>>338765253
>We will never get a sequel to Illbleed
I have proof that Knuckles story comes after Sonic and Tails story
1/2
>>338768308
What's the problem?
2/2
>>338768386
>Explain the Death Egg being absent in every scene and background where it was present in Sonic's story
>Explain the water being missing from the background of Angel Island in Knuckles' story, and from Act 2 of Launch Base (where, again, the Death Egg was nowhere to be seen)
>Explain Sonic's story with all Chaos Emeralds but no Super Emeralds literally ending with the Angel Island restoring to the sky and Eggrobo rising from the ashes for Knuckles' story to begin
>Explain Sandopolis ghost capsule already been popped when Knuckles arrives
Leaving out the cutscenes from Knuckles's point of view would maybe make sense if not for these facts.
>>338768421
That's pretty much what the comics did.
Chaotix with Vector/Espio/Charby
Hooligan with Nack/Bean/Bark.
Last i remember, Mighty and Ray are vagabonds.
>>338768740
Christ did I always look this bad
I specifically remember thinking that this looked better than most webcomics at the time.
>>338768845
It changed artists.
You know what? I'm bored.
Buckle up, kids.
>>338768983
DON'T DO THIS
>>338768983
LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOO
>>338768983
>>338769023
IT'S TOO LATE
>>338768983
SAVE ME
>>338769121
>>338768983
>>338769121
Is this the equivalent of Jojo's Clamp in Wonderland comic?
>>338769234
what the fuck is this?
Why do i feel dread?
>>338769364
>>338768718
>>338768807
Everybody knows Knuckles' story takes place after Sonic's anon, I wouldn't bother with proof, the only people who dispute it are people who don't want their precious childhood headcanon ruined
>>338769467
>>338769559
>>338768009
You're right about the all chaos.
Also, in knuckles sky sanctuary, angel island is floating, which means it took place after all chaos emeralds were gathered by sonic and tails. But my point still stands that robo robotnik only appears before the collection of the super emeralds. Idk whether it's intended as an alternate ending or a discontinuity in the story, but it's still plausible.
>>338769651
>>338769651
Well, when does it get interesting?
>>338767448
A quick google search and I do not want to see this.
>>338769754
>>338767097
What happens if you use the Chaos Emeralds, Sol Emeralds, Chaos Rings, and Time Stones at the same time?
>>338769830
that cosplay event was god tier desu
>>338769853
>>338769775never
>>338769858
That's what CERN hopes to find out
>>338769989
>>338770090
>draw tails
>remove one tail and nose
Bravo, Bryon.
>>338769858
Chaos Rings are just Rings with some of the energy of the Chaos Emeralds. That is to say, they're pretty much useless compared to the main article. If the Chaos Emeralds are a nuke, the Chaos Rings are a dagger. As for the other stuff, I'm not sure. Sol Emeralds are basically just chaos emeralds so you get Chaos Emeralds x 2, plus some kind of time power from the time stones
Super Saiyan 2 Sonic + DIO's The World time stop powers I guess. It's just autistic enough to make sense
>>338770231
>>338770346
>>338767075
I'd assume it's because hes the only guy still at Sonic Team who worked on Sonic during the Genny days. So they can claim that "we know what we're doing this guy worked on S3&K" even though the most relevant thing he did was that cutscene at the beginning where Knuckles punches Sonic.
I like to imagine he's also responsible for the barrel in Carnival Night, but I don't really have any evidence of that aside from him being generally incompetent.
>>338770565
Time for the first artist change.
>>338757686
super emeralds never existed. they were a gameplay bonus for having both 3&k.
the canon sonic ending for 3&k is all normal emeralds. this gets you doomsday and a special ending where egg-robo is shown rising from rubble.
this is where knuckles' run takes place.
the levels have also been edited to show that knuckles' run is after sonic's.
http://info.sonicretro.org/Sonic_3_%26_Knuckles_chronology_and_endings
>>338771070
Keep going anon, I'm enjoying this horrorshit
>>338771376
>>338771215
Hope you don't have plans tonight because this is a long fucking ride.
>>338771487
What if my dick skin gets rug-burned off? Jplay anon, I'm getting fucked up in an hour or so but I'll stick with as long as I can
>>338771594
I've always thought of the Knuckles' arc in Sonic 3 and Knuckles as a "what if" scenario, rather than really happening afterwards.
Is Tails going to fuck Amy or not. I'd rather go read THOSE doujins.
>>338772081
>>338772070
This is a Christian Image Board, you fucking degenerate.
I mean, you CAN do a decent story about Sonic and Tails falling out as friends and reconciling. But this obviously ain't it.
>>338772418
domestic abuse let's go~
Who the fuck is Apple?
>>338772495
i feel likeing this is slowly going to turn into another comic like cliff
>>338772495
What the fuck is going on in this comic, and how much longer is it?
I want to play Space Pirate Trainer.
>>338757686
Were canon, they were rendered non-canon starting with Adventure being a soft-reboot of the franchise.
>>338772608
>>338772632
This shit is 360 pages long, I doubt most of you want to be here for even half of that.
i came here for sonic furry porn, not shitty faggotry
>>338772891
>>338772613
>>338772632
Escape before this hits Bleach-tier power level faggotry
>>338772834
Jesus 360 pages?! WHY
We just hit 10%
Also calling it now Shadow is going to kill Sonic and Shadow, Tails, and Amy will have some weird menage a trois thing.
>>338772974
Will do and read back later I guess.
>>338772834
Well do they fuck or not yo?
So is Shadow going to fuck Amy or "Apple"?
>>338772834
>>338772938
>>338773036
Alright I've gotta say, Matt is a pretty good artist. Good lines and emotion in it.
And fuck calm down Tails damn
>>338773314
>>338773117
Theykiss.
>>338773527
does this get interesting
the art isn't too bad
but the writing is terrible
>>338773614
>>338773582
If by interesting you mean DBZ fanfiction tier bull shit then yes.
>call them emeralds
>only one of them is green
>>338774348
This linework just gets better and better with each page. That punch looked pretty sick, looked liked it actually hurt.
Story's still stupid as fuck though.
>>338775316
>that kick
damn nigga
Welp.
The thread was fun
>>338775316
Have you ever wanted to fly, /v/?
>>338775316
Have you ever kicked someone in the face so hard the world went colored for a second?
I haven't.
>>338775820
annnnnnd DROPPED
>>338763142
>that horrid music
>no puddles of water for Sonic to kick up big splashes
It's shit.
>>338775913
>>338775898
I don't blame you.
>>338775316
YOU'RE LEGENDARY
I HAVEN'T SEEN THIS IN AGES
>psyguy was accused of being a pedo furry and dissapeared
>>338775225
The cringe is palpable
>>338776760
God fucking dammit.
Dropped.
>>338776847
>>338776838
And another one bites the dust.
>>338769731
The way I see it is that the ending is just a hint at the continuity. There's nothing about collecting the emeralds that should effect whether he appears or not (plotwise)
>>338758687
Except the Chaos Emeralds have been part of almost every Sonic's core plot.
Especially Adventure 1 and 2.
Super Emeralds have never been part of any plot.
Even Sonic 3 and Knuckle's plot can reach the same ending with the Chaos Emeralds.
Super Emeralds were confirmed by Iizuka to just be something else to collect for lock-on players.
Stop being retarded.
>>338758041
Shadow is also supposed to be dead in SA2. Sega has no consistency.
>>338777016
That first panel looks cool as shit.
>>338777114
fuck, page 114 can't be real, kek
>>338777531
Based Matt's gone, RIP.
>>338777625
>>338777717
>>338777813
Now the one thing that was pretty cool about this is gone. Look at those fucking faces. Dropped.
>>338777912
>>338777904
And another one bites the dust.
>>338760695
KNUCK KNUCK IT'S KNUCKLES
INDEPENDENT FLOWER, MAGICAL KNUCKLE HOLDER
>>338778379
Does Matt come back?
>>338758163
Super Sonic, Hyper Shadow. Not joking, sort of disappointing to me. Missed opportunity to give a small nod to the original games.
Super Emeralds are canon... and henceforth ignored.
>>338778213
COMEDY
>>338778576
>>338778490
If I remember correctly it's this guy the entire time now, he gets better but it's still trash compared to Matt.
>>338776760
>My name is Deathwish
>>338778978
>I took the same drawing, and turned down the brightness 3 times
Fuck this guy, I gotta see this the whole way.
>>338779151
>televised execution for beating up a celebrity
That's brutal
>>338779329
>those last two panels
>>338779423
Is that last panel just the one before it but zoomed in?
>>338764749
Apparently he thinks the EggRobo Knuckles faces throughout his campaign is Robotnik wearing a mask.
>>338780316
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gd9OhYroLN0
>>338780419
HOPE YOU DONUT STEEL, FOLKS
>>338780419
FUCKING LOL
>those eyes
>that color scheme
>that gi
>THOSE LOW RES SCREENSHOTS
>>338778589
I do like nods, but that also lets Shadow kind of one-up Sonic which really shouldn't happen.
>>338780597
>sonic's silhouette
dude what
>>338780419
