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-bloodborne's lore and story is so fucking in depth and so amazingly un-spoonfed
-couldn't have asked for a better game
-fuck yes
-praise hidetaka miyazaki
If only there was more variety.
Bloodborne is my favorite Souls game, but the story and lore are WAY more nebulous and unsubstantial than even Dark Souls 2's. A lot of the bigger concepts are things that we don't even have enough information to guess at an interpretation, and I've argued before that the plot would feel a lot tighter if they had just told you from the beginning that your contract is to hunt a creature named Mergo. Because you're a hunter with a job to do, not some shmuck that was given blood ministration treatment and brought into the Hunter's Dream just to fart around fighting whatever until you accidentally slay the source of the nightmare (without even knowing what you did until you comb over twenty item descriptions in a second playthrough).
>>338716531
What? The whole descend into madness was one of the best things.
What do you mean by variety?
It would've been much better if they decided to drop all mechanics related to Dark Souls.
>>338716479
was pretty good for a sickdark game, solid 7/10
>>338716479
>praise hidetaka miyazaki
Let's say that the whole team did a good job and the whole new ip, setting and all contributed to making this masterpiece.
Miyazaki's ideas alone are a bunch of autistic ravings
The lore for bloodborne goes so much deeper than that though, you hunt to slay great ones because of the moon presence
>>338716770
The Bloodborne has no build variety meme.
>>338716857
fair call haha I just watched an interview about him talking about the game and just the way you have to figure out the lore and piece things together yourself just fits in so perfectly with the way his mind works
I'll buy a ps4k when the bloodbourne 4k60fps edition is released.
Do you need ps plus? I assume you do since it's the Sony jew
>>338717095
>he thinks they will be re-releasing it for the 4k
keep waiting.
seek the paleblood to transcend the hunt (hit the doll)
>>338717095
You will to play online, offline you're all sweet as well though
>>338716956
It really didn't until The Old Hunters. Vanilla Bloodborne had Strength and Skill builds that ended up playing the same way, and Bloodtinge builds that sorta played a tiny bit differently. Even the additional options provided by the DLC are pretty much gated off until NG+, since there's very little chance of beating Orphan and Laurence at SL30.
While the build variety is lacking compared to the other Souls games, I appreciate that it's all balanced around one another, whereas in Dark Souls 3, if you aren't using light armor and a fast weapon, preferably with a shield, you can just go fuck yourself.
>>338717095
>4k
>60fps
>ps4
my sides
>>338716479
>couldn't have asked for a better game
>yet they made DaS3
BASED MADMEN
Best weapon coming through.
>>338716721
I worked out my main goal in my first blind run, it seemed pretty straight forward in that sense. I know people that don't care about that lore that worked out what your purpose was. It's odd to hear this complaint.
>>338719748
But that's notits tricked form.
Worst Souls game, worse than Dark Souls 2.
No build variety
Story is pretentious fedoracore
Dropped this game after about two playthroughs, faster than I put down any other Souls title. It's disappointing on its own, but a real piece of shit for infesting Dark Souls 3 with some of its mechanics and enemies.
>>338721005
Holy shit dude could you cool it with the memes? We're trying to have a discussion here
>>338716479
they fucked up this game
the DLC stuff should've been part of the main story and main game from the ground up, it's also really pivotal in the backstory of gherman and the doll, obvious cut content is obvious, the game was rushed by one year, tanks sony you cucks
why did moon presence even want the other old ones dead?
Who bloodletter here?
>>338722590
Bloodletter is fucking great. I haven't used a single weapon I disliked yet.
>>338722371
It's fan canon more than anything
Bloodborne>DS3
There, I said it.
If From was competant and fixed the glaring problems with 3 maybe this wouldn't be the case.
What games let me HUNT like Bloodborne and monhun?
>>338722907
At least Bloodborne actually has weapon balance
>>338722371
>eldritch god
>knowing its intent
Lolno
You are a flea on his ass and in killing him probably became his reincarnation.
You are not the squidkid, he is. Using your body as a vessel.
Maybe. I dunno.
>>338716791
Fucking what? Dark Souls mechanics are the fucking best
>>338722907
Wtf DS3 is one of the most balanced and solid games of thw fucking decade.
I'd like bloodborne more if it was easier to invade.
>>338723187
I agree with that guy, it would have done well to be more different if only superficially to further stand out on its own.
>>338723418
don't be baitin yo
>>338722910
Witcher 3. The combat ain't nearly as good though. And at some point you've seen every quest formula.
>>338723471
>follow red trail to cave
>fight chort
>follow red trail to forest
>fight fiend
>follow red trail to house
>fight bandits
>>338723471
I've played Witcher 1 and 2. Did they really increase the emphasis on the HUNTAN?
>>338723449
No seriously man, is important to mention that i never play PVP it's too boring to me
>>338716479
>couldn't have asked for a better game
>>338723471
>witcher
>combat
This is why I haven't touched it.
It looks great aside from that but I can't justify putting a million hours into a game that is only good outside of combat.
>>338723752
he said game, not visual novel
>>338721005
Here's here's your (you)
>>338723786
Give me an RPG with a better combat than Witcher.
>Inb4 bloodborne
Not an RPG.
>>338724128
Dark Souls
How is Bloodborne not an rpg? You level up, you make a character, it's got most of the elements associated with RPGs. It does not have 40 hours of cutscenes though, but that's not what makes an RPG witcherfag.
>>338724195
And the covenant system leads to roleplaying where the player designs motivations and beliefs for his character.
>bloodborne's lore and story is so fucking in depth
>Hack&slash monster A
>Hack&slash monster B
>No dialogues
>No story
>No depth
It's basically COD with swords.
guise pls no ;_;
>>338724128
>Mass Effect
>Souls
>TES (pre Skyrim, post Skyrim with mods)
>Dragon's Dogma (the only reason to play it)
>>338724195
Because he's going to move the goalposts. Witcher's a good series but everyone knows the combat is mediocre.
That's why everyone plays on Death March.
>>338723956
Not baiting, Bloodborne being the worst Souls game is my legitimate opinion.
The only reason it gets the praise it does is because it's exclusive, and I'm not about to judge a game on such a stupid merit, especially since I sold my Ps4.
>>338724195
>Bloodborne
>Dark souls
>An RPG
>Linear story
>No dialogue options
>No quests
>>338723570
Magic and faith are shit unless you are level 80+ and they still are slow as fuck to cast against enemy and bosses, if they hit which they often dont.
>>338724598
>opinion
>stating 'The only reason it gets the praise it does is because it's exclusive' like a fact
Does not compute.
>>338724517
>Mass Effect
>Shooter
>"Combat"
>Souls
>An RPG
>TES
This is bait.
>DD
Didn't play it, but even it fit was, it's still literally ONE game you can think of.
>>338724598
>not baiting
>only good because exclusive
>implying
>>338716479
>Story
>Soulsborne games
LOL
>>338724689
I'm talking about people who hail it as the best Souls game in the series bar none.
I'm sure that people would still like the game and consider it a really good entry into the series regardless, but to consider it the best when Dark Souls 1 exists tells me that Bloodborne was either their first Souls title or they're blinded by platform elitism.
>>338724756
I fucking knew it
>>338722371
>implying you can understand the motives of an almighty eldritch horror god
The GOTY edition with all the DLC is only £30 right now. I'll probably get it after I'm done with the Witcher DLC at the end of the month.
>>338724914
You didn't answer my question.
>>338719748
Thats not what the kirkhammer looks like pal, let me correct that for you
>>338725114
People should really stop sleeping on this thing, it's my favorite PvE weapon
>>338724340
This fucking bait
>>338724840
Souls 1 was my first and I think Bloodborne is at least on par in many areas and exceeds in just as many.
I still couldn't pick a favorite between them but those two are leagues ahead of the others IMO.
Not everyone is a giant elitist or Sonygger.
In fact I think DeS is pretty mediocre and has aged like milk in the desert but that's an entirely different argument.
>>338725114
>regularly hear about how horrible kidnappers were when I started bloodborne
>rarely got killed by them after my first encounter because I used the kirkhammer
It's so fun to crush enemies with its power.
>>338719748
Haha, ok Dexfag.
Teleports behind you, amirite?
I'll just be over here being the most recognized weapon of the entire series while also having the most varied moveset of any Moonlight Sword with an assosciated bossfight and best art assets.
>>338724840
I started with DeS in 2009 and Bloodborne is my favourite. They're all good though, even DaS2.
>>338725114
Blunt damage is pretty mediocre in this game. The transformed Kirkhammer just doesn't "feel" as strong as you'd expect it to.
>>338723046
>>338725049
well you can kill it so understanding it shouldn't be hard, it's not like the game tries to be faithful to HP lovecraft, more like it shits on it hard allowing you to kill beings that in theory should make you go mad just by looking at them desu senpai
>>338726005
Great Ones don't die, they're like Kos, their bodies just stop moving and their consciousnesses go into a hibernation state, Kos can still act and blast lightning to help the Orphan in her fight, and the dreams they created persist after their deaths
>>338726005
This desu. Despite how fucking dark and morbid BB is, it had a surprisingly upbeat and life affirming message to it I found.
>>338724625
>Linear story
there are multiple endings, optional areas, and the order in which you complete them is not completely linear
>no dialog options
flat out wrong, not that this is what makes an RPG an RPG
>no quests
There are quests in Dark Souls and Bloodborne. Just because there's not a fucking waypoint / red trail of gas leading you to your next objective does not mean it is not a quest.
>>338726105
Being guaranteed an eventual madness and beasthood just from being a hunter (which is required to be strong enough to stop everything) is hardly "life affirming" or "upbeat"
>>338725114
>>338725231
>>338725620
It's damage still doesnt make it worth with that slow moveset though.
>>338726451
It's really not slow and the hammer stunlocks like mad, it's just not good for PvP is what you're thinking, and the sword is fairly fast by itself
>>338725674
Oh, look, it the meme version of that meme sword
>>338726612
You mean best version right?
>>338726612
Meme magic is power.
BLOOD KATANAS
>>338726902
LADY MARIA IS CUTE
C U T E
U
T
E
>>338726902
>>338727191
I wanna bully Lady Maria!
>>338726902
WEEEE!!
>>338727264
How do you bully tall girls?
>>338726105
>given demonic blood transfusion that has unknown transformative effects on the body, the least of which makes your arm into a claw sometimes
>entire city is on the verge of madness and transformation from the very beginning, many being halfway-steps between man and beast
>they all go crazy or transform halfway through, then die after Rom
>Gehrman and the hunters are pawns of an eldritch devil who either attacks you or forces you into Gerhman's place
>the hunters that leave the dream either end up in a distorted nightmare realm of bloodlust or hunt each other down for sport
>countless abominations staring down at people driving them mad theough the veil
>beasts can't be contained, roam the countryside and invade neighboring realms
Have some eyes and see the world for what it is.
the chalice dungeons are funny
>>338727675
>weebshit name like "Ryota assassins"
>retard
Like pottery
>>338727971
Executioner Gloves are so god damn good
this was one of my favorites because at the time it was like "what does this nigger think he is doing?"
Is there any connection between Dark Souls and Bloodborne, lore wise? I don't just mean easter eggs. I've only played DS1, considering getting all of the games and playing them to try to understand stuff
>>338728271
Separate universes
>>338728162
Getting one shot? I don't know.
Doesn't seem like he did anything wrong aside from not levelling VIT enough.
>>338728360
There isn't enough vit in the world to save you from being oneshotted by a defiled hotdog charge
>>338728375
Fuck that thing.
>>338728360
read the file name, he used a blue elixir right before entering the boss, which is absolutely pointless
and you can't level vit enough to survive that attack, even at 50vit you will die in 1 hit unless you're at your physical defense is insanely high due to being level 200+
>>338728271
No. Dark Souls 1, 2 & 3 take place in the same universe but with thousands of years between games. Demon's Souls is a different story in a different universe, Bloodborne is a different story in a different universe. There's a ton of easter eggs but that's all.
>>338728297
>>338728375
That's a bit disappointing. Any connection to Demon Souls?
Also, is it true you can become a monster in BB? I heard a rumor before it came out that you can transform into some of the bigger monsters and invade people
>>338728561
>Any connection to Demon Souls?
bloodborne originally had characters saying "umbasa", but it was removed before release
>>338728561
aside from a few corpses in the chalice dungeons that wear armor sort of resembling the fluted set, no
>>338728630
Don't forget that the Watchers in the chalices will sometimes eat a grass like in Demon's Souls to heal themselves
>>338728561
>Also, is it true you can become a monster in BB?
The expansion pack has new runes. One turns you into a mushroom squid ayylmao, one turns you into a werewolf. They both only really work if you pair them with the right weapon, otherwise they're just cosmetic AFAIK.
>>338728679
Fucking what? Really?
>>338728695
>otherwise they're just cosmetic AFAIK.
Milkweed increases item discovery, beast's embrace increases beasthood a little bit I think. Without the corresponding weapons they're basically worthless.
>>338728695
That's kind of lame. I remember hearing you could become a giant spider boss thing and kill players.
Anyway, I'm still going to get this game. Thanks anons!
>>338728271
Think of it like SMT. Tons of different franchises that reuse assets.
>>338728808
I'm fucking triggered seeing these Chalice bosses again.
>>338728781
Yeah, there's a webm floating around there somewhere, it's really rare, but they'll reach into their pocket then bring their hand to their mouth and heal up, it looks exaclty like a grass animation from DeS
I just started the game with my friend, we have been Cooping it together. Coming from DS1 as my only souls game, it seems really linear.
Of course we are only at the second Gherman.
I dislike that Triangle is dedicated heal, I keep pressing it to change stances. Also blood shards seem pretty rare, only get it as a drop from the taller mutants in the sewer/aqueduct area
>>338728360
defiled watchdog is a bitch, you get half health and every other enemy in the dungeon dungeon, but since it's depth 4, it's still tanky and hits hard as fuck. summoning help is a death sentence if you don't kill it fast enough
i will never platinum BB ;-;
>>338728908
This is some "my dad is Nintendo" level of playground bullshit, what are you 8?
>>338728994
*Second boss, Gherman.
As for weapons, I'm unsure of what to go for. Right now I'm using the Kirkhammer, but tricked is pretty bad.
>>338728929
I'm no Megaten expert, but don't they all technically take place in the same universe?
>>338729174
gherman isnt the second boss
you probably mean gascoigne
>>338728519
>>338728162
Wow look at this crocodile-wolf hybrid!
>>338716479
Is this you OP?
>>338728994
>still in Yharnum
>linear
Sure thing m8
>>338729091
For what, believing a rumor about a game I've never played? I don't think that's retarded, just gullible.
>>338729292
I still don't get this meme.
Do people not know what a Hellhound/Barghest is?
>>338728908
While it would be cool if you could transform into the abhorrent beast like the suspicious beggar does in the story, there would probably be balancing issues
>>338728630
That punch is the fucking bane of my existence.
>>338729601
I've died to it more times than I'm proud to admit
>>338728375
>the speed of that spin animation
no, fuck that
I still think that was unintentional and bugged af
>>338729253
Yeah, my bad. Only thing that stinks is because I trade off at every death, my friend uses all of our vials for the fight. So then we have to literally grind for vials/souls to buy them.
I know he is a bad player, but this is his first souls game. He played for hours fighting the cleric beat, and I killed it on my second try
>>338719748
completely irrelevant since Rakuyo
>>338730129
not really, BoM has arcane damage from the start
>>338730129
tfw never going to get rakuyo
>>338730527
why, can't kill the sharks?
>>338725240
Mein neger
Church pick is pure sex.
my only big complaint about BB is the bullet and vial system
they should've just made them refill on respawn/lamp interaction.
I know people complain about Laurence and Living Failures, but I thought all five DLC bosses were fantastic and distinct. Laurence's second phase in particular is fun as fuck. Plus god tier music.
>>338730527
Get some Shammy's Bong Bling, nerd.
>>338730693
I agree, respawn maybe 5-10 vials, and you either buy more for a higher price, or rarer drops.
>>338729174
>I'm unsure of what to go for
axe for easy mode
>>338730693
Honestly they're never much of an issue unless you're really bad.
Like, i'm pretty bad myself and even I never ran out of vials on my first playthrough.
When in doubt just dump all of your souls into buying some after a boss.
>>338730693
They do though, if you have reserves.
And they drop like candy, especially the Quicksilver Bullets.
>>338729174
If you have the DLC, jump into the DLC as early as possible and hunt around for weapons. Otherwise check out the axe.
>>338730693
once you git gud they're not an issue, most of my characters have between 400-600 vials in their storage.
When you're a beginner I know it can be hard but if you spend some of the echoes you would use to level on vials, you're a lot less likely to run out.
>>338730614
more like can't even kill ludwig on my 43 shitter
I was hoping to get that weapon early on and faceroll the base game with it, and after doing that just help people but it didn't quite work out as I hoped
>>338730767
I can understand not liking the Lawrence fight but Living Failures was great.
I think I shit myself in anticipation when they all stopped moving to do the meteor summon for the first time.
>>338730985
He can't jump into it until after Vicar Amelia.
Yamamura gave Maria his Rakuyo
>>338716479
Why is this game a copy of Nightmare Creatures?
>>338731281
That's pretty soon after Gascoigne, potentially.
>>338730527
Don't give up, took me twenty times but I beat the sharks. Also managed to make it through chalices; if I can do it, you can do it.
>>338731437
Eh I dick around usually before doing the time shift, killing the witches, and darkbeast paarl.
So, did people really have that much of a hard time with Orpan? He was probably the second easiest dlc boss next to the Failures.
>>338733102
Most people fought him to the death and not sucked him off to the point of dehydration.
>>338716479
And yet the story can be summed up by
>Ayy lmaos came long time ago
>They met a now long lost civilization
>Humans encountered an old one still alive
>Made a cult around this old one and used its blood and its knowledge
>Shit happens
That's your typical lovecraftian novel and that's it. It looks good, and has good ideas, but it is not that original sadly.
I wish the new weapons they added in the DLC were spread throughout the entire game, rather than being contained to the DLC area. Build variety is so much larger when you include those weapons, but as the game is now, a huge chunk of weapons are all in three lategame areas. You can get some of them by going right after Amelia, but good luck with anything past Ludwig, and the kos parasite is hiding behind a final-boss tier opponent. I don't really want the DLC to be earlier and easier, though.
>>338734367
>if I boil a plot down to 4 bullet points it's simple and unoriginal
>in a sea of modern military shooters and shit like modern Bioware, competent Lovecraftian themes are unoriginal
Kill yourself
>>338734367
And yet another story where
>Shit happens
How original.
Dark Souls 3 is better.
>>338717095
>ps4k
>60fps
>4k rez
pick two
>>338734367
>anon gets computer
>shitposts
Your story isn't much better.
>>338734821
>2 bosses to access the DLC.
Big deal.
>>338734948
>Lovecraftian themes
Kill yourself memedditor
>>338734948
>put ayy and werewolves into a game
>don't forget to put a squid head on a big monster
>suddenly lovecraft
>>338735220
>memedditor
>>338735220
It's obviously inspired by similar stories. At least, the second half of the game is. Before that, it's just werewolf stuff.
>>338735354
>worship of alien-like monsters
>monsters exist on a separte plane
>interacting with them is said to cause humans to go mad
>"but it's not a basic lovecraftian story, you stupid reddit memer"
>>338735485
by second half you mean past Rom?
what are the references from there onwards?
>>338735179
Except the DLC is entirely linear, so there's no way to progress further in the DLC without killing bosses in it. You can't even fight Laurence without killing Ludwig even though Laurence's room is sooner. All of the interesting new weapons that actually fill some kind of niche are later into the expansion.
>>338735646
Mensis
>>338735660
the best dlc weapon is before ludwig though
>>338735485
Are you retarded?
Yes, it indeed is
My beef is with le so quirky loveraafft is my favorite author xDD leddditors who think lovecraft invented aliens or tentacle monsters
even more obnoxious when someone calls any piece of artwork LOVECRAFTIAN XD the fucking hack wrote stories, never made a piece of art besides some shitty drawing of a cucktulhu slav squatting
>>338734948
>>338734987
>>338735162
Every time.
Bloodborne is a sacred cow that we can't criticize here. Miyazaki is good when he rethinks what we are used to. Giving a new definition to demons, gods and playing on the expectations of the player about a knight's quest is quite smart . Rethinking the Van Helsing clichés with the vileblood had potential, but what he did with his Lovecraft fanfiction was not that original actually.
>>338735953
the best weapon is the bent saw cleaver imbued with a fire or bolt gem, hands down. it carried me through the whole game.
any other heavy 2H pure phys weapon is fine alongside it. ludwigs, kirk, MLGS, pizza cutter, anything.
>>338735646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voMAx-lKfIw
Do you really need it spelled out?
>>338736184
Look, nobody cares that you were proven mentally challenged in a previous thread. Keep your opinionated debate points to yourself and fuck off.
For the lovecratian themes, there's also the fact the game centers on dreams. Lovecraft had a period where many of his stories focused on aspects of "dreamlands."
Maybe Bloodborne's not a direct reference or pull from it, but it does seem oddly similar to be just a coincidence.
>>338736237
best 2H is Bloodletter, but you need to level bloodtinge a lot
>>338730504
Split damage weapons are particularly inferior in Bloodborne on physical builds.
>>338735660
>Amygdalan arm
>beast hunter saif
>beast cutter
>boomhammer
>Simon's Bowblade
>Whirligig Saw
>all available from the first area of The Old Hunters
>all except Simon's obtainable without killing anything
>>338717463
>he need to have light weapon to make things work
how to spot a shitter. you know this point is moot already.
>>338735992
You are full blown autistic.
>>338735992
Then why attack people who are just talking about the themes of the story? Nobody even said shit about "favorite author" or that Lovecraft invented aliens. You just came out of nowhere with that.
>>338736184
>but what he did with his Lovecraft fanfiction was not that original actually
Compared to every other Lovecraft-inspired game, which treats it as "dude tentacles lmao", it's pretty fucking original.
>>338716479
Bloodborne<DS3
There, I said it.
>>338730627
>>338725240
>Church Pick
>does righteous and serrated damage
>transformed mode is entirely thrust attacks
>can stack thrust gems to do huge damage with it's fast and long reaching moveset
>thrust damage boosts visceral attacks as well up to insane levels
Other weapons aren't even trying.
>>338736697
>>338736641
same thing as CoD kids going into a trailer of a new fps game to type "cod ripof." in the comments
everyone who uses the term "lovecraftian" is a retard trying to seem like they know what they are talking about
he popularized it, he didnt invent it. You are its casual audience and he introduced you to it
bloodborne is more original, interesting and coherent/ substantial than anything memecraft ever did btw
>>338736828
I'm tempted to consider the same, but the main game isn't enough for me.
I hope they deliver decent multi-themed stuff in the dlc like SOTFS.
Just killed the Bloodstarved Beast a while ago, where do I have to go now?
Went to that tower in the Cathedral Ward, but the top door was locked and the town underneath the tower wrecks my shit. Died in that town and was transported somewhere else, but they wrecked my shit as well.
So, am I just bad or did I go the wrong way?
>>338729918
30 frames with drops will do that, I really do wish the game did play at 60. Would be so much fun
>>338737110
Keep going down in the town area in the tower
You'll find a shortcut to open a big gate in the cathedral ward, go through the area and either into the grand cathedral for a boss or off to one of the sides for an optional area and easy boss
>>338737073
DLC+BB>DS3>BB in my opinion
>>338737110
you either get to a new spot in town to drop you behind the gates in cathedral ward via dropping down that chasm thing in the Healing Church workshop or you buy the 10k blood echoe chief hunter emblem in the Hunter's Dream and use that to open the first gate in cathedral ward
>>338717463
>>338736568
>They bloodborne'd it
Hmmmm, mmmmm, ooooohh?
>>338737298
The only part I've truly enjoyed in BB's dlc was the fishing hamlet. everything else was just about the bosses, not the maps.
>10+
>25% gems
>50 str, 50 dex
I can 2-hit literally anyone. I have beat(broken) the game. No spam or dlc faggotry comes close.
>>338737530
Chikage says hi
>>338737395
What?
>>338738041
Literally uselsess. Don't stand in one place getting spammed.
>>338737530
Does going 50/50 even make that much of a difference? I'm at 30/35 and every point I spend after that only adds like 2 damage.
>>338738382
the only people who are afraid of Chikage are shitters who are afraid of getting rekt by bosses while having your health drained.
that shit buffed at 40 stats goes far beyond ludwigs
>>338738517
For Ludwigs it does. Only weapon in the game with B/B scaling.
>>338737530
>50 strength and 50 skill
>going above level 100
the only thing you've broken is yourself
>>338716479
>there will never be a bloodborne PC port
>there will never be a bloodborne 2
>>338738618
Scared? They swishswish at empty air and I hit 80% of their health with one light attack. The only fear I see is the 15-20 vials popped off in a 3 minute span by literally every bloodtinge I've ever fought.
>>338738667
I'm sorry I can't hear you over the sound of me cutting everyone in half with 1-2 swings.
>>338738967
>nothing personnel kid! I always teleport behind them!
yeah totally
>>338738967
you wouldn't know what a good pvper looks like as you're over leveled as fuck and won't be in the proper pvp range
>>338739129
>memes
ok
>>338716479
Don't you mean bloodporn
>>338739252
>things that totally happened
>the weapon is bad because people have bad accuracy
ok
>>338739386
I don't know man, maybe you're just better than the thousands of bloodtinges I've killed.
>>338739238
What's the proper pvp range? And more specifically, why does being above it make it worse for me and the people I fight?
>>338728498
>>338728519
What. I have survived it with like 35-40 Vit while wearing the bone ash set and fire defense runes.
>>338739797
>fire defense
there you go.
I was on bone ash with 60 vit and defiled hotdog still oneshotted me.
Does the game have good replay value? I was let down by DS3 in that regard in terms of how linear it was and how few weapons and builds were viable or fun to use.
>>338739629
80-100
all of the people who take pvp seriously are going to stay in that range. At that range you can't possibly 50/50 strength skill otherwise you'll have no vit so you'll get 1-hit by the chikage or raped by evelyn.
>>338739797
>fire defense runes
ah, that might make it possible. I know i've been 1-hit many times with the bone ash set with more than 45 vit.
>>338740098
>Does the game have good replay value
If you like it, yes, if you don't like it, no.
>>338740098
i think so but i play online a lot
>>338740098
Yes and no. There are lots of really fun and varied weapons to use. Weapon viability and balance is much, MUCH better than DS3. However, if you want maximum damage gems, you have to repeat the chalice dungeons on every character which really hurts the replayability for a lot of people. I made three characters before I got too sick of chalices where as in DS1, I made like 10+ characters.
>there are people who will never play Bloodborne blind
>there are people who will never experience the sudden genre drop when Bloodborne turned Lovecraftian
How does it feel to miss out on this generation's version of "Aeries dies" because you were too stubborn to buy a PS4?
>>338740176
I see. Ok that makes some sense.
>>338740742
people that are well above that level are usually less experienced and you won't see the good chikage / bowblade shitters like the popular "nothin personal kid" webms
>>338740737
Honestly playing bloodborne blind was one of the best feelings i got playing a game in a while
Bloodborne is legit an amazing game, if only because it combines Souls gameplay with fucking 10/10 art direction. I was pretty disillusioned with vidya after MGSV failed to be the second coming of christ, bought a PS4 specifically for it. Bloodborne rekindled my faith in vidya a bit. Judging from how I noticed a spike in Bloodborne threads around 10-20 days after MGSV release I'm probably not alone in that.
Someone please explain Bloodborne's plot
What's paleblood
What's the moon presence
What are the Great Ones
What is the nightmare and why is it happening
What is the hunter dream and why is it happening
What are hunters and what greater purpose do they serve
>>338740737
please don't be sad, lady maria!
>>338741006
I mean there's still plenty of bow spam/chikage at 120, plenty of a lot of things honestly. But I think I still have around 1200 hp even with the 50/50 so no real 1-2 hit combos on me. It's funny, now that I think back for the first 8 months or so following release I did play at 100, vitality was very low. I can't say I saw much of a difference in play style/skill between that and 120. Maybe I should have left the loft more often.
i made fake iosefka mad and she attacked me, but i ran away. i just beat rom. do i kill her now?
>>338741397
are you retarded?
>>338741397ayylmao blood
an ayylmao
ayylmaos
A realm created by the ayylmaos for fucking around with Kosm
Gherman got fugged by the Moon Presence and now he has to maintain the dream. The dream is a tool created by the Moon Presence to complete hunts, not all hunts are the same and we are not the only hunter to have gone through the dream.
They're hunters, they kill beasts.
You would know this if you weren't retarded.
>>338741397
i'll explain the things i know about briefly
the great ones are basically gods
-i guess hunter's dream can only be explained by the fact that it will be night time until you kill the moon presence
-the moon presence is the one causing the eternal night
-the nightmare is happening because a bunch of people found the blood of the great ones (or ''gods'') and it had the capability to heal any kind of ailment but what the people didn't know was that it corrupts the users and makes them something of a human/great one abominations that are also called beasts
>>338741990
Not that guy but all the Hunters are doomed to be fucking beast right? Just with a lil tiny bit of ayylamao blood should be enough to set the clock moving right? Which takes me to my other question: Since Eileen its and outsider shouldnt she be clean?
Why were other hunters allowed to leave the dream?
>>338741397
Paleblood is temptation
Laurence is Judas
Ebrietas is Christ
Oedon is god
Almond is behemoth
Kos is leviathan
Laurence's monster is satan
when you make a deal with it it takes your right leg from which the BEAST's blood creeps up upon
Finish forbidden woods (I'm halfway through and unlocked the shortcut back to lantern) or explore the nightmare frontier. Which should I do? I'm in my first run.
>>338716479
YET ANOTHER wishful thinking - the thread
>>338740098
It has good replay value in the sense you'll want to play it again from scratch and try out different builds.
for NG+ it's completely pointless since it adds nothing at all. no weapon bonuses, no extra dialogue or quests, no NG+ exclusive items or equipment, enemies just get roided.
>>338742865
Nightmare frontier is surprisingly easy. I did it before woods
>>338742865
go jump into the DLC area
If the ayy lmaos come from the sky/cosmos then how come Kosm came from the sea?
>>338743295
shit from the deep sea have some relation to the ayy
both are lanky, slimy and have tentacles or balloon heads
>>338742491
That's kinda vague. They make it seem like you need to have the blood iminstrations in order to even access the hunter's dream. And Eileen states she no longer dreams like the player. Djura also alludes to this.
And it's never really clear if even a drop of the paleblood causes the beast scourge, or if it's a continuous intake that causes it.
All in all, Eileen leaves, never to be seen again, so we can't be sure what really happens with her.
>>338742605
They had completed their task. It's evident that the night the player joins the hunt, and by extention, the hunter's dream, is not the first time it's happened.
Every time a hunt has happened, the dream is made real through Gerhman, who may or may not be dead in the physical world. Every night of the hunt, the end goal for the hunters is different. For our night, it was possibly to find and/or kill Mergo.
>>338741397
They just put things in the game that sound/look cool. Nothing makes any sense.
>>338744583
I wonder how other hunts went and why their accomplishments aren't really mentioned.
>>338724625
Souls games do not have linear stories, do have options to choose different things via dialogue like telling Pyromancer about the flame, telling people about the safe zones in BB, and the end game decisions, and have a fuck ton of side quest.
Not to mention many RPG games dont have any of those 3 things and are still considered RPGs.
>tfw imagining a Demon's Souls HD remake with Bloodborne's graphics engine
That would be so neato.
>>338745896
You know? I dont really hate Shad, he suffer enough but fuck me if his coloring isnt dogshit
Funny how the mini vault girl art is real good when you put it against his normal stuff
why is it bad if i have 50 in both STR and skill?
>>338746706
memes
>>338746706
You become too high level to take part in /v/'s pvp circlejerk
>>338746808
>to take part in /v/'s pvp circlejerk
like, is there a set level cap? can you even have your own server? i still don't understand. i'm at 50/50 with 40 arcane. i do, however, need more VIT, though
>>338747160
There are divisions on who you can play with depending on your blood level.
>a bloodborne thread every 30 minutes
go to /vg/ time in bloodborne and stay there. We don't need this shit every 30 minutes
>>338747242
ah, i see. is level 100+ too overpowered or something?
>>338747285
You're right. We need more Overwatch threads.
>>338740541
>However, if you want maximum damage gems, you have to repeat the chalice dungeons on every character
Which is why I just do it all on one character. I don't care about PVP so there's no reason to stop leveling. 50/40/50/50/50/50.
>>338747442
No, /v/ and bloodborne general just like to meme about how builds become too uniform and lose uniqueness above the 90s range.
>>338745896
>shadbase
but wheres the pen0r
>>338747636
literally the worst kind of people
>>338743295
The sky and the cosmos are the same, and so are the deep waters that reflect them. As above, so below.
>>338747450
We need less spam. It doesn't matter if it is overwatch or bloodbore.
Honest question though, why don't you fuck off to /vg/ like DaS 3 threads? I bet your generals are so dead you are forced to come back here, because nobody gives a fuck about this game.
>>338747285
nigger, this thread was posted almost seven hours ago
>>338747636
>>338747442
>>338746808
you casuals can pretend that people actually play pvp at level 150 or whatever the fuck you're at, but they don't.
>>338723418
Is this a joke? Das3 is the least balanced
-heavy, slow weapons are useless
-offensive magic and faith are useless
-heavy armor is useless because lolpoiseoff, no need to waste points on vit
-tracking of thrust swords is absolutely retarded
-pvp is geared HEAVILY against the invader (more so than previous games)
This isn't even considering the myriad if problems that arose from having the speed in between Das and BB, such as shitty camera in boss fights, big bosses like ocerius always whiffing their attacks, etc.
Das3 needs a big patch
>>338741186
Exactly my experience, I even bought the red MGSV ps4.
>>338747636
since there is no Soul Arrow or Dark Orb, people can't complain about magic builds cheesing the game like in other souls games.
the next thing to shitpost around is level 100 and bloodtinge/arcane builds. I'm surprised there isn't too much noise about bone ash too.
>>338747636
How is that a meme? coming from someone who never PVP's, I usually lose the drive to play in any souls game on NG+ and just make a new character because the RPG aspect of balancing out what you want to do while maximizing effectiveness is more fun than being a monotone god that can do absolutely anything when the combat system or gameplay mechanics arent nearly good enough to stand on their own
>>338748231
old hunter bone fags are horrible, by using it they literally admit that they're not good enough for pvp without a crutch.
>>338729456
>Barghest
not a virgin so no
>>338748026
the first priority should be fixing the mass bannings, it's ridiculous
you've just chilling online then a faggot invades you, pokes your ass and suddenly you're flagged for whatever reason.
>>338747450
Overwatch
>game recently came out,
Bloodborne
>came out a year ago
I don't approve of overwatch because it's a team fortress clone basically. But every day
>tfw no ps4
fuck exclusives seriously
im such a big dark souls fanboy i enjoyed dark souls 2 to no end just like the other 2, theres simply no way i wouldnt like this game
why does this game get shitposted somehow baiting PC users most of the time?
>>338748497
what's stopping you from using it as well?
this is far from being as bad as lloyd's talisman + humanity spamming
>>338748714
>why does this game get shitposted somehow baiting PC users most of the time?
Because it is one of the best games of 2015 and only on the nogamestation 4
>>338740737
Really good, honestly. There is actually zero other PS4 games I want to play.
>>338748714
get a job you faggot
two months won't kill you
>>338748026
Most of those aren't even true
Stop spouting shit you don't know about
>>338749000
where i live, a ps4 is almost 5 times the minimum monthly salary
>>338749232
>the PC players are 3rd worlders meme is true
sorry anon
>>338749232
meant to reply>>338748995
>>338749232
let me guess, it's HUEzil
>>338748671
Blizz shills are still working overtime, give it a rest kikes.
>>338748914
That was a pretty awesome moment in the game. And I didn't even find the place until like my 4th playthrough when I thought I found everything
>>338748008
i still don't get it. are you complaining because it'll be too high of a level for PvP "standards" that came out of nowhere?
>>338751151
"pvp standards" is an easily movable goalpost for scrubs to excuse their failure with retarded self-imposed handicaps they push on everybody.
that's the same thing that happened with smash bros when people started mocking with that "no items fox only final destination" meme
>>338751486
that i know, but i just want to know why. there must be, at least, some reason they push it. do they think it'll be too hard to face players over 100? someone needs to explain this to me
>>338751486
>>338751914
I don't know where you're getting this from. The community has agreed on either one or several levels for the pvp meta since demon's souls. This has nothing to do with egos or handicaps and everything to do with promoting build diversity.
In Demon's it was found at 120 that you could have an interesting build and still have point for survivability without having so much of everything that every character was the same.
This tradition carried forward.
If we all level to 300 then there are no "builds" every character is just the same with capped damage stats and surviability stats. There's no room to creativity.
>>338752054
>The community has agreed on either one or several levels for the pvp meta since demon's souls.
that's bullshit, it wasn't a huge community consensus, it was the game itself that outright denied any MP interaction with people that weren't around the same soul level range.
when DS2 came around it took a long time for From to create the Agape Ring so people could start making their builds on limited levels
>This tradition carried forward.
go home Vaati, the souls fanbase isn't a noble gentleman society that upholds a several years old code of honor through the whole franchise
>>338752054
Most people aren't even going to get to 200
how is it possible that no one posted this yet? All I was told it's that it appeared/disappeared in twitter earlier this morning
>>338716956
Thats not even a meme, its just a fact. The games good but it does have far less build variety.
>>338753000
>artifacts
literally the most fake shit I've ever seen
>>338753000
I'd imagine it's fake, the background is just some key art of Yharnam from a while back.
>>338753068
And it still has more build variety than DS3.
Is it possible to go through the game with pure melee and not use a firearm at all?
Some bosses are just annoying as fuck if you don't use a gun.
>>338751486
you guys can keep playing at 120 like retards if you want, just don't be surprised when you miss 90% of the pvp community because you're too high of a level to play with them
>>338753764
Not true at all, but okay
>>338753764
Stop bandwagoning on the DS3 hate train, that's just untrue.Although it still has low build variety compared to the other games
>>338716721
But you're not a hunter to begin with... you're just some foreigner. All the different factions of hunters are either dead, a threat to you, malformed or residing in a nightmare. You're never inducted as a hunter, it's just assumed by the npcs and encouraged by Gerhman. Thought this was obvious.
>>338753902
Absolutely.
It'll be tough and you'll have to improve your dodging a lot, but it's possible.
You can't even parry most of the bosses in the game, so it's not like not having a gun would be a huge loss, just get a 2-handed weapon.
>>338753920
wow I sure am missing out all this glorious honourable gentlemanly combat pfft hahahaha
nigga you're letting the medieval thematic get too far up your head, stop roleplaying, this shit is as cringeworthy as Solaire memesters
>>338754085
>can use any of the ~26 weapon in BB for a pvp build
>only weapons you can use in DS3 is Yhorm's axe, gottards, estoc, and dark sword
>>338754291
Yeah I just started the game. I prefer strength focused builds and greatsword + greatshields in the Souls games, so I figured 2 handed was the way to go in Bloodborne. Been using the Hunter Axe but the Blood Starved Beast has been kicking my ass. Seems like a tricky fight for pure melee.
>>338754394
dont forget swordspear
>>338753764
I disagree but DS3 is shameful with it's build variety though. I give Bloodborne a pass because the game doesn't have as many problems as DS3 does.
>>338754621
Yeah, the BSB and Gascoigne fights are the ones that become considerable harder without a gun.
Just buy a shitton of antidotes and dodge like crazy.
>>338754346
>role playing
not at all, I just recognize that you're incapable of handling the chalice dungeons without being overleveled as fuck
>>338754394
Difference weapons =/= different build
In BB, youre either str, skill or a magic build...which even then you still are either a str or skill build.
>>338753000
From has never done a reveal like this.
Besides, Bloodborne shouldn't get a sequel, just like Dark Souls shouldn't have gotten 2.
>>338754873
In DS3, youre either str, skill or a magic build...which even then you still are either a str or skill build.
>>338753000
>mfw its real
>>338752536
I would have thought that was obvious. If people could invade you at 300 when you were 80 of course they would. That's not the case though and DeS duelers wanted to agree on a level to stop on together.
And the community most certainly decided on 120 for DeS and DS was not also 120 for the most by some coincidence, it was the same people so they kept the same meta. I don't really care about DS2 soul memory sort of aborted any attempt to stabilize things.
I don't recall implying any of that vaati shit. A tradition doesn't mean anything other than what it means which is that we keep using 120 because DeS used 120.
>>338752609
You could likely hit 200 fairly fast in BB with chalice farming. I just picked an arbitrary number though, no need to get too worried with it.
>>338754856
oh no a random anon on the internet doesn't recognize my success on the game's challenges because my parameters don't fit his asspulled set of criteria
now I'll be forced to beg From for forgiveness and have them revoke my hardcore gamer license.
>>338755031
>pure str
>pure dex
>pure magic, dont even need to touch str or dex
>faith build
>combinations
yeah no, DS3 has less build variety than 1 and 2, but still a shit ton more than BB
>>338754873
every weapon in BB changes the way you play
you don't need too many builds cause the game is gonna get unbalanced and this is very obvious in DS3
>>338755165
>I'll be forced to beg From for forgiveness and have them revoke my hardcore gamer license.
Can't revoke something you never had.
>>338755238
like a suriken huh?
cool
>>338755205
>>faith build
>DS3
>magic
>missing every spell and only using split melee damage
>combinations
>implying you can't be combinations in BB
Keep it up
>>338754224
I thought the contract you signed in the beginning was to be a Hunter? I mean it's stated by a blind man and every npc that can't initially see you that you have the smell of a Hunter.
>>338754856
On my first character without grinding I got to BL 150 just by leveling as I did the dungeons. Is it really being overleveled if Depth 4 and 5 dungeons give you a shit ton of Echoes to spend?
>>338755416
>Is it really being overleveled if Depth 4 and 5 dungeons give you a shit ton of Echoes to spend?
Yes.
It's perfectly acceptable on your first playthrough or if you're looking to have fun but when people act like certain mechanics are broken when they simply don't work at the meta pvp level is laughable.
>>338755350
>implying you cant use combination builds in BB
There is no reason too. DS3 actually has weapon scaling that goes around using both Dex and strength where its just needless to do in BB
I cant believe this is even being argued. BB has a lot of strengths, its variety in builds is not one of them.
>>338755456
>knife
>slightly longer knife
10/10
>>338755329
nah, I just don't have the knighthood award for honourable combat. I don't mind skipping that one.
>>338755575
I'm talking being overleveled for the dungeons themselves. Am I overleveled for the dungeons if I use the shit ton of echoes they give to level up?
>>338755605
>There is no reason too
so blooteletter that scales with bloodtinge and strenght , or moonlight sword that scales with str and arcane , or ludwigs sword that scales with skill and str are no reasons to fuse your stats?
You are a noob
>>338755796
>bandages on gun
for what purpose? he bandages on the weapons soak up blood for rally
>>338755827
yes but if you're just playing offline or pve it doesn't really matter. If you go over level 100 you're too high in my opinion.
>>338753000
I'd be really happy if a BB2 came out, but I have no idea how they would top BB
>>338755241
Even taking into account the double usage of trick weapons, there is still more variety in skill sets for all weapons in the souls games. Whether using those weapons is optimal is another matter.
Though in that case, its optimal to just use the starting trick weapon, cane, for the entirety of BB with a skill build.
>>338755905
I dunno about that
I don't know how one can be reasonably expected to beat the defiled chalice at that level
>>338755887
cushion the grip
>>338755238
This is one of the worst designs I've ever seen. Nothing about it makes any sense. It's like they took every Bloodborne weapon design element, threw them all into a blender, drank it, and then vomited to create that.
>>338755605
>there is no reason to
>MHB
>chikage
>bloodletter
>logarius wheel
>simon's bowblade
wew lad
>>338756008
you can beat the whole game with one weapon yes but each weapon works better or worse for each anemy and boss
also its what design of a weapon you like
>>338755985
They won't.
They'll copypaste the same mechanics, give it a new skin and call it a brand new game.
Only thing to be hype for is the lore.
>>338756070
I have done it multiple times, any person serious about pvp will have to because you need FRC gems for the best possible build and that requires you to beat defiled in the 90-100 range.
>>338756276
desu I was a bit let down by DaS2 and DaS3 (dlc might save it though) so I guess I would rather get that sci-fi game miyazaki wanted to work on than a direct sequel
>>338737046
>sonyfags being THIS delusional
you know
Im kinda happy that beast mode did not make you into a wolf furry
>>338756145
If you are arguing that you are basing the build around a specific weapon (which has much less variety considering the limited upgrade paths), you can apply that same argument to the weapons in the souls series, which there are simply a lot more of.
The sheer number of Items alone allow for a higher variety of builds.
>>338737441
This really. Only flaw in Fishing hamlet is those charging big enemies, which suffer from the same problem the pigs do in that they can just phase through certain terrain. I hated the library cause it was Duke's Archive again.
>>338756609
I'm not the guy you were arguing with, I merely called you out on saying there's no reason to do combination builds
I don't care what you can and can't do in DaS3
>basing a build around a specific weapon
is that not what builds are for? every build I've done in souls has been based around a weapon/spells if im going magic/faith
>>338756609
Not the guy you are responding to, but did you need a team to move those goalposts that far?
>>338756070
You can complete the chalices at LVL4 friendo.
SL100 is more than enough to stream roll it
>>338757092
I guess so. I guess I just have way too much trouble with that fucking dog. I've played this game like 6 times, and that fucking dog get's me everytime. The rest of the dungeon isn't even that bad. I love that Amygdala fight, moreso than the original, less terrain to get caught on.
>>338756906
The souls series has the potential for variety within a specific playthrough. Of course
you can choose to stick with a single weapon for the entirety of the game.
However the upgrade paths allow you customize weapons to fit within your desired build.
Don't like a weapons scaling? change it.
The "no reason for combination builds" was was probably unfair, though there is less reason.
>>338754394
And in DaS 3 you're either Quality or Quality, because any other physical build is bullshit because going quality makes it better.
>>338757449
You can change the scaling in BB though, at least for arcane. Not sure about bloodtinge
>>338758214
You can make str weapons scale skill with gems and the opposite, likewise
>>338757449
DS3 has more potential for variety in part due to there being a respec option, which BB is sorely missing in my opinion, but I feel the weapon differences in BB is more meaningful which makes stat placement more meaningful in turn. Sure you can be asinine and say that long swords and spears are really different, but the difference between BKS and a Flamberge is mearly whether you swing vertically or horizontal. Even the Moonlight Greatsword could be compared to Firelink Greatsword in that the weapon art just shoots out it's chosen element. In fact, most weapons can be differentiated solely on their weapon art. I'm not saying there aren't stand outs, but you know what you are getting when you equip a mace or a longsword. The weapons are even more homogenized by being able to change the scaling on most.
>>338738667
What is NG +?
>>338719748
Too bad you get it so late.
I love BB's weapons when compared to Dark Souls, but since each one is so different, spacing them out worked against the game.
>>338758438
Oh right
I wonder why there's not option. For bloodtinge? I guess it would be broken considering it scales off weapons too, hence why bloodtinge weapons either use HP or bullets as a resource
>>338758730
It ended up being far more viable to just stick with your first trick weapon.
Upgrading when possible, sticking with the threaded cane the entire game has no real downside aside from a lack of verity.
>>338755138
>>338755238
>>338755456
>>338755796
Fuck off Carl.
>>338756582
>kind of
i'm really happy
>>338758651
able to easily be finished at <BL100
>>338756582
What do you mean? Beast's Embrace turns you into a beast or am I missing what you mean by wolf furry.
>d-don't over level!
as if anyone will fucking listen to you faggots. don't be delusional
>>338758438
Correct me if Im wrong but aren't the str/skill scaling gems more for improvement rather than changing how a weapon scales?
The good ones are also found late in the game IIRC
>>338716479
>Not spoon fed
>There's literally in-game books that plot dump into you
>>338740098
Every individual weapon is pretty different. Two strength builds can feel pretty different depending on the weapons you can use, but the statistical builds are not varied. Bloodborne has fewer stats than any Souls game, and the vast majority of weapons are strength of skill focused. If you want to go Bloodtinge you've got like two or three weapons available to you, if you want to go arcane you've got about as many or less, because these two stats are mostly reserved for support, guns are bloodtinge and hunter tools are arcane, based a whole build around those provides you with very few options, and you have to pretty much complete the endgame level DLC to get some of the stuff that makes arcane worthwhile.
Like yeah, a strength build using the kirkhammer and a strength build using the amygalan arm might feel pretty different, but there's also no reason you can't just do both on one character, especially with no equip load to add an extra dimension to build construction. Both bloodtinge and arcane are better if you level them exclusively or almost exclusively so the builds on offer are pretty much pure strength, pure skill, quality, pure blood, pure arcane. There is literally one strength/blood weapon and no skill/arcane weapons.
Chalice dungeons add replay value in theory but the rewards aren't any good unless you play PVP a lot. The items you get in chalice dungeons pretty much go entirely toward doing more chalice dungeons, or getting crazy gems to minmax your weapons, and the actual construction of the dungeons is boring.
The game is also pretty linear. Like DaS3 there are a few optional areas you can do at pretty much any time, but they're self contained. The most the game branches is early on you can buy a key to get into an area right away, or go through another area first to sneak in through the back. If you want the route from start to finish through the game, it will always be the same, +/- upper cathedral ward, old yharnam, etc.
>>338756145
Not that guy, but I feel like a lot of diversity ends up being forced just because it's hard to get to weapons with the stats they use. For example, no one gives a shit about the Bloodletter or Chikage's 1H forms, but they'll take 25str/dex just to deal enough damage to get far enough in the game to get to them and then go pure bloodtinge which is all they really wanted.
Also a lot of weapons require heavy specialization, killing going multiple stats. For example, the MHB's arcane scaling is terrible and for it to be worth pumping you basically limit yourself to only 2 attacks on the weapon which also requires very specific gemming. Same with the wheel. Which is actually more variability than Dark Souls has on a single-weapon basis, but in exchange you're giving up chunks of that single weapon's moveset's viability to get decent damage on the moves you actually care about.
LHB and MHB are also straight up str/dex quality weapons, so there's that. Then again, I'm not sure how many people would really argue about quality being a good example of choice when it's straight up more damaging than any other options because there's little value in stats other than +health and +damage (just like Bloodborne). Dark Souls just ends up feeling more varied because there are so many more weapons, even if 90% of them and their options are trash.
>>338759246
I used to think BB was linear until my recent build went through nightmare frontier before even starting the forest
BB is not linear at all, the amount of areas you can go to before the game turns to night time is staggering, let alone when the blood moon comes down
>>338759431
>hmb
>skill
No, it's str/arcane
>>338755031
You can do strength, dex, quality, pure magic, pure faith, both of those, one of those with one of the other physical stats, pyromancy, luck builds, etc. There are more stats to invest in in dark souls, making decisions more split and making excessive multitasking difficult, as physical builds will likely need a respectable amount of stamina or equip, and all magic users need attunement. You have the choice to go shieldless or with a shield, you aren't restricted to guns or a small handful of gimmick items in your left hand, you can have more weapons equipped at a time, there are more spells.
Bloodborne has more weapon diversity and is more fun to play, but when people talk about builds, they're talking about how they build their character. Bloodborne just has less available in that regard. It's a fucking fact.And it's better for it, I'm tired of games bloating themselves with pointless options because being open-ended is the name of the game these days, especially when you balance your game so poorly that half of these options are trash.
goddamn the old hunters bosses are insane. I thought champion gundyr was one of the hardest bosses in the series, then I got this game. It took me like 30 attempts to beat ludwig. Failures and Maria aren't that hard but the old man is destroying me. I'm level 50 (30 vit-24 str 23 skill) and I'm using a saw cleaver +7, any tips?
>>338758730
>but since each one is so different, spacing them out worked against the game
This.
Most weapons show so late into the game that wasting your time getting used to them when you already had an upgraded weapons seemed like such a waste, at least during your first playthrough.
I stick with Saw Spear through the whole game, ocassionally using the Threaded Cane to fight mobs or bosses I didn't want to get close to.
>>338755847
You just listed like half of the fucking split stat weapons. Bloodletter is the ONLY strength/blood weapon. If you do a strength/blood build in Bloodborne you have one fucking option. If you do skill/blood you have like, three. Arcane builds also have like three weapons on offer. There are reasons to go quality with strength and skill, but anything else and you're going to be playing damn near the same character as everybody else who did that stat split.
>>338760205
You're pretty under levelled for the DLC.
>>338759628
I guess I should emphasize more on this post
The intended way:
>yharnam then cathedral ward then woods
What you can do before clearing cathedral ward and night time falling:
>Hemwick lane
>yharl gul with completely different enemies
>first half of lecture building
>nightmare frontier
>old yharnim, and thus abandoned church workshop
Things you can do after nightfall but before bloodmoon:
>everything before plus Cainhurst
There is also the dlc after nightfall despite it being designed to be a late game area, but I won't count that cause das3 doesn't have dlc yet
Das3 really doesn't compare
>another blood borne thread
here you go f a m:
>>>/vg/143218397
>>338760134
BB could have used a more fleshed out magic system and something akin to faith to allow for a larger build variety without adding 100 extra pointless weapons.
>>338760769
you already posted earlier dude
>>338753764
>>338754394
Cool senpai
>>338753000
if it does happen i hope it isnt a ps4 exclusive
>>338760205
You should be at least like 60 for the dlc, around 70 for the area after maria. But you're not far off
Also prepare your anus for the remaining bosses in the dlc
>>338760825
It's a Witchershill butthurt that even though they have a huge expansion coming up their game is still dead as ever
>>338758730
You can get BoM the second you meet Eileen in yharnim
>>338760931
Even if you don't like TW, how can you even claim the game is "dead", it sold incredibly well.
>>338760825
not him
but i'll point this thread in the correct direction
>>>/vg/143218397
>>338760838
Didn't you get BTFO for making this retarded list either yesterday or 2 days ago?
>>338761057
>sold=/=activity
The Division says hi.And I was talking about discussion related to /v/
>no super secret Slayer of Demons boss fight only found years after the release thanks to the stupid hard requirements to unlock it
>>338761002
Yeah, if you wanna farm 40k echoes.
>>338760838
Considering that two handing is literally all that changes for a weapons moveset in Souls and that Bloodborne has a different moveset for the tricked and untricked, you should really double the size of BB weapon movset list here and halve the DaS3 side's list
>>338761207
why would you expect that to happen if it never happened in a Souls game before
>>338761140
If by being called some arbitrary insults and ad homs equates to being BTFO then sure.
>>338761163
TW3 has very little replay value in comparison to the soulsborne games, its easy to see why its not talked about as much as everyone is already done it.
There will be a fuckton of threads with the expansions release, no doubt.
>>338761421
>There will be a fuckton of threads with the expansions release, no doubt.
For around 1 week, maybe.
>>338759628
Nightmare frontier doesn't go anywhere. It's a dead end with an amygdala boss fight that gives you a chalice. Cainhurst is a dead end with a covenant at the end. Hemwick is a dead end with a pretty important but still entirely optional item at the end. Early Hypogean Gaol doesn't let you do anything of substance, all you can do is pick up some items in comparative safety and leave. Fight Paarl if you want, it leads to the backside of another totally optional area, and the only way to get to the Gaol early is to have gone to that other optional area and killed the boss there already. Upper cathedral ward is also a dead end with two bosses and a chalice.
>>338761523
Right, because its a single player game entirely driven by story.
Soulsborne is almost entirely gameplay focused with a large variety in the way people handled the content. Its bound to have more long-term discussion.
>>338761764
>Soulsborne is almost entirely gameplay focused with a large variety in the way people handled the content. Its bound to have more long-term discussion.
You're implying that 99% of Bloodborne threads aren't Lore related. It's the benefits of not having a completely generic plot
>>338761402
Czesc, Mati.
>>338753068
>skill build
>strength build
>arcane build
>bloodtinge build
>a few weapons in every build
>EVERY BUILD IS ACTUALLY VIABLE IN PVP EXCEPT FOR LITERALLY JUST ONE
I am playing two build in Dark Souls 3 right now because the others are just not as good.
>>338761760
>dead end
What does it matter? Every optional area in souls leads to dead ends
Gameplay is gameplay, are you going to discount an entire area plus a boss because it doesn't progress the story?
>>338761382
Variety? Something new?
>only 35 weapons
did from software make this game?
id settle with 80 weapons to search and find across the map with the intent to get all of them but 35?
>>338762158
I'll take 35 viable weapon over 150 where 80% are garbage, especially if the 35 are 2 weapons in one
>>338761402
>being polish
>so upset about people not sharing your opinions you post a photo proving you own the games on 4chan
>being polish
>>338762051
Bloodborne has fewer builds but more balance. Dark Souls 3 has more builds but less balance. I won't fight you on that.
>>338762108
I'm saying the actual path through the game is linear. There are four or five offshoot paths on an otherwise straight line. I'm not complaining, I prefer linear games. Thinking about it, it does have more than Dark 3, Smouldering Lake, Consumed King's Garden, Archdragon Peak, and Untended Graves are like the only optional paths in that game, and three of them are all on the same branch right after Dancer. One of them is a reskin of the starting area.
>>338762240
i guess i can agree with that i just wanna know if its worth buying ps4
>>338762154
Pointless nitpicking more like.
>>338761402
DS3 above 1, Seriously?
DS1>DS3>BB=DeS>DS2
Dlc included in that.
>>338762158
Not even 35, try 25 and even then some of them don't have the trickster gimmick. Without the DLC that number shrinks down to a pathetic 15.
>>338762240
>80%
Over 50% of the weapons are completely unique in design and moveset. That alone puts the unique weapon count in DS3 significantly higher than that in BB.
>>338762403
I love the game and have at least 250 hours in it but I also have a ton of other games for my PS4 so I cannot say if it is worth it to buy a PS4 for this 1 game.
>>338762403
Even if its not the best souls game, and doesn't have the most variety, yes its still a great game and worth buying.
I don't understand why there so many BB vs Souls mouth foamers?
Am I the only one that loves both? You're allowed to do that you know. If you can't play one for whatever reason that's no reason to hate on it. Bloodborne combat is different enough from the main souls series that they can both stand on their own as great games.
>>338762403
>>338762572
Shit, I misread that, mb
No console is worth buying for one game.
>>338762457
>surrendering to your nostalgia this hard
meh
ds3 > ds1
>>338762403
Probably not, I'd wait for 4k to drop it's price. This is comming from someone who's top 10 games consist of BB
>>338762457
Anyone who has Vanilla DS1 over DS3 is fucking retarded. Vanilla DS1 was laughable, it had one good boss in the whole game. O&S and the final half of the game is terrible.
>>338762505
Too bad every weapon in Bloodborne shits over any and every weapon from Souls.
Ludwig's Holy Blade is better than any UGS in any Souls game, Kirks is better than any hammer weapon, or strength weapon for that matter, Blade of Mercy is infinitely better than any Dagger in Souls, Chikage better than any Katana, etc.
Even magic is better in Bloodborne.
>>338762562
I've learned the hard way that not a single platform is ever worth it for one game.
Regards, retard who bought a WiiU expecting more Monster Hunter ports and a 3DS expecting 4U to not be mediocre and X pure shit.
>>338762680
I think the majority of people who like souls enjoy bloodborne and visa versa.
Were just bitching about what each do better/worse than eachother.
>>338762403
I regretted buying the PS4 till I got Bloodborne.
I think it's worth it.
>>338762750
But that's completely wrong anon because my opinion > yours
>>338762702
If it was Nostalgia, i'd say DeS is the best.
DS3 has better level design and bosses than DS1, but the world in DS1 is so impressively made that I found it to be the better game.
>>338762505
50% is being very generous In terms of viability, even then the weapons are a lot more similar in das3
In BB every weapon is at least either viable, or fits a certain niche except maybe the cane
>>338762751
>Regards, retard who bought a WiiU expecting more Monster Hunter ports
I'm sorry anon
If you're interested in a PS4 at all check out some of the other less known games like it's Gravity Rush port and Tearaway Unfolded.
>people bringing up nostalgia
It's a Fromsoft game. The first game will wow you and the second will just feel like a souless rehash because they always copy 80% of tropes and references.
>>338762751
>tfw I was you
Having MonHun on 3DS and Wii-U made perfect sense. You can take it on the go, but if you're at home you can transfer your save and play on the TV with the tablet.
I was mad as heck when 4U didn't get a Wii-U port, since I actually don't own a 3DS.
Oh well, I got 350 hours out of it, then like 15 out of Nintendoland with friends, and probably 3 so far of Resident Evil Revelations.
I'll probably get atleast 30 out of Bayonetta 1/2 and another 8-10 from Pikmin 3, so it's not a total loss.
I love Bloodborne, but if you're going to deny that it has a lot of problems in presentation and you deny the large amounts of frame drops you're fucking delusional and a part of whats wrong with gaming.
It's like whenever I talk to someone about Pokemon X&Y and how it's inexcusable to have a game like that have drops in frames whatsoever. It's a fucking turn-based rpg with frame drops and people will defend THAT.
>>338763013
I'd love to try Bloodborne but the very reason I never owned an Xbox and won't get the PS4 is the jewry of having to pay to play online, even if the best part is always the singleplayer, invasions and co-op always make the game last longer.
Plus I remember DeS and DaS1 having really horrible connections on PS3 in my end.
I sure enjoy seeing videos of it, though.
Man the shadows of yharnam bosses were pretty easy, henryk and the madara twin guy distracted two of them while I soloed the katanafag, then I killed the one with the torch and we finally ganged up on the last one. Would've been annoying though to die to it since forbidden woods is a huge level.
>>338762971
>50% is being very generous In terms of viability
Viability in terms of what though? Because if we're going by PVE then i've yet to encounter a weapon that wasn't viable, if by PVP then the vast majority of weapons are very much viable. Heavy STR weapons have hyper armor, longswords have speed/DPS, Halbeards have range and speed (on top of a retardedly good weapon art).
If it's Viable =/= optimal then are you implying Ludwigs Holyblade isn't objectively the best PVE weapon?
>>338760876
sony owns the Bloodborne IP
this shit looks fake as fuck though
>>338760838
Is this supposed to be a joke? Ludwigs holy blade has over 30 moves
meanwhile these clowns have to act like 2 handing a weapon is even close to transforming a weapon
>>338763328
>those Amygdala animations
is this King's Field??
>>338763274
I kick their Nazgul asses alone.
They are ultra-easy, to the point that they show up as regular mooks later on.
It's just a matter of running around and killing the pyromancer faggot first.
>>338716479
its lore is basically a rip of Lovecraft stories, stop sucking Myazaki's dick.
>>338762680
PS4 owners just can't accept that BB is a little more forgiving and isn't as replayable as the Dark Souls games and insist their spin-off is the best in the series. That's really all there is to it. It's a good game it just lacks some diversity and replay value.
>>338763161
just turn off 3D effect
>>338763441
>Ludwigs holy blade has over 30 moves
Name them
>>338763287
Ya I meant pvp, as that's what most builds are used for
Pve you can do whatever the fuck you want
>>338763274
>Man the shadows of yharnam bosses were pretty easy
Yeah they are
>henryk and the madara twin guy distracted two of them
I hate to be THAT GUY, but you couldn't even summon NPCs on any bosses other than Cleric Beast and Blood-starved beast pre-DLC
>>338763538
pls play the game before shitposting:^)
I'm buying Bloodborne soon, and is The Old Hunters worth it? And how strong should I be before I go into it? And lastly, how do I activate it, without any spoilers please.
>>338762907
>interconnectivity meme
It's not nearly as "non-linear" as you make it out to be though. It's also half-empty in 70% of the areas and is basically the most unfinished souls game to date. Same goes for bosses. Even DS2 that was entirely scrapped at some point of the development felt more ready for a release. The only benefit that DS1 had was that it felt fresh. DS3 is basically a pretty safe sequel which is understandably less exciting than an entirely new game.
>>338763161
>Pokemon
Those people are a lost cause, just like those who buy CoD every year.
>>338763593
Didn't think so
>>338763501
I enjoy BB more than the rest of the series and I consider it the best. DS2 is the worst and I didn't love DS3 either.
I don't think Fromsoft is great at sequels and I wish we had gotten DeS DS (new ip) BB (new ip) instead of what we got.
>>338719748
BEAST CUTTER IS BEST CUTTER
>>338763560
>Ya I meant pvp, as that's what most builds are used for
In PVP a fuckload of weapons are viable, more weapons are viable in DS3 than there are total weapons in BB.
>>338763736
Hey watch your attitude, kiddo, I used to be like you, but you better bow first next time before engaging in a battle with me or you're getting added to the reddit list, then your life will be a real living hell, newfag:v)
>>338763161
The frame rate drops in bb are only ever close to pokemon xy in old yharnim, and even then they don't get that bad
>>338763538
Are you retarded?
http://bloodborne.wiki.fextralife.com/Ludwig's+Holy+Blade?responseToken=4e835d1bcc65bf90092d0bc9a48ef77e
moveset is there
>>338763035
Part of the issue is that when you've played these you know they can be sprinted through and more or less played as a boss rush game with helpful items you can grab.
On one hand, that's what keeps things from being too tedious for multiple playthroughs, on the other it sort of encourages people to take themselves out of the "experience".
>>338763758
Thats the saddest thing, is that FROMsoft has good ideas with Demons, Dark Souls, and Bloodborne, but they tried to make Dark Souls a "universe" which is why the sequels feel so uninspired.
The series is way more conducive to simple, complete narratives in fresh worlds every time. You can keep the references, have a patches, have a yurt, have a moonlight GS, just make them feel unique and interesting.
Dark Souls 2 and 3 feel like they were products of a contract, and feel completely uninspired.
>>338763670
The Old Hunters is worth it. You should do it around level 70, the item to trigger it is handed to you in the hub area once you get far enough in the game. It'll just be on the ground, messengers should give it to you like they give you your starting equipment. If you take the left door out of the safehouse right before cathedral ward (early in the game), an event here will take you to the area once you have the item.
>>338763830
I strongly disagree, at sl 120 in das3 I played about 20 hours of pvp, 85% (an estimate) of the weapons I saw were among the same 10
>>338763890
>13 moves
>not even half the "30" claimed
Seems like a standard DS3 weapon to me
>>338762750
>Even magic is better in Bloodborne.
I was going to disagree but then I remembered Blacksky Eye and A Call Beyond so now I'm not really sure about this.
>>338763670
absolutly yes
get the GOTY edition, it comes with it (EU/JP only, but shouldn't be a problem with EU since the console isn't region locked)
>>338764045
Nice anecdotal evidence, see: >>338763287
There's over 30+ weapons in the A/S "Viability" tier alone. Compare that to BBs stock 15 weapon count and it's not even hard to refute your claims
>>338764249
So you are retarded?
>>338764374
Not as much as you
>>338761978
She drops a badge that lets you buy it.
>>338764249
It isn't 30, and ludwig's was a dumb example on that guy's part because the straight sword moveset is the same as kirkhammer's (i think), but you do realize that weapons in bloodborne transform, right? The movesets for both forms are listed there. It's 26.
I'm a die hard fan of the series.
I love all the games.
I have played all the games more times than I can count.
I am currently on my 5th playthrough of DaSIII.
All that said.
BB is the superior game.
It was a fresh experience, had a better storyline (opinion), more interesting weapons and just had more fun shit to do.
>>338764482
>The movesets for both forms are listed there.
Literally a more in depth equivalent of two handing weapons in DS3.
DS3 has a nice balance between quality/quantity, Bloodborne does not
>>338764321
But then I have to import it and wait till June 20th to play. Does it add anything over just buying the DLC?
>>338722907
I thought this was obvious to everyone.
Bloodborne is the best game in the series. The only major thing that makes it worse that Dark Souls 1/2/3 is that you're forced to grind for healing items like in Demon's Souls, which is just a giant fucking waste of time and I can't really understand why they didn't just repeat the Estus system when there's literally nothing wrong with it.
>>338764541
Why bother having 10 different straight swords with nearly identical movesets. One is going to be the best. I just don't really see the point.
>>338764482
>weapons in Bloodborne transform
Once you realize that you can 2 hand or dual wield every weapon in Dark Souls this becomes moot.
>muh trick weapons have more moves
You get 2. 2 extra transforming attacks. Otherwise it's the same number as 1/2 handing or 1hand/dw.
>>338764458
go fucking kill yourself
wikipedia article alone shows you 26 different startups even if youre too retarded to read/ realize that things like the R1 combos have 3-4 moves each
pic related is you when you have to vehemently defend a multiplat everyone can play against factual evidence
>s-seems l-like s-s-standard dks3 w-weapons to m-me!1 h-heh
>>338764362
>your experience with a sample size doesn't count!
>here's a chart that a random anon made, it proves you wrong
>>338759727
Depends on which form you use, really. In both forms, the vast majority of its damage is physical (with the obvious exceptions of the L2 and beams). Despite its letter grades, it gets more damage per level of skill than arcane for all of its other attacks, meaning the arcane is only really worthwhile for pumping those two attacks.
This is also the fundamental area where the sword build matters. The 1H form is an excellent quality weapon that's essentially permanently enchanted with the empty phantasm shell buff and also does 2H levels of damage while being able to still parry. Arcane is garbage for this form, and it probably makes better use of 27.2% physical gems than anything else. Meanwhile, the 2H form is only really worthwhile for the L2 and beam damage, which means nourishing gems (and only nourishing because 27.2% arcane gems will absolutely kill the damage on every attack that isn't the L2 or beams instead of just gimping them) and pumping arcane. Both forms are actually very strong at what they do, but playing to those strengths will limit the effectiveness of the other form.
I'm a die hard fan of the series.
I love all the games.
I have played all the games more times than I can count.
I am currently on my 5th playthrough of DaSIII.
All that said.
DS3 is the superior game.
It felt like the "Best of Souls" (best bosses, OST etc), had the best bosses, most content per dollar (weapons/armor sets are more than every other vanilla Souls game), had a better storyline (opinion), a fantastic balance of weapon unique'ness and weapon count and just had more fun shit to do.
>>338764541
>Literally a more in depth equivalent of two handing weapons in DS3.
Except some trick weapons are completely different in trick mode
see: Bowblade, kirkhammer, church pick, blades of mercy, etc
>>338764541
You know reading this post I found myself nodding in agreement *upvotes*, I really think this has gone on far enough, so I think it'd be best to close this thread (if it's okay with the mods, they're so cool)
I think this has been discussed enough, and it's very clear to me personally who's in the right here. Is it okay if I link to your posts in the future if I need to argue the same point?
>>338764461
Oh you meant farming the souls for it? Just sell the doll set for a fuck ton of souls or save up
>>338764641
>Why bother having 10 different straight swords with nearly identical movesets.
Role play potential, aesthetics. Better answer would be, why not.
>>338764685
You seem triggered anon. Don't worry, i'm sure Bloodborne won't go down the same path as Demon Souls did when Dark Souls 1 came out (in that it became completely irrelevant).
It might look like it is but i-it might not!:^)
>>338764541
>>338764663
Yeah, it's more in-depth, I'm not gonna say it's double the moves compares to a souls weapon moveset, but two-handing weapons in Souls games changes some swings, swing speeds, and damage dealt, whereas transforming weapons in bloodborne changes several more properties, including the size and shape of the weapon. In Ludwig's case, the entire damage type changes. The straight sword is mostly slash with some thrust attacks, the transformed greatsword isn't sharp and does strike damage, with some thrust attacks, on top of being larger now, and with a more substantial change in swing speed.
>>338764831
nice bait
>>338764867
NO STOP ANON THEY'RE ALREADY DEAD
>das3 fags actually arguing that 2 handing is equivalent to trick weapons
Holy kek
>>338765021
Can you blame them? They've never played Bloodborne.
>>338764867
>>338764964
>1 minute and 3 seconds between each post
This is just pathetic.
>>338764541
This actually sums it up quite fucking well. Most Bloodbornebabbies won't agree but then again, most Bloodbornebabbies are insecure.
Bloodbornes weapons P4P are better than any one Souls weapon (aside from maybe some gimmick weapons like Farron etc) but Dark Souls 3 has a significantly better balance of quality and quantity.
>>338764894
So you're saying buy the base game and the DLC? Though, the GOTY edition has a pretty sweet case...
>>338765232
game boxes that say "game of the year" on them always look so pathetic. The art is nicer, but come on.
>>338765232
either works really, you save more money with GOTY edition unless if the shipping costs exeed the base game plus DLC
oh I guess if you want to let others borrow it, they won't have to buy the dlc
>>338764867
>why not?
Item bloat is a real thing.
In Demon's Souls there were "best in class" weapons. A Knightsword was strictly better than a Longsword and had the same moveset, at the cost of a little more equip burden. So once you knew that, the other weapons were basically worthless. The Great Axe shits all over the Dozer and Crescent Axes, etc.
Dark Souls added -more- but when you're adding more it all feels extraneous. Whats the point of having 15 different longswords that have a different R2? It's worthless in the grand scheme.
I think that's why Bloodborne was so much more interesting. They threw that garbage out and had like a dozen weapons that felt unique and viable.
Sure, there are "variants" but those are chalice dungeon exclusives and basically strictly for min/maxing.
the biggest problem with DaS3's moveset compared to BB's is that you can't switch between one/two hand whenever, you are either in one form or the other
every BB weapon has an attack that combos into one form or the other
>>338765021
>22:52:22
>>338765149
>22:53:53
Souls sequels are a mistake. It's no wonder that lore discussions (maybe even discussions in general) for DS3 are anemic as fuck compared to past games, including BB.
DS3 was comfort food. Good game but about as exciting as the act of brushing your teeth.
>>338765506
not even me anon, you fucked up
>>338764541
>DS3 has a nice balance between quality/quantity, Bloodborne does not
There's easily over 100 weapons in Dark Souls 3 and only a little over a dozen of them are viable and most of their movesets are just variants of the one relegated to the weapon-type. I'd hardly call that a careful balance between quality and quantity. If nothing else, the one thing they did right in Bloodborne's design was not overloading the game with completely fucking useless weapons like they've done in literally all the Souls games.
Yeah, there's significantly fewer weapons in Bloodborne, but at least they're all viable and they don't just follow a formula of incremental upgrades across a series of basic weapon-types.
>>338738618
I don't think the chikage can be buffed aside from beast pellets
>>338765473
>Item bloat is a real thing.
I don't see how weapons you don't plan to use/existing to allow some anon to cosplay as a character/better his Role Playing experience in this RPG is somehow a negative, seems like nothing more than straw grasping to me.
>I think that's why Bloodborne was so much more interesting
If this was the case Dark Souls 3 wouldn't be completely buttfucking Bloodbornes sales/relevance even on the PS4.
>>338765645
>brushing your teeth
>>338765496
I don't know that I want a Bloodborne 2, but if they do, I hope they take this a step forward and also include total weapon switch attacks. Like a transform attack-esque thing comes out when I change from my cane to my axe in the middle of attacking. I'd forgive only two equippable weapons if they did this.
>>338765737
>anime retard doesnt understand
color me surprised
>>338765710
if all of the DS variations with the same movesets then do we get to count lost / uncanny versions of weapons?
>>338765710
>little over a dozen
Stopped reading
See: >>338763287
Tell me which one of the 30+ weapons in the A/S tier is not viable in PVP or PVE. Go on, i'll wait. You need to differentiate your lack of skill with weapons and their viability in PVP.
>>338765719
They mean the bloodmode buff. Chikage does tons of damage when transformed if you have high bloodtinge.
>>338765856
>green texting ad hominem fag has no argument
color me surprised
>>338765737
>Dark Souls 3 wouldn't be completely buttfucking Bloodbornes sales on ps4
source?
>relevance
das3 just fucking came out and still has dlc
retarded animefag
>>338764663
>2 extra moves
>transforming & untransforming attack, running r2's, transform & untransforming r1 special attack, dash back attack, side-dash attack, unlocked roll attack
>2 extra moves
Lmao
>>338765895
you keep going back to this chart you made, what's your reasoning? why should i trust your chart?
>>338765859
So X the weapons in Bloodborne X3, you're still left with significantly fewer weapons.
When theres 15 fucking longswords that are fundamentally the same, theres still 5x more than in Bloodborne.
I don't even like Bloodborne that much, but at least Bloodborne's weapons all felt like they had a purpose. When I go through the world and find "Straight Sword Hilt", I think, why did they make this, why even put it here? Keep in mind you start Dark Souls with a fucking Broken Straight Sword, which is effectively the same thing.
2 identical, worthless weapons.
>>338766025
like I said earlier, they don't know any better because they haven't played it
>>338765978
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/85669/dark-souls-iii/
>DS3
>Been out for a month
>1.22 million sales
http://www.vgchartz.com/game/82937/bloodborne/
>Bloodborne
>Been out for over a year
>2 million sales
>selling worse than Splatoon
http://time.com/4297447/dark-souls-3-sales/
It's the fastest selling Souls game to date
>>338765975
and apparently youve presented arguments? your retarded shit gets blown the fuck out in these threads every time
>m-muh balance and quantity ;(
>>338766090
Why can't you tell me which one of the weapons in said chart (A/S tier) is not viable?
And don't just name drop weapons you haven't used, explain what makes them not viable.
>>338766208
>blown the fuck out every time
Keep saying it anon, one day it might become true.
>>338725620
This. I'd just run up to them, R1, R1, R1, they'd start to get mad and I'd be full charging R2 and that would lay them out.
>>338766190
>mentioning splatoon
now it all makes sense
show me on the doll where Sony touched you
>>338766295
>lol these reskins are great content because im an easy to impress retard :) quantity+quality!!!!11
>>338766190
so you
1. not only admit BB has sold more on PS4
2. use vgchartz as your source
3. proclaim you're somehow victorious with that gif
but you also have the gal to call BB selling less than splatoon, one of the highest selling, if not highest selling exclusive games this generation?
I'd stop posting if I were you, this is really embarrassing
for the record, a majority of a game's sales are in the first few weeks
>>338766295
Why does anyone have to disprove your chart? You believe it anyway, nobody's going to change your mind. You brought the chart up, tell me why those weapons are all good and don't overlap in function with other weapons of similar quality.
>>338766391
>where Sony touched me
I own a PS4+PC senpai, Wii U is a piece of shit and FFXV is going to render every game this year obsolete anyway :^)single platform cuck
>>338766295
why should I bother? you'll just post with an anime picture saying I'm wrong despite me already presenting a sample group>>338764045
>>338766295
You're the one starting with the claim that they're all viable, the burden of proof lies on you, retard. A chart that just says "these are viable" doesn't fucking prove anything.
>>338766523
I own a PS4 and Xbox One, and a 5K iMac which could run games if I installed Windows 10 on it, but frankly I don't care to play PC games anymore.
Why would you mention Splatoon?
>>338766636
>iMac
Opinion dismissed.
>>338766190
>get called out for source
>posts source showing you're wrong
>act like you are correct
let me guess, you also think games uphold their sales a month after release?
>>338766704
>he doesn't own a 5120x2880 display
I feel sorry for you anon
>>338766456
>but you also have the gal to call BB selling less than splatoon, one of the highest selling, if not highest selling exclusive games this generation?
Uncharted 4 has sold more than Bloodborne in a few weeks that Bloodborne has sold in a year. Uncharted 4 has over 2 million sales.
Here's another source
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2016/04/18/uk-sales-chart-dark-souls-3-sets-new-franchise-record-sells-71-copies-ps4/
>Dark Souls 3 Sets New Franchise Record
Sorry senpai, but even Sonyfriends prefer DS3 to BB
It's still hilarious how Simon's Bowblade puts bowcombat in proper Souls games to shame. Like, that fucking game that doesn't even have a weapon category like that does it better somehow.
>>338765737
>If this was the case Dark Souls 3 wouldn't be completely buttfucking Bloodbornes sales/relevance even on the PS4.
A game's sales are only reflective on the quality of it's predecessors. If anything, Dark Souls 3's sales show how much people enjoyed Bloodborne to give the sequel a try. Until we get a next instalment in the soul series that trumps Dark Souls 3's, then this point is moot. And bloodborne remains the most sales affecting games in the series.
>>338765737
No shit Dark Souls 3 is selling more than Bloodborne did, it's a fucking multiplat.
>>338766752
I'd rather not get cucked by the most jewish company ever.
>>338766510
>>338766542
>>338766418
>>338766578
Didn't think so.
>>338766764
>Dark Souls 3 Sets New Franchise Record
counting all 3 consoles yeah, not counting just the ps4
>uncharted 4 sells more than BB on ps4
yeah, it sells more on ps4 too
you've proved nothing
BTW we're all still waiting for your reasoning on the chart, get to it or admit you're wrong
Why didn't they release the GOTY version in the US? Did it not sell well enough?
Why didn't they release the GOTY version in the US? Did it not sell well enough?
>>338766806
if this were real then that would mean they have a time machine
Why are people who use anime reaction images always, without fail, complete faggots?
>>338766857
>>338766916
so you admit you're wrong? thank you, you may leave the thread now
>>338766857
The "post smug anime girls while having unwarranted overconfidence in my own opinion" meme needs to die.
>>338766781
>make a balanced Skill/Bloodtinge build on first playthrough
>beat the game
>forgot about Bowblade's existence
I feel like I missed the entire point of my own character.
>>338766916
*uncharted sells more than das3 on ps4 too
>>338747809
So...the firmaments, then?
According to the Genesis creation narrative, God created the firmament to separate the "waters above" the earth from the "waters below" the earth.
Genesis 1:6-8
>>338766142
Ha, never knew that fucker hit so hard. I never got hit by him.
>>338766930
amerilards dont walk into the stores to buy physical media anymore
>>338766857
reported, have fun eating cheetos with teary hands when your only outlet bans you too
cant even be bothered to tell you exactly why youre retarded for being a 9gag tier furry anime mememaster, but your "facts" about how 30 longswords with the same moveset means each one of them is "viable" even if there are 3 best ones when even fists are a viable way to play souls games
tl;dr: the anime retard doesnt understand, but that already shows from praising DKS3- was it your first souls game? Everyone who actually knows anything about the series and has played through the games understands its a shameless rehash with zero innovation, wouldnt feel out of place as a DKS1 expansion pack
pic related is you
Man I really enjoyed this thread since I only started playing bloodborne this month. Think I'll make another since it's autosaging already.
>>338760838
>One handed Backstep R2
>Two handed Backstep R2
>One handed rolling R2
>Two handed rolling R2
These are the same move as just a regular R2
>Weapon art R1
>Weapon art R2
Most weapons don't have a secondary weapon art function
>R1/R2 after weapon art
These are literally the same as just a regular R1 or R2 for the vast majority of weapons. The only exceptions are shit like stomp or warcry
>>338747809
>>338767205
Fucking everything is the cosmos now?
What's next? The earth is the cosmos too?
>>338767406
yes please, I just started my beast claw build and I'd like more serious discussions
>>338766976
People can program games from the Dreamcast, you know that right?
>>338766843
I got it for less than the price of Dell's 5K monitor
in general I agree with you though anon
>>338767460
You are the cosmos.
>>338767274
>couldn't answer a simple question (naming just 1 viable weapon out of the 30+ weapons in A/S tier listings)
>resorts to insults and memes
Not even surprised. Dark Souls 3s weapons are more viable, more unique and more plentiful than Bloodborne and its DLC combined.
Your game was unfinished and is now irrelevant. DS3 will take the spot light just like DS1 did to Demon Souls. Stay cucked :^)
>>338765651
>MS paint
