Why is it so hard to find a good MMORPG? Why can't anyone get it right?
>Game tries to copy WoW in every aspect, fails because everyone would rather just play WoW or not at all
>Game ends up being practically a singleplayer game with a "chosen one" main story quest; other players might as well not even be there
>Game starts out looking promising, devs are telling players everything they want to hear, but then some higher ups in the company panic and dumb it down into an incredibly barebones pile of rancid shit with a cash shop
Is this what hell looks like? To have this insatiable craving for a game that's never going to be fulfilled?
>>338625040
MMORPGs were never good
>>338625293
Th-that's not true
>>338625040
just wait till chronicles of elyria
at which point give up or restore hope
Sissy healerboys, ww@?
>>338626543
atleast they are still making games for your genre
I think Dark Souls is at least satisfying my PvP needs for now. but I want something like Wizadry again.
>PSO2 is my ideal MMO
>no official western release
>English patch is full of weebs, degenerates, and meme lords
>>338626585
>just wait till arche age
>j-just wait till blade and soul
How about nope?
>>338625040
Lucina?
>>338625040
The primary appeal of MMOs is interaction with other players
All MMOs now make accommodations for solo players and have a framework in place that removes the need for interacting with other players.
Ako a shit
I want to piss in Ako's butt
>>338627184
>oink oink oink
http://www.aq.com/
>>338625040
MMOs will never be good, because the players and the publisher/devs are different from each other and want different things.
Publisher wants your shekels and doesn't care about what player wants.
Developers probably want to make a nice game with cool features, the problem is either the publisher or players don't like it and want to dumb it down or change it, so it's not what the devs intended in the end.
Players themselves are different as well, some want to wreck other people in PVP, others are PVE carebears and then there are RP or ERP faggots.
Some players want to quest to max lvl, others want to grind or craft to max lvl, some want it to be slow some want it to be fast.
Good players want challenge, bad players want it to be easy.
Also people always exploit the system, using bots, buying gold or plvl, cheating, using exploits or become elitist assholes in order to become the best on the server.
This kills the fun for everyone in the end.
>>338625293
Y-yes they w-were
>>338625040
Maybe Lineage Eternal will be good. Stranger things have happened, right?
Well, maybe not.
>>338627491
If they didn't lock so much cool stuff behind a paywall id prob still be playing, even when I was 13 I saw the ruse.
Mfw the last remotely fun mmorpg I played was lineage 2 but ncsoft had to screw it up after all those years and there is no sign of a new lineage 3.
>>338628981
In an otherwise free game with no ads, what is wrong with paying for content?
I feel like the golden age for MMOs are over. People don't have the attention span or commitment for a proper MMO experience anymore and those that do are so few and far between that the game couldn't sustain itself for the amount of content needed to actually be considered good.
People are spoiled by long running MMO franchises which have a decade of tuning, they don't/won't have the patience for a new upstart MMO that's lacking content and full of grinding.
Personally after about 6 years of WoW I never want to touch an MMO again. The formula is inherently broken and prioritizes grinding and stringing the player along over fun and engaging gameplay.
>>338629636
Additionally the explosion of game-specific wikis has take a huge dump on MMOs and any community or exploration based experience. Knowing exactly where to go and what to do turns those games into a chore. Sure you're not forced to use a wiki but you end up at a pretty big disadvantage if you don't in most cases.
Because it's impossible to please both the casual and hardcore players at the same time. Casuals are going to want more accessible content, hardcore players want bigger and better raids and bosses, both are going to want sick purpz with the biggest of numbers and someone is going to be pissed that their purpz aren't as good as the other guys.
And of course
>>338625293
>>338629636
>I feel like the golden age for MMOs are over.
You don't say? Watch out people, we have a genius over there. Guy's thoughts are fucking revolutionary!
>>338630051
Clearly not everyone shares that opinion: hence why this thread even exists.
>blaming the players
The formula for success is there, just no developer wants to fucking use it. It's safer to make a cash grab with a trailer full of lies, abandon it, and move on to the next project.
WoW private servers get enormous amounts of traffic despite Blizzard's insistence that "You think you want it, but you don't."
>>338625040
MMO's with potions are the best
>>338625040
You should play Old School Runescape, if you can get past the graphics i still think it is a fanstastic one of a kind MMORPG
>>338630580
>women smiling alone with potions.jpg
How long did FFXIV2 last? Nine months? I've seen all irc and the major boards here and outside talking about it until a couple months ago, someone is still asperging over raids and shit, but the bulk of the buzz is gone for good seems to me like.
The 'golden age' of MMOs isn't over. There hasn't been a legitimately good MMO that didn't immediately get fucked by cash grab bullshit released in a decade. As soon as one does get released, it will blow up. If Blizzard releases Vanilla servers, it will prove this.
>>338625040
MMORPGs are too big of an investment and they are tied down when making it so it won't work.
>>338630951
WoW is an anomaly, people are getting clingier to their dollar, and confused by the loads of shit we've been getting for years. The only safe haven they have is WoW, and even that has been tarnished. No wonder a vanilla re-release would get them to come back.
>>338630580new fiona's face is so much better and I'm glad they got rid of that creepy ass smile
>>338625040
>tfw the best MMOs are shitty browser games
Damn
>>338630951
>If Blizzard releases Vanilla servers, it will prove this.
nah not really. Most people have played vanilla wow. Some nostalgia fags would try it out and get bored after a while and likely go back to their main accounts. I'm sure they could keep a couple hundred thousand subs though.
>>338631130Korea can still do the smile by just typing +huhu in chat
I was tricked into thinking Tree of Savior was going to be good.
>>338625040
>>Game starts out looking promising, devs are telling players everything they want to hear, but then some higher ups in the company panic and dumb it down into an incredibly barebones pile of rancid shit with a cash shop
This is ArcheAge and BDO, fuck I'm sad now, thanks for reminding me.
I am still refusing to log on to or play BDO until they fix musa, and by fix I mean make it pvp viable. Or until ninja is out, but they will probably fuck that up too.
>>338631223
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>>338626772
i don't want to burst your bubble but that'd literally be the official english release of PSO2 anyway
>>338631264
That was probably my fault. I'm pretty sure I convinced half of 4chan it'd be good.
How long will it take people to realize? MMO are universally shit. There is no good ones, there will never be a good one, stop falling for hype.
ESO is ok.
I gave up on it at first because the lack of world pvp is bullshit, and it fits into the second category with a singleplayer story so far, and all the dlc is bullshit, and you can only hotbar 5 skills at a time, but aside from all that it's actually pretty shit, nevermind.
>tfw been playing most if not all mmos since eq1
>tfw all those wasted hours with the shit ones
>tfw all the good ones that could have done well but got shut down predominately
>tfw you still have people call every new game "the wow killer" even years after that stopped being relevant
At this point all I really have is doing transmog runs in WoW and hating myself on DFO. I knew from the first hour of playing BDO and Archeage that they'd both be shit. People are still retarded enough to fall for hype even years after all the shit ones that fucked up like the Tortanic.
>mfw tried to warn others about new games coming out that are either going to die out within a month or end up being shit but people never learn
>>338630870
People are waiting on 3.3
They're taking their sweet time with it
>>338632237
It's out in two weeks.
>>338625040
I want to drink Ako's piss
>>338632292
Thank fuck
Midas is fun, but I'm sick of it
The ideal MMO is right fuckin here baby
COME HOME WHITE MAN
Oldschool Runescape
>>338632313
What kind of tea do they have that tastes anything like piss
>>338632313
the fuck is the sauce of this?!
>>338632480
>old school
into the trash
![cu-ui-kit-1800[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/t8ubLv8.jpg "cu-ui-kit-1800[1].jpg")
Camelot Unchained is the absolute last shot from all the MMOs currently in development and if we go by Mark Jacobs' track record it's probably going to be rushed and disappointing.
>>338632578
Go away EOCbabby
>>338627184
she's the fucking ugliest out of the entire cast
stop giving her screentime
>>338632527
Never drank piss so I don't know, but when I was in Japan I used these vending machines and boy some stuff tastes like I imagine piss would.
>>338632602
It already looks disappointing.
>>338632549
it's a cute anime about video games, especially MMOs
>>338632643
>muh GE
>can't even nostalgiababb properly
kek
>>338632695
>pig
>ugly
faggot, all girls are great
>>338632773
>Netoge
Ah, so Netoge no Yome wa Onnanoko ja Nai to Omotta. Thanks.
>>338632527
That's all tea, Bongsworth. Non cucks drink coffee.
>>338632837
Don't you have some cosmetics to buy? Good goy, farm those daily quests!
>>338630580
This MMO had the potential.
>Difficult
>Required teamwork but not so extensively that it's required aside from kraken
>potential to solo if you're good enough
>fun and challenging bosses
>filled with people willing to learn and just have fun
Everything started going downhill after episode 10
>insanely rare drops are the only way to gear up to 70 gear for a few months
>bosses that weren't designed with the characters in mind so two of the four characters were useless
>Kai release in general
I don't even need to get started on season 2.
Even though season 3 fixed a lot of the problems it also presented a newer problem of the fact that it was too easy to get relatively good gear.You could get a pretty good set of 90 gear for less than a set of 60 gear
There are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who unironically waifu swine.
>>338632865
>short twintails, so it takes away from her hair
>worst eye color
>flat
>annoying
she's the shittiest of the bunch, but they all collectively suck because of the animator's shitty decision to give them those ugly lips
>>338632930
>implying I play either "game"
top kek. enjoy your retarded grind and muh pking
>>338632876
yes, happy fapping
>City of X got cancelled despite being profitable in order to make yet another Gook Grinding Game
>SWG got cancelled despite being profitable in order to make TOR
tbqh it's the devs own fault MMOs suck.
>mmo thread
>turns into waifu anime shit
I fucking hate you all
>>338625040
Better question yet why is it so hard to find a good guild/party in an MMO?
>>338632915
ur cheeky m8
How can anybody like autist-chan? If she were a man she'd be obese neckbeardor superlanky skeletonand the only reason why people like her is because autists are attracted to other autists and moe uguu faces. True bets girl isteacher
>>338633136
>waifu anime shit
but this is all related to MMOs, anon
>>338633137
Try and find a small guild
I got lucky and found one with six people, we've recruited some new players since then and it's pretty comfy
>>338633137
Because people don't want to party in MMO's anymore. The social aspect is dead anon.
conflict of design
the "dream MMO" everyone seems to talk about, that all these anime get made about, seems to be some kind of sandbox where players are in charge of everything, like it was real life
however anything resembling thatt stopped being made a decade ago because the diablo-style ever-increasing numbers themepark MMO became popular, such as WoW
and then it's what >>338629991 said
people are attracted to the linear themepark model with ever-increasing numbers because it has a clear goal and making your numbers bigger and bigger has a certain addictive effect on the brain
and honestly? I think part of it is just that people don't have the patience for grinding anymore
that's part of the reason assfaggots have taken off so hard, it's MMO-style PvP without the grinding
>>338632602
I absolutely fucking loved DAoC and I was initially super hyped for Camelot Unchained, but I feel like it's TOO PvP focused and I'm not sure how on board I am with that.
>>338627184
Except when MMOs require parties, the commuity alienates new players who don't already have groups/friends.
It wasn't like back in the day where you could just meet people in town and they would waste their whole day helping out a stranger. Most people nowadays just stay in their guild chats and kill newbies
>>338627598
This guy nailed it.
>>338633257
>no talk about the mechanic or trinity
>no dungeon or story time
>no bad guild drama
>I WANT TO DRINK MY LOLI WAIFU PISS
Fuck off
>>338633212
Crunchyroll's garbage translation and inserting western shit in it
>ha ha she said normie nice maymay xd
>>338633074
How does it feel that they are using the corpse of the CoX server to serve Guild Wars 2?
>>338633502
>this
>loli
what is wrong with you, anon
>>338631427
Sad truth, you're right. Some other anon bummed me out by saying if they ever released "the world" it'd be the same.
>>338633520
Normalfag is a perfectly appropriate translation of riajuu
If you want some disgusting localization try the dub
>>338633398
I have the feeling that the expansive concepts with the custom ability system, physics based spell system, fully destructible buildings, dynamic overworld with underground depths PvEPvP to get to the resource mines, 30 classes, a deep crafting system all with decent animations, spell and sound effects is just impossible to realize and they are either way overselling their finished product or will never be able to finish the game they are talking about within their lifetime and certainly not within their budget.
It's really sad, but right now everything sounds too good to be true and probably is.
>>338633317
>people are attracted to the linear themepark model with ever-increasing numbers because it has a clear goal and making your numbers bigger and bigger has a certain addictive effect on the brain
People are not, man. The only reason these MMOs get made is because the developers think that's what everyone wants, solely because that's what WoW has turned into and it's still big.
They get players because people are starved for an MMO and like battered housewives get themselves hyped for the next big thing, because it will surely be different.
It's also the reason these MMOs fucking die in a few months and everyone forgets about it.
If the masses actually wanted the new games to be like that, and indeed it was a formula for success, the games would not fade into obscurity so quickly.
A: The social community of the internet circa 2007 DO NOT EXIST ANYMORE
they won't come back, they never will, you will not replicate them with your "hardcore" game, or your UO clone, or whatever. Won't happen. They're all grown up and either moved on, or are playing with cliques they established a fucking decade ago. Along with the fresh blood that also plays with their established facebook friends.
B:Lack of content. you can't release a game with less content than WoW and expect people to play it, much less pay for it. I'm not gonna spend $60 + 15 a month to play two hours a week when I can do tons of shit on lockout in WoW, and even FFXIV is getting there, but not enough to make me want to resub though. "but you can't just have all that content in a game, it takes time!"
not my fucking problem. If you can't beat your competitors in volume, you better do it in quality. Maybe someone will give a fuck about the quality. Not me though.
C:Gameplay is fine, you're just a retard who has too high of hopes for a game that needs to have fairly balanced multiplayer aspects. Go play maplestory. Literally perfect gameplay in every regard.
>>338625040
Yes. The MMO genre is a stagnant cesspool that will never improve. Making them is too expensive, and the only ones that sell are shitty grindfest WoW clones.
>>338633656
IT HURTS
>>338633458
So much this. I remember constantly being helped out by higher level players back in the day in thing like EQ and DAoC. People were happy to do stuff like that because they knew you couldn't just run people off.
Now with shit like WoW, newer players are almost always alienated. You're expected to know all of the mechanics for something regardless of if you've even experienced it before. I was basically the top of the food chain in WoW for so long that I got bored with it. I found out that you can still find some nice community-oriented MMOs, but you have to look really fucking hard and it's still hardly worth it.
>>338631264
I feel ya brother
>Spent childhood playing shitty corean grindfests.
>ToS is going to be like RO, but BETTER
>No matter what class you pick, unless you want to be gimped for endgame (of which there is basically only camping world bosses and GvG) you're going to be stuck with ~5 spells till level 120
And they somehow made the costumes shittier than old RO.
>>338633775
I saw the dub of the bar scene in the first episode, the male VA's were alright but then the woman comes on and everything shit's itself
>>338633270
I've found a small guild once in WoW and it was a really good one. The guys were really friendly, the leader was a girl, but no one really cared, there was no whiteknighting or shit like that. We were just a group of online buddies.
Though in XIV I've had no such luck. All the FCs I've joined were absolute shit.
>Boyfriend and girlfriend are the leaders
>No one gives a fuck about the boyfriend
>Everyone constantly talks to the girl
>Even when I or someone else wants to strike up a conversation or ask something related to the game
>No one responds most of the time since they already have their own circle of friends
>Other FC was also run by a "girl" which had like 20 people
>Literally no one talked at all when she was offline
>Even when I said hi no one gave a fuck
>When the "girl" came online everyone would start talking to her, praising her and shit
>I get kicked out after a few days
>>338627598
>>338633487
MMOs are shit because they have cancer built into their core. Traditional videogames are built around entertainment and fun, they already got your money upfront when you paid for it and the only extra thing they can get from you is saying you played a damn good game. MMOs are built for maximising the amount of time you play, and that core ideology is what all of the game's design is built on. It is what shit like "dailies" come from. It is why the game teases you with better gear you'll be able to put on once you grind a few more hours, thus withholding fun from you as a promise of something you'll get, not right now tho, no, you'll get the fun once you put some more hours in.
MMOs are not built around you having fun. They're built around you wasting all of your free time doing very boring gameplay that will one day reward you with prettier gear.
>>338634169
jesus christ, is this Vindictus
MMOs are the ultimate in
>You can do everything!
When in reality it ends up as
>You can do nothing.
My personal gripe is when open world PvP declined and some developers wouldn't even let PvP happen outside of arenas, it's no wonder that those players all left.
At the very least make sections of the map PvP with valuable resources. Nothing got my blood pumping faster than the tension as three groups wait for a specific mob in an open-pvp server or when I see another ship appear on D-scan as I'm doing sites in lowsec.
>>338634215
What server are you on, m8
>>338634169
I'm disappointed they didn't kept the male characters for when they play online. It would have made the anime somewhat interesting.
>>338634376
Behemoth.
>>338625040
Just don't play theme park mmos
Play EVE or something
>>338634437
Ah, shame. We're on Midgard
>>338634263
Some years ago when our boi Holden was still playing
>>338625040
Netoge is a stupid fucking show, but it's so feel-good that I can't stop watching it.
I do get this feeling of nostalgia when watching towards WoW; that shit was literally the perfect MMO when Wrath of the Lich King dropped, then Cataclysm hit, and appropriately enough, everything went to hell. The problem with MMOs I think is that it's harder nowadays more than ever to maintain player interest when you got so much competition with Facebook, Myspace, Twitter, etc.; WoW was probably one of the original social networks for many players to contact friends online and have fun with them, but ever since Facebook dropped, the cheaper option would be just to take selfies and play Yahtzee - online console gaming had some part in this, but not a whole lot since consoles themselves had a price barrier too and not a whole lot could match with WoW's level of interaction.
I don't think we'll ever get a good WotLK-tier MMORPG ever again since there's more a reliance on short-term interests and profits in vidya nowadays rather than long-term investments, but it's always nice to go back and remember the good times you had with WoW. Hopefully some ex-Blizzard devs or some City of Heroes dudes get together to make something simple and pure again.And hopefully it's sci-fi-themed, I love that shit the most.
I don't think we are going to see a good MMO until devs realize that they need to stop catering to a broad audience but design their game in an extremely limited scope targeting a niche crowd and doing one single thing very well.
More like an evolution of what Rust has become during it's development but with a better engine, old school RPG mechanics, a smallish world and either PvP or PvE like randomly generated open mazelike dungeons that pop up in the world and getting to the objective requires teamwork and rewards loot or something.
>>338625040
if you wait 10 years for me to become big enough to make a AAA mmorpg then all your problems will be solved
>>338634215
>played ff11 when I was like 14
>join a small linkshell created by my older brothers friend
>literally 6 members
>got to know each one of them on a personal level
>didn't even reach max lvl, got to like level 48 after a year
>spent most days online either fishing, just chatting with friends walking around the map, or celebrating holiday events
Most fun and "real" experience I've ever had in an MMO
>>338625293
Lineage 2 was fun. Fuck you.
Sooo whats the new meta genre? Is there one? Is it still moba?
>>338634030
>everyone says it's a comfy grinding game
>Trailers heavily imply it's a comfy grinding game
>get it
>it's a singleplayer questing themepark for literally 224 levels
>then there's just fucking nothing to do or strive for
>the itemization is so shit that there's only a few items even worth getting from non-quest sources, and they have a 1% drop rate
>you can only do dungeons THREE TIMES PER DAY, GLOBALLY, AS IN ALL DUNGEONS ARE LOCKED UNDER ONE SINGLE LIMIT
Name one MMO with good gameplay
You really can't.
And that's why they suck ass.
>>338634263
ye
>attacking with objects will never be viable again
Why even play
What are these old "good" mmos /v/ keeps talking about and why can't you play them today?
Everquest has project 1999, Guild Wars 1 is still up, as is Asheron’s Call, Ultima Online and Final Fantasy XI.
>>338626869
B&S wasnt actually that bad, though
>>338634804
The combat in Tera was amazing, but it's an awful MMO.
>>338634030
>>No matter what class you pick, unless you want to be gimped for endgame (of which there is basically only camping world bosses and GvG) you're going to be stuck with ~5 spells till level 120
how is this not just like RO
>>338634553
Didn't Wildstar try that and fuck it up?
>>338626985
Netoge no Yome wa Onna no Ko Janai to Omotta?
>>338634507
>Lutiy
it still hurts;_;
>>338634910
the russian server wasn't... I don't like ncsoft
>>338634875
The games are still there but the people aren't. A lot of the good MMOs were products of their time
>>338634169
>but then the woman comes on and everything shit's itself
So it's like every fucking anime dub with younger females?
Jesus fuck I hate it.
>>338635012
>>338634507
rip Lutiy
rip /vindi/ general
5 ever
>>338633038
>Master: +rich as fuck, +hates normies, +club president and has substantial influence, +decent player, -but relies entirely on P2W to be good
>Pig: +good at the game, +most grounded of the bunch, +has a hot but slutty friend, -wannabee normie, -has a shit PC, -too bitchy at times
>Ako: +/-? full NEET/hikki, +loving loyal waifu, +hates normies, -shit player, ----wants to be nothing but a house wife
>Nanako: +most normal, -most normie, -slut
>Yui: +hot teacher, +plays videogames, +/-? plays only to RP as a guy who plays a a girl
>>338634959
Clunky and slow, better done in Wildstar
>>338634959
>>338634804
TERA is a decent action RPG that's trapped in a shitty MMO.
>>338628136
Jesus I never noticed how much crestfallen warrior looks like a frog.
>>338634474
It's ok. I've been playing since beta, but with some long breaks since I've been quite busy last year and other times I wasn't in the mood to resub. Maybe I'll find a decent FC sometime in the future.
>>338634623
Yeah, that WoW guild I was one the best guild I joined in any mmo. We did level up together and went to dungeons, but even when we didn't it was fun to just chat and stuff.
>>338635012
He lives on in our jewing hearts
>>338635175
>fulltime neet
>goes to school
I've been wondering the same thing ever since UO went to shit with Third Dawn. Fuck your World of Shitcraft, it was garbage.
>>338635024
So it's literally nostalgia?
Ok then.
>>338635280
She almost was before meeting Rusian IRL.
>>338635182
https://youtu.be/8RGzzS1jGJc?t=446
>>338635221
that WoW guild I was in was one of the best guilds*
>>338635175
I met a girl like Ako
She was fat, and she was kind of a nut who went through a ton of different online boyfriends
She was nice when she wanted to be, but was also the meanest bitch I've ever met when she wanted to be
>>338634530
Netoge is a shitty anime. the thing is it looks so good and it has a really good concept. the writing is cringeworthy otherwise. i like it but it wouldn't make my top list. at least it's not Sword Art Online.
also i play runescape and im just glad that it got OSRS and brought back players. feels good to not be playing a dead game anymore
>>338635182
Wildstar's telegraph system is literally the worst possible way they could have done an 'action combat' system.
>>338635359
No, I mean the kinds of people that played them made it good. Like some other anon said before, a high level player would dedicate hours to help a new player just because. People actually socialized and helped each other, there was usually a sense of community. That doesn't exist these days, and a lot of MMOs may as well be single player games. So what the fucks the point
>>338625040
Because what a good MMO should be doing is copying Tibia's PvP and Ragnarok's aesthetic/drop system (not rates) and combining them.
All the new MMOs are shit because they are not wild wastelands of PvP where you could die at any given time if you weren't careful. Instead everything is an arena now and you barely get punished for losing.
Is Mabinogi worth playing?
>>338627184
this and >>338633458
Devs started catering more to solo players which led to the overall MMO community focus more on staying in their own cliques because they're used to people being able to get up to the point where they'd be useful on their own.
So even if a dev made a game that focused on partying up with strangers, it might not work because the mindset of the average MMO player has moved away from that style of play
I can't remember where I read it, but someone else explained why MMOs will never be the same:
Older MMOs tended to have both sheep and wolves playing the same games, since they were the only games around. Now, the sheep play games where they cannot be hunted, and the wolves keep starving in search of prey.
For a sandbox to be successful, it needs both sheep and wolves. But if a sheep can choose a completely safe fold, rather than the fold where the wolves can come in, why would they choose the latter?
>>338635647
It's alright for what it still is, think the /vg/ general is still active
>mfw anytime anyone mentions TERA I just remember this shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CspnCAWFk30
Fucking christ, the fuck were they thinking?
>>338625293
Final Fantasy XI was godtier
>had to party with others
>random no name mobs WERE a threat to you if you or someone fucks up
>fucking challenging if you didnt pick a DPS class
>Mithras
>>338625040
Is this anime good or is it another fotm types
>>338635647
If you can look past how god awful the combat is then sure. And also have others to play with. Playing solo the whole way through is a fucking chore.
>>338635753
>there are people that didn't get to play FFXI in its prime
Truly suffering
>>338635753
Yes,
>was
It's a shame they shut down all the servers...
>>338635824
the next episode will feature NTR, so no
>>338635905
No they didn't. Game isn't what it used to be but it's still fun
>>338635905
>private servers
>with level cap set at 75
>nice community
it happens
>>338635824
Everyone watches it for Hisasi reallyman stashed his porn and went legit
Wikis killed MMORPGs since it takes away any sense of exploration or need to interact with others to get information.
>>338635905
They won't for a long while, they only shut down the PS2 and 360 CLIENTS, the servers were always shared and the PC client is still active, and the game keeps getting monthly/bimonthly updates.
Crowfall is the last chance I'm giving the genre.
After that it's dead
>>338635964
It's not what it used to be because why?
>muh community
Has nothing to do with the game or it's design. It's literally nostalgia from retarded faggots like in this thread who think because they don't play any mmos, that there are no more tight-knit guilds.
>>338634983
Fair point, I guess. Felt more varied I guess. I think it strikes some classes more than other but making myelementalistwas just so boring. Swordsman class was kind of fun, but RO just was more enjoyable I guess.
>>338634689
>Three dungeons per day
Two if you don't buy the token.
>>338636086
wikis are killing EVERY game, not just mmos
>>338635824
Generic moe of the season.
>>338635918
If the next episode has NTR I'm dropping it.
>>338630951
>If Blizzard releases Vanilla servers, it will prove this.
isn't this already happening?
>>338636214rusian's sister hacks his account and rapes Ako ingame
>>338636214
>>338635918
They already NTR'd Ako, it's only fair.
>>338635647
if you're not an awkward sperg, the community is a lot of fun to play with
it's a good multiplayer game
lots of girls (or boys as girls whatever) play so you can find your own actual waifu
or you can be the waifu
>>338636086
>Do a dungeon in an MMO
>Even if it's a new one that came out today/yesterday
>Someone is already complaining about other people not looking up everything online to know in advance what to expect and do
Fuck that shit.
>>338635742
>Isn't that right Wizard boy?
Did TERA did spellswords right? That's all I want out of an MMO. I wanna be a Red Mage that does more than give his team a fire buff that deals 50 Fire Damage.
>>338635437
>I met a girl like Ako
>She was fat, and she was kind of a nut who went through a ton of different online boyfriends
So what you mean is that she was like Ako in that she had a vagina and that's where the similarities end, right?
The world could use some more MMOFPS games too
>>338636287
I'd literally rape my sister in real life if she made a cute girl like Ako go through something traumatic like that.
>>338636616
She was also a NEET who hated normies, was a shit player, and wanted to be a loyal housewife and nothing more.
>>338633317
>it's MMO-style PvP without the grinding
like fucking hell it is
LIKE
FUCKING
HELL
I loved mmo pvp to death, but I hate the fuck out of assfaggots
>top down
>a handful of skills
>every game you have to level up again and grind for gear anew
fucking ff14 pvp is better than assfaggots, let that sink in
>Mass mulitplayer online game
>each expansion focuses less on online teamwork and more on solo play
>the later expansions turn the game into some weird always online single player game that has half the original games features.
>>338636556
To my knowledge there isn't a class like that. All the melee classes are "fuck someone up with a bigass weapon" or "hit niggers real quick and stylishly with two smaller ones."
And the caster classes are pure caster.
>>338636710
She's actually doing him a favor, assuming it helps her distinguish between reality and video games
>>338634005
>You're expected to know all of the mechanics for something regardless of if you've even experienced it before. I was basically the top of the food chain in WoW for so long that I got bored with it.
Are you me?
>>338636834
>>each expansion focuses less on online teamwork and more on solo play
I really don't get why they do this. If I wanted to play alone I'd play a single player game.
>back then
>couldn't go 1hr without a stranger walking up to me and wanting to talk
>play an mmo now
>everyone keeps to themselves and want to be left alone
>the only people that talk are the ones asking you to join their guild
Talking with random people was the best part of mmo's. Now it seems no one wants to unless your in their shitty guilds.
>>338636706
>planetside2
ffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu that game was such a crap
>>338625040
This dumb healer cant even heal herself.
>>338625040
You already pointed it out. Most MMOs are just a copy of WoW. So if you like WoW, you just play WoW instead of that game. If you don't like WoW, you won't like any of the other MMOs.
I don't exactly think games like RO and SWG were perfect. But at least they were different enough from WoW to be a good alternative. Now adays, the only options we have are EVE, Tree of Savior and Dragon Quest X. And one of those we can't even play.
>>338635753
The gameplay was also incredibly monotonous and the engine was clunky garbage that ran through a ridiculously obtuse launcher.
People have the most rose tinted glasses for FFXI. It was a good game for fostering a community because it was Final Fantasy and you needed other people to help you. It was a terrible game for actually playing and having a good time.
>>338634375
>My personal gripe is when open world PvP declined and some developers wouldn't even let PvP happen outside of arenas, it's no wonder that those players all left.
>At the very least make sections of the map PvP with valuable resources. Nothing got my blood pumping faster than the tension as three groups wait for a specific mob in an open-pvp server or when I see another ship appear on D-scan as I'm doing sites in lowsec.
fucking this
it's so much more fun to have the tension of someone attacking you over something valuable than just being in an area where there's literally nothing to do but kill each other.
I'm looking at you here, GW2. Fuck Battlegrounds
>>338637014
I remember having fun helping newbies back then.
>>338637018
It still is
>>338626772
>PSO2 is my ideal MMO
PSO2 is good because its not an MMO. Its a game in the genre of Diablo. Tree of Savior is trying to be an MMO with Diablo gameplay. And the gameplay is good, but the MMO part is as bad as all the other MMOs out there.
>>338635824
No, it's garbage. People watch it because it looks nice and because the character designs are good. The actual content is terrible.
>>338634804
>Name one MMO with good gameplay
Black Mage in Heavensward raids is some of the most intense gaming I've ever done in my life outside of RTS and FPS
>>338627184
>The entire Guild live in the same classroom of the same school and city
>>338636904
I just want an excuse to rape my sister and besides. The ones in the wrong are Rusian and the guild for they are the ones not getting Ako's feelings. What you need to do is make her understand the difference between real world and the net world and the importance on the real world. It can be as easy as to explain basic human functions and also force her to not take showers for a week and taking her public places so she gets embarrassed from being stinky and put more value on real life. But no, for some reason this shit is being handled by stupid highschool girls and a turbo beta virgin. This anime is so shit dude.
Honestly the only good part is the moe and that's getting old too, Rusian is a fucking faggot and Ako is not getting nearly enough screen time.
>>338636890
Welp. The commercial was fucking gold though.
Question for the class, does anyone think that an MMOWithout grinding for levelswould work? Just an open world sandbox kind of game with quests that you party up with people? Destiny is kind of doing it with an FPS.
EVE seemed to be on to something with their FPS game, but it just disappeared off the face of the Earth.
WHY CAN'T WE FUCKING GET DRAGON QUEST X ALREADY? IT IS LITERALLY WHAT EVERY FUCKING MMO PLAYER WANTS
>COMFY GRAPHICS
>JOURNEY IS JUST PLAYING RATHER THAN REACHING THE FINAL LEVEL
>ENDLESS AMOUNT OF MINI-GAMES
>LIGHT-HEARTED STORY WITH CHARACTER ARCHETYPES TO FILL EVERY WAIFUFAG NEEDS
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
>>338636706
Only Warframe was any good though and that's pretty much a hamster wheel.
>>338637296
Good how?
Generic loli highschool girl.
Generic loner super cutie with big tits
Generic ojou with big tits
The only """"good"""" character design would be Ako's and even she is just a generic highschool girl with huge boobs.
>>338637482
Because what we need is another tibia with better graphics.
>>338635697
>Older MMOs tended to have both sheep and wolves playing the same games, since they were the only games around. Now, the sheep play games where they cannot be hunted, and the wolves keep starving in search of prey.
>For a sandbox to be successful, it needs both sheep and wolves. But if a sheep can choose a completely safe fold, rather than the fold where the wolves can come in, why would they choose the latter?
this makes a sad amount of sense
Why does solo players play MMORPGs?
>born to early to experience VR + MMORPG
rip
>>338635918
>hating on NTR
nigga what?
EQ next looked too good to be true
And so it was
>>338632865
I've only ever seen the first episode of this show does she start looking like she does irl in the mmo? I love twintails but I didn't really want to continue watching because I was worried I'd be seeing her cash shop avatar character the whole time.
>>338635201
>>338634959
"You're too small minded DOUGALL"
>>338637870
cuck
Never have I agreed with an OP more.
>Game ends up being practically a singleplayer game with a "chosen one" main story quest; other players might as well not even be there
This right here, sir.
The only MMO I played that required any form of teamwork was Maplestory with the party quests, and it was ruined when they made grinding a faster method of leveling up.
Someone needs to make an MMO with a good simple combat system (like maplestory), party quests (like maplestory) except more complicated and involved, and LESS GRINDING.Party quests should be like the one in Kerning, with lots of teamwork involved, some battling, some tasks, etc. NOT like the Carnival PQ, which is basically grinding with a timer.
>>338637014
>Talking with random people was the best part of mmo's.
We had a dude in WoW hang out outside of Orgrimmar for hours each day.
He never leveled. I think he explored the entire world without ever killing a single mob, he ended up around level 7. Yet that guy new everyone, he was friends with everyone in the top level guilds, both Alliance side and Horde. Guy was a legend.
I don't think I've ever seen anything like that ever again anywhere.
>>338637969
>implying I'm the cuck
projecting so hard
>>338637482
Because that would be competition for FFXIV outside of Japan, and the head of the MMORPG department for SE doesn't want that since he's in charge of development for FFXIV.
>>338638248cuck
>>338637623
>Pig
>A loli
Every girl with a flat chest isn't a loli, anon
>>338638287
I think I would have enjoyed Vindictus if I had joined it early enough.
>>338638008
I just want an MMO with SoulsBorne combat. and 25 v 25 pvp andGOOD NETCODE, HOLY FUCK JAPS DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF LATENCY
>>338637482
Because baka gaijin must only like Finaru Fantaji, a competing MMO that's better than mine even if it's from the same company would also mean less vacations and tours for me.
I think I could make a blast of an MMO.
But
>ideas guy
so I will probably never see my vision come true.
>>338637870
Cuck.
>>338629991
You realize that WoW proves this whole 'casual' argument wrong with its sub numbers, right?
>>338638363
Early vindi was pretty rough
>>338637383
>>338635201
>>338634959
>>338634804
>guy mentions "gameplay" of MMOs
>everyone understands gameplay as "combat"
This. This here is the reason MMOs are dead.
None of the MMOs from the past that are praised constantly had the flashy combat that Tera or B&S has. Can you figure out why? Because combat was not the meat of the game, it was just a means to an end and not the main attraction. There were countless other "gameplay" features that actually made the world feel like a MMO and not just RPG.
Hitbox based combat is nothing more than an unnecessary bandwidth load in what should otherwise be a player-action driven game.
>>338634631
>was
>>338636242
It's not 100% official, but it if you can read the writing on the walls it's pretty much confirmed.
>>338638114
Reminds me of the Pandaren guy who leveled to the max level never leaving the starting area. That's some permabeginner shit you'd see in MS.
>>338638654
>So you just want a chatroom? Give me a game that plays like a game!
I hate people that don't realize MMORPGs are supposed to be something you talk in while you play with other people. If I wanted to just play a game and not really talk to people, I'd go with something faster paced like a shooter or something.
>>338638654
Want to extrapolate on your amazing features that make MMOs so much more?
MMOs are combat, exploration, crafting, and socializing derived from doing the aforementioned three things. Ever since WoW, every MMO feels the need to tack on "Quests" (guided grinding with a 'story')
TERA had mediocre exploration, shit quests and crafting, but decent combat. I even said the combat is the only good part in my previous post.
>>338638363
Early on Vindictus was rough.Only thing the game needed was traps imo
Does anybody want to play an MMO with me? I'll play any game you want and I'll play a support role with you.
>>338633819
The main issue with making games like other games is that there's no reason to come over and actually stay with it.
>>338636242
>>338638860
In other words, if you believe Blizzard will do something just because their fans want it, it's going to happen.
However that's not the kind of behavior Blizzard has exhibited for years and years.
>>338638414
I think something like that would require either the whole world to have decent internet, or to have it only available in western countries.
>>338639039
Sure. Hop on League of Legends and I'll add you.
>>338639031
We have a fuccboi instead it's close enough
I really wanted lotro to be good.
Fuck me I just want to play XIV again but I have no friends to play it with
Are there any good FCs left?
>>338637868
We will have our first VR MMO within 5-10 years. Of course it will never be anything like full-neural-interface SAO stuff, but we'll have it.
>>338639242
It was pretty fun when it was released. Only bad thing about it was that the monster play was way too fun for when you got access to it that I just stopped playing my normal characters.
>>338639186
He was really boring to play as, I got to around level 20 before dropping him sadly.
>>338639186
I'm still gonna blame Sylas for killing Vindi
Delia will save us for sure
>>338639161
I don't have a League of Legends account but I can make one I guess.
>>338639315
f2p killed it for me.
>>338638596
>Listen to Casuals when they bitch and moan on the forums
>Subs drop
They brought it on themselves really.
>>338637870
>>338637969
>>338638912
>I hate people that don't realize MMORPGs are supposed to be something you talk in while you play with other people.
Its actually suppose to be more than that. A game that requires actual player interaction to achieve goals.
But even if you just consider it a game with an attached chat room, modern MMOs don't even give you an incentive to chat. The main game is entirely solo oriented. And the only time you need to talk to someone is in a dungeon or raid. And even then, all you need to say is 'heal plz' or 'attack my target'.
Modern MMOs have effectively removed all player interaction.
>>338636242
>>338638860
>>338639141
Vanilla servers aren't going to happen.
You might get "pristine" servers, but definitely not Vanilla.
Archage was beautifully done, minus the initial hackers landgrabbing. Then they fixed that and fucked it up with pay-to-win land-claiming items as well as royally fucking up PvP. Oh, and making economy pay-to-win by giving everyone tractors.
City of Heroes was wonderfully distinct; then it died. Then Champions and DC Universe tried to imitate it and flopped miserably.
Eve Online was/is awesome, but only if you hopped on the gravytrain from the beginning and had the particular sort of taste for it.
Blade and Soul was pretty cool, with its intense fittan gaem style classes and such, but the gameplay is too linear and the storyline is very meh.
>>338638318
She's referred to as a loli in the anime too.
>She's the shortest in class
>She has a tsundere personality
>Pig tails
>Childish personality
>Somehow not a loli, most likely because she's not saying onii-chan uwu
Dumb explosion poster. FYI, Megumin is also a loli.
the community that mmos attract are just shitlords
when the players are the content and the players are shitty it's just not fun
like neets / foreigners / casuals / sjws / people who are bad at video games / children / people trying to replace real life / people who sexualise it and get married and shit
it's why fiction about mmos is popular, or games aping an mmo style (like ffxii or dot hack), without the actual gross people
>>338639629
>Say they know pristine servers are a bad idea
>Then go on to say they're planning to talk to the people who made the most popular Vanilla server ever
You have 10 seconds to explain how this even remotely points to them releasing pristine servers
>>338639252
>Fuck me I just want to play XIV again but I have no friends to play it with
Would you be willing to play it this fall?
If so I might be in, but I'm so broke right now I can't even afford a subscription.
>>338627184
This. I never try to make friends in MMOs because I dont need to, and now anytime you need to complete a dungeon the game can pick random people to party with you, and usually everyone fucks off after the end, and theres no time to talk and know each other during the dungeon progress.
Still, in my case I realize its not the games fault. IRL I easily make friends and talk to people all the time, but somehow in online games I'm socially awkward. Guess it must be because I never know who is behind the character. Like, a loli character could be a 50yo child molester IRL.
Theres also the problem that even if you make a friend in the game, chances are you will never meet them offline, so that puts me off too.
>>338639039
I'd probably play WoW with somebody, but leveling solo is absolute tripe.
>>338639441
Yeah, I stopped playing right before that happened. Didn't get to see how that changed the game when I played.
>>338639421
I'm sorry you actually took that seriously, but don't play that game. I was fishing for replies.
>>338639394
>sylas
>not hagie
>not specifically haggis
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>338635697
I think I saw an extra Credit's video with the same idea
>>338639845
They're merely placating you, like when you tell a small child that if they behave at the grocery store they might get a piece of candy.
Pristine servers would require the least amount of work, so if they actually do anything at all, it's most likely going to be those, but even that is pretty unlikely.
>>338639039
>>338639421
Just pick something and ask others to play with you.I'd be up for anything free, too cheap to pay for games at the moment
>>338637772
mental retardation
>>338638363
As long as you weren't a spear lann, you probably would of enjoyed it.
>Irukul on spear lann
