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>the only difference being that the guns found in Far Harbor have a left-handed loading gate
You had ONE FUCKING JOB TO DO.
>New Vegas had better looking repeaters
What went wrong?
>>338535806
The whole art direction and design in 4 is shit
>>338535601
>implying guns being left handed is the main issue
>>338535945
>Fallout 4
>art direction
Guys I already finished the DLC but the Brain Dead quest never showed up. Is it bugged?
>>338535990
Got teh one where the shell loops back into the gun during VATS?
>>338535990
Holy shit it's worse than I thought.
This is next level laziness. A dev team half the size on an older engine managed to do round-by-round reloading.
>>338535990
Why is it even possible to put a fucking reflex sight on a lever action rifle?
>>338535990
Did they literally just make a semi-auto?
>>338536217
>A dev team half the size on an older engine managed to do round-by-round reloading
Obsidian actually said that making round-by-round reloading depended on how many rounds are still left in gamebryo was one of the hardest part of the development.
They also wanted to make it so ballistic fist consumes shotgun shells on each succesful strike, but couldn't get it to work.
>>338536313
With bubba, anything is possible.
>>338536525
I can imagine. They still did it though.
>>338535990
>shoot 1 bullet
>reload 5
don't tell me.
>>338536645
Well it just goes to prove that Bethesda is going to put exactly as little effort as needed for game to sell.
What I don't get though is why the made the PC drive the bolt forward in all reloading animations, even though it was dobe right in F3 where PC would let go after driving it back.
>looping reloads on gamebryo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjH4s06XXQY
>>338536934
Fallout 4 doesn't use Gamebyo at all though, it uses a brand new high tech Creation™ Engine. The gun reloads like it does because it was stylistically designed to be that way.
>>338536934
I like that Sawyer is not afraid to actually talk about how the development process goes, even if there are things that he might not be proud of.
He went full autism when balancing Pillars of Eternity but I still like him.
>>338535601
With the complete lack of effort put into the new dlc weapons, you'd think that they'd have been able to make more than 6.
>>338537081
>The gun reloads like it does because it was stylistically designed to be that way
They were stylistically designed to loop brass, load all 5 rounds without any regard to how many are still in the magazine?
>>338535806
it being made by bethesda
>>338537081
Oh. You mean it's a feature?
>>338537530
Yes. It's an anti-gun statement. Means, Bethesda game designers aren't some firearm-obsessed school-shooting nerds.
>>338537579
It is!
>>338535806
Obsidian actually cares about how their weapons look and feel.
>>338537530
You seriously didn't detect the sarcasm in that post?
>>338537530
quick tip: he added a ™ so you it has to be a joke
>>338537789
>>338537791
Sometimes I just don't know anymore
Missed that ™
>>338535806
>The wood on a 2008 engine looks more detailed
wew lad
>>338537673
I'm not defending the design of fo4's guns but.
>>338535601
No, they stopped trying after morrowind
>>338537673
>Dude isn't the Maxim gun really cool?
>Yeah but it doesn't really fit the future-retro aesthetic.
>Lol who cares the 1880s are in the past just like the 1950s what are you a fuckin' nerd?
>But...
>Shut the fuck up and tune the graphics on level 3
>>338537948
>comparing a rifle caliber machine gun to an intermediate caliber assault rifle
>>338536235
haha oh bethesda
this is train on head retarded
>>338537948
The problem is that FO4's water cooled weapon isn't a crew served machinegun but an infantry assault rifle.
This is coming from a company that made a CETME and AK47 clone in their previous game, and even had that AK47 clone burried in FO4's game files.
>>338538001
Its jarring how much more effort Bethesda put into the world of Morrowind vs Skyrim. Bandits had fucking names and tombs belonged to families. Not to mention all the extra weapons and spells.
>mfw Admiral's Friend
>>338538241
The funny thing is that FO4 actually has different raider factions with their own leader who have fights with the other leaders and are even aware when one of those leaders die.
You just can't interact with them.
How a company THAT lazy can get away with it?
Games way more detailed with better game mechanics get trashed, and they just manage to go trough every criticism with their shitty skyrim and FO4.
>>338538124
It's not really retarded. It's a way to save resources by still using the same brass instead of making a new one.
It's just incredibly lazy if not downright disrespectful given that they knew it's going to be visible in VATS.
See, they did simliar thing in F3 DLC where a metro during a custceen was actually a helmet.
But in that case it's fine and actually clever because the player is not supposed to see it and can't see it without cheating.
>>338535601
Why bother putting in effort when the masses will eat up your shitty games like pig slop anyway?
>>338538419
Not to mention the gunners.
>Oh cool a mercenary group I wonder if I can hire them or if there is some questline where you can buy them off for the minutemen or something
>Nope they're just reskinned raiders with better weapons
>>338535601
>Bethesda
>Knowing anything about guns
Anyone wanna watch this GDC '12 Fallout 1 talk about it's development by Tim Cain?
I thought it was really interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa5IzHhAdi4
>>338538552
>That pic
High lel.
>>338538875
Just as the Talon mercs from F3.
>>338538953
This shit gives me Stalingrad PTSD flashbacks.
>>338538552
this is actually so fucking amazing it hurts
The updated survival mode is fun as shit and I like fallout 4 now. Fight me
>>338539428
I wouldn't want to accidentally step on you todd
>mods lock out achievements
>console commands don't
I guess???
>>338539428
why not just play one of the 10 million early access games? they lack just as much content and polish of a Bethesda game at a tenth of the price.
>>338539682
>mods lock out achievements
That's not even lazy. Straight up malicious.
>>338538552
why do you think I said "train on head"
>>338539360
>that gif
>my dog while playing Bioshock Infinite
>>338539052
>Talon mercs
>Even as far as mercenaries go, these men and women are vicious, killing anyone who does not wear their emblem (similar to raiders).
>The reason for this is simple: in 2277, they are working for an unknown third party, with simple orders: keep the Capital Wasteland a lawless, disorganized place.
BRAVO BETHESDA
>>338539998
Still not retarded.
Train on head was a clever way to bypass how shitty Gamebryo is, without affecting gameplay in any way.
>>338540141
I still don't really understand why it was necessary. Back when I fucked around with the Morrowind construction set, you could move objects around just fine.
>>338540445
that would require work
>>338540445
Saved resources.
That's like one of the first rules of programming. If you can do it easier and with less recources without any drops in quality, do it.
>>338540074
can you ask your dog to help me out on this one
>>338539798
You assume I spent money on this game. The last Bethesda game I bought was Oblivion.
>>338540832
What resources does it actually save, though? You've got one NPC more and one moveObject or whatever call less.
>>338539682
Quest fixing and noclipping through objects when you are stuck using the console is why. You do remember that this is a Bethesda game, right?
>>338535990
How hard would it be for a modder to make proper animations for it?
>>338541036
>You've got one NPC more
How? It's the PC who wears the helmet.
>and one moveObject or whatever call less
I would imagine implementing a moving object would be more taxing that just a running PC with a flat texture helmet. Don't know the exact math though.
>>338540953
woof
woof woof
woof woof
arf?
>>338541073
Obsidian said it was hard to implement reloading a specifc amount of rounds based on how many are left in the magazine.
So, probably hard but possible.
>>338541073
considering bethesda is payed for it, and they aren't, harderfinancially, but easy as fuck in reality
Why stick with Gamebryo? They have access to better engines, and can build their own.
>>338541320
Fucking Gamebryo.
>>338541003
>I pirated it so it doesn't matter that i enjoy shit
did I get that right?
you can play literally anything thanks to piracy so why fucking fallout 4?
>>338541313
fuck..... fuck I knew it. god damnit I've spent all this time trying to figure it out...
Give your dog a treat, on me
>>338541320
Wait, are there no guns in Fallout 4 that do that?
I could have sword there was like a pump shotgun or something.
Maybe they could use the system the laser musket's loading mechanism does.
is the harbour shit out yet?
>>338541520
Because I don't find it shit, you fucking retard. Do I need to dumb it down further for you to comprehend?
>>338541658
apparently, yes. I haven't checked myselfeven though I own the season pass
>>338541320
I feel like that's bullshit but idunno.. even The Division has reload animation glitches sometimes when reloading marksman rifles.
>>338541735
you must be easy as fuck to please
>>338541769
yea same, i've even loaded the game up recently but it didn't tell me anything about it, like a radio signal or whatever showing me how to access the DLC
>>338535990
Looks as lazy as Uncharted 4
The same shitters play both these games, don't they?
this is what it looks like when the developer actually gives a shit. if you look closely you'll see even the ejection rod is modeled and animated.
I still haven't even beaten the game yet. Not because it's too good or has tons of content but because it's such a mess of nonsense and meaningless shit I don't care about.
I was never a hardcore silent protag/core RPG guy but having the dialogue wheel and a MC with a personality (a bland one) really fucking killed it for me.
>>338541553
Yep. They already had the fundamentals in place, plus it would be pretty cool to have to reload shells individually, but no.
>>338542086
obsidian fallout 4.5 when
>>338535990
>a full mag, shoots one and ejects a shell
>reloads 5 rounds in
>ejects shell in chamber even though it was already ejected after the last shot, wasting ammo.
How the fuck is Bethesda even in business? Or is this a running gag that they fuck up literally everything in their gun designs?
>>338542020
Make sure the ESP is checked.
Also, restart Steam.
>>338542452
>Hey, the gun is supposed to spit out a bullet when you reload it right
>Sure, whatever
-is how the conversation probably went
>>338539360
that is adorable and smart
>>338540141
It's a joke originating from "pants on head" retarded popularized by Zero Punctuation.
>>338535601
Another left-handed weapon.
>>338542452
>How the fuck is Bethesda even in business?
When has DLC ever been good?
>>338542708
the sad part is that you're probably right
I mean Fallout 4 has a LOT of problems but even a person like me who doesn't know a lot about gun intricacy is still bothered by all the twilight zone shit they pull.
It's like a person who has never seen a fire arm reloaded or just the general basics was put in charge of animations, that's honestly how it looks like a majority of the time.
>>338543076when has a recent bethesda title ever been good
>>338543115
As someone with a passion for medieval weapons, this is how I felt about skyrims animations. Its like they have no idea how someone swings a sword, and didnt care enough to at least google it. Fucking Morrowinds simplistic weapons attacks were better.
>>338542086
>tfw you will never live in a world where all modern Fallouts are as good as New Vegas
>>338543362
>What is RAGE
>What is Dishonored
>>338542086
I´m impressed
usally they just stuff the shells into the chanber, without ejecting the shot ones
>>338543542
>Bethesda made Rage and Dishonored
>>338543542
>id
>Arcane
>>338543542
games published by bethesda, why are you asking?
>>338543469
>>338543115
>>338542708
>>338542452
That's what happens when the devs don't hire a military advisor / gun expert.
Shit on Metal Gear all you want, but at least the gun stuff is pretty on point, starting on MGS2.
>>338541985
just like your mum
>>338543469
they added dual wielding
they aren't even trying to be realistic
>>338543542
>rage was good
>>338543950
It was a better Fallout 4 than Fallout 4, and a better Borderlands.
Story still sucked arse.
>>338543542
bethesda is not the same as bethesda you faggot
>>338535945
No, the art direction in F4 is actually very good, definitely better than the one in NV.
It's just that the actual modelers and texturers and animators are fucking bad, so they can't bring the art direction to life properly.
Please learn the difference.
>>338543853
>That's what happens when the devs don't hire a military advisor
No, this is what happens when your animators and modelers are useless, lazy fucks. There is no doubt the people at bethesda know better: they just don't care.
>>338537081
>BRAND NEW
fuck off, mate
inb4: u dun't know how 2 code, m8
What I do know, is that they didn't need these chunks of code at all.
Also, creator of ENB, Boris Vorontsov, said that the render in F4 is complete shit, and Besthesda "continues to slap things on top each other"
>>338544125
Pretty much this. Fo4 has a very strong aesthetic, it's just horribly utilized by any of the people remotely involved with gunplay. Although, it's honestly probably too strong.
>>338543853
They don't even need a military advisor, literally could have done a better job if they just watched a 10 minute youtube video. Thats how little effort Bethesda puts into its games.
>>338544335
One more
>a game is now officially ruined because of a gun flaw
>>338535990
This can't be real.
>>338544518
It's been ruined, famicom.
>>338544518
No, the game is ruined because the developers are lazy, malicious and incompetent. Not a huge stretch tbqhwyf.
>>338544476
>>338544335
holy shit lmao, I knew fallout 4 was a skyrim reskin, but this is just too much for me
>>338544518
it was ruined since release
>>338544125
>liking MUH 50'S XD more than cowboys and rome
>>338544518
it has been ruined since the first gameplay footage was released
I literally lost all interest in it at that point
>>338544476
those are oblivion holdovers
wew lad
>>338535601
i go away from /v/ for a month and i still find ways to hate this game more than i thought possible
>>338541320
Most things would be hard for Obsidian since they can't even finish a single game.
>>338544693
>>338544476
waaaaaaaaaaaaaait
skyrim doesn't have classess
holy shit they're reusing oblivion code
how
fucking
lazy
can
you
be
>>338544335
>>338544476
this isn't even funny anymore
>>338544935
witnessed.
>>338544335
That's fucking pathetic.
>>338535990
this video is edited.
>>338538552
>people still fall for this
>>338544820
It's a really bad game.
The worst part is that the parts of NV that were bad were bad mostly because of engine limitations whereas fallout 4 manages to be bad in spite of the vastly improved engine.
>>338544476
W-wait
Is that fucking oblivion code
>>338544335
So you're saying the people that make this game are completely incompetent and lazy?
>>338544335
>>338544476
not the first time they've done this. If you use the editor in New Vegas, and by association i guess Fallout 3, there is a value for Frost Damage in there.
>>338545142
I like the way it swinges to the sides
>>338544059
>that makes rage good
ok
>>338545282
there's some references to VATS in the CK
>>338545348
Besides the awesome guns.
>>338544335
Are they for real ?
>>338543474
It hurts, guys. It fucking hurts.
>>338544518
Those are not gun flaws, those are flaws at a logical level.
>>338544476
that just looks goofy. why won't they trim this? i don't know about anything about code beyond if/then statements, but can't this be optimized rather easily?
>>338545131
I can't even just say it's nitpicking or "stop having fun" anymore. They lied to everyone. They swindled everyone. They really did.
We got cheated out of a real game made by hardworking folks with integrity and passion.
>>338537682
That's the main problem since 2007 games are not made for nerds anymore
>>338546645
wh....wha...t but todd would n..never
>>338535990
I thought everyone was mad at this webm because the shell casings or whatever were being ejected into the character's face, which is insanely retarded.
What's the problem here? Pretty much every FPS has 1 reload animation regardless of how many bullets you shoot.
>>338538521
They rely on first impression and hype
Does this shitty game have cyberpunk augs yet?
>>338546905
Maybe before 2001.
The worst part is that this worked just fine in the previous instalment.
>>338541872
Gamebryo is a shit engine with shit limitations.
You want a close combat weapon that can use limited ammo to inflict more damage? (the ripper) Too bad. Either it always uses ammo, or it never uses ammo. If you look, you'll see that all the powerfists, rippers, ballistic fists, and so on actually have small energy cells, microfusion cells, or magazines, but they couldn't bypass gamebryo's binary shit rules.
I don't know how obsidian managed to implement their lever guns. Are there any videos of them talking about it?
>>338546905
most games have 2 reload animation
this is just lazyness
>>338546905
Because the issue is magnified when coming dropping features previous games had and what other games are too lazy to do doesn't make any player feel better about the decision.
Man, if reloads weren't cancelable or shell by shell, I'd never use a pump or level action. It's a huge issue of viability for single and multiplayer.
>>338546905
The problems here are:
Mirrored guns, as you said
The fact that he loads all five rounds even though he only shot one, meaning there are still 4 more in the magazine. This goes beyond being just a cometic detail, as that reload takes 5 times longer than it should.
PC works the lever at the end of reload, even though he always does that after each shot, meaning that the gun would actually eject a live round rather than brass.
The second thing is the main issue.
>Pretty much every FPS has 1 reload animation regardless of how many bullets you shoot.
No. Most FPSes take into account how many rounds are left in the magazine (NV did), not to mention things like if there is a round in the chamber or not.
>>338543559
The guy in charge of the project took the time to buy guns, study guns, talk to people who use guns, learn about mormons, and get a 1920s ratpack expert employeed to get the Vegas feel just right.
Meanwhile, Bethesda has infinite money and time, and can't even be bothered doing the most basic of work.
>>338547254
Yeah, see >>338536934
>>338547515
and to think obsidian did all this with way less time and money than bethesda
>yfw you'll never see a fully developed obsidian fallout
>>338537275
If you're still here, Sawyer gave a talk this year where he talked about PoE development and some of his decisions and things he did not like/was looking to change
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1023481/Gods-and-Dumps-Attribute-Tuning
>>338546905
Most FPS games have a fuckton of reloads.
Look at something like the crysis games. Sure, they're kinda old now, but you have different animations for all the suit modes, whether or not you have ammo left in your boxmagazineclip, and if you're 'in cover' or not.
That's a lot of fucking reload animations, anon.
>>338548152
Thanks.
>>338536536
Is that a sawnoff nugget?
>>338548603
Yes.
>>338542086
I'm not a expert on firearms, where's the ejection rod?
>>338548926
pushing the casings out. You may have to pause it to see it.
I guess it could be worse.
so the real question here is, when is a modfag going to optimize FO4 so my microwave can play itas it should already be with those graphics?
>>338548926
Look closely and you can see there's a small rod protruding out of the chambers every time a spent casing is ejected. It pushes out the empty cartridge.
I'm no expert but I assume that is the ejection rod.
>>338548926
>>338549329
Basically this.
it's under the barrel, you can see his finger pushing it
>>338547515
New Vegas is actually a miracle.
In addition to all that, in just 18 months they managed to make what is considered one of the best (if not the best) Fallout games AND the single player game with the most lines of dialogue recorded.
1 8 M O N T H S
Bethesda takes some 4~5 years between games. Can't even achieve 1/4th of that.
>post yfw you did not buy Fallout 4
>>338549854
>post yfw there will never be another non-bethesda fallout again
>>338549770
Please keep in mind that a lot of the heavy lifting for New Vegas had already been done for FO3 in the form of existing models, textures, gameplay systems, code, etc.
As good as New Vegas is, its essentially one really big total conversion mod for FO3. It wasn't made from scratch like 3 and 4 were.
>>338550027
dumb frogposter
>>338550224
>It wasn't made from scratch like 3 and 4 were.
>like 3 and 4 were.
anon please scroll up
Fallout 4 has Oblivion code in it
then fuck off
>>338549770
Pretty sure out of those 5 years, 4.9 years are spent blowing money on hookers, drugs and fast cars.
Just imagine there being a 24/7 orgy at beth HQ for 4 years and 11 months and then they just take the code from their last game, slap some shitty free textures and anims on that shit and done.
>>338550224
please keep in mind that had bethesda not restricted obsidian to 18 months, they probably would have made all new shit, hell, probably even a new engine.also have you read anything in this thread at all
>>338538953
What in the name of FUCK did Bethesda do to that PPSH
Do most enemies still hold nothing but shitty pipe weaponry?
>>338535601
Why is the stock so tiny on that thing. You can't properly shoulder fire that thing.
>>338550389
Anon please stop being stupid for 2 seconds.
Yes, Bethesda has been using the same engine since fucking Morrowind. And they've been building their new games on top of their old ones. Of course there'll be old code in there somewhere.
But each new game they make still requires writing new code, recording new audio, making new models and textures. FO3 is one such case.
New Vegas was built on top of FO3, so it uses a lot of FO3's assets and code. Hence why it was put together so quickly.
>>338535806
Because the FNV guys actually looked at a gun for more then five seconds from google images instead of Bethesda where they think of a gun then try to model it from their memory.
>>338549854
>mfw I plan on buying fallout 4 next week when I get paid
>>338540115
Caution: sharp edges
>>338550820
FNV also has a lot of new code for work arounds and shit that Bethesda didn't bother to fix.
It also has a new assets and much more dialogue.
FNV still required writing new code, recording new aido, making new models and textures.
>Grrr guns in video games aren't perfect representations of real world weapons!
I'll never understand the depths of autism when it comes to gunfags.
>>338544125
>No, the art direction in F4 is actually very good
If you want your Fallout to look like Army Men.
Everything looks like it's made of plastic.
>>338536313
Modern Marlins sometimes have rails on them. So yeah. Nothing wrong with that imo. Respect for the aesthetic is up to the owner and those sights are undeniably effective.
Source: some /k/ommando posting his post-2010 Guide Gun.
>>338551052
>FNV still required writing new code, recording new aido, making new models and textures.
Not on the same scale as FO3.
>>338550894
post yfw you realize it's worse than this thread makes it to be.give it a day or so
>>338551171
Did you read the rest of the post, you stupid asshole?
>>338535990
They have to be doing this intentionally right, how could they fuck up this bad...
>>338551208
you're right, it was on a much bigger scale
since FNV has 4x the dialogue of Fallout 3. Probably twice the text and double the perks.
Oh they also changed how Skills work. And dialogue.
>>338551137
>it's fine to have shitty unprofessionaly designed unrealistic guns in a game where guns are the core element of the gameplay
Consider suicide.
>>338551292
Yes. Do you need me to repeat myself?
>>338550224
There was very little heavy lifting.
All the old fallout 3 weapon and armor textures stick out like sore thumbs, as do their shitty designs.
Compare the LAER to the bethesda made laser rifle, or look at all the riot gear armors and compare them to the raider armors the fiends wear. Even their skull helmets are more detailed than their clothes.
The world is bigger, it has more stuff in it, and there's far more shit going on under the hood than in bethesda's games. They made their own script engine, they implemented 'literally impossible!' lever reloads, and incorporated all these other things that Todd said was impossible, like thrown melee weapons, seecondary attacks for unarmed and melee weapons, put in ironsights, secondary ammo types, crafting... Saying it's a conversation is a bit of an insult.
It wasn't true 6 years ago, and isn't today.
To illustrate, here is a picture. Also, there's more 12 gauge shotgun ammo types than there are ammo types TOTAL in fallout 3.
>>338546395
They'll want it in there when they copy/paste to make the next Elder Scrolls.
In all seriousness, I'm no professional coder but I'd imagine when you have so much code, it's a lot safer to disable chunks of it instead of outright deleting it in case something unforeseen breaks. They could eventually go back and clean things up, but at this point the entire code base has to be such a fucking mess they're afraid of touching anything.
>>338546905
>What's the problem here? Pretty much every FPS has 1 reload animation regardless of how many bullets you shoot.
You are out of your mind.
I can't think of a single game in which the incorrect amount of ammunition is loaded one round at a time. Not every shooter I've played actually has one-round-at-a-time reloading animations, but of those that do, literally EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM does it correctly. This video is a first, for me.
>>338551137
>grrrr stupiud gunfags ruining my perfect logically impossible airsoft kid's brain child weaponry
>>338551137
>design a math game
>make it so 2+2=5
>LOL ITS JUST A GAME YOU MATHFAG CONTAIN YOUR AUTISM IT'S FUN GET A LIFE xD:Dddddxxx
>>338544476
>>338544335
I look at things like this and weep at the thought that people still defend Bethesda as if they're game making Gods.
>>338551634
That might be an acceptable reason if Oblivion was the previous project or something.
Oblivion was developed 11-13 YEARS ago. Over a decade. That's enough time to say hey, it's time to rebuild this pile of shit.
Tood Howard is just a huge piece of shit and Fallout 4 is a legitimately bad video game. I'm sure it sold tremendously to all the 12 year olds though.
>>338544518
LOL
It's been ruined from WAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than this.
Why don't you fuck off,Todd, you faggot manlet fuck.
>>338544335
MAGIC CONFIRMED CANON IN FALLOUT
>>338551542
>Compare the LAER to the bethesda made laser rifle
Bethesda's Laser Rifle design is much, much better.
LAER looks like a toy.
>>338552039
with the amount of lore destruction bethesda did to the series, it might as well be
*cough*
Hey /v/. Does my recovery wonders seeing you guys talk about my game. I hope you're having *cough* fun.
>>338549293
is this farcry2?
>>338552196
Shut up and die, you bald manlet fuck.
YOU AND YER LIES
>>338551846
Bethesda gets a pass because to the average normie, Bethesda and Bioware are the only two RPG devs in existence. Obsidian, CDPR, Larian, inXile, they all might as well not exist.
>>338552196
Oh, you poor poor man.
Is there any way I could help you?
>>338552196
I'm just sorry the doctor was unable to get spears working to combat your illness, Todd. The hospital just wasn't designed for spears
>Show a known bug in the BETA LEAK of FH
>/v/ chimps out because they don't actually play video games and so had no idea
pottery
>>338552079
Bethesda's laser rifle is a hideous hunk of metal with a horribly anti-ergonomic stock and grip. At least the LAER has the makings of a (playfully stylized) weapon.
>>338552589
>playfully stylized
Toy.
>>338552520
>implying it's the only thing wrong with the guns in F4, yet alone with the whole game
Try harder
>>338552079
have you seen the original fallout energy weapons? That could fit in to any 1950's scifi movie.
>>338551542
That image is hilariously disingenous.
>>338552759
No, I didn't imply that at all actually.
Try reading a post next time, champ.
>>338552749
Shit Anon you could say modern bullpups look like toys.
Not much of an argument.
>>338552791
Yeah I've seen them.
They look like shit.
>>338542994
>playing farcry 2
>apparently everyone in africa is left handed
>>338552791
Goddamn I love the original laser pistol design.
It looks like it'd be really comfortable to hold.
>>338552079
Looks like a piece of shit. The LAER fits the future-tech world perfectly, while this is some unergonomic monster.
It does look a bit better when you put all the Obsidian made weapon mods on it in NV.
>>338552889
>>338552749
>>338552520
>>338552079
c'mon guys, are we really falling for it?
>>338539360
To this day I can't figure out how the dog got it through.
Look at the length of the branch to the right, and when he turns it to get it across the bridge.
It literally fazes through the green column.
You can even see the length of it the frame before and the couple frames after the dog does it that it's indeed too far out to be able to just go past the green column, it fazes through it.
Testing.
Testing.
Whacky.
Testing.
>>338553059
Shit, just remove the weird tube that connects the front to the trigger and make the whole trigger area less retarded and it'd look fine.
Maybe put some padding on the stock, or widen it at the very least.
>>338552347
Wow. That was rude :(
I guess you're having a bad day. Hope you feel better.
>>338552387
Well...maybe...maybe buying my game wouldn't hurt. *cough*
>>338552514
I know. The hospital director hired a buddy to implement it but he just can't handle the job. Despicable.
Say, do you feel a draft?
>>338553175
Advanced Dogonometry.
>>338553031
Obsidian brought many of them back for NV, and upgraded them further with extra weapon mods in GRA.
Here, look at this fallout 1 styled plasma pistol. Meanwhile, Bethesda's plasma pistol is like the deus ex nanokey ring with a crystal array on the other end, and some tubes.
I just don't know how they can fuck up old fashioned super science, especially when they have all these old games to look at.
>>338552986
Fuck off then, the LAER fits the look that the series has had for energy weapons while Beth's designs stand out like a sore thumb.
>>338553175
holy fuck what the shit
this is like the 7th time I've posted this and I still hadn't seen it
>>338553357
God, I love the Plasma Defender. It's such a sexy gun.
>>338553357
Fuck were they thinking with this shit?
>>338553175
Holy shit
>>338535601
Guns guns guns
I only pull 'em out when I'm facing more than one in the danger zone.
For those moments, Overseer's Guardian is best guardian.
For the rest of the time, Pickman's blade it is.
>Pickman did nothing wrong.
>>338535806
You mean what went right?
>>338537782
>>338550845
You can tell Obsidian really tried and loved having a shot at Fallout. Like seriously, Sawyer went to test fire guns for New Vegas.
>>338553357
FO4's plasma pistol looks better.
That thing just looks like a fucked-up glock.
>>338553517
>that trigger
>>338553898
>Take the Glock 86 and glue tubes to it
I don't have an appropiate reaction image for this.
>>338553898
Plasma defender was actually designed by Glock in Fallout universe.
>>338553898
>JUST ADD TUBES
lol
also
>That thing just looks like a fucked-up glock.
It was literally designed by Glock. It's the Glock 86.
>>338535990
that is a boring ass animation
Can anyone make a webm of the NV marksman carbine going through its jam animation?
>>338553898
Because it is a fucked up plasma glock, you nigger. It's the glock 86. Gaston Glock, the pre-war owner of glock, uploaded his mind to a computer, and kept making guns longer after the world exploded.
>>338535990
I honestly thought this shit was a bug. We had individual round loading in NV, so what the fuck man
>>338553898
>that copper tube that leads to fucking nowhere that the inside of the grip couldn't go
Yep, that's Bethesda
>people think this looks like the Fo4 Plasma Pistol
Oh, I get it now.
You're all just incredibly delusional.
>>338553898
What is it with Bethesda and awful triggers?
>>338554783
Because they have never fired a fucking gun in their collective lives and prioritize stylistic trappings over actual functional weaponry.
See the retarded PPSH "combat shotgun" in FO3 and the billions of retarded pipe weapons in FO4
Keep in mind you are discussing the people who though a shoulder fired nuclear catapult was a good idea.
>>338554783
DUDE
APOCALYPSE
LMAO
>>338553898
>That thing just looks like a fucked-up glock.
yeah because it was a fucking glock
>>338555040
the pipe weapons are a pretty good idea in theory.
Too bad bethesda always fucks that shit up
>playing Far Harbor
>having an alright time
>liking the fog and the scenery for the most part
>get to the memory part
>HOLY SHIT ALL THIS COLOR IT'S LIKE I'M REALLY IN HACKERS
>it plays like fucking Mineycrafta mode
>shitty, boring puzzles
>EVERYTHING MOVES SO FUCKING SLOW
>finish the 3rd one and haven't played ever since
That thing killed every ounce of momentum that DLC had. Holy shit.
>>338549294
I've tried several desperation mods, but they just can't get my moderate-tier Skyrim machine to run FO4.
Now, I'm fine with progress; the tech moves on, leaving poorfags like me behind. That's just how it is, and better for PC gaming. The problem is that FO4's graphics do not warrant that drastic a leap in requirements.
>>338555040
>Keep in mind you are discussing the people who though a shoulder fired nuclear catapult was a good idea.
To be fair, they're just the Davy Crockett of a world that has personal nuclear fusion powered armor suits that are highly resistant to radiation.
It makes sense.
>>338555336
>The problem is that FO4's graphics do not warrant that drastic a leap in requirements.
While a large, large part of that is Bethesda, a massive chunk of the blame solely lies with Nvidia. They purposefully gimp performance, especially on AMD powered machines.
>>338535806
wasn't the repeater designed by Bethesda for point lookout?
>>338555515
Different model.
>>338536313
Any modern firearm can have rails including pistols, shotguns, revolvers, and lever-action rifles. There are literally holes already drilled and tapped on top of receivers of these rifles to easily install a weaver rail or a normal rail.
I have a Marlin 336BL (which is a .30-30 version of the lever-action rifle in the game) that came from the factory with an XS Sights rail on the top.
If you don't know shit about guns, don't comment about guns.
>>338555368
Davy Crocketts were artillery pieces carried by vehicle and used by a three man crew. Not man-portable.
You fired it at targets between 1.5 and 2 miles out. Because its a fucking nuclear weapon, not a grenade.
I wouldn't mind the Fatman if it was a dark humor type of joke weapon. Sure, you can use it and fire it just fine but you immediately die if you actually use it because nukes are kind of a big fucking deal. It would be a perfect example of the retardation of nuclear war and its effects, fitting in with the setting perfectly.
>>338548152
That was actually really cool thanks
I got fed up trying to return to BG with that shit expansion and just couldn't get into it. Got PoE, it's really solid. I've got my gripes but if I listened to the internet it was the worst game ever made.
>>338555085
Pipe weapons are a terrible idea. It's like 200 years after the bombs dropped, and people have the capability to make both prewar guns and new inventions all the time.
But in the Bethesda zoo, every other weapon is a pipe weapon for some reason.
>>338537673
>future assault rifle
>heavy as fuck (over 20 pounds modified)
>has the barrel sleeve for water-cooling like machine guns from WWI
I mean what in the even fuck were they thinking?
>>338555790
Its like you didn't even read my post about power armor at all, familio.
As to be expected from this board; retardation.
WHAT THE FUCK DID THEY DO
I'M ON THE LOWEST SETTINGS ON A GAMING PC THAT CAN RUN LITERALLY EVERYTHING BUT THIS DECENTLY
BUT EVEN ON THE LOWEST SETTING MY FPS IS SHIT AND I STILL HAD SINGLE FRAME FPS DROPS RANDOMLY?
WHAT THE FUCK BETHESDA
>>338538349
>literally an apeman
>>338539360
>branch no-clips through the plank on the right
>>338555897
moment i realised how few guns there were in that game and how many pipe weapons was the exact moment i deleted that piece of shit and never played it again lol
>>338555897
>modded pipe weapons
is bethesda literally retarded?
>scopes and sights
>on pipe weapons
>>338555897
I wouldn't mind the pipe guns if they weren't fucking eveywhere and didn't have as many variants. At most a pipe revolver and a single shot rifle/shotgun. Not in fucking pre-war safes.
>>338555491
>They purposefully gimp performance
[citation needed]
>>338555491
>>338556152
>be me
>have laptop from 2014 with AMD Radeon R9 290X
>game runs at 60fps
This is my experience with FO4.
An insult to animators the world over.
there are so many ways to say 'fuck you', but I don't think any of them do justice to the skills lying dormant throughout the populace.
>>338538552
>they did simliar thing in F3 DLC where a metro during a custceen was actually a helmet
>they did simliar thing in F3 DLC where a metro during a custceen was actually a helmet
>they did simliar thing in F3 DLC where a metro during a custceen was actually a helmet
>they did simliar thing in F3 DLC where a metro during a custceen was actually a helmet
>they did simliar thing in F3 DLC where a metro during a custceen was actually a helmet
>>338555912
A shoulder fired nuclear catapult is not a recoilless rifle system.
Is that a difficult concept for you?
Can you give me some other examples of nuclear weapon miniaturization on the level of the Fatman before FO3?
>>338555897
How many aneurysms would this cause /k/?
>>338556263
A good example is Gameworks. Just the entire fucking thing. Total mess.
However, tesselation is the easiest culprit to spot. Ever wondered why FO4's godrays absolutely destroy performance? Its because they use an Nividia method of tesselating fucking light beams, and its hilariously excessive.
They did this in Crysis (tesselation of water underneath the map that is renderd but never seen) and multiple other games.
It is not new.
>>338556509
>all the aneurysms
It may remove /k/ebab.
>>338555897
>those fucking stocks on the lower left
It hurts just to imagine them
>>338538124
>>338538552
>train on head retarded
>theres actually a train headed retard
>>338538019
*tighten up the graphics
>>338551643
GTA V's pump action shotguns do the same shit that Far Harbor's Lever Action does, but it's the only other example I can think of. I don't fucking understand why two of the biggest, highest budget studios in the gaming industry are the only studios that can't do a proper looping reload, it's just absolutely fucking ridiculous.
>>338556362
>that picture
Why did it make me laugh so much.
>>338535806
>NV had great guns AND fucking reloading benches
Obsidian is fucking great. I have never seen a game with reloading benches before
>>338556043
>look back at gif
>it's true
Fucking Bethesda.
To whoever is saying that nuke catapults carried by infantrymen make sense in the zomg! so whacky and far out fallout universe, d00d.
It doesn't. In the first game, nukes are still serious fucking business. The Master, the game's actual badguy, has a nuke in his basement, but he has no plans to use it, because he and his followers all consider the power of the atom too terrible of a weapon to unleash on mankind again.
It's a Big Thing when you blow up the nuclear reactor on the oil rig in fallout 2, as well, and when Ulysses escapes Big Mountain with the launch codes to the last remaining ICBM batteries in America.
Meanwhile, in fallout 3, here's a fat man that shoots 8 mini nukes in a single go! SO WHACKY!
>>338555061
That one is clever, I'll give them that.
>>338555897
Guys I figured it out.
The Super Mutants of Boston are actually Warhammer 40k Orks. There are a fuck ton of them for no reason because they sprout out of the ground like proper Orks, and the huge amounts of cobbled together shitty pipe weapons further reinforces Ork presence.
>>338556152
The games lighting is pulled between the CPU and the tessellation performance of the GPU. Their method of lighting is literally meant to fuck with AMD systems. The CPU piece of the lighting fuck with AMD CPUs and the GPU lighting is biased for tessellation which while heavily improved every single year, kills the frame rate on older AMD GPUs
>>338556596
>devs are too lazy and incompetent to even implement their own useless eye-candy
>use canned shit from a specific graphics card manufacturer because they don't care
>don't bother to fix it even though they know it causes problems for a large % of their customers
>this is somehow the graphics card company's fault
>>338557321
>>this is somehow the graphics card company's fault
Considering that NVidia literally pays studios to use gameworks in certain AAA games...
>>338556851
>mfw I realize that actual post-90's-tier AI and conversation has completely dropped off my list of expectations in modern games
how has it come to this
I blame graphics. We have GPUs when we should have AI-PUs.
>>338549854
>post yfw you pirated FO4 and enjoyed it
>>338557104
The reason for that is the target audience, for the first two fallout games the target audience grew up when the soviet union still existed and was relevent. For the Bethesda games its target audience is people who where not alive or extremely young when the soviet union broke apart
>>338557546
>post yfw you pirated it because poorfag and it didn't run on your system
I honestly would enjoy the Fallout series if they didn't use such a stupid looking 1960's retrofuturistic aesthetic to their technologies and guns.
>>338557754
I got 60fps on medium-low on my 750 ti, and no less than 45 in places like diamond city and the institute.
How shitty of a potato are you running?
Why is the bomb in Megaton an old ass WW2 style bomb when the actual nukes used in the Great War were nuclear ICBMs
The Megaton nuke would have been a fucking ancient, over 100 year old weapon at that point in 2073
>>338558017
lol nerd it's just a game bro, turn your brain off nerdlington
>>338535806
AND THEY EVEN LOADED FROM THE CORRECT SIDE.
what the fuck bethesda, NV had a good thing going and you're GOING BACKWARDS.
3 had reversed guns, only one reload animation, and no irons
NV made guns not retarded lefty versions, added real ironsites, but still was lacking in animations
F4 fucked it all up once again
>>338558017
Because wacky 1950's aesthetic! is all Toddler Howard understands about Fallout.
>>338558017
The same reason that Fallout 3 had all of those le-old-timey songs on the radio. Fallout = 50s, amirite? dude lmaoo
>>338558017
Because Bethesda.
>>338558017
>being this autistic
Stop reading too much into it. It's a fucking video game.
>>3385580039800 gt
Considering how shit the graphics are, I expected to be able to run this as well as 3 and NV if on lowest
>>338558176
Maybe they're upset that people praise NV over 3 so instead of learning from Obsidian they would rather reinforce their mistakes and shove them in our faces because clearly they're the better Fallout devs.
The sad thing is I'm not joking, I actually think this was the mentality that went into developing Fallout 4.
>>338558172
you mean it's just agamebryo
>>338550646
>>338539129
>>338538953
>lol i swapped the grip and mag around
>ORIGINAL FIREARM DONUT STEEL
There is nothing wrong with fallout 4. Now buy the Season Pass and get your free epic DLC.
>>338558017
something in the fort with the t51b had some text explaining how china still used old style bombs along with ICBMs do to cost, still makes no fucking sense that one of the old style bombs would be all the way in dc though besides maybe it's a us one from a plane crashing
>>338538993
I want my video games to be made by sweaty nerds again. They seem to have actually loved what they were doing.
>>338558258
But anon there is an actual ICBM silo in Fallout 3. So Beth had at minimum some clue that the war was fought with them.
And then they go and include a WW2 nuke that was transported by bomber all the way across the continental United States, is dropped but fails to airburst like nuclear weapons are used, and is then an "active dud" that makes a fucking gigantic crater.
Am I supposed to ignore the fact that Beth knows that ICBMs were used in the Great War, since they put a silo in their game? They are kinda sending mixed signals here.
>>338558613
>buy
>free
But Todd, that isn't h
>All this talking about new vegas
Fuck sake now I have to look for mods, any recommendations? I love the main game vanilla and never tried any mods so whats on the table?
>>338558849
That's how it works. You pay one time and when the DLC comes out you'll get it for free.
>>338558849
Isn't what? What was this man trying to tell Todd?
>>338558707
You're putting much more thought into Fallout 3 than any of the people making it did.
>>338553059
this is supposed to be military grade? it looks like a pile of junk.
>MUH 50'S AESTHETICS
>>338547807
Obsidian has said that they'd LOVE to do another fallout, they're just waiting for the go-ahead from Bethesda. We need to hound the fuck out of Bethsoft on every platform possible until they finally cave. When I say every platform, I mean EVERY PLATFORM. Twitter, facebook, email, I'll even mail Todd's fucking house.
>>338551542
This image is misleading for hiding the faction quests for FO4. Not saying New Vegas doesn't still win, but at least show all the quests.
>>338559220
I think he was starting to say that it isn't ha
>>338559025
project nevada is actually good, the overlay for power armor along the night/thermal/em vision options is nice, also reworks implants and does not conflict with anything. Underground hideout is also the best house mod, It even changes over time depending on what quests you have done since it has a "trophy" wall, for example after boone's quest a 1st recon beret will be on a coat rack.
>>338557085
>>338556043
It doesn't. The bit of the branch that he hold upwards moves forward towards the camera and the bottom facing bit of the branch then rubs against the post but has enough room to clear the bridge. It's just hard to see due to camera perspective.
>>338538552
>It's a way to save resources by still using the same brass instead of making a new one.
Except they fucking animated the loop instead of resetting the position which would be way easier
>>338535601
he tried to warn us
https://archive.is/WVCxd
>>338559285
I implied there'd never be another BECAUSE of bethesda not allowing obsidian to go ahead. I'll spam that shit but I honestly don't see a point to trying to convince todd. it'd just be bad for bethesda in general
>>338559835
woops clearly I don't know how to save these pics because I'm a faggot
>>338544818
Morrowind actually. Yes they've been using the same engine (with new coat of paint) since 2002 Morrowind.
>>338559285
I think Obsidian just didn't want to be rude and said something like "nope we ain't touching that shit again".
If Bethesda agreed to this, you know Bethesda will try to push Obsidian to finish it within 12 months.
>>338558427
honestly I believe you might be on to something. From their interviews where they blatantly admit to dumbing everything down, It wouldn't surprise me anymore. Bethsoft just can't handle the fact they're shitty at making Fallout games compared to Obsidian.
Also, this. Please this.>>338559285
>>338558017
Dude nukes lmao
>>338555555
>>338559493
Thanks, really impressed how the game gets even better.
>>338542086
The lever action in Far Harbor requires you to reload five shots in it manually to actually reload it. If you stop and do anything during the animation, then no reload for you
>>338560328
imagine being so new you think /v/ has gets that aren't 0s
>>338559835
There's literally no way Bethesda won't benefit from it. They'll still have their name on the title screen, so they'll be getting money kicked back, and they won't have to lift a finger on the project.
It's literally free money for them, the only issue is the loss of pride that comes with sort of admitting that Obsidian is better. That's why it'll take a lot of people constantly bugging them. We need to send a fucking message.
>FO4 has pre-war sequence
>Not a single shred of the actual misery that was occurring at the time, just white picket fences and shit
Imagine if they gave you an intro where you are in the middle of the slums. Chaos everywhere, people dead in the streets from the New Plague, people have learned of FEV experimentation due to press leaks and think that the government caused the plague. Riots and violent suppression, martial law, the works.
You have your extended family with you and your only option is to try to get into a vault alongside a throng of other desperate people. Do you try sneaking in with some other legit vaulters? Do you do some intro quests to forge paperwork or earn a favor to get a spot? Do you gather a huge crowd who all try to rush a vault entrance at once? Who do you decide to bring with you? Or do you abandon your family and only care for yourself?
Do you fail entirely and end up outside a vault when the bombs fall?
>>338560065
Nope. Obsidian reps/spokespeople have said on multiple occasions that they'd really like to do another fallout.
>>338555790
What pisses me off is that you can use mini nukes under your feet in FO4 but they have a tiny bunker with the parts for a mini nuke and your companions act like if it were to go off it would do the same as the pre war nukes and completely screw over society
>>338559806
Holy fuck my skin is crawling
>>338560540
>mfw the next DLC for F4 is exactly this; you end up not getting into a vault and becoming a ghoul.
>>338560540
It's the constant Bethesda problem of having no fucking idea how the Fallout Universe works. It's like they watched Mad Men and all they took from it was that people smoked a lot, rather than looking deeper at the culture and society of the time.
>>338559806
>Skyrim is a vast improvement over Oblivion. They took next to nothing out while adding quite a bit and completely stepping up the visuals.
>>338555897
The thing I hate about pipe weapons is that they just don't look like what homemade firearms look like.
http://thehomegunsmith.com/
http://thehomegunsmith.com/firearm-archive.shtml
http://thehomegunsmith.com/firearm-archive.shtml
You can actually have some nice wood grips and barrels and such with a bit of craftsmanship.
>>338554768
I fucking miss the plasma pistol... I think I just miss New Vegas in general
>>338553389
>>338553518
>>338553175
Are you people retarded?
He turns it forward slightly.
>>338560697
Well according to Bethesda being close enough to an exploding full scale nuke will instantly turn you into a ghoul. Like fucking Moira.
It also disturbed me greatly that the protag and family sit and stare at a full scale nuke going off in Boston and don't die instantly, they don't get blinded, and they don't receive a single bit of radiation.
>>338559308
Faction quests in Fo4 are horribly bloated, considering they count all versions of shit like the Minutemen radiant quests. Though, to be fair, NV's chart contains a bit ofbear andbullshit like "Don't Tread on the Bearand bull"
>>338561367
True. Besides it's not just about quantity. It's also about quality.
>>338560920
What's worse is that they pay lip service to all the Pre-War lore and then completely disregard it, even when it's the basis for a large part of your character's backstory. I remember thinking that, when the game came out, there'd be several sequences where you experience flashbacks and get to further experience and define your character's Pre-War lifestyle, so as to justify different playstyles and roleplaying options. Goddamn, they managed to disappoint me even there.
>>338559441
Fuck. It happened again! Somebody get over here and che
>>338561773
>Bethesda's signature environmental storytelling acti
Hey what if we just, you know,kill todd
>>338561325
>It also disturbed me greatly that the protag and family sit and stare at a full scale nuke going off in Boston and don't die instantly, they don't get blinded, and they don't receive a single bit of radiation.
That irritated me too, especially considering the male protagonist was in the military and should know better.
One of the survivalist logs in Honest Hearts describes how the survivalist managed to survive the bombs literally by luck because he was turning away from where the bomb landed. Then he immediately closed his eyes so that he wouldn't be blinded and once the bombs stopped he opened his eyes and mercy killed two old people who had been blinded. Bethesda have no understanding of detail or realism.
>>338561753
I know, and it could have been great. You could actually get a glimpse into the annexation of Canada or the war with China and maybe the endless repetition of "War never changes" would have some weight, but no, it's a fucking buzzword that they throw around because it implies some depth.
>>338562027
you might just be on to something, anon
>>338562265
with todd out the way we could,get rid of gamebryo
>>338562098
It's so fucking bullshit, especially when places like the memory den exist. You can even go there before you find Kellogg and that patronizing doctor will put you in and let you experience a memory. Of course, instead of actually showing you anything before the opening sequence, you just flashback to the bit where Kellogg killed your family for the second of three times. Christ.
The failure of fallout 4 as a fallout game comes right near the start of the main quest, where you have to rescue nick. After you have blown your way through a vault full of gangsters and as you are going to leave, there is a forced conversation with a speech check which if you can pass, will allow you to leave without a fight.
Why is this not at the start of the encounter? Why can't I do a job or pay for nicks release or convince the boss to let him go? What kind of fucktard designed this game?
>>338562098
>One of the survivalist logs in Honest Hearts describes how the survivalist managed to survive the bombs literally by luck because he was turning away from where the bomb landed. Then he immediately closed his eyes so that he wouldn't be blinded and once the bombs stopped he opened his eyes and mercy killed two old people who had been blinded. Bethesda have no understanding of detail or realism.
I am almost never weepy over storytelling in movies or vidyagames or what have you. Even rarer for me to find the tired old "bad times happened to this guy, but not before he talked about it at length in a diary!" trope. But for whatever reason when I read these logs they legitimately got to me. I really felt for that poor fucker. They were really well done.
>>338562713
the only cool thing about it is slaughtering that bitchy woman.
no way i'm passing that speech check.
>>338562098
>>338562595
>>338562806
The degree of mismanagement and, really, disrespect Bethesda has to the IP is astounding. I mean for fuck's sake, the amount of people that are around waiting for the player to approach them as if the bomb dropped a week ago is fucking absurd. Chinese ghoul in a fucking submarine? A fucking ghoul child who has been stuck in a fridge for god knows how long? And hey, ghouls don't look like they're actually rotting humans in pain, they look like victims of a fire.
What's the most "mature" story Bethesda has made in their latest RPGs?
>>338535990
This triggered me so much. I like the reload animations, but why the FUCK does it have to put in 5 rounds when I shoot just one? Bethesda really cant fucking do anything right. They just best stick to flinging sticks and swords as atleast they can use the excuse that the prisoner character is a retard.
>>338544125
Its partially thanks to their shitty engines. Bethesda just cant fucking give up on re-using their old assets from 10 years ago and pick a new engine that would atleast allow for decent models, higher model counts and so on.
I guess we also have to think about them consoles that can only render 2npc's at 5fps, but aside from that. They really need to step it up.
>>338562958
mod list?
>>338562958
God help me, all I can think of is Molag Bal being the "Prince of Rape" and that featuring as background context for all the content in Skyrim's vampire expansion.
It's not mentioned or used effectively at all. It's just more info from older games and shit that Kirkbride guy probably wrote.
>>338563313
Buy the red engine cdpr used for witcher 3, problem solved.
>>338563453
why not idtech :^)
>>338562713
That's not all, anon. Where the goon returns to check on Nick after you bust him out, you can avoid him entirely, even unlocking the door and escaping without engaging in any combat whatsoever. Nick still says "We'd better get out of here before anyone notices him and his boys are missing." He'll just walk back into the hallway after that. It really seems like they had more stealth/nonlethal options planned for that dungeon and they just got cut, given how Nick talks about trying not to make a mess.
>>338562806
>But for whatever reason when I read these logs they legitimately got to me. I really felt for that poor fucker. They were really well done.
Every time I read the one where he meets that girl from vault 22 I fucking tear up. I think it works because you have this character who's exerted a level of control over zion to the extent that the tribals consider him to be a god, but he's so fallible and human. He escapes the bombs out of sheer luck, he almost starves to death and dies of radiation, his wife and son died and he wasn't there to die with them.
He's almost a mirror to Joshua Graham in that respect. They're both incredibly competent fighters, but they're also punished by their pasts, and act as protector figures to the tribes of zion. The question is whether you let Graham be consumed by his anger, or make him face his own problems.
>>338549854
>tfw you bought fallout
>tfw you bought the season pass
>tfw only far harbor was not complete shit
FUCKING TODD HOWARD! You LYING manlet! I fucking hate bethesda with a passion. I honestly hate myself so much for buying F4, its such a hollow, boring, not even an rpg that I just want to kill myself when I think about it.
The worst buyers remorse I have ever felt in my life.
>>338562958
Bethesda's most mature story in recent memory was the Pitt DLC, because every other word that comes out of anyone's mouth is fuck, motherfucker, or shit.
That's as mature as the company gets.
>>338562958
>What's the most "mature" story Bethesda has made in their latest RPGs?
The best I can remember is a book in Skyrim that's a diary of a family living through the siege of Windhelm (I think). It's got a sense of history and pathos to it that is completely lost on the game as a whole.
>>338563686
Todd never actually lied about Fallout
>>338537673
If one thing that pisses me off more than anything else in 4, it is the retarded fucking art direction on weapons.
You had literally had an AK Clone and a fucking CETME/G3 clone as well as M4/FN FAL clones to base your assault rifle off of. Yet you ghoose a fucking retardedly heavy looking water cooled Vickers wannabe
>>338563686
If you really want to hate yourself, you will watch
THE UNVEILING AT E3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5esyZPt5Jo
>you believed this man's lies
>>338563319
tale of two wastelands, a fuckton of texture mods and a enb
>>338563319
Sorry, not my webm.
>>338563843
Fallout 4? He lied about Fallout 3. Todd's a lying little fuckbucket. Look up his lies on Oblivion.
>"Being that we are Bethesda…everything gets a bit big. So as of last week we’re over 200 endings. That is not an exaggeration, but it deserves some description. 200 endings…that’s a lot. So originally when we started, we had various iterations of the ending. The ending is kind of cinematic, that’s dynamic based on the things you’ve done."
>>338564034
As usual the concept art looksmore interesting than any scenery in the game itself.
Also, a note for you anons in the future looking to become like Todd (a scamming, lying sack of shit), be vague. Like, ENDLESS QUESTS, DYNAMIC QUESTING, 1000 OF THE MOST POPULAR NAMES vague.
>>338549854
>mfw I bought itfrom a key site where it was probably stolen
>>338537673
>full size machinegun fit for the trenches
>weighs up to 20 pounds
>in 5.56
Like, I can't even reason to myself that it's some kind of far more powerful 5.56 round either. At the very least, I have a mod that makes the Assault Rifle use .308 and the Combat Rifle use the 5.56
Who's a bigger liar, Hillary Clinton or Todd Howard?
>>338551749
Best analogy I've seen in a while, well done anon
>>338564527
Donald Trump.
>>338549854
>pirated Fallout 4
>liked it
>bought it
>still like it and Far Harbor's even better
Stay mad.
>>338564378
lets stay on subject
When did he lie about Fallout 4? Answer me
>>338564527
TOOOOOOOOOO00OOOOO0OOOOOOOOOOOOOOO0O0OO00OOOOOOOOOOODD!!!!!
>>338556284
>be me
Hello friend, let me help you >>>/leddit/
Todd is only part of the problem.
Emil Pagliarulo needs to learn how to write a narrative longer than five pages.
>>338564736
That's not a quote
>>338564736
HAHA There is a fucking loading screen to the radio host's 2 square meter shack
>>338564595
Settlement building does not "just work," not even in regards to placement and snapping. You have to build things in a very specific order if you want to get certain parts to align or snap, the needs system is hugely fucked, pathing is a mess, the UI is horrible, and it is/was riddled with bugs and spawning problems like TV's draining happiness and brahmin spawning on roofs.
>>338538552
I wanna fuck that train
>>338563686
>buying season passes
You deserved it.
>>338565041
>T-that's not true
>yes it is, fucktard
>IT DOESN'T MATTER, FUCK YOU AND FUCK THE THIS FICTIONAL WORLD WE BOUGHT!!
>>338564845
Looks like all articles were misinterpretations of what he said, my bad.
>>338565002
You're still trying to change the subject
Listen anon you don't have to reply, it's fine that you're wrong
They should have gone with static, upgradable, purposely designed settlements instead of the hamfisted shit they made.
An improved version of the Raven Rock development, or the Hearthfires housing, would have been much better than the freeform meaningless shit we got.
>>338558213
b-but in the 1950s they'd moved past that shit
>>338565306
Different anon; that was the first time I replied to you. In any case, Todd said settlement building "just worked" and proceeded to present a variety of ways in which it did. Upon release, this did not hold true thanks to a bevy of bugs and other design issues. In that sense, Todd most definitely lied. Despite his claims, settlement building did not "just work."
>>338565606
Painting, literature and music are also entertainment, you fucking retard.
>>338565606
>I SET MY OWN BAR LOW WHY WONT YOU ALL COME WALLOW IN SHIT WITH ME?!
>>338565606
WHY ARE YOU TAKING FILM SERIOUSLY
JESUS CHRIST
YOU'RE FUCKING CHILDREN
THIS ISN'T PAINTING OF LITERATURE OR MUSIC IT'S FUCKING ENTERTAINMENT
>>338565510
>I'm not myself anymore
Anon it's very hard to believe that the other anon stopped replying for no reason and then you swooped in to continue his argument the same way he was
You're wrong, no one outside of this thread will know you were wrong, you don't need to defend yourself
>>338565685
No, they are artforms.
That's beyond entertainment.
All art is entertainment but not all entertainment is art.
>>338565606
Are you retarded? And you're on a vidya board. We're all passionate about videogames, on a videogame board, you know? Do you tell people to get a life on art forums too?
>>338565768
Where did I say film was exempt?
>>338565759
Do you seriously think videogames are art, worthy of high consideration?
>>338565839
>Do you tell people to get a life on art forums too?
No, because they are doing something valuable.
>>338565921
Why are you even on this board?
>>338564827
Also how to write a narrative that doesn't involve daddy issues.
>>338565820
>Art is any form of expression meant to convey meaning. Often through a subtext.
>Entertainment is shit that entertains.
>Videogames do both.
>They don't count because reasons.
>Say it's because "art" has an intangible and wholly pretentious meaning beyond comprehension when pressed for answers.
>???
>Profit
>>338565818
>Anon it's very hard to believe that the other anon stopped replying for no reason and then you swooped in to continue his argument the same way he was
Literally the norm on 4chan, newfriend. He's a different anon and I'm the original anon.
I can't point out shit he outright lied about when it comes to Fallout 4 because I didn't follow the press coverage. He's still a lying cunt though, like I already have shown, so just because he didn't lie about one game really changes nothing.
>>338565921
Please kill yourself. Not having a fucking "are videogames art?" discussion on a shitting-on-Bethesda-thread.
>>338566012
Because I was wondering if anyone was talking about how much better Far Harbor is than Fallout 4
>>338566073
Videogames aren't art because they do nothing better than any other medium and they do not exist solely as artistic expression. Games are meant to entertain a person first and foremost.
>>338565820
>they are artforms
Wow, amazing art...
>>338536235
VATS is so fucking pointless. Good thing the gunplay is better because the game would be unplayable otherwise.
>>338565818
Alright, anon. Feel free to disregard the actual content of my argument, while you're at it.
>>338566191
Oh wow! Which memed YouTube "Modern art is crap" video did you get this from? I bet from h3h3 huh?
>>338566175
Literally no one was saying Videogames are art before you showed up
>>338566175
Movies aren't art because they do nothing better than any other medium and they do not exist solely as artistic expression. Movies are meant to entertain a person first and foremost.
>>338560540
That actually sounds amazing.
Even uses different SPECIAL and Skill checks. 5/5 breddy good.
>>338565510
he would have lied if it literally didn't work, but it did work, bugs doesn't mean it didn't.
>>338566302
>Literally no one was saying Videogames are art before you showed up
The obsession over minute details of videogames, as if they are worth indepth "criticism" (if you can critique a game the same way you can Webern's Symphony) is exactly thinking videogames are art.
>>338566320
Again, where did I say film was exempt?
>>338566107
>>338566249
>Literally the norm on 4chan
anon only one of you can reply at one time, replying to me twice does not make it go away
Your argument fell through and you tried changing it to how you didn't like settlement building, no one will know that you personally were wrong
This is the last reply you will receive
>>338566418
>minute details of videogames
>explicit lore that was ignored is now "minute details"
>>338566447
kek'd
>>338566418
Paintings aren't art because they do nothing better than any other medium and they do not exist solely as artistic expression. Paintings are meant to entertain a person first and foremost.
Songs aren't art because they do nothing better than any other medium and they do not exist solely as artistic expression. Songs are meant to entertain a person first and foremost.
Books aren't art because they do nothing better than any other medium and they do not exist solely as artistic expression. Books are meant to entertain a person first and foremost.
>>338566442
Yep, it's definitely not that Todd said settlement building "just worked" when, in fact, several features are completely broken like NPC pathing and needs allocation. It's okay that you have no retort beyond calling samefag, anon.
>>338565606
>it's only a billion dollar industry, why take it seriously?
>jobs depend on quality and advertisement based on said medium, why take it seriously
>it's only your time and money, why take it seriously?
>>338566447
>The painting isn't fallout 4
pls
>>338566510
It's a fucking videogame, quit this obsession with fucking lore.
All that matters is how much fun it is. It's not a medium for continuity, structure, progression, struggle, etc.
I never finished F4 (because it sucked), but it seemed so laughably obvious that the Sole Survivor was going to turn out to be a synth I just kind of assumed that was the case.
I just now heard that the DLC apparently confirms that. Is this true? For some reason, that lame ass surprise turning up in the DLC rather than the main game makes it feel so much worse.
>>338566606
>Paintings are meant to entertain a person first and foremost.
Completely false.
>Songs are meant to entertain a person first and foremost.
Only the small subset of music in the Top100/Billboard charts.
>Books are meant to entertain a person first and foremost.
Only the NYT bestsellers.
ITT
the same people who shit on some gun designs for not being realistic at all praise goofy looking weapons from previous fallouts because it fits the lore
stay classy /v/
>>338566418
>he believes art was originally made to please people and not to make money
Yeah, because Da Vinci, Michelangelo and such never asked for money from Kings, the Church and Lords to make their art, right?
>>338566632
Troll or retard. Either way, there's no argument here. Ignore this bait.
>>338566632
I have fun with consistency of interest and lore but fun only matters when you're having it, right?
>>338566692
>I just now heard that the DLC apparently confirms that. Is this true? For some reason, that lame ass surprise turning up in the DLC rather than the main game makes it feel so much worse.
No, it's suggested but not determined.
>>338566632
It's a fucking book, quit this obsession with fucking lore.
All that matters is how much fun it is. It's not a medium for continuity, structure, progression, struggle, etc.
>>338565606
Take a look at the picture in the ninth post above yours.
You sound like an even bigger bitch than that guy.
>>338566768
>Yeah, because Da Vinci, Michelangelo and such never asked for money from Kings, the Church and Lords to make their art, right?
What? How is that related to the discussion AT ALL?
>>338566801
>>338566805
Great arguments!
>>338566874
No matter how many times you post this is doesn't make it true.
Graduate from high school next week?
>>338566726
For every caveat you find for things you value, there is an equally valid caveat for gaming as art.
>>338566738
It doesn't have to make sense compared to the real world, it should make sense in its own world.
>>338549293
>Loading the stripper clip
The only people who think games are art or are valuable are high schoolers who don't know any good art and have no passion for art.
>>338566632
i like history and videogames so i also care about history in videogames
>>338564736
>not using anti adblock killer
lol
>>338566939
>I can't argue with these two posts so I'll group them together and give a 2 word reply
sique
>>338566939
>>338566632
Please ignore the masterbaitor
>another Fallout thread gets ruined by shitposters
Why it only happens with Fallout threads? It's like the second time today a good Fallout thread gets derailed...
>>338558427
It sure feels like they did
>reference Vera
>say she only got famous because of family connections
>have an NCR vet
>but it's pre-NV NCR
>reference the mojave
>"there's aliens underneath it ;)"
>copy hydra
>call it something else
wew lad
>>338566939
>What? How is that related to the discussion AT ALL?
Video games are art for the same reasons their paintings are art. They are acts of expression worthy of consideration, regardless of motivation.
>>338567146
>reference Vera
>say she only got famous because of family connections
But didn't Dead Money said she was really mediocre, that Domino only made her famous because he wanted to rob the Casino?
>>338567101
Because Obsidrones just can't get over the fact that we will never get a good 3D fallout game because of Obsidian
>>338567101
this was not a good fallout thread to begin with by any means, it's full with obisian drones
Considering the first definition, Videogames can be considered Art
>>338567426
>Fallout threads are only "good" when fans of the original games aren't present.
>>338567474
Technically with the second definition as well, some games are made specifically to look nice and are made by professional artists.
>Vidya isn't art
I want Roger Ebert to fuck on outta this thread
>>338567549
Exactly, people need to stop talking abvout those games, they're what? 10 years old? that's way too old a game to care abut.
>>338567549
correction
>Fallout threads are only "good" when f"ans of the original games" aren't present.
>>338567474
They embody or employ all three definitions. The only people who argue they're not art are pretentious old school memesters.
>>338566380
>this thing just works!
>except in the all the ways it doesn't, in fact, work
>even though some features are literally broken
>even though there's a bug that prevents you from using settlements entirely
It just works, amirite?
>>338567323
It's fucking Bethesda, what did you expect? That they have lore consistency and that the people that actually wrote the game played (and understood) the games before it? Whew lad.
Hi /v/. I love fallout 3, new vegas and 4. I never played the first two nor intend to. My favourite is new vegas.
>>338567665
They were important enough a target for Betheshit to buy up, chain to a wall, and rape for another decade.
So long as they parade her corpse around while wearing her skin, I'll talk about how they desecrated it.
Unrelated. I just reflexively clicked all pizzas on the captcha and clicked to proceed. As it closed I noticed it asked for soup. I feel like I just got away with murder.
>>338567696
Does it work? yes, are there bugs? Yes.
He never said it worked perfectly, if you wanted to out him as a liar theres plenty of things to choose.
Is it possible to pirate BoS?
I want to see how awful it actually is.
I played Tactics and enjoyed it for what it was. I wouldn't mind another squad based Fallout, though I would prefer it to be more open ended than Tactics.
>>338567426
Yeah it sucks that long term fans discuss the short comings of the latest game, fuck those guys xD
>>338567474
>>338567584
>>338567691
>using a dictionary
>not having education in art theory
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>>338567949
>Muh circlejerk pretention hugbox told me so!
>I got a degree in literally nothing!
Your dad must be so proud of his other son.
>>338567862
Something does not "just work" when it is riddled with bugs that prevent it from working, sometimes entirely. It is a lie, both in its intent and its actual phrasing. If your car refused to start one day, would the dealer have told the truth if he had previously told you "it just works?"
>>338568159
Great argument!
When do you start college?
>>338567949
I have an education on throwing random splots of paint onto good paper, does that count?
>>338566632
It is when you claim to be writing a good story or claim to create a good immersive world for it.
>>338567909
"long term fans" are no the correct words you're looking for, obsidrones are not fans of any other game than New Vegas, they will claim to be fans of the first two games but lack any understanding of them.
Fallout 3 was the death of the series, NV was the final nail in the coffin, and Fallout 4 was the burial
>>338567636
Roger Ebert was a jawless hack fraud faggot.
>>338568212
Yes? If I managed to have drive the fucking car out of there in the first place, that's a terrible analogy by the way.
>>338568236
Your arguments aren't any better, man
>>338568405
He knew more than you about art.
>>338568243
Another great argument!
see >>338568236
>>338568517
Correct me if I'm wrong but Roger is dead and Anon over there isn't.
Testing.
Whacky 50's.
Testing.
>>338568507
My arguments are based on actually knowing a timeline of art, and what makes good art across time. It's a thoughtful application of aesthetics that brings a revolutionary understanding to the audience. I've never played a videogame that did this, it's all trite shit done by other, better mediums.
>>338568379
I wouldn't say NV was the nail in the coffin, it was definitely better than 3, but it pales in comparison to 1 and 2.
>>338568591
>Anon over there isn't.
thats what you think
>>338568236
>Has no argument
>Gets mocked
>Goes full Dunning Kruger
Now this is art.
>>338568618
>My arguments are based on actually knowing a timeline of art, and what makes good art across time. It's a thoughtful application of aesthetics that brings a revolutionary understanding to the audience.
Alright, can you show any of this?
>inb4 You guys wouldn't understand
>>338568667
Someone screencap this thread, we can probably sell the cap on ebay for 2000 dijiridoos
>>338558613
I bought the Season Passbefore you guys jacked the price up
>>338554457
i like the design of that gun since its designed to be used with power armor
>>338568487
You're right, it is a shitty analogy.
In any case, how is Todd saying the settlement system "just works" not a lie when there are several ways it flat-out does not work at all?
>>338568731
>Alright, can you show any of this?
Music's my forte, though knowing the visual art aesthetics as well was crucial (I just can't link specific examples). Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA6oq_UYbyA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rzBhYMvnMKQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjpFi9bn1do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=as7DpXhnpac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdXgijZVdPs
>>338549854
>I didn't buy it, my brother did
>he also bought he season pass day one
Boy am I glad I didn't waste money on this. It's not worth the $90 he paid
>>338555897
I don't get your problem. Only a few factions have proper gunsmith like the brotherhood of steel.
Your average settlers is gonna have to make do with just piecing together bits from old broken guns and literal pipes. Hence the proliferation of pipes weapons.
I mean sure it's dumb after 200 years but that apply to everything in fallout.
>>338568618
>Knows "a timeline of art"
>Doesn't appreciate the irony in his deriding games as a new medium of art when literally every single artist in Current Year, whichever year through history that actually was, was mocked for their lack of artistry, being called talentless and worthless at worst, or only good for family portraits and novelty at best
>Goes on to say that because he cannot appreciate it, it is not art
>Can't appreciate how fucking retarded and backward that logic is and how easily abused when turned on every other form of art
Haven't laughed like this in a good long while. Thanks Anon.
>>338560457
normies dont want another obsidian fallout. NV was received worse than 3 because of leveled areas and it wasn't wacky enough and some of your choices even had consequence.
Its a branding issue
>>338569128
>new medium of art
>50 years ago
Opera had its first masterwork within what, 10 years?
Bildungsroman as well.
And the Program Symphony and the Symphonic Poem and the...
Well, you get the point I think. :)
>>338569378
Sorry, you call that art? I can't appreciate it so it doesn't count.
>>338569478
I call it art because they were brand new ideas.
Which videogames have never had.
>>338557104
>nuke catapults carried by infantrymen
Yeah I mean it's utterly ridiculous, no one ever do that.
>>338569609
Pictured: Not a nuke catapult carried by an infantryman
>>338569609
It's not about physical probability but the fact that people wouldn't do it in the universe.
>ITT: anons thinking it's easy to summarize what is art and what isn't art in the 21th century
We live in such a globalized world that claiming something is or isn't art is a difficult task.
Everyone has different opinions and, thanks to the internet, means they can to defend their opinion.
People may claim 50 Shades of Grey is art because it makes primal needs such as lust come forth, other people may claim it isn't art because of the exact same reason.
It's a difficult task and not one to be argued over a Fallout thread.
>>338569601
Oh. Art is only brand new ideas? So nothing is art after the first. Thanks for the clarification. Thanks to 4chan I now know art has been dead for hundreds of thousands of years.
>>338569828
How old are you? I'm curious.
>>338555061
First time I 'built' this I was so disappointed.
First of many.
Disappointments, that is. I was disappointed.
>>338569609
Fun fact. This is not a nuke catapult carried by an infantryman. Further, you can't even fucking use this if the wind conditions and lay of the land you want to operate in aren't perfect because radiation is a serious fucking deal.
>>338569828
Allow me to remind you that you had him cornered on the actual definition but he refused it so he could hopefully continue shitposting.
>Create a painting
>Its art
>Create a digital copy of same painting and put it in a vidya
>It becomes not-art
>Chisel out a statue
>Its art
>Create a three-dimensional polygonal model of same statue and put it in vidya
>It becomes not-art
>>338570152
>Make Transformers 1
>it's not art
>Make Transformers 1 but add a Rothko for 10 seconds
>it's art
Stunning logic!
>>338570152
There's a considerably greater degree ofartistryinvolved in the act of painting and sculpting.
>>338570152
>>338570304
>Take a shit on a piece of paper.
>its not art
>Tell them it is art because the shit represents humanity and the paper represents the universe
>Get a Nobel Peace prize for such a deep message.
>>338570517
...how old are you? You seem like you're in high school still.
>>338570386
Fallout's talking heads took months to do alone. Sounds like a lot grand artistic blend of traditional and digital practices.
>>338570517
Thanks, now i know how to get rich
>>338570386
Yes and making a texture or a mesh or making code doesn't require any of that.
Right?
>>338570684
Yeah definitely in high school.
>>338570386
You honestly believe that coordinating multiple classic forms of art into a cohesive whole is not a merit worth exploring? Using interactivity, sight, and hearing to convey things that before this medium were impossible to convey is an underutilized well, but it's not bereft of water.
Video games are just an incredibly obtuse medium for artistic expression. But they are no less valid than anything else.
There is not a single video game that has brought a new artistic idea into the world.
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