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A new Project Meme is born.
Maybe they can take all the stages from the shittier half of the game and make a full version of the game playable on wiiu.
>make the game more competitively focused
Oh good unbalanced shit like Project M
>>338535312
I don't want another fucking PM. Just add a fan patch to buff the low tiers. THATS IT.
Remove downthrow combos.
>>338535312
>changing every single character in the game to make the game more fast paced and competitive.
I couldn't read that without chuckling
>>338535483
Yeah but first they're going to turn them all into shitty battlefield clones.
But the regular Sm4sh Wii U game is already highly competitive.
>>338536121
And Big Battlefield will be the same exact size as regular Battlefield because it was originally "too big".
>>338536121
>75m is a good stage.
>>338536962
>all stages are as bad as 75m
>>338537002
>I want to fuck Great Cave Offensive.
Fuck just when the first project meme finally died off.
>>338537089
My sexual preferences aside, Project M fucked plenty of perfectly acceptable stages and left the game with nothing interesting to actually play on.
>>338537153
Why do you think it died off?
>>338535312
Place your bets people, which characters is going to get butcherd like Olimar in Project M? My money is on Ryu
Nah, fuck off, the game is perfectly competitive as is
We don't need a third Melee clone
Now if it's just changes stage shit (like taking away stage hazards) and have shit like all characters unlocked, more like a 20XX, that would be cool
>>338535312
So when are they bringing Snake back?
>>338535312
Smooth Lander on everyone automatically.
>>338537247
I would really like to know what the people who made Project M were thinking when they worked on the Wario stage.
>>338537290
>project m olimar
>worse than sm4h olimar
>>338537247
>Project M fucked plenty of perfectly acceptable stages and left the game with nothing interesting to actually play on.
So don't install them
>project shit at it again
>>338537384
He didn't add anything that makes it like Melee. He just gave characters buffs and removed hazards from otherwise illegal stages.
http://gamebanana.com/gamefiles/4535
>>338537290
Anybody's who isn't Shiek, Fox, or Falco.
>>338535312
>No IOSU exploit
nah. I'll wait another 5 years.
>>338537705
>He just gave characters buffs
this seems like a really fucking bad idea right now
>>338537506
With that recovery? Yes
>>338537725
Forgot Marth
>>338537456
You want the game to turn into Smash 64, but worse? Shield breaker combos everywhere?
Why? The base game plays fine as is. Not the most hyper competitive game on the market, but it's not so bad that you really need to modify and change every character.
>>338535312
Brawl - >>>>>>>>> Project Meme
>>338538067
>Sakurai can do no wrong.
>>338537829
Depends on how much they will get buffed, I can name plenty of characters that are are still in dire need of help but have been neglected.
I'm sure there will be space for balences if anything gets out of hand.
>>338538067
>>>>>>>> tr4sh
>>338537863
Oh yeah, I knew I forgot somebody. And they\ll add momentum again so they can weird dash thing. I'm not talking about wave-dashing, but where they just go back and forth alternatively, just making a dust cloud.
>>338535312
>1.0.1 changelog : - Recloned Falco
>>338538067
I'm sad they got rid of Ganondorf's Sun projectile in favor of some weak-looking gay darkness shit
>>338538172
It seems like a really bad idea because the game is still getting patches and the meta isn't remotely settled
>>338538114
>Brawl -
>Minus
>By Masahiro Sakurai
>Project M 2.0
lets get this shit started
>>338538000
Yes, and someJump Momentumwould be great too.
>>338535312
I want a Ichigo mod with Clouds move set. It's pretty much perfect.
>>338538368
Literally scroll down the page and read.
"At this time, I do not want to start changing characters around until we know that they are going to stop patching Smash. Once they do stop, hopefully we will be able to do a lot more with characters, and I can start implementing the changes that I am planning on doing."
I don't want another Project M. I just want buffs to low tier characters and the removal of boss characters. Seriously, there should've been a way to trigger them off in the first place, they ruin perfectly fine stages like the Megaman stage and Pyrosphere.
>>338538623
I'm just going off what >>338537705 said, fuck off
>>338538524
That's not something you can do by just enabling specific custom equipment, though.
>>338538524
>Jump Momentum
>In the same game where Sonic is in.
There's a reason PMDT nerfed Sonic to oblivion. The only reason it's needed is for characters like Falcon, Fox, Marth and Mario but put on a character like Sonic and watch him open that game's asshole up like crazy
>>338538198
Dash dancing you uncultured swine, why are better movement options a bad thing?
>>338538959
What use is dash-dancing in a game with no momentum, or when you do it for no reason whatsoever?
>>338538198
get out of here you filthy casual
>>338535312
Please. No. Stop. I don't want anymore of this mod bullshit. The game is okay as is. I would go so far as to say it's good. Maybe some minor buffing to some of the lower end characters, fine. But, overhauling the entire cast? No. No. No. Noooooooo.
No mod will fix Sm4sh until debugging is possible.
>>338538959
I'm not sure what the big deal with dash dancing in Smash 4 would be anyway when the game already has perfect pivots
>>338537247
>>338537470
>I don't know about the hold L for alternate stages code they introduced
The last version has most of the original Brawl stages available except for the really shitty ones like 75m.
>>338537705
>Nobody modders thinking they know more about game balance than professional video game developers
Laughable.
Won't Nintendo stomp on them like they did with PM?
>>338535753
May as well make it like Melee, S4 is slow as molasses.
>>338539569
They didn't.
>>338539569
>this meme again
>>338539569
Nintendo didn't even do anything besides pulling strings to keep it out of EVO. They canceled it because the devs got cold feet.
>>338539569
Why would they? This will get more people to buy Wii Us if anything.
I find it quite amazing how fucking huge Smash 4 modding got in such little time
Skins are coming in like hotcakes on Gamebanana
>>338539987
We can also add our own music slots with replacing anything as well.
>>338539565
Professional video game developers are, usually, near the bottom in terms of how well they can balance a game. The biggest esports bucks right now are all in games that are derived from mods.
>>338540241
>those TF tracks
UUUNNNFFFF
All I want are reworked hitboxes so that they actually make sense
Seriously, just look at pic relatedJUST
>>338539987
>>338540241
Man, I really want to jump into modding this game but I also want to wait until after the NX has been out. It's suffering.
>>338539987
It's probably because 4 is basically just a retweaked Brawl.
I'm more happy for character mods than anything else.
>>338540241
I really need to figure out how to do this so I can add more Kirby music andPersona music.
>>338540306
Adding things is one thing, but deliberately fucking with the balance of a game is absurd because they think they know better when they likely just wanna buff their favorite characters that mean ol' Mr. Sakurai nerfed.
>>338535312
I wouldn't mind a PM styled mod but I hope it just isn't some random gameplay and character balance changes stabled together.
In addition to all that, what I liked about Project M was all the extra goodies they managed to stuff in. The alternate stage loader, the alternate costumes, All-Star Vesus, bringing back some old characters, etc Smash 4 has already been shown to be much more flexible and fluid to generally mod, so I'd want to see something take advantage of that. For example, not only can we freely add alt costumes without replacing anything, but we can have up to 263 for each character and each costume can have their own voice clips and sfx and shit. Imagine Project M's Fox and Falco costumes, but this time actually having their voice clips from Melee proper.
>>338539565
Even assuming the developers are perfectly competent, they're only going to put the balance work in if they have time and they're getting paid. Nintendo has better things to do than keep up with the Smash4 meta, so there's nothing wrong with someone doing itfor free.
And if any balance work is done by Nintendo, it would be to the four player, items on, casual players, whacky stages gameplay. Having several different versions of the game to cater to different demographics can only be a good thing.
>>338537247
You know they added an alternate stage loader, right? They also added a bunch of casual-aimed stages like the N64 remasters, unless you think people play on Saffron City competitively even without the Pokémon coming out of the doors.
>>338535312
I'm skeptical of this, though. If they get through a few versions with the dev team intact I'll be more optimistic, but I'm not sure yet. What's in the current release?
>>338540501
I'm pretty sure it's really because, unlike Brawl, this game was designed to get new content through DLC.
>>338540791
The idea is to play around the balance, not build the balance around the variables known as humans. You could spend centuries changing the balance constantly, and you'd never satisfy everyone. Even this isn't going to satisfy everyone, and they'll probably stop too when they also feel they've "perfected" it.
here's a bonus
I need to get around to add more tracks to Midgar.
If they don't fuck around with the game mechanics and it's just new or altered stages and new modes this would be really cool
Time to show off some alts.
>>338541051
what's the limit for these?
>>338541336
Some say 40 for each stage, but I heard it can go higher than that or something.
>>338540990
>The idea is to play around the balance, not build the balance around the variables known as humans.
Which is why every competitive game features regular balance patches. Can you restate your argument in a way that doesn't make you look completely retarded?
>You could spend centuries changing the balance constantly, and you'd never satisfy everyone.
Balance isn't about satisfying anyone, it's about making all 1v1 matchups fair between equally skilled players. This ideal balance will probably never be reached, but there's no "satisfying" involved -- balance can be empirically measured.
>>338539565
>Pre-patch Bayonetta
>Hoo-Haa
>they know more about game balance than professional video game developers
>professional video game developers
>professional
>>338535312
I hope they get sued by nintendo
>>338539569
Nobody "stomped" PM Dev Team except for their own paranoia and shitty "video game lawyers."
>>338535509
What was so bad about project M more than any other smash at the time?
>>338535312
I've never seen a fanbase that not only hates themselves, but also dislikes the very game they play so much.
>Casuals constantly butthurt about 70% of the cast being flowchart and not fun
>Remainder of the fanbase tries to make the game play nothing like it's supposed to
>Smash "fans"
Does nobody see the irony in this?
>>338541661
>>338541231
is there a more greenish megaman
>>338541661
>the crooked part on the helmet
What a shame we could never get costumes like that officialy.
People are dumb
this means probably new content
Imagine if you could play the 3DS stages on the Wii U
As long as they don't fuck with the base game it's alright.
>>338536602
>tr4shcans actually believe this
>>338541831
I feel ya, but some characters are literally shit. People just need to leave the drama out of it.
>>338540241
>>338541051
I am super hype for the return of custom music, but not too thrilled with the idea of gameplay adjustment mods. Smash4 plays just fine.
>>338538870
Jump Momentum wasn't even part of a fraction of the reason why Sonic was nerfed. What in the fuck are you talking about.
>>338540990
A game will usually never be 100% balanced, but it shouldn't be unbalanced to the point where there are characters on the select screen that you don't even bother picking because it's basically an invitation to rape 8 / 10 times.
>>338537705
>removed hazards from otherwise illegal stages.
That's all I wanted. He's my hero.
>>338541831
Wanting a new entry into the series to play like your favorite entry in the series is now equivalent to hating the series.
Liking the series so much that you will spend hours and hours of free time perfecting it is now equivalent to hating the series.
The Warcraft and Elder Scrolls series were hated by their fanbases too, by this logic.
>>338541051
>>338540241
Is there a guide for custom music that are open to everyone or is it closed to a group of people?
>check it out
>literally nothing has changed other than removing hazards and changing the title screen
Why are you guys getting hyped? They haven't done anything yet.
And on the flipside, why do so many people want it to fail? If you don't like a mod, don't use it. They haven't removed the vanilla game.
>>338541831
Melee fans are different from Smash 4 fans. Obviously there's a lot of overlap and people who like both, but those two games are hugely different from each other. If you like Melee for its gameplay but hate Smash 4's gameplay, you're still a Smash Bros. fan, just not a fan of Sakurai's anti-competitive stance that he's taken for Brawl and Smash 4. If you just like Smash casually and like its roster, and don't like the high skill ceiling of competitive Melee, you're still a Smash Bros. fan, you just dislike competitive play and don't care for Melee because that's the crowd it brings.
>>338541920
BBA Mega Man's also a bit chubbier than regular Mega Man which is a nice touch.
So can they just turn the Final Destination switch into a Hazard switch?
Nobody likes being able to turn every stage into final destination, do they?
>>338535312
There are zero reasons to oppose this.
>>338535312
I was scrolling then i saw this image
Oh no.... was all i thought.
ADD RIDLEY
Are there any 3DS mods yet?
>>338542497
why do people hate hazards too much? for the most part they affect everyone equally and you can predict them. It spices gameplay other than just killing your opponent
or am I missing something?
>>338540241
THIS IS ALL YOU NEEDED TO DO SAKURAI
LIKE SERIOUSLY
YOU COULD PICK ANY TWO TRACKS FROM TF YOU WANTED AND YOU CHOSE TO MAKE ONE OF THEM ANOTHER FUCKING JUNGLE HIJINX
>>338542773
>muh competitive playing field
>muh RNG
>>338542773
Because the option to remove all hazards would be a million times better than turning it into Final Destination.
If that's what it did I'd actually use the fucking thing, if I wanted to play on Final Destination I literally just fucking would.
>>338542378
i would also like to know
>>338542773
They're fine in concept, but recently a lot of them have been really intrusive to the actual fighting. Yellow Devil would would be fine if he didn't show up constantly every two minutes to smear his yellow shit across the entire map.
>>338541661
IS THAT FUCKING GRAND DAD
>>338542773
Because Yellow Devil is shit
>>338543080
FLEENSTONES?!
>>338542916
well yeah I also hate Final Destination
>>338542901
RNG gimmicks make sense, but most hazards aren't like that.
Yeah Yellow Devil is garbage like >>338543067 and >>338543098
say though
I dunno, I never found hazards to be unfair, I'd rather have new stages layouts than just a copypaste without hazards.
>>338542773
Because some perfectly fine stages get absolutely ruined by shitty hazards.
Gamer is how you do hazards right.
>>338542773
This provides some explanation:
http://supersmashbros.wikia.com/wiki/Banned_stage
>That's Mama Luigi to you, Mario!
Does anyone know where I can find a dump of 1.1.6? I want to start adding music but I don't want to leave my Wii U on all night dumping it myself.
>>338543291
It's less about "all hazards are unfair" and more "why not take this useless feature and turn it into something many players will like"
>>338543303
>Gamer is how you do hazards right.
And yet every "competitive" (I'm using the word lightly here) fag hates gamer.
>>338539594
so was Melee, hald the cast were slow as shit.
>>338543475
Because they're massive fucking faggots.
>tfw none of this modding shit goes to 3ds
PLEASE
>>338543475
I never hear anyone complain about it on /v/eekend. Nobody on /v/eekend is a high level player of course but a lot of them are "competitive."
>another Melee clone
>again
Just balance the characters. That's it.
Will this ever get to the point where you can add all the 3DS stages to Wii U? If not I'm not interested. Being able to play everything on one system is all I need really. None of this muh balanced competition autism.
>>338543545
The 3DS is significantly weaker than the Wii U and you can't do as much with it.
I hope it fucking rots, it took away my Ice Climbers. Hell, if there was no 3DS version we'd probably have a better game overall because they wouldn't have to shift so many man-hours to making it.
>>338535312
Cant wait for the C&D from Nintendo.
Modding an old game is one thing, modding a game on their current gen?
Lawsuits incoming.
>>338543545
>playing gimped Smash in the first place.
Do you play this, too?
>>338543741
There's limitless slots for stages and characters so probably.
It doesn't display on the screen though, but there exists autismal friends that are already looking into that anyway.
>>338543829
To be fair, the Wii U won't be their "current gen" for much longer.
>>338540417
>Meanwhile, characters like Falcon can kill you with the thin air round their moves
I didn't know DDD was -that- bad, though
>>338543829
Project M started when the Wii was current gen. Project M took a few years to get big, sure, but it's not like this is going to get huge overnight when they've done nothing but remove hazards.
Also why do you want it to be C&D'd? You can just ignore it. Do you want every other person making custom skins and music packs and stage edits to get C&D'd, or are you just angry because this is aimed at a competitive crowd?
>>338543947
To be fair, you're a fucking inbred moron who shoudve been aborted with a coat hanger.
>>338543303
The Wario stages are fucking based as a whole.
>>338535312
jesus CHRIST
>>338543845
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feAWdXVvc0U
dunno senpai, seems pretty decent
>>338535312
just make Wario into PM Wario, he was perfect
>>338544145
>you can just ignore it
Right back at you autismo.
You can just ignore this game. No one asked you autists to turn it into a melee clone.
>>338540417
I understand that that hitbox is somewhat nonsensical, but the hammer goes by so fast, it doesn't even matter.
How come do Nintendrones on /v/ always get triggered by mods of games they don't even have to play?
Every other gaming community embraces mods as an enhancement to the exp, but Smashtards always throw a fit over how other people wanna play their game.
PM will never happen again because after that fiasco, no major tourneys are ever gonna host it.
Relax. And enjoy seeing Smash WiiU get good gameplay and new characters.
>>338544247
The difference here is people are taking constructive efforts to make it more like what they enjoy, while you want something destructive to happen to this mod (that probably won't go anywhere) because it doesn't suit you. People might want to play as Ryu or Cloud with more competitive gameplay, just look at how much people love characters like Ike and Wario in Project M.
if you have to mod this game to be more of a competitive fighting game then theres something wrong here
>>338544746
No shit.
Sakurai has openly stated Smash WiiU isn't meant to be competitive, and the game is lacking the proper mechanics to be so.
>>338543475
The people in my scene love it for FFAs and some cheeky fuckers have even gentleman rule'd their way into it in pools matches or something, but I'm still fairly certain nobody would pick it in a tournament match they were truly determined to win because the prospect of getting fucked over by Mom at a critical moment doesn't sound too hot. That said our local scene is very lenient when it comes to stage lists compared to what you see in most tournaments around the rest of the world. When it comes to stage hazards, there are some stages where it is exactly as you've said (Halberd) and that's considered okay. (Although everyone hates picking Halberd for the low as fuck ceiling, lol.) Then there's stages that just totally change the game's focus into something else (Wrecking Crew) and that's not something you really want, is it? Also transforming stages are nice and that's why we currently play with Delfino, Wuhu, Skyloft and Siege (although again a lot people have misgivings with Siege for other reasons lol) but stages that have walkoffs at all times (WiiFit Studio) make for unfun matchups all around.
>>338535312
>Changing every single character in the game.
All 55? Are they stupid or something. Even being generous the next Smash Bros will probably be out before they finish even half the cast.
>>338544529
That's because no other modding community reached the amount of autism PM has.
Is this the birth of a new meme?
>>338544529
Either "muh original creator's intention" or "muh series's integrity". It's like mother 4, babies are upset a cool little fan project looks good. Not only but even if say mother 4 is shit actually what harm does it do? I understand if the product is shit ir uf it's being sold but it's mostly just idiots being buttblasted about something stupid.
>>338544681
>constructive
Nah, it is destructive.
Its a bunch of autists destroying an established game to reduce it to a shitty outdated version.
>>338544529
The gameplay is fine if you're not a competitivefag.
What pisses me off MORE is the absolutely atrocious single player.
>Ruined Classic Mode and Break the Targets
>No Adventure Mode
>No Board the Platforms or Race to the Finish
>Smash Run isn't on the Wii Version because "muh exclusivity"
>Smash Tour is a shitty version of Mario Party and makes 10 look like 6
>playing Smash for the singleplayer
That doesn't excuse shit, both 64 and Melee had god-tier multiplayer.
>>338545146
>>338545146
a slight change is still a change.
>>338541231
>>338541661
>>338541958
>>338543359
These simple color alternates are so perfect
Considering you can add a shit ton of costumes without replacing current ones, i'm hoping they throw in more official alts in the alleged NX port
>>338543529
>not wanting your skill to be the reason you win
Get away from here you massive fucking casual
>>338545298
>That doesn't excuse shit, both 64 and Melee had god-tier multiplayer.
single player*
>>338545346
>someone said there were around 200 extra costume slots on the disc
>the way they added characters in project m is by using the leftover costume slots + clone engine
>TWO HUNDRED SLOTS FOR CHARACTERS/ALTS
fuck me sm4sh modding is going to be incredible
>>338545118
That's more or less it
Some gimmics are fun and fair and shouldn't be deleted if there is an eventual M version of it. Shifting stages are also for the most part fine as well.
>>338545364
GO PLAY ON FINAL DESTINATION THEN YOU TRYHARD FUCK
>>338545146
Project M got to 3.0 (a.k.a. every character was rebalanced) before Smash 4 was released, and that's 41 characters, two of which weren't in the original game. This probably won't be that fast because Brawl modding had progressed a lot more when they started compared to where Smash 4 modding is, but this will probably be more like Brawl+ than Project M anyway, with the physics kept close to the vanilla game.
>>338545247
(You)
>>338545146
PM modded most of the already. Just port those over and work on the newcomers.
Just give us more costumes already. Even Sony Smash had plenty of them.
>>338545298
you're right
I actually really enjoy Smash 4 competitively, but its single player content is pretty abysmal
It's nice that they brought back event mode, but that's kind of all there is
Smash Run was fun but only for 3DS, and then there's some shitty Angry Birds clones
>>338545364
>Implying being able to easily adapt to your environment isn't part of having skill
>>338542653
>ADD RIDLEY
?
>>338545589
You know Final Destination, even in Melee, favors some characters more than others, right? Spacies in Melee have a huge advantage against non-spacies on FD. You need a set of stages so people can pick and counterpick based on what gives them an advantage, because there's no stage that doesn't offer some benefit to some matchup.
>>338545298
>Race to the Finish
That would be impossible to balance. Under what circumstances could Ganondorf beat Sonic or Captain Falcon in a footrace? Honestly something like that only works if there's custom stats.
>Board the Platforms
>Break the Targets
Those were only feasible because there were 12 characters in Smash 64 and ~25 in Melee. Try making 55 personally tailored arenas each with their own assets.
>>338545298
>>338545829
remember how most people at launch fucking despised Smash Run
funny how it grew on most anyone I've talked to, hope it's not just a one-time mode
>>338546018
>that image
Wait, does this mean you can mod in DLC characters you don't own? Could I get Corrin this way (I already purchased every other character like a sheep)?
>>338546018
>playing as a bomb
>>338546338
Yes
stages too
Where and how can i mod my wii u? I never looked into it
>>338546259
>Under what circumstances could Ganondorf beat Sonic or Captain Falcon in a footrace?
Race to the Finish is single player, anon, it was in Classic mode for Smash 64 and I think Melee (not sure whether it was Classic or Adventure in Melee).
>>338535312
>make the game more competitively focused
>changing every single character in the game to make the game more fast paced and competitive.Can't you Smash players EVER be happy with what you got?
>>338546291
The only problem with it was the ending, it's not fun to randomly race 4 CPUs or whatever, it needed a proper boss
>>338545589
>FD
>not Battlefield
You really are a casual
>>338546018
MAKE THE 3DS MAGICANT PLAYABLE ON WII U AND MAKE FLYING MAN A PLAYABLE CHARACTER
>>338546474
I'm aware. In general I don't think Race to the Finish adds as much as the other modes you listed.
>>338546491
True.
>playing as Ganon because he is a WMD to mooks
>barely any run, everything else high as hell
>fucking race
>against Shulk
>mfw
>>338546480
They were with Melee. That's why they try to make every game like Melee but with more content.
>>338546018
>metal face
>>338546018
Probably a dumb question, but is that a real mod?
If so, what would happen if you selected one of the NPCs to play as?
>>338546430
http://pastebin.com/8u0WAyJC
I recommend doing the Loadiine guide first even if you don't want to pirate games just because it blocks updates on your Wii U (use 104.236.58.203 as your DNS though, not the one listed, Nintendo blocked the listed one), then follow the Smash guide.
Also you want to do at least the Loadiine part as soon as possible because Nintendo releases firmware updates on Mondays and there's a chance they could update tomorrow, in which case you'd be fucked.
Hopefully IOSU comes out soon and we don't have to be so fearful of updates.
oh boy this is gonna be trash
faster ≠better
4 easily has the best gameplay in the series
>>338545298
Don't forget Brawl too. Terrible gameplay, but the content was great, especially Subspace.
Smash 4's singleplayer content in general is pretty mediocre.
>>338546853
>4 easily has the best gameplay in the series
No aerial momentum.
Magnetic ledges.
There are other things but these two kill it the most.
Make him real and I'll take it.
Just bring back Wolf and Ice Climbers and put all the 3DS stages on the Wii U version, I don't give a fuck about anything else
>>338547148
>Wolf
Fuck yes.I wish he'd been added instead of Roy, even though I like the changes made to Roy.
>Omega Mode changes stages to be less bullshit instead of Final Destination variants so you can put all the 'serious' stages as Omega Mode variants and all the silly stages as non-Omega Mode
>More costumes/skins
>More music
>Custom characters and stages, eventually
Oh man. Maybe the Wii U won't be such a waste after all.
>>338547012
Nothing wrong with magnetic ledges. You just gotta learn to gimp better
>>338535312
Change the physics and ledges then we're good for now
>hit someone off stage
>they gently float back or go for an easy recovery
maybe bring back melee air dodges.
>>338547148
fuck the furries, keep wolf out
i still dont understand why people would want wolf in over any of the dlc characters we got. i even hear some people that wanted wolf over cloud, ryu, and bayonetta. wtf
>>338547057
JUST
DO IT
>>338547464
Why don't you run off stage and punch them out further?
>>338547542
he was cooler than all those except bayonetta
>>338541714
>>338539760
>>338539676
Fuck off kikes.
Oh god, I hope this doesn´t turn into PM again, Once they start changing shit, and the community (more like hive mind) embraces it, there is no room for opinion and no turning back.
Stage change discussion always ends in "muh competitiveness", new characters getting added is drama fuel for both the meme spouting fanatics and the detractors who think you can´t unironically like a character, and any attempt at having an opinion in moveset changes, ensures shitstorms.
"New move is objectively the best, adapt motherfucker!". SOME of them, like Snake´s darts and Wario´s shoulder tackle, were good, but I´m still not a fan of Lucas´ shitty neutral B, nor Pit´s horrendous UpB (though that one was partially justified by him already having insane recovery and it acting as a decent offensive move). There are others like Ganon´s cape flip, aka the one projectile reflector that doesn´t reflect shit because of the small window it has (yeah yeah, git gud and all, though I´ll agree that the float was badass).
I just want to play Smash without drama, and the PM community kinda turned me off from it, even though the mod itslef was quite well done.
>>338539987
Because Smash 4 is basically just an edited Brawl. The modding is mostly the same iirc so people don't have to spend like a year or two figuring out how to do shit.
The issue was just waiting for Wii U hacking to get more accessible.
>>338547542
I want him along with the DLC characters. But he would've been a better addition than Roy
Alucard + Dracula's Castle when?
>>338547661
why is pac-man on the bottom ina kirby
ame?
>>338547148
>Wolf
I'd rather have more clones than a Frankenstein's monster character. Then again if anything he's already a Sonic clone.
>>338535312
Good. Fuck the crybabies itt that don't want a better game. It's all flowchart shit. Hopefully Reloaded fixes that.
>>338547542
His gameplay is fucking sex in Project M.
I mean if Sakurai added him officially he wouldn't play like that so I think wanting him to get in via ballot is misguided, but he has appeal.
>>338547148
I don't think the Icies or most 3DS stages will happen, not unless Smash 4 modding is REALLY open. It's already seeming a lot more open than Brawl but there have to be limits eventually, and making custom hazards can't be easy. At most we'd see some stages like Lumiose that are just platforms moving in and out, and as much as I love the Ice Climbers I'm not sure if you can get two AI to work at once.
>>338547752
Castlevania games are shit tough. Why would anyone want them?
>>338535312
>more competitively focused
But Sm4sh is very competitive already. Why is this needed? Why not just add more shit to Melee or Project M?
Just why?
>>338547982
Castlevania games are quite known for being tough.
>>338547989
>But Sm4sh is very competitive already
It's more competitive than Brawl but that doesn't say much.
>Why not just add more shit to Melee or Project M?
Because Smash 4 has better graphics, more characters, more stages, and so far seems like it's going to be a much more open modding base than Brawl was.
And, as sad as it is to say, Project M is a lost cause now that the PMDT disbanded, the community refuses to leave its corpse and play any unofficial versions, and all the main places you can talk about Project M have outright banned discussion of the 3.61 leaks or anything created from them like Project M Community Complete. I fucking loved Project M, it was my favorite Smash game, but it's dead, and a new project on the newest Smash game might lead to something as good as the glory days of Project M before everything died.
>>338548442
>It's more competitive than Brawl but that doesn't say much.
It's also more competitive than Melee. Any game that has only one viable character in a cast of dozens is noncompetitive.
>>338548516
>Any game that has only one viable character in a cast of dozens is noncompetitive.
We aren't talking about Brawl, though.
>>338548442
>It's more competitive than Brawl but that doesn't say much
Any game is competitive if people think it is, I mean look at Horse Racing. How the fuck is horse racing competitive? People treat it competitively so it is.
As long as people compete playing Sm4sh, it's competitive.
>>338545298
>leaving Brawl out
Brawl easily had the best single-player
>>338548817
>implying horse racing isn't competitive
Look at this casual
>>338548775
>Yoshi in mid B after a long period in bottom tier
reminds me, what the hell's aMSa doing these days
>>338547989
Because it looks prettier and is not Melee
>>338549004
That one is outdated
Here's the current one
Are there any added combos?
>>338547956
Dude we can literally change all Smash 4 filesystem by now, it's wide open, we can add or remove stages as we wish, hell there are already custom ones.
>>338549224
>fan votes
>>338535312
>Reloaded
AYYYYYYYYY
>>338549348
Yeah I don't get it either
Fox having his own tier shouldn't be a thing
>>338547785
This better be bait.
>>338548817
>How the fuck is horse racing competitive?
I always thought horse racing was popular just as a form of gambling.
But, while you're right that anything can be done competitively, I think there's still a crucial difference between being played competitively and being suited for competition.
Pokémon is a prime example of this. Pokémon is played competitively but holy shit is it a bad game to do so. It's filled to the brim with RNG, teams can be cookie cutter as hell depending on the meta (2014 was a better year than most but just look at the results for the 2015 VGC tournament), it's a fucking horrible system. Anything CAN be competitive but not everything SHOULD be competitive.
>>338549224
>the first list to ot be produced by the Smash Back Room, but rather by fan votes and feedback.
I'm skeptical of this list.
>>338549332
Have we seen things like hazards yet? Just asking, I was looking at the custom stages on gamebanana and one said they aren't even able to add animated textures yet. I've also seen people say they can't import new models yet. I'm sure both of these things will be doable in the future, but it doesn't sound like everything is cracked wide open yet.
What happened to Project M? I haven't been keeping up.
>we can have Snake and Ice Climbers back
this is all I want, don't touch the game otherwise
>>338547989
Better graphics,more stages and characters?
>>338549639
That's because there isn't a proper level editor yet and those things still take time to code
Technically speaking we have access to the entire Smash 4 filesystem and coding. This means that we can, quite literally, change stages at will, as well as characters, UI, etc.
>>338540241
>can add Big Top Bop
>CAN ADD PUNCH BOWL
>>338548775
7 or 6 viable characters out of 26 doesn't make it balanced too.
>>338547982
Look man, if you wanted a (You) all you had to do was ask.
>>338535312
>no mention of mechanics being changed
not pm
>>338545298
>The gameplay is fine if you're not a competitivefag.
Casual Smash player here
Sm4sh isn't fun unless you play with 5+ people and items. Pm is the most fun for me, even without items.
>>338549712
It died back in December, the dev team talked to an amateur lawyer and got super spooked and disbanded. Knuckles and Lyn were almost done too; they even got leaked (along with some extra costumes and bugfixes) and finished by fans, but the PMDT still feel the need to police the forums like Nazis and stamp out and ban any discussion of the characters, and the majority of the community refuses to touch anything not expressively approved by the PMDT, so the community is dead as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEqrFBw2C_E
It's a shame too because Knuckles is so fun to play, it's the Ganondorf version of Sonic.
>>338547989
Because Smash 4 has WAAAAY less restrictions to its engine than Brawl and Melee due to being created for DLC.
Hint: Each character has around 230 costume slots, but Nintendo still isn't making costume DLC for them.
>>338549848
That's a good argument, I'll try to remain hopeful for the future then to see if these get done.
>>338549712
Most tournaments dropped it since Nintendo was getting more involved in sponsorship
Then the devs themselves discontinued development because they where afraid of Nintendo. They're making their own game now or something.
>>338549712
They stopped development and no longer host the files themselves because they want a 0% chance of getting sued and are now working on a new IP that's likely going to be a Smash-like.
>>338550342
>tribal echidna paint from sonic adventure
Why can't we just have a Sm4sh expansion pack? with new stages/characters/costumes and shit? I mean, it's not like there will never be a way to do so, with DLC stages/characters.
>>338550452
The bad thing is that loading time is atrocious, so if you want a full mod that doesn't take ages to load stuff we still need IOSU.
How easy is it to setup? Do you need to be on an earlier Wii-U firmware and have homebrew, or is it as easy as Project-M was?
>>338535312
No Wolf, no care.
>>338550921
It's not as easy as Project M but it can be done on current firmware, see >>338546842
I again urge to block updates so this shit doesn't get patched.
>>338549224
Fox and Marth should be tied. Marth doesn't really have really a bad matchup, only loosing slightly to Sheik and Puff (but these are highly debated MUs
>>338548865
>less varied Classic
>replaced unique target test stages testing each character's abilities with 5 generic ones
>Homerun Contest's casual-safe shield
>less unique Event Matches
>removed Race to the Finish
>Adventure mode is a shitty beat 'em up with repetitive combat, shitty OC enemies, and generic, literally repeats itself halfway through for an uninspired Metroidvania
Yeah it's great.
How the fuck do tier lists keep changing for a 15 year old unpatched game?
>>338551296
players come and go, same thing for normal sports
>>338543730
Actually, I take that back. I didn't read the description until now.
>>338548775
>a character that literally hurts itself when doing 80% of it's moves
>lightweight as fuck and gets launched like 10 million times
>Not lowest
>>338551296
It's a deep game. Even though the code itself doesn't change any, the meta changes and characters perform better or worse as a result.
>>338551446
Kirby is that bad, anon.
>>338550342
>PMCC hasn't updated since early March
>>338551446
it's also got small hitboxes and a couple ok throws.
Kirby is really bad.
>>338544529
Because Nintendo fanbase is composed of babies who think that Nintendo can do no wrong.
>>338551089
>Tfw Sakurai said he wanted to have sm4sh represent characters more accurately after brawl came out
>Smash Run had more enemies from the character's franchises
>If SSA came out for sm4sh it could have had more enemies and bosses from other franchises
>We could have had an actual Yellow Devil and Metal Face fight
>We could have had an Eggman fight, a Galacta Knight fight or a Marx fight, a Star Man fight, a Ghirahim fight, and maybe even a Hades fight
>A hidden Metal Mario fight
>A final Giga Bowser fight
I'm fucking furious.
>>338551446
you can mash out of two of kirby's throws mid throw
i think pichu deserves to be above him
>>338550342
this is depressing
>>338535312
Just give me jump momentum and increased hit lag and I'll be happy.
>>338535312
New characters when?
I want to ditch Dark Pit and Rosalina as soon as possible, and if they can make Doc a costume change for Mario, that'd be neato too.
>>338535312
NOW THAT MODS ARE A THING THIS SHOULD BE TOP PRIORITY
>>338551446
Blur please go home.
>>338552590
What am I looking at?
>>338552590
>everyone in pokedex order
>Except pikachu
>>338552714
a rearranged CSS
>>338552590
>removing any character
That's not how it should be
We should go nowhere but up
Brawl->>>>>>PM
>>338552887
I don't see anyone missing, they're just in different areas
>>338552219
Subspace had so much potential but Sakurai had to ruin it.
And people say he isn't a hack.
>>338552887
I'd be fine removing rosalina desu
>Changing every single character to be fast paced and competitive
Oh boy
Instead of fixing Sm4sh as the game it is, your going to Frankenstein it into Melee
>>338544529
>Tim Watson recorded new lines for Sm4sh
>so did Norio Wakamoto
>Metal Face has a model to work with in both bipedal and jet modes
>some dude made this for PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNm5Zs7MUo
I will legit pay someone if they can get Mumkhar playable with a Metal Face Final Smash and pop it over Dark Shit's character files.
On top of that, I'm pretty excited for the prospects of Assist Trophies getting upgraded.
>>338553470
>playable takamaru
my dick
>i play party games competitively
when will the autism end? just fuck off and play a real fighting game
I hope the Smash 4 modding community tries to make actual new content instead of dickriding Project M.
The thing about Smash 4 is that it was made for DLC in mind, so modders have MUCH less restrictions this time around.
>>338553470
Mumkhar would be a great pick for Smash. I dont think anyone in smash has used claws before
>>338553186
Yeah, the only real changes I'd want are some nerfed roll speeds, give air dodges less invulnerability frames, and (might get some flack for this) remove ledge trumping.
Aside from that, keep the game largely the same and just balance the characters and stages.
>>338553770
Charizard, Wolf
but only a few attacks
>>338553770
literally what is bowsers side B
>>338553851
>(might get some flack for this) remove ledge trumping.
Who would ever give you flack for this?
>balanced characters that make sense
>some decent alternative costumes or new colors
>fixed ccs
>maybe some 3ds on wii u stages
That's all I want to see in this mod, but it will just be like PM sadly...
Why do so many people want ledge trumping out of the game? It gives characters with shit recoveries a little chance.
>>338535509
PM was the most balanced smash tho.
>>338542028
Nah, just regular, more intelligent people than you.
>Smash 4 has an A + B command
>it's just an alternate input for a Forward Smash
i'd love to see a Smash mod tackle shit the series hasn't done yet
>grab techs
>air throws
>maybe a 5th special move using A + B as mentioned
>Supers? Cloud, Wario and Mac all have something close
if nothing above, i'm fine with a balanced Smash 4 with a stage hazard toggle, a dump of new colors and these gameplay changes:
>reduced magic ledge snap range
>jump momentum
>rage gone (and maybe footstool jumps)
>staling no longer applies to knockback
>>338552795
Pikachu's gotta be first, them's the rules.
Best way to go about it is induction-to-smash order with straight clones at the end.
>>338553969
I've seen a lot of people who just utterly detest the idea of edge-hogging and think its a tremendous improvement in Smash 4.
>>338551446
It gets better.
pic related is the newest tier list.
Quick, what custom costumes do you want to see modded in?
>>338554523
>Better than Bowser
>A practically worthless character
>Better than Bowser
>>338548775
>>338554523
I find it insensately ironic how the strongest character in the series lore wise is the weakest gameplay wise.
>>338553186
Project M was pretty damn good near the end of its development span though. A decent and dedicated team can make a great mod.
It took them 6 years to get PM so far though... The new team would have to work on 50+ characters. If it was somehow possible to just directly port the Project M movesets and animations, it would be amazing for modding though
>>338554467
Agreed, i like ledge trumping in a vacuum
It's the aggressive direct recovery buffs, huge ledge snap range and wide blast zones that all combine to cause excessively easy recovery
>>338554664
Bowser and Kirby are absolute garbage. In fact, some melee pros think pichu is still ranked too low.
Pichu's best moves (nair, upsmash, upthrow) don't even do self damage. Pichu has a pretty good recovery too.
>>338552590
I don't see Wolf, Squirtle, Ivysaur, Pichu, and Ice Climbers in this.
>>338554035
>smash 4 with melee themed or darker CSS
yes please
>>338546752
>>338546491
Let us choose the end event, duration, etc. and it'd be golden. I like doing 60 % damage with 1 hit with Ganon, but then you put me in a race vs Yoshi and Fox
>>338554467
You've got to admit that reaching the ledge and then falling to your death helplessly is kind of a lame death.
Ledge trumping is a step in the right direction, but it still needs work.
>>338554685
At least we'll always have smash 64 kirby
>>338553470
>Still being ass pained about Dark Pit
>A literal extra that would've made no fucking difference
Most pathetic fan base goes to
>someone replaces Ryu with SFV Nash with the air-grab as a side special like ganon's
Now THAT would be an amazing moveset mod.
>his classic and SFV theme play on the street fighter stage
>>338554164
Because there are like three characters in the game with shit recoveries and it and the magnetic ledges fuck up the game for every other character and make every match a slog where nobody fucking dies?
>>338536110
So you laughed at them for trying to fix the shitfest that is Smash 4?
>>338547436
>Nothing wrong with magnetic ledges
>Getting back for Free is good
>>338550113
Fox, Falco, Peach, Marth, Puff, Sheik, Falcon, Samus, Ice Climbers. Then you have outliers like Pikachu and Yoshi which are viable but only in 1 or 2 players hands.
And some of those 26 are clones or outright designed to be bad (GnW can't L-cancel, Pichu hurts itself). Plus we literally just had n0ned hours ago run train on top players with Ganon.
>>338553470
>>338554998
>tfw I thought Dark Pit was a great character
>tfw idea wise Dark Pit would be the perfect clone character to justify the rest of the KIU weapons
>People would've been ass pained no matter what situation happened because they want to shove a hate mentality for Sakurai
>These are the same people that want Dark Samus and Wolf
>>338542378
http://pastebin.com/ES053DpJ
It's pretty simple too
>>338555349
gnw can l-cancel his fair and dair
>>338550113
~10 characters in top 8 in majors after 15 years is great
In smaller tournaments like locals or even regionals you'll see even more characters.
>>338555364
There's no winning with a character like Dark Pit. You make him more of his own thing, people wonder why a character so aesthetically similar gets that kind of treatment.
>>338550113
Funny, if you compare smash 4 to melee based on cast %, melee has more viable characters than Smash 4.
>>338555364
>tfw like dark pit more than normal pit and have been saying the same about his weapons since the beginning
he even has hsi gun-staff as a weapon in his pose too, sakurai just got lazy. I'd love to see some modders give him a moveset where he uses the gun-staff in some of his attacks and then has Pandora's claws by default for most of his attacks. Coud imagine his forward-smas bein some kind of clawing dash andhis neutral could be him firing his gun-staff rapidly while hopping forward or backwards like with that one charge gun item.
>>338554459
>straight clones at the end
>not putting the clones next to the characters they're cloned from
>>338550342
Download where?
>>338555162
>So you laughed at them for trying to fix the shitfest that is Smash 4?
You can't fix that which is beyond saving anon.
>>338555882
You can try, I guess.
I mean PM is Ok.
>>338555882
brawl was in an even worse state than smash 4 and we fixed it with project m anon
>>338555718
Look like the clones are at the end for everything else (see Toon Link and Dr. Mario). Also Dark Pit looks good at the end because it's like Palutena's in the center of both of them.
AndRoy is next to Marth
>>338554558
It be funny if someone had the balls to do aAnnie costume for ryu
Or maybe a color swap I don't mind
>>338555945
Isn't that one already in the game?
>>338555945
As a palatte swap but I want a full on alt costume. Without the shirt and stuff.
>>338556335
meant to reply to
>>338556205
>>338555373
Couple questions:
1. Will this brick my Wii U? Last time I experimented in modding, I bricked a 3DS trying to downgrade the system, and I don't want to accidently fuck up again.
2. Does it have to be my IP every time I load Smash up? Or can I just take the Wii U to a friend's house/campus/locals, hit the Kernel bookmarks, then go to town from there?
>>338556020
>we fixed it with project m anon
Project M didn't fix shit. Game was still fucking broken.
>>338553016
>he said he would never make a story mode with cutscenes ever again because people uploaded the SSE cutscenes to youtube
can we remove this fucking autist from any lead developer position
>>338556504
No
I'm not sure, I haven't tried it
as long as they implement something like Project M Ivysaur I'll be happy
Melee would be a perfect fighting game ifFox was removed
>>338554558
>>338551446
The recoil doesn't mean anything with low weight, as any meaty hit is going to kill you. Being quick lets Pichu dodge around, as opposed to Bowser and Kirby who are slow and can't do shit.
>>338556640
You have no fucking idea what you're talking about.
>>338557008
>Marth/Falcon/Puff matches from now til the end of the game
Ew.
If you remove a boring character and the boredom problem ain't fixed, then maybe the game itself has a problem.
How long until I can have Guile's theme play on Ryu's stage?
>>338553186
The mod will only change the characters. The gameplay will still be the same, so it will not be a Melee clone.
Just like Balanced Brawl or Brawl Minus.
>no 3ds mods
na
>>338557603
brawl minus changed the gameplay
Just please fucking add l-cancelling or z-cancelling, that's all I need.
>mfw they won't because sm4sh players hate going fast
>>338556504
If you don't want to have to open up a custom port, someone already made a site that has what you need.
wj44.ml
Your computer browser will probably block it for obvious reasons since it's exploiting things, but it has the kernel exploit and SDCafiine. If one kernel exploit doesn't work try the others, there are three and it didn't work for me until I tried the third.
>>338557008
>cant appreciate just how amazing from a gameplay standpoint Fox is
Low tier cocksuckers dockiddies.
>>338537247
>>338536121
>tfw played PM over at a party once
>Temple was a Battlefield clone
It may have just been a friend's custom map replacement but either way why would you fucking do that? Temple is the best Smash stage
>>338557998
This. Whenever I play 4 the Ariel landing lag kills me.
>>338557512
You can have it right now.
>>338558350
>hurr durr its so big lol, look how boring it gets when none of us can kill each other
Myself and everyone I played with as a kid never touched that stage, is liking it some kind of meme?
>>338547752You know that is the main reason PM is dead, right?
>>338537456
Ryu's aerials are now completely unpunishable on-shield.
gonnapost random mods
>>338558350
Temple's a fucking awful map and your friend did install a custom map because Project M, being a mod, is moddable. There was even a mod for Project M that had 600 stages, with like a stage alternative for holding down almost every button.
>>338555349
Still not balanced. There's still a plenty of characters that goes unused.
Not that Smash 4 is balanced either, but still, it's the most balanced Smash game ever. There are characters that were terrible to begin that are now good (Mario, Luigi, Kirby in Melee, Bowser) and characters that are not top-tiers anymore, but still good (Fox, Peach, Marth). Not only that, the game still receives patches.
Call me when they get some actual PSA's going on.
>tfw we're never going to get a community like PM's again
What's the point?
>>338558350
Hello shitter
>>338535312
Regardless of what you think of it, how do you even use this thing? Checking the page out doesn't reveal any instructions
The Smash competitive community is the worst thing Nintendo ever gave us.
>>338557998
Forget L-cancels entirely, just fucking reduce the recovery frames universally. L-cancel is a relic, I dunno why PM kept it. There's no reason to NOT L-cancel, it's not strategic or hard in the slightest either. But shit I'd take L-cancel if it meant faster Smash 4
>>338554558
My favorite villager shirt, citrus tee
>>338557008I agree.I would rather remove all top-tiers though.
>>338555882
No one's talking about melee
>>338557512
until you put the song on your SD card
>>338559523
https://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2np16i/for_you_newer_or_casual_players_this_is_why/
>>338559398
You will. Smash modders just have to make the tools and the good modders will move on from Brawl and explore Smash 4. They're doing it already.
>>338559778
>unironically linking reddit
I love the summer smells
>>338559398
It's gonna be a while yet before it's as easy to play with as brawl
>>338558606
S-Source?
>>338559890
Summer doesn't really change the traffic of this place much, on the contrary.
>>338560094
o shit waddup
>>338560137
It's fun to have something to blame, though
>>338556335
I, too, want a shirtless Mac alt, but likely not for the reasons you want it for.
>>338559562
That's literally impossible because then different characters will become top tier, tiers will exist and characters will dominate no matter what you do. Fox is sure as hell a lot more exciting than most low tiers.
>>338559778
That's a god awful post because it's A) comparing a PHYSICAL SPORT to Melee, and B) implying that L-cancels are hard. There's so much tech in Melee that acts as an entry barrier and I can tell you L-cancels are not one of them. Not to mention that like I said, there's never a time to avoid L-cancels. Any move in basketball has a downside or moment of "Maybe I SHOULDN'T do this". When has anyone ever thought that about an L-cancel?
If you halved aerials lag and took away L-canceling then what would be lost? Absolutely nothing.
>>338558350
>>Temple was a Battlefield clone
But it isn't? If it's the same map that became Skyloft in a later version, they literally took the upper-left corner, removed the DOOR STUCK in the middle, and later reskinned it aesthetically.
how you liking mods senpai?
>>338535312
hmm...seems interseting enough
>>338560539
>Fox is sure as hell a lot more exciting than most low tiers.
Fox vs Fox/Falco isn't exciting. Maybe IT IS if Fox goes against someone else.
>>338559870
No, we're not because Nintendo will smush any emerging modding scene into the dust before it can gain any relative mainstream appeal.
We'll never see modded Smash 4 played at a major or any significant stream. It'll never be anything more noteworthy than something like SDremix.
>>338560889
10/10
>>338558961
>Coldsteele in Sm4sh
Where is this mod?
All Smash 4 needs is a stage hazard switch.
>>338554558
Zero suit fox
>>338561215
http://gamebanana.com/skins/145778
>>338548775
Why are you using an outdated tier list?
>>338561292
>>338561028please tell me there are nude mods now
Why are casuals so ingrained with the idea that competitive players only play on FD all day? There are fun noncompetitive stages, it's just that the huge or overly disruptive ones just fucking kill all chance of having fun
GOOD noncompetitive stages:
>PM Bowser's Castle
>Mute City/Port Town
>SSB Peach's Castle
>Halberd
>Castle Siege
SHIT noncompetitive stages
>any scrolling stages
>any permanent walkoff stages
>any LOL SO HUEG stages
>stages that give buffs/debuffs to characters at random
>ridiculous hazards or bosses
>boss stages at all
How long until we get Ice Climbers/Pichu/Young Link/Snake/Wolf/Ivysaur/Squirtle?
>>338561468
I liked Spear Pillar
>>338561458
not exactly, these are "uncensored" skins for Bayo and Corn
>>338561481
Depends how much people want it.
I'd love to see Pichu as a more powerful Pkachu with the recoil being a balancing factor, but nobody cares enough to actually try.
>>338561468
Luigi's Mansion, Skyworld, Gamer, Hyrule Castle 64, Temple, and some others stages I forgot are fun.
>>338561885
I don't understand the hate for Temple
Ridiculous teching is the best part about it
>>338561458
No nude mods until full-blown model editing is cracked open.
>>338561885
>Luigi's Mansion
Fine, not great but it works
>Skyworld
When the tiles are broken and you can't grab ledge a lot of characters get completely fucked over
>Gamer
Pretty fun stage desu
>HC and Temple
Awful stages, LOL SO HUEG is anti-fun as fuck past the initial novelty
>>338562020
Not only that, I love seeing people bouncing off from walls and cellings, and surviving at high damage percents.
>>338562151
>Hyrule Castle
>HUEG
The fuck?
>>338562020
>Younger sibling picks stage while playing as a character with insane mobility
>Runs away the entire time
>>338561020
But it will. Nobody plays SD Remix because people are happy with base Melee, namely Melee players. People complained about Brawl and people complain about 4, mainly in the physics and mechanics. PM got players, a decent 4 mod will get players - especially with the potential it has compared to PM.
>>338562318
t. peruvian
>>338556640
Except PM is literally the most well-balanced Smash game yet. It has the smallest difference between tiers.
someone with talent get to work on a Little Mac skin similar to this one
prohibition era club fighter
>>338558350
>Temple
>A shitty meme stage
Pick 2
>>338553470
That's amazing.
>>338554558
I wish
>>338536962
>>338537002
>I'm the only person who like 75m
fuck you its a fun stage
Great Cave Offensive is go awful though
>>338563689
Never GCO unless 8 players
Never 75m
>>338563817
>Never GCO Ever
ftfy friendo
>>338563936
I mean, if your friends are campy faggots, never GCO ever
>>338545243
>mother 4 thread last week
>one of the devs come in to thank /v/ for shitposting about the project and how hilarious they are
>anon spends rest of the thread telling them they hope they fail and that they should kill themselves
The anti-Nintendo mod/fangame defense force is a thing of beauty
>>338535509
PM only has like 2 characters that are consistently underrepresented in tournament play.
melee has 4 characters.
smash 4 has like 6.
what were you saying scrub?
>>338564362
Not him but can I get a link to that thread?
Hopefully someone will make a Mega Man that actually has facial expressions instead copying the NES sprites for no reason.
>>338535312
Oh boy another cancer fanbase to avoid cant wait
>>338551089
marth is better online than in person because of his retarded hitboxes being harder to punish
>>338561456
>fan votes
>>338565246
Search for OPs in the archive with mother 4 in the first post and it'll probably be the first result unless there have been more threads by the same shitposter
>>338554171
>most balanced smash
Yeah a mod counts like a smash.
Neat
>>338544187
it looks decent but plays like ass
>>338566054
You could probably make that right now, anon
What's your excuse?
>>338543193
OHHHH DIOS MIO
love, d'va
>>338567046
why'd you give Samus a dick?
>>338565905
this makes me happy
So are there any good music expansion packs for 1.1.6 yet? I can't find any dumps of it and I can't port forward to dump it myself so I'd have to use somebody else's.
>>338538198
Idiot. If you don't know fuck all about the game you're criticizing, don't fucking criticize it. Also, dash dancing has little to do with momentum. It is supposed to be used to bait opponents into attacking by going in and out of their range, then quickly running back in for a punish.
Let me make this fucking clear
PM is a casual mod. It got popular because people wanted new Smash to play. That's it. It is dead now because Melee and Smash 4 players realized it wasn't all that good, very gimmicky and janky. This new mod appeals to the same casual-competitive crowd and NOT the people who matter. Smash 4 players ENJOY Smash 4. They don't want this shit. Got it? Good.
>>338535312
>not making a mod like minus
what a fucking waste
>>338566687
THEY COULD'VE MADE THE SONIC ALTS LIKE THIS ORIGINALLY AND EVERYONE WOULD'VE BEEN HAPPY
>>338567516
Those are the PM alts, people would've called Sakurai a hack for copying a mod.
Do people get anywhere near this assblassted over any other mod?
I don't really care if a new project M emerges or not, the real fun was all the neat moveset craziness and character creations that emerged in Brawl.
It'll probably take a while for the Smash 4 mod scene to get that far though unless how to do it is very similar to how Brawl was (note: I know jack shit about modding)
>>338547696
>Offense Up
>shitty
How?
>there are people who think Brawl/Smash 4 Wario is better than Project M Wario.
>>338567972
literally who?
>>338567663
Brutal Doom gives most people here the heebie jeebies
>>338567972
I just love the bike too much.
Apparently the brawlvault guys are looking to expand to also have sm4sh stuff
Call me when we get an unlimited camera mod.
>>338568526
hope they get some guy to make a brawl box and the brawl managers for sm4sh
>>338535312
Cant wait for this to get blacklisted like Project M
>>338568775
Project M got blacklisted because they let the Jew GimR worm his jew nose into being the leader of the PM community.
Before Smash 4
>"fuck melee, you're supposed to play smash with items and on stages with hazards"
After Smash 4
>Competitive smash is fine
What happened?
>>338568886
People stopped being hypocrites about playing a certain way and forcing some things is wrong when they themselves were forcing a certain way to play? Probably that.
Why do people say that Sm4sh isn't competitive? Besides the broken DLC characters that is.
>>338568886
Smash 4's items and hazards are much more invasive than in the games before it.
>>338569026
It's not that it isn't competitive, it's that it sucks at being competitive.
>>338569357
Why?
>>338569391
I don't know, I'm just repeating what /v/ told me.
>>338569391
it's not as fast or as complex as melee
>>338569026
Rage mechanic, recovering low to the edge being too good and easy an option, air dodge frame data being even better than Brawl's, few combos outside of some characters with throw follow-ups, making those throw follow-ups even more game changing than they would be in a different smash game.
Hard to safety shield pressure or poke properly due to characters often having poor approach options, can lead to rather defensive and stallish gameplay.
>>338567516
Copyright you retard. Game developers actually have to worry about other things and can't always give into cloying fanboyism.
>>338541958
Are those Rick Owens Ramones?
>>338569391
Mister daddy Sakurai said Smash shouldn't have a high skill gap, designed the game accordingly, and told fans that want for more depth to fuck off and play Virtua Fighter
>>338569391
People can argue about movement mechanics all day, but the most objectively true thing about Smash 4 is that it just doesn't have very good quality content beyond the roster itself. Stages without the worst hazards like Yellow Devil and Ridley are a priority if we want better competitive variety, and Omega Mode really needs to be just more basic platform setups for the settings rather than all of them being FD reskins.
As far as movement and mechanics go, jump momentum is definitely a natural thing that needs to be kept, even if some characters have to be rebalanced around its inclusion. Ledge Trumping combined with magnetic ledges also make for a bad mix. They're not completely terrible by themselves, but one of them has to go.
Why couldn't this meme stay dead?
>>338538575
>I want a Ichigo mod with Clouds move set. It's pretty much perfect.
I gave up on Bleach years ago but...
> Charges limit to max
> Shouts BANKAI!
> Transforms into Bankai state with Zanketsu (or whatever name it is) as his sword
GIVE IT TO ME
>>338569639
Rage is perfectly competitive. It's predictable and the player who takes advantage of it better is the better player. Not liking it is preference.
Recovering low honestly is starting to get called out, I see spikes all the time due to the 2 frame ledge snap vulnerability. M2K did it a few times to ZeRo today.
Air dodges have landing lag so that balances out.
Every relevant character has many combo options, whether out of throws, tilts, landing aerials, etc. Just look at Diddy, Mario, ZSS, Sheik, Fox...
All relevant characters have good pokes.
It seems you lack understanding of this game. Regardless, your list has nothing to do with th competitiveness of the game. That's all preference.
>>338539569
Nintendo was fine with PM existing until they made a legit attempt at pushing Sm4sh as a competitive game and were forced to shut it down before Cloud's reveal, because Squeenix are the biggest jews on the planet. Squeenix likely wouldn't give them Cloud unless they axed PM
>>338569579
>>338569879
Accessibility has nothing to do with competitiveness though.
>>338569639
Fair enough. I hate that there's little shield pressure in the game. Shielding is too powerful an option. I have to ask though, outside of the top tier characters who can apply shield pressure in melee, how is it any different than Sm4sh? Melee's shields could take more damage.
>>338541661
> the crooked helmet
> the pudgy belly
>>338569639
Whether Sm4sh promotes overly defensive play or not does not determine competitiveness. Stop this meme.
>>338539569
>Won't Nintendo stomp on them like they did with PM?
I'd be weary of the words of a group who's giving a very vague and nebulous reason for quitting a mod while at the same time starting a company to develop a game, directly inspired off of the very game they're modding, FOR SALE.
Any time money is involved, you have to be weary of what people say because, a lot of times, they'll act first and then come up with scapegoat reasons to justify what they did.
And if Nintendo wanted them gone they would have pulled out a C&D from the start but they even acknowledged the existence of the mods and the community and that they were going to back off. Them doing a class action suit is publicity suicide.
>>338545146
Literally just port over all the values PM did if they actually get the physics changes working.
That is if they even try to make it another Melee-like and not something like Sm4sh+ or Sm64sh
>>338551446
Pichu has sh Nair and 1% Uair juggles.
>>338571216
We haven't seen anyone port anything from Brawl to Smash 4 yet though. I know the engine is just an edited Brawl engine but we still don't know if it's 1:1 in enough ways to port something like a character or stage directly over, do we?
I mean, if we did you'd think Sakurai would have ported more of them.
>>338552590
>NOW THAT MODS ARE A THING THIS SHOULD BE TOP PRIORITY
The roster is ordered by when each series was first released. I know how much you want Link on the same row as the rest of his partners but what you're doing is a downgrade.
>He made it DIFFERENT again! REEEE! Everything must be EXACTLY LIKE MELEE or else it's UNPLAYABLE GARBAGE! REEEEEE!
>>338535312
>playing childen's party games competitively
>fucking wasting your time making a children's party game competitive
Why are Smashfags so fucking pathetic? I mean, go play a game that's either supposed to be competitive or go out a get an actual competitive hobby like a fucking sport.
What the fuck is next, Mario Kart 8 Reloaded?
>>338571545
We don't have the tools to import the important things. Textures and models in sm4sh are immensely better than brawl so there isn't a point to port over things like that when you can just texture edit the existing sm4sh ones to match what you wanted in brawl and have it look better. Gotta wait till IOSU from what I know to really get the good imports/mods going unless you're dead set on just doing shit on the 3ds version, which no one wants but have already fucked around with. It'll be much easier too from what all the modders I've talk to said. The whole DLC thing they're doing for sm4sh makes it much easier to add in more characters and stages without going through loops like a clone engine in brawl. So in the end it's just a matter of patience to see just how far it can go, but like I said, the modders I've talked to seemed really excited about the modablity of sm4sh.
>>338565020
>Oh good unbalanced shit like Project M
Can't you read or does your autism expand to the processing of English too?
>>338571891
Have you ever considered that it'sfun__________________________?
>>338571891
Watching anime is seen as more pathetic to the vast majority of people than competitive gaming anyway.
>>338571891
The sad thing is much like Meleefags there exists an idiot collective of fanboys of Mario Kart Wii who insist it's the most competitive and cling to it despite it being far outdated already. So yes, Mario Kart 8 Reloaded could very well happen.
>>338571886
The problem with sm4sh is that it's not fucking different, it is most literally brawl 2.0, so fuck off with that shit. Hell calling it brawl 2.0 is a fucking disgrace because there are much more interesting things you can do in brawl and much more ATs.
>>338571886
>They're making it DIFFERENT again! REEEE! Everything must be EXACTLY WHAT SAKURAI WANTS or else it's UNPLAYABLE GARBAGE! REEEEEE!
>>338571891
I imagine people will just stick to Mario Kart Wii for modding purposes since they can add as many courses as they want. It's probably a lot harder to make a good MK8 course anyway due to the increase in detail, most custom MKWii courses that aren't remakes of older courses are shit anyway.
>>338572109
>Brawl 2.0
There's that meme again.
>>338572168
The difference is I'm not modding an existing game and completely altering it to suit my personal desires claiming to be "fixing" it or making it "better".
>>338572109
Melee is 64 2.0.
>>338570918
Wait, is the Project M team moving onto actual game development? I'm curious to see it, I've always thought there needed to be more Smash clones just for variety.
>>338572404
You're right, I should've called it brawl .5 and you should learn how to read a fucking post.
>>338572467
64 and melee are hella different, you would know if you actually played them instead of starting at sm4sh and defending sakurai being a fucking hack.
a really amazing thing about these texture mods is that the colors themselves are separated from the normals layer (or rather the texture details etc). the color layers is literally just a bunch of differently colored shapes that align with the uv's, so you could just open up photoshop, bust out the pen tool and go wild with recolors.
sm4sh modding is going to be great.
>>338572535
>64 and melee are hella different, you would know if you actually played them instead of starting at sm4sh and defending sakurai being a fucking hack.
I think he was making a joke
>>338572620
>Poe's law
>>338572467
You have never played either of those games if you're making that claim
>>338571719
Why aren't game&watch or pac-man placed first then?
>>338537247
It died off because they got a C&D and stopped development.
>>338552590
How's about buffs to the characters who desperately need it?
>>338573538
No, they stopped it because paranoia and their "video game lawyers" said that a CnD would be possible, plus a quick and easy excuse to fuck off from project m and do their own game to make some actual money.
No actual C&D was given at all.
>>338541462
>Balance isn't about satisfying anyone, it's about making all 1v1 matchups fair between equally skilled players. This ideal balance will probably never be reached, but there's no "satisfying" involved -- balance can be empirically measured.
Citation needed.
So has anyone created actual new moves in Smash 4, as opposed to editing parameters? Closest I saw was someone creating Falco's Melee shine but that was clearly just removing the movement and ending it early so I don't think it counts.
>>338560137because everyone is posting from their smartphones in class already
>>338574027
No real citation, but here's a decent essay on the issue: http://www.sirlin.net/articles/balancing-multiplayer-games-part-3-fairness
>>338574486
I was more pointing out that the statement
> it's about making all 1v1 matchups fair between equally skilled players
isn't true, specifically the conditions of 1v1 and the presumption of "fairness". There is many different forms of balance, and different examples often have entirely different goals and different end results.
Can we agree that, even with its faults, Smash 4 is probably the most well-balanced of the series between characters? There's still some shitters and overly powerful characters, but nothing as blatant as Meta Knight or like Melee and 64 where less than half the cast is viable competitively.
>>338574749
Yeah, I guess you're right. Certain characters ARE going to have winning matchups against other characters, and for a game like Smash other modes need to be considered for balance, too.
Sometimes you can't even balance a game/character without reworking it from the ground up.
An example would be Guilty Gear Xrd which I play almost daily. Millia is a top tier because she has insane corner mixups that are more or less unreactable, you could try to balance her by nerfing her mixups but then you fundamentally destroyed the character because she doesn't have much else.
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