even forbes BTFO of ploygon...
>blocks ad blockers
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>I write about videogames and pop-culture from Japan
>>338518818
https://github.com/reek/anti-adblock-killer
>>338518720
S A V A G E
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>far right tabloid bashes liberal video game bloggers
this is just fucking sad
>>338518720
Wait that setence is vague. Is he for gaming skill?
>>338518720
that headline is actually hilarious
>>338518818
>blocks people using ad block
>site has had malware ads infecting thousands of people on their main page before
They've done you a favor
>>338518818
Yep, this. I don't read Forbes since they bitch and moan about me not wanting to see commercials on websites.
>>338518818
>wahhh I want free content, I can't look at a ad on the side ;.;
Kys
>>338519132
Yeah, he's saying that it's important to be have skill in order to understand 'gaming' in the same sense that you have to actually read to understand literature.
>>338518720
BASED
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>>338519070
>Forbes
>far right
You're the stupidest person on 4chan right now. Congratulations.
>>338518720
polygon is rekt'd
>>338518818
Just close the tab and open it again.
>>338519070
>forbes
>far right
Maybe far right from the literal black tranny dick in your otherkin waste hole, but to the right they are just another liberal media outlet.
Hey does anyone have the headline title of the other vidya website that published the thing
>>338519275
Except I CAN get free content, absolutely consequence free. Stay mad faggot.
>>338519425
and that's why they bashed polygon for no reason
right..........
>>338519425
>otherkin waste hole
>>338518720
I would say "reading comprehension" not just "reading". Understanding literature goes far beyond basic literacy.
just gives us a pastebin.
I like the dude, but I'm kinda dissapointed he's joining the shitflinging. His articles about japanese games, anime and stuff were always great though.
>>338519557
I agree no reason to bash polygon.
>>338518818
>not getting an ad block blocker blocker
>>338519275
Hi leddit!
Forbes has had a few incidents of serving malware on the front page ads.
I know you like to be edgy and use that silly shortened version of "Kill yourself", but I know you'll grow up eventually :)
>>338519557
Polygon is so far gone into the abyss of shit that even liberal media no longer supports them
It's pretty funny that people didn't come to this conclusion by them selves.
You hear plebeian arguments like "It's unfair, people don't accuse film critics of being bad at watching films." But in reality, we expect film critics to have an understanding of pacing, cinematography, performance, etc.
There is no reason for me to take a review of the mechanics of a video game from a person who can't play it well.
>>338519275
>i like getting viruses from visting sites, as long as i know i made them money in the process
Cuck
>>338519729
This.
When is that hulk hogan lawsuit going to shut them down? Or are they appealing it?
I can't wait for them to crash and burn.
>>338519557
maybe because of this shit and some other articles defending polygon's shit
>>338519702
Use adblock, no more ads on most things.
>>338519729
bullshit there's hundreds of articles supporting polygon
fuck off goober
>>338519702
This should have 6 finger holes so you can play russian roulette
>>338519739
video games even take it to another level
even if your reading comprehension is shit you are still reading the same book
but if you are really bad at vidya you wont even experience most of what the game has to offer and you will effectively be playing a different game than someone who knows what they are doing
>>338519739
Ceirtanly, I don't take advice from anyone who isn't better than me and that covers anyone who isn't into competitive stage of vidya.
>>338519838
That was gawker you fucking tard. Kotaku.
>>338519856
I don't care if people take games seriously. I am not asking anyone to take games seriously.
>>338519132
Do you think it's necessary to be literate in able to understand literature?
>>338519702
Moron, if they don't get money for ads then they would just end up like Polygon and sucking developer cock to survive. If you want impartial (or as close as you can get now adays) coverage it's better to see some ads over "free" content that's just one big paid advertisement.
i swear forbes is the only good media left
>>338520071
only like 20% of forbes is
>>338520029
And it's better for me if I don't get malware from having ads shoved in my face. Sorry, but I come first, especially on a website known to host and distribute malware.
>>338519612
http://pastebin.com/7HehvzmD
>people on /v defending polygon
I used to think reddit was a meme, but they are really shilling here in full force.
Im worried desu senpai.
>>338520071
That's what we all thought until they accused GamerGate of harassment, deathreats, and serious acts of terrorism.
>>338520157
Thanks man.
>>338519974
its their job to at least know how to properly play a fucking game before trying to show it off. go suck some dick Bernie sanders fagboy
>>338520190
Don't you people have a subreddit to hang out in?
I'm with Polygon on this one. Hear me out:
1) Average "gamer" is AWFUL at video games
2) Mass market reviews are aimed at the lowest common denominator
3) A review is only useful if the reader is similar to the reviewer in taste
tl;dr it is good that Polygon are bad at video games. Stop reading their stuff. It is not aimed at you and that's okay.
>>338520165
Even reddit shit all over the polygon gameplay.
I don't know where anyone that would defend polygon would even come from.
The man delivers sick burns
>Overlooking the obvious fact that if you are writing about or even making games for a living then having at least a competent level of gaming skill is necessary, much in the same way being able to read is important if you want to comprehend literature.
>In a political sense, if gaming expertise were to be openly acknowledged as being useful to the medium then most people in publishing would be out of a job.
>The publishing side of things is what intersects directly with the gaming press though, as publishers are the gatekeepers to the content that the press needs to survive. This relationship births the argument that being able to play games is not necessary if you want to appraise them, as the gatekeepers can’t play games themselves.
>This also feeds into the whole self-loathing towards gaming instilled by the movie industry, something I have previously talked about at great length.
could somebody link/pastebin that article?
>Again, the thing that everyone seems to overlook here is that this judgment on gaming skill is not one the press, publishers or even developers ever get to make. The only people that can say what matters to gaming are those that buy and play them. They are the people that spend their time and money on something they care about and enjoy.
>Being able to play games in the first place is the foundation that gaming is based on, trying to run away from that simple fact will and in some ways already has caused huge problems within the medium as a whole.
>>338520461
>GAMERS ARE DEAD :^)
>GAMERS DON'T HAVE TO BE YOUR AUDIENCE (^:
Don't you have a bankruptcy to attend to kotaku?
Forbes is decent and Erik Kain is pretty based.
>>338519557
>disagreeing with polygon makes you far right
wut
>>338520417
>Defending progressive otherkin who compare people who play games to ISIS
(you)
>>338520071
Game informer's channel is fun and comfy, surprised /v/ doesn't talk about them seeing how they avoid internet drama, maybe /v/ likes the internet drama but hates admitting it.
>>338520461
i cant wait until games made for people who dont like games are the norm
oh wait
>>338519856
>Git gud mentally
The player literally could not walk and shoot at the same time. Huge difference between beat Ninja Gaiden on Master Ninja and fucking do the basic functions of the game properly.
polygon thrives on being instigative. why can't you people just ignore them? fucking christ, i feel like we go through this every month.
>>338520636
Who the fuck gives a shit about fucking gamergate any more man
You fucked up, move on with your lives
What the fuck is up with more and more people defending or even WANTING ads. This generation is so fucking stupid, it boggles the mind. It's the same trend with DRM shit and purchasing games.
Somehow, kids these days feel like they, as a consumer, NEED to suck the dick of people who provide goods. What the fuck happened to customer is king? They are not entitled to anything you cucks. If their "content" is good enough, it'll earn itself back. If it's not, they'll crash and burn and a competitor will take their place.
Fuck this dick sucking, I'm so fucking done with that cuck mentality.
>>338520262
>that shit reading comprehension
Let me guess: American?
>>338520550
The *average gamer* is that bad at games. The *average gamer* never plays online and buys one shooter a year.
>>338520695
But who would play a braindead AAA shooter except mainstream dumbasses?
>>338520896
its all the reddit fags
>>338520896
I don't get it, what magical world do you live in where this is true?
>If their content is good enough it'll earn itself back?
How? Magic? Tell me the mechanism articles will use to make money if nobody consumes ads.
Sorry to say but you can't use the past as an example because that was all ad based revenue.
>>338520896
>Compassion is bad
>>338519630
Does that guy even think he looks vaguely like an actual woman?
>>338518720
That's an extremely lucid and pertinent statement. The more you play/the better you are the more you can judge the quality of a video game.
I mean how many scrubs think you can win in fighting games by spamming projectiles and can't even begin the comprehend the depth and quality of some of these fighting games?
>>338520896
>What the fuck is up with more and more people defending or even WANTING ads.
It's based on an argument of feelings. "Ads are how we get our money, p-please watch our ads ;_;"
You've got your head on straight, though. As soon as we take the feelings argument out, it becomes real easy. I, the consumer, did not pick the company's business model to be based on ad views. They chose that for themselves. I don't want to see ads, I don't want to see commercials. That's why TiVo took off like a rocket when it came out and why the feature to record shows (and fast forward through the commercials) is now standard service from any TV provider. It's their fault for choosing a bad business model to generate their revenue and it's on them to change it. I have no obligation to watch their commercials.
>>338520896
who gives a fuck what people think? if you see/hear advertising or pay for software, you're retarded.
>>338519838
>>338519856
You just know they wanted to use the term "gamers", but they realised that would only backfire. Only their readers actually call themselves gamers. Anyone who actually plays games for fun rarely calls him or herself that.
Now the title just doesn't make sense. Nobody takes games seriously because people tell you to get good? What kind of retarded logic is that?
>>338521105
>Tell me the mechanism articles will use to make money if nobody consumes ads.
That's not our job, that's the company's job. They're the ones who need to come up with their business model, not us. Have them tell us what they're going to do instead.
>>338521350
They are going to serve you ads you blithering idiot.
If you don't like that then don't go to the site. The business model is right there because it's the only sustainable model.
>>338521190
so you're agreeing with him then
most of us are
>>338521190
>The more you play/the better you are the more you can judge the quality of a video game.
thats actually wrong
as long as you're not a raging crybaby you can judge games objectively even if you're shit at them
>>338521105
>How?
Not my problem.
>>338521190
That's bullshit. The majority of people who get really good at video games are children and NEETs without any critical thinking skills, virtually unable to tell facts and opinions apart.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JED6cr_TUQ
>>338521412
They're going to serve ads and I'm going to block them. You're calling me an idiot to hide your own insecurity. It's okay, you can admit it, we all already know you're a fag. Once you stop sucking company dick you can realize that they can come up with another sustainable business model to respond to everyone using ad block. Obviously people don't like ads. It's on them to adjust, not us.
>>338520262
>can't read
>"Bernie sanders fagboy"
I love these posts, they make so much sense.
>>338521453
>i couldnt read half the words in this book, but i can still judge that it sucked
>>338521412
>If you don't like that then don't go to the site
Nah, I'll just install a userscript to get past it.
>>338521453
if the game has any depth you kind of need to experience it to accurately judge it
its like judging how fun basketball is by watching your little sister play
you are missing like 90% of what it has to offer
>>338521453
No. Because if you're shit at them it means you haven't played them a lot and don't understand how they work.
>>338521412
>They are going to serve you ads you blithering idiot.
And I'm gonna block them. Your tears are not gonna stop that, fagboy.
>The business model is right there because it's the only sustainable model.
Clearly it isn't, otherwise we wouldn't have this discussion, you child.
>>338521597
MMO F2P cancer was born as an alternative to B2P in order to combat piracy. Think long and hard whether you want to encourage the market to embrace "alternatives".
>>338519281
But you don't have to be able to read to understand literature, you would just need a good teacher to explain books and stories to you. Reading would certainly facilitate the process but isn't required any more then feet are required to move around a room.
>>338518818
I turned off my add blocker for forbes and their shitty website still says I have it on. I could switch over to IE for 1 site but fuck that.
>>338520951
if the game was actually good probably a lot of people
judging by the polygon review i dont even know if the game is good or not
>>338521756
So you should eat shit in order to not eat shit?
Brilliant argument, marketer.
>>338521543
Your head =/= reality
>>338518720
The word he's looking for is 'literacy'
>>338521732
Game designers by and large are bad at video games yet understand them very well. Shigeru Miyamoto himself said he is very bad at video games.
>>338521758
so have someone shove their opinion down your throat so you can parrot it back to someone else? nice.
>>338520949
>Le stupid 'Murican maymay
Back to lereddit faggot.
>have best universites in the world. biggest success story in history that BTFO the worlds super-power.
Let me guess: Ahmed from Bongistan butthurt that no one gives a shit about is inverted dick?
>>338521894
>Game designers by and large are bad at video games
and amajority of games are unfun and poorly designed
on /v/ maybe 15%-20% of contemporary games are even discussed, and a lot of those games are poorly designed
>>338521894
that is not always true. Sakurai and Kamiya are good at videogames.
>>338521897
What do you think the author is inadvertently doing? Plus, I said a "good" teacher.
>>338521597
>They're going to serve ads and I'm going to block them
Okay, and then they are just going to try to gate their content.
>It's okay, you can admit, you are a fag.
Whatever you say.
>Once you stop sucking company dick
I use an ad blocker and I do not disable it anywhere. Any company that decides to gate their content from me because of that I simply stop viewing. The people who find it valuable though will just add them to an exception list. That means that as you originally said people who find it valuable support the model and it works and I don't have to "suck any company dick" because I still don't view ads.
I'm just not a retarded entitled child who thinks I should get everything for free with no negatives to me as the consumer whatsoever.
You are like the retards who kept calling for a magical solution that was perfect for everybody in the FBI vs Apple case when they had basically no understanding of the details of the problem beyond "anything should be possible, right?"
>>338521849
Because the review is not aimed at you! There is no way to review a piece in a way which is useful to everyone. Find a reviewer who shares your taste and listen to them while ignoring plebs like Polygon. It isn't hard. Getting mad at Polygon having entry line taste is like getting mad at The Sun giving Melancholia a lousy review.
>>338521107
Compassion for a faceless company that only exists to make money is retarded. You don't feel compassion for the producer of goods. They make goods, we "buy" them. If people are not willing to buy, it means the supply is greater than the demand and they should be aware of that.
>>338521105
Make your articles payperview, or subscription based like news outlets. Oh but wait, their content usually isn't good enough for that. Which is exactly why I wouldn't care if they go bankrupt. If enough people WOULD care, they would earn enough. That's basic economics and I don't even study anything related to economics. How do you fail to grasp such a simple concept?
They just want to reach an enormous audience by making low quality clickbait articles, but also want to be monetized for every single view.
Fuck that, it's not my responsibility. They should find another job if they live solely based on "viewed ads" and then complain when people find that annoying.
>>338521894
This guy isn't a designer. His only contribution is recording gameplay for polygon. It's basically his job to be good at video games.
>>338522074
hes giving an opinion from his experience in the field, which you should then relate to your own opinion / experiences in the field. not just take it as fact.
>>338521694
That's fine, but if they then try to do something to stop you from doing that don't complain like a fuck boy on the internet about it.
It's like Devuno. You cannot get mad at them because they stopped you from getting free shit. It's an eternal game of cat and mouse and it's fine if you want to be a smug faggot, just don't cry like a bitch if it stops working.
>>338521881
It is true though. The majority of adults don't have the time to play anything but mobile games.
>>338519275
>kys
When will this fucking by filtered. Nothing but newfags from social media use this.
HIRROOOOO
So are they saying that gaming skill is required to get farther and play more advanced games or that it's required to gain a deeper understanding of what makes a game good or bad?
>>338518720
Learn to archive, retard.
sage and report
>>338522110
a review really shouldnt be "aimed" at anyone
it should be pretty objective and just tell you what it is all about, the strength and the weaknesses, if you think that something is well designed but wont appeal to a certain audience you mention both those facts "it is well made but if you dont like X it isnt for you"
believing a review should be directed at any group of people in particular is nonsense
>>338521894
>Game designers by and large are bad at video games yet understand them very well.
Bullshit, the best designed vidya game have always passionate gamers behind them. The one who are designed by game designers who suck at vidya always end up being shallow as fuck.
>>338520896
Ads themselves aren't bad, it's just the way they are implemented is stupid because the common ads are super intrusive and annoying.
>>338522336
Forbes is pro-GamerGate, dipshit. Every click funds the fight.
>>338521750
>The fact that you are saying that there is another model as a discussion while refusing to actually state what the model is because you are telling them to make it is somehow proof that another model is sustainable
Either that, or you are implying the 4chan model of "let everybody block ads, make everybody on the site work for free, and make the small amount of money generated by ads and passes immediately go away the second I have one legal case against me disappear" is an actual good sustainable business model.
4chan literally still exist by luck.
>>338518720
Ollie Barder, the boi of /v/ and /m/.
Is the polygon review video that out of the ordinary?
I mean what if the person is used to mouse controls and never gamed on a console before? What you would get is that shitty gameplay.
>>338518901
>>338518720
>games are for elite gamers like myself
>lord knows if someone wants to play Doom and they aren't well versed in shooters
>>338522249
I guess you'll see for yourself when you grow up(or make friends) that it couldn't be far from the truth.
>>338519856
>>338519739
More like you can expect a film critic to be able to pay attention and watch the movie
>>338522437
>I mean what if the person is used to mouse controls and never gamed on a console before? What you would get is that shitty gameplay.
It is worse than most people using a gamepad to aim for the first time. Most people pick up on moving and shooting at the same time fairly quickly. That reviewer does not.
Plus, they should have grabbed someone that has played console FPS before if that was the case.
I wouldn't mind the ads that much, if they just removed the fucking tracking. There is absolutely zero benefit in getting spied on and getting your data sold to marketers. Even if it is anonymized, it's not acceptable. So as long as websites insist on spying on me, the adblocker will never be turned off.
What's all this shit about now?
>>338522183
Exactly, just the same as a good teacher.
DEAR GAMING """""JOURNALISTS"""""
PLEASE LEAVE THE INDUSTRY AND NEVER RETURN
>>338522346
THIS, been saying this for a long time, most reviewers and people on /v/ when talking about a game think the game should catter specifically to them.
THIS will never happen as people will always have varying opinions, so when reviewing, people need to see the different things a game is trying to do and point out why maybe you didnt like X thing but doesnt necessarily mean its wrong, (it could be wrong though)
>>338522630
polygon strapped a controller to a monkey and used its experience to review DOOM
>>338518720
>BTFO of
>O of
>>338522346
>believing a review should be directed at any group of people in particular is nonsense
Call me crazy but I feel like a review for a video game should probably be directed at... people who play video games.
>>338522668
If you parrot a teacher, whether good or bad, you're not formulating your own views and opinion.
/vr/ here
when I was a kid in the 90s, I would buy my country's Club Nintendo, and there would be letters written by kids like this "is it true that if you feat Street Fighter 2 Turbo on hardest difficulty without getting hit there is a special ending?"
to which the magazine would answer "our star reviewer XXXX beat that game in the hardest difficulty without getting hit, with Chun Li, and there was no special ending, apart from the very high score"
back then, they may have been lying, but they pretended to be better at videogames than the average guy.
I think ideally reviewers should be free lance workers who are experts in some genre and are hired when a game of that genre is released.
When the New Civilization game gets released, I will pay much more attention to what the people in Civfanatics.com say, or even here, than to what reviewers say.
What is this article in response to?
>>338522239
The lovely thing about Denuvo is that they can't blame low sales on pirates anymore.
Denuvo is "uncrackable" so it's safe to say they didn't lose any sales from piracy.
Then why did most Denuvo products sell so poorly? And why did an easily piratable game like TW3 do so well?
Fucking loving all the producer tears. I wonder what scapegoat they'll try to use next.
>c-c-customers are faggots for not buying our products
>we need to feed our families too
>you are basically murdering innocent people by not buying our games
>give us your money you filthy customer!
>>338522781
>blows the fuck out of
>>338522125
>Make your articles pay per view
Nobody will pay for fucking news articles anymore idiot. The market changed. You are so stupid. You are saying
>The fact they reacted to a changing market and created a sustainable business model is stupid because under the last business model they used which is no longer sustainable, they would fail.
Then you tell me I don't understand basic economics. You don't understand the basics of business. Just because something works doesn't mean it will work forever, in the same way you are saying the "ads" may not work forever. Your own argument is contradicting itself.
There really is no point in further arguing with you because you are not being logical and just have an agenda behind everything you are saying because you don't actually care about logical business practices and are just trying to creatively say "I don't like some news outlets and their shitty articles so they should go under."
Business is not about the quality of the product, it's about selling whatever the product is, shitty or not.
>>338522809
i figured that goes without saying
but it shouldn't be targeted at , console player, pc players, casual players, hardcore players, etc.
just reviewed on its merits as a video game
>>338522425
And nothing in your post changes that Ad-driven business models are clearly not working anymore. If they did, nobody would complain. Not the consumers. Not the websites. Both are complaining, the business model failed.
It is not the responsibility of the consumers to come up with a business model. That's the problem of the Websites.
>>338520029
>make yourself vulnerable to adware, they have to eat you know!
>>338519702
>I know you like to be edgy and use that silly shortened version of "Kill yourself", but I know you'll grow up eventually :)
> All this passive aggressive bullshit.
You're the only Reddit here, you fucking faggot.
>>338522110
A review is a review, it should be aimed at the consumer in general.
If it had to be specific, it would be focused on people who are into Doom, which is typically people who've played a few video games in their lives.
>>338522346
There is no such a thing as an objective review because what one person might perceive as a strength another might see as a weakness and vice versa. There is no such a thing as an objectively "good" game any more than there is such a thing as an objectively good landscape painting. The best a review can do is present the author's thoughts about the subject in a clear and interesting manner.
Games themselves are always aimed at a certain audience. Why should game reviews be different? As different people care about different aspects to different degrees it only makes sense for them to seek reviewers similar to themselves.
>>338518818
fun fact: when they tell you to turn off the adblocker, go and choose the "turn off adblock for this page only" option
It will let you through because it will see that you aren't blocking ads on that page(which has no actual ads), but then on the actual article page ads will be blocked
https://youtu.be/uwg6RTjCH7g
Bet you can't watch the whole thing, /v/.
NO
DELETE THIS
ALL BOOKS SHOULD BE PICTURE BOOKS
READING AND BIG WORDS SHOULDN'T BE HARD
THEY ARE TOO INACCESSIBLE
VIDEO GAMES SHOULD BE FOR EVERYBODY
>>338522884
People had a problem with an imbecile (Arthur Geis?) like webm related reviewing a game.
>>338522249
That's definitely not true. Obviously having a job means you might not be able to play video games as often as someone who doesn't but even if you have a job that doesn't mean your life is devoted to it 24/7.
it's no different than reading or going to the movies as hobbies. Plenty of adults spend time doing that with jobs, so they can certainly devote their time to any other form of entertainment they want to.
>>338522989
>reddit invented passive-aggression and no one on 4chan ever did it before that
>>338522390
Richard Garfield, Shigeru Miyamoto, Sid Meier.. I don't think you know what you're talking about.
>>338523075
Archive link?
>>338523075
yo hol up
did he seriously think he had to press a button to pick that up like, the shoot button? was that literally his first response?
>>338522346
>it should be pretty objective and just tell you what it is all about, the strength and the weaknesses, if you think that something is well designed but wont appeal to a certain audience you mention both those facts "it is well made but if you dont like X it isnt for you"
Except strengths and weaknesses are mostly subjective. Reviews aren't necessarily "aimed" at people but they do find a target. I ignore Polygon's reviews because I know they're plebs who don't undertsand the complexities and subtleties of this medium. But when Mathiewmatosis, for example, puts out a review, I listen intently.
>>338522912
I think with the new Doom numbers versus TW3 numbers we are really starting to see how useless shit like Devuno is.
I haven't really done any meaningful analysis, but casual observation shows me all major Devuno releases performed worse than non major Devuno releases meaning piracy may of actually helped sales.
Not only that, but Devuno is custom made for games so it probably cost them millions of dollars to license they didn't make up for the "lost piracy sales" but they did incur, most likely, tens of millions of dollars in Devuno cost.
It's beautiful.
>>338521297
i think that article name-dropped gamergate
>>338523239
yes
twice
>>338523075
There's something wrong here though. This isn't the usual low standard for reviewer gameplay, this is someone entirely unfamiliar with a control scheme that's been the standard for the last 10+ years. I don't know what the requirements for being a game journalist are, but I'm sure it has to involve having played at least one game.
There must be something more to it. Like he just used footage of his lobotomised 4 year old playing it or something.
>>338522809
A lot of different groups of people play video games. There isn't just one group with shared values.
>>338522835
hes giving an opinion from his experience in the field, which you should then relate to your own opinion / experiences in the field. not just take it as fact.
>>338523051
are you dense mate
a game can have really fleshed out combat with tons of depth, but it can also be obtuse and difficult
games are rarely one thing they are mostly many things, so while every users experience of the game can be subjective the game has an objective level of pros and cons
+depth, loads of options
-difficult to control, steep learning curve
its that easy, its never just one thing
>>338518720
>job that anyone on /v/ would love to have just to play games early
>massive display of incompetence
Its not really hard to see why people are annoyed.
If you saw anyone doing your dream job, but doing a shit job of it, you'd call them out.
Game reviewers are massively privileged in that their job is literally playing video games. It's not asking to much to ask them to be half decent at it.
It's like if I went to work at a gas station, but it took me half an hour to find the gas port, and then I missed and scraped up their car four times. When I get called on it, am I going to claim I don't need a minimum competency level? It's the same shit, only in this case it's a job everyone would love to have.
Showing off a game is his job. Doing poorly at said game is doing his job poorly.
>>338523051
well obviously there's going to be subjectivity in a review, there has to be because it's a human being reviewing it.
But it's no different than movie reviews. A particular reviewer may not like a certain genre of movie, but if they review a movie they review it as objectively as possible (how was the acting, the effects etc.)
Even if the target audience isn't them, perhaps it's a children's movie for example, they still review the movie and give an idea of whether or not the audience it's intended for will like it.
that erik kain guy is a pretty reasonable writer and probably the only decent part of forbes
>>338521118
Have you considered he doesn't care what he looks like to you, but rather how he looks like to himself? Are you projecting your own vanity to others?
>>338522963
>Entirety of the internet is largely ad driven
>Mobile is largely ad driven
>Most major technology companies like Facebook and Google are in Forbes top 100 and are almost completely ad driven
>This is somehow an indication that the ad model doesn't work.
I think you read an article about how ad block gets rid of 40% or more of potential ad revenue and took that to mean the model isn't sustainable, when in reality all that is happening is people are just pushing more towards mobile where it's more work to block ads and easier to monetize users.
Hey though, good job helping to create a mobile future! You really are sticking it to the man.
>>338523285
>>338523374
Captain Obvious really deserves a promotion.
>>338522992
No such thing as the consumer in general. A dragon dildo review is sure as hell not aimed at "the consumer in general".
>>338523239
Yes. Conditioning from COD and the like, the first reaction and try to press a key to pick the medkit instead of running over it.
>>338523075
How is it even possible to be this bad
>>338523060
I watched the whole thing and I think it made me gay.
>>338521107
>please be compassionate for the multi million dollar company and its employees
I will care for them when most of them stop seeing me as a walking rape-able wallet
Finnegan's Wake is artificial difficulty, you shouldn't need to know multiple languages to read a book.
>>338523481
I would really not like to work at Polygon and seeing most gaming publications unless I could do something like Classic Game Room I would rather just have a normal well paying job.
>>338521453
Every counter strike thread on /v/ - ever - proves you wrong.
>>338523554
>A dragon dildo review is sure as hell not aimed at "the consumer in general".
why not "these things are huge and the thought of anyone using one grosses me out, however it is basically what i would expect a dragon dildo to look like so if you are looking for a fake dragons penis to shove up your holes its a good option"
>>338523239
>>338523608
Except that he's used an activate button many many times in the game already, yet still tries to push the shoot button to pick it up.
>>338521894
There's being bad and being unable to control the damn things. Have you seen that doom video? That's literally how my mother plays when I put a controller in her hands.
>>338520071
AND THEY'RE NOT EVEN VIDEOGAME RELATED
>>338522697
>at the end of the day, despite not being able to crack the cantaloupe it had become increasingly apparent that the rough outside and unwieldy shape makes for an off putting ingredient in your fruit salad. this grassy greens connoisseur recommends the canned stuff or perhaps a diced peach to compliment your kale and activated almonds
>UPDATE: we opened the watermelon with some help from a... "dedicated" foodie (someone who maybe spends a little TOO much time in the produce section for even out tastes YIKES) and were able to give a proper review to our hard shelled friend. we're split on the taste but still stand by our initial impression. thanks for reading
>UPDATE: comments disabled. it's just food guys. get over it, yeah?
>>338522934
>admitting they make low quality articles
>pretendig payperview or subscription based models are somehow outdated and don't work anymore
Son, I've paid multiple hundreds of euros to read articles and for online newspapers. The fact a professional newspaper can exist with an actual team of university degree experts, who get paid well, kind of counters your point that nobody is willing to pay for articles.
Nobody is willing to pay for THEIR articles, however, I think we can agree to that.
Which is exactly why they are not entitled to any money.
>Business is not about the quality of the product, it's about selling whatever the product is, shitty or not.
Right, so they are bad at business, since they are not able to sell their shitty content. I don't see how this helps your argument at all.
>>338518818
fuck forbes
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20160111/05574633295/forbes-site-after-begging-you-turn-off-adblocker-serves-up-steaming-pile-malware-ads.shtml
>>338523509
>he
>>338522409
end yourself
That reading analogy is as real as it gets
Take, for instance, Polygons horrid display of Doom, from a reviewer who has clearly never played a game in his life, because at one point he picked up something, and in his attempt to pause the game he pushed like 3 buttons that weren't pause and then stopped for what I'm assuming was to look at the controller.
You wouldn't trust a review from someone whose never read a book before, and then had to break out a dictionary when he found a word he didn't know how to read.
The best part is people will defend it, and say this analogy isn't 100% spot on.
>>338523170
Did you just imply Miyamoto wasn't a passionate gamer? Because his philosophy literally is to play his own game until he has fun doing so.
He hasn't been designing a game since forever anyway, all he does is produce vidya and make money, he's completely irrelevant.
So is Sid Meier, he's not the one who designed the core mechanics and gameplay of the last Civilizations.
You're clearly the one who doesn't know what he's talking about, you're mixing everything up.
>>338519425
>far right from the literal black tranny dick in your otherkin waste hole
>>338523938
>"too many big words, i didnt even recognize the punctuation marks they used, references to things ive never heard of before"
>2/10
>>338523075
Clearly he just came from Dark Souls 3 and was checking for a mimic
>>338523528
Again, if the ad model worked, they would not complain. Simple as that.
More work on Mobile? Do you live under a rock? Both iOS and Android made that one-click affairs, just like on PC. Without Jailbreak or C-Roms even.
I don't see a single ad on my smartphone. Maybe you're just a pleb that can't handle technology? Sounds more like your problem than mine. Enjoy the ads, sucker.
>>338523938
It hasn't been called the pause button in years (if ever). Fuck, it's not even called the start button anymore. Get off it.
>>338521894
Bad at video games perhaps compared to the autistic speedrunners who 100% their games in under 10 minutes.
And you're also forgetting that the people you're mentioning are fucking old, their reactions aren't what they used to be.
Now webm related is a fully functional young adult who made it his job to play and review video games.
>>338523471
Here's a thought for you: some players might prefer shallower games because they are not very intelligent or just don't like putting effort into things. Length, too, might be a downside for someone who can only play the game for 30 minutes at a time due to having a crazy intense job.
Fuck, you know Christian Rock is a thing? A very, very profitable thing? Do you think every reviewer should make effort to include information useful to Christian rock enthusiasts by saying whether the song has positive Christian themes? Or would it make more sense for dedicated Christian Rock news sites to review songs under their unique lens?
>>338523060
This is how you sound when you tried to explain to your parents why you got an F on the test while they slap your ass. Pathetic.
>>338523716
I just realized Drowned God is the video game equivalent of Finnegan's Wake.
>>338523813
>cantaloupe
Wut? That's a coconut in the webm though.
>>338520478
>what is shitposting?
>>338523481
>Game reviewers are massively privileged in that their job is literally playing video games.
Their job is not to play video games. Their job is to write, and writing is a fucking horrible slog.
>>338524103
Okay...
>and in his attempt to pause the game he pushed like 3 buttons that weren't bound to pause[...]
Satisfied?
Honestly, at this point every single developer should ask to see the reviewer's gameplay or the reviewer should put up videos automatically. Seeing which types of people call your game good or shit can only benefit you.
>>338523481
Anyone remember that article from a major and proper newspaper talking about DLCs and how they affect games badly?
It was a professional journalist instead of one of these "gaming journalists" it was hilarious how the basically rekt the dev just with basic questions that pc gamer,polygon or anyone else of these faggots would ever dream to ask.
>>338523814
>Son, I've
Whatever you do does not matter because all we care about is the general habits of consumers.
There are people who are willing to pay for newspapers, but this does not matter because there is not enough of them to create a sustainable business model. Your outlier behavior is meaningless. For example, no matter how good the "news articles" I would never pay hundreds of dollars a year to read articles. I wouldn't even pay 5. I will only pay for scientific journals.
>Right, so they are bad at business, since they are not able to sell their shitty content. I don't see how this helps your argument at all.
No, you are bad at business for having such a limited construct of the idea of business that you think the only "correct" business model is to directly sell something to somebody.
You would rather have 10 people pay you a dollar than 10,000 people pay you nothing but generate 10 cents each because the second model is "wrong."
Out of curiosity, and this is not for a personal attack, what do you even do for a living? Considering you pay for gated content you probably have an okay job, but how far removed is it from the actual selling of products.
Again, just curious, Not going to shit post no matter what you do for a living.
>>338524131
This is not real. Fake and gay.
>>338519070
>forbes is far right
>>338521894
yes but even though he is bad at them not only can he admit to himself that he is bad but he is okay with that and still has fun
he also probably really loves accomplishing difficult tasks which a lot of lazy people these days don't understand.
>>338523631____LOL____
Doesn't 4chan require you to put your adblock down?
>>338524213
Get a life. Not everyone spends their free time on wikipedia studying food or pineapples or whatever. Some of us (yes, even people who review food!) have jobs and stuff.
>>338524335
Considering he's a literal communist, center would be far right to him.
Why not just start a petition to ask the devs to patch in a Polygon difficulty?
>No jumping required
>No shooting required
>Literally no way to kill yourself
>There is a large, obtrusive arrow in the middle of the screen pointing to where to go
>Enemies stand still like mannequins and either don't move or just outright don't spawn
>No boss fights
>No metal music, just relaxing piano
>All collectables are replaced with optional pages of a teenage lesbian's diary of her daily struggles
>At the end of the game it's revealed that DoomGuy was the teenage lesbian all along
>>338524153
you have completely missed my point
tell the people who like shallow games they might not like it while telling people who like deeper games they might like it
or
tell people who like deeper games they might not like it while telling people who like shallow games that they will
the game will objectively appeal to one audience over another, its about letting those audiences know this, you dont want "well im shit at games and i didnt like it so its bad" being how things are reviewed, if they just dont even mention the fact that it is deep and well designed and could appeal to another audience they have failed completely
>>338524357
What? Are you retarded?
>>338524258
Their job is to write about video games that they have played. It doesn't even have to be something interesting or creative, just an objective overview of what the game has and a subjective opinion on whether or not you should play it based on what group you may or may not belong to.
>>338522406
Here here.
Case example: Netflix would put up a bump of a new show on your first login. You simply had to swivel to the next slide to see other movies.
THEN they started making the bump animated with LOUD audio. I will never ever fucking watch the Unbreakable Kimmy Schmitt or whatever the fuck it is called because of that horrendous advertisement practice.
>>338518901
>i capitalize the first letter of every word in a sentence.
>>338524267
It invalidates my shitpost but I am satisfied, yes.
>>338524357
No, but I disable it here because j-list banner ads are hardly a nuisance for how much I browse this shithole.
>>338524459
>Why not just start a petition to ask the devs to patch in a Polygon difficulty?
It's called watching a playthrough on Youtube.
>>338524131
This was me the first time I played a console shooter (Halo), I had played Quake extensively before, and the twin sticks fucked me up good.
You'd think a profession of reviewing games would give him SOME competency.
>>338524540
Those people are annoying as fuck.
>>338523757
Imagine someone reviewing a video game in a similar tone, mentioning how he thinks the thought of anyone enjoying such senseless violence grosses her out however it is basically a good option if you like murder simulators.
>>338523773
Okay, I'll concede a point there. Most game designers are not nearly *that* bad. That person played like he was shellshocked in Iraq. But still.
>gaming debate elevated to the level of supposedly credible newspapers and journals
Embarrassing.
>>338524624
>mentioning how he thinks the thought of anyone enjoying such senseless violence grosses her out however it is basically a good option if you like murder simulators.
nothing is wrong with that, i dont agree with his/her opinion so their condescending remarks dont matter to me at all
>>338524095
You guys have a very limited mind set and mentality.
I think you are so focused on me being some ad consuming shill that you cannot properly read or understand what I'm saying.
For starters, I do not personally view any ads because I use an ad blocker, so please stop shitposting about that.
Second, I do not live under a rock. I actually live making apps and websites, so my job is quite literally to serve ads to people. I get paid tens of thousands of dollars a year to do this, and this actually gives me some insight into how this works beyond shitposting on /v/.
A lot less people use ad block on browser than on mobile.
Also, let's apply your logic to brick and motar video games.
>Piracy is a problem that publishers complain about, ergo if the model of selling retail games worked they would not complain about it, therefore they should not use the model.
Do you see the issue there? Obviously the model works, but in their eyes they were seeing "lost sales" and mad about the theoretical amounts of money that could be generated.
The difference between that and this though is the numbers here are hard. We can know the exact amount of ads block which directly correlates into lost revenue because the user was on the page, so if we mad 1 million dollars, which is enough to continue our company, but lost $400,000 potential dollars because users blocked the ads, it's not that the model is not sustainable, it's just that we really would rather make that 400k than lose it.
It's business.
>>338522880
yeah. This is the internet age. Listen to the people, not the shills.
>>338524131
that looks like someone playing on a keyboard without a mouse, manually aiming with keys or something. That can't be real.
>>338519856
git gut mentality isn't about being skilled though, it's about eating shit games that play like shit and run like shit and tell others it's supposed to be that way.
Remember that metric ton on unfinishable NES garbage? In modern day, as it is, people would still buy it and tell you to "git gut".It's a flawed logic, and basic ad hominem to boot.
>>338524621
Check out this faggot >>338524459
>>338524768
but it's not good content unless you want your mom to watch it
it tells you nothing as someone who actually might purchase it and play it
you already knew it was a murder simulator
>>338524131
This is me trying to play Halo
>>338519856
Casuals refuse to blame themselves for anything going wrong in games (and probably also in general) and never want to put anything but the minimum effort required into playing games so it's no wonder git gud triggers them.
>>338524471
In principle, in a perfect world? Sure, but in practice a single review can't address all audiences. Specialists always trump generalists.
>>338523282
>piracy may of actually helped sales.
>may of
Commit suicide, faggot.
>>338524258
Oh yes, writing is so hard in the 21st century. Takes entire weeks to think up great gems such as "Gamers are dead. Games don't need gamers anymore" and "Final Bosses : video game players grew up, when will video games?"
>>338524904
they mentioned that as far as murder simulators go it is a good one, that is all it needs to do
what isnt alright is "i think the gross depiction of murder should never be in video games, games like this should be banned"
that tell me nothing about the quality of the game, just their opinion on murder in video games
>>338518720
Forbes is a blogging website.
Posting shit on there doesn't mean shit.
>>338524308
You're still pretending their model works, when I was talking about them crying about adblocker. If you're not making enough money because people block your ads, you need to change your model and not blame the consumer for "theft" or whatever bullshit excuses they come up with.
I'm a researcher in a biological marine environment and our team publishes articles. So I'm used to paying for articles (we get access for journals related to our field, but I like to read other journals). Because of that, I don't mind paying for newsarticles. I'm subscribed to 2 papers and sometimes pay for a view of another paper, usually when something big happened (like the earthquake in Japan. We had planned to send students there).
>>338519557
>everything happens between two poles
american education everybody
>>338524459
>All collectables are replaced with optional pages of a teenage lesbian's diary of her daily struggles
>At the end of the game it's revealed that DoomGuy was the teenage lesbian all along
>>338524131
How is that even fun for people to play like that? Why even play video games if thats what you're doing with your time?
Its even worse that these are people who get paid to give their retarded opinions.
>>338524258
i currently write for a website for a living and basically you just put down enough shit you can live with to fill a page and call it a day, your bosses opinion on the piece is really all that matters
>>338524931
Anyone has the image with the kotaku "list of things to do when playing" where it said if a game belittles you for playing on the easiest difficulty, return the game?
>>338524258
Their job is to play video games and to describe their experience with it you literal moron.
>>338525139
![1447683199161[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/k6GuZ6u.jpg "1447683199161[1].jpg")
>>338520029
>That image
Heresy
>>338524103
>It hasn't been called the pause button in years (if ever).
It was specifically called the pause button for the Atari 5200 and the GameCube called it Start / Pause. I don't know a single other console that referred to this as "pause" though.
>>338525106
Despite your disagreement on the content of that article Gamers are Dead was actually well-written. You should be more objective in reviewing Leigh Alexander's writing :^)
>>338525201
And I will repeat, it's not about them making enough money, it's about them not making all the money they could.
>I'm a researcher in a biological marine environment and our team publishes articles.
Okay, but the kind of articles you consume are a niche. I know this because like I previously stated, I also pay for similar articles.
>>338524840
>I actually live making apps and websites, so my job is quite literally to serve ads to people
And you think that you will convince anyone they should disable adblock?
> I get paid tens of thousands of dollars a year to do this
That's nice, and you get exactly 0 cent from me.
> it's just that we really would rather make that 400k than lose it.
that's nice for you, but not an argument as to why the consumer should give a single fuck.
>>338524891
no, it's about people complaining that a game is 'too hard' when they're most definitely playing like shit
it's sarcastically used when people complain about bugs because we all know there's nothing you can do about them, or that it's not justified to have to play around them
- that's probably where you've misunderstood it from
>>338525579
it wasnt even well written, it was like a giant tumblr post or a twitter rant combined into one page
>>338525473
>that image
Loli loev pizza. Having pizza for dinner every night lets you get to sex scenes faster in Babysitting Cream.
>>338524840
hey can you give me some money bro? i need to buy overwatch
>>338523285
It did.
>>338524258
Plenty of people write on 4chan every minute FOR FREE. Writing about games is hard? Fuck you, I'll take that job for less than I'm currently getting paid in a heartbeat.The exception being that I have to write for and/or like Kotaku or Polygon or some shit.
