What MMO do YOU play?
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So according to /vg/ every MMO is dead or dying.
I'm really craving for one lately but there are too many, and too many bad ones; I tried a few and didn't last long.
So.. What MMO are you having fun on right now /v/ ?!
Dfo
>>338472020
I re-installed WoW after 5 years of absence. The game is a bit over-simplified, and I don't know if low level content is broken or if the game is too easy but I two-shot every mob I meet.
Yet, I'm still having fun.
>>338472357
Yeah, ERPing on Moon Guard is lots of fun, too.
>>338472020
The final fantasy one.
Was pretty fun, enjoyable story and main missions.
Actually the only thing I disliked were the 'jobs'.
Crafting shit always tends to be tedious though, at least these guys tried to me it a little game.
>>338472357
I might try that, I remember having so much fun in WoW especially with the outdoors PvP, questing was insane. But I heard everyone just sits in queue and wait for dungeons nowadays. Might still try it again
>>338472502
I've been on FFXIV, but the lag killed it for me. The EU server wasn't even in EU to begin with if I remember correctly and you could count like 2~3secs between the time your attacks hits and the time the enemy actually lose its health. That killed it for me but I remember the Crystal Tower thing being awesome and the classes fun to play..
Thanks for the answers so far !
Vanilla WoW of course.
Kronos 2 best realm confirmed.
>>338472020
warhammer
The Warhammer Online private server is great.
>>338473703
>>338473775
Wow I totally forgot this game existed, I was in college when it came out and it got stomped on everywhere, so much that I never bothered trying it..
But now, why not give it a shot it could be fun !
>>338472835
Oh man that sucks for you, I played on EU and everything went smoothly.
All in all it was a fun experience for me and I would pick it up again if I could, but it's been too long.
>>338472020
Yes
All Meuporgs looks like wow clones with disgusting overdesigned "artstyle"
All of them have retarded stat and damage combat system
All of them have no social experience, playing with people is annoying
All of them are pic rel
Eve online
Been playing it for 9 years. Nice and niche, just the way I like it
>>338472020
Runescape tbqh
Blade and Soul
>>338474075
>not the 'oh boy I can't wait to slam my 10 inch dick in your ass all night' edit
I'm not sure if you can count it as an MMO but I've been playing Phantasy Star Onlineon a private server.I missed a lot of content the first time I played it so I'm enjoying myself
>>338474368
Any chance I could get a link?
>>338474471
Just google Ephinea. It's not true to the original in that it has bonus exp during events and a luck system borrowed from PSU but it reduces the grind so I don't mind. I think all the drops and stats of characters and items are the same, whether or not this is good is debatable since some classes were flat out bad
>>338474368
I played hours of PSO on dreamcast then GC, did a bit of BlueBurst as well; but why don't you come on PSO2 ?
I find it way funnier and it's basically PSO1(&2) updated often and official
WILDSTAR
>>338474656
Thanks, I'll definitely look into it.
PSO1 & 2
>>338474368
The game is really damn fun and the bosses are cool as hell. The story is pretty creepy at first which is a nice touch.
>>338474749
I played a little of PSO2 back when I think there was no English patch. I didn't really enjoy it but not really knowing what was going on might have had something to do with it
>>338472020
Just play Legion in 2 months.
Just surrender to the fact WoW is the last MMO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC2nzmN1M-4
>>338475505
Isn't this guy a huge blizzard shill.
>>338475539
It'd be weird for a Blizzard shill to basically shit on missions and followers.
>>338475505
I will, just like everyone else IMO, but 2 months is a big period of time.
>>338475505
lol no
>>338472020
I'm playing WoW: Wrath of the Lich King on a private server. At least this expansion has meaningful content, more than two raids and doesn't treat their players like morons.
>>338475505
>There are people who still aren't tired of WoW
>>338475646
more than you think, it's the (sad?) truth
we all at some point in our lives had a blast playing WoW so don't shit on it now
>>338475505
Fuck, WoW has the art style you'd expect from a dumb, Saturday morning cartoon that gets cancelled after half a season because even kids think it is shit. Why do people like it?
Project Gorgon
life is good
>>338472020
what do you think of an MMOBA- an mmo with two factions where you pick from a LARGE number of classes, you're pretty much playing out a war and a round takes like a month, after which the game is reset?
Black Desert was fun to pick up for a bit. It didn't turn out to by my speed in the end, but I still got a few week's enjoyment out of it. Exploration, trading and crafting is pretty interesting. The only reason I dropped it was because I felt like I ran out of things to see fairly quick. The fact that it's not subscription based was a bonus.
If it looks interesting to you, see if you can get a 7 day free trial key from someone
>>338475775
go to bed, Crowfall dev
Just fucking play Wildstar, it's good enough.
>>338475737
Maybe because not everyone is a whiny faggot like you who can't look past graphics and therefore missing out on the world's greatest MMO experience ever.
>>338473874
>>338473775
>>338473703
is it any good now?
I played on release and the launch was decent. Level 20-30 was some of the best pvp I've played in any MMO but then once you hit the top level every game was pretty much the same, and there wasn't really much else to do.
They released the keeps and it was pretty much a zergfest that hardly gave rewards iirc.. and other than that there was literally no content
What the fuck was with MMOs being released unfinished back then? Vanguard, AoC, and WAR all had so much potential but were released in like early alpha state...
Tera. The new ninja class just came out
>>338476038
Loved TERA's outdoors PvP, the best imo aside with WoW.
But..
Gunner = FEMALE human only
Reaper = Elin only
Ninja = Elin only
I got bored of trying to tell myself that I wasn't a pedo while playing this game, but it's a fun game for sure, too bad it has those weird restrictions.
>>338475936
>Maybe because not everyone is a whiny faggot like you who can't look past graphics and therefore missing out on the world's greatest MMO experience ever.
I play plenty of older games with simple graphics. Graphics is an issue of poly count, textures, particle effects, etc. The problem that WoW has is art design.
The art design, that is to say, characters, races, armour, weapons, animals, is shit. It's the lowest tier of fantasy aesthetics.
Keep playing your cartoon.
I play EVE online. I gank noobs with imperial navy slicers as they mine or tackle, and then spend 75% of the time mining in a procuerer, waiting for dumb asteros to attack me and then I gank them with my mining ship. Literally more entertaining than the 2 years I played wow, or FFXI or FFXIV. Still not as fun as old SWG though.
>>338475692
>we all at some point in our lives had a blast playing WoW
Speak for yourself. After I got over the skinnerbox leveling, I found myself with almost no motivation, satisfaction, or fun to get past level 40.I played during the burning crusade so maybe leveling was slower back then but I sure as well wasn't ever going to make it to max level
>>338476219
Yeah. The devs realized that the people who spend the most money on the game are elin players buying costumes for their characters. The assholes even disabled appearance change.
>>338475750
Yo I just looked this up, anon.
It looks pretty good. Thanks for the name drop.
>>338472303
Came to post this.
First post best post.
>>338472020
Vanilla WoW
Go to Kronos 2, its been up for a month, pretty nicely scripted and /vg/ got a guild with 300 players in it, about 40 online at all times.
>>338476238
I am Anon don't have to tell me that twice, hue.
>>338476498
is it even fun to play WoW on private server? the world is SO BIG you must barely see any other players while questing etc I don't get how people stay that long.. it was understandable for Nostalrius since it has a crazy amount of people on it, but all the other ones, what.
>>338476638
On a server like Kronos yeah.
Also
>Implying Nostalrius was the only big server
Lordaeron WOTLK has a steady 12,000 people most of the day. 12k is its limit, so yeah.
Then there's their second realm, Icecrown which has about 8000 people because it used to be two realms with about 3500+ players on each side.
>>338476638
Ayy.
If anything its the other way around, you see players questing or ganking every 20 second.
STV is so full you pretty much need to skip it.
>>338476735
>>338476763
Well I did not know that.. Interesting.
ESO. Doing Undaunted pledges until Dark Brotherhood gets released, by then I'm gonna spend all the keys at once.
>>338476794
WoW has become so shit now that more and more people are getting tired of it and moving to expansions with more meaningful content.
Only the biggest Blizzdrones remain, along with retards who don't know any better.
I've played them all. Recently reinstalled swtor to play as a single player rpg but got bored in lvl 30. Played FFXIV in 3.1 but had no guild, so I did everything outside of raiding.
Now I'm in wow again and started leveling a paladin from scratch. I don't know if I'm gonna get bored before lvl 20 or if I'm gonna pay a month. I might give it a chance if I'm able to farm the monthly fee with gold though, so I might use my old cata character.
Probably gonna end up doing nothing, since I bought overwatch, but I'm all in if blizzard decide to bring the legacy/nostalgia servers back.
>>338472020
Playing WoW again, but I'm just running old dungeons and raids for mounts, pets and transmog items. I'm also leveling my Death Knight, because their class quests sound awesome in Legion.
>>338475606
I think the Legion pre-patch will go live in June, so there should be some stuff to keep things interesting. I will be leveling my Gnome Hunter, and doing the pre-Legion event.
Just play old runescape ya fuckin plebs
>>338475737
not everything needs to be brown and grey
>>338477947
runescape is shit tho
So whats next hyped upcoming MMO since Black desert flopped?
>>338478316
that's the problem : NOTHING.
>>338478010
nice bait because nobody can be that retarded
>>338476238
^This.WoW's art design really put me off years ago that is why i didnt give it a shot before.It just looks so bland and uninspired with warhammer aesthetics which i also hate.Well i hate MMOs anyway.Not because of the concept, i actually love the objective of MMOs where you play with alot of people you do quests raids and such but they all have shitty and boring gameplay mechanics and awful to mediocre art design.
>>338474075
the problem is they don't have good gameplay
they have all the bullshit fluff, but it plays like shit
>>338472020
none because they're all shit
not even WoW can hold my interest anymore, all the good private servers are close to dead anyways
>>338478316
Dunno. Maybe someone knows korean and can look up if there are any interesting projects in the works?
>>338478507
>>338476238
The main idea behind warcraft from the start was having a super serious edgelord plot that is portrayed with goofy aesthetics
The main reason wc2 and 3 ( and wc1 but to a much lesser extent) still look decent is because of that artstyle with heavily contrasted colors.
And you can't deny that they tried their best to maintain that style for over 20 years.
Hate the gameplay all you want, but the artstyle is what made warcraft age a lot slower then most other mmos.
most mmos that look stunning today will look like shit in a few years.
Because style>graphics
Now if you don't like the style well that's just personal preference
>>338478870
As if korean mmos ever worked for us
>>338478927
Just because the artstyle is iconic doesnt mean its anything close to being good.
>>338476498
>300 players
what the fuck, didn't the horde guild on the first realm have a lot of people already?
>>338474656
I started playing, having fun so far.
>>338472020
Marvel Heroes 2016It's shit.
>>338478961
At least they're trying something and from time to time they make interesting mmos. Western devs just emulate WoW and have zero innovative ideas.
Black Desert would have been a true next-gen mmo if the devs just stayed on the sandbox path instead of doing a 180 and transforming the game into a generic themepark freemium cash cow.
>>338479061
You're confusing your personal preference with fact
>>338475505
>marrowgarr dies in 2 hits
>random moose takes 5-10 hits.
All this time we were never needed to save azeroth from the lich king, Random moose number 4 could have been the hero!
>>338479274
It's just objectively bad, mate.Only nerds with no sense of artistic vision would find WoW's art design appealing.
>>338478316
Chronicles of Elyria
There is also
Pantheon: Rise of the Fallen
Camelot Unchained
Crowfall
Gloria Victis
Albion Online
Worlds Adrift
Project Gorgon
Forsaken Legends
Everquest Next was also cancelled in case you missed it.
>>338472303
shit they released f.slayer 2nd awakening
time to go make my milf
>>338479128
Everyone who played on K1 left for K2, so the K1 guild got like 4 players left now.
It might actually be closer to 400 players in the k2 ally guild atm
>>338473703
I thought they closed the doors on this or are you on a private server?
Why aren't you playing Ultima Online on private servers?
>>338479668
>It's just subjectively bad
FTFY
>Only nerds with no sense of artistic vision would find WoW's art design appealing.
From the nerds point of view you're a sperg with no sense for visual design and color theory
Still doesn't make either of you correct
>>338472020
Once in a while I play DCUO. it doesn't have much depth but I love the combat
>>338472020
WoW- Cleared heroic raid with a guild, didn't have the bodies for mythic so everyone quit. Log on occasionally to finish loremaster.
Tera- Nice graphics, Elins. Combat is slow and repetitive, UI is a clusterfuck. They are having an event right now, I'll stop playing it when everyone quits in a month
Tree of Savior- Fun leveling, no endgame. I think I'm having more fun playing with the class build tool than I am actually playing the game.
Mobashit- Intentionally losing games in ranked league of legends to piss off shitters while I wait for Overwatch to release.
Diablo 3 is fine too.
>>338476448
I've played for a few weeks now and loving it. I love the fact that I can literally set out and do anything, and I will probably find something to advance my character, PLUS I will find people. The playerbase doesn't seem huge, but I guess it's really active? I mean, I can log on, sit in some random cave, and some people are gonna show up and likely group with me.
On the surface, when I first installed and saw the character creation, I thought it was gonna be barebones as fuck but there's a lot of items and doodads that are linked together in a lot of ways. It's an alpha but it's very playable and updated constantly.
If I wasn't playing this, I'd probably be playing Asheron's Call 2. A friend got me into it recently and I just love the exploration and the community.
OP here, thanks for all the answers and constructive addings in this thread, got an idea overall of what people are doing and it gave me some ideas too !
Have a great day everyone !
>>338480473
Maybe you shouldnt include your nostalgic feelings when criticising things.
>inb4 le meme comeback
>>338481338
did you reply to the wrong post?
>>338472357
>I don't know if low level content is broken or if the game is too easy but I two-shot every mob I meet.
It doesn't change at higher levels. I just finished a free week of play along with the free upgrade to WoD and nothing can hurt you. Sure it makes questing faster but it's an insane change compared to what it was like questing in Vanilla again.
>>338476498
do not play with /vg/
/vg/ guilds prop themselves up as a resource for /vg/ to play together but that's not what they are. there's a group of like 4-5 autists who have been there FOREVER who control everything. every single guild, every resource like discord, etc.
if you do not suck up to them and kiss their asses, if you go against even one of them, you will be out of the pecking order and will probably be kicked out of everything. it's a massive waste of time.
Can why talk about why BDO failed?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SwjiJtJYQA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7oo33mR-dE
I've developed beaten wife syndrome for Runescape. It's a shit game but I'm currently back playing it off and on.
>>338472357
What are you enjoying about it? I'm considering resubbing for some casual play (used to be a naxx40 raider)
>>338475505
I think I'm actually gonna resub when action cam is implemented and just take it slow.
Does anyone know when action cam is due to hit retail?
Runescape the new one
>tfw you'll never play maplestory again before everything went to shit starting with pirates
>tfw you'll never sit around the training ground, screen clearing the low level mobs with your high level dragon knight while chatting with friends you're pretty sure are all 30 year old virgins
I will play some mmo when there be something interesting. I played wow for 5 years, and eventually got bored. Than all of mmo was just wow with different textures and sometimes different battle system. When there be finally truly new and interesting MMO, then i play.
But it probably will never happens, couse doing really good MMO is expensive task, and stupid mobile games still bring more revenue.
>>338474135
How do you feel about CCP trying to implement daily quests for SP rewards?
>>338482447
Not him, but I can't imagine he gives a shit. Honestly though, those who criticize it only do so apparently because "but I'll feel like I have to do it", as if missing out on 10k SP is going to fuck with them at all. That little amount of SP is an issue to them? What about all the fresh players missing out on 50M SP vs. everybody else? Empathy.. Game design.
>>338472020
Around 600 hours in guld wars 2
>>338472020
WoW. As has been mentioned it's become somewhat dumbed down and some retard decided that being social is for autists, so that's non-existant. Yet, I still find it fun enough to play. If you like single-player games with optional multiplayer, then WoW is right down your alley.
DAoC
Remember this horrible pay2win game?
>>338475505
When I'm taking, I find the default camera to be absolutely awful. Dungeons often have ceilings that fuck with the camera, and having something that could fix how impossible it is to get the screen in a place that isn't completely blocked by the boss is a nice idea.
>>338482706
Could have been so good.
>>338472020
only the BEST
I play Wakfu with some of my friends. There's tons of bugs but it's pretty fun for the most part. It runs on toasters too.
>>338475775
>4 button gameplay
>top-down click move
Nah. If it's standard MMO movement and gameplay though, you're basically suggesting just stuff to do, like taking areas.
>>338475893
>Wildstar
>have to level shit all over again
This is the main reason most keep playing WoW. Prove me wrong.
>>338476219
>An MMO has class restrictions based on race
What fucking news. If you can't get over playing as the mini elves, you might have security issues.
>>338481542
The writing was on the wall when we heard the vision switch years ago already like anon said >>338479197
>>338481541
>playing with anyone you know from 4chan
This is where it all goes wrong.
>>338476238
>>338478507
>having a problem with cartoons
What's it like to be a complete fuck?
>>338476219
Elins taught me the glory of chubby thighs. I do no regret it
>>338476265
Where?
>>338483229
Sorry for not enjoying playing little girls that looks 6yo and who show their butt-cheeks by just running.
Also, go back to your loli threads please.
>>338479197
Except almost this whole board has absolutely no creative input for MMOs becoming more sandbox focused like they should.
Currently: TESO
Whenever there's new content: The Secret World
>>338483051
>tfw /vg/ guild died
>>338479197
>Western devs just emulate WoW and have zero innovative ideas.
Have you not been paying attention to shit like Life is Feudal, Gloria Victis, Project Gorgon, Camelot Unchained, Shroud of the Avatar, etc. The problem is that they're all in alpha development hell.
There is also EVE, Trove, and DDO that aren't copy-paste WoW.
The only Korean MMO I want to try is Civilization Online before it's DOA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yh2Gf-T41a4
>>338483737
wait Vindictus is still alive?
>>338483527
M8, little girls are endearing. It seems like you have no fondness for the simple, which are some of the greatest treasures.
>>338483889
ye mang
new character soon™
>>338484010
where's the vindictus general thread at tho?
>>338484080
with most of the playerbasegone
>>338475893
it's deader than fucking death itself m8
Eff Eff Ecks Eye Vee.
>>338475893
I'd be playing Wildstar if having 250 ping wasn't such a handicap.
>>338472357
It has been like that since Cata. I remember actually dying if I fucked up still in WotLK especially during low/mid levels but in Cata suddenly every mob was made of paper and they got rid of all world elite monsters. Soloing basically is just a chore, you don't actually have to try at all.
>>338482447
I don't really care, I already have 207 million skillpoints. I have everything I could want, I put points in capital ships why I don't even fly them.
>>338482565
Thus
desu wow is the best mmo to date and still is a very good game. i really like the new raid mechanics they introduced with mop.
the problem with wow is that,
1. the end game content (excluding the mythic raiding) is a bit short and easy to do so after couple of months people dont have much to do with the game. desu heroic raiding should be a bit harder.
2. welfare legendary items that even the worst player can get by doing the lfrs. lfr should be out of the game. then the casual gamer can say "but i cant do raids if there is no lfr", you dont need lfr, normal mode is piss easy you can ignore majority of the tactics.
3. heroic dungeons shouldnt lose significance at end game. this means item level upgrade from raid tier to raid tier should be less. we started wod with 630 heroics and now we are at 730 heroic hfc gear. this is very bad design. tbc heroics were very good imo, they were not easy and even at end game casual raiders still needed it due to whatever type of valor points they dropped for buying good gear and they were still challanging to some degree. right now a heroic hfc geared tank can literally pull half of the "mythic dungeon" mobs.
4. wow requires socializing if you want to do the raids in a fun environment. even wow devs admit single player experience of wow is pretty bad. but when you are in a fun group, it is really nice game.
so go ahead, play it. call me shill or whatever. i still like the game.
Playing XIV. I enjoy playing with my cute cat girl.
>>338474749
PSO2 is a terrible Phantasy Star game and most nostalgiafags are massively butthurt over iti like it but it contains many fucking flaws, literally no reason to keep playing once you obtain BiS weapons, long ago you would need multiple weapons for BiS but nowadays all you need is 1 or 2 of each kind, except for DB BO and probably FO would require 2 elements, was going to say TE but its stupid with the current state of the game and can do fine with a light 13* wand
>>338472357
>vanilla deadmines
>if some retarded hunter breaks the sheep you might seriously wipe
>modern deadmines
>rush through it and aoe everything
this is boring
>>338472020
I flip between multiple free or B2P MMO's now to stave off the boredom of content droughts.
I switch between LotRO, GW2, and ESO.
Basically whichever one it's been the longest since I've actually played so there's more new content to do.. that's the one I play more of at the time. Right now that's ESO, since before this month I had not played it since last August, since then they added wrothgar/orsinium and the Thieves Guild, so there's stuff to do. Before that it was LotRO, since they added a new zone and raised the level cap (which I hate that they raised the cap).. it was kind of a shitty update, so basically I got to 105 and stopped playing.
Then there's GW2 which is currently in a content drought.
>>338483070
>Those Moon Island mobs
true fucking scum.
>>338480383
https://www.returnofreckoning.com/
before live died a guy made an emulator, discontinued it after a while and some dudes picked it up and got it working up to T4 recently.
works pretty well so far, average server pop is around 700. one thing though the server's located in UK.
Having fun playing in a Legacy guild on WoW and progressing with the guild.
>>338476432
>The assholes even disabled appearance change.
Wait, what? Explain, please.
>>338485123
>Mercenary PvP mode
Fuck, it's nice (but Horde always loses).
>>338478316
I was looking forward to Peria Chronicles Online, but that seems to have dropped off the face of the earth.
>>338485419
This should be a thread on the WoW forums. I can't be arsed to be interested in leveling because there's no danger.. no anticipation, and I can't even be carrot'd out by the idea of professions anymore.
>>338476219
I love TERA's classes and combat and cosmetics/artstyle, but hate the content you get to do with it.
It's taken me several months to admit it to myself, after trying multiple times to like doing dungeons in it
But I'm finally at the "I quit again" stage where I don't even log in anymore.
>>338485940
its because majority of the horde (as well as me) are pve players thus suck major at pvp.
>go back to anarchy online
>the game is a complete clusterfuck of basically every monetization model known in an online game
>but the core game that I liked 16 years ago is still there and free
Everything turned out better than expected and I can multi-log like the cool kids were doing in 1999 without paying out the ass.
PSO2 is pretty fun. Logged more hours on it than any other game, somehow.
It's in a wierd place, the bosses and even mobs actually would be pretty challenging, but the huge party sizes and over-geared players make most things a cakewalk. I suggest finding friends who like to self-impose challenges with you, it's definitely got the elements of a great game. Dark Falz Luther is hands-down my favorite boss battle of all time, and he still gives some parties a run for their money.
There should be an MMO that allows botting.. and making real money.
>no grinding
>skill based combat
Why would it be so hard for an MMO to try this?
>>338486682
EVE online
>>338486809
you can only pick one.
examples: Vindictus, BDO
>>338486809
because latency
>>338486809
>le skill based combat meme
there is literally nothing wrong with WoW's combat system
Is making half a billion dollars off of a game annually "dying" though?
It was XIV but I lost just about all my interest not long after Heavensward launched. Blizzard gave everyone WoD and a week of game time so I might try WoW again for the hell of it even if I haven't subbed since Cata.
>>338487069
if it was making over a billion a year just a few years ago? Yes.
>>338487069
dying is usually referred to as the soul or playerbase of a game dying, not the revenue
>>338487172
It wasn't making a billion ever.
>>338486582
Oy vey, did you get good uberchao or are you still the same ERP shitter as always?
The whole game is a cake walk if you gitgud
>>338486994
>playing a game where you press the same five keys in the same order over and over
This is the fucking problem with MMOs, they focus on making the game a grind fest which encourages botting, yet none of them focus on the main feature of MMOs, the fact that a lot of players can interact with each other
Wildstar, cuz.
>>338487289
hasn't it lost half of its subscribers since the WotLK days? It was at 12 million subscribers.
World of Tanks and World of Warships.
>>338472835
>>338473989
The EU servers have actually been moved to mainland Europe now, so ping is way better for European players.
You can also use WTFast as well and get your ping even lower.
>>338487435
Hhahhahahaa. Most games only have you press 3 or 4 buttons max consistantly
>>338487435
You literally have the same level of possible interaction in the current game, the problem is that you guys are autistic and need to be handcuffed to other autistic people to make "small talk".
>>338474075
Gameplay is pretty hot, 9/10 would boink.
>>338487435
>implying that's what WoW's combat is
If you relegate yourself to shitter content, sure. Try some high level raiding or PvP. People who shit on tab targeting always come off as super inexperienced in games where it's utilized well. And what gets me is that action combat tends to be "pressing the same five keys in the same order over and over", just with lag fucking you over.
The only one I play now is Lotro, since it's free and runs on my crap pc. I like exploring the world a lot, but I usually get bored after a couple of weeks, stop playing and lose my house.
>>338487526
Blizzard always fudged numbers. They said "subscribers," but they had a lot of different subscription models. The vast majority of the number were always chinese "subscriptions." Which were pay-by-the-hour, free to open, got a few hours free upon opening and monthly, never closed, and were always considered active (at the time). Later they changed it so the accounts were only considered active if someone logged in once every three months, which resulted in a huge drop in "subscriptions."
Still playing FFXI, 12 years after I started.
Still have shit to do, friends to help, and plenty of people around to do things with. It's gonna suck shit when they eventually shut it down because of the tumor that is XIV.
>>338472020
I'm playing Tera and gw2, preacher I don't play gw2 as much as I run an RP guild because the game hasn't had good to do in it like every other mmo in existence including ones that focus on endgame.
I'm glad mmos are dying though, be nice to clear out the old blood and bring in the new.
>>338487298There's no escape for me.
Anyway, doing something like reducing party size can at least make dying and losing at least an actual threat that you have to work to avoid. I mean, if you can solo this game easily, I can respect that and believe it, there are people who can. But if things like healing items and massive party size weren't so prevalent, the bosses would easily be harder than those in most other vidya.
And I never ERPed. Even attempted, but I can't dig it.
>>338486856
If they allowed botting, I'd play. You're probably a dev giving me the all clear, but then my account gets banned because I don't have proof, so..
>>338487889
You know, people always pull this "durr it's all Chinese subs" but never actually show any metrics or stats that show this.
>>338487774
LotRO runs like shit for me, even after upgrading my computer and getting new computers over the year the same hitches happen, like when you run into another player the game hitches because it's loading up all the irrelevant shit about that player like their bio, their bank contents, etc (Yes, LotRO is based on spaghetti coding). It has some bad memory leaks too, when you go around minas tirith if you're in DX11 mode and have graphics on higher settings you will CTD because the game is still a 32 bit client and it runs out of memory. (GW2 fixed this same problem by making a 64 bit client)
a lot of newer games run a lot better for me.
>>338486938
What pisses me off with Nexon is that they make a game like Vindictus, then pull a 180 with Dragon Nest and make a game that is way overly simplified and super heavy on the grind factor.
Every fucking high level mob in that game is simple as fuck to deal with, they just become ludicrous damage sponges. That and leveling takes for ever, so you have to run the same dungeons ten million times over to get anywhere.
>>338486994
How about that everybody's already played it for about 5 xpacs?
>>338488365
I said WoW's combat system, not WoW itself m8.
>>338487673
High level any combat requires a certain amount of skill. However in wow it has more to do with proper rotation than any reactionary skill, inb4 someone tries to pretend like raids aren't ability based DDR.
>>338488240
You know, people always pull this "THERE'S NO STATS OR METRIC TO PROVE IT SO THEREFORE ALL BLIZZARD SUBSCRPTIONS ARE PAYING 15 A MONTH THUS WOW IS MAKING GORRILLIONS A YEAR" but they never acknowledge the fact chinese wow account practices are documented (with links between huge subscription dips and changes to chinese account policies) while blizzard has a vested interest in saying "subscriptions" and letting their braindead investors think that means 15,000,000x$15x12 = WHOAMYGAWD
Traditional MMOs are dead. All you have now are private servers for older games, Korean grindfest skinners box simulators, world of casualcraft, and EVE online. Personally, I think mobas have dethroned mmos. So you're better off finding a different game to play.
>>338488507
>However in wow it has more to do with proper rotation than any reactionary skill, inb4 someone tries to pretend like raids aren't ability based DDR.
I'm more talking about PvP where you have a lot of other factors besides raw DPS/HPS. Things like mobility and staying on target, offhealing, CC, proper CD usage, positioning, etc.
>>338487673
DFO has combos, and it's super fun to play.
>>338488502
But you'd point to WoW as an example of decent WoW-like combat, because there aren't really any tuned alternatives.
>>338486112
Agree pretty much
I have more fun leveling new classes than playing endgame. I have 8 different classes on lv65. Not saying endgame is compleatly bad, most of the dungeons are fun and challenging but they get super repetitive and it's the same gameplay loop every patch. That is get the new gear and grind the same dungeon with shit players over and over.
I guess what keeps me playing is the fun combat system, cool classes and elins ofcourse.
>>338487673
I know for a fact that you could set up a macro in wotlk for warriors that required you to spam 3 keys and hold shift while doing it for aoe. Would top DPS charts easy.
>>338488816
Protip: it's not by Nexon anymore.
I'm sure most have stated it already but FF14 is pretty excellent. Huge community, looks great, and it's fun to play. The early game stuff (anything before Lv.30) is piss easy but it slowly starts to get more and more difficult from then on. Lv.50+ is pretty awesome to me. I can understand why they did this to ease in newbies so I'm cool with it and getting from Lv.1 to 30 is a cakewalk. Hell, you can get from Lv.1 to 15 nigh instantly and the daily bonuses help tremendously in getting from Lv.15 to 50. I got the newly released Dark Knight from Lv.30 to 50 in about two weeks from pretty much only doing daily content.
I also like how the game demands you to understand your character and make efficient use of all of your moves. Like, for Black Mage, you don't get rid of Fire 1 when you get Fire 2. Every Fire and Blizzard move, from 1 to 4, have their place and need to be used at the right time. It is dumb that the Thunder moves are all just upgrades but whatever, I guess.
>>338488907
... literally every class could top DPS charts by switching to aoe.
Except rogues lol
>>338488790
As I said the same deal, honestly gw1&2 PvP was and still is better than wows combat in terms of PvP. Which in itself is stupid because it's all instanced garbage that does nothing to create guild competition. WoWs PvP has always been terrible and pointless.
there's that soul worker game, that's bound to waste an hour or two
>>338488907
WotLK warriors had 50+ keybinds in order to play properly in PvP.
>>338488839
Even the leveling isn't very fun.
I like the combat but the questing, the dungeons, the PVP, it's all shit.
I want a Dark Souls MMO.
It would take some creative thinking to make it work, but, it'd be different. It could be what we need to inject some life back in to MMOs.
I was playing FFXIV a lot since 3.2 released, but my sub ran out, and I'm trying to drop the genre for good.
>>338489116
I disagree with this entire post. GW2 is all-in-all terrible, GW1 was great because of the customization you could get lost in, and the small group objective oriented PvP. WoW arena has yet to be surpassed in terms of MMO PvP.
>>338489167
There's not even a DaS server game.
>>338486059
>optimal mana/health spending rotation
>bunching the correct quests together
>planning your leveling routes that you can visit towns when needed
>doing pulls and cc without fucking yourself over
>death might mean that you spend the next 10 minutes running through STV as a ghost
>buffs actually meant something
It is amazing how many small things you can ruin by making the one aspect of the game piss easy.
>>338480398
Because I played UO at launch and nothing will compare to it.
Maybe it was because I played retail when I was a kid, but every private server I've tried feels like a soulless husk compared to the original game.
Unlike WoW, where private servers like Nos can recreate not only the mechanics but the sense of community and "feel" of the original (at least until they're shut down).
Me and a pal recently started play DCUO. Its his first time and im a returning player.
We just shit talk kids in pvp saying shit like RUN BARRY RUN and when we win we say im the fastest man alive. Just a good game for shits and giggles. Customization is real nice. Slightly p2w in that you have to buy the rest of your powers from the marketplace and you only start with 6.
>>338472020
I used to play a shit game (SHIT GAME!) called Phantasy Star Online. I do hope they bring it to the west and will play it only if they start at Episode 1. But the moment we get to Episode 3 it goes to shit and I will quit again.
Now I play.. Blade & Soul, Black Desert Online, Dungeon Fighter Online, Kiritika Online, Moonlight Blade Online, Monster Hunter Online, Soul Worker Online, Closers Online.
I registered an account so I can play the FOTM Lost Ark Online when the CBT goes live.
I'm maining Black Desert and Dungeon Fighter right now.
>>338489385
>running in circles at max 5vs5 need to be surpassed in MMO-pvp
shill some more
>the golden age of simple open source MMO's that could be completely customized down to the server code + graphics will never return
RIP Graal Online
>>338489385
Arena PvP is the worst thing to happen to mmo PvP, it turns a massively multiplayer game into a shitty arena game with subpar combat system with autism.
>>338489795
lad I hate current WoW. It's a shit game currently and Legion will suck dick. I'm not shilling anything, I'm talking about the system WoW utilized being a good combat system for MMO PvP. I'm trying to have a conversation about it with you.
>running in circles at max 5vs5 need to be surpassed in MMO-pvp
That's a gross oversimplification of it. Do you have much experience with WoW arena?
>>338489923
graal wasn't open source though
that's like saying game maker is open source
>>338490067
Why do you feel WoW's combat system is shitty and subpar?
>>338489060
Would top dps even in single target. My roommate who played during vanilla and bc set it up. He came back to play right before cata came out and destroyed a lot of smug faggots in our guild while wearing shitty greens. It was funny too, because a lot of people in the raid were talking shit about having to carry him through regular raids to get gear.
I know it's not at the same level going to higher ranked raids, but i guarantee if he actually gave a shit about WoW again and got a full raid set, he could do it again.
>>338489147
Yeah but that's because your facing each other and have to react to an actual person, dps in raids is simple.
>>338490174
Open enough to make it whatever you wanted I guess.
Someone was working on a true open source client but it's been fucking dead in the water for years now.
>>338490225
>Yeah but that's because your facing each other and have to react to an actual person, dps in raids is simple.
I agree. The vast majority of the time PvE is extremely simple and easy.
>>338483745
>The problem is that they're all in alpha development hell.
This. I can still see a lot of potential in the genre, but there are literally zero developers that have the muscles to push out an interesting product. It is either horrible carbon copies of neo-WoW or Korean scams.
>>338475539
Not really, even the big WoW channels can't bring themselves not to shit on the game
>>338490189
This isn't really a conversation as it is two people slinging opinions at each other. Arena pigeonholes a system that could promote massive player interaction into a closed I'm instanced area.
It's more reliant on keyboard and hotkey counters than it is I'm positioning an stitch based skill, it I wanted to play an arena anything I would and do play UT. That's the problem here and the same!we reason that overwatch DM being based around abilities is awful. It's reliant on hotkeys which are an oversimplification of button inputs but because the combat system lacks a z axis or proper positional skill all you can do is add more hotkeys, which makes it boring and subpar. And completely against the genre trying to play around in as it only focuses on 5v5
>>338490189
terrible arbitrary time between attacks. You literally click an enemy and your character attacks it without you. yeah you can fucking do abilities and move and shit. but the games so fucking easy you don't need to. So yeah you can move and press buttons to make your character do something. But you never actually do anything. you just watch your character do anime spins until something dies. No real thought or effort put in. You don't do anything WoW's combat single handedly ruined every other MMO ever. because people don't fucking understood why people liked WoW. it's good because of the gameplay obvs right, most people would assume a game is good for that reason. but nah everyone who played wow knows the combat is fuckign useless bullshit to get fancy clothes so you can go wait 8 hours for the raid to unlock, because You can't just do it a lot. You pay us for the time to play. but 90% of the time it's dailies, mat farming, or waiting for a raid. The game is pointless, ruined any charm or nostalgia it had, and completely ruined the Warcraft franchise so permanently, that they released a movie based on the first two games like 20 fucking years after their heyday.
WoW is the single worst MMO EVER made. Other than Swotor, which is bad for literally the exact same reasons, just stuff star wars where applicable. But. WoW is older and has no excuse as to why they made it over warcraft 4.
if you play WoW, played WoW, or never played it. Stop giving it attention. Let blizzard fuck themselves to death slowly making bigger and bigger flops over time.
>>338490979
>It's more reliant on keyboard and hotkey counters than it is I'm positioning an stitch based skill
Arena is very positioning based. I agree it's not so much focused on accuracy and twitch reaction times (it has some of those elements in certain situations), it's about using your GCDs and CDs intelligently and coordinating with your teammates. I don't think the system is inherently boring or subpar.
We just have different opinions and I think yours stems from lack of experience and understanding with it altogether.
>>338491303
stupid post entirely
Maplestory
I hate my life
>>338491305
No it's not, not even close to the combat overall, I think your opinion comes a lot from a lack of understanding of what DM and proper positional combat is while having a lack of experience in competitive shooters. It goes into the same reason why rising thunder lacks a lot of the footsie complexity of normal fighters.
I also think it stems from the lack of experiemcing proper world PvP al la daoc, rf, AC, and lineage. It wouldn't even matter how good the arena based PvP is, it's a fucking mmo. So focusing on stuff like duels ( looking at you bns) is retarded and focusing on the weakest of the genre which is the fact that it is hotkey based combat.
>>338472357
Blizzard said they acknowledge that the low level content got fucked up in MoP and they plan to re-adjust it in Legion
>>338492151
>No it's not, not even close to the combat overall
The way I described WoW arena PvP is perfectly accurate.
> I think your opinion comes a lot from a lack of understanding of what DM and proper positional combat is while having a lack of experience in competitive shooters
I'm not sure what DM combat is and I guess you're right about me not having experience with "proper positional combat". I do have tens of thousands of hours with competitive shooters though. CS:S, TF2, early CoD, and a few others.
>I also think it stems from the lack of experiemcing proper world PvP al la daoc, rf, AC, and lineage. It wouldn't even matter how good the arena based PvP is, it's a fucking mmo
I'm not even advocating for arena, I'm using it as an example to show how skill-based and complex WoW's combat system can be. I'm arguing purely for hotkey, tab-targeting combat.
>>338490979
>>338492151
>Arena pigeonholes a system that could promote massive player interaction into a closed I'm instanced area
This isn't a criticism for the actual gameplay viability.
>It's more reliant on keyboard and hotkey counters than it is I'm positioning an stitch based skill
I'm guessing that's "twitch based skill". Which is irrelevant -- there are more types of skill than manual aiming in an FPS, like reacting to the characters are healing or doing a really damaging attack (to prevent them), or to properly time the abilities on and off CD so that the team has the best chance of winning.
I'm not sure your actual criticism with the gameplay beyond that.
>It's reliant on hotkeys which are an oversimplification of button inputs
DFO would disagree, even on the positioning critique.
>because the combat system lacks a z axis or proper positional skill all you can do is add more hotkeys
It could technically have an upward meta and a lot more mobility.
In any case, your criticism is basically just "it's not a shooter" without any real reason why it's actually less skillful to win. Post your 2k or even glad achievement then, if it's so simple.
>>338481665
Leveling is still enjoyable.
>>338490386
I will say one thing though, classes with a lot of random procs can get annoying to play if you don't macro. I played and ele shaman in woltk and when cata came out it was a LITTLE hard to focus on the mechanics and keep my rotation on max damage. I don't remember exactly how it went, but i remember having at least 4 or 5 random procs that would change my rotation and had to be used by level of importance. I'm sure I could have macrod it all, but I managed.
In all honesty I would probably still be playing WoW if guild drama didn't make our raid groups fall apart. Even a shitty game is fun with friends to some extent.
>>338492494
>in MoP
It was way, way, way before that.
>>338493220
Tab-targeting PvE can be retardedly difficult to do perfectly in a lot of different cases. Look at Feral in MoP for the best example of this. The problem is Blizzard is so fucking lazy and incompetent, they can barely ever get it right.
>>338472020
I play WoW, but when I need variety I'll hop over to FFXIV for a month, and after that do some other f2p ones to remind me why I like WoW more.
Also, Star Trek Online is coming to consoles this year, so get excited about that.
>>338476265
>SWG
>EVE
my friend, great taste
When Im not playing WoW I play warframe
Mists of Pandaria was actually good leveling. Everyone complains about it, but I don't understand why.
You only had ground mounts, you had to mind your pulls otherwise you'd get overwhelmed, enemies were generally harder, and there were minibosseses that spawn randomly around the map that gave you rewards for killing them but provided challenging fights with interesting mechanics regardless of your class. There was also hidden shit everywhere.
I've picked up Asheron's Call lately, if you can find a bunch of people to play with it's a lot of fun
>download 1.12.1 client
>register on kronos
>level to 5
>bored out of my mind
I just want to replay vanilla deadmines one or two times damnit
EVE Online, ratting and doing PvE missions, the other players are an annoyance but theres no other game like it so I have no choice.
Mabinogi
I tried the FFXIV trial recently, but dropped it quickly since I played it like a singleplayer RPG and it's a boring RPG. I don't think I know how to play MMOs, same thing happened to me with Tera and Blade & Soul.
>>338474075
But gameplay SHOULD be the fun part.
>SMT Imagine servers were shut down
Goddammit I miss those times so much it hurts.
>>338494485
Playstation 1 has PSN!?
>>338483051
See, I would play an MMO with a combat like this. But the thing about MMOs is that they are boring themepark games. There is no clan fight, territory wars, or good looking weapons and armors.
http://mud.co.uk/richard/The%20Decline%20of%20MMOs.pdf
i've been playing final fantasy 14 for a good while and im still enjoying it though that doesn't mean the game doesn't have it's faults
>>338481542
>two shit streamers quit
>WoW babbys can't handle pvp game
>GAEM IS DEAD NOBODY PLAYS
Go back to FFXV kids
>>338495009
>What is World ofTanks
>>338476238
>I only play mature games for mature gamers such as myself
>>338495306
Not an MMO.
>>338494596
I did the XIV Trial and I really tried to like it because I have friends who play it, but I couldn't, the 2.5s gcd just single handedly ruined the game for me, the boring landscape questing didn't help either.
>>338495306
The free experience system in that game is what many MMORPGs should adopt.
>>338494184
Maybe because sitting through leveling content after sitting through no raid updates isn't appealing.
>>338495363
>A massively multiplayer online game is not a Massively Multiplayer Online game
It has territories and clan wars too, just like you said.
>>338495498
Not if it's still just like 15v15 and instance based.
>>338495498
Then I guess Call of Duty is an MMO as well?
It's not MASSIVELY multiplayer, dummy.
>>338495498
No persistent world.
Persistent world is pretty key in an MMO.
>>338495597
You're moving goalposts.
>>338495405
>Level a character to 100 in WoW
>Can start another character at level 25ish
Would be pretty cool.
Just don't play anime MMOs or anime-ish MMOs. Their community is always full of cancer that doesn't care about anything other being gays and pedos.
>>338494395
I don't understand how people like you can play EVE and not get bored or suicidal... like you are doing the entire game wrong.
>>338476270
nigga I played it during vanilla and got to level 17 on a rogue then quit out of boredom and went right back to Star Wars Galaxies
the last good MMO
fuck SOE
>>338475750
I can't get it to work on linux fml
>>338479927
>Chronicles of Elyria
lol. So many fucking features that will be cut. I wouldn't expect shit from CoE.
>>338495306
Never played that, I heard the game's demographic is 30+ men, but right now I don't tank battles that exciting. I will eventually have to check it out if you say it includes all of those features I mentioned.
>>338495809
Idgaf
>>338495790
No, shitter. The definition of an MMO is massively multiplayer, not arena gaming.
>>338486809
Honestly, it doesnt get any better than Dark Souls for an MMO
>>338495809
Why's that? Give actual game experience.
>>338495790
>You're moving goalposts.
That's not me familia.
This is me >>338496069
My original post >>338495009
>>338495803
I don't like to generalize and I would still play an MMO with an anime aesthetic if it's good, but yes, the majority of the time with those MMOs is that the community is absolute cancerous.
>>338496175
That doesn't make sense.
You guys just want themepark MMOs, and then you complain that they're just themeparks.
I'm playing BDO right now and it's okay.
Player interaction outside of guilds is basically non-existent, the devs obviously try to jew you with they in-game shop and it's wasting a lot of potential but the game is pretty and there is a lot of stuff to do so it should be fun for a while.
pic related, the enemies in this popular grind spot are so numerous and respawn so quickly that not having petswhich you can only obtain from the cash shopthat loot for you is a huge pain in the ass.
>>338496316
They're still massive, persistent realms with lots of players. That was a non-sequitur btw.
I have probably about 500 hours in XIV but I haven't played since last August - I didn't really have any good friends to play with, and there wasn't much content left that didn't require a raid group.
Now that 3.3's about to drop, I might jump back in, but I dunno.
Right now, I'm starting up TERA with my little brother. It's kind of a clusterfuck (so much UI clutter) but being a sorcerer tanuki who can wreck entire groups of mobs alone is kind of awesome.
>>338482706
>Left is a pink fairy elf, conetits warrior woman, Generic Protagonist Man, shota in a bear hood, and a completely retarded animal
>Right is a commissar paladin, a fucking Black Orc, a zombie techpriest, and purple Iron Man
Who in their right mind would ever play the "good guy" team?
>>338496859
gonna try BDO once they release the new class, ninja or something
game is beautiful and combat seems really fun
The last one I was playing was DFO, but I quit. I dislike the MMO genre.
There are so many great MMOs that are brought low by microtransaction or by catering to players that don't have the time to invest in an MMO.
>>338497603
EVE does this with its timed progression.
would WoW be fun for someone who has never played it before?
>>338498636
You missed the glory days by like 8 years brother
>>338498729
Yeah but would it still be alright?
>>338498636
No. It's retarded clusterfuck for new players. It's F2P up to level 20 if you want to be sure though.
Entropia universe, start on planet Arkadia
>>338498636
>>338498861
I think it would, there are a lot of areas to go if you want to level up by questing.. a lot of dungeon to clear if you want to level up by queuing..
Then the end-game has a lot of raids to gear yourself if you're PvE or a lot of BGs if you're PvP, not to mention Arena/Outdoors.
I'd say play it for free with the free access thing they're offering and see for yourself anon !
>Not a single person posting Tree of Savior while it's currently the "most popular" and "most played" also "most recent" MMO that came out..
I'm so surprised, or maybe shocked..
I mean WHAT.
>>338499491
it's shit. ToS is to RO what GW2 is to GW1, but worse.
>>338499491
Because it's shit.
>>338474135
this until star citizen comes out which is just a better eve
>>338499785
>>338499808
I do agree, that's why I'm not playing it.
But yet a lot of people are playing it I mean even /tosg/ reaches bump limits multiples times a day.
>>338499491
>Nexon
>e
>x
>o
>n
I'm so surprised, or maybe shocked..
I mean WHAT.
>>338499976
It's new.
XIV, but it's shit if you haven't got m8's that play
>>338472020
The Secret World.
Updates are slowly coming in, even if they're small ones
>>338481541
this x100
what's the best mmo for tanking? I've never really done it and i want to be the big no damage man.
>tfw played Wakfu until the 4chan guild died
>tfw forgot password and username because of server change crap
>I will never again see my beautiful Osamodas
>>338500242
How's XIV with a 3-player party? It's one of MMOs that I've been talking about with my friends, along with Archeage and BDO.
>>338472020
Resubbed last month.
I'm just casually levelling myworgen waifu.
It's morefunthan I expected. Replayed vanilla for a bit, shit was challenging, but going back and forth between quest locations before lvl 40 is boring as fuck.
>>338501030
it's fine a light party is only 4 players so you and your friends could almost fill out all the roles
also i think most people say archage isn't good and i think bdo is kind of eh
>>338500878
ffxiv, kills me to say it though
>>338487981
why is 14 a shitty tumour and 11 great? i havnt played either just interested
>>338472020
Playing on "Looking4Group," Burning Crusade private server.
Server is laggy and unstable and dungeon scripting is not terrific. Way too many fucking horde players. I'd say it's barely playable, but I also have a small guild with friends there.
WoW TBC private server
>>338499976
>/tosg/
It's an anime-styled game where you can make a waifu.
Those faggots over at /vg/ can't resist that shit. In less than a month it'll devolve into roleplaying and 'd-don't touch me there senpaiiiiii' posting.
>>338483229
Its not just race, its gender
There have been no new male classes since the game came out
>GW2 PvP game modes only
End my misery, please.
I can't play any other MMO because the combat isn't fast enough/screen isn't filled with big fucking red numbers.
star citizen alpha
>>338498636
yeah. everyone else is just jaded due to nostalgia and having played the same shit for over 5 years
if you go in blind and explore and do your own thing then absolutely
>>338472020
Black Desert
It's quite somethin
>>338495498
Massive and multiplayer? Yes
Massively Multiplayer? No
I play a lot.
EVE, RIFT, The Secret World, Wildstar, OSRS, TERA, WoW, FFXIV and some WoW private servers.
I've put more than 100 hours into all of these, and I can say that
TSW>EVE>RIFT>OSRS>FFXIV>Private WoW>TERA>WoW
>>338492643
>>338492786
Honestly you just don't understand what I'm talking about which is clear because you're bringing up DFO which isn't relevant to the conversation as we're specifically talking about WoW arena based pvp. Using shooters is a good example because there's a bunch of recognizable titles that people can relate to, if you want different examples basically a lot of the footsies in gunz, rakion, or even rising thunder don't exist when you tie inputs to hotkeys. Because of that fact charge characters like guile, dictator, and zappa cannot even exist because a hotkey is tying a specific ability down to one button. Which means in order to open up more options for a player to use aside from the learning curve of knowing when to press one button is to add more hotkeys to press or add in randomized elements which is absolutely awful for a player vs player game. Where in normally the player would have to have proper tracking or setups to get critical damage they now just have the opportunity to make it happen. This isn't to say that the same thing doesn't happen in hotkey combat but this is to say that the randomize element of it lessens the actual skill involved.
Which is the point here, not that it doesn't exist but that it is lessened by the input method and just plain fact that it is an mmo to begin with. Things like a simple wall jump, crouchjump, or even a sidejump or strafe matter a lot in normal pvp games. In natural selection a sidestep can make or break an encounter based on positioning and momentum or a slayer's dandy step or hop dash in a fighting match. With hotkey based combat that sort of finesse involved with positioning does not exist because of the margin for error in hotkeys which is only really based on when you press them and the fact that most of them are autoaim based on how far away you are from the person and if you're facing them.
>>338472020
>MMO is dying
Why stop there?
All genres are dying.
Why?
Because quality control is dying. Kikestarter and Steam Early Access paved the way (again) and showed that publishers can make developers spew out whatever garbage they want and avoid false advertisement.
Back then the worst false advertisement you could get was graphics or cut content.
Now you have publishers telling developers to shit out a game and no matter how shit it is (ie every post-Morrowind Bethesda game) normalfags will eat it up as long as they hype/shill the shit out of it with shadow-posts.
Remember when shadow-posting was illegal in journalism and could get your license taken away?
2016 crash when?
>>338494485
How do I get used to Mabinogi's combat system?
>>338472020
FFXIV for social.
Lineage 2 for mechanics.
>>338503431
If you're the elf, you're a faggot.
If you're the dragon girl, you're a double faggot.
>>338472020
Black Desert is really fun, bit rough around the edges. Everybody I've had try it hates it at first but ends up loving it.
The game has a huge learning curve but the content is so comfy. Character creator is fucking difficult too so slider casuals get upset. Combat plays like a 3rd person action game instead of targeted snooze combat like in other games. Exploring is really fucking fun especially if you don't spoil yourself with secret cave locations. Towns are always lively. My biggest gripes are the crazy outfit prices in the cash shop and lack of outfit variety without, class balance, and the rng can be rough.
>>338489623
>Undead eating skill and food actually meant something along with Cooking.
Why even keep it if you fucking refill both mana and healt bar by standing afk.
>>338503604
Who wouldn't enjoy having an Elezen bishounen husbandoh?
alsoI have a gulpossi anon
>>338499976
It's a buggy free to play mess. Give it 1-2 months it'll just be bots and autists left just like with blade and soul.
>>338503105
DFO is relevant because the conversation is and always has been about hotkey or tab targeting combat. Anything that can be done wihout hotkeys can be done with them.. Actually, every game is based on hotkeys.. MMOs just have a more visual representation of it and also base them on cooldowns. Basically all games are limited to 3 or 4 buttons.. That's just the nature of a controller-primary market. So, whatever it is you're trying to prove is inherently limited by MMO hotkeys and tab targeting, it's not a compelling argument, unless it's just FPS aiming, which not even fighters have.
Then, you go on to discuss mobility, which has nothing to do with any hotkey limitations. MMOs could have that as well.
I keep seeing these black desert posts saying that it flopped, but so far every time I enter it never feels empty. There's always a war going on, people fishing everywhere, servers being overrun.
And how is it a theme park? You can literally make up your own games inside the game. Make racing, fishing, crafting contests. Siege battles are coming soon, desert will be added where you literally need water and tents to survive.
>>338503979
>gulpossi
this is worse than ebonics
>>338502938
Literally shit taste incarnate.
TERA > BDO = FFXIV > RIFT > WoW > The Secret World
Never played EVE or have no idea what OSRS. Secret World would be much higher if the only redeeming feature weren't the lore and the puzzles/detective quests. Everything else about it is shit(played for a year after launch).
RIFT was hands down the best raiding game. Nothing can beat OG Hammerknell. FFXIV is tab-target perfected. Raids could be more challenging.
I gotta go with TERA and BDO though. Action combat just trumps everything for me. And BDO has a little bit of everything without feeling too diluted.
>>338472020
WoW, progressing Mythic Archimonde and going for ranks on WarcraftLogs until our casters decide to learn to use their mobility skills.
Why are people who play casters always so damn bad at video games?
>>338501192
Damn that image only make me want to go back to WoW.
>>338497182
Those classes already released afaik
>>338495790
You're practically carrying the goal post with you.
You don't know what MMO means.
>>338504084
>TSW
>that low
>TERA
>that high
Well anon, it looks like we like different things from our games. I like immersive storylines, fun questing, and tight-knit community. You seem to like fast-paced combat, gameplay, and little girls.
>>338504290
>You seem to like fast-paced combat, gameplay, and little girls.
you're damn right
>>338503267
Rock paper scissor.
Focus on whatever you want most (combat/ranged/magic/etc) and do all life skills related to it or that give stats for your skills, then you are good to start wrecking shit.
>>338504404
I wasn't saying it was a bad thing.
I'm a degenerate faggot though so little girls do nothing for me. Those bara dragon dudes are pretty cool though.
>>338504484
>I wasn't saying it was a bad thing.
I wasn't either.
>>338504084
TERA Is Asian shit.
BDO was okay, but then everyone found out that 90% of the fucking game is controlled client-side, so it's bascially Diablo 1-tier now. Fucking Boba Fett trainer is going to be coming out for that shit. Fucking Koreans can't into technology.
>FFXIV
>Better than anything
No. It's just a slower WoW with worse everything.
>Rift
Trion went full retard, they're a terrible dev these days.
>>338500879
I like how Osamodas are stupid good now.
>>338504034
It's just people who don't actually play the game copypasting hearsay from salty poorfags+archeage cucks that throw shade at BDO using the logic that every korean mmo MUST be shit when it's not.
>>338504524
not him but
>disliking an mmo because it's asian
>implying FFXIV isn't better than WoW
>implying RIFT isn't the best F2P MMO on the market
I'll admit they fucked the talent tree system to make it easy for dumbfucks, I loved it in the beta when I preordered it
>>338472303
if the pvp worked i would have stayed pve is korean grinding trash
>>338504084
FFXIV>The Secret World>BDO>Rift>WoW>Tera
>>338504524
Literally the man with no taste.
>>338504290
>>338504404
>>338504484
Tera is entirely compromised of furrys, trannys, gays, and every degenerate erping neckbeard. All the decent people quit asap when they realize there's nothing to fucking do besides the most bland PvE you'll ever suffer through.
>>338505040
/v/ is entirely compromised of furries, trannies, gays, and every degenerate erping neckbeard.
>>338505183
that's >>>/lgbt/
>>338504545
They always were. Double Warchief push dmg abuse was the worst shit to fight against.
Or at least they were since what, three years ago?w-what server
>>338496262
I mean playing EVE solo. Some of the best times I have ever had in EVE were in null sec fleets and cap fights, hotdropping, even dying to the old AOE Doomsdays was fun in its own way.
When I think of running missions or mining alone it's just mind numbing boredom.
I still miss it.
>>338504165
I wish..
It's not the case for NA/EU, only in Korea, and they're delaying it for us so they don't have to deal with balance issues; they're waiting for Korea to fix it for them first.
>>338472357
Game is super easy boring shit until Draenor, which is a shit expac to begin with.
Have fun!
>>338497698
Except now you can speed up that process by buying skill injectors with the isk you make playing the game.
If I had the time, I'd probably be playing Project 1999. Unfortunately the game is a massive timesink, especially since I don't have a guild or friends who are willing to join me.
EQ is a hard game to love. I wish I could get into it again.
>>338505308
Eh, later on Warchiefs become kinda meh, so you end up replacing them with stronger summons (starting with jellies).
Oh, and remington.
>>338504084
You enjoy games that aren't MMOs.
TERA is not an MMO. It's an ORPG, like Phantasy Star.
BDO is a literal Massive Solo Online game and has very cancerous anti-RPG mechanics in it. It was shilled to death as a sand-box "create your own life / economy" game, and released the opposite.
I still play WoW but content draught is lame, my guild is falling apart and I miss my bros. No new PvP content in Legion pisses me off immensely
>>338484924
Ya man. I had 100 ping and that wasn't acceptable endgame, either. It relies too heavily on movement and their only servers were in California. What were they fucking thinking with that bullshit. They spent all that ad money and none of it to accommodate players who live on the east coast.
>>338505652
See the previous point about microtransactions. Trying to make 600M for a week of SP where everything takes months to specialize into is pure funk. Most new players can maybe make 50M/hr. It's a fucking job at that point.
>>338504686
All non-Japanese. All Korean and Chinese MMOs are garbage.
FF14 is not better than WoW. It's not even better than FF11. It's prettier I guess.
RIFT is the most stillbirthed MMO on the market.
>>338504070
Get jealous anon.
>>338505760
I know, I got to 150 or something. It's never as OP again, but Osamodas has always been a powerhouse, even back when defense was elemental.
>Water def 4%, damage up the ass
>Glass cannon Osa destroying Musli
Good times.
>>338488296
Although my pc handles the game just fine when I'm just running around questing in the field, it absolutely shits the bed when I'm in Bree or even the Moria capital. I can't even imagine how bad it will be in Minas Tirith. Raids are a complete shitshow as well. I don't know if it's the particle effects or whatever, but even on the lowest settings I can barely keep up. Good thing there's always max levels in the raid who just massacre everything.
also tfw replying 3 hours later
>>338506060
>jealous of the same dragongirl avatar everyone else makes
>jealous of an online fuck-pretend partner
How do I be a good warrior in Tera and do I tank or dps because I have no clue how to tank with that class.
>>338505763
Not even who you replied to but you have no idea what you're talking about
Tera is a shitty MMO with action combat, BDO is a sandbox MMO. Quit trying to dilineate everything into different categories so that you don't have to compare each equally.
>>338506104
And then new Osa can pull Final Damage straight from it's ass (seriously, you can get 40% final damage max in dragon form)
>>338483229
Get a load of this faggot
>tfw want to play WoW again
>new expansion is shit
>no friends to play with
>no reliable private servers
what the fuck man, this is suffering
>>338506392
How "new" are we talking? They already had that when I left (last year). And dragon+summon. Has anything of worth changed?
>>338506569
Apparently Feca got nerfed. I think Osa is the same as it was.
>>338478316
MMOs are dead.
League of Legends
>Friday night
>Try out Tree of Saviors
>Everything's going well, get to lvl 35 by mostly following the quests and killing some mobs
>Suddenly I'm on a map with mobs lvl 45/47
And that's when I knew that ToS wasn't a game for me.
>>338506242
Find another Au Ra like me, I double dare you.
>>338507350
holy shit
>>338506496
What level?
>>338506496
Level new characters for Legion.
Farm old raids and dungeons for transmog gear, pets and mounts.
That's what I'm doing.
>>338501437
XI was/is a very challenging game that 100% forced you to socialize and form groups to do basically anything ever, making it very very community based, and the devs basically told you nothing about mechanics or how anything actually worked, so the player based had to Scooby Doo that shit and figure out all the gorillions of mysteries in the game.
The game also had a very diverse and unique, at the time, job system, where you could play anything on a single character, and there were multiple ways to play depending on the situation and who you were playing with, so there was always a way to keep things somewhat fresh, and the monsters in the game could rape your face at a moments notice if you aren't totally prepared to deal with them, so everything was challenging.
Plus, for a long time the level cap of the game was 75, and all the content they introduced was totally horizontal so things introduced years ago were still just as relevant as the newest content.
It also had literal 10/10 god tier music, and terrific art styles + story, and it was basically a truNEET game that you had to play constantly to make any progress ever, so the charm of the actual game world mixed with the extreme socialization made people really attached to it.
XIV is a casual WoW clone with a dungeon finder, where you can basically play the entire game without ever once speaking to another human being, unless you're a raider, where your character is basically superman and can solo the entire world aside from instanced content. Gear is handed out like candy, and then rendered basically obsolete the next patch because the entire game is about so everything they introduce IMMEDIATELY renders old content 100% obsolete and nearly useless, or was killed by level syncing turning it into a boring faceroll.
Combat and the classes have 0 variety and the only way to really play the game is to follow the 1 optimized rotation while dodging red circles until time stops.
I played Wakfu,
I hear that Dofus is better
>>338481828
Get the Storyline addon, if the action cam gets implemented it will be glorious.
>>338507456
You can buy a teleporting scoll in one of the two main cities and do the quests on the other side of the map.
>>338507551
>Not using the best horns
currently back in WoW to prepare for legi.
Trying to get Draenor flying to make leveling alts less shitty, which is still a total pain in the ass.
>>338506023
>>338505652
>Except now you can speed up that process by buying skill injectors with the isk you make playing the game.
At this point in EVE's life I don't think it really matters or is remotely in the same category. EVE Online is now quite an old game, so tons and tons of people are cruising around with 50-150m+ SP. The thing about skills is that they're more of an actual IRL skill gateway then that big an advantage beyond the early days. The bonuses they provide rarely make much difference vs knowing what and how to equip, how to fly, where, or in some cases the kinds of equipment itself.
The main role of SP really is to help make sure that by the time you can fly a given ship or equip it, you have some chance of knowing how without being a total retard. This has been constantly illustrated for years and years now, long before any of the newer SP boosters, simply by people buying full on pilots that other players have made (which is entirely allowed so long as it's done officially and according to the rules). You have rich newbs who parachute their way into a 50-100m SP account and RMT a pile of ISK and blow it all on meta 14 and similar shit, then go get blown up. They fit hilariously, mindbogglingly badly, like pirate laser/arty armor ravens, complete shitfits that cost billions. And all that money and SP is worse then worthless, they're gigantic flying pinatas that will attract pirates and gankers from dozens of systems away.
So 13+ years into the game's life I don't take issue with them giving some minor ways to speed up SP since it's balanced fine anyway. A lot of it is actually probably aimed not at newbs but retired vets, who dropped the game years ago, knew what they were doing and had 100m SP, but now face this mental wall about having "lost" 5 years or whatever.
I do wish CCP had done better with the game though, EVE never lived up to its true potential.
>>338472020
LOTRO
I have a few people to play with, and the lore is fine. The zones are ultra comfy and well designed.
However, it's made by Turbine, so you know you're in for some shit game design decisions and performance.
They stopped caring about performance long ago. They are currently just milking the game until they can end it in Mordor.
>tfw there will never be another LOTR MMO. Especially not a good one, with better graphics, non-wow combat.
>>338507551
stop please your lizard is shit,though it's not as bad as >>338508876
>>338509167
>Turbine
>well designed
nothing by Turbine is well designed.
I've played a lot of MMO's and LotRO is by far the worst performance wise, and it's an old game. It should run on toasters, but it's still choppy as fuck even on high end machines because Turbine can't code.
>>338509472
The zones are literally the best thing about LOTRO. Perhaps the only best thing about it.
>>338508035
What's the best private server for FFXI?
>>338487981
i keep meaning to come back but the current meta of thegame just throws me off, as all my old jobs are basically un-optimal, not to mention now undergeared. Im still amazed it lived as long as it did with its skelaton crew while still pumping out more solid updates than 14 did in almost its entire run.
None right now
>>338475606
not even shiling but i will resub in 1-2 weeks
clear current content, farm some rare mounts
i cant resub 1 day before the new exp, i want to get back in the world a bit before
>>338509540
I'd argue there's too many circular mountain ranges containing the zones. Turbine just rings a zone with mountains to make borders too often.
>>338509470
>lizards
They're burnt victims
>>338510047
WoW does that too much. LOTRO somewhat reduced that whole mountain deal. I find that they have more open zones than "Woops, lets make a cube zone and section it off with mountain ranges". Though, still guilty of it.
>ToS failed miserably
>Black Desert is just another sandbox with no direction or proper tools to engage players meaningfully
>Blizzard is going to do something last minute to ruin Legion
Whats next?
>>338509929
doing that lately , if i feel like playing i resub for a month , farm everything and burn myself in that month , and drop it
>>338510338
B-but anon, ToS is still in the top 20 of steams currently playing!I hate myself for having hope in this game.
>>338506060
>au ra
Fucking disgusting. At least go full degenerate and get a cat girl man pretending to be a woman
>>338510168
Eriador was mostly nice and open but when they got to Lorien and Mirkwood they closed it off with mountain ranges, Enedwaith, Dunland, some other zones.
Too many MMO's are doing that really. making zones instanced rather than open world. ESO and GW2 are REALLY guilty of it.
I used to play the shit out of Grand Fantasia.
At least I had fun while it lasted.
>>338510725
True. However, Rohan sectioned itself off only by a river, same with the marshes, I believe?
Anyways, the worst part about the game is the 30 year old facebook meme loving soccer moms and 12 year olds.
I got banned 2 times because of world chat and the lack of spine in the people.
>>338475890
If I wanted a breadline simulator I'd move to Russia.
>>338510409
iktf bruh
last time i played an entire expansion was wotlk
after that its a 2month card per expansion
plus i already "completed" wow in my head because since forever i only wanted 2 things from this game, the warglaives and al'ar, and i got them both
so i just farm some mounts and get some achives from those days
mfw i had the 100 mount achi back in wotlk and now 3 full exps later i have 115 just to show you how much i was playing then
>>338511004
LotRO's "friendly" community is one of the most report happy places I've ever been on the internet, you can get banned or forcibly name changed for almost anything.
I've seen someone named "Titus" get renamed because it has the word "Tit" in it.
I had a friend who's burglar's name was "Touch" and his original surname was "Ngo" as in "Touch n Go" the burglar evade skill. People scolded him until he got "the Naughty" title, and he took away his surname and was just "Touch the Naughty". Turbine changed his name on him.
>>338511816
That's why I stay away from any chats or interaction in the game.
Also
>That cringe crap people say in world chat
>That cringe roleplay
Although I'll give the game this: It has some of the best community events ever, such as the weatherstock, etc. Even though it's just edgelords gathering to play music, at least it resembles what an MMO should actually be.
>>338490386
MMOs are never going to be hard outside of the content that keeps the top 0.1% of poopsockers playing. If it was actually difficult all the way through it would alienate a lot of potential players, and MMOs kinda need a lot of casual shitters to stay alive.
>want to leave to a bigger server for more raiding opportunities and to have more people in general
>but at the same time my fc on my small server is so nice, but doesn't do any end-game content
>>338510571
I'm sorry but I'm not a c@tslut
>>338508876
>Your skin color
>Megane
>Hair
>Face
>Worst Horns
>>338509470
We're not lizards!
>>338503250
I haven't seen any Kikestarter or Early Access MMOs yet though.
>>338513930
man go back to /xivg/ please,i swear i hate playing au'ra sometimes because i always get associated with people like you
>>338513868
Can't have everything I'm afraid
Waiting for Legion beta invite. Probably won't get in, never do.
Looks bad anyhow.
>>338506059
FF14 is better than modern WoW, but that's not saying much. They have a lot of the same problems.
>>338513124
Outside of raids where it's all about team coordination and strategy, the only ways MMO devs try to make content "hard" is by making the enemies 1-2 shot everyone
GW2 has that pretty much as it's sole "difficulty" in all content outside of Raids. It's not so much of a challenge as it is a reflexes test. You either dodge every single attack, or you get instagibbed depending on your class (Ele and Thief in particular get instagibbed if they make a single mistake)
But the strategy for fighting pretty much every single boss is stack against a wall/corner, and dps as hard as you can, and dodge every attack animation and red circle that you see.. that's it. There's no real strategy or tactics or time where your group scratches their head and says "How are we supposed to beat this guy?"
You either burst it down with dps and dodge every attack and end up with everyone at 100% hp at the end of the fight, or those who missed a dodge are dead. No other outcomes.
>>338514138
I think I've seen one or two literally who MMO's attempting to get early access on Steam.
>>338514472
If you want in make a new account and play hearthstone for a couple hours, then apply for the beta.
>>338514498
FFXIV has pretty much turned into Warlords of Ishgard. None of the content they announce makes me want to come back. It's lame.
DOOM TRAIN WHEN?
>>338513124
That and latency/ping/lag problems meaning that they're never realistically get as action-y as a lot of people seem to want.
>>338499491
Literally the only thing the game has going for it is that it's cute. It's fucking shit beyond belief.
Just another in a long string of korean MMOs that start out promising, then the higher ups panic and turn it into a broken singleplayer themepark mess. They can't even get their fucking cash shop working.
>>338514623
Seriously? Is that how they are selecting people?
>>338494485
How to get the mostfunout of the game?
>>338472020
FF XIV has been my main bitch since 2.0's launch but the games stagnated in my opinion, and the magic is gone.
Been grinding like a super autist in Tree of Savior while I wait for a 4.0 announcement for FF XIV or legacy servers for WoW
ESO is awful
BDO is okay
I play The Old Republic
Ask me anything
>>338514831
from what i can tell yes. i know like 1 guy who's been playing since vanilla who got in
>>338514831
the way blizzard does beta invites is fucking retarded,i still think they only reason why they had a open beta for overwatch was because a shit ton of people were giving them hell for letting all the you tube and twitch people in for the long time
>>338515216
how often do you cry yourself to sleep?
>>338514138
ToS was early access. Chronicles of Elyria has a kikestarter or something similar.
>>338515478
>ToS was early access
No it wasn't. It was pay to play a month before F2P. Early access means buy to play while the game is being developed.
>>338515216
Can you dance outside designated dance zones?
Tree of Savior
holy shit, I am so sorry that I'm playing Tree of Savior.
You want to hear about a shitshow? Well get a load of this:
>Game is less than four months old
>Numerous imbalances and bugs
>None of them are addressed
>Each patch are minor fixes to classes based on the Korean version instead of the International version
>The two versions aren't symmetrical anyway
>No one in development knows or cares about that
>Only four CMs
>One CM was fired for talking too much to the community
>In return, the other three CMs went completely dark
>Tickets take HOURS to get answered
>People who answer it are clearly curries who don't speak english
>Basic functionality which was promised was never delivered
>Company already shifted development from this game onto another the minute that it launched in Korea
AND THE WORST PART IS
>I paid fifty dollars for this fucking shitheap.
I should have stayed in TERA with my big-titted elf. I'd be bored out of my mind, but at least I couldn't say that I felt screwed.
>>338515754
Yes, thats an old story that got sorted a long time ago
>>338515374
Only on fridays
>>338515760
>One CM was fired for talking too much to the community
what did he say exactly?
>>338515760
>he wasnt on when people started duping gold and ultra rare items
>>338516181
silver*
>>338515987
It was a she. And she shittalked her bosses constantly on the forums.
>>338516181
It was a few brazilians duping tokens
>>338476270
That's because you're a massive pleb faggot. I was too though at 14 when I played but I at least acknowledge my plebness when my commuted friends maxed out levels and played dungeons telling me "bro the real content opens at lvl 60."
Leveling up enough to enter the portal was magical enough. You're exactly the reason wow is so shit right now. If leveling is slow, just enjoy the scenery and the world. Now there is no enjoying shit because the world is empty now that everyone sits at the two capitals in que waiting to play with people they'll never meet again.
Vanilla had its issues but Blizz fixed all of the wrong things and ruined the game.
>>338476238
I agree with you, the art is shit, especially compared to old blizzard like WC2 and Diablo 2 which wasn't cartoony AT ALL.
I just ignore the style and play characters I think don't have terrible aesthetic (like undead priest), for the gameplay
>>338515987
*She
Also it was along the lines of
>Guys, I'm sorry, I have no clue what the Development team is doing either. I will get to the bottom of it. I promise.
And
>I can't do anything, I'm just a CM. Please, calm down.
Basically she threw the development team under the bus on a couple of occasions, but she did that because she was the only one talking to the community.
End result was the CMs disappearing because they didn't want to be next.
Buy Wolf Force Online or whatever the fuck it's called. Developed by IMC, probably going to be abandoned just like they abandoned ToS.
Pic related. Not mine but still.
>>338516181
When was this? I quit playing like a month ago.
>>338516343
>And she shittalked her bosses constantly on the forums.
what the fuck
>>338516181
And you were? You didn't even start playing during P2P
Unless that's changed during F2P, but to tell you the truth: I don't know why anyone would want to even play this game for free.
>>338472020
None because Im not stupid
>>338516565
Not him, but that's overstating it.
Her responses were more along the lines that she had no clue what her company was doing or how she could change anything. She also made a post about how she felt anxious about her job because of how little feedback she was getting.
>>338516729
You're not stupid yet you failed to read the title correctly.
>>338516774
Both of which are unprofessional to talk about when you're a CM.
>>338516426
>Wolf Force Online
That's an MMO I could get behind.
>>338505309
Full fleet engagements are great. But no one likes to drop trillions of isk.
Hotdropping is horrid. Bunch of hyperactive faggots acting like they were the first people to ever right click a bloops in a t3 and blow the hell out of a pointed/webbed/scram'd pve fit battleship
Roaming is horrid, basically just flying around with the same hyperactive faggots bitching about their blueballs, praying for some defenseless indie.
Gatecamping was nice though. Whats especially fun is throwing out about 100 drones 15km away from the gate and catching cloaky industrials who think they're invulnerable. Its also fun talking to the GMs every few hours as they're called in to clear the drone swarm by people bitching about exploits.
>>338516951
But the sad fact of the matter is: It was the truth. It wasn't an exaggeration.
So yes, her crime is that she told the truth about the dev team. That they have no intention of ever fixing the game and that their narrow focus is only on Korea with some afterthought of the international version.
Yes it's unprofessional, and no I don't think firing her was wrong; but to me, the player, she was a hero for saying it.
>>338472020
The only MMO I ever loved was Guild Wars, but FFXIV is best special needs class.
Fuck GW2.
>>338516951
>>338517182
>honesty is unprofessional
horray for corporatism
I've got an itch to play some more FFXI this month, but I also have enough spare money to finally transfer servers in FFXIV to my friends' server and play for a month, but that game makes me sad because the dev team just keeps doing all of the wrong things for their recent updates.
>>338517218
>guild wars
>MMO
if guild wars is a MMO so is diablo
I want to get back into TERA guys, I quit playing before the Reaper update hit.
Convince me that it's just as boring now as it was when I stopped playing.
How did Blade and Soul turn out? I quit before open launched.
>>338517526
I'm trying to play XI again but I cannot remember my PlayOnline password.
Does anybody want to play an MMO together sometimes? I want to be somebody's healer! My steam ID is the same as the name shown in this screenshot (healfriend).
>>338518268
I fucking would, but what could possibly come out to make me change my mind at this point?
I used to love jumping from new MMO to new MMO when their open betas launched. But I used to do it with /v/ when we still cared about that shit.
>>338517983
I went back into TERA recently and it's still as fun as it used to be.
The new classes are refreshing and the fights always dynamic and action packed (BAMs etc).
The reason I left in the first place was because all my friends left and the playerbase in general was gone.
No one has came back unfortunately it feels dead still.
But since you're asking about being boring and you post as an Elin I think you can have a lot of fun if you come back now; the end-game gearing is still a grindfest tho, spoiler.
>>338517218
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKJSC_mteIg
>>338518268
>level 2
Kek
Ask me after 200 hours of gameplay once you're level 230
>>338493524
Nah it was pretty good up until the end of Cata
>>338518436
I think /v/ still cares but there just haven't been many MMOs going open beta right now. At least MMOs that look promising enough to grab our attention.
>>338518591
I have a surprise for you, anon. After lots of hard work I'm finally levelTWENTY SIX!!But I'll do my best to catch up to you!
>tfw cant play mmos anymore because shit internet
>used to love that shit as a kid
>all i do is singleplayer and the occassional multiplayer pvp game
>>338519041
all mmo's are singleplayer nowadays - every other person could be substituted with an AI and you'd have the exact same experience.
>>338519026
>/v/ still cares
Nope, TORtanic killed /v/. Everything bad about /v/ today can be traced back to TORtanic.
>>338514718
It's a shame because I miss it a lot. I love the world and the soundtrack but I don't want to pay £8 to just wander around and enjoy the scenery and music
>>338519026
Please next time, please if you find a new MMO going into open beta
Please make a thread
Make several
Because I used to love that shit.
I suppose Planetside 2 counts as an MMO.
If not, nothing right now. MMORPG is a dead genre, with only korean graphics waifu fests being released.
>>338517481
Damn right.
They wouldn't want employees spreading the ugly truth to the stupid little goyims.
>>338519339
>2.0 comes out
>no one plays it because 1.0 sucked and WoW clones in general tend to suck
>every thread someone tries to start about it on /v/ is shit posted in by TORtanic kiddies until it 404s
>the few people who are actually playing the game realize it's really good
>community is good because it's players want to see the game live and grow
>Tfw making groups for and running through pre-nerf AK, WP, Chimera, Hydra, Hard Mode Primals
>Tfw going through coil for the first time
>Tfw beating Twintania before her 2.2 nerf
>Tfw 2.1 came out and you go through Ex Primals with your FC
>Tfw the game slowly grew in popularity but all the WoW refugees came over after WoD as a result and the community turned to shit
>Tfw 3.0 came out and the game died
I miss early 2.0
>quit the game when 70,000g was a fucking shit ton of gold
how much gold is it nowadays? I could buy everything on the Auction House at that point I was playing
>>338483157
>not using the power leveling exploits that come with every patch because Carbine can't program worth a fuck
Just wait for a drop and watch the forums for easy levels at a quarter of the time and effort
>>338520146
borderline pocket change.
the economy is fucked right now and its going to get even worse come WoD.
>>338494485
Just ignore this game. It's not worth it
>>338472020
I dont play any mmo atm, but i will come back to wow for a bit when legion hits.. but will probely stop after 1 month
>>338519924
>This revisionist bullshit
Everyone and their mother hopped on 2.0 because the changes from the few betas they did did a lot to restore people's confidence.
>>338519385
This. One of my best gaming experiences was playing haven and hearth with /v/ some years ago.
>>338520693
Bullshit, people bitched incessantly about the betas.
Planetside 2
Maplestory
FFXIV
OSRS
>>338489167
The closest you'll get to a Dark Souls MMO is Tera
>>338504034
It flopped in the sense that it wasn't the Promised One mmo that people hoped it would be. It's still very much alive, of course.
>>338514139
The feeling is mutual.
>>338515760
>I paid fifty dollars for this fucking shitheap.
It's okay anon, everyone has made shitty purchases at some point
I spent $100 on "Mighty Quest for Epic Loot" and it's practically stuck in maintenance mode for the past 1.5 years
I spent $165 on GW2 CE and I dropped it after a day since it wasn't like GW1 at all
sad times
>>338522224
>Mighty Quest for Epic Loot
What happened with that game?
seemed neat but I never bothered with it
>>338522712
was really fun for like 2weeks, attacking other's castle and building your own defenses and stuff, looking at attackers failing to progress..
great ideas, bad "something", no idea what killed the game but I stopped pretty quickly.
>>338522961
I stopped because of it being in beta and them resetting progress or something.. beyond the fact that there was no real progression after a certain amount of castle existed.
..Super fun watching fails through your maze.
>>338522712
I spent $100 on it because I loved the idea and was convinced that they were actually going make it a huge game
Unfortunately, there are MANY flaws that ruin this otherwise amazing game/idea.
The first and most important flaw is that it is really fucking difficult to acquire creatures, traps, and obstacles for your castle. It is pay2win because everyone just goes to the Steam market and purchases the most overpowered creature combinations and the most overpowered castle room combinations, making their castle impossible to penetrate.
Basically, even though I have my own castle, I feel like the 'defend' part of the game isn't there for me unless I spend a shitton of money to get the necessary creatures.
Classes are horribly unbalanced, they gave up on advancing class skill trees.
The community also isn't big enough, your castle won't be attacked often at all
You can go to the steam forums yourself and find a bunch of angry threads about the game, it unfortunately sucks BUT it is fun for the first couple of hours if it's your first time, just dont expect much from it
>>338524132
Actually, I'm pretty sure it was because they started charging for the game after the beta.
The class gameplay also wasn't deep at all. It's still no combo game, like most "action" games.
>>338520248
I probably would've done that and thus had an MMO to play besides playing WoW for its PvP.
>>338504034
It's a game for autistic neets. You can't compete if you're even vaguely normie (read: anyone reading this).
>>338514791
There aren't real latency problems with MMOs. WoW is as tight as ever, and we have great upload and DL now.
The worst thing about au'ra is they bring dishonour to my dragongirl fetish by being so fucking ugly.
I'm enjoying BDO, sure the localization is kind of a fuck up but that would be due to rushing out content and patches in order to get a 6 month window behind the korean version so it'll right itself eventually. The actual meat of the game (territorial control and sieges along with the valencia content such as whale hunting and dungeons) is finally being released in June as well. Anybody who bitches about the grind forgets when getting to 60 in vanilla WoW took months. Getting 1-55 can be literally done in a week if you play a decent amount, the levels past that are pretty shitty to grind but not necessary. Oh and the cash shop has nothing blatantly p2w like the jewtubers would have you believe, ghillie suit is the closest to that but they're niggers that usually get pked by other players for wearing them anyways. Elion's tears lock you down for about 5 seconds and give you 20% of your health when you're revived, you'd get instantly slaughtered if you tried to use it in pvp or even a world boss. Otherwise nothing that gives you a clear advantage against other players is in the cash shop unlike the korean version which lets you buy your way to upgrading gear much like what trion did to fucking archeage.
>>338472020
Hey, can you not post my waifu? Thanks.
>>338472303
If the moe blob paladin out yet?
>blade and soul came out and was apparently shit
>black desert came out and the same
..
>>338526990
Is it fun though?
>>338476432
and thus why the game barely chugs along. IF they actually made costumes for the other races and didn't race/sex lock the new classes they'd probably have more people playing.
Pandering to pedo's only goes so far.
>>338528295
>BDO
>shit
Good one m80. It's not blow your socks off amazing but it's a very solid MMO
>>338476830
>waaah i hate wow
I'm going to laugh when legion subs numbers get posted. The tears will be glorious.
>>338472020
>He isn't playing on Kronos 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yWEqqbhmfQ
>>338528910
Of course there's going to be a resurgence of people resubbing just to see the new content, but it's going to go down again dramatically in a month or two just like it has each expansion pack prior.
>>338528910
I wonder was possesses someone to white knight for neo-Blizz and neo-WoW on the internet. You must be underaged and not know any better or you're getting paid.
I'm in the beta, Legion will flop. Screencap this post.
>>338529165
Why waste time investing in a private server that will just get shut down when official legacy servers will be out within a year?
>>338528582
The combat shits all over tera and blade & soul if that's what you mean.
https://youtu.be/yFXCAjZlaa4 just a random example
XIV patch 3.3 when?
>>338486809
>Press button to iframe dodge
yep, skill.
>>338475893
its literally going to be f2p this summer on steam, i won't bother starting to play the already dead game
>>338529607
It's been f2p for a while now. Either it's still awful, and has barely changed since launch.
>>338475893
>wildstar
>>338529472
june 7th, they had a live letter literally this morning.
>>338507456
>HAving a lot of fun on ToS
>Reaching level 80
>Second ring Hoplite class quest
>Have to upgrade a spear to +6
>It costs thousand and thousand of silver that I obviously don't have since you have to spend them for literally everything
Locking a class behind gold farming? Lol, shit game.
>>338508035
Most of the crap you listed is why it's been left in the dust. Once mmorpgs came out that played like a game instead of a job, players moved onto something better.
XI had it's charms but required too much of an investment for such little rewards.
waiting patiently for the relaunch of fantasy earth zero.
Dragon Saga
>>338529569
I frame dodge is skill. There is a reason why any good combat system has it.
I got massive urges to resub to WoW but no, fuck that.
Should I start FFXIV?
FFXIV.
It's the best MMO and it always pains me to see how plebeian /v/ is with how often they try to shit on it and say it's bad.
Most of the time these people barely played it and/or based their entire experience off of the free trial as if that's at all indicative of the entire game.
>>338530230
They have a free trial, which I would suggest starting after june 7th since they're upping the length of the free trial.
>>338530230
If you don't want to play retail WoW because it feels easy, singleplayer, and is full of brainless matchmaking dungeons that feel like you're playing with bots, no.
>>338529413
>american cease and desist letter sent to russian isp
Thats why.
>>338475893
I have to agree with this anon >>338483157. The leveling is fucking horrible and there no dungeon running either.
>>338529165
Did they make the trailer themselves? That's bretty fugging gud.
>>338530089
Sweet. Might jump back in soon to catch up for the new patch.
>>338530230
Try the trial, you can go up to level 20 on every class on one character, so you get a general idea of how the game plays.
Don't let the GCD scare you, every class' rotation nullifies it by the time you get to higher levels.
>>338519924
The only people saying the game is shit ARE the WoW refugees.
FFXIV is great. It's still great. Heavensward is no worse than A Realm Reborn was. It's literally following the exact same pattern of content release that A Realm Reborn did and is releasing just as much content as A Realm Reborn did.
The people who say it's shit and isn't getting as much content really don't have even the slightest clue as to what they're talking about and quite obviously were not around during A Realm Reborn.
>>338530230
FFXIV is literally Japanese WoW except even more simplified than WoW. If you want to try a new game and have friends playing it, sure, but if you actually want a good MMORPG, I wouldn't recommend it.
>>338530230
ffxiv is boring as shit yo.
got to level 46 and tried multiple classes. its basically a visually pleasing mmo with the basic wow features the quests have you running back and forth teleporting to the same towns over and over again.
The combat is slow, you are grouped with console players and its not enjoyable it feels souless just like GW2 ive played other shitty mmos and FFXIV only gave me some moments of happiness.
sub par mmo dont waste your time WoW on its worst patch is always better than ff14
>>338530483
Only WoWfags are autistic enough to go through entire dungeons without talking to anyone.
I play FFXIV and people both in dungeons and in the world talk to each other all the time. It's very social compared to my experience over the years in WoW. In terms of social interaction it's much more reminiscent of my times in FFXI, the only difference being that you can't really talk while in combat on FFXIV unless you're using voice chat because of how much faster it is than FFXI.
>>338508876
Why does that look like a normal human with paper mache glued to her head?
>>338530703
It's funny because I say it's shit due to it not being as good as FFXI and it aping too much from WoW. Most of my friends whose main game was WoW love FFXIV and don't think anything is wrong with it.
>>338530998
miqtoe are humans with fur and a tail, au ra are humans with a skin condition.
>>338530657
Ya man they are making more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7ENOZIfg7g
So, are we and MMOs fucked? Will I ever enjoy again a good MMO?
>>338529413
how many servers do you think were shut down by blizzard? like 2? there were tons of tbc private servers during official tbc, and the same is happening with wod privs, blizzard doesnt care, and they will not do anything to vanila privs until these have more online then their official realm
>>338530780
>except even more simplified than WoW.
No. This is what WoWfags want you to believe, and when confronted on it all they will spout is "2.5 second global cooldown" without really knowing anything else about how the combat works, and without knowing that the global cooldown is reduced as you get higher in level and item level.
>>338531047
It's essentially on the same level as FFXI, just in different regards. I played both FFXI and WoW too. FFXI had its share of flaws too. I don't know why other FFXIfags are in such denial of that.
>>338531218
Only if you're an autist who refuses to talk to people and refuses to try to make friends in the game.
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