Why does Fallout have such terrible villains? Every last fucking one of them are unapologetically evil for no good reasons.
>>338444872
Why do you think a villain has to be morally grey to be good?
The Master and all of the New Vegas villains were nowhere near "evil for no reason".
Each had beliefs, however flawed, justifying their actions.
Horrigan is a literal autist mutant cyborg don't expect him to be anything but that.
>>338445280
Hell the Master when given proof that his plan will fail, decides to destroy his work.
>>338444872
And the Enclave has an ideology that can be admired they just have extreme methods.
>>338444872
>I didn't play Fallout 1
>>338445561
their methods are the ideology
>>338445280
Horrigan did nothing wrong.
>>338445280
They kinda dropped the ball with Legion in NV, I guess that it was supposed to be harsh but efficient and secure society but now it was more like "lulz rape and raze". They really should have had more time to actually have the other side of the river playable.
The Master went insane after becoming a string-cheese fleshy mass of fused minds (not all human). If you could argue to him that his Man of the Future were bred to inherit the Wasteland were fundamentally flawed due to their sterility he would finally go off the deep end and just blow it all up because he himself is a dead-end freak monster.
The Enclave was the remnant of the powerhungry psychopathic Washington political caste. Is it really any wonder they were evil? Frank Horrigan was just their attack dog--he was an autismo freak they further mutated and then grafted into a special suit of power armor to be their brutal, dumb, unthinking enforcer.
I didn't play Fallout 3 since bethesda are shit so I dunno what that was about, but in the real Fallout 3 you just had clashing ideologies. The NCR were the same powerhungry sacks of shit of the Old World--if you really think bringing that back is best--while the Legion was a regime led by a mad genius who wanted to smash all the disparate elements of the Wasteland into a new culture. House was an amoral psychopath technocrat who didn't give a fuck about humans but he did give a fuck about having a nice ordered society to keep the little cogs working towards fulfilling his ambitions. The Courier was the one who would decide how the House regime would treat the NPCs.
>>338444872
> Implying the Enclave was evil
I'll have you know that the Enclave were actually the good guys.
>>338446643
>in the real Fallout
Don't be such an obsidiot
>>338446868
t.odd Howard
>>338446868
I have to agree with him.
Bethesda fucked up the lore so bad with Fallout 3 that it's not even funny. I'm not even saying it's a bad game, it's just that honestly it would have been way better off being a completely different apocalyptic RPG and Bethesda could have had a lot more creative freedom and a lot less room to fuck up..
>>338446643
Oh please, New Vegas is just as shit as 3
People like to talk about how great FO2 is but it is honestly so shit, if it was released in 2010 no one would like it.
>>338446643
>I didn't play Fallout 3 since bethesda are shit so I dunno what that was about
It's not that bad. It's still really fun to wander the wasteland and explore shit while blasting mutants and raiders with laser guns.
>>338444872
>who is the NCR
>who is House
>who isFo4 Brotherhood
The rest are indeed moustache-twirlingly evil.
>>338446643
Horrigan had 10 in every stat
>>338447231
autists are known to be smart and funny to laugh at
>>338447151
You can do that in NV too so 3 is obsolete
>>338446643
> Dumb, unthinking
Nigger, he had a 10 in intelligence. How the fuck is he dumb or unthinking?
Not everyone who gets infected with the FEV turns into a mind boggling moron. Just take at Lou. Lou was a fucking genius.
>>338447112
Yeah, but seriously, this "the REAL fallout" meme is incredibly grating
>>338446345
>>338446643
Hello Avellone, what are your thoughts on 4?
>>338447365
you can get TTW and just play FO3 in NV anyway
>>338446643
>the real fallout 3
he gon dun did it
>Frank Horrigan
>evil
fuck off mutie apologizer
>>338447515
Does TTW fix the writing and lore? :^)
>>338447579
Hey Frank! How's life without legs or a head?
>>338447502
>this nigh genius with clear direction within his work once wrote for the Fallout series
>now we have depressingly low-tier scum "writing" for the games
>>338445073
Both hero and villain should have moral complexities unless it's a myth, fable, or children's story.
>You can join some shit faction like the Railroad
>You can never join the Enclave
Why does it hurt so bad?
>>338448232
He's also an SJW
>>338449106
the enclave doesn't exist after 3
>>338449359
Who cares?
>>338449451
I'm aware, but they do exist in other games but you could never join them. Meanwhile here's some shit faction that's about freeing toasters that's joinable, and it hurts knowing that such a terrible "faction" can be joined but an actual cool, interesting faction can't. Though given the Enclave's policies, an outsider probably couldn't join them.
oooh goodie a fallout thread,
just bought fallout 2 the other day, im still in the temple of trials
is this build good? aiming for a sniper character
ST 5
PE 9
EN 5
CH 4
IN 9
AG 9
LK 6
>>338444872
>Why does Fallout 3 and 4 have such terrible villains.
FTFY
>>338449712
Yeah that'll do. But an ST of 5 will make the temple hell for you.
>>338449556
Exactly. As long as he keeps handling his games as well as New Vegas it shouldn't even matter
>>338449786
Seriously, how hard is it to give your villain a goddamn motivation? What was Colonel Autumn's goal? Why did he want Project Purity? Why are the Institute replacing people with robots, and actively murdering the people of the Commonwealth and sabotaging their attempts to progress?
>>338449451
why not?
>>338449085
Why? There are people who are morally black and morally white in the real world.
>>338450210
>There are people who are morally black and morally white in the real world.
Yeah, and they last about as long as snowballs in hell.
>>338447502
>a lot of minor Legion characters came across as far more overtly misogynistic than I had intended them to
did they just trowel in the 'lulz raep and enslave women more like hobagz amirite why aren't you on your knees right now slut' to make up for lack of content, then? Because this seemed pretty fucking deliberate.
>>338450210
In the real world, evil people tend to think what they're doing is right, or at least have deluded themselves into thinking it's acceptable or justifiable.
>>338450103
Autumn just wanted to be in central control of the Capital Wasteland once it had the resources to actually start rising again and build everything under the Enclave banner, and the fresh water was the key component in that. Not exactly best writing ever, but somewhat understandable.
The thing that irked me most was the fact that he decided to go in all guns blazing: if they had actually approached the scientists running Purity peacefully and offered cooperation, would they have had any reason to refuse? It's not like BoS was involved before Enclave themselves shitted the bed.
>>338450429
>>>/tumblr/
>>338450429
These are frontline soldiers, they're likely told this as a way to reinforce their will to conquer. Take land, take women for Caesar and you will have both. Supposedly the cities not on the frontline, but in Legion territory weren't so misogynistic and incredibly stable and safe.
>>338446643
I actually don't think the actual villains were that stupid evil in 3, Colonel Autumn just kept trying to start up the purifier so he could have a leverage on the Capital Wasteland people and the father who just wanted to turn that thing on and let other people have made some not very smart decisions, even though he wasn't a fan of the Brotherhood, the President Adam was jsut a AI with glitches up its ass from all the time it was left on its own devices and even the Colonel was just following him for the moment to have access to the facilities becuase when he learned of the plan to kill anyone not a pure human he pointed out how fucking retarded that was sicne there were no pure humans anymore it woud just kill literally everybody, so by accident they managed to not make cartoonish villains
>>338447397
The truth is usually painful
>>338450203
Years of failing catastrophically and have their bases either self destructed or nuke from orbit kind of ends with your army
>>338450748
>play a female courier
>Legion faggot tells me girls are gross and good for nothing and that he's enslaved and raped his way across the wasteland literally like it's no thing
>expects to not get killed in the face
/pol/ plz.
>>338450203
Because the Obsidiots would throw a shitfit
>>338450971
They still could have something left in north, but I agree that they aren't a major player anymore in any way.
>>338450680
And he decided to show up, not in the eighteen years the purifier had been empty, but the moment people showed back up, and hadn't even gotten the thing working yet?
It would have been better if James came out of the Vault to find the Enclave had already taken the purifier, and you had to uncover some nefarious purpose they were using it for.
>>338450991
>expects to not get killed in the face
If you were the average woman it's a fair assumption on his part with most women cowering in fear or running from legion.
>>338450429
I imagine it would have been more about the role of women in the legion and the reasons behind it, that would give some depth to the misogyny. It's pretty much justified when you consider that forcing women to breed is basically essential for the continued survival of the legion war machine, all the other shit is just a way of justifying that.
>>338450680
The Brotherhood actually was helping James and the others build the purifier back before The Lone Wanderer was born but they stopped supporting it once they realized it wasn't gonna work.
>>338449967
Allright just finished temple
thanks anon
>>338450957
Your truth isn't backed up by scientific facts and undeniable evidence. Therefore it's an opinion and not objective
>>338451127
Even if they had for a time it didn't last, even with the Lyons rogue chapter the Brotherhood never suffered a big loos like the Enclave and I very much doubt they would allow the Enclave to walk freely if they knew they were at a place
>>338451313
but you being a faggot is
>>338451154
DIdn't Autumn and his Enclave chapter arrive at the Captal rather recently? Didn't they all come in that base crawler to look for Eden and see if he still worked? So the whole purifier was just a dumb coincidence?
>>338444872
I don't think any normal person can quite grasp exactly why these evil people are the way they are.
Consider this: they made a realization some time in their past, have come to terms with it, and got fed up with justifying it to everyone they met. Their beliefs seem evil to you, so you react a certain way when you encounter them, and by that reaction they know you think they're evil, so they embrace it and act fucking evil - even calling themselves the badguy to humor you.
Maybe they're not good or bad, and in the end, you just murder some guy to make your own point that someone else thinks is evil as fuck.
>>338449679
>Though given the Enclave's policies, an outsider probably couldn't join them.
I wouldn't want Emil to be the one to write it, but after decades of getting their asses kicked up and down the country, a more moderate enclave faction or at least branch would be an interesting development. Showing that they learned from each of their greatest downfalls.
>ok, it looks like if we start to put the boot to people, guys in blue jumpsuits tend to fuck out shit up, so maybe we should, you know, be nicer?
From there you have a more combative old guard amidst moderates and advocates for a kinder face that matches their propoganda.
Could be a neat premise for a game in chicago.
>>338451319
There's Enclave in Chicago
>>338444872
Master isn't evil, he's just really dumb. Vegas has you chose your own villains.
>>338451394
Good on you, falling back to stupid shit flinging when your meme isn't accepted, don't you have a fallout general to be at?
>>338447143
I can't tell you how proud it makes me that none of you responded to this.
>>338451524
where's that comic of hitler speaking calmly about wanting to genocide der juden and an angry strawman yelling about how he's bad for it. this reminds me of that.
>>338451616
but if it's a meme then its already been accepted thanks to how memes work
>>338451692
This one?
>>338451208
which would be possibly justifiable if the Courier wasn't an infamous single-body murder machine killing their way across the wasteland on a revenge mission.
How fucking stupid do you have to be to go up to the most dangerous woman in the state and go on about how little you think of women and how stupid and weak she is?
>>338451394
Gaming is art and art is subjective, there's nothing objective about thoughts about it. You can't say X is objectively Y because by very nature it's subjective to the one who experiences it.
>>338451586
I wouldn't really call any of them villains. They just become antagonists depending on your choices.
>>338451756
Also, the Courier was personally summoned by Caesar, so they should at least respect that.
>>338451532
Would be funny to see Enclave being the more rational faction when conpared to BoS. I mean, the western BoS are more or less just technology-hoarding jerks and eastern chapter has quickly became fanatical purifiers, so it wouldn't be that hard to be more sympathetic than them.
>>338451774
And that's why the abortion Bethesda produced isn't the real Fallout 3
>>338451756
It's laughably common and has come to be accepted that no matter how many people you've slayed, there'll always be people who don't believe it that still think it's a good idea to shit talk you.
Dishonored had some very nice dialogue about that showing that despite how deadly skilled you are, many people will still think it's mostly exaggeration having not seen you in action and that "oh, it's just one guy, i can take him". Are they dumb for it? Well, with all the tall tales I'm sure are spun in saloons and across the wasteland, I'd be doubtful that any one person is as skilled as he said she said.
Frank Horrigan is a dumb super soldier who exists because videogames need to have boss fights at the end, right?
The real villain is Dick Richardson but killing a middle aged bureaucrat isn't as cool.
>>338452072
Except that's your opinion, your interpretation. that's not fact. People have the intellectual freedom to disagree and art is a form of interpretation to express that.
>>338451753
exactly. thanks.
>>338452238
But this is art, facts can be interpreted how someone wishes
>>338451774
>You can't say X is objectively Y because by very nature it's subjective to the one who experiences it.
Bullshit. Even if art is ultimately experienced through a person's own perspective there are still objective attributes that can be quantified. For example, in pic related you can see how the different approaches to choices in each of the fallout games give you varying levels of control over the game world. You can say "I think Fallout 4 give the player more agency", but that's demonstrably false when you look at the ways the player is allowed to act and the ways the world will react to them.
>>338444872
FO3? The Enclave thinking everything belongs to them because they think they're the true American government wasn't a bad motivation.
>>338451692
>>338451753
Think about it.
Hitler had the majority of Germany aligned with him throughout the entire ordeal, and if he had won, that would have been best for his people and culture.
He wasn't a villain until after he was defeated, and though his ambitions would have seen the world change, who is to say it would have been for the worst?
And just look at Germany now, the aftermath of such massive cultural demoralization and loss as it was forced to abandon all ties to the man, however slight.
Is every villain so plainly and objectively evil, or do you just imagine them that way because they're opposed to your ideals?
Who really is evil, anon?
>>338452109
but as >>338451971 pointed out, the Courier was explicitly summoned by Caesar personally, who also put out an order for them to stop fucking with her.
speaking of which there's also the fact that it's possible to play the game up to that point having killed literally hundreds of Legionnaires. You'd think the Courier would begin to gain infamy as this woman who chews up Legion assassination squads without breaking a sweat.
>>338447370
Fallout Bible says otherwise. Don't assume hidden stats mean anything lore wise. Do you also assume your followers, including a nerd and a walking corpse, in New Vegas are 10 times as durable as the average Legion or NCR soldier for reasons that are never explained? That Caesar only has an intelligence and charisma of 4?
>>338452382
>That survival
I like that skill check dialogue changes depending on your skill level, regardless of success or failure.
>>338452029
>implying BoS is wrong in FO4
Kill the synths
>>338452476
>Is every villain so plainly and objectively evil, or do you just imagine them that way because they're opposed to your ideals?
No people aren't one-dimensional caricatures, but the fact remains that he was a genocidal warmonger.
>>338452539
>characters in an RPG are portrayed independently from their stats
That's pretty shitty when you think about it
>>338452476
>Hitler had the majority of Germany aligned with him throughout the entire ordeal
Except he didn't. He had to merge with another political party, kill his own supporters that were getting too popular and steal the parliament seats of the communists to actually become Fuhrer.
>>338452704
So was Mussolini, and yet the US allied with him.
>>338452812
Italy was part of the Axis, what are you talking about?
>>338451872
That's exactly what >>338451586 said. Through the choices you make as the MC, you get to decide who is righteous and who is in the way (read villainous) for that play through.
>>338452476
I get that what he did was initially in the benefit of the German people and from that perspective, he may deserve some reverence, but his decisions also descended "his" people and country into a bloody war, so even people who respect that he gave germany her pride back must see he set Germany up to lose it's son's and daughters. Yes, he's more complicated then hurr most evil man in da world, but by many accepted standards of "not the koolest dude", he was kind of a dick, as many revered men in history are.
>>338452785
reichstag was an inside job
>>338452812
>and yet the US allied with him.
we worked with the mafia to topple him
>>338449085
Sure, 'heroes' need some complexity for people to actually relate to them; but villains, on the other hand are best when they're dickbags for the sheer fun of it or other extremely simple reasons.
>>338450429
What he says sounds more dogmatic than malicious
>>338452382
Seriously, in Four you were forced to make decision and it was shit.
99% of the encounters had no diplomatic endings and just ended in killing someone or something.
>>338447502
>That false ending
Why the fuck would they not put that in? Would have been just a few minutes of recording time for extra lines and thats it. No extra effort for something that would have made a fun addition.
I will never not be mad that NV didnt get a reasonable dev time
>>338453421
>After all your posturing, all your little speeches, you're nothing but a common thief.
Agreed. Complexity does not make a villain great.
>>338452497
boat guy recognizes and respects that but doesn't understand why it's a woman or any male profligate.
>speaking of which
Part of the suspension of disbelief is recognizing that in RPGs, all of your actions won't be accounted for. Better games endeavor to cover many player action, but still, you'll probably always run into situations where your power armored demigod of murder is getting charged down by an addict looking to score jet money.
>>338452704
the us government has done 1000x worse things since the war has ended
>>338452637
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
>i never played Fallout 1: the thread
>>338452539
The Fallout bible says he's dumb? Really?
That's fucking interesting considering he spoke English fairly well and even understood how the FEV toxins and all that shit worked. I mean I knew he had mental problems but I didn't know he was retarded. Sauce?
>>338454052
it says he's insane. The Master is insane.
Learn to fucking read.
>>338453939
we have a better PR team and foreign aid contributions both public and private
Fallout 4 is essentially Borderlands.
Magical guns that fire two shots at once, despite only having one barrel. Magical guns with don't use ammo. Magical guns which set ammo on fire.
They also were pissed off everybody liked New Vegas much so, so instead of the Black and White shit they had in Fallout 3. They went with 'shades of grey'.
So in Fallout 4: Institute is.. badish, but hey means to an end! Hope for mankind! Also robot slaves. Also probably based off Apple inc.
Then you have the new Brotherhood of Steel. Essentially 40k's Imperium/Space Marines + Nazi Germany that HAET technology that's too advanced.
Then you have the Minute Men, which are okay. They just want to restore order and safety to the wasteland = no power at all, fucking useless.
Then you have the Railroad, which is tumblr for Robots.
Then there was barely any endings.
The DLC were all done by modders earlier and better. Buildable robots was available a month before DLC (funny, XCOM2 had the same problem, they got Alien XCOM members before the official DLC allowed to make them in game) and the 2nd DLC was just for autism simulation in the house.
They then moaned on about how the new DLC had "bigger area than Silver Isles! Omg how gud!" and guess what? It was FUCKING EMPTY. IT WAS ALSO 60% WATER.
The entire game is a fucking joke. Made by fucking suits "oh Borderlands is good, let's make that happen in game" and then "Oh NV is better, let's copy that!".
You're all fools for buying this shit. That's why the game is shit. Why the villains suck.
>>338450584
Not true, you think every dictator has been like that? My country once was controlled by a social circle that fucked the people literally because they could before our revolution. Not all bad people justify their actions, many embrace they are cunts and don't care since there is no one to stop them.
I understand being tired of the same type of character filling the same roll every time, but people believing those are caricatures and don't exist in the real world only tells you how distanced people/the first world are from this kind of things.
Yes people are complex, but also can be very simple. Give someone absolute power and tell them the rest are just there for them to be above and you will get with a IRL version of a Disney villain.
Frank Horrigan is actually great as a character but they didn't really do much with him or his battle. The guy is a walking contradiction. He hates mutants, but he is one. Everyone in the Enclave hates him for what he is, but is too afraid to do anything about it. The Enclave are a bunch of hypocrites who have no problem creating cyborg mutants and other monstrosities to fight for them and eliminate anything they deem "impure".
>>338454328
they didn't hate it because it was too advanced, they hated it because it threatened to subvert their designs for humanity
>>338453421
>childrens stories
>>338454052
Frank Horrigan is dumb, not The Master.
The Master was a really smart guy, considering he was a scientist before the FEV.
But Frank Horrigan is just a super-soldier for the Enclave, he needs muscle, not brains.
>>338454052
It's more that he's too stupid to realize that he has become the thing he hates.
>>338454458
No you misunderstand, they hated technology which was potentially too advanced. As in, they used technology that they couldn't do without and decided the other shit would fuck stuff up.
>>338454423
>My country once was controlled by a social circle that fucked the people literally because they could before our revolution.
BR friend?
>>338454423
>>338450584
sawyer covers this exactly
>>338454328
>Oh NV is better, let's copy that
But they did the opposite. Just about every improvement NV made on Fallout 3 was discarded.
>>338454595
Close, I guess all Latin America went through this.
>>338454595
i'm betting dominican republic
>>338454556
>BoS in Fallout 1 and 2 are pseudo-monks trying to control technology to prevent another Great War
>BoS in Fallout 4 are literally Fallout Nazis
Fucking Bethesda
>>338454668
And then they took all the game's new features from popular New Vegas mods.
>>338454682
Yep, Latin America is full of dictatorships, especially during the Cold War.
You have both the USA and the URSS for implementing them.
>>338454747
They must have listened to the fans who kept saying the BoS were too nice in FO3 and are supposed to be evil like they were in 1 and 2. Even though they weren't evil at all.
>>338454747
Except they also hate anyone not part of them and send the Vault Dweller to die a horrible death because he annoys a single guy.
>>338454771
To be fair, NV got a lot of it's new features from Fallout 3 mods.
In fact, I noticed the same bugs for a lot of those features existing in both the Fallout 3 mods and NV so either there's some sort of bizarre engine issue at fault and Obsidian could not be bothered fixing it or they just took the Fallout 3 mods and couldn't be bothered fixing them.
In either case Obsidian could not be bothered fixing a bug and there's nothing surprising about that.
>>338455002
They were just tired of the wannabees who kept coming to them so they sent them on an impossible quest. They weren't evil so much as they only care about themselves and only help out when something threatens them and the bureaucracy can be convinced to do something about it.
>>338455207
>impossible quest
they were expecting you to die
>>338453992
tl;dr This settlement is under attack let me mark it on your map
>>338454747
Fallout 3 BoS are just extremists. They skip the 'controlling technology' bit and go to destroying it.
It's good that every BoS chapter isn't the same.
>>338455002
I'm guessing you just read the wiki?
They send people to the Glow because they need shit from there but can't send any of their own man because a lot of their people already died there, so it's easier to send a random wasteland junkie.
Also, once you get there and accomplish their mission, they treat you with nothing but respect and actually helps you in your mission against the mutants.
>>338450429
But that statement is true...
>>338455264
Either die or give up
>>338455314
>Fallout 3 BoS are just extremists.
I meant Fallout 4.
>>338454423
THIS
Mexifag here years ago my hometown was controlled by the cartels, it was a small place far from cities, the police was just a bunch of guys, we didn't even had a doctor. The cartels came and controlled the place to have somewhere to save and grow/produce drugs. They took any woman they wanted, if anyone made them angry for whatever bullshit reason was killed, they had a choice to treat people well to have minimal confrontation but no, they where on a power trip, nothing they do had consequences, they could do as they whish and none thought it was for the greater good or some bullshit like that, they just wanted power and money.
It always boils down to that, power and greed. To think people fuck over others for some bullshit or complex reasoning is the child story here and those who go to the extreme to help their people like Hitler or Mussolini are only viewed as villains thanks to the enemy party who won the battle.
But the president was the villain of Fallout 2, Horrigan was literally just his attack dog because obviously the most pampered person on the continent cant go toe to toe with Wastelander Mcbadass main character, but his pet mutated cyborg can
Its even a plot point that most enclave citizens consider Horrigan a thoughtless Psycopath best to be avoided
>>338454130
>>338454548
I'm referring to Frank Horrigan, not the master.
>>338455780
truth its funny when people forget that some people are just plain old animals.
>>338455780
why didn't you join them pussy
>>338456098
Not all cartels recruit randomly also the more people you got, less money goes to your hand.
>>338456389
Oh. Sorry then. Maybe you'll find one that will take you one day.
>>338447502
>Horrigan
He seems pretty dedicated on giving so long answers. I mean, not all developers do the same.
how come all the villians in Bethesda Fallouts are so fucking bland and shit
like compare Fallout 1's the Master, a body horror biomass, to Fallout 3's Liam Neeson
or Caesar to Shaun/Father
why is boston full of orcs
>>338456717
>Liam Neeson
*col autumn
>>338456737
Institute kidnapped a bunch of people and turned them into mutants then threw them out into the wasteland. Eventually they got bored and stopped.
>>338456737
Lore answer: The Institute got their hands on some FEV and made them, and they got loose somehow.
Real/Bethesda answer: Because Fallout has Super Mutants, so they have to be there whether it makes sense or not.
>>338456951
how many hundreds of people did the institute convert
its not like super mutants can make more of themselves yet there are huge hordes of them in both boston and D.C.
So was the Survivalist also The Father in the Caves?
>>338456717
I actually rather liked Eden. Just the idea behind him; a super-computer that thinks it's president of America. Charming, genial and genocidal. Probably my favorite thing to come out of Fallout 3.
I just wish he wasn't written out like a pussy.
>>338454747
>fallout 1 Brotherhood actually talks and acts like medieval Knights, even the map for their base looks like an old tapestry
I miss the KNIGHTS angle of the brotherhood. Monks and Knights.
>>338457118
Yes. He helped out the early members of the Sorrows who came to Zion, and they started worshiping him as a god since he never showed his face to them.
Why do supermutants kidnap and ransom settlers for caps. Where do they spend these caps?
>>338444872
Because Fallout has always had bad plots but good stories.
When are we getting a 60 fps mod for consoles? :/
>>338457354
super duper super mutant mart obviously
the real question is why caps are used as currency on the east coast
there is nothing backing them like the water merchants on the west coast, there is no actual trade because there is zero semblance of civilization on the east coast, and there is zero production of anything aside from basic subsistence farming and scavenging for 210 years
>>338449085
>Both hero and villain should have moral complexities unless it's a myth, fable, or children's story.
Or you know reality.
>>338457586
Because of this
>>338457279
I really need to do that unmarked quest
>>338457586
The Pitt manufactures for the east. They take slaves instead of caps though. I wonder how that worked out lore wise.
I'd be evil for no reason.
Hell, that's my morality for pretty much and game with moral choices.
>>338451756
>How fucking stupid do you have to be to go up to the most dangerous woman in the state and go on about how little you think of women and how stupid and weak she is?
You can single handedly do ALL of the NCR's dirty work and they will still treat you like a rank and file. Obsidian is good, but not "write lines for every npc for every faction's reddit karma" level.
>>338455127
Or maybe they just didn't have the dev time due to a certain company rushing the shit out of them.
>>338457586
And, shit, bottlecaps became worthless in Fallout 2. I'm kind of annoyed they're still in use in New Vegas, but that's easy to write off as an exchange tool for the different currencies floating around in the Mojave.
Fallout 3 just wanted to shoehorn in every iconic visual from the earlier games, sense be damned.
>>338458021
I've never played the original 2 games (planning to get them during the summer sale), and was what do they start using as currency instead of caps? Paper money like the NCR does in NV?
>>338458184
ncr dollars
>>338458184
The NCR becomes a nation and starts to print it's own money. Bottlecaps were only continually used because they were supported by the Hub and the Brahmin Barons.
>>338458264
So the same shit as in NV?
>>338454328
>The brotherhood of steel are nazis
How stupid do you gotta fucking be to say shit like that and not think that you said some stupid shit
>>338458184
Yes, those paper money were initially backed up by Gold which the Brotherhood of Steel managed to melt to slag during their war with the NCR hence why people fall back to bottlecaps as the water-backed NCR paper money becomes much less valuable. It's also why Legion coins are the most valuable because they are made from Gold.
>>338458021
>I'm kind of annoyed they're still in use in New Vegas, but that's easy to write off as an exchange tool for the different currencies floating around in the Mojave.
Vegas isn't a NCR territory though. I'm pretty sure that caps are used by house and the rest of Vegas, meaning that NCR currency isn't really worth shit in the Mojave. There's a NPC in Sloan that talks about this I think.
>>338458308
>>338458365
These two are good answers, thanks. All of this sounds like actual well thought out lore, which makes me excited to play Fallouts 1 and 2, unlike the shit shows that are 3 and 4. Thanks a lot.
>>338458184
Caps were used in Fallout 1. By the time of Fallout 2, NCR started minting gold coins.
>>338458184
>>338458264
>>338458327
It's coins.
>>338458184
Coins mostly. NCR didnt rule the Hub at first and even when they did it was better to impose their own shit so the Hub fatcats couldnt simply them over from the inside like the irl USA. Sadly? This emded up happening anyway but with Cattle Ramcher owners rather than Water Purifier landlords
Plus NCR had the rival governments of Vault City and New Reno to deal with at the time
>>338449679
I mean when you think about it, Sole Survivor is either Military or married to Military
>Vault 87 built for FEV testing on the east coast
>Built five years before FEV even existed, on the opposite coast
>Built two years before the pan virion immunity project even existed, which was the precursor to FEV
What did Bethesda mean by this
>>338453992
They really dropped the ball with these guys
There's little customization with the soldiers, there's like 3 related NPCs, the quests are all radiant shit and you don't even really command them.
I've been playing Fallout 2 and I think I lost motivation for playing. I got onto Navarro to get the vertibird plans, now I'm in San Francisco and kind of lost motivation. How do I rekindle it? Playing 10 luck unarmed jinxed
>>338452539
Well Ceasar does have a brain tumor
>>338449712
Not bad. My only recommendation is to try and raise your luck skill as high as you can get it. You'll need 8 PE and 8 AG and 80% Small Guns to get the Sniper perk. It works by conducting a Luck roll every time you shoot and rewarding you with a critical hit for a successful roll. 10 Luck guarantees a critical hit every shot; almost breaks the game but you'll be unstoppable.
I fucking hate how pumped I was playing 3. I knew very little about Fallout with the exception of the commercials for 3 and I was like 'I like exploring'. After playing 1 and 2 years later, 3 is almost embarrassing. I still appreciate it because I enjoyed it at the time, but it seems like Bethesda just took everything unique about the Fallout world and threw it into a game with little sense behind the meaning. I have mad respect for you dudes who know the lore front and back, by the way.
>>338458996
>I have mad respect for you dudes who know the lore front and back, by the way.
Thanks. While everyone was out partying, fucking and bonding in my high school years I was playing Fallout.
>>338452539
Ironically, despite the name, Fallout Bible is not necessarily "canon"
>>338444872
If you take the time to look into it each faction is pretty convincing.
>>338458540
Literally an excuse to have Super Mutants in Fallout 3.
And they couldn't even make that right.
>>338458996
I had pretty much the same experience, except my opinion changed after playing New Vegas and understanding what Fallout was supposed to be. I finally got around to 1 and 2 last year and loved them.
BIG IRON
>kill child in Fallout one
>Chris Avellone himself hunts you down nonstop with an overleveled gank squad at his back
>they respawn immediately and start hunting you again
This is how you do it right. Allows you do the realistic thing while making it clear the devs themselves dont approve of your actions, therefore no bad PR
>>338458996
>I fucking hate how pumped I was playing 3
Don't be. I had a lot of fun with it and I'm a Fallout purist. You just got to pretend it's a fanfiction game and most of its flaws disappear.
>>338459224
tim cain is allowed to be wrong, just like he is about the bible
>>338458021
>And, shit, bottlecaps became worthless in Fallout 2
Then NCR's gold stockpile got blown up by the BoS, so they became valuable again since they're in limited supply and the NCR didnt have anything to back their cash, so it makes sense in NV
but yeah it makes no sense in FO3
>>338459502
Killing Myron in Fallout 2 can get you the childkiller title. It's the little things that make the first two games great.
>>338459529
Interesting, I'll give it a try. Actually sounds fun when you say it like that.
>>338459683
Also, the kid you can have in Fallout 2 with the daughter of the mob boss in Reno is mentioned as the new mob boss in Fallout NV.
So how exactly is Tenpenny "wealthy"?
Besides squatting in a tower in the middle of nowhere.
It kinda feels like Emil just threw in the detached wealthy Brit aristocrat trope without a single care about explaining it or justifying it. There is no such thing as old world "wealth" anymore.
And how did he get to D.C. from Europe? Wouldn't transcontinental trade and travel in the post-apocalypse be a pretty fucking big deal? And it can't be a function of wealth because Moriarty also traveled to D.C. from Europe as a child.
And where in the name of unholy fuck did Dukov come from?
>>338459529
That was my approach to Fallout 4. I hope someone makes an alternate start mod so I can just ignore the awful story.
>Every last fucking one of them are unapologetically evil for no good reasons.
Seems like you never played Fallout.
>>338459924
The commonly accepted thing is that everyone in britain spends their time making boats to GTFO.
Tenpenny came here young, possibly with some of his old world fortune (gold still has value) and some mercs, fucked around for a bit, claimed the building, and now spends his days getting sauced and being evil.
>dukov
reasons
>>338459924
Dukov? Ukraine? Russia? Why the fuck is he even in the game?
He gives you free booze and that shitty transport the hooker quest. Doesn't even have any valuable loot.
>>338460152
He's one of the guys holding one of the keys for the T-51d Power Armor
>>338460152
My biggest issue is that there's a groups of raiders down the street, but apparently he's such a notoriously good shot that he leaves his doors unlocked and doesn't shoot trespassers on sight unless they're brandishing
>>338460226
Ah shit, forgot about that. My bad.
>tfw no clownshoes
>>338460360
me on the right
Villains shouldn't have to be morally gray, however there should be a REASON for them to be the way they are. Just as Sawyer said, Caesar isn't "morally gray," he's pretty evil by any moral standard. However he has his reasons, and Caesar's Legion makes sense by the established logic in game. So it's more about giving villains viable backgrounds that make sense in the setting rather than one-dimensional caricatures.
>>338451756
>you think of women and how stupid and weak she is?
I didn't interpret it as a comment against you. Tbh it sounded like a back-handed compliment, like when /pol/ says "he's pretty alright, for a nigger."
If anything, the bad parts are you being unable to compete in the arena no matter your status and the implication that the legionaries want to rape your character.
Though from a role-playing perspective I don't see why it's a problem. Not every choice should be viable for every character. Legion doesn't have to be "nicer" so it makes sense for a homogay or female Courier to join it.
>>338457681
>Avellone consults the wiki after reading but is a fanfic author at best
>Bethesda uses a wiki but doesn't read anything besides that
Is that what the image is trying to say?
>>338446643
>real Fallout 3
This is retarded given that Interplay were the ones who fucked everything up, Bethesda just bought the IP. If the Fallout lore didn't even matter to Interplay themselves why are people so butthurt about Bethesda?
>>338460523
>>338450991can we stop fucking bringing up /pol/ any time someone says something vaguely right wing please? i don't want the SJW vs POL bullshit to infect these threads as well
>>338460487
>rather than one-dimensional caricatures.
m8, one of the ways to gain fame with them is by destroying a little slave girl's doll for no reason. They're anti-fun mustache-twirlers.
>>338456717
Caesar isnt even a villain
>>338460854
>They're anti-fun mustache-twirlers.
It's just bantz with the boyz at worst. It's not even evil, it's a calculated movie to further crush the spirit of a future cook, cleaner, and baby incubator.
>>338460679
Interplay legitimately fucked up in a few places in Fallout 2, owned up to it and set the record straight.
Bethesda took the lore into a back ally and raped its asshole at knifepoint then act like nerds when anyone calls them out on it.
>>338460854
Isn't it pretty established that Caesar and Vulpes are the only ones with half a brain in the Legion though? Sallow is using the Legion to rebuild civilization as fucked up as his methods are, his problem is everyone else is retarded. Which is pretty much why the Legion will die after Sallow dies.
>>338460776
I just used it as an easy way to explain what I mean. I suppose I could've used "when racists" but then you'd get people butthurt at you anyway.I browse /pol/ all the time so it's the first thing I thought of.
>>338461005
>Fallout 2
Don't forget Fallout Tactics and Fallout BoS. "Old school" Fallout fans ironically are ignoring half the Fallout lore at this point.
Reminder that this is the type of guy handling the Fallout series
>>338461162
Those games were never considered canon, even when released. Now they're barely even remembered.
>>338461052
>are the only ones with half a brain in the Legion though?
If the captured centurion is at all representative of the education levels of higher rank legionnaires, then they've plenty of people with brains, they're just laden with intentionally laden with caeser's propaganda. If anything the issue is there are plenty of smart people, but most of them live lives where they can't really flex their thinking skills unless they're in command.
>>338461205
Wow what a piece of shit.
>>338461052
>his problem is everyone else is retarded
But he intentionally keeps them retarded so they know no other way and follow him.
>>338461471
Also, most of the people on the Legion were tribals with little skill and knowledge.
>>338461162
>Don't forget Fallout Tactics and Fallout BoS. "Old school" Fallout fans ironically are ignoring half the Fallout lore at this point.
Not even Bethesda considers Fallout BoS canon.
>>338461162
Fallout Shelter is more canon than those two games.
>>338461052
Just listening to repeating dialogue, legion troops seem more educated than the average NCR conscript. Certainly not tribals or farm boys. I wonder what Legionnaire training looks like. Do they all actually learn latin, or is that an officer thing...
>>338461568
>little skill
I wouldn't say that. Living as a tribal you've gotta hunt and shit by what, 16? Fighting with other groups? Running/walking everywhere? I'd say they were plenty skilled but not conventionally educated. Specially compared to NCR's farm boys and city slickers.
>>338461135i see your point, i just don't wanna see irl politics in these threads
>>338447502
I wonder if his impression of overt misogyny isn't retroactive, having jumped on the SJW train. Did he ever voice an opinion on GG? I know he was completely unapologetic about using rape as a plot device in NV.
>>338446345
>not being an autistic Obsidian drone and knowing how they fucked up their development of the Legion
>>338461205
>It has INSERT WACKY NON-REALISTIC ELEMENT HERE therefore it's reasonable to bypass basic, well understood laws of the world
>Super mutants exist therefore it's okay to violate Fallout's in-universe logic
Jesus fucking Christ I hate this argument. Having a non-realistic element in your universe is not a good reason to go around breaking the laws of physics and shit just because you think it's funny, fucking kill yourself Pete.
>>338462501
please for the love of fuck see >>338462262going down this road will only lead to retarded FO4 shitposters/trolls saying "hurr NV is le SJW game" in every thread, with inevitable shitstorms instead of comfy discussions
>>338462828
What unrealistic stuff is this even referring to?
I'm not retarded so I didn't buy FO4.
>>338462501
>using rape as a plot device in NV.
What? All I can think of is the lesbian sniper chick, and that's a comparatively good portrayal of rape and it's effects.
>>338463089
There's a kid that survived since the nukes went off by living in a fridge and turned into a ghoul. Somebody on the writing team thought it'd be a great idea to implement that even though it was universally criticized when Indiana Jones did it, and New Vegas already mocked it. That guy went on Twitter and asked Pete Hines about it, and he pulled that "well super mutants are a thing so yeah you could survive a nuke in a fridge" argument out.
>>338463295
>>338463089
Also, Jet was made in Fallout 2 but got mentioned in a pre-war terminal in a vault in Fallout 4
>>338463294
that's the one. he got shit for it because 'omg rape is always bad how can you put such triggering content in ur game omg'. his response was essentially 'rape is part of war, I'm not gonna gloss over that like it isn't a thing in my post-apocalyptic wasteland setting, that would be retarded' and defended his portrayal of it, which was a pretty good one.
One thing I hated about Bethesda Fallout is that they go overboard on their whacky 50's theme and make it seem like time stopped completely in the 50's.
They actively retconned all the energy weapons into being clunky shit that looks like electrical engineering experiments instead of mass produced ergonomic weaponry used by professional armies and civilian consumers.
FO4 even got rid of the AK pattern weapons and any other "near modern" weapon examples and instead gave us god awful pipe weapons everywhere. The "assault rifle" in FO4 is a damn WW1 machine gun, further enforcing their "nothing after the 50's" rule.
>>338463920
This
>>338463295
>>338463089
Not to mention ghouls need food to live (can't make life without energy to supply it, even if you're a ghoul), and there almost certainly wouldn't be enough food in a single fridge with a child inside for 200 years of sitting there.
>>338465147
Ghouls absolutely require water also.
If you snatch the water chip from Necropolis without fixing their water pump the place dries up and the ghouls die off.
>>338463920
Oh look, it's this fucking "I spell wacky with an h" faggot again.
>>338465649
I'm not really following your arguments anon.
Maybe next time you post you should have a little content.
>>338463294
there's also the human smuggler in the Aerotech Park sidequest,St. James, who is a rapist pedophile, as well as the fiends they sell to, Driver Nephi/Cook-Cook/Motor Runner
and probably other stuff I'm not remembering, but there's multiple instances of rape in NV as a plot point yeah
In Fallout 1 (2?) some chick who's the wife of a magnate cries false rape on you if you don't fuck her, and you can get her pregnant
>>338465147
Wait, he was locked in the fridge the whole time? From >>338463295
I thought he just "survived" by staying in the fridge.
Sounds like they wanted to have a kid act as a mirror to the protag but couldn't figure out a good way to do it.
>>338465897
I agree with your post.
You are just a relic of a dead age and need to either join it or get with the times. Spelling wacky with an h in every Fallout thread just makes people that hate FO4 look bad.
>>338466008
No, he was locked in a fridge the entire time. And we're talking about a standard fridge that he barely fits in. You get the quest by hearing him shouting out for help. The quests ends with you either selling him to some creep who shows up offering money, or finding his family who has also been ghoulified living in their old house and they live happily ever after.
>>338466040
"Whacky" with an H is a legitimate alternate spelling. Slang, if you will.
Now lets talk about Fallout in a Fallout thread instead of pretending to be retarded pedants for the sake of contrarian shitposting.
>>338466008
yep, the whole time
>http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Billy_Peabody
>Billy is the ghoulified child of Carol Peabody and Matt Peabody who hid in a fridge to protect himself from the bombs dropped during the Great War. When Billy entered the fridge he was stuck due to the fridge's locking mechanism not featuring an interior handle. The fridge, in which Billy has been trapped for two hundred and ten years,
210 years with nothing to eat or drink or BREATHE (airtight seals on fridges) and only limited room for movement, yet is still able to walk around as normal, with absolutely no explanation
Bethesda writers ladies and gentlemen
>>338444872
frank horrigan was just lawful evil
he a good boy and din du nuffins :-DDD
>>338466227
Yeah, well, Paul Brians says you're a faggot and gay.
>>338444872
>Evil
>Implying Caesar wasn't right
>Implying the Legion wasn't saving the wasteland
>"villain"
>>338466374
Tell Paul Brians he can suck the colour out of my dick any time he wants.
>>338466429
Fuck off Vulpes, don't you have a slave to fuck or womething
>>338466484
He'd be much more interested if you didn't spell "wacky" like you were retarded.
>>338466246
It would have been fine if it were a silly Easter egg, but who decided to make it a full blown quest?
I think I love Fallout 4 if for no other reason than I like bitching.
>new vegas mentions denver
>never get to go there
My home is never good enough to be in a video game :/
>>338466873
bit of a dog act, aye cunt?
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Denver
>>338466873
it was in the original draft of the original fallout 3
it was to be infested with dogs, salvagers, evil salvagers and i think this is where they got the idea for powdergangers from
>>338466952
>http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Denver
>>338446643
Fallout 3 cucks on suicide watch.
>>338449085
>video game stories
>not children's stories
>>338461052
The Praetorian commander seemed like a reasonable dude desu
Plus if you consider Van Buren lore semicanon theres the priestesses of Mars who raise the Legions kids. Aside from a little brainwashing and harsh discipline I dont think theyd be super evil or stupid
>>338461830
According to Van Buren theyre educated by the Priestesses of Mars, its mostly propaganda & lashings tho more than actual education. Im sure theyre all experts at survival skills, maintaining a gun, and martial arts. Probably well versed in the Legions religion and whatever actual info on ancient rome Caesar feels necessary
why is graham wearing a swat suit
literally deepest lore
>>338469775
Because he found it. And it's good armor. Same reason the NCR rangers are wearing LAPD riot gear.
>>338469775
Because it looks cool.
WHY
H
Y
>>338470640
Not as WHY as this one.
>>338470640
It's the first fully enclosed frame and suit since the T-51b left production lines. Enclave didn't have complete access to 45 and 51 suits, so the only other method of generating walkable tanks is to start making new ones.Fuck you Bethesda, t60's are non-enclosed frames with fragmented suit remnants plastered onto them!
>>338470986
>that face
>>338450429
It's worth noting that this answer is immediately after a female courier asks him "Do you think it's odd that Caesar would want to speak to a woman?" and is immediately followed up with "...but there's always extraordinary outliers and I don't question Caesar's judgment of you."
Additionally, we should remember that the Legion reduces virtually everyone in it to simple cogs in the machine. Everyone other than Caesar and *maybe* the other guys in his tent are supposed to be interchangeable pawns with a clearly defined role assigned from up high. Its essential to their single-minded and absolute authority to Caesar rather than their brothers in arms, their families, or their original tribes.
>>338466484
>>338466662
This is the kind of shit I like to read at 5:00 in the morning, guys.
>>338455264
More likely get within fifty miles of the Glow, say "shit, maybe this was a bad idea" and turn around.
>>338458937
Unless you grind like a motherfucker (and Fallout 2 is not a fun game to grind in) you won't get that perk until you're 90% done with the game at least. I never understood people who design their whole build around the last hour of the game.
>>338459894
It's implied, but all we know is that the new mob boss spends a lot of time in the wastes.
I mean, hell, Bishop was the one hiring those mercenaries to attack Vault City, right? Maybe it's Shadow Who Walks's kid.
>>338470986
oink oink
>>338461205
Pete's not handling the Fallout series, he just does PR.
>>338470986
Reminds me of these guys from Mass Effect.
>>338450957
Fallout 3 is objectively better than the empty nothing that is new Vegas. every aspect about it was done better/ thought over longer
>>338450210
Quote 1 (one) person who is objectively morally white.
>>338473284
You tell em man! Such deep world building
>>338457927
They treat you like a civilian contractor that is outside the chain of command, and I liked it very much.
The higher ups arent licking your boots, but the normal soldiers are amazed of you and call you sir even though you really arent an NCR officer.
>>338444872
>>338449085
You're retarded. In real life most bad people are bad just because they are. They don't have "reasons" of why they're bad you fucking terrorist apologist.
>>338474896
>They treat you like a civilian contractor that is outside the chain of command
>The higher ups arent licking your boots, but the normal soldiers are amazed of you and call you sir even though you really arent an NCR officer.
This anon. While deployed ALL contractors, from the guy who is the ARCGIS SME to the guy who does static security at the porta johns are revered by junior enlisted. All the male junior enlisted think they are all WWPS operators and all the female junior enlisted get their panties slick.
And most of them work at the post office, work in logistics, or do static security.
>>338461351
>>338461571
>>338461760
I may be misremembering, but didn't some high up story guy at Bethesda say that Fallout: Tactics was 'broad strokes' canon, i.e the main plot occurred but not the specifics of the game?
Tactics wasn't particularly offensive to canon anyway. It was just a bunch of pragmatic Brotherhood guys capitalising on their unfortunate situation and then fighting a re-activated robot army controlled by a brain-powered AI; all of that sort of stuff had already showed up in the previous games but just not on that scale.
>>338471037
Been there, done that, made an actually good suit.
>>338449712
Why do you have 3 9s? gifted small frame?
>>338457707
You should. It's the single best part of Honest Hearts, about top 5 for the game as a whole
The Tactics power armor is the sexiest power armor
Don't know what the fuck Bethesda was thinking when they made it the Enclave power armor tho
http://video-game-break.com/fallout-4-console-users-attacking-pc-mod-developers-because-of-a-lack-of-compatibility-with-mods-on-console-version/
how does this make you feel?
>FO1: Gotta find this important water chip to save my vault!
>FO2: Gotta find this sophisticated terraforming kit to save my tribe!
>FO3: MUH DAD
>FO4: MUH BOI
Thanks, Bethesda
>>338478583
I haven't played FO3
what did they need the GECK there for?
>>338478805
muh references
>>338478805
Bethesda doesn't know how to make video games.
>>338478805
>>338479109
>>338479281
I just checked the wiki
They used it for a water purifier?
Couldn't they just make their own lake with that shit?
>>338480054
Dude do you really think New Vegas ISN'T the "end all be all"?
Fuck. We see daily threads discussing which faction is the best and the morality of said factions.
Do you think a lesser game would have discussions like this? Hell even games like Deus ex doesn't have so many discussions about which faction is the best.
This says a LOT about the quality of fallout new vegas.
>>338480297
The reason why those threads happen is because it's a front to discuss and shit on Bethesda and to paste old pasta which hasn't changed in years. The factions in New Vegas aren't that "deep." The gameplay isn't THAT fucking good. It's a fun game with good replayability. That's it. If it's the best Fallout game, this series deserves to die. At this point, it's severely overrated.
>>338473284
Little Lamplight is the stupidest videogame location of all time. The rest of the game isn't much better.
>>338449085
Gentlemen, we got a NewVegas cuck.
>>338449085
That's a weird myth. Who forced you to listen to such bullshit when you were a child?
>>338480764
>Little Lamplight is the stupidest videogame location of all time.
I haven't played FO3 since 2010 and all I remember from it is how much I hated those kids.
>>338478017
I'm getting tired of this world.
>>338478017
>consoles can now get mods
>but they can't get script extender
it's like a monkey paw wish
>>338449967
Not with 9 agility, you can easily cheese all the enemies or just run past them.
>>338478017
Why doesn't he just tag the mod so they can get it and have it crash their game? I mean, he's already getting angry hatemail for not tagging it so why not tag it, teach them a lesson, and still get angry hatemail?
>>338481263
the site probably detects some sort of incompatible content in his mod that doesn't allow him to tag it
>>338444872
>Frank Horrigan
HULK HORRIGAN BROTHERRRRRRR
I SURE HATE ME SOME REDS OHHH YEAH
>>338479579
Bethesda threw it in because it existed. That's the only reason. Any halfway intelligent person could've allowed the player to use the G.E.C.K to do fucking ANYTHING else besides the water purifier. But no, we had to basically waste D.C's biggest chance at climbing out of the apocalypse because Bethesda is full of dumbass writers.
>>338478583
You forgot
>FONV:MUH VEGAS
>>338481717
More like
>I just want revenge against the man who shot me in the head, and here I am being thrown into a massive war I don't want any part of that will decide the entire fate of the Mojave.
>>338444872
>Master
>Not the good guy
>Enclave
>Not the good guys
>NCR
>Not the good guys
>>338481137
I don't really understand mods on a console in the first place. There's going to be so much stuff you can't do.
>>338480764
>be F3 dev
>make children immortal because you're chickenshit
>a smarter dev would place very few children from the game so as not to draw attention to this fact
>you make a city full of immortal children, and make them as annoying as possible, so that the player would want to kill them and thus run into said immortality
>this city was started by children who got trapped in the cave during WW3
>still full of children today, 200+ years after the war
>it's also like 20 feet away from the worst nest of super mutants in the Capital Wasteland
I don't know if it's THE stupidest location ever, but it's certainly up there.
>>338480764
Megaton is up there too. FO3 is pretty stupid all-around.
>>338481717
That's only one choice of many in the game you fucking bell-end.
>>338481989
At least Megaton had the one kid, and since there were people all around you would be butchered unless you came back later in power armor and high end energy weapons.
>>338482260
I could sort of understand ghouls forming a town around a nuke, since they are benefitted by radiation, and a working nuke would scare off anyone. But normal humans settling around one is fucking stupid, I can't remember how many times I pressed the button to detonate it as if I was trying to prove a point to the nonexistant NPC's.
>>338482418
Having it just be a town of ghouls is a simple solution to that town's main problem but leave it to Bethesda to totally miss that.
>>338446809
I'm hoping beyond hope Obsidian will make a Fallout based in and around Chicago, which seems to be a possible final bastion of Enclave power. Obsidian did a great job showing their good elements from talking to the old vets in New Vegas.
>>338482690
I'd love to have a Fallout where you can explore the remnants of tall, complicated architecture. Chicago would be perfect for that.
>>338457139
Eden could be reasoned with. Forcing him to self-destruct or going along with his accidental genocide are two extremes. Where was the opportunity to convince him of a third path?
Bethesda needs to read Dies The Fire (but just the first book) for an idea of how a new society should be born. There's such potential in the Fallout IP, but they're squandering it.
>>338482876
True verticality in a ruined city would be lovely to see. That very first Fallout 1 opening cutscene hints at it. I want to explore that old city the television is in. Probably it was the remnant of Los Angeles, but another major city like it would be something.
Bethesda is floundering - not as bad as Bioware, but comparable.
>>338450429
Doesn't matter what the Legionnaires think because in the end it's Caesar's word that matters.
>>338444872
Master was clearly insane, but his goal was to help humanity flourish by adapting entire human species to New World. He wasn't aware Super Mutants are infertile, until Vault Dweller showed him BoS researches on SM. He stopped entire project once he realised it will achieve nothing.
Enclave wanted to push "reset" button, so they can restore the Old World. Eliminate mutants and contaminated people, so real humanity may have a new start.
Calculator wasn't inherently evil. It was just machine performing pre-defined instructions, to cleanse wasteland for it resettlement.
F3 Enclave had more and less same goal as F2 Enclave, they're just retarded in their methods and policies, because quality Bethesda writting.
Caesar made himself villain purposely, so he can push humanity foward, make it adapt to New World, both by civilizing degenerated tribes, and by removing reliance on Old World tech. His methods may be evil, but they work, and fast. Illiterate tribes are turned into civil society not withing generations, but years.
NCR tries to spread civilization as well, but it's not monolith like a Legion. Republic is sum of its people, which makes them greatly ineffective, compared to clear goal and strong leadership of the Legion. They're slowed down by politics, humanism and liberalism, none of them really working out in reality of wasteland. It highlights greatly source of Legion's success.
>>338481603
>>338482260
I'm replaying Fallout 3 now. It's fun in a themepark sense, but goddamn it's completely incoherent.
>>338483113
It isn't exclusive to Fallout. Bethesda just writes bad stories for their games in general. And people just pay for that shit anyway so they have no reason to do better.
Would you guys read a comic about an alternative fifth ending for NV?
>>338444872
Horrigan wasn't in charge of Enclave. He was just their enforcer.
>>338481989
>>make children immortal because you're chickenshit
Seriously, Jack Thompson is disbarred (is he even still alive?), Mortal Kombat's controversy seems quaint, and we have far more risque stuff happening in real life - the media doesn't have the interest in villifying games anymore. Those of you in your very early 20s and younger in the US might not remember those days, but it was a holdover of the "D&D and rock music is the Devil" era. But it's done, and I don't understand why developers still act like it's still in full force.
>>338483356
If the art is good, sure.
>>338483516
No reason for big media to demonize games when the gaming press is intent on eating its own. Just imagine the hot take clickbait shit that would arise.
>>338452204
it's even better in OWB, when after long buildup and defeating giant RoboScorpion, main villain turns out to be rambling old guy with dementia, who does Mad Scientist drama just to keep his friends from bringing harm to outside world.
>>338482418
>>338482584
>implying that the undetonated nuke gives off radiation
Why are you even hating on megaton? It's one of the few actually cool concepts the game has to offer.
>>338481717
>>338481803
>>338482358
No no.
>FONV:MUH BENNY
>>338483861
The water underneath the nuke is radioactive
>>338484065
I know. That doesn't affect the livability of megaton at all. You know, because the only thing in the puddle is the nuke.
>>338444872
>Every last fucking one of them are unapologetically evil for no good reasons.
Because explaining your motivations is a luxury that has no place in a post-nuclear apocalypse.
Also, The Master was a decent villain.
>>338483848
The main villain is the Think Tank to be honest. Talking them down from experimenting on the outside world after doing all their quests is one of the most satisfying things I've done in a game.
Ulysses is a pretty good villain too, but he kind of requires you to realize that, a) he's kind of insane, and b) that that's the point of his character
>>338460854
>for no reason
She's not meant to have it
That's why Antony confiscated it
>>338483848
>that twist with the ouroboros, mandala, mobius strip, klein's bottle, zero and eight.
I probably wouldn't have figured it out if I wasn't high on mentats the whole time that my character pointed it out.
>>338484264
>the only thing in the puddle is the nuke.
"Hey man, I just noticed that the puddle of water under the bomb is radioactive"
"Really?"
"Yeah, you think we should leave?"
"Nah it'll be fine"
"But what happens when the radiation leaks into the earth and effects our crops?"
"What crops?"
"The crops that we're growing to sustain our fledgling community"
"Why do we need crops? The bomb's already made us distinct from all the other locations in the wasteland"
"What the fuck are you talking about? We can't eat the bomb. Matter of fact, why did we decide to build our village around a device that could literally kill us at any minute?"
"I though it would be cool"
"Yeah alright fuck this. I'm out. Have fun dying slowly of radiation poisoning."
>>338483516
Plenty of countries would still bar a game being sold in their country if you could kill kids in it.
>>338484772
Applying even basic logic to Bethesda lore usually upends it. It doesn't help that they write Fallout like a Saturday morning cartoon.
>>338482690
>more enclave
Please no, they shouldn't be alive in F3 so they definetly shouldn't be alive now.
>>338484772
>you know what, let's worship the bomb
>why
>i dunno, just seems like a fun thing to do
And then even more people thought it was a fun, and not incredibly stupid, thing to do that the religion spread to boston
>>338470640
I think the why is because they raided the Midwestern.
>>338484995
A remnant that bears the name but has clearly evolved over more than a century, given that the two dominant branches were wiped out? I'd like that, especially if they were actually more the good faction.
>>338470986
Pigs are BAD and so that's how you know the Enclave is BAD.
>>338484772
If the people making the game were as autistic as you and as concerned with every detail being realistic as possible just for the sake of it, then we would not have one of the coolest moments in the entire game, or in vidya in general.
The fact that megaton is built around the nuke means that you as a player have the opportunity to blow it the fuck up and destroy the entire city, which makes for an awesome, interesting quest with a really cool scene. Then you, get to visit the wreckage of the city and witness the destruction in total, even get to encounter a survivor.
But no, fuck all that. I agree with you, I would much rather leave all that out so that we can have a boring-ass game that at least is accurate in terms of fucking crop radiation. You sure know how to make a good game, keep telling those devs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc6iUCX2u3Q
>>338484772
>"Have fun dying slowly of radiation poisoning."
Well...they're not. And Megaton seems to be the only major settlement in F3 that doesn't have even token crops growing outside, so presumably they really do import it all.
Of all the issues to take with Megaton and its bomb in particular, that one isn't terribly relevant. The radiation in the water isn't a danger to anyone except the people who deliberately want to be irradiated and maybe that one cow that doesn't seem to have any purpose (they sure don't seem to be eating or milking it).
>>338483861
>central premise of the plot is that water is hard to come by
>walk into Megaton
>functioning pump station
>leaky pipes spewing precious water all over the place no one cares about fixing
>still has a guy dying of thirst right outside
>>338485063
I think the way NV handled it was pretty good. It definetly seemed like it was the end for the Enclave. The only enclave presence that would be acceptable are abandoned outposts.
Do I have to become a cyborg by the end of OWB? I want my character pure of any mutations or alterations, to live as God intended with a .45 Auto
>>338485136
Let's build a city out of shitty rusting airplane parts instead of occupying one of the very intact brick and mortar areas only a mile or two away.
>>338485034
Bethesda just really, really, really wanted to make this reference, okay?
>>338485343
Yes, going to Big MT makes you a cyborg even if you choose to take your original organs back at the end
>>338485376
Todd really needs someone to slap his shit. He's a damned good businessman and manager, but this shit isn't sustainable in the long run.
>>338485136
> coolest moments in the entire game, or in vidya in general
>which makes for an awesome, interesting quest with a really cool scene
or it's a simplistic quest with a loaded, binary choice at the end that pretty much exemplifies the main problems with bethesda and fallout. did you only start playing games with the xbox 360 you massive faggot?
>>338485136
If your suspension of disbelief collapses, then the awesome coolness loses all impact.
>>338485445
Then I will not be doing OWB, just the other dlcs which is fine they're the good ones.
>>338455314
Would you have sentient AIs running around and wrecking humanity's shit some more? Because it sounds like you would.
Choke on a mutant's shriveled dick, heretic.
>>338485489
No, I just don't let pretending to be intellectual stop me from enjoying a nuke explosion.
>>338485136
>blow this town up
>nah
>quest over, house obtained
>okay
>go to place, see one time light show, house obtained
Wow what an awesome, interesting quest that was. And then you can visit a ditch while Moira "I'm part of the only quest with any effort put into it" is still alive because some people didn't finish Wasteland Survival Guide yet and we can't have choices leading to consequences
>>338485136
I want people who played Fallout 3 as underage cancer to leave.
>>338455780
>those who go to the extreme to help their people like Hitler or Mussolini are only viewed as villains thanks to the enemy party who won the battle.
No they're viewed as villains because of the choices they made. There are many who view the American settlers as villains despite that they're on the winning side of history. The rest of your post was good.
>>338485136
>If the people making the game were as autistic as you and as concerned with every detail being realistic as possible just for the sake of it
Do you understand how suspension of disbelief works? Because Megaton clearly breaks it for no other reason than to have a completely pointless quest where you blow up a city.
If the citizens of Megaton didn't know it was a bomb then I could handle it. Maybe they think it's a spaceship, or some other magic piece of pre-war tech. Shit that kind of fetishistic portrayal of technology could even tie into the thrust of the story somehow, what with the enclave and the brotherhood fighting it out over pre-war shit, but no. It's a bomb, everyone knows it's a bomb, they decided that it was a good idea to live on top of a bomb, and you can blow it up if you decide to be a dick.
>>338485343
Kinda. You get all your organs back, but they're suped up. If it's really an issue you can just use the console to remove the perks
OWB isn't really the place for pure humans anyway
>>338485136
Now this is high quality bait
Mind if I save it for future fallout threads?
>>338485670
>i'm not a big gay thinker like you
>dude sick explosions XD
>>338485557
>they're the good ones.
Everyone pretty much agrees that OWB is one of the better dlcs, and I probably wouldn't argue with them.
>>338485996
I disagree
>>338463920
Something that makes no goddamn sense is why are there no ak type guns? They were intentionally made to be easy to make and use, be incredibly reliable, and have enough play in the design to allow modification. It's a near perfect weapon for a post apocalyptic setting, why is it not everywhere?
>>338485136
This would make for some amazing bait if you clearly didn't believe your own bullshit.
>>338486235
Without having played it?
>use the power of Friendship to win over the Think Tank and keep them out of trouble
>you don't actually do anything to address the terrible things they did while they were alive or planned to do when they got free
>the situation is disarmed because four of them like having you around and the fifth one doesn't like being on the wrong end of an argument
>>338485762
>There are many who view the American settlers as villains
People think this about soviets and revolutionaries too.
You know why some of them hated and some not?
Because the hated ones did not win and brainwash the population to see them as saviors.
>>338485996
It is certainly one of the worst DLCs in terms of combat.
Dead Money, for all the debate over its difficulty, is the only one with reasonable combat.
>>338486317
Sure, I have seen portions and have a general idea about it and for me it will not be one of the better dlcs according to my subjective tastes. One being an aversion to the retro sci-fi themes apparently in OWB.
>>338486461
Well if you thought they need to die you can just shoot them.
>>338486473
That's because they are saviors of their way of life. The victors tell their kids about how they won the war to secure their way of life, and about the bad guys who wanted to stop them.
It's human nature to dehumanize the enemy, and it's easy to see how a simple moral disagreement can end up glorified as a fight between good and evil
>>338486549
Agreed. OWB was NV's Mothership Zeta. Much better than Zeta, but nonetheless...
>>338486495
>in terms of combat
Too difficult? Too easy? Too many gimmicks? Be specific because the combat kind of sucks in all the FPS Fallout games.
>>338486495
>is the only one with reasonable combat.
What's wrong with LR, that one had great combat? DM had that fucking sneaking issue, where the ghost people had infinite perception.
>>338486670
>OWB was NV's Mothership Zeta
You can't be more wrong.
>>338485768
Suspension of disbelief doesn't mean that every minute detail has to be believable, that's exactly the point: that you excuse some minor logical flaws in the interest of telling an interesting story. If everything was correct, there would be no disbelief to suspend.
Every single science fiction film or game, even the ones that are the biggest, most famous staples of the genre like Star Wars have tremendous logical errors and nonsense that they excuse so that they can make room for magical force chokes and a growling, hairy beast that people seem to understand for some reason.
Why then is it such a bother that people built a city around the nuke, just so that the game can boast "there's a city built around a nuke, you can blow it up if you want" ? It makes for a fun gimmick. That's it. Is this really the level of scrutiny that should be applied to this game? In my opinion, you are all too obsessed over nothing.
>tfw no official side comics about various happenings of the mojave
>tfw no video series about a group of misfits roaming around and doing shit and drinking drinks
>tfw no extra story DLC about what happens after the final story
why did my favorite game have to get so shafted.
>>338486461
Ironically, their descent into madness is their salvation. The Think Tank is no longer the people they were, and no longer really have the capacity to handle normal morality. Killing the brains in jars isn't going to bring back the hundreds of prisoners tortured over two hundred years; keeping them alive and having them make the wasteland slightly less of a hell is the only way you can make their atrocities worth a damn.
Think of it like Operation Paperclip I guess.
As for the last point, same thing. They're literally not even really human beings anymore, with the closest thing to a moral compass being their idiosyncratic insecurities. Something that petty and stupid is the only thing those geniuses understand.
>>338450429
>I DON'T KNOW HOW ANCIENT ROME WORKED STOP HURTING MUH SOGGY KNEES
>>338486895
>I don't like people applying even basic criticism/thought to my favorite video game: the post
>>338486991
>tfw no extra story DLC about what happens after the final story
That would be impossible even if Obsidian didn't have restrictions.
>>338487039
We are having a discussion here. You think Megaton is bullshit, I don't. You think it breaks suspension of disbelief, I don't. You have a right to criticize, don't I have a right to respond? Or can you not handle it when someone tells you you're wrong?
>>338486714
Did you see
>>338447502
?
It was entirely teleporting bullet sponges. It's only 'difficult' in that sense; its not really something you can circumvent with skill.
>>338486762
The Tunnelers are like OWB's problems but on a smaller scale. The Deathclaw and Marked Men segments are perfectly fine, however.
Honest Hearts was similar too. Bullet sponges with end-game weapons just thrown at you instead of an actual variety of enemies.
>>338486670
The only similarity is the technology being at the forefront.
OWB has better combat, quests, writing, no shit companions, and is better in practically every way. It seems pretty wacky on the surface, but there's good reasons for everything in OWB. It's very different from Bethesda's "wouldn't that be cool" design method
I hope your aim was to trigger me because you succeeded
>>338487168
And yet, they were planning to do it. There's even a few recorded lines of dialogue about it.
The biggest ones are Mick commenting on his future under Faction, Veronica commenting on the future of the BoS under Faction and Colonel Moore explaining what happened in an NCR victory (she gets promoted)
There's also new lines for the Securitrons and some random wastelanders praising/bitching you out for your choice
>>338486991
What is Nuka Break?
>>338487370
Really? That's interesting. Where can read up on this?
>>338486895
>Every single science fiction film or game, even the ones that are the biggest, most famous staples of the genre like Star Wars have tremendous logical errors and nonsense that they excuse so that they can make room for magical force chokes and a growling, hairy beast that people seem to understand for some reason.
As long as the character decisions and the flow of the story make sense people wont give a shit about whether a parsec is a measure of space or time, they just know that's the fact the Han did the kessel run in 12 of them is impressive. With Megaton there is literally no reason why a group of seemingly clear-minded people would build a town around a fucking nuke other than as a gimmick for the game.
>>338487258
Different guy famalam
>>338486991
You got a prequel comic, it's more than most games get
>>338487463
https://tcrf.net/Fallout:_New_Vegas/Unused_Dialog#Post-Endgame_References
You can even listen to most of it
>>338487591
Didnt it get released with the game or something? It was basically meant to set up some of the events since the game is filled with refrences to it.
>>338487471
According to the wiki, the city was built around the crater of the plane wreckage because it offered protection against the wind. The remains of the plane could be used as building materials. The nuke is clearly a dud, meaning it doesn't offer a threat, at least big enough to discourage against the positive aspects the location offers. Then again, this is the sort of thing one can selectively discuss so that it is angled any which way. For me, however, it is sufficent suspension of disbelief.
>>338487020
Caesar doesent give a shit about how ancient rome worked.
>>338487705
thanks famalam
>>338487738
Released with the Collectors Edition
It's the story of Benny picking up the Great Khans and walking to Goodsprings. Three places in the Mojave reference it, Chance's Grave and the Tribal Village both north of Goodsprings and Chance's Map further up nearer to Red Rock Canyon
>>338487471
Yo I'm entering this discussion for a sec.
Megaton was founded by the Children of the Atom, who clearly aren't clear-minded people; the rest of the settlers took advantage of an existing township instead of breaking ground for a new one.
Megaton is somewhat ludicrous as a concept, but I take it in the same way I took the atomic bomb worshipers in Planet of the Apes.
>>338487020
I don't hate them because they mistreat women.
I hate them because they're tribal filth unworthy of kissing the Emperor's golden boots.
>>338449085
What are the moral complexities of someone like Jeffrey Dahmer? Or Idi Amin? Or Charlie Manson?
A misguided villain with understandable motives can be interesting but it isn't always necessary. There are lots of shitty vile people who do awful things just because they enjoy it.
So I finished Honest Hearts, Joshua Graham was pretty cool. Zion was a nice location, the Survivalist was a good touch. The quests weren't great, Follows-Chalk and Waking Cloud had nice lines but didn't feel like fully fleshed out companions.
I'm about to start Dead Money, which from what I hear can be difficult especially for stealth based characters. I'm not sure what to expected with Lonesome Road, in my head its a stretch of highway, with some towns dotting the roadside. Its filled with a constant sandstorm effect like Hidden Valley?
>>338487471
Han Solo was spouting bullshit with his 12 parsecs
And Ben saw right through it
It even says so in the fucking script
only dumb fucking EU fags try to make convoluted explanations for that small line
>>338486895
>It makes for a fun gimmick. That's it. Is this really the level of scrutiny that should be applied to this game? In my opinion, you are all too obsessed over nothing.
I agree with this unironically. I mean sure it's stupid to build around an "inactive" nuke, but people do things more retarded than that in real life, and it's at least a neat gimmick and not a fucking annoying one like a city of children.
>>338488183
If you have YUP and fixed the Ghost People perception bug stealthing is a lot easier but I'd still say it's mostly pointless
They're slow as shit and the one time there's a large number of them skulking around you're free to just run right past them without stopping
>>338444872
Tell me about him. Why does he wear the mask?
>>338488489
I'm also seeing that apparently the ghost men need to be dismembered, or vaporized? So why do you need Melee and Unarmed for this?
>>338488674
You don't but it's useful. The Knife Spear is incredibly common, does bonus limb damage and you can make an even better version that does even more limb damage
Just twatting the fucks in the face with a spear is the easiest, most cost effective way of dealing with them. They die for good whenever a limb is crippled so just hitting them straight in the head with a +limb weapon makes them go down like a sack of potatoes
>>338488674
Because melee and unarmed are more likely to sever limbs.
You can get a perk from Dog that always kills them anyway so the whole thing is irrelevant.
Melee/unarmed is just easier because they don't require ammo.
>>338452476
>Who really is evil, anon?
Jews.
>>338488674
>>338488870
Or you could take the Cannibalism perk, pass a speech check with Dog and kill them like you kill any enemy.
>>338489180
Or take bloody mess and have a chance of taking them down permanently with any weapon
>>338489180
>being filthy dumb Strange eating scum
Their limb health depletes faster than their regular health so aiming for the limbs is still the easiest way to do it
Post and rate em
>>338489459
Not really, since you never have to worry about them coming back alive.
>>338489495
Yeah kill yourself.
>>338489495
Stockholm syndrome/10
Nice art though
>>338489495
cute art~
>>338489649
Yes really, they die the moment a limb is crippled regardless of their actual health
>want to play FNV again
>install and start getting mods
>end up spending 2 hours installing and trouble shooting 50 mods
>doesnt work anyway
>delete everything
>Repeat every 2-4 months
fucking kill me
>>338489823
Read readmes, check required mods. It's not really that hard.
>>338489495
>>338489682
What is this tumblr shit?
>>338489992
not even that, its just all the different mods and shit clashing, load order etc. way too much effort
fucking gamebyro
>>338490030
It's fun, used to be pretty common in /fog/ back before FO4 was announced and all the shitheels from /tesg/ and /v/ migrated.
>>338490030
>tumblr
Fucking dumbass
>>338489823
Modding New Vegas is fucking easy mode, try doing it with Oblivion and discover that even game engines can cry.
>>338489773
That is, if you manage to cripple their limb. You don't have to worry about that at all with the perk.
>>338489495
>fav factions
>legion and followers
they're like the opposite of each other dude
>>338490420
>Not knowing Ceasar was educated by the Followers
He even lets them leave peacefully when he takes over Vegas.
>>338447502
I can't believe the amount of thought they had in the writing of NV.
Then you look at FO4 and jesus christ what happened?
>>338490510
And? Their ideals still conflict with eachother.
>>338489495
wait, I sorta recognize this stylefullcircle? rachel?
>>338490342
>take knife spear
>apply directly to face
It's not hard to hit them consistently in one place in melee range
Anything that goes down without its head exploding is taken care on in 5 seconds with an extra whack. It's a nice perk but basically pointless
>>338490569
This happened.
>>338490689
It's not that easy unless you play on easy difficulty.
>>338490647
Maybe she has an appreciation for the followers accumulated knowledge?
>>338490816
Well we'll just have to agree to disagree
Because in my experiences you only need that perk if you're a scrub who can't aim for shit while using a weapon specifically designed to kill Ghost People by hitting them in the weakest of their weakpoints
>>338490718
His face looks like some Ed Edd n' Eddy shit.
>>338490951
Followers are antithetical to the Legion's ideals, and Caesar only lets them leave because of his past with them
Where the legion repress knowledge and praise strength, the Followers spread knowledge and help the sick and injured.
>>338490510
This is a 10% remnant of his humanity, and 90% a massive stroking of his ego.
Caesar heavily resents the Followers for sending him to research idiotic tribals and disagrees strongly with most of their ideals.
Through this, he can walk right up to their doorstep in the middle of his bloody seizure of the Mojave with the very tribals they sent him to study, send them on their merry way, and go back to establishing his regime of war and slavery.
To him, this is a huge gesture of affirmation that he is right, and they are wrong.
>>338491003
>nah you're just a scrub
Oh wow, didn't realize i was dealing with a master of debating here.
Maybe you should try tackling Dead Money on Hardcore and Very Hard difficulty.
>>338490030
you and all your fucking wisdom and lack of aptitude to google shit before you fucking type, combined with this post
sad knowing this place is pushing oldfags out through sheer disrespect, these are the kinds of posts that make me want to give up on this website 100%.
>>338490030
>tumblr
N E W F A G A L E R T
>>338491269
I like your angle on the Caesar/Followers relationship
>you want tribals? Here's your tribals
>pity I erased their culture and turned them into bloodthirsty war machines, though
>you can leave now, vegas is mine
>>338490650nah, just generic moeshit
>>338447502
Does Sawyer always explain what he meant to do with a game after it is out?
Must be nice having a fanbase trained to find that acceptable.
>>338449085
Fuck off.
>Just want to find a merchant to deal with/sleep
>Legion hit team shows up at the worst time
>RETRIBUTION!
>Profligate!
>Degenerate!
They're more of a chore than a threat like the NCR hit teams
>>338449359
Oh who gives a shit.
>>338490086
I have like 30 mods going at a time nigga, it's not hard if you just use your head for maybe a few minutes at a time.
>>338491765
Get out of here todd
>>338491640
>Science and technology are important, right?
>Here's an entire civilization of people I specifically bred Luddite philosophy into.
It could easily be argued that the Legion in its entirety is solely Edward Sallow's attempt to get back at the Followers. Everything about them is utterly antithetical to their intention, to the point where if its not intentional, its a subconscious attempt on Caesar's part to fuck with them. I do not blame Arcade for his opinion on the man.
The only thing Caesar truly agrees with the Followers on is that the NCR and democracy as a whole is a very flawed system.
>most of New Vegas is about holding on to the past, letting go or beginning again
>main quest
>Help the NCR with their old world style democratic but corrupt government or Caesar's brutal but wasteland befitting Legion
>House wants Vegas to be just like in the old world with him power tripping around it
>Independent fucks them all up
>the whole Dead Money
>have the tribals leave Zion or hold on and fight for it
>Joshua forgetting about Legion and settling for a peaceful tribal life
>Clark's suicide
>OWB's looped Think Tank and each of their personal quests
>Ulysses' whole retarded bullshit
>the companion quests
>have Raul be an old mechanic man or get him back to his vaquero shit
>have Boone forget about Bitter Springs or let him go crazy with it
>have Lily take the drugs that makes her forget her grandkids or let her remember them at the cost of her sanity
>have Veronica remain with the brotherhood or join for the Followers
>have arcade return to Enclave or remain with Followers
>Let Brotherhood fuck around in the dark or let them take action
>>338491765
Only when you get shafted by another company, forcing you to make a game in the minimum amount of time.
>>338491765
It's better than say, I dunno, Ken Levine defensively shitposting about how it was everyone else's fault that the story sucked my cock.
>>338490420
>>338490647
you can still like both
NV too much NCR-Sided. They have little flaws and the Legion have too much flaws.
They could've made it so the NCR is clearly out of its depth and lacks the means to hold control (they don't, the only reason they're stretched is the Legion), while the Legion is brutal, hard-handed, but fair, can be trusted and dealt with (they can't be, they constantly betray and slaughter even their own allies, such as the Tangled Hairs), and offer much more stability. And this is obviously where they wanted to go, with hints at trade route security, but it's never fleshed out. That means there's no balance between the factions.
The only real flaw of the NCR is that they are pretty boring.
So in end that this blogpost >>338447502 and this video are bullshit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmAF4NIsFhc
They are pretty good villains, but as a gameplay faction that you can join, they are pretty bad.
>>338491880
I always treat the NCR and the Legion showing up as tumblr and /pol/ shitposters filling up a thread.
>>338488135
why is it so hard to distinguish between fictional villain and real life criminal
>>338492028
>House wants Vegas to be just like in the old world with him power tripping around it
lol thats hilariously wrong
>>338492110
Wow I totally disregard everything they said because of your post.
>>338492110
More like it's very Independent-sided, the NCR just comes off as a bumbling band of baboons who are incapable of doing anything right.
>>338492110
>but as a gameplay faction that you can join, they are pretty bad.
stopped reading there
>>338492110
>They have little flaws and the Legion have too much flaws.
I don't see why every faction has to be equal.
>>338492332
this.
>>338491683do you have a tumblr i can follow
>>338492387i barely draw fallout anymore tho
>>338470986
what's with the shoulder hooks
can I hang my jacket there
The Legion could have been a valuable option in a post-apocalyptic world. Too bad New Vegas is post-post-apocalyptic one.
And you don't even see even one of their "safe cities". I feel like Obsidian was too pussy to show slavers in any good light, even if they wanted to.
The other problem of the Legion is - they dislike technology. This is the opposite of the real Rome - the most advanced and modern civilization of it's time. They are fucking stupid tribals not even trying to imitate Rome.
>>338492558
i think your art's cute tho, gimme something to follow at least
>>338492890
just look out for when i shitpost in ballout threads
>>338492882
Your feelings are retarded. They didnt show off more legion because of time constraints.
Also yes Caesar isnt trying to imitate Rome. Why the fuck would he?
>>338492882
1 thing that confused me was that they forbade using "modern medicine" yet fucking ceasar has a auto-doc in his tent. I know its explained that its accepted, but really?
>>338492332
>>338492332
Because why would I choose a fucking faction with no companions, no quests and in the process making every NPC hostile in the Mojave.
I'm not talking about morality here, but about gameplay balance. The only way you can play Legion is for the epic,edgy lolz - pretty boring Bethesda style shit.
>>338492882
>not even trying to imitate Rome.
Yes, exactly. I don't understand people's problems with this. Romanboos? He's just using aspects of Rome to create a nice cult-like tribe that he can more easily control.
>>338492882
The Legion's biggest fault was cut content.
There's no good faction for stealth based, non-snipers characters
>>338492331
You stopped reading at the end? Incredible
>>338493098
>>338493225
I want a Legion with a promise of some sort of civilization - they do the bad stuff now, so they can have something big and nice in the future - like every civilization in the history of mankind.
Not just some boring tribal raiders roleplaying.
>>338493029
thats a shame, i rarely come into f04 threads as it is
>>338493148
He also uses a super advanced type of power fist, despite being against modern technologies?
>>338492882
Legion shuns advanced technology because it cannot be reproduced, instead they use replacements and workarounds they can make, and thus can never run out.
Reliance on resources that may simply run out could be fatal for a nation.
>>338487020
>he thinks ancient world was misogynistic
>"I KNOW HOW ANCIENT ROME WORKS"
the only thing that made nv playable was the mod community. the only thing that can save 4 is the moding community. Bethesda put out a great engine. to bad play station will never allow nudity. fuck you play station.
>>338455127
Yeah because having a contractor slashing your development time with 25% sure makes it easy for them to create a bugfree product. Seriously if you have a development plan over 2 years and after 1 year find out that they removed 6 months, do you have any idea how fucking insane that is?
>>338493792
shhh shhh don't ruin his dreams
>>338493948
>the only thing that can save 4 is the moding community.
Modders can't fix voice-acted quests.
And forget about the sex mods; nothing will even come close to Skyrim's level for years and years.
>>338493651
i only post in NV threads
fuck fo4
>>338493764
I know that, but they need to use what they have now.
Guy running with a machete towards another guy with an energy weapon or a flamer is just silly.
>>338493948
>Bethesda put out a great engine
I took a step back from FO games because besides NV, wich is the best of the FPS games (And even then, NV has problems with the gunplay, and that's like the entirety of the gameplay) none of them are really good games
FO1 was fun but archaic, still it is the first game in the series and i had fun with it
FO2 had a lot of cut corners, and even playing with the restoration patch it is a really easy game unless you ignore sidequests
FO3 has a retarded story that contradicts itself and this is when the FO games started to get "goofy", like the game started to rely on crazy things happening for no reason that had nothing to do with what was FO about
FO:NV is a great game but i wish it played at least like HL1 or CS1.6, i allways have problems with the gunplay in this game, and this has only happened to me in this game for some reason, it feels really clunky
FO4 is a terrible, terrible game, considering it is supposed to be an RPG, i think it may be one of the most railroaded games i've ever seen in my life because there is no alternate way to play FO4
Wich makes me wonder what is it about FO that attracts people so much to this day
>>338490289
>>338491439
>>338491604
Back to >>>/vg/, autismals.
>>338493760
they're not against it
Ceasar wants them to be self sufficient. to be strong enough without depending on tools. only the higher ranks get better armor and weapons because they deserved it
>>338493098
>time constraints meme again
If the really wanted to show the Legion in a good light, they could have done it with a DLC.
>>338494357
Gtfo of /v/
>>338493098
The fact that the legion has ancient Rome symbolism all over the place and their leader is literally called Caesar?
>>338492028
>all of Fallout 4 is the wacky reenactment of "The Yes Man"
why did it have to go so wrong
>>338494357
>this salty over ???
>>338444872
Because it's a terrible fucking game, written by edgy retards
>>338494660
First tell me about the pointless shit no one cares about that you do in New Vegas.
>>338494558
Pretty sure their DLCs were planned ahead of time too. Also anything youd do in Arizona couldnt affect vanilla game so why bother making a dlc for the legion.
>>338494681
He is just using roman symbolism and style for his own ends. He could give two shits what the romans actually did in their time.
>>338480573
If Bethesda keeps spitting out shit then yeah, the series should be put to rest.
>>338495216
>being this new
>>338492172
no it isn't
that's his whole quest
muh vegas
>>338495629
Please. I'm so interested in what your favorite edibles in a roleplaying game are.
>>338494232
That's actually very pragmatic approach.
Recuits are cheap and there's virtually never ending resource of them, so they are given what's always avaliable: knifes, spears, machetes. There's little loss if they die, there's enough replacements, both for men and their equipment.
Those who live long enough aganist such odds prove they are worth trusting them with better weapons. Giving quality equippment to battle-hardened soldiers minimizes chance of such equippment to go to waste. And Opposite way: that this battle-hardened soldier will be even harder to kill
>>338495693
>Please, Don't have fun and talk about video games on a video game board
>>338449359
And?
>>338495795
I wouldn't consider talking about what pointless miscellaneous items you always carry on you to be video game discussion.
>>338495934
>Pointless miscellaneous items in a video game
>Not video game discussion
The quality of the discussion doesn't matter, but its discussion regardless. Fuck off.But this is bait isn't it
>>338495693
I shouldn't do this but here we go. The pics are entirely out of context. It's people being asked to make a pic out of a template to let others know what they're roleplaying. Keeping in mind it's a fucking roleplaying videogame and we're on a fucking vidya board you should know this.
>>338496065
It's about as video game related as discussing which video game character you most enjoy jerking off to.
>>338496147
>"This doesn't fit into what I like discussing!"
>"That mean's it shouldn't happen!"
>>338496239
Your taste isn't video game related.
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