What went wrong?
exactly the same things as secret rings.
>Black
I kinda wish they did another storybook series but with good gameplay, I like the setting and story of Black Knight and Rings
>>338390910
It's a sequel to one of the worst Sonic games ever invented.
I find it hard to believe at this point that Shadow the Hedgehog is even in the bottom 5 Sonic games anymore.
Sega. It's amazing how this company has the talent to consistently make terrible decisions
Movement sucked just like Secret rings and we would have been better off getting a game where the levels played as if they were just expansive chunks of overworld with SA2 gameplay, only with the spinach replaced with sword slashing
>>338390910
Fuck you
This was a good game
>>338390910
I played it like at 13 or something, it wasn't that horrible for the teenager me and the soundtrack still lingers in my head.
>>338391430
Thats a good idea, lets re-list the 5 worst sonic games
Id go
>Chronicles
>06
>Secret Rings
>Shadow
>Sonic 4 part 1
>>338391757
Boom on the Wii U pushes either Shadow or Sonic 4 out, I'd say
Everything was great except for the gameplay.
>>338390910
It was another "sonic does (gimmick)" game
>>338391757
Secret rings and shadow weren't too awful though. They had some redeeming qualities, which is better than the zero that Boom, 4, and Chronicles had. Hell even 06 had some good come out if it.
I'd personally rank Heroes below Shadow, in all honesty. Heroes gets repetitive very quickly, since you need to play through each stage 4 times. There are but 4 great tracks in the game, and the gameplay leaves much to be desired.
>>338391757
I'd say
>Sonic BOOM
>Sonic Secret Rings
>Sonic Chronicles
>Sonic 06
>Sonic 4 part 1
>>338391757
was chronicles really that bad aside from the horrible soundtrack?
also does your list go from top to bottom or reverse?
>>338392186
Secret Rings is fucking terrible
>>338391757
>Chronicles
>Sonic 1 GBA
>Sonic Blast
>Sonic Labyrinth
>Sonic BOOM
>>338392570
Yeah but the music, apart from Dino Jungle, is top notch. The gameplay isn't the best, but for a spin-off I don't expect the same gameplay as main games
>>338391757
>Chronicles
>06
>Sonic Boom
>3d blast
>Shadow
>>338392186
nothing good came of 06. it was rushed for a unrealistic deadline and is garbage because of it and sega continues to do this.
>>338392501
it was made by a handful of bioware staff who got shut down during development and had never worked with a DS
non of the combat mechanics work correctly
It was a Wii game that looked and played like shovelware, therefore it wasn't distinguishable from anything else on that console.
>>338390910
Do you think they'll make a new one of this but for Vive?
>>338392501
obligatory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmtQ0cn_OSs
>>338392901
>nothing good came of 06. it was rushed for a unrealistic deadline and is garbage because of it and sega continues to do this.
I've never played 06 because I dislike sonic overall, but I've seem at least two full playthroughs on youtube (yeah, it was let's plays, bite me) but was it really that bad?
I think people just like to meme shit up and keep screaming WWOOOWW THIS IS SHIT AM I RIGHT GUYS SO BAD. It had a ton of content and story for the storyfags. It tried to come up with some puzzles involving different characters and stuff.
>>338392901
>nothing good came of 06
The soundtrack, Silver, and the best characterization Shadow ever had and will ever get beg to differ.
>>338393241
The biggest problem with Sonic 06 is it's controls, physics, pretty much anything involved with controlling the game. So you wouldnt notice it through a Let's Play.
The guy Let's Play-ing it probably practiced and learned where all the problem spots were.
>>338393241
>but was it really that bad
Yes
>It had a ton of content and story for the storyfags
All of which was shit, not even the most devoted Sonic fans are happy with the story.
>>338393376
>Silver
That's completely up for debate, as we've yet to have one mainline game where Silver was actually fun to play as.
>>338392901
>nothing good came of 06
Blaze
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww8WJYNpViQ
>>338393241
If your best argument is "it had story (which was garbage)" and "there's puzzles involving different characters", I think it's pretty obvious it's mediocre at best.
I have the game. It's crap. Everyone hated it even before let's players started shitting on it.
>>338391757
Sonic Boom
>people really enjoyed the gameplay in Generations
>let's make the next game a shitty beat-em-up with retarded character design!
>and let's get some literally who developer who hasn't made a thing worth noting to make it!
>and let's rush the development so it can be out by Christmas!
>people hated it?
>LET'S MAKE A FUCKING SEQUEL
>>338393241
>>338393376
You folks should get on The Ride when its back in town.
>>338391757
>Boom
>4
>Chronicles
>Free Riders
>06
>>338393606
Reminder:
Sonic Team didn't make Boom
The Boom sequel is on 3DS
Apparently the 3DS Boom isnt atrocious, it's just boring.
Boom on WiiU is also supposedly released just so they can get out of the 3-game contract.
>>338390910
That the series never got the planned 3rd or 4th installments.
At least Boom has a good Tv show.
And Eggman is the best he has ever been.
>Boss is the easiest enemy and dies in 10 sec or less
>Returns as an optional boss and is suddenly overpowered and harder than the final bossLancelot........Returns
>>338393973
This looks retarded
Should I play this game?
KNIGHT OF THE WIND
>>338393973
Fucking hell, Lancelot looks even more edgy than Shadow
>>338394017
If you find it cheap then yeah it is worth a look out.
>>338394017
If you can, try and emulate it. The game is more bearable when you can set the waggle controls to a button.
It didn't have a "scapegoat game" like Secret Rings did with Sonic 06.
Secret Rings was horrible, but it got a pass at launch simply because it was less embarrassing in comparison to Sonic 06, since it released close enough that the wounds were still fresh.
>>338394184
>Paying for wii gamesI only did that for good games which I assume this is not
>>338394286
So I can play this with a controller on Dolphin? It doesnt require good wagglan like Skyward Sword?
>>338393873
The TV show is the best thing to come out of this whole thing
>>338391757
Really?
I'd go
>Heroes
>Crackers
>Boom
>Black Knight
>Secret Rings
With the first four being pretty bad and Secret Rings being by far worst, I don't know how people can say 06 is worse than that. 06 is bad but Sonic games need a unique grading curve.
>>338394516
>It doesnt require good wagglan like Skyward Sword?
Nah, the game came out a while before that peripheral was released.
>>338393738
Didnt they put 30 million into boom and also made very high quality protoypes?
Anyways Sonic boom was fucked the moment Sega decided it has to be done in CryEngine, literally every game using CryEngine on any console turned out absolutely horrible accros the board.
>>338390910
It's literally 2 hours long
>>338394647
WM+ isnt required for "good wagglan"
I mean there's like no IR-pointer like Mario Galaxy, or tilting sideways like Mario Galaxy again?
>>338393795
What would the 3rd and 4th games even be about?
>>338393241
Literally this.
Sonic 06 is a meme. It's not good, but it's leagues above Secret Rings and Black Knight, which seem like better meme canidites anyway.
>>338394607
>Crackers
I'd say its unfair to add an unreleased game
>>338394607
>Crackers
Crackers didn't even reach past beta development you dope.
>>338393582
Blaze came out of Sonic Rush. 06 Just rebooted her to be from the future instead of an alternate dimension.
They gave Sonic the hedgehog a sword
>>338394607
>Crackers
Correct me if I'm wrong but that game wasn't even released, right?
>>338394859
>>338394862
Fuck, I meant the Dreamcast Mario party one, Shuffle.
>>338390910
The fact you had to replay every mission several times to get more followers for better ranks and perks.
>>338394782
I don't believe so. It's been years since I've touched the game, but I don't think there was anything more involved than shaking the wiimote side to side or up and down.
>>338395053
Thanks, definitely sounds like DKCR syndrome where it's better off remapping the waggles to a button
>>338394850
The thing about Sonic 06 is people played it expecting a good game, so it's more popular to hate
People didnt play these Wii games and if they did, they were probably expecting it to be bad in the first place.
While on the subject, does Sonic Colors play fine with a controller? I never played it
>>338393738
That doesn't excuse them from the horrible mess of a game they published
>>338394850
Talk shit on Secret Rings all you want but Black Knight is a fucking GEM. The soundtrack is without flaw (IIRC they let Jun Senuoe or whatever have basically free reign). The story isn't particularly cringey, but it's not absent like most modern Sonic Games. Sonic's characterization reached its peak here. The gameplay wasn't terrible (I'd venture so far as to say that it was good, but it had a lot if missed potential) and it wasn't nearly as unpolished as 06.
>>338395269
>While on the subject, does Sonic Colors play fine with a controller?
Definitely. Even when it released it was compatible with Gamecube controllers.
>>338395308
I'm not even remotely trying to excuse it
I'm trying to explain why you hear people shitting on Sonic 06 more than the Wii games
>>338395308
Sonic Team aren't publishers, though. If anything, the most involvement they had with Boom was making the developers dial back on some of the redesigns they had created for Sonic.
>>338395780
>Even when it released it was compatible with Gamecube controllers
You're shitting me. You mean I could have plugged a gamecube controller in and used it on my Wii?
>>338396317
Yes
>>338390910
You posted it in /vp/ and not /v/
>>>/vp/26421994
>>338395340
>but it's not absent like most modern Sonic Games
Do people really consider this a flaw of modern Sonic games?
IMO Black Knight isn't AS bad as some of the other Sonic games. The soundtrack is pretty good, and the graphics are alright (but don't get me wrong, having a seizure with the Wii remote to win is stupid.)
Worst 5 Sonic games in no particular order (HARD MODE: No '06):
>Sonic Boom
>Sonic 4 ep 1
>Sonic Chronicles
>Sonic Lost World
>Sonic Unleashed
>>338396356
Fucking hell. What button is slashing bound to?
>>338397212
Colours, not BK.
>>338396592
Story is like icing on a cake. You can have just cake, but without icing it has to be superb to compare to cake with icing. More often than not, the cake is not good enough to do that.
>>338397332
Shit I'm an idiot
I feel as if Secret Rings and Black Knight had some of the best songs in the series.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxTEcM7VSlM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9W8nrAuWlY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zu9WqICk40Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcnlWTxPP_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNsGT2Pjug8
>>338397757
>No No Way Through
>No Unawakening Float
>No High and Broken
>No Blue On The Run
>No It Has Come To This
>No Misty Lake
>No Faraway Avalon
>No Shrouded Forest
>No Fight The Knight
>No Deep Woods
>No Titanic Plain
You included The Palace That Was Found though, so I have to cut you some slack for good taste.
>>338397487
In Sonic's case, I think I'd rather have no icing than the stale, past-expired icing Sonic cakes usually provide.
Jesus, I can't believe I typed a sentence like that. No wonder food analogies are so stupid.
HEY ALL
>>338393025
Good cutscene art at least.
>>338398962
It's not a question how stale the icing is, it's a matter of how much you put on. Too much icing overpowers the cake, and too little icing exposes the true nature of the cake underneath, be it good or, in the case of most recent sonic games, bad.
>>338398965
WELCOME TO THE GREATEST STORMI actually liked this game. The only things I thought were bad was playing as Knuckles and how short it was.
>>338399514
Your point would be a lot clearer if you didn't insist on using icing and cake to help demonstrate your argument.
>>338399514
When will people realize that good analogies don't get the point across all that well when talking video games.
>>338399952
>>338400131
The point is that story is almost always a good thing when it's used in the right amount. Too much story detracts from the gameplay, and too little gameplay shows just how good the gameplay stands alone. In some cases, the gameplay stands alone just fine. In other cases, however (Sticker Star, Lost World, etc) all it does is show just how bad the game underneath really is.
At least the game introduced the best girland best villain.
>>338400614
So games with bad gameplay should feature a larger amount of story (no matter if it's badly written or not) just to distract players from how bad the game really is?
>>338392901
>chest is fluffy
>arms and face are totally smooth>Sonic shaves his arms
>>338395340
>>338395340
I'll have to agree with you at leastBlack Knight had arguably the best modern Sonic Soundtrack
>>338401124
Would you rather the game just give you shitty gameplay on its own?
>>338392501
it caused the start of the Penders nuke
