ITT: We debunk common misconceptions about vidya
Pic related, Doom WASN'T 3D.
Duke Nukem 3D wasn't 3D
>>338377420
Your mom was never thin.
Wolfenstein 3D wasn't 3D
3D WASN'T 3D
Super mario 64 wasnt 64D
Doom WASN'T fast
>>338377420
It certainly was 3d, stop believing everything shitty videos say.
Look at the code, there is a z coordinated calculated and used.
Super Mario Bros wasn't super
>>338377526
That is mildly terrifying.
>>338377420
Futa and traps aren't gay
Quake 3D wasn't 2D
The last of us wasnt the last of them
Final Fantasy, in fact, did NOT start at VII.
3D brawlers being called hack n slash because they have guns and swords
>>338377420
Doom was 3d world with 2d sprites similar to runescape original.
Get rekt kid
>>338377420
Metriod was always shit even before the ninja team got to it. It wasn't interesting and the enemies sucked. All it contributed was map exploration and thats it.
>>338377420
Saying Doom isn't 3D is like saying purple isn't a color because it's a mixture of red and blue.
there is no such thing as 3D vidya
it is all an illusion
>>338379669
I dont believe it's shit but the "MUH STRONK FEMLAE LEAD" crowd that its the fanbase can go eat shit
>>338379316
I thought that for a long time, but it actually wasn't done like that at all. It really is basically just like StarFox, just done a lot better.
If it wasn't 3D then how come projectiles can fly over your head?
>>338377420
Mega Man doesn't actually look like you think he does. Can I have a clickbait title and make jewtube gold now?
>>338377420
>Doom WASN'T 3D.
in the same way super mario kart and pilotwings werent really
>>338380104
>spastic fan base
Agreed. But as usual, the ramblings of deluded idiots should be ignored by companies. Women are mostly attracted to online games if anything cause it feeds their attention needs. Had they're been a real female main character to anything u could never stop getting dialogue options to meaningless dribble. Point is fuck those guys/girls/gender mutants.
>>338380230
Illusion of depth.
>>338377420
Super Mario 3D World isn't 3D
>>338377495
>>338380043
This. 3D has been the same since the vertex graphics days except it just became more advanced. It's still all just a bunch of crisscrossing lines that form the illusion of 3D.
>>338377420
all 2D games are, in fact, 3D
>>338382586
>3D games then
>Literal spreadsheets with only two axes
>3D games now
>Actual locations with all three axes
checkmate
>>338377420
Plain lie. It was just using a different method to represent perspective because of the limitations of the time. People need to understand that if it looks "3d" then it is. computer graphics may have some strict definitions on what is or isn't 3d according to them, but computer graphics can suck my dick. Artist have been representing 3d space on flat surfaces for ages and I will tell you if you can plot out it's perspective, then it's 3d and that's the end of that.
All 2D games are really 3D, same all 3D games are 4D.
Otherwise you'll be watching still, non-moving images of the video game stuck in time.
>>338377420
3D games don't exist because pixels are 2D.
Checkmate, atheists!
>>338383859
3D refers to three dimensions of space, you uneducated clown. Only complete retards think time is the "fourth dimension".
>>338377420
You don't kill floors in killing floor.
>>338377542
>>338377495
>>338377420
except they all had three dimensions
>>338384449
But spacetime exists, you helmets helmet-wearing retard
>>338384449
>Go flat
>1D
>Go forward and backward
>2D
>Go up and down
>3D
>Go through time
>4D
Now shut up dumbass.
>>338379790
it isn't, faggot.
>>338384686
That went right above your head
>>338384715
I think he just means you don't call it 4D. Yeah it's a dimension but it doesn't mean X+Y+Z+SPESSTIME = 4D
Nobody says this
>>338384774
>Go flat
that is meaningless you megafaggot.
>go forward and backward
That's one dimension you gigantic dickwad. Forward and backward are along the same axis.
You're gay and everybody has now established this.
>>338384774
time is not a spatial dimension you fucking hillbilly.
>>338377420
>All these childish responses trying to claim Doom is 3D
Go to /vr/ if you want a mini-lesson on why Doom isnt 3D.
You can never be on an XY position but in 2 different spots.
>>338384449
>put object in position X,Y,Z of space
>check location X,Y,Z
>object is there
>remove object from there 5 minutes after
>check location X,Y,Z 15 minutes after
>it's not there
>time is not a dimension in space
??? ??? ???
>>338384819
it couldn't possibly because no 3d
>>338384916
He does say that it's one dimension sperglord
>>338384967
It's not. There's no debate to be had. Your example doesn't even make sense.
>we went straight to 2D, skipping 1D
>no 4D games in sight, let alone 5D
I will NEVER understand this shit.
>>338384967
So are you like a baby that thinks when something is removed from your view that it stops existing?
>>338385428
There is a 4D game comming out, but i cant remember the fucking name.
It didnt seem too great either
>>338385452
That's how it works in Doom (and most games) though.
>>338385291
>Your example doesn't even make sense.
I'm sorry you can't abstract yourself, science is not for everyone.
>>338385452
>stops existing
Unless you clone it, the object it's not in the original X,Y,Z anymore at that time, but somewhere else.
You also need the time coordinate to locate the object in that specific space.
>>338385773
>thinks time is a spatial dimension.
>tells others that science isn't for everyone
You're right. It's not.
your brain interprets it as 3d, that's all that matters.
>>338386032
>your brain interprets it as 3D
No, the game inerprets itself as 3D. It renders floors, walls, and ceilings
The game is 2D since no Z coordinate is ever used, and all the NPCs are sprites, but the game does render a 3D world.
>>338385428
how would a 1D game work.
>>338384916
Go up and down would also be 1D if you think forward and backwards was.
He was clearly adding dimensions each time.
Also flat for 1D isn't necessarily incorrect. 1D is flat in two dimensions whilst 2D is flat in one dimension.
>>338379316
"Runescape original"
The fuck? Did they do something to runescape? I haven't played it in years
>>338386210
the screen is 2d. your brain interprets it as 3d, that's all that matters.
>>338386360
>The game is 2D since no Z coordinate is ever used
blatantly wrong. A monster in a pit can't shoot you unless you're close to the ledge for example.
Likewise if the player is in a pit just deep enough that projectiles fired straight ahead would collide with the wall, they won't if the vertical autoaim makes the projectile target a monster at a high enough position.
>>338377420
No video game is 3d technically. It's the shader pipelines and all that creates the illusion of 3d but it's all on a 2d plane in the end because of your monitor/tv
Why are people upset by that video honestly? It was a faggot bait click title that mattpat likely made him put but it's interesting to see how id got around the technical limitations at the time. If it was titled "How Doom really works" and the joke where he says Mcarmack is a lying faggot was gone no one would be complaining.
>>338377420
Is this some sort of new meme started by he Game Theory guy?
>>338386915
what video are you talking about.
>>338387094
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb6Eo1D6VW8
>>338386210
Well a painting will be always flat but if it represents deepth the right way you cant say its not 3d.
>>338386210
>The game is 2D since no Z coordinate is ever used
I know they were called 2.5D back in the day, and also how in the original doom every sprite stretched from floor to ceiling, ie. you could not go over/under enemies for instance.
But they did have some sort of Z axis, right? monster sprite art could move up and down, and projectile trajectories also took it into account when there was some sort of height difference.
>>338386915
Because Doom has a reputation of being a groudbreaking fps game and trying to claim that one part of those legacies isn't accurate will get all its fanboys and faggots who pretend to like it because of its popularity up in arms
>>338387312
>projectile trajectories also took it into account when there was some sort of height difference.
i don't think they did. there was no aiming up/down. if you shot straight ahead you would hit someone no matter if they were "below" or "above".
i might be wrong.
Wolfenstein, DOOM and duke nukem were all 2D.
Yo ucan see this in the actual code, everything coded and how the computer interprets the data is done with x,y coordinated rather than x,y,z.
The game is read as a top down shooter, not as a 1st person, thats why in doo myou shoot infront of you and it hits enemies regardless of their appearing z coordinate.
Thats also why rooms are NEVER stacked ontop of one another, becuase then the x, y coordinated would be indentical.
The games technically are 2D but the way they are render using camera and ray tracing techniques + drawing textures gives the illusion of 3D.
>>338387661
>gives the illusion of 3D.
like all video games ever made.
DOOM WAS NOT RUNNING IN A 3D ENGINE
THAT'S WHY IT WAS NOT ACTUAL 3D
THANKS FOR LISTENING
>>338387312
Actually the term 2.5 is a new term that's retarded since you can't have half of a demension. People actually used the right term parallax scrolling
>he doesn't play doom with vertical aiming and crosshair
Srsly you dont know what you're missing, better than 99% of games nowadays
>>338387572
I think "entities" could move up and down, but two different couldn't share the same X,Y for some reason, until they added that feature in source ports.
The autoaim is what you're talking about, with it you could instahit shit above/below you when using hitscan weapons, but projectiles like rockets or plasma balls had to actually travel to reach their target, and you could clearly see them going up/down.
>>338377874
Who was it the last of?
>>338388581
>Actually the term 2.5 is a new term that's retarded
I recall people calling Doom and most doom-clones 2.5D back in the day, at least after they released Duke3D "first" "real 3D" game, on the reasoning you couldn't have rooms above rooms, and a few other differences. Even though you couldn't really look up/down in D3D either without the renderer going nuts and displaying everything distorted as fuck. It wasn't until Quake that you really couldn't look up and down properly, as far as I can remember.
So yeah, they sounded more like bullshit terms to describe stuff half-inaccurately employed mostly in developer/fanboy banter.
>>338386210
Except you literally move in 3D. Forwards and backwards, side to side and up and down.
>>338387661
How are those textures rendered if it is all programmed as if it is top down? How do raising platforms work? How does collision on walls work that actually have platforms "above" you that you can move around. How does the game know you are on the right "elevation" to be able to move around on those platforms and that you are not at a lower level, or know to drop you to that lower level if you run off the platform?
>>338388581
>you can't have half of a demension
ok "henry"
Nobody actually calls you in call of duty.
>>338388581
What if you look at rendering like a button press?
>>338388581
2.5D was used to refer to pseudo 3D graphics. Like Parallax Scrolling and Mode 7.
The modern 2.5D refers to games with 3D graphics but 2D gameplay. They are not parallax scrolling.
>>338387661
how do you explain projectiles colliding with platforms if there's no z coordinates in the game logic :^)
>>338389510
Wolfenstein 3D
