>approximately 200 years after the Great War
>people still talk about it as if though it happened yesterday
So... the War of 1812, amirite guys?
>>338302853
If the war of 1812 was the apocalypse I'm pretty sure we'd still be talking about it too.
>>338302992
We wouldn't really, we would acknowledge it as something very important that happened in the past, but that's it. For example ask a 'murrican about their history, and they will talk about settlers and war of independence and all that shit, but that's not what they normally talk about in everyday discussions.
>>338302853
There's people still alive from close to that time.
I wouldn't stop talking about it if I were them.
>>338303459
That's because it pales to the fucking apocalypse, retard.
>Approximately 200 years after The Great War
>can food, nuka cola, acohol, and cigarettes are still consumable and very easily attainable
>>338302992
A whole whopping 200 years without anything of significance occurring to top the last significant event? Holy shit.
That's unprecedented for human history.
>>338305901
Well any future conflict that isn't catastrophic is going to seem manageable compared to something that wiped out the majority of the planet's population and left behind radiation and living conditions that remain to the present day. I think they handled it well in NV with the whole battle for Hoover Dam being the hot topic.
>>338304376
i guess. it's not like WWII vets won't bring up the war if you have an hours-on-end conversation with them
Honestly Obsidian shitposters and fanatics have nothing to gain. They refuse to do anything substantial to "get their series back" besides ostracize Bethesda fans, as if that does anything. They are defeatists who refuse to partake in petitions or boycotts of Bethesda, or even write in to them or raid their twitters.
Meanwhile Bethesda fans shower them with love and praise for 4.
If the series is """dead""" it's the Obsidian fans' own complacency to voice their criticisms to the actuall DEVS that did it.
So don't bitch about the lore or 'sense'. You dug this grave. Now get in it.
>>338306783
nobody mentioned Obsidian
nobody mentioned Bethesda
The War of 1812 didn't destroy society as we know it, nor did it change the very face of planet Earth. Shit example, shit thread.
And for the record, World War II didn't cause destruction on that scale either, yet nobody can shut the fuck up about it to this day. Even by your own retarded logic, you're still wrong.
Sage, and might I reccomend that you consider suicide.
>>338305125
It would pale to a real apocalypse, not one you already recovered from.
>>338302853
I'm a pretty big Fallout 4 apologist, but this bugged me. You'd think that with the complete collapse of civilization and a vast majority of the population being reduced to illiterate savages that people's view of the Great War and the pre-war world would've taken a much more mythological lean. Instead, it seems like everyone can read about the history on Wikipedia or some shit and most pre-war things seem perfectly mundane. A few little touches in the writing to make the pre-apocalypse actually seem like a totally separate age would've done a lot to improve the immersion of the world.
Yeah but it was the war to end all wars. Closest we have is WWII and we still love talking about that and will for a good two hundred years.
>>338307165
>World War II was not even 80 years ago
>veterans are still alive to this day to perpetuate discussion
>still very much so apart of our zeitgeist because of the events which spiraled afterwards
>mainstream media around to make the last Great War (WWII) stay apart of the public's consciousness
>the war didn't kill off 99.99% of the human population
>did I fucking say it was not even 80 years ago?
That doesn't go against my "retarded logic" at all. Please kill yourself.
>>338307546
We still talk about even the Revolutionary War to this day.
There's a difference between reflecting back on history and treating it as if though it all happened yesterday. The point of this thread is arguing about the latter.
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>>338302992
Bombs dropped 2077
>>338308171
reading comp skills of a 2nd grader
>>338308305
I assumed this was a Fauulit shitpost thread
>>338308042
Did they really treat it like it happened yesterday? I sold my copy and thankfully, remember very little of the game.
>>338303459
talk to a jew, they never shut up about the holocaust
>>338308580
pretty much the same as Fallout 3 and to a much lesser extent New Vegas
I imagine it'd come to mind quite often when you have to stay away from huge tracts of land due to radiation, your food and water possibly being contaminated at all times, have radiation monsters walking around and attacking you, and essentially basing your new civilizations out of the bombed out ruins of what was there before. The bombings in Fallout have far more relevance to day to day life for people in the wasteland than any recent conventional war has had on ours.
>>338309303
>The bombings in Fallout have far more relevance to day to day life for people in the wasteland
If it's so relevant to them and they've become so accustomed to it, it would end up being business as usual when they stumble across some new ruins or encounter some irradiated monsters. They'd no longer consciously think "oh shit all of this is because of dat war". You similarly take a bunch of shit for granted.
>>338302853
2000 years later people from around the world celebrate easter and christmas every single year, they go to church at least every week to hear about shit that supposedly happened milleniums ago.
>>338302853
The war of 1812 wasnt as significant as the great war. We would probably talk about a nuclear war the same way we talk about Jesus Christ.
>>338309929
Probably, but when you're constantly getting your shit pushed in by super mutants/deathclaws/whatever the fuck else and ask "Golly, what the fuck is the deal with these things?" you're going to keep coming back to events that happened a couple hundred years prior, among many of the other problems you face regularly, as well as explaining shit like Geiger counters and other technological remnants you use that no one in your time developed. If they were all tribals that had no idea about any of this stuff and it was the only thing they ever knew then it'd be business as usual, but people in the areas we see in the games are descendants of vault dwellers and other survivors that have passed on the knowledge that things have only been like this for a short time.
>>338302853
this is actually the most retarded post of all time.
I am almost speechless.
>>338310986
Explain, so your equally retarded rebuttals see the light of day.
Please, go on ahead. I mean, you enter a thread without reading it, blindly state your opinion like a retard, so there must be something more you'd like to add.
>>338311554
all that strawman holy shit.
>>338312280
Do you know what a strawman is? No, because that's a fallacy where I misrepresent an argument, and you presented no argument, underage.
So please, feel free to refute the OP.
>>338312421
comparing a random political war to a war that effectively ended civilization is a shit analogy.
thinking that the amount of time that has passed is enough to devalue a war's significance in and of itself.
"we have to be sure another apocalypse doesnt happen"
>"ugh, shut up about the apocalypse already, yeah yeah the world ended and the ruins we live in are a constant reminder of the world that was, but shut up. Now im going to go kill some irradiated and mutated humans from that very time who are now shambling zombies. Good thing i already killed a giant fucking mutated lizard so i wont have to do that today. Before i go im gonna eat some grilled dog meat, since thats all i have for the next few days"
>>338302992
Our national anthem describes a battle during that war.
That's something.
>>338302853
>approximately 2000 years after Jesus
>people still talk about him as if he's still alive
Not that farfetched fahm
>>338303459
That only works if the people have a real point of reference. If the only life you've even known is in the post-apocalypse, you may not really appreciate how big of a change the apocalypse really was.
>>338302853
>War of 1812
>fairly small war, only around 25,000 casualties on both sides
>Great War
>death toll in billions, almost total collapse of civilization, ecosystem irreversibly altered on continental, probably even global scale
Yeah OP, no idea why they'd still talk about it 200 years later.
>>338302853
People still do that about the Revolution.
Do Japan still talk aboot Hiroshima like it was yesterday because of rads? And if so, would it be dick move to Hagle someone for buy cat with bottle caps?
>>338313601
Try again
>>338316934
Revolutionary War?
>>338318389
There you go.
>200 years later blax still talk about muh slavery
>3000 years later they are claiming that they were kings and shit
I mean, there's precedence at least
>>338302992
Glad this is the first reply. OP is retarded.
>>338302853
>"Why are people still talking about the war 200 years ago that FUCKING RUINED the entire world and changed life and humanity as we know it?"
Nigga are you serious?!
>>338302992
Nobody talked about the black plauge for 200 years straight.
>>338305808
Stop playing games without claiming of any realism.
>>338302992
FPBP
>>338302992
/thread, OP is a faggot
>>338302992
this
OP you're pretty dumb aren't you?
Let me put this in a way you can understand. WWII was a pretty big thing, not the end of the world but a big ass war. We still talk about it pretty damn often as a society and it ended 71 years ago. Now imagine a war so damn massive that everything changed, you have fucking mutants and zombie dudes walking around, you all live in shantytowns, and oh yeah its all because that war 200 years ago.
>>338302992
>>338303301
>>338303474
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>>338305035
>>338310986
>>338313712
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>>338320869
Yes, because significant societal upheaval has NEVER occurred in the course of human history.
Are you trying to tell me people were still referring to the Great Plague as though it occurred yesterday (which is what the OP originally was arguing against) 200 years later during the second Industrial Revolution? No they fucking were not. OP is considering the fact that a 200 years is MORE than enough time to embrace circumstances and NOT be consumed in petty bullshit like "dat War dun fucked us up good".
/v/ has the collective critical thinking skills of an 8th grader, and an even worse circle-jerk mentality. End all of yourselves.
>>338321639
>OP is THIS mad someone called him out for being a fucking moron
Holy shit dude
>>338321639
mad as hell OP
>>338321639
>this butthurt
haha
anyway, people started coming out of the vault pretty lately you retard
>>338321781
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>>338321846
>u mad bro?
Refute the post.
>>338321781
>>338321845
>>338321846
>hehe opee mad
>>338321913
>anyway, people started coming out of the vault pretty lately you retard
kill yourself
>>338321913
>>338321986
>assblasted
>>338321913
We aren't still affected by the reprecussions of the Great Plauge on a daily basis.
The Great Plauge didn't turn Earth into a barren hellscape.
Stay mad OP
>>338322326
Fair enough. Essentially what I want to know is when the "Great War" scapegoat becomes overplayed by those living in a post-apocalyptic world their entire lives.
>>338321989
Those vault dwellers come out in droves, don't they?
>>338321639
>comparing the Great Plague to a fucking WORLDWIDE APOCALYPSE THAT KILLED/MUTATED EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE OUTSIDE OF THE VAULTS
Again, you are fucking retarded. Holy shit just delete this thread and save yourself more embarassment.
>>338321639
>>338321913
For one, you have those still alive from the War. They aren't even proportionally rare all things considered.
Two, you have the Vault Dwellers, who literally experience the new world as though shit happened yesterday. Their numbers are very slim compared to the remnant ghouls of the pre-War, but they're still around.
Then you have pre-War tech which has been fully integrated into post-War society. How that correlates to the War itself depends on the context.
And finally, the War isn't referenced as much as you think it is. Almost all NPC mentions of the War are extremely off-handed remarks, and the rest is occupied by the pre-War ghouls. I think the 3D Fallout games have only had two or three isolated instances where the War was referenced in-depth.
>>338322932
>REDDIT CAPITALIZATION FOR EMPHASIS AND SUBTLE RAGE
talk about embarassment
>>338323341
>reddit capitalization
what the fuck
>>338312421
Not the anon you replied to, but
>being this passive aggressive for no reason
He's right, though, and you know it.
>over two hundred years since a bunch of freemason and deist liberals unlawfully rebelled against the crown
>people still talk about them as if they'd have informed opinions about cybersecurity and corporate personhood
So... the Founding Fathers, amirite guys?
>>338302853
>200 years
>there is still useful shit lying around in buildings
>>338302853
??? Not that many NPCs actually blabber on about the great war. Most usually talk about more recent events like the enclave fucking up or the Master and his super mutant army.
>>338325623
>events like the enclave fucking shit* up
fixed
