Is Hearthstone p2w?
>>338301601
its a TCG what the fuck do you think
>>338301763
You can't even trade
>>338301763
fine its a collectable card game, you know what i meant you little shit
>>338301601
>card game
You can grind for stuff once you have a decent collection easily, but getting there without paying is a nightmare.
I haven't spent money since BRM, and currently have a full collection. Just grind arena for packs and save gold for adventures
Yes.
Its pay2nothavetoplaysincethebetaforacollection
>>338301601
play to win
>>338301601
At this point they're not even trying to hide it anymore.
>>338301601
You can make decent Aggro decks with a low amount of dust, classes that aren't Paladin (who pretty much always run Tirion) use mostly Commons and Rares.
Nah, it's pay2rng
>>338307274
So is there any reason whatsoever to put two of these into your deck, rather than a 10 mana, 12/12 deathwing and a 10 mana, 10/10 Y'shar?
You can play and even grind to a high rank with some cheap gay aggro deck but if you want to actually have fun and mess around with making your own decks you have to pay
>>338307274
Both cards are shit so who cares.
>>338307274
Eh, big lump of stats as common card is pretty cool. Back in my time when I was just starting I had to put in Core Hound.
>>338301601
not pay to win. just tedious to get into without paying.
yes
but RNG matters more than how much you pay
>>338305681
hehe
yeah
Does paying money unlock content that you cant get though grinding?
I'm a mtg player, but you can have a lot more fun with HS for free than you can have for MTG.
>>338307274
I have deathwing it's a shit card
Is there a bigger joke than competitive Hearthstone? At least competitive Poker is fair and has a history to it.
>>338313793
>Is there a bigger joke than competitive video games?
fixed
>>338312475
>>338313678
It's not that bad. It just doesn't fit in the ladder meta with all the zoo shit.
>>338314235
There is some meeit to competitive vidya
But it aint to be found in a game where 80% of the winning criteria is drawing cards
>>338301601
It's not p2w, it's pay to unlock faster
>>338301601
not inherently
but if you treat it as a ~$30 game it's fine
>>338301601
no
they give you enough free shit to survive if you're good
game eats the money of people who suck at it
>>338316272
It's only 80% if you don't know how to play
>>338316831
There is no debating that if your hand is shit you lose, you got damn apologist
>>338301601
Yes, ALL trading card games are P2W, except the ones where you get all the cards for free when you first start, but those aren't fun.
>>338316331
paying to unlock faster is p2w
>>338316489
30$ is like 1 adventure, that is nothing these days.
>>338317271
Of course, it's a card game you moron, what do you expect?
Your hand is just not shit 80% of the time. And a good deck is far more important than drawluck
>>338316331
if the "faster" is the difference between a year of playing under shitty conditions then I think its safe to call it p2w
>>338317275
>ALL trading card games are P2W, except the ones where you get all the cards for free
>ALL trading card games are P2W, except the ones where you get all the cards for free
>ALL trading card games are P2W, except the ones where you get all the cards for free
>*trading* card games
>ones where you get all the cards for free
how.
>>338317729
And I'm saying that a game based purely on RNG effects piled upon RNG effects has no place in a competitive scene
the only reason it is is because blizzard has the money to make people play absolute garbage
>>338317815
Like there is that online Yugioh website, where you get to pick from all the cards to build your deck,
There is also a MtG website that works the same way.
you pick from ALL of the cards to build your deck, then can play online with it against others.
If you're going to say Yugioh and MtG AREN'T trading card games, you're a dumb.
>>338301601
Pay to grind easier, not pay to win
Pay to win would be options that are only accesible by paying. Aka if an amazing card could only be gained by paying with real cash.
>>338318017
but when you play them through those websites they aren't a trading card game.
>>338317993
>And I'm saying that a game based purely on RNG effects piled upon RNG effects has no place in a competitive scene
You want a skill based game? Play chess
Esports is a complete joke, might as well just enjoy it for what it is. Don't think your elitism is in any way justified.
>the only reason it is is because blizzard has the money to make people play absolute garbage
That's not how it works. People play it because it's the only decent online card game that doesn't require autism.
with standard it's honestly pretty easy to make a competitive deck since the card pool is much smaller now
and if you're desperate you could always just run zoo, face warrior and face shaman
aggro decks are cheap
>>338318393
no they play it because there's big prize pools at all the tourneys
>>338313670
The only purely paid content is those three alternate hero skins. Everything else can be attained with gold and dust.
>>338318692
You got the egg and the hen confused. Tournament money (and tournaments in general) exist because the game was so fucking popular, streaming it was a huge success. So the usual sponsors noticed that getting involved in HS brings in the viewers, and thus you had tournament and money.
>ITT: people with ZERO knowledge of probability and statistics
>>338317993
The only thing necessary for a competitive scene is an audience and money. What you feel is "competitive" doesn't mean shit.
>>338318523
Midshammy an midhunter don't even run legos. Just a handful of epics.
>>338307274
Pulling shit onto the board misses you out on potentially valuable battlecires. Its also extremely vulnerable to hard board clear.
Also,
>common
>lego
>>338307274
>complaining about slow cards in a meta where rush still rules
Nice opinion, I'll hold it in high regard
How do I stop being so shit at arenas
I can only get to 3 wins then nosedive unless I somehow get an amazing mage deck.
>>338319628
understand that tempo is king in arena
>>338319628
Learn to draft. Use shit like HearthArena if you have to.
>>338319771
this
>>338301601
All trading card games are.
>>338319970
>Use shit like HearthArena if you have to.
i've done that and still end up with 0-2 wins
>>338320180
again
>>338319771
if youre really shitty just start a draft and pick the lowest mana minion every turn, should get you to around 4-5 and help you understand tempo just because running over someone is super easy in arena
>>338319628
Watch ADWCTA/Merps/GrinningGoat on Youtube/Twitch
>>338320528
>not hafu
nice sexism m8
>>338320590
I know you are meming, but I was just pointing him to one of the only channels I know that actually analyzes arena instead of just playing it
>>338320821
well she has the highscore on the 100 in 10 streamer leaderboards and she does talk about her plays
>>338320951
Yeah I get that, but she doesn't have a podcast dedicated to talking about Arena, That's mainly what I mean. Also ADWCTA and Merps were the original minds behind HearthArena and its tier list but I'm not gonna get into that
