"But letting go isn't the hard part - It's taking back everything while being over-encumbered."
What's the best DLC and why is it Dead Money?
Honest Hearts is better
>>338257023
>It's taking back everything while being over-encumbered."
Took me a lot of time but totally worth it.
Gameplay
OWB > Dead Money > Lonesome Road > Honest Hearts
Story:
Lonesome Road > Dead Money > OWB > Honest Hearts
HH really feels like the odd one out out of the DLCs, it doesnt fit into the whole story arc outside of 1 mention of Joshua by Ulysses in LR.
>>338257649
Hoarding stuff is probably what I enjoy most in NV.
>>338257979
>HH really feels like the odd one out out of the DLCs, it doesnt fit into the whole story arc
it's frequently mentioned in base game by multiple NPCs though, unlike Dead Money or OWB which are barely paid any attention at all
it also goes back to the tribal roots of FO2 nicely
YEAH! Who won the lottery? I DID!
>>338257417
Not surprised that a weeb faggot has shit taste
>>338257649
>all those bars haphazardly thrown about
at least it didn't have the shitty skyrim physics.
Dead Money was the only good NV dlc, it was amazing.
>>338257023
>and why is it Dead Money
Because it literally turned the game into a survival horror and I fucking loved it.
Also the background story is kinda touching.
>>338257649
>that hair
You have a pretty shit taste
>>338257023
that's impressive how this dlc can be so interesting and intriguing lore-wise; but also so shit when you play it.
>>338257023
Even Bethesda thinks dead money is the best
>>338257649
why do these dirty card boxes say "pure gold" on them?
>dlc where you spend the whole time looking for beep boop radios that kill you and avoiding fart clouds that also kill you
I've only played Honest Hearts so far, I like the first 10 minutes of it before all the fetch quests. I'm wishing someone would comment on my power armor, given none of the tribals, or even Daniel or Joshua have seen power armor.
I liked OWB the most
>>338257649
>not letting go
Fag
lol fuckin nerds
Jammed those shits into Elijah's corpse and dragged his decapitated head all the way back
>>338257023
Dead Money is probably the WORST DLC I've played out of any game, ever.
Story - boring as shit
Visuals - LITERALLY every building had the same outside textures so you couldn't tell where you were at
Items - THEY TAKE ALL YOUR SHIT. THAT'S THINGS YOU DON'T DO TO PLAYERS 101.
Rewards - dog shit. literally nothing worth having.
Honestly, I can understand why someone would not like DM. To me though, when I went through it the first time, I was playing on Hard/Hardcore while being mostly melee oriented. So having no weapons and constantly taking damage and having enemies everywhere made it into a shockingly fun survival horror game for a time. Also, I was going though some times emotionally (my dad was dying) so the characters actually resonated far more then others in the games.
To me it will always be the best DLC in game and one of the best storyline segments in an RPG I've ever played. To each their own I guess...
>>338261695
>pretty much the best story from all the DLCs (maybe on par with OWB)
>probably becouse you are in a Villa
>that was good for a change and made the DLC that much harder instead of one shotting everything with my Anti-Materiel Rifle
>gold bars, Holorifle (if not the best energy gun in game),I got hundreds of stimpacks from chips
>probably took the bait,but whatever
>>338257417
No, it's not.
Stop parotting this shit.
So I'm planning on doing my first dlc runs in this order
Honest Hearts > Dead Money > Lonesome Road > Old World Blues
>>338261695
Why is the story shit? Articulate. The companions, the villain, the casino and the circumstances surrounding it are all pretty fresh and well-written. How is it boring?
>>338262183
you'll stop at dead money because you will hate the game once you start it
DM should be last so you dont uninstall everything
>>338261984
>Holorifle (if not the best energy gun in game)
LAER has more dakka
LR is my favorite because I think it wraps up the game nicely story-wise and I had the most fun playing it the first time around.
but! DM is objectively the best.
>>338262292
I seriously doubt that, from what I'm reading the worst things about DM are taking your items (which isn't necessarily bad) and taking constant damage?
>>338262385
and being lost and bored the entire time
>>338262453
That's subjective to your experience and may not necessarily be mine.
>>338257979
>Story:
>Lonesome Road
Nah nigga. Lonesome Road was really fucking disappointing after all the build-up it got, and the resolution was dumb as fuck.
DM is fantasitc.
OWB is hands down the worst part of NV. It's like obsidian took mothership zeta as a challenge to create the worst dlc possible.
>>338262518
I disagree, get some taste senpai
>>338262453
that just means you are bad.
>>338262367
Yeah,I suppose you're right.Forgot about that
>>338262385
The guy is over-exaggerating, but the gameplay, especially in the first half. could be a hit or miss. More of a miss for me, personally.
>>338257417
The survivalist's side story is the only good thing about Honest Hearts
>>338262547
OWB had decent level design and good loot. Sure the story went overboard on the lolrandom comedy stuff, but it wasn't entirely terrible.
>>338257023
>fedora: the rpg
>>338262547
>OWB is hands down the worst part of NV. It's like obsidian took mothership zeta as a challenge to create the worst dlc possible.
For real. it's like they wanted a bit more humorous story but got carried away and went full retard.
OWB was just the cut content EPA from FO2
>>338262547
>OWB is hands down the worst part of NV. It's like obsidian took mothership zeta as a challenge to create the worst dlc possible.
OWB was the best part of New Vegas. It was like a love letter to every campy pulp sci-fi novel, comic, and movie ever made.
>>338262183
It should go Honest Hearts > Dead Money > Old World Blues > Lonesome Road. Lonesome Road is supposed to be the big finale.
I liked the twist in OWB where everything is actually on loop
>>338262820
but the gameplay is fucking horrendous
>>338262820
Why do lul-so-randumb DLC always get considered the best? Do Bethesda fans just have no taste?
>>338262540
not that guy, but it seems really fucking convoluted and stupid the first time through.
The repeat playthroughs make things a lot more clear. Ulysses is fucking falling apart and needs someone to blame for it, and it is you. half his dialogue is him talking to himself, trying to convince himself he's doing what's right and that you're every bit the monster he imagines you to be. it's a culmination of all the horrors he's gone through up until that point, all the way from the moment the legion showed up to deal with his tribe until you meet together in that final room. he's going through some heavy PTSD and is very disillusioned with the world around him, but wants everything to not be meaningless. He wants to have an impact.
Sadly for him, his time ended. The only impact he has now is mildly inconveniencing the courier as the courier goes to murder his ass at worst, exchanging some words that he often acknowledges as meaningless before he even speaks them at best.
he's your mirror. he's exactly like you, but the opposite of you. a friend i know on skype was playing through this recently because i kept hyping up how good the dlc was with him. we discussed the story in chunks as he played through it, me being careful not to spoil him and hearing what he thinks of the situation. He came away happy with it, even called it "one of my favorite RPG experiences ever."
to be fair, i think he enjoyed it partly because we were talking it, so he could bounce his ideas and theories off me. the first time you go through it you might be expecting some big reveal, but honestly you know exactly what's up the moment you hear his voice the first time. he's batshit crazy and SOMEHOW you need to just make him stop. walk the divide and find his holotapes and you can understand him a bit better, its getting past the idea of there being some big reveal that seems to fuck people the most in understanding it.
>>338262820
It also has little meaningful substance. I'm playing it right now and there's basically no incentive for you to do shit. The story is propelled solely by the humor so it feels like nothing is at stake. And when there's nothing at stake the gameplay turns into a drag.
Is honest hearts reborn mod any good?
Is there an analysis or essay on New Vegas' "Let Go" theme? Thanks in advance.
>>338263164
You are exactly right. People criticizing Uly for his pseudo intellectual philosophical garbage should know that is the point of Ulysses character.
He's fucking mad.
>>338261527
>taking a shitpost seriously
>>338263176
Getting your brain back isn't incentive enough for you?
>>338263402
Why would it be? There's no consequence for not getting it, I'm not inconvenienced in any way. Beyond them telling me I got no brain nothing has changed.
>>338263254
>read the "All Roads" prequel comic
>the theme of letting go is there too
Lads, I think Obsidian is telling us old Fallout is over.
>>338262943
I was going to do OWB last, or maybe not at all because I'm sure its the one I'm going to like the least.
>>338263521
Isn't Fallout's "Let Go" theme not about forgetting the past, but accepting it?
>>338263482
You can't leave the Big Empty without your brain. They explain this to you.
>Honest Hearts always regarded as the worst DLC
>not Lonesome Road
Explain
>complete dead money
>turn in Elijah's holotape to Veronica
>the perk she gets from it is broken
>>338263575
Yeah, it's about not obessing over the past when it's already finished with, and to move on.
>>338258889
>spend an hour gently setting stuff I collected down in my Skyrim home
>walk out to get some bread
>walk in again
>everything explodes and is thrown across the floor
>Fallout 4 has the exact same issue
Objective proof Bethesda games just keep getting worse.
>>338262742
(You)
Happy now?
>>338262367
LAER also breaks the moment you look at it
Ugly as sin, too
>>338263586
This is not how incentive works. I understand that I cannot leave until I get it, but you need to actually make the player give a fuck, otherwise it's just a chore, it's basically worthless.
>>338263619
Lonesome road had cool atmosphere, interesting level design, challenging combat and fun new weapons with a consistent overbearing drive that pushes you through the Divide in a compelling way. Some would say that Ulysses was a fantastic character too.
Whilst Honest Hearts had some really strong characters (Survivalist, Graham) and some neat lore on tribals, it was mostly very bland in terms of level design and atmosphere, and the story was not very compelling, with the narrative feeling like a sidequest and most of the quests within the story being mundane and tiresome.
>>338262183
Play them on release order.
DM > HH > OWB > LR
>>338263164
Nice explanation. I also thought the ending was a bit disappointing the first time. Kinda reminds me of how Kreia in KOTOR 2 tells you that there's no great revelation, no twist that changes your perspective on everything that has happened up until this point, there's only you (and Kreia/Ulysses).
Also, I'm probably alone on this one, but I loved the more linear level design in LR.
I always want to explore as much as possible, and with LR I can, while with bigger maps, it's so overwhelming that I just give up.
>>338262654
I agree. I also value the huge amount of historical and cultural research they did with creating the different tribes, but everything else it tries to do is just so bland.
>>338263795
>historical and cultural research they did with creating the different tribes
huh? care to elaborate on that?
>>338263775
Different strokes for different folks I guess. I was very excited to explore what is described to you as an untouched treasure trove of experimental pre-war technologies and lost knowledge, and to learn about the strange scientists inhabiting it.
Honest Hearts was rushed, they thought they were going to run out of time and pushed it out faster than perhaps they should have
>>338261527
God, I wish he really said that. The shitposting that would ensue would've been amazing!
>>338263775
Are you one of those people who doesn't care about the ending in Fallout because "Does it effect gameplay???? WEL THEN WHY SHOULD I GIVE A SHIT XD"
Should I play this game on PS3?
>Caesar: Are you a fucking idiot?
>"you promised my safety"
>Caesar: and you believed me?
>yfw
n-nice joke kaisar
>>338264007
No.
PC or go home.
>>338263965
I honestly find that image really terrifying.
That drawn by a bunch of tribals who barely knew how guns worked.
Look at the way they portray Graham and the people he shot.
Goddamn. Gives me goosebumps.
>>338264007
Yes
>>338263965
Goddamn I love tribals in Fallout. To me it's one of those Fallout staples.
>>338263861
I'm afraid I can't elaborate much, it was a long time ago and I honestly don't quite remember. I watched Sawyer talking about it a while after it released and felt like that was the main focus of the DLC.
I think he has a few videos about it too on his personal Youtube channel.
>>338263965
This is a small but good example of what I'm referring. There was a lot of work put into making the tribes believable without being cliche or parodic.
>>338264431
New Vegas tribals did tribals better than fucking Far Cry Primal.
>>338263989
How did you come to this conclusion? I actually do care about the endings, because they show how your actions affected actual characters that you might've cared about. I find it impossible to care for robots that are basically nothing but caricatures. I actually got legit upset at the ending of HH after I murdered the Legs because I didn't think it would stir the tribes in that direction, mostly because the tribesmen, and that dude in the cowboy hat who got his life wrecked because of me, feel like actual people and not some penguin-of-doom-tier characters.
>>338263875
I understand. I guess if the situation and the circumstances themselves are interesting to you, OWB might be cool. I feel that most people need a bit more investment, though.
>>338263795
LR is trying to tell you a story, and really it was a lot more open then i expected after hearing the devs talk about it. They called it just a road. Really its a handful of bottlenecks that open into tiny, very downsized sandboxes with plenty of exploration in each area. You go between the bottlenecks when you think you've seen everything, and you know you make progress because ulysses talks to you.
I enjoyed the design, it's one of my favorites to this day.
>>338264603
>I feel that most people need a bit more investment, though.
You're missing the point of OWB's design philosophy. Dead Money and Lonesome Road were linear, story driven experiences. Old World Blues is not. It is about exploring this box of whimsical toys and playing with them, with undertones of lore buried within that box. The endings of OWB even reflect on how much you explored the crater. They set up the Big Empty as this big, untouched golden goose of tech wrapped in mystery and danger, and it's supposed to excite the inner wanderer inside the player.
If you compare it to Dead Money and LR, sure it's a bit lacking in the narrative drive, but it's comparing apples to oranges in terms of experience.
>>338263965
I really liked the ending, call me edgy but it was so satisfying exterminating those tribals after all they'd done and hearing their leader beg for mercy. That slides where the Sorrows decide to stop being pushovers was great too.
HH- found it hard to have a good time, but it was heaven for my survivalist char.
DM- great story/idea, wrong game. I feel like it could have been a standalone if you change the gameplay/ make the "heist" part longer
OWB- best dialogue, best lore tie-ins.
LR- most fun gameplay/ map, worst everything else.
honestly though what I wanted/expected was spaghetti-western the dlc and madmax the dlc.
>>338264828
I'd like to think Old World Blues was Oblivion pretending to be Bethesda.
and managing to be better at being Bethesda than Bethesda.
this is the craziest set I can think of
pretty fun just running around with DRUGS whoppin niggas everywhere
>>338264875
>what I wanted/expected was spaghetti-western the dlc
That's the base game. The player character is very much a typical Eastwood/Western style protagonist. The wanderer who stumbles into a multi-sided conflict and plays against them all (If you go Wild Card, that is.)
>the Sierra Madre was basically an experiment in what happens when you mutate a large number of people, give them weapons, supplies and unkillable "ghosts" to deal with
>the bombs fell before Big MT could ever find out
>>338265034
Kinda missing the mark there fella.
The experiment wasn't really a plan, they just lent Sinclair whatever experimental technologies he wanted and waited to see what would happen. They didn't plan anything or have a cohesive big experiment.
Replaying New Vegas with the "Ultimate Edition" with only basic glitch/UI patches installed and the JSawyer mod was one of the best gaming experiences I've ever had.
>>338264828
I see your point, but other problem with it is that it is too over-the-top. It kills the sense of wonder in me because it doesn't feel like I'm exploring an actual location that is a relic of the past. It's so over-exaggerated and over-the-top that it feel like it doesn't belong in an actual world, like I'm in some autistic middle school play. It's hard to be immersed when there's always some motherfucker shouting quips at you, and is trying to be funny. It feels too staged.
>>338262183
Do em in release order
>>338264875
BOUNTIES MOD NIGGA, for all western bounty hunting lever gun fun
>>338265026
but Annon, I wanted MORE
>>338265225
It's purposefully over the top. Firstly for the fact that it's supposed to be directly inspired by campy 50's B-movies, but there's also a story reason for it if you dig deeper. The Big MT can be pretty dark.
>>338264684
I totally agree. A lot of people criticize it for that, saying it's just a road, but there's a lot more to it than that. And more linear isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I've always been more into open-ended design like Deus Ex and Thief, and I think the small-scale in which LR did it was great and unique, much like DM also tries new concepts applied into the same gameplay.
Although, I think Avellone mentioned that he didn't like the level design in LR, so it's unlikely they use it again.
>>338265225
>experiments of torture and horrible results.
>literally a concentration camp in the middle of the crater where they kept prisoners of war and experimented on them so badly that they'd rather kill themselves then let the scientists take them
lmao yeh so wacky XD that's all there is to the Big MT anon you definitely shouldn't explore more
>>338265127
The Cloud and the Hazmat suits were an "experiment within an experiment", so the Ghost People were definitely intended
The absurd number of Cosmic Knives they sent also points to them being a deliberate part of that experiment, considering they were borderline useless for their intended use as kitchenware
And Sinclair had to buy the technology with money and the rights to experiment on the town. Once he went to them looking for useful stuff they were in the perfect position to push their new technologies on him. As I recall he bought the Vending Machines first, then the Holograms, then the Cloud showed up, they sent the Suits and a bunch of Cosmic Knives. Seems like a setup to me.
Is there any thing fun when it comes to exploring in New Vegas aside from hunting food? Fallout 4 has like spawning armors and stupid crazy shit that makes exploring somewhat worth it, judging from my play time.
I didn't like how Dead Money and Old World Blues kind of had the same theme as the main quest. The main quest was done a lot better, it just seems boring to go over the same themes.
I didn't try the other DLC so I don't know if that's the same.
>tfw spawning in a shitload of gold bars and spreading them individually across my bed
>>338265605
Well, other than discovering locations and exploring an atomic wasteland with lots of well written factions, tribes and gangs, no not really.
Play Borderlands if you want epic loot drops.
>>338265698
I love the well written stuff in NV, and I've completed it 2 times already, but I'm talking about exploring the outer reaches, the one with no civilization at all, like the Northern parts. Any point to that aside from getting killed by deathclaws?
>>338265639
Dude the entire game has that theme. Even the prequel comic has it.
Did you notice how the choice in every companion's sidequest is to embrace the past or move on? (Veronica, Arcade, Raul, Boone, Lily) Do you realize how all the main factions are heavily entrenched in the past, (NCR = Old world democracy/government, Caesar = Old world authoritarianism and monolithic culture, House = literally obsessed with preserving his little snowglobe of Las Vegas, his shining lights of the Old World) and are sloping behind as a result? Did you notice how all the old returning factions are fading away as they come to realize they're relics of a bygone era? (Enclave remnants, Khans) And that both of them are looking for a way to reignite the glory of the past (Khans suiciding for the Legion, Enclave suiting up again) in ways that will only destroy them?
The theme of letting go is seeded far deeper than just the DLCs.
>>338265804
Some of the best weapons in the game are there. Alien Blaster if you play with Wild Wasteland, unique Gauss if you dont, and I think there's also a good unique weapon on the crater to the north-east corner of the map.
But the best DLC weapons are usually better I think, except for the ayylmao blaster.
>planning for the end of the world
>store a bunch of heavy, useless gold bars in your impregnable fallout shelter
The stacks of casino chips make sense but what was he going to do? Try and forcefeed them into one of the replicators?
>>338265546
Are you denying that OWB if full of wacky shit now? I mean, that's how the developers themselves chose to set the tone. The introductory sequence is nothing but wacky shit, and it accompanies every quest so far. There's no need to be facetious about it. I understand that it might have a more serious notes in there, as >>338265380 mentioned, but that's not how they chose to present it initially.
Either way, I still think, that it feels too out of place so far, and just doesn't mesh well with the game itself. Might change my mind by the end of it, however unlikely it is.
>>338266162
Well, seems good enough, though I'm not a laser fan.
>>338266060
I've actually never thought of it this way, that's pretty neat.
>>338266060
Holy shit..
If you apply the theme of Letting Go of the Past...
the 50s and wild west aesthetic really make a LOT more sense now.
Damn.
>>338266357
you could always check out some of the great mods available, a lot of them utilize the empty areas.
>>338264007
I played it on 360. Besides the glitches and bugged quests you get to deal with crashes every hour or so, and sometimes it just corrupts your autosaves so you have to remember to hard save every time you can
I think the thing I hate most about FO4 is no matter how much I play the Sole Survivor as [THIS] its still Nate/Nora, how about I supposed to play the dim-witted gentle giant when the Sole Survivor always speaks just fine and my character's lack of intelligence is never pointed out by others?
>>338266060
>in ways that will only destroy them
The better Khan "retake your glory" ending is them leaving the Mojave and conquering part of Wyoming
And nothing bad happens to the Remnants in any of their endings unless you personally kill them
>>338266639
>my character's lack of intelligence is never pointed out by others?
stupid people can't recognize stupid persons
the only intelligent people in the game are Hancock a.k.a based leader
>>338266210
You can use them for electronics
>>338261424
I wanna wear that!
The Followers of the Apocalypse are so based in New Vegas. Holy shit, I never genuinely respected a fictional organization before. They feel so real. The way they act, the way they treat the people, the really feel like a true charity/human rights NGO irl. At first I was skeptical, but now I really wanna help them out. Goddamn. Their only flaw is literally their lack of funding.
Anyone else know this feel?
>>338266689
Raul is the cooler ghoul
>>338266210
i think the gold and pre-war money was just him stashing his dosh in case the apocalypse didn't actually happen
post Joshua Graham-core
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EqrewXci5k
>>338266254
you are genuinely not grasping the narrative if by the end you dont understand the juxtaposition of their childlike disregard of their surroundings and actions and the gravity of the things done and implied around and by them
it all has a significance, its not "memes", they are not spouting references for the sake of the writers shooting the player behind the screen a metaphorical wink and double guns
>>338266837
Funny how they don't really have any good ends, they have ok ends and bad ends. Such is life.
If New Vegas had a HD rerelease on a new engine, made by Obsidian with the funds going to Obsidian, what would you like to see from it?
>>338267073
Expanded legion questlines.
>Going to Vault 3 for reasons
>Killing some Fiends
>Start checking bedrooms
>A number of them have OD'd on shit like Psycho or Jet
Do you find overdosed raiders in 3 or 4?
>>338267073
>more quests
>more legion (the WHOLE map of legion)
>a lil bit more on house
>BETTER PRESENTATION (lanius was so badly presented in game, so is the whole battle of hoover dam)
>better deserts and desserts
>more explorable fun areas
>a bigger strip, the biggest strip, a true las vegas
10/10
>>338267073
Keep most of it the same, but focus on redesigining new vegas, and giving the legion the same amount of love that the NCR got.
>>338260139
Thx senpai.
>>338266669
>The better Khan "retake your glory" ending is them leaving the Mojave and conquering part of Wyoming
Exactly, New Vegas presents you the choice to let go of the past. Just as you can do with the companions, you can do with some of the factions. If it werent' for the Courier, they'd still be on that path.
>And nothing bad happens to the Remnants in any of their endings unless you personally kill them
Except for the fact that they become active again, which is essentially a death sentence. They make it explicit throughout the game that the Enclave remannts are essentially treated like Nazis at Nuremberg by the NCR. They'll be headhunted.
>>338261695
this
i fell for the NV f´meme
>>338266254
Finish the story. the wackiness has a purpose in the character arc/narrative.
The Think Tank were NOT good people and the things that happened at the Big MT were fucking despicable, but they're juxtaposed by the 50's b-movie theme and technology.
>>338267283
The Remnants show up for one battle and then go to ground again, maybe move on from the Mojave. In the one ending where they are hunted, they do just fine.
The only person who suffers for putting on Enclave armour again is Arcade
>>338257023
Dead money because the reward when done right sets you up for the rest of the game and is worth the shit the dlc put you through.
>>338266837
Yeah, I feel the same way about the Legion.
>>338267589
Explain.
>>338267073
Way bigger freeside
Bigger strip with more shit to do other than running errands for House.
A steady stream of Elvis songs on the radio / coming out of the King's gang house.
>>338267187
No, why?
RAiders are for shoot'em, not to tell us a story.
>>338267717
>A steady stream of Elvis songs
They weren't in New Vegas for a reason
It cost way too much to have them
>>338257417
Actually the worst DLC in new Vegas
>>338267073
Expanded Legion territory.
Finishing of all unfinished content.
Bigger, better Strip.
Open, Reno styled Freeside.
Pulpy colours similar to Fury Road.
New Obsidian Fallout when
>>338267754
They don't have to tell a story, just a glimpse into the life of a Fiend. It looks like its just drugs and guns.
>>338267634
They're the best long-term hope for America and for humanity at large.
Forgoing the constraints and difficulties found within pre-conceived notions of ethics, they're able to transcend the boundaries of common morality by enforcing a super-monolithic, homogenous, nationalist, totalitarian society that effectively obliterates the identity of those that it conquers whilst assimilating them into its own. Such is the natural course of humanity - they idolize the absolute pinnacle of human kind (Rome) because it is so distant that it doesn't directly emulate failed pre-war notions like the NCR does. Their disregard for empathy and for the rights of foreign citizens allows for them to promote the supremacy of their own nation, which is well-guarded to the point where no crime exists, which allows for a socialist (in the fascist sense) distribution of goods and production, and for a stable and long-lasting society.
They're literally a society built to last.
>tfw bringing the Fist of Rawr into Dead Money
>>338268142
>They're literally a society built to last
>>338268142
Except they don't last, they only last as long as Caesar. They're not idolized, but vilified by most of the Mojave.
>>338268142
>They're literally a society built to last.
Except for when Caesar dies. Or when they reach the west coast.
Actually its Lonesome Road
>Best new items
>Best explorable areas
>Best atmosphere
>Best final boss
>Ulysses is actually too deep for most players and a great personal villain
>>338266669
I'm pretty sure some of their endings have them being hunted and executed for being former enclave
If the message of new vegas is letting go of the past does that mean fallout 3 and 4 are better games because they reinvented the series and tried something new?
>>338268443
>player kills them
>NCR fears them
>Caesar lets them go
>Lanius hunts them and loses hundreds of soldiers
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Fallout:_New_Vegas_endings#Slide_28:_Remnants
Why was New Vegas the best RPG in the last ten years? I can't even think of anything that remotely comes close.
>All DLC + YUP + DarnUI + New Vegas Uncut + JSawyer + Hardcore
>>338267073
Something east of the Colorado aside from Hidden Deathclawland
>>338268489
Oh God no. It was just saying that the time of classic Fallout had passed, and we needed to accept that and move on.
>>338257023
Why is /v just fucking bait simulator these days
NV sucked in general and the DLCs coukdnt save it. It was forced, rushed, and very incomplete.
>>338268489
No, it means that we need to just accept that Fallout 3 and 4 are taking the series in a new direction, and that clinging onto the past is only going to burn us.
New Vegas was a loveletter to Black Isle Fallout. To me, it's the finale of the Fallout series.
>>338268420
Hate this meme desu
When someone says something in New Vegas, they're not acting as a tool for the developer to feed objective facts about the world to player via exposition dumps, they're telling you what they think. When Chief Hanlon tells you that the NCR is going to collapse if it keeps expanding, it could be read as his informed opinion. It could also be read as wishful thinking given how much he hates the state of the NCR and the way it turned out.
It's likely that Caesar's Legion will collapse when Caesar dies. It's also likely that someone will take control and things will proceed as they were. Caesar's Legion has an entire generation of slave children raised to show obedience and follow orders. It's not out of the question that that's what they'll do regardless of who's in charge.
>>338268691
Don't respond to bait, people.
>>338268420
>>338268363
Wrong. And thus the common misconception of "the Legion won't outlast Caesar" comes into play.
Caesar's primary goal isn't to destroy the NCR - it's to reform it. Provided he outlives the conquest of the Mojave, it wouldn't be difficult for him to seize power in the West Coast and erradicate all of its ineffiencies. It would be a great cleansing - washing away all of the corruption, the immoral decadence and rife selfishness and bereucracy that inhabits the NCR republic. Through this, Legates would be set up in each Legion controlled area. These people would be coming from a common core. A unified, monolithic, "the state comes before the individual" premise - they would ultimately serve the greater good of the Legion before themselves. Even after Caesar's death, and a new Dictator is implemented (the Legion follows Caesar because they believe he's the son of their god - all he needs to do is claim an heir) everyone will rally to the cause under the same banner for the same reasons. It will be a cycle of longevity the NCR could not even hope to have.
>>338268583
welp
>>338268691
Here's your (You)
>>338268845
>>338268787
The Legion is steamingrolling it's way to the west coast. The Legion is a pack of dogs that's been whipped into obedience, and they're on this crazy momentum to crush the NCR.
Ulysses has seen it first hand. He's right. Once, or if, the Legion achieves it's goal it'll turn on itself and split apart.
>>338268940
Ulysses is a dumb nigger
>>338266060
10/10 post nigga
it's shit like this that reaffirms my belief that Yes Man is the canon or at the very least, Dev intended ending.
So what do I need to bring when I start Dead Money? Can I bring my Power Armors? I started Honest Hearts wearing only a Field Outfit, Rattan Cowboy hate, and a Trail Carbine. Kind of regretting it.
>>338268994
>Legion fans
>>338269142
Store all your shit somewhere, come naked.
It'll make all the lugging easier.
Seriously.
>>338269142
Dead Money strips you of all your things.
What's stopping Caesar's Legion from going East? That Midwest BoS chapter? A single fucking BoS chapter? The Enclave in Chicago?
>>338269142
Bring everything, you'll need it.
>ywn see Fallout: Dogtown
>ywn salvage metal from the towering skyscrapers of Denver, carefully walking the planks from building to building because street level is overrun by gangs of feral dogs
>ywn barter with the legion and packs of ncr prisoners on work release for dog meat and ammunition to sustain yourself in an otherwise chaotic and lawless city
I'm ready to fucking die now
http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Denver
>>338269247
Midwestern BoS decided to become rulers and forge their own wasteland nation
>>338269247
Nothing. The fact is that there's more for them to the West. There's Hoover Dam, and the NCR.
Also those huge radioactive duststorms and tornados that ravage the midwest are probably pretty off putting.
>>338269069
I've always thought of Yes Man as the most non-cannon ending. The way the game is set up to allow you to kill everyone means that they need some sort of safety net that would let you progress even if you play like a a retard, so they have yes man there to allow you to finish the game.
Also given how dark the game can get and how almost non of the main characters seem to be willing to let go and the message of "war never changes", the game kind of feels like it's saying we need to change, but showing how we can't. Yes Man feels like too much of a clean, easy choice relative to all the others desu.
>>338268940
Except that objectively isn't true. Not only did both of those posts refute your own argument for you, but I'll do it again:
The Legion won't turn on itself and split apart because it has never done it in the past. Every area that the Legion has gone through has had a form of government set up in it; the people living in it are given protection for a small amount of their produce - Legion controlled areas have clean water, fertile grounds and agricultural systems, there's also no crime whatsoever. This alone proves the Legion's competency at running lands. 'The Legion' as a whole is a massive army - once that army takes the West coast it will expurgate the NCR's government and fairly but brutally rule over its citizens. Effective law will be implemented and the Legion's socialistic tendencies will be alongside it. The people will be inhabited by an elite form of police while Caesar or another dictator rules the lands and the Legion army marches outward searching for new lands to conquest in.
Even theoretically when they conquer everything, most of the army will disperse to guard and protect towns like they do back east.
>>338266210
Sinclair knew/learned that Dean and Vera were going to rob Sinclair blind. He reprogrammed his vault and shelter to close permanently once the elevator reached the vault and Dean read a certain file. Sinclair planned to lure the duo in (or just Dean maybe, I forget) and get them to lock themselves into the vault. The gold at the entrance was just part of the plot to lull Dean into a false sense of security and confidence.
>>338269362
Tactics ain't canon, fucktard.
All we know is that there's a BoS presence in the midwest, and the Enclave are camped up in Chicago. Outside of that, it's all guesswork.
>>338269142
What you need to bring into DM, anon, are skills, not items. There are lots of Hard locked doors and terminals, you need to have highRepairto get rid of holograms.
>>338269247
Well there's more raiders/tribes as you go further east, but once you hit the midwest it's literally just super huge tornados. No one lives out there and while it'sbegrudginglycanon that people have made the trek to the east coast, it would be very difficult to get an entire army through it, and it's not like there's any towns to take over and rest at on the way
Best Fallout DLC coming through.
Deal with it NV memers.
>>338269389
>The Legion won't turn on itself and split apart because it has never done it in the past
>>338269362
>Ronto
>Not where Toronto is
>>338269389
That is actually very true. Cass herself emphasizes that Caravans are very well protected under the Legion.
Did they ever fix being able to take all the gold?
>>338269247
they only tend to go where theres things worth taking, ie the dam
whats there to raid to the east, a bunch of fucking shantytowns and a whole lot of nothing
>>338269443
Tactics *is* cannon you buttface. Just selectively.
>there will never be a fallout that happens in a 1980s era
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlSxhjCS5ac
well I guess I'll just go back to ignoring this entire series.
>>338269569
No. There's like 3 ways to do it.
>>338269443
>Fallout Tactics has been declared as non-canon by Bethesda Softworks except for its pivotal events
>pivotal events
Like, BoS heading west and setting up their own nation
>>338269514
I played all the FO3 DLCS except this because I got burnt out on the game at that point, is it worth going back to play it?
>>338257417
Awful taste senpai
>>338268787
>When someone says something in New Vegas, they're not acting as a tool for the developer to feed objective facts about the world to player via exposition dumps, they're telling you what they think.
When three separate people high up in command of the major factions, including fucking Caesar himself, tell you "the Legion will not outlive Caesar", I'm strongly inclined to believe it.
Your post has a point in the part I quoted, but you're defending something stupid. Caesar's society is not "built to last".
>Caesar's Legion has an entire generation of slave children raised to show obedience and follow orders. It's not out of the question that that's what they'll do regardless of who's in charge
They specifically worship him and see him as divinely appointed by Mars, and the entire system relies on Caesar being a wise and strong demigod-like entity. When he dies for some stupid reason, i.e. getting his ass whipped by the Courier, the system crumbles without its central pillar.
>>338269689
the airships from tactics are also canon
>>338269535
Way to go. Instead of refuting my argument, creating your own with words, or even provided evidence for your implied 'refutation', you just posted a reaction image.
>>338269569
no
not they they even shouldve tried to in the first place
>>338269387
Nah, I figure it like this:
>Whole theme of not letting go. Wild Card is the only faction that's about embracing the New World
>Courier is the opposite/rival of Ulysses. Ulysses is obsessed by flags and factions, and it's both thematically fitting and provides the most interesting dialogue when he is shocked/disgusted by your lack of a flag
>Forecaster kid's prediction of your future is essentially explaining the Wild Card path
>Whole theme of gambling, "21" (Blackjack) which is the Courier's number (Collar code in DM, Vault Suit number) is representative of the wild card/gamble
>essentially assuming the role of Benny, thematically fitting that you take his place
>Actual questline encourages the most exploration/questing
>Emphasises choice and concequence the most: Core of RPGs and Fallout
>Builds on Western theme by putting player into role of cowboy wanderer that plays all the different groups against eachother for their own game (Western trope)
Seems out of everything, if there was a canon ending, it'd be Wild Card.
>>338269069
>it's shit like this that reaffirms my belief that Yes Man is the canon
"no"
whichever chapter is canon is the one which allows as many factions to survive as possible, thus keeping their options open for future games, so I would say House ending. It allows just about every faction displayed to survive, and BoS remain alive elsewhere in the wasteland
>>338269479
East coast brotherhood made it with vertibirds right? Or maybe they just walked I cant remember. They did go through Ronto and The Pitt so it's possible that there's a pass through the Midwest if you go far enough up north to Canada and avoid the Great plains as much as possible.
>>338269850
the courier's number is literally 6
>>338269815
because what you are saying is laughable.
Saying something is impossible because it hasn't happened yet is fucking retarded.
Especially since it runs counter to the point the other anon was trying to make. Caesar hasn't died before and they haven't taken down the NCR. Both events which several well informed characters predict will be the downfall of the Legion.
>>338267195
This, I really like how they made Washington in Fallout 3 in the corner of the map and how they made various district separated by rubble and connected only by metro because it actually made you feel that the city is much larger than what you see. In New Vegas the city is fucking tiny compared to how huge LV is in real life, especially considering that it's supposed to have been only barely damaged by the bombs.
It's amazing how, 6 years later, people still argue about this shit quite regularly.
>>338269850
>shocked/disgusted by your lack of a flag
what does he say?
>>338269925
They had a fleet of airships, actually. That's one of the few canon things from Tactics
>>338269903
Have you actually done a Wild Card ending? It's not killing everyone. You literally have the most choice in Wild Card.
>>338264915
I didn't know new vegas had a psp release
>>338257023
OWB = Dead Money > Lonesome Road > Honest Hearts >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pooint Shitout >> The Shitt >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Broken Shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Opooration Shitcorage >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Motherpoo Shita
Fallout 3 DLCs were offensively fucking bad. With the Far Harbour releasing just recently I wonder how many fell for the HEY GUYS IT'S JUST LIKE POINT LOOKOUT XD meme.
>>338268787
>>338268845
Its one of their fucking endings where they win at Hoover Dam but Caesar is dead, they do not live much longer with Caesar.
>>338269514
>East Coast Fallout
Trash
>>338270014
That's how you know it's a great game silly goose
>>338269742
>When he dies for some stupid reason, i.e. getting his ass whipped by the Courier, the system crumbles without its central pillar
Au contrare.
That will act as the impetus for the Legion's new reformation - it will become more brutal, more monotheistic and even more powerful.
Every single Legion soldier will be imbued with a divine retribution for the Courier and for the NCR - no doubt the Legion war machine will see the Courier as either a direct agent of or extension of the NCR, which will drive them to swiftly annihilate it instead of slowly draining it as they had been in the past. They will unite under the Legate, with fire in their hearts, venerating Caesar as a divine being more than ever before, and turn the Courier into a walking devil-figure.
>>338263795
didn't honest hearts come out before dead money?
>>338270025
You know how he criticizes you in LR for whatever faction you take? Well, essentially instead of that he criticizes you for being someone who hasn't picked a side or bears a flag
>>338269815
>it hasn't happened before so it's not going to happen
I'm almost offended you're so stupid as to think this is some kind of rational argument
>>338270045
>>338269925
Sorry, what I meant was, they originally went east in them. How exactly they ended up in the capital wasteland I'm not sure. I think after the chicago branch crashed in tactics they might have migrated on foot through the pitt/ronto.
>>338270105
>Its one of their fucking endings where they win at Hoover Dam but Caesar is dead, they do not live much longer with Caesar.
That's because they had a fucking retard /pol/ caricature in charge.
>>338269973
>>338270313
Also if you listen to Elijah's broadcast during Dead Money, he refers to the Courier as "21"
>>338270105
Except there's no ending whatsoever like that. It's all left up in the air.
>>338270213
My argument wasn't that "it hasn't happened before so it's not going to happen", it's that there's evidence to prove that the Legion is capable of being a stable, effective political government outside of the war machine. I'm literally providing evidence of their ability to run land.
It's no worse than saying "it hasn't happened before but it will happen".
>>338270313
Did you skip over Primm? You were the sixth courier. You are LITERALLY COURIER SIX. It's even fucking painted all over the rocks in the mojave just before you enter the lonesome road DLC by Ulysses
>>338270407
Because you're using a Vault 21 Pipboy
>>338270408
Except Sawyer himself has said that the Legion don't really have government. They are literally just an army running everything moving from war camp to war camp.
>>338270471
Yes, but guess what number is associated with him thematically?
>>338268674
>Hidden Deathclawland
Wait what? Am I not aware of something?
>>338269742
Well, think of it like this.
If your whole life revolves around obedience since as long as you can remember, you're not going to instantly become Mr Libertarian because the justification you were given goes away.
Caesar's problem is a total lack of good leadership, THAT'S why the Legion won't do so hot once he's gone. Who does he have? Lanius is just a guy who can fight decently well, you can only intimidate away like 5% of the problems you encounter running a country.
North Koreans don't obey because they TRULY believe Kim Jong Un was born on a rainbow and shat out by God himself or whatever, they obey because that's how they were raised (that and they get shot if they don't). All the myth-building is just there to reinforce things.
>>338270487
it's because it's his collar number. The collars have numbers.
>>338261925
If a video game can affect you emotionally you need to go out and make friends.
>>338270632
On the East side of the river, IIRC near the bottom of the map, there's a place you can actually walk onto that's not a sheer cliff. There's a shit ton of deathclaws and I think a good power armor set up there.
>>338270632
Deathclaw Promontory
Has a suit of neutral T51-b and Enclave Remnants armour, a shitload of Deathclaws and the ability to spawn multiple Alphas/Mothers
>>338257649
Please, I need to know your graphics mods
>>338270493
Because the Legion itself is a body of soldiers moving from war camp to war camp.
Sawyer has always gone on record to say that people who live in Legion-controlled towns and areas live safe and happy lives with clean water, fresh crops and the ability to trade with whomever they please, because Legion soldiers who have been instated as a form of police patrol and control those towns.
It works as follows:
>Legion invades a town
>kills/crucifies/enslaves undesirables
>worthy civilians left to live
>Legion indoctrinates/assimilates them
>instates a police force
>the people work and trade for the Legion while living comfortable lives
>the Legion army moves on and the cycle repeats
>>338270632
Maybe the Deathclaw Promontory? It's where you can find Enclave Armor, the far northeast of the map.
>>338270565
Courier six was referred to by 21, as >>338270487 stated, because the doc gave you a pip boy from vault 21. The vault suit number has nothing to do with the courier. And vault 21 is named that because *their* theme was gambling. I get the point you're trying to make but you're just stretching way too far with it
>>338270274
Lanius is so fucking terrifying. Goddamn. The way they described him in the Fort was so goddamn cool.
I really don't like his voice though, doesn't fit him. Too calm sounding.
Personally, I really wanted him to sound like the Wish Granter from Stalker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ5UmUOcoWA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5myTtvblEg
I know he might sound too edgy for some of you, but he'd actually sound a lot more menacing, and his Russian accent would be such a surprise, it would be emphasizing his tribal-ness a lot more, and give him a more unique horrific vibe compared to other NPCs.
>>338270093
Nobody cares about F3 DLCs. The original game was shit anyway and they're so bad it's just pointless to talk about them.
>>338270148
Nope. Honest Hearts is also the only one NOT written and directed by Avellone. And it shows.
>>338261695
>they take all your shit
You can easily acquire more shit. Shouldn't have focused on just one skill senpai.
>visuals, literally every building had the same outside textures
No shit, the place was built with a singular theme in mind. They have signs all over the fucking place to point you around and you HAVE A GODDAMN MAP ON YOUR ARM.
>story
>he ignored DOG/GOD, he didn't get the connection between Uly and Mute Chick and Veronica and Elijah.
>he ignored Dean Domino the dumbass thief who somehow charmed his way into the red lady's panties to rip off a casino like a fucking ocean movie
>he probably literally ran through the death clouds blindly
>he probably didn't explore a goddamn thing and didn't get the badass light armor, auto rifle, holo rifle, and loads of other shit.
>he didn't rape the casino's blackjack table for nearly unlimited stims, ammo, and repair kits
>he didn't return every three days for a free 1000 chip voucher to grab ALL THE THINGS
>he didn't learn Mute Chick's recipe for forging the goddamn things for shits and giggles
Holy fuck anon, do you not explore in games where the point is to literally explore every goddamn crevice or check out the backstory and hidden shit? I mean. Fuck, I feel like this is bait but c'mon man.
>>338270093
oh come on. The pitt was the only DLC with any kind of moral choice to make
>>338270841
>doesn't fit him
Lanius is a collection of conflicting stories meant to build a legend for the Legion to follow and NCR to fear.
It fits perfectly to find a calm, collected and well spoken general at the end of it all who can be reasoned with. Butcher, the Monster of the East, is just a story.
>>338270771
>Deathclaw Promontory
I've literally played thousands of hours of this game and I've never ever heard of this.
What the fuck?
>>338270141
>That will act as the impetus for the Legion's new reformation
[citation needed].
We have the opinion of Caesar himself (and Vulpes) saying the Legion won't survive without Caesar and that the Legate is not a sufficient leader for the faction.
Then, on the other hand, we have you, theorycrafting. It's your opinion (as a player who has not lived and worked with the Legate or the Legion for an extended period of time, and only knows them through snippets of dialogue) vs. the expert opinion of the faction leaders on the ground who have seen the Legion from start to potential finish.
Also I'm pretty sure this is bait, going by the oddly propagandistic wording, so I'm going to stop replying.
>>338263061
>OWB
>Bethesda fans
You are shitposting as hard as you can, or you're retarded
>>338271032
Except it was Bethesda moral choices, which means instead of picking what is right depending on perspective, you have to pick between two Monkey's Paw style shitty choices. For another example, see Skyrim's Civil War.
>>338271136
It's not a marked location and it's so out of the way you're not going to find it unless you know where it is already or decide to explore the otherwise barren stretch of the Colorado
>>338270274
Every legionnaire is a fucking /pol/ retard because Caesar shape up them into perfect human mechanism by taking away their freedom so it be much easier to manipulate them. No one will be able to be Caesar.
>>338257649
Does locking Elijah in the vault give you more time to escape or what?
Did you just sneak out leaving him alive or something? Usually I can grab 8-10 bars and be safely away when I murder him, but I want them ALL. Preferably without glitch trickery and other bullshit. Playing on 360, sadly.
>>338268845
The problem is that every slave driven economy requires constant conquest to support itself. So unless the Legion will be able to quickly reorganise itself into some more stable economical model(which I think is unlikely) it will collapse when it runs out of places to conquer and pillage.
>>338261424
>tfw still have a headless girl fetish (THANKS DURARARA!! I SURE NEEDED THAT)
>just started playing FNV, got the GOTY edition with all the DLC for like 20 bucks
>just found out about this beauty
>>338271002
>Shouldn't have focused on just one skill
What, does DM not have many Guns, or Energy weapons? Are they punishing a player for specializing instead of generalizing?
>>338271256
That's fair. I just liked that they tried to make something morally grey, instead of just black and white good/evil
>>338271336
You get to switch on your radio and listen to him ramble and beg to be let out
