Talk to me about the new sub-genera, Hero Shooter.
How would you define Hero Shooters? Would you just consider it a rename of team-based shooters?
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>tfw everyone forgot me
stop trying to make me mad it's working too well
>>338237820
Team-based shooter with big emphasis on variety of characters. Each character has one build and playstyle. Build can be slightly modified, but modifications can't change fundamental intent of the character.
Also TF2 is not hero shooter, it's class-based shooter
>>338238394
Autism
>>338237981
I didn't. I just wish you had a bigger playerbase. I tried to stick to you as long as I could, but everyone else went away.
>>338237820
>Paladins
This is the first I've heard of this
>>338239318
War of the Planets looks fucking rad though. Was that deliberate?
>>338237981
They really did.
>>338237820
TF2 is not a hero shooter.
Why do people put TF2 with those MOBA wanna be shooters.
>>338240045
Because cell shading and strong individual class personalities.
Basically the atmosphere.
>>338239871
>It looks rad
>get it
>it's shit
>get cancer from carcinogenic lead paint
pretty much what playing tf2 is like
>>338240184
TF2 is a fantastic game at its core though. You don't seriously believe its bad for any reason other than the people who play it, right?
>>338240045
Name 3 differences between Overwatch and TF2s core gameplay
>>338240045
>Moba wannabe
I don't understand this meme, especially with how often it's used to refer to Overwatch. If Overwatch is ASSFAGGOTS so is TF2, or maybe even less since TF2 has actual assfaggots-esque F2P cancer like purchasable hats/weapons and russians out the ass.
>>338240523
Overwatch has skills.
Overwatch has no marketable cosmetic items.
Overwatch is actually fun.
>>338240523
No skills, no weapon loadouts, no depth.
>>338237820
Paladins and battleborns are dota-games.
>>338240732
>Overwatch has skills
one
>Overwatch has no marketable cosmetic items
Factually inncorect
>Overwatch is actually fun
Opinion
>>338240836
>No weapon loadouts
two
>no depth
Subjective
>>338240442
>join server
>vote kicked for not being friendly
>join server
>vote kicked for completing the objective
>join server
>vote kicked for "try harding"
>join server
>vote kicked by brbrbr's because they say it's their private achievement server
I love the game and have over 3 thousand hours clocked in on it, but I just can't put up with the community anymore. Fun while it lasted, though.
>>338240925
Competitive is coming to save us all. Its going to be like the second coming of christ
>>338241129
Hahaha, good one anon.
Team Fortress 2 did with nine classes what Overwatch can barely do with twenty-one.
>>338237820
The genre is called "First Person Shooter," autist.
I-I'm a hero shooter too right anon?
>>338241129
>TF2
>ever actually being competitive
>>338241859
>I don't know the difference between a genera and a subgenera
You're fucking embarrassing yourself
>>338237820
Are they actually heroes? Do all of them fight for justice?
>>338241993
>genera
So are you.
>>338241129
The worst part is you actually believe that.
>>338240924
Overwatch doesn't have marketable cosmetic items. It has unlockable skins, but you can't buy or sell them on a market.
Paladins is pretty shit. It's like it wanted to be Overwatch but fucked up in every possible way.
>>338242203
They are going to have microtransactions to buy them. That's what that unused coin counter was doing in the beta. So you can buy them.
Plus, there are already 5 skins you get when you buy the special edition. Do those not count?
>new sub-genre
>tf2 was released 9 years ago
Either remove it from the list or don't call it "new"
IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN
I fucking HATE MOBAs and couldn't get into Battleborn. I loved Overwatch because it reminds me a lot of TF2 which I used to play all the time.
Now I'm left wondering if any of these new shooters are more like TF2 instead of being a first-person ASSFAGGOTS.
>>338240523
loadouts
overwatch has game changing skills in the form of ultimates, the closest thing resembling that is an uber
tf2 has more class match up mechanics, such as spies explicity having a sentry killing sapper and weapons that cover up weaknesses from class counters such as spicicle or razorback
>>338237981
Super Monday Night Combat killed this game despite being worse in almost every way.
>>338242663
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YFp6qJxnsA
Paragon is a straight up moba similar to smite
>>338243009
I don't know shit about Lawbreakers but your only hope aside from Overwatch is possibly Dirty Bomb, and that game probably doesn't have much life left once Overwatch comes out.
>>338242663
>Gigantic
P2W Entertainment
>Paragon
Might be ok.
>Battleborn
It's ok.
>Overwatch
It's ok.
>Paladins
Might be ok.
>Lawbreakers
Nexon
>>338242343
I think his point is that players can't sell between each-other. What many believe ruined TF2
>>338243225
I actually downloaded that on Steam but it crashed as soon as I tried to open it. Gave it a few more tries before giving up, too.
>>338243319
Don't waste your time, Dirty Bomb is dead.
Overwatch, that new game everyone is talking about. Wait no private custom servers? What was Blizzard thinking?
>>338237820
>hero shooter
>TF2
nope, TF2 is class based shooter
>>338243318
Oh. Either way that has nothing to do with either games core gameplay like the other anon asked
>>338240925
You really have to be an obnoxious faggot to be vote kicked that much
stop complaining after every death, and maybe you'll stay in a match more than five minutes before being kicked out
>>338243427
S A M E
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>>338240925
>800 hours and never been kicked
not sure, but it looks like you are the problem.. also I only played on EU servers so maybe that's the difference?
>>338243476
N O P E
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>>338243443
I've been votekicked 10+ times, usually for cheating
Valve servers man
>>338243013
>540x3240
>someone actually took the time to make this
>>338237981
Got around 10 hours of playtime in SMNC. Is that what Overwatch, Battleborn and so on is like? Cause that was awful, at its absolute core principles (nvm the execution).
>>338243645
Battleborn yes. Overwatch is more like TF2.
>>338243645
Not overwatch, but battleborn and the others, yes
>>338242663
>nexon making lawbreakers
>when they already "publish" or endorse dirty bomb
>partially contributing to on of their own fucking game's death
wew nexon
also
>paladins
>trusting hi-rez trying to hop on the bandwagon
fucking NOPE
thank god for overwatch
I don't like the concept of ultimate. It's took the already awful concept of CoD killstreaks and now gives them to players every few minutes without having to do anything.
>>338237820
>Counter Strike without balance
>>338243583
You joining through matchmaking or server browser?
It's been admittedly forever since I've touched TF2, use the browser to find a <20 player yet under 24 player server with low ping on your ideal map.
banter a bit with fags, and I doubt they'll kick you unless you're really playing some obnoxious combo
>>338243878
It's a casual game trying to have a mechanic that feels "rewarding" without requiring any thought or input to achieve.
Skills are a direct consequence of watered down console focused FPS game design, where you don't give people more than 2 guns at a time. You know, we used to carry around 9 different weapons in FPS. 2 guns is really not a lot (especially not if they're both just a minor variant of some hitscan crap), so skills/abilities are introduced to give back some diversity.
>>338244125
Server Browser, of course. I usually join valve servers because of the normal rotations and lack of obnoxious server plugins.
>TF2
>hero shooter
Nine classes seems a bit thin for a hero shooter don't you think?
>>338243013
No game is going to "kill" TF2.
TF2 killed TF2. The updates after the heavy one ruined it.
>>338237820
>Tf2
>Hero shooter
This genre is being pushed so hard, it really should fuck off. Overwatch is great and all, but the other 5 games trying to be something not even established is retarded.
>>338244340
Which guns are hitscan in overwatch?
>>338243426
You can have private servers, but no custom ones so far.
If blizzard is pushed hard enough there's possibility for a modding community, but they are really not into that. It entirely depends on how successful it is.
>>338243862
I thought it was Epic making Paladins? Or where they making Paragon?
Who the fuck are the Gigantic devs?
This sub genre is a mess and all games look exactly the same.
>>338242663
>there are games more dead than Stillborn
Holy kek
>>338244623
I don't think all of them are out yet
>>338244490
McCree - Revolver
Reaper - Shotguns
Soldier 76 - Assault Rifle
Tracer - Twin SMGs (I guess)
Bastion - Rifle and Gatling Gun
Widowmaker - Rifle and Sniper
D.va - Chainguns I guess? Not sure what they are exactly
Roadhog - Left Click on his shotgun
8/21 have hitscan.
>>338244784
>Roadhog - Left Click on his shotgun
Naw, it's a flak cannon. shoots projectiles
>>338240924
Each character has 2-3 CD Skills and an Ultimate. Each of thier weapons are different and have different damage, range, aoe, and effects. The Hero IS the loadout. You change heroes on the fly as needed to deal with the ever changing situation on the map.
No micro transactions. All future maps, heroes, skins, sprays, etc... free and unlockable by playing the game.
TL;DR You're a butthurt TF2 or Battleborn fag and dont know shit about Overwatch.
>>338245083
Is it? That's the only one I wasn't really sure about.
>>338239908
>all-time peak
>51
How?
>>338244516
Modern Blizzard is 100% against modding, and they can and do ban people for it. If you modify your game files in any way for any reason, that is a violation of the TOS.
>>338241683
Overwatch has 4 classes.... Defense, Tank, Support, and Offense.
There are currently 21 heroes to choose from with more (allegedly) being revealed on Monday.
>>338245120
>Each character has 2-3 CD Skills and an Ultimate. Each of thier weapons are different and have different damage, range, aoe, and effects. The Hero IS the loadout. You change heroes on the fly as needed to deal with the ever changing situation on the map.
Sounds like it's more or less identical to TF2 with more stuff to do for each character and you don't get 10 slight variations of every gun.
>>338240925
I get salty players trying to kick me for "hacking" when I have a good score, but the vote rarely succeeds. A few days ago I had a guy try to kick me five times in a row before he gave up and left the server. If you're getting voted off by the majority of your team, you're probably either a shitty person or you visit awful servers.
>>338243645
Battleborn is such a disappointing shitstain of a game, imagine a slower, clunkier SMNC with more memes. I seriously regret buying it, I just wanted to pass some time before Overwatch but it actually makes me feel worse as a human being to have given money to Gearbox yet again for yet another underdeveloped, uninspired grindfest shitpile.
>>338245427
Different guy, it feels a lot like vanilla TF2 just with more classes. It absolutely works though, the shitty "sidegrade" weapons ruined TF2 more than hats ever did.
>>338245427
Exactly. All blizzard did was remove the stupid parts of TF2, create interesting heroes, and polish it up with sexy graphics and good audio.
Overwatch is what TF3 would have been.
>tfw hero shooters are the new MOBAs
>>338239318
Mega Bloks are awesome now, though. The figures are more poseable than most action figures.
>>338244529
oh you got me, you're right
nexon is merely publisher on that, epic is developing
could be good or bad, but the bandwagoning and repetition is really killing me here
>>338237981
>>338243645
SMNC was better than MNC in just about every way, it was mostly ignored because of poor marketing and the fact that it was way, way ahead of the times.
If SMNC launcehd a year or two ago, it'd be like the third biggest moba in the world.
>>338237820
>new sub-genera
>>338237820
CRAPCUNTS
>>338244694
Does that change anything?
>>338245903
SMNC was all over the place in terms of design, while MNC was actually focused on delivering a worthwhile, somewhat novel experience. Making the game MORE like dota/lol did it no favors, and really just took away from the areas in which it excelled whilst simultaneously making it less appealing versus the games it was now drawing more heavily from.
>>338247053
>Making the game MORE like dota/lol did it no favors
Except stopping good sniper players from near trivializing the other classes in pvp combat.
>>338237820
>Paladins
why is this even on the list? dont bother. shits dead in the water.
>>338247053
I find that to be categorically false, MNC was the one that seemed very unfocused. The entire dota aspect, the bot lanes, the turrets and the traps on the map became background noise, unimportant, because a good player had enough skill and map knowledge to completely ignore it.
You c could, as the assault character, get from one spawn to the other in seconds, without ever being anywhere near the bots or turrets.
SMNC made the characters designed to push lanes actually important, gave them roles, made certain objectives (equalizer) important to create big team fights - rather than have just one player run around the map dominating everyone, or a sniper standing in the back headshotting for full damage constantly.
SMNC created an environment where strategy and teamwork became an important aspect of the game, where as MNC was essentially just a mindless deathmatch game where all other elements of the game were totally inconsequential.
SMNC was crazily ahead of it's time. It'd be in the position smite is in now, if it released just a few years later, it was too much too soon.
>>338248626
Nah. SMNC is what it is. It doesn't have the appeal of Smite nor the appeal of any assfaggots precisely because it's HFP.
>>338245903
ok so who were you on the community mumble
>people have spent legible currency on Battleborn
isnt battleborn a moba?
>>338249707
It is.
>>338249498
>Some people actually spent money on TF2 or any of these "hero shooters"
>>338249910
TF2 wasn't DOA, or F2P from the beginning though. It used to be a good game.
>>338249498
>All those owners but no players
>>338250142
It's quite revealing, honestly. If the stats are anything to go by, 4/5 of all players have stopped playing after 2 weeks or so. I would like to see refund stats out of curiosity.
>>338245218
It's obvious that all the developers decided to play it before they drank the special kool-aid, anon.
>>338249498
>>338250142
The leddit page for battleborn is super sad. The poor saps that actually play this game are desperate for more players.
>>338250041
and, you know, the whole HL2 episode 2 / portal thing...
>>338250665
Yeah I'm aware. The face-value of Battleborn's failure is somewhat amusing because the cunt developers are suffering. Looking at the community's feverish plans to try and get players starts to border on pathetic.
http://steamcommunity.com/app/394230/discussions/0/357286663675421243/
http://steamcommunity.com/app/394230/discussions/0/357286663676088377/
They should never have gone with Battleborn in the first place, and focus on Borderlands 3 instead, with a better PVP system. It would have been way better than this.
A borderlands game where you still do the same thing (grinding oranges to kill big guys) but can also go online and 1v1 or 4v4 against randoms
>>338237981
I wanted to fuck the assassin
