>level design shits on doom, half life, thief, deus ex, dark souls, tony hawk's pro skater 3 many times over
>creepy atmosphere that shits on silent hill, amnesia, skyrim many times over
>diverse and deliberately chosen for fun weapon selection with alternate firing modes that shit on doom, duke 3d, half life, serious sam, painkiller (flare gun to light stuff up, tnt, proximity tnt, voo doo doll, best shotgun feel of any game and many more)
Basically, you've not experienced gaming if you've not played Blood.
Source port never ever;-;
>>338175715
you forgot
>difficulty selection completely broken on dosbox
>no current source port
>absolute garbage texture filtering, worse than vanilla doom games
>mouse controls completely fucked, bmouse is a pain to set up and doesn't always work
>>338176220
Doom64EX guy is working on it but you didn't hear it from me
>>338176478
I have no problems with anything you listed.
It's a good game, but I feel you're overrating it a little. The level design isn't as good as Doom, and plenty of other shooters. I really like the Evil Dead inspired atmosphere, and the weapons are often very fun. But I can't stand how buggy this game can be sometimes. Overall, it's my least favorite of the Build trio by far, but it's still a damn good time.
>>338176220
Also this
>>338176798
it does after ep 1
It's a decent game but it's not as creepy as skyrim.
>>338176220
XLengine is supposedly still going open source this year with support for blood, dark forces and dagger fall. It's taking forever to happen but the dev has actually been posting updates about it instead of going silent like he did for years.
>creepy atmosphere that shits on silent hill, amnesia, skyrim many times over
>creepy atmosphere
>skyrim
nigga wat
>>338175715
>best shotgun feel of any game
Agreed
>>338177496
atmosphere in general. sorry.
Blood > Doom > Duke3D >Powerslave> Shadow Warrior
which episode of blood is the best?
It's amazing how much I started enjoy the game more after I started playing the other episodes after finishing the first.
>>338177637
>skyrim
>atmosphere in general
>>338177540
I've got a little game for you to play.
>>338177979
Stop underrating Shadow Warrior.
Have only ever played doom as far as classic fps, should I do blood next?
>>338178464
It depends what you want to play, or what you define as a classic FPS. After Doom, the next logical step, in my eyes, is Quake. But, some people may not recognize Quake as "classic" since it's 3D. If that's the case, check out the other Doom engine games. If you aren't interested in those, start with Duke Nukem 3D. Then move to Blood and Shadow Warrior.
>>338178464
yes. but you'll probably not play any other game after that. ever.
>>338177637
Skyrim doesn't have atmosphere.
>>338178856
I asked as I've heard blood is much more difficult then doom. Also I'm a dumbass so please educate me but isn't quake's focus the multiplayer?
>>338179000
now you are lying
>>338179036
Play Duke 3D or Shadow Warrior and then you'll ready for Blood
>>338179040
It's true though. It's a fucking soulless game devoid of atmosphere. Stand in the middle of town in Skyrim and in spite of having NPC schedules and better graphics than Morrowind, Morrowind still has better atmosphere due to the use of foliage and ambient sound effects not to mention NPCs actually reacting to the weather (in the case of ash storms at least). Even Oblivion is better since the cities actually had unique designs from each other and NPC schedules were actually complicated and not "walk to this building at noon then go home 2 hours later and sit in a chair doing nothing until I go to sleep" like all of Skyrim's NPCs.
>>338179036
Yes, Blood is generally quite difficult, and it isn't made easier by how buggy it is. DN3D and SW are tough too, but those have been re-released, so they're easier to practice with, at least. Quake did shift more towards multiplayer, as time went on, but the singleplayer is still there.
>>338179036
Quack 1 had multiplayer that defined the arena shooter genre
Quack 1 & 2 still have single-player components, though, you're thinking of Quack 3
>>338175715
Why are Bloodfags so insufferable?
>>338175715
>creepy atmosphere that shits on silent hill, amnesia, skyrim many times over
Out of all the games with great atmosphere you pick those to compare Blood to. Either way I'm with you OP. Blood is easily the best Build engine shooter. You should also check out the Deathwish campaign. It's a 3 episode fan made campaign and it's fantastic. Absouletly shits on Cryptic Passage for Blood.
>>338179309
BLOOD ISNT BUGGY
>>338177979
Douk > Doom > SW = Blood > Doom 2
>>338179404
Doomfags are far worse.
>>338177979
Where's ROTT, fagarino
>>338176220
Crime of the century.
Dosbox is passable though.
>>338179603
* > Doom 2
Hold the fuck up. I re-played both Doom 1 & 2 a month ago, and Doom 2 is vastly superior. Most of the levels in Doom 1 are like a tutorial in comparison. I can deal with your opinions on everything else, but having motherfucking Doom 2 as worst is full retard.
>>338179852
Those awful city levels are enough to make Doom 1 the better game.
>>338179852
Most of 2's levels are pure dogshit. I replay Doom every year, among other fps', but when I get to Doom 2 I can't bother to play after Dead Simple.
>>338179852
Doom 2 has horrible level design. Being harder than Doom doesn't make it automatically better, it's all teleports and monster closets.
>>338179801
rott is really, really shit
i don't see what anyone saw in that game
it ran on the wolf3d engine ffs
>>338175715
Duke and Shadow Warrior are better and funnier
>>338180132
Duke has too many hitscan enemies.
Shadow Warrior is on par with Blood but Duke is shit.
>>338179974
the existence of hell knights are enought to make Doom 2 the better game
>>338175715
overrate much? music was decent though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LV9D1aFclg
>>338180252
>Duke is shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82E7vhtLxNs
>>338175715
SOURCE CODE WHEN
>>338180132
>90s pop-culture mish-mash & ANCIENTU CHINESEU SECRETU are funnier than quasi-satanic undead killing eachother in a dark as fuck atmosphere
Stop the fucking presses.
>>338175715
okay im starting to believe that shills are real and OPs really are some butthurt devs who want easy money. theres no way this was genuine.
>>338180423
>implying they even have the source code anymore
It wouldn't surprise me if they "lost" it years ago.
>>338175715
played it. didn't finish for some reason.
>>338179000
Witnessed
>>338180456
I don't monolith is shilling their nearly 20 year old game friend
>>338180286
>Reskins
>Making anything better
Revenants are great, mancubi are great, hell knights and meatball demons are disgusting.
>>338180456
>shilling for a 19 year old game that has a fanbase full of people with a hateboner for atari
Don't be retarded.
>>338179706
this. doom wasn't even that influential.
>>338175715
>skyrim
>creepy
You have to be at least 18 to post here.
All these scrubs hating on Doom 2 can't play for shit.
>>338180614
it's the balance really
anytime I encounter a baron in quarters in doom one and I don't have the supershotty the game stops pretty hard
>>338175715
>>level design shits on doom, half life, thief, deus ex, dark souls, tony hawk's pro skater 3 many times over
It doesn't shit on Doom, Doom 1 except for Thy Flesh Consumed is as good as non-vertical level design can get in an FPS period.
>creepy atmosphere that shits on silent hill, amnesia, skyrim many times over
Doom 64 is way creepier, but Blood is more of a horror comedy which makes it very unique and fun.
>diverse and deliberately chosen for fun weapon selection with alternate firing modes that shit on doom, duke 3d, half life, serious sam, painkiller (flare gun to light stuff up, tnt, proximity tnt, voo doo doll, best shotgun feel of any game and many more)
Serious Sam has the best weapon balance in all of video games ever.
Blood is awesome, though.
>>338180252
>pigcops and enforcers
Wow, it's fucking nothing. Meanwhile evil ninjas and cultists are peppering you with bullets at a distance that makes Chaingunners envious. Not to mention ninjas/cultists having multiple ranks, many of which have explosives that one shot you.
>>338180724
>doom wasn't even that influential
>>338176784
>Works fine for me :^)
Does anyone know where I can get a version of this badboy that actually works properly? My old disc from way back when vanished when I moved house.
>>338180841
It's not hard, it's just plain bad. Levels have zero flow and when you're not teleporting all over the place you're killing dozens of enemies Serious Sam style except without anything that actually makes Serious Sam good.
>>338180724
>doom wasn't even that influential.
neo-/v/ wasn't real, they said
>>338180724
>doom wasn't even that influential.
>>338180954
it wasn't really. wolfenstein popularized fps. doom ddin't really do much of anything. and system shock is straight up a better game around the same time. it was the halo of its day.
>>338181226
>doom ddin't really do much of anything
Doom Engine or BUILD?
>Doom / Heretic / Hexen / Strife
vs
>Duke / Shadow Warrior / Blood / Redneck Rampage
>>338181378
what did it do?
>>338181410
Build by far.
I tried a bit of heretic and it was boring as fuck.
redneck rampage was also fairly boring
>>338181410
I always think hexen and heretic are the same game. what's the difference?
>>338181578
>what's the difference?
Everything.
>different setting / world
>different gameplay (class based, hubs, backtracking vs Fantasy Doom)
>different items, weapons, enemies, etc
Even though Hexen is the sequel to Heretic, the only connection is the story. Even then it's only connected through the series' villains, the Serpent Riders.
>>338181578
One is a Doom clone with a medieval theme (heretic). The other is a weird metroidvania with dark fantasy (hexen)
>>338181578
Hexen is set in a different dimension to Heretic with a serpent rider mentioned in Heretic being the antagonist or whatever, who the fuck even cares about the story.
Hexen is sort of sequel to Heretic, building up the mechanics, having three classes to choose from and having the trademark horrible Raven "press the button and spend ten minutes wondering what the fuck it did" level design, except it's a feature.
>>338179036
>isn't quake's focus the multiplayer
If I would judge the overall focus I would say 75% went towards singleplayer with only 25% going to multiplayer. With Quake 2 it was 50/50. Further, Quake 3 has gone 99% multiplayer with 1% singleplayer.
>>338178464
Duke Nukem 3D is absolutely fantastic but that was the first FPS I actually played, rather than just slap my hand across the keyboard, so I'm obviously speaking with heavy bias. I replayed it recently thanks to Megaton release and I had a blast but again, that could be nostalgia. Shame that the multiplayer is unplayable, even in a fucking LAN. Seriously, how do you fuck it up this bad?
The only thing I'd throw out was that stupid 3-4 button lock combinations that most of the time had no explanation and were pure trial and error.
Someone who's not nostalgiafagging over a game they last played 15 years ago, tell me how this is.
>>338181410
>God Tier
Doom, Hexen, Duke
>Great Tier
Heretic, SW, Blood
>Good Tier
Strife
>Shit Tier
RR
>>338181410
Douk, ???
Ranger, Some guy from Strife?, Corvus?
Chex Quest waffle, Cleric
Doomguy
>>338179036
quake was revolutionary in multiplayer at its time, thanks to its netcode and making multiplayer gaming a possibility for the masses.
as for gaming, it's a very good sp game rather than a mp one.
>>338181917
one of the first " LOL SO RANDOM " Basically DUEK NEUKEM
>>338175715
Loved Blood back in the day. Have not managed to find a version on modern OS's that allows for 1:1 mouselook.
>>338181996
>???
Security Officer from Marathon.
>Some guy from Strife
That's BJ motherfucking Blazkowicz.
>Corvus
Yes.
>>338181824
Do you have a goldfish memory span? Four two position button combinations are grade school tier.
I agree with OP.
I just played and finished both BLOOD + the fan-made DeadWish expansion for the very first time ever, just couple months ago, and it was sweet.
Definitely much more enjoyable shooter than fucking D44M.
I wonder if the system shock remake will be any good.
>>338182278
It won't. It's being made for faggots who can't handle dated controls even with the enhanced edition.
>>338181410
Build is an amazing engine. First time playing Shadow Warrior a couple of years ago I felt that it actually had more advanced features and mechanics than most modern shooters, or at the very least it used them way better. Also its voxel use was comfy.
The only problem is heavy Y axis warp when looking up and down. You don't really need to do it much but it can give headaches when not using a source port.
>>>338175715
>tony hawk's pro skater 3
Just what?
>>338175715
>creepy atmosphere
When will this meme end? Horror movie motifs in a tongue-in-cheek action game do not a creepy atmosphere make.
Also,
>level design shits on DOOM
I disagree. I prefer the more abstract level designs that allow for more creative arrangements as opposed to Blood's more modern level designs, although both are certainly great.
>>338180724
>>338181475
>>338181226
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A4-SVUHQYI
Watch this, newfriend
>>338177979
DOOM>Blood=Duke>the rest
>>338180949
>pigcops and enforcers
The problem is that these fuckers are EVERYWHERE, and do way too much damage that is pretty much unavoidable.
Besides, the design of most levels don't give you much chance for cover, meaning that you eat the damage while tossing rockets and shotgun shells at the pigs and battlelords, and then have to scrounge for more.
Despite running at the same speed and having fantastic map design, Douk isn't nearly as fun as Doom because it lacks all of the intricacies of dodging and movement because the enemies are so shit. Pity because many of the maps, especially those that Levellord did, are so damn good.
>>338183114
>The problem is that these fuckers are EVERYWHERE,
You've played SW and Blood right? Because those two are far, far worse in this regard.
>>338179487
tried everything to install. didnt run
>>338181410
I feel like Build Engine games generally have less enemies than Doom and have way more hitscanning ones, so I'm gonna go with the idtech1 engine.
Don't get me wrong, both are great, I just find Doom's style of gameplay more fun since it requires less thinking
>>338180990
steam
>>338175715
>2016
>not playing grezzo 2
what kind of ponce are you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38EiXZAUBJo
>>338175715
It's mediocre at best and pales in comparison to Doom, Duke 3D, and Quake. It's better than Doom 3 at least, I'll give it that.
>>338183353
Make sure you have bmouse downloaded. I had the same problem.
>>338175715
Blood has always been trash. Doom is miles ahead of it in every regard that you stated and more. If you want a good Build game skip Duke and go for Shadow Warrior
>>338183532
>stolen levels and weapons
>good
It was fun the first few levels, but quickly got boring.
Blood has been basically ported to duke3d. http://m210.duke4.net
I've only beaten Blood CM.
Dosbox just feels too weird for me
Looking forward to Kaiser's work though.
I tried using XL but could never manage to get it working
>>338183738
I'd rather wait for Kaiser to finish BloodEX.
>>338175715
>Basically, you've not experienced gaming if you've not played Blood.
Mein Negger
>>338183203
Well, in those two games, the ninjas and cultists take much less damage to kill than the pigs or enforcers, so they are much more tolerable to kill. Killing a pigcop feels like a slog because they usually take 3-4 shotgun blasts, and you have to deal with two or more at a time usually.
In Blood or SW the ninjas and cultists go down very quickly despite being able to do tons of damage, creating some balance. Plus, there is a better variety of opponents and more explosive/power weapons available in both titles, so killing the hitscan dudes over and over feels like less of a slog.
>>338182916
something being popular doesn't mean it's necessarily influential.
>>338175715
I like Blood as much as the next guy, but there's liking a game and then there's being a total faggot about it. Guess which one you are.
Who /doom64/ here?
>>338184117
The video tells you in which ways it was influental you dense fuck.
>>338183637
didnt work :(
>>338184091
But that's wrong. Pigcops, and Enforcers, die to two shotgun shots every single time. they're also slow as shit while ninjas and cultists are lightning quick.
>>338184285
should've said innovative instead of influential. which it wasn't very.
>>338180724
Top bait, good job.
>>338181410
They're all fucking great, except for Redneck Rampage. Fuck that game.
>>338175715
At least elaborate when you make such outrageous statements.
>Skyrim
>creepy atmosphere
What the actual fuck?
>>338184091
Cultists are way more bullshit than the pig cops, though I can't say anything one way or the other about SW as I haven't really played it; the reaction and range of Cultists makes them way more annoying than pig cops, who take a second to take aim on you. Much easier to use cover to your advantage against pig cops, while Cultists are up your asshole the second you make line of sight.
>>338185021
This thread is full of influenced games
>>338181987
>forgetting elder god tier: chex quest
Reminder that Lo Wang has the most destructive arsenal of them all and could win with the Ripper Heart alone.
>>338175715
>look guys I played a really old game for 5 minutes and it is soooo much better than new games XD
You know that kid in youtube comments who always say ''I am 12 and I apologize for modern music. Old music is so much better ^-^''
Thats you right now.
>>338186995
This, holy fuck there's so many posers on /v/ now trying to act cool and retro since Doom 2016 came out
Dont care, not playing any game at 480p or whatever the fuck this runs at.
>try Duke 3d Megaton edition and Shadow Warriors Redux
>mouse feels really weird
>change options, lock and unlock framerate
>still weird
>>338175715
from your post i can see you've never played quake
blood doesn't stay strong throughout unfortunately
blood's shotgun is fucking amazing
>>338184126
>tfw doom 64ex crashes whenever i try to save
Might as well marathon the game then
>>338187694
The V-sync in Megaton is what makes the mouse feel off on mine, try turning it off.
>>338179000
trips of truth
