Why do so many controllers use a criss cross button??
Now that the dust has settled, can we all agree that the dualshock is perfect, and the standard for all controllers?
>>338175073
shit sticks lmao
>>338175073
No you dickhead
>>338175073
>the snes controller rip off is the standard for all controllers
>>338175073
Absolutely
imagine liking the gamecube controller. the buttons feel cheap as fuck
>>338174718
its simple and memorable
same as colours, letters and shape.
PS got it right because shapes and colours are universal where letters are not.
>>338174718
Because "ABC" and "XYZ" are the most recognizable strings of the alphabet.
For the playstation, specifically, O and X are synonymous for yes and no in Japan (and a pentagon button to continue the shapes pattern would be strange as well).
>>338174718
>criss cross
To make you jump, jump.
>>338175385
That's part of the charm. If you think they were crap you should see the ones they made for the wii u. They're even cheaper.
>>338175441
But they're not universal on controllers. X has a very different position on da than anywhere else.
>>338175073
Definitely
>>338175441
>shapes are universal where letters are not.
I didn't realize that letters weren't composed of line segments.
The fact that a Japanese company used the latin alphabet proves you're full of shit.
>>338175584
'cause inside out is wiggity wiggity wiggity whack.
>>338174718
B not being where A is on the SNES controller has always bothered me, even as a kid, just felt wrong
Sorta like triangle being used a lot for backing out in ps1 and ps2 days
>>338175441
>letters are not universal
>even though all the original letter-based controller designs were done by the Japanese, one of the few major languages which doesn't use the Latin alphabet
Really?
>>338176343
It irritates me to this day that Nintendo controllers have A to the right.
I guess if you're Japanese and used to reading text right to left there's some sense to it, but still
>>338175073
fuck yeah
>>338175073
Tied between 360 and One for me, I like the 360 triggers more but One has the superior dpad
Also
Dualshock1,2,3 >neo dual shock 3> 4
>>338175073
Maybe for console plebs
>>338176880
How would run and move the camera at the same time using a steam controller in a souls game?
>>338175073
No, the triggers are shit
>>338175441
>shapes and colours are universal where letters are not.
>Japan kept using circle to mean confirm and cross to cancel
>America kept doing the opposite
best controller reporting in
>>338177020
>playing souls
>>338177020
By mapping run to one of the extra buttons on the back.
>>338176880
>here's your controller, bro
>>338176880
there's a reason no one uses that piece of shit
>>338177063
i remember a lot of early ps2 games had triangle as cancel for some reason
>>338175073
the only good thing about the ds/ds2/ds3 were the face buttons. they feel even better than nintendo face buttons. everything else about the controller is pure shit, especially the d-pad, the joysticks and its pitifully small size.
>>338177020
Bind X/A/bottom button to right grip
Which you should be doing anyway, there's a reason modern action games don't put the dodge/roll/sprint on a face command anymore and it's because the player shouldn't HAVE to do a doofus claw-grip maneuver to execute such a timing-critical command by giving up camera control
who /duke/ here?
>tfw there's a QTE sequence when you're playing on Nintendo system
>>338176880
This thing just feels too awkward in the hand compared to other controllers.
I love the idea of it, but the overall design sucks.
>>338177063
Cool story here :
The placement of circle and cross were meant to mirror A and B on the SFC Controller. When brought over to the US, the American side of Sony wanted so badly to differentiate themselves from Nintendo that they mandated the switch for every hame they could, so that the button where B was would be select, and the one where A was would be cancel.
Now they just look like idiots.
>>338175073
Of the three I've used, they feel like they're made for tiny asian toddler hands.
>>338177519
What's the problem?
>>338177535
Once you get used to its ergonomics you can never go back to sticks, though.
I played TfD with it for like 2 months and later went back to Bayo and kept trying to jump by clicking the left stick. It's irritating as fuck not being able to jump with the same finger you use to move but you never realize it until you get into the SC.
>>338176880
>here's two touch pads to move and look
>instead of more buttons or a dpad, here's a stick because why the fuck not
>>338177519
your small time
>>338175073
+1
Dualshock 4 is a downgrade in my book. You have to grip it with your whole hand which sucks, and muh concave/vex hybrid analog sticks slip out from under my thumbs way worse than the old controller's sticks ever did
OP: learn the difference between a cross shape and the letter X for minimal plebbage
>>338177710
Button order is different
>>338176880
Can you use this with stuff outside of steam? Like emulators?
It's x. For execute.
>>338177752
The stick is shit, it was a late addition for worthless scrubs who couldn't move with the left pad like they were supposed to.
The left stick still makes a passable D-pad though. Not as good as the original 4-button design but still not terrible
>>338175073
Yeah pretty much
>>338177394
I loved this thing, wish some company would make a version of this but to work on ps4, Xbox one and PC.
>>338177863
No, it has been the same since the SNES, baring the Cube and N64 which had very clearly different shapes to their buttons.
Playstation kids are old enough to post here... sad times.
>>338177887
It can be used on any application launched through Steam, including non-Steam shortcuts like emulators.
>>338177947
Fuck off lovepon
>>338176880
Literally the greatest buyer's remorse in all my gaming life.
This controller is a piece of trash. Valve made it to be able to work like a mouse, as a result it's not the best device to play EITHER controller games or keyboard and mouse games.
>>338178105
Nintendo was always a secondary system to me and while Dualshock has it's own buttons, Xbox controller has the same ABXY but backwards. I've played SMW2 recently and there's an optional QTE sequence. I lost every time.
>>338177960
No one to blame but themselves, they wanted to try something new and then backpedaled, shows insecurity
![D-Pads[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/beCD6fZ.jpg "D-Pads[1].jpg")
Why do controllers still have the steering cross
>>338178361
It's good for menus
It's necessary for 2D games
>>338174718
I guess you only need one button to play a nintendo game but the memecube is still full retard.
Why has controller innovation stagnated /v/? No one is willing to deviate from the dual shock/xbox design
>it works for all the games
Those games are designed for those controllers, no shit they work.
>>338178427
>It's necessary for 2D games
I wouldn't call it necessary at all. I play pretty much all 2d games with a joystick these days. Feels just as good as a d-pad ever did.
>>338178361
They're treated like 4 more buttons, outside of fighting games.
dpad existence is dependant solely on fighting games, otherwise it would have been turned into actual buttons by now, also it takes less space.
>>338178563
Because when Nintendo does it, everyone is shitting on it.
>>338175073
1-3? No. 4? It's passable. I like the tocuh pad more than a thought i would even if all games just use it as a big select button.
>>338178738
>>338178698
leave my d-pad alone
>>338175610
>That's part of the charm
Nintendo-fags are now defending shit as "part of the charm"
>>338178563
Ain't broke don't fix it
Nintendo hasn't caught on to this for years
>>338178897
It's a feature™
>>338178563
What improvement do you propose?
I used to think the GC controller was good until I picked up competitive Melee, Jesus Christ who thought up that awful button layout
>>338176676
It does make sense considering Nintendo is a japanese company. To modify it to be the opposite for EU/NA would just cause more headaches down the road adapting games
>>338175385
Hated the z button, c stick and the midget pad.
>>338178496
>not thinking the gamecube controller is GOAT
Stay pleb
>>338178930
So why didn't we stop with the nes controller then?
>>338174718
Dualshock: 2>4>1>3
Xbox: 360>One>S>DUKE
Nintendo: Snes>Pro WiiU>GC>Nes>N64>gamepad>wiimote
Sega: MD (6)> Multi> Saturn (jap)=satrun (usa)>MD (3)> MS>Dreamcast
Top 5: 360>2>Snes>MD (6)>gamecube
>>338179075
Something capable of playing Descent.
>>338179357
Corners
>>338179457
>What is a flightstick
My perfect controller:
>Gamecube joysticks
>Dual Shock 2 face buttons
>SNES d-pad
>360 ergonomics, bumpers and triggers
>>338175073
Yes.
Xbox controller switching the analog and D-Pad is stupid.
>>338178563
Xbox one has trigger rumble and ps4 has the touchpad, sensor and the useless speaker from the wii, third party controllers have buttons in the back of the controller
I don't see what more you could add to something that doesn't need that much change, better off just using m and keyboard if you want more buttons, k and m haven't evolved much either and those work flawlessly still
>>338174718
>Kriss Kross button makes you jump
>>338179591
Still leaves out several axis of control. You should be able to play it the same way you'd play an arena shooter.
>>338175073
>sticks on bottom
Lel no, sticks belong above other buttons.
>>338179357
Because it wasn't that good
>>338178330
Well, they were really trying to sell the mouse-trackpad concept more than anything.
>>338175073
The xbone controller is about as good as a controller can be
>>338179682
I'd like to clarify that by "Gamecube joysticks" I mean two of the primary gamecube joystick. throw that c-nipple shit in the trash.
>>338179927
>buttons on the strick control up down, left right, with stick movement controling yaw and pitch
I did this shit back in the 90's where were u at friendo
>>338179737
>Xbox controller switching the analog and D-Pad is stupid.
How to detect a newfriend sonygger.
>>338178284
That comes from being uneraged, I guess. Nintendo systems are the standard, as they came before Sony systems.
>tfw 360 is still king
>>338180196
Now select weapons, fire both primary and secondary fire, and use afterburner, all without having to move your hand.
Also you left out roll.
>>338178275
Once you get used to gyro fine aiming, left-pad move+jump and get settled into a set of bindings you like, it's better than KB/M for most PC games.
The only games I don't prefer it to KB/M for are games like Civ that play like fancy spreadsheets or MMOs with eleventy-billion commands.
>>338179682
So the Wii U pro contorller, but with zr and zl as analog triggers?
>>338180326
>stiff ass face buttons
>stupidly large deadzone
>worst dpad ever made
no thanks.
>>338180194
>not smooth curves
It's gonna be a bumpy ride, folks
>>338180332
I know realize i never played the game with roll.
I should replay those games some day.
>>338180517
Literally perfection
>>338179457
Descent on SC (theoretical bindings, I never tried it)
Left pad moves and strafes
Right pad adjusts look
Gyro control adjusts elevation and roll
>>338179869
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=010KyIQjkTk
>>338180792
think u got a different controller than me bub
>>338180709
Also you left out either climb or forward (depending on what you meant by up)yeah descent is fucking great
>>338180914
Might work.
>>338177394
duke masterrace reporting
>>338181086
It actually seems FAIRLY intuitive; using controller pitch to elevate isn't perfect but it isn't terrible either. Using controller roll (not yaw, you can toggle it) to roll seems extremely intuitive as long as you don't expect it to be 1:1 mapped and use it as a roll-rate throttle
Beyond "shoot gun" and "shoot missiles" I don't remember what else you could DO in Descent though
>>338175073
Why do sonyggers always say this?
>>338180306
>its first so it will be the standard forever
Maybe you should evolve you fucking nintendrone ape
>>338180998
Pleb detected
>>338181369
Select gun and select missiles, also afterburner in 2. There's also a dedicated mine drop button, for multiplayer.
>>338181502
They did invent the standard for which all modern controllers follow. All that was added was handles, control sticks, and extra shoulder buttons. Strip those and you have a SNES controller
>there are people out there that play car games with m+k
>>338181732
Okay, so what I said before, plus
L2 missiles
L1 + stick select missiles
R2 gun
R2 + stick select gun
Left grip mines
Right grip afterburner
Depending on how many gun/missiles there are you might just use left stick for gun switches and the 4 face buttons for missile switches.
