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>>338109798
bump
>>338109798
I am sitting here, bored out of my mind, waiting for the BMAH auction of dreadnaught helmet to finish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDXvhkIH1M4
>Death Knights going full fucking scourge
T-Thanks Guys
>>338110206
how many parts of the set you got so far?
>>338110404
Bracers and hands.
really thought i'd get a beta key
apparently you're more likely to get one if you don't play wow
a bunch of hearthstone players and shit got one i've heard
>milked to death
>should have finished titan
>>338110524
best of luck, i'd probably start saving up for the cryptstalker set but the price of wow tokens on EU is vicious enough to hinder me (sitting at around 85k at the moment, if i recall correctly)
Maeiv x Illidan WHEN
>>338109798
I did the 7 day trial of WoD thing. Got to level 100, did LFR and then just sat in the city watching people demand mythic level gear for even the simplest of activities. The game is just so soulless now. The spirit of fun is dead.
Pre-patch when, I want to play my fucking Demon Hunter.
>>338111012
Yeah man, lets get back to 40 man cat herding
>>338110715
At least there is still Overwatch while I wait for the release.
Stopped playing WoW right before lich king and I'm getting this itch from all this legion talk. Is it time to resub or does the game truly suck like how everyone says it does?
>>338111391
Unless you want to make bank before legion I'd wait for legion launch
im really liking how they changed the professions
most notably that theyre not garrisons anymore
unfortunately its not enough to sell me
ill definitely buy legion if legacy is confirmed though
meanwhile ill be chilling at some vanilla private server
>>338111091
I love how you faggots are so insecure about how terrible wow is now you'll talk shit about things you've never experienced at literally no provocation
>>338111061
about 13 weeks
>>338110715
same, only blizzard betas I've had was the bnet client and hots. Been playing since vanilla
>>338109798
it fuckind died with Arthas!
>>338111391
If the last time you played was TBC you will find the game unrecognizable now. It is no longer an MMO. There is no social aspect and group play has been phased out as much as possible.
>>338111629
>I got shit social skills and therefore it's the game's fault
>game has been out for over 11 years
>the majority of players still don't understand how to win battlegrounds
How is this even possible?
>>338111629
Not really true. Sure if you only stick to your garrison this is true.
But I just came back and for the past 2 weeks it's been nothing but ashran and mythic dungeons with a dash of HFC normal to gear up for mythic. Even made a few friends and found a guild to raid with.
Still a pretty shit expac, but there's plenty of social experience if you are actively looking for it.
>>338111589
>Never experienced
Nah sorry~! Started in BC, 2.3. Early WoW was a joke.
>>338111840
the public is renewed
>>338110206
cant you get the original still? I bought the shitty yellow version and the helmet still has blue eyes like a DK
What's there even to say? WoW is dead and Legion isn't going to bring anything back, not even players.
We'll see a bunch of shilling for a week and then it will die once everybody realizes it's the same shit sold with a different coat of paint. Again.
>>338111012
700 ilvl takes literally a day to get. And that's not even a joke. That's more than enough to get you into normal HFC for some tier gear.
>Felblade not baseline
>Demon Blades
>Desperate Instincts
>Squishy as fuck and weak in PvP
>Boring rotations
Demon Hunters suck dick. My interest is gone. Fuck off.
>>338111762
You don't know what you're talking about. Back in vanilla/TBC, it was actually useful to quest in a group of players. You met people while you were levelling and played together, and the game moved at a slower pace so there was time to talk.
Now levelling is so fast and pathetically easy that you just power-grind your way through it because it's so mind-numbingly boring. Then you get to max level and there's no need to talk to people to find groups for dungeons, because of LFG, which matches you with players from other servers that you will never see again. You can't argue with this. The social aspect of the game is dead.
>>338112138
>BACK IN MY DAY
I played vanilla-WoD, I know what I'm talking about you pisstaking retard
>>338112268
Fantastic counter argument, well done.
>>338112046
All these complaints yet it's exactly what vanilla nostalgiababies want
>No flying
>Neverending "world" pvp (TM&SS and Old AV put together)
Heroic dungeons are harder, just becasue you join something meant for 615 ilvl while being 720 isn't the same thing, might as well be doing ST with full Naxx gear.
>People having nostalgia over Ghostcrawler
lol
>>338112434
Yeah, your argument is just the typical copypasta of parroted nostalgia opinions, great argument, 10/10 would read again in next wow thread
>>338111391
I'd suggest looking into a few gameplay vids (both of Warlords of Draenor and Legion alpha) and seeing if you at least like the current look of the game from there.
They've made some pretty significant changes to the game since wrath, most notably being that they've trimmed the amount of abilities every class can use by a fair amount (though this counts especially for dps) so just keep that in mind.
Second, they've added in LFR to the game which you've probably heard of, which basically lets you do the easy-mode version of a raid for free gear. Perhaps not that important, but this is basically where you go to get gear (after you reach level cap, that is).
Third, they've sort of gimped the story with the whole focus that you, the player, are this massive hero who is deserving of praise at every passing moment. I'm willing to wager they're probably going to continue with this in Legion and it might upset you as it did with me, but you'll get over it for the most part if you just try and ignore it.
I might be missing a few things, but I hope this helps. Plus, like with the last expansions Legion will probably be quite casualized and easy to get into, especially for old returning players such as yourself, but I'll stress the fact that you'll probably want to look at some stuff like a raid run of hellfire citadel or some pvp gameplay before you decide on whether you'd like to come back.
>>338112675
>but this is basically where you go to get gear (after you reach level cap, that is).
If you're a retard who settles for 685 gear when a much faster and easier to obtain 700 gear is available
>>338112434
Grouping was never useful because most of the time you got some pisshole wanker who let you do most of the work. And then they roll on your fucking krol blades holy shit cunt faces.
Leveling is easier now but the games content is 90% end game so leveling was always an annoying obstacle to get to the real content.
I sure did love spamming trade for tanks and healers for 8 hours, lucky I found a group of friends fast and we ran dungeons together and it hasn't changed for me any expansion. Never had to use dungeon finders and never had to do LFR. Just get into a competent guild and you wont have your issues
>>338112583
the game is old, it's going to day in some time
>>338112138
notice you didn't mention any effort made to join guilds for do mythic raids or dungeons. like that other guy said, the social aspect is still there, it just isn't forced onto you like before. there's nothing wrong with that.
>>338112675
>LFR for gear
Common misconception. Ashran is far better than LFR for gear for a freshly capped character, so much better it's actually a fucking joke to do LFR for gear.
>>338110794
Did not get it. The horde I was against had a bunch of guildies come help him. No one in my guild helped. I /gquit
>>338112046
Oh God, all those lies in that pic.
>>338112926
>it just isn't forced onto you like before. there's nothing wrong with that
The attitude that killed MMOs, right there.
>>338112869
>>338112943
It was true for the first half of the WoD, when the best non-raid gear you could get was from LFR or from crafting.
Although, I can't argue that conquest gear is usually around 40-60 ilvls above LFR gear and usually even higher or at the same level of normal raid gear.
Tanaan threw that out the window, however.
>>338113009
You're going to see a lot more when Legion starts coming around. Millions of people are going to be fooled again.
It's why things never change. People enable this. Mods on 4chan are in Blizzards pocket so they won't do anything about it either. Used to be WoW threads were banned.
>>338113143
Tanaan can still only get you 695 with 705 upgraded. And that 695 doesn't just fall in your lap like the 700 ilvl ashran gear.
I literally got full 700 gear in a single day playing for 8 hours. And I mean FULL, weapon and all.
>>338113034
i honestly don't care. my values changed over time as i grew up and my threshold for bullshit got much lower. i'm surprised you wish things were still the same as before. nostalgia is a farce and you know it.
>been playing since vanila beta
>never get into a beta since
>look to see what kind of people get invited
>people with less then 4000 Achivement poits, ERpers, chinks
>>338113274
I'm guessing this is from you being on the stomping side of that specific Ashran battle over and over, and thus kept getting conquest boxes?
In that case, I've got nothing left to defend LFR for gear other than that it's there to get you to progress through the legendary handout quest.
>>338112138
Haha what a pathetic little manchild, you have no idea what you're talking about, when you grow up and have a family you'll understand why games aren't like when you were twelve anymore.
>>338113416
Also there to kinda force serious raiders to do LFR when there is no other valor to get for the week
>>338113457
I can't tell if this post is an ironic joke or not.
>>338113416
Conquest is 710, honor is 700. You can get 1 piece of 710 a weak from the Ashran quest however you can keep repeating it for conquest points.
But i'm discounting conquest. Pure honor is extremely easy to get even if your on the losing side (granted it is much harder.) And no side stomps forever, you eventually get debuffed to let the opposing side have a turn at free gear.
>>338113292
>my values changed over time as i grew up
In other words you stopped wanting to play an MMO, but you're also too much of a pussy to play a game where you fight against other players rather than NPCs.
>>338114062
>if you don't pvp you're a pussy
name one MMO that actually has decent pvp
I'm enjoying the beta quite a lot, but I'm also sub rogue. The damage we put out is over the top.
Am I beyond saving?
>>338114062
>im playing video games cus they make me feel like a man
aaaaah fuck off
>>338113527
>seeing dps armored to the teeth in heroic gear in LFR
>every fight is over twice as fast
I know that some of them are maybe only there for the purpose you mentioned, or to stroke their ego, but god bless them; they make LFR just slightly more bearable.
>>338114250
Holy shit so I was right. Laughing at you in real life right now.
>>338114243
>names with alt codes
kill urself my man
>>338114243
>names with á, é and all those weird ass letters
come on anon
>>338114062
>too much of a pussy to play a game where you fight against other players rather than NPCs
Christ, why do you PvP guys always think somebody is a pussy if they don't like PvP? Someone can't just not like a thing? Fuck, I used to PvP all the time and even I hate WoW's PvP.
>>338114443
im laughting at you lol
>>338114303
>healers on 6k hps
>highest dps after that tank is 3.2k
Why that person didn't leave midcombat is beyond me
>>338114445
>>338114515
It's not my fucking fault that 99% of the decent sounding names has been taken.
No one would have to do that if the game allowed last names.
Do not reply to this post with a troll post.
Is World of Warcraft fun?
>>338114062
There is no point in arguing with Blizzard employees.
>>338114604
Because everyone died and he was the only one left for 40 minutes. That's why the DPS and heals are low. The joke is that he solo'd an LFR boss.
>>338115010
it is if you find something you like in it. some people literally just play the AH and level battle pets. there's something for everyone in the game. legion is shaping up to be one of the best expansions yet (at least in terms of launch content)
>>338114303
LFR is just simply a weird environment for me
i never bothered with it until WoD
i ran highmaul with my DK
i was only 2nd-5th on the charts with just LFR entry level gear
people fuck up and die (not big deal its just LFR)and i always have my raise ally ready to battle rez them
strange thing is that i think i was the only DK who bothers to battle rez people
and of course the boss takes longer to down with less people hitting on it
are people just not aware that their classes have these utility abilities outside their rotations?
>>338114810
just think about what you're going to name your character for a while, draw inspiration from your favorite games, ponder different kinds of shit
as for last names, Wildstar tried that and made a MANDATORY switch from regular usernames to first + last name setups for your characters, and plot twist: it fucking sucked
like unless you had some specific OC in mind, you were desperately trying to pair your original username along with a last name and it just didn't work, though in the end i took some names from dawn of war 2 and those fit pretty fuckin nicely
>>338115010
Raiding is fun with a good guild. It's just really hard to find one on many servers.
>>338115192
I speak only for myself, but WoD LFR was so easy it became nothing but a chore. I died several times on purpose just so I could tab out because I knew the bosses could be 5 manned.
>tfw you've spent around 100k in the past week on auction house BoEs/crafting patterns in prep for wardrobe
>tfw you're starting to run out of bag space on all of your alts that hold all of this crap
>>338115170
>Legion
>Good
Let's see.
>Demon Hunters released incomplete with only 2 specs
>Most of the specs got gutted even further from pruning
>Random legendary drops that have a massive effect on your performance.
>Return of garrisons, a widely hated mechanic
>Switching specs is more costly than ever since you'd have to grind up all the artifact powers to even be viable.
>>338115726
>Demon Hunters released incomplete with only 2 specs
does it really need 3? dps and tank is fine.
>Most of the specs got gutted even further from pruning
some classes are fine and others are not, but we'll see how people actually like it once the picky beta whiners aren't the only ones playing them.
>Random legendary drops that have a massive effect on your performance.
only some of the items do anything, most of them are just small QoL changes.
>Return of garrisons, a widely hated mechanic
you're retarded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NjYcipCmqs
>Switching specs is more costly than ever since you'd have to grind up all the artifact powers to even be viable.
there will be catch up mechanics for other specs. obviously they're not going to lock you into one spec for the whole expansion. that would be stupid.
>>338115726
>Demon Hunters released incomplete with only 2 specs
i mean i cant really defend them for being lazy but does DH really 1 more extra dps spec?
hell it being restricted to 1 race is already a turn off for me
i understand that its being lore related shit but i just wish they didnt bother
>>338115726
if i recall correctly, blizzard announced that you wouldn't be able to use legendaries in raids so as to prevent raiders from gating fresh recruits on the grounds that they didn't get lucky enough to get RNG drops out in the world
>>338116365
they said it's restricted for like the first month for raids but they may have just said no to legendary effects in mythic dungeons/raids outright and i just didn't catch it.
>>338116450
i've yet to find concrete proof of said announcement but i'm willing to guess it's somewhere on mmo champion or something
would make sense to let us use them eventually because having a bunch of cool ass items and only being able to use them for dungeons and world quests would suck
>>338111889
one of the worst things in the world that i witness every day is when a cancer cell is absolutely infallible in their mind
>>338117784
You could lessen that burden by avoiding mirrors
Why is vanilla so fun?
tfw when Mark Kern is meeting blizzard to discuss legacy servers next week
can't believe it's actually happening, brings a tear to my eye
>>338118080
It's not
>>338118080
where can i play vanilla now that nostalrius is down?
>Use 7 Free days
>Log in to my Warrior
>Abilities are missing
>Literally 2 shot enemies
>Stat squish still has retardo large numbers
>Story is kinda neat
>Get to garrison shit
>Lose will to play
Legion looks like its kind of heading in a good direction. Fuck WoD though, there's nothing that can redeem this shit. Not one thing.
>>338118173
>Mark Kern
Hello Mark, see you trying to be relevant again.
Ooops, what is this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1tuf3c/this_is_why_mark_kern_was_removed_as_ceo_by_red_5
You changed. Theres nothing in Vanilla that isn't available in Legion to do. If you need carrots to do them like back then maybe you need a different genre.
>DHs only have 2 specs
Go ahead, come up with a "spec" that fits their lore that makes any lick of sense
They have never been casters or healers so...
>>338118292
ayyy lmao
>>338116703
The big fear is that people will be gated out of content because big guilds will only take characters with X legendary. On one hand I see how some people would get upset, but on the other, I guess people should grind for it? It's a weird area because its not like in Vanilla where you can look at a guy and say "Wow he really worked hard for that", considering its just world drop rng, from what I understand
If I have a tepid interest in playing Legion, should I try warlords before it's over? I already bought it but never played it.
>>338118348
kronos II; it's decent but nost had less bugs.
>>338116703
>>338118764
They've yet to properly announce how you will acquire the legendary gear though, so it's only speculation now, especially that "grinding mobs" talk
>>338118846
nope it's so bad i cant even
Video games
As someone who redeemed the free 7 days and played all the way up till WoD but none of it at all, fuck no. It's utter trash. The story is only the somewhat redeeming factor, and I say that from playing maybe an hour. I'm pretty sure they fuck it up half way through or something anyway
I stopped playing WoW in very early Cataclysm. TBC and WoTLK were some of my favorite gaming memories of all time and I loved them to death, even though they severely impacted my life for the negative. I came back in WoD because someone convinced me the game was supposed to be good again. It wasn't. It was terrible. Everything I loved about the game was dead and gone.
But, I am excited for Legion. The problem with WoD was it replaced all the stuff that made WoW good with nothing (idk, maybe they did it in cata and MoP, I'm not sure). Legion looks likes it's taking some large steps in making the game rewarding for people who want more than just raiding. Also I am actually a fan of the ability pruning. I played a shaman and warrior in the past and warrior looks ok but shaman looks awesome.
I just hope there is more to do and it is actually challenging and rewarding. My best memories and favorite thing in TBC and WoTLK was always the heroic dungeons, even though I was in a top 10 world guild. The dungeons, to me, are the life blood of the game and WoD was drained of all of it.
>G-guys why are we losing millions of subs?!
>Well I dunno boss we only took everything out of the game which made it differentiate from Farmville
God I hope Legion fixes this trainwreck. How did this fucking happen, like weren't some of the lead vanilla devs working on this shit? I know some of them abandoned ship right at the end of the project, but were their voices not heard or did they fuck it up?
>>338120547
Gee, has nothing to do with being a 12 year old game, nope.
>>338120547
>the lead desingner from bc quitted after 3 months of development
He literally quitted because it was shit.
>>338120809
Say all you want, but the game was at least playable before WoD. It's been declining since WoTLK but it hit the lowest point of ass in WoD. I'm fucking addicted and I cant play it. They literally killed the addiction
>>338118374
and look at how firefall's player count dropped by 90% when he left and they changed it all
>>338122303
Not sure what you're trying to say or imply
>>338120547
sadly Legion removes even more stuff from the game. I don't know how much longer they can survive on this trajectory.
>>338122452
Ability bloat isn't always a good thing
Also, warriors seem to have MORE buttons, compared to current arms which has less abilities than a hunter pet.
>>338118853
thankyou
>>338118625
>Go ahead, come up with a "spec" that fits their lore that makes any lick of sense
Cuck: a DPS spec that focuses on fueling their hatred for damage. Plus it even fits with the lore.
>Illidan got cucked by Malfurion
>Lady Vashj cucks Illidan with Kael'thas
>Akama cucks Illidan with Maiev
>Demon Hunters gets cucked by society
See fits very well
>>338124525
Their weapon of choice is already in the game as well
>He did nothing wrong
>>338125031
He was out-memed by the troll bro xd memers.
>>338124769
>warrior and paladin weapon
figures
Today I dreamt of being a rogue in vanilla. I wore in full t2, wielded claw of the black drake in my right hand and thunderfury in my left one. I was a guildmaster of a large, loyal guild that would always have people online willing to camp alliance raids in blackrock mountain or destroy people in portal room of ironforge or have fascinating duel tournaments.
I woke up angry as fuck.
>>338115010
It used to be, but not anymore.
>>338125031
>Orc War Hero from Draenor gets forced into a position of power
>Runs the Horde like an Orc War Hero from Draenor would
>Everybody's shocked and appauled
I dunno what Thrall expected to happen
>>338125197
>wielded claw of the black drake in my right hand and thunderfury in my left one
scrub.
>>338125197
you think you do but you don't
>>338125525
>MH'ing thunderfury
scrub
>>338122768
>each class gets gajillion of generic abilities that other classes already have, or generic damage spells with different visuals/animations
>woops guys, we have too many abilities, it's bad! we want our game to be like MOBA after all!
>remove all the old abilities that gave flavor to the game
Wards, mana gems, eyes of the beast, blood parasites, necrotic strike and for fucks sake half of the abilities left are only available to their respective "specs".
>want shatter as fire mage? lol no
>want evocation as frost mage? nah
who the fuck ever deemed this to be a good idea
>>338125609
>he uses claws and a sword and calls me a scrub
>mrw
>>338125713
Literally combat claw spec, 5% crit all the way
Or hemo :^)
Daggers are only good to fuck up clothies before they can even react, and shanker is a bit weak for that. Plus fuck that cc-breaking proc man.
Every class is being pruned down to about 4 to 6 brainless abilities that all do the same general shit, including "hero" classes like demon hunters.
Blizzard does this in the name of class identity (whatever that means) while getting rid of stuff like creating potions as rogues, collecting souls as warlocks and using ammunition or feeding your pet as hunters.
>>338125912
>Daggers are only good to fuck up clothies before they can even react
That's all I did as a rogue, it was the most fun thing ever.
I wish I could say Legion will kill this game, but it has been dead for a long time
>no social aspect required
>everything is done with a one-click tool
>worlds are rail-roaded theme park rides
>everyone gets a participation trophy game design philosophy
>nothing is difficult, just grindy
>writers clearly stopped caring about suspending the disbelief of the player
>2 million players, half of which are Chinese or robots
>the vision of what the game should be changes every expansion
>
>>338125701
I honestly wish they'd move further in the direction of mobas
make all of the main combat abilities feel meaningful and then fill up the rest of the spellbook with stuff to help with RP and class identity, bring back shit like divine intervention
hitting a target dummy shouldn't be hard
>>338126080
I am at an absolute loss for words with what they're doing regarding the prune. Are they genuinely trying to kill their own game? This shit looks even worse than WoD, which I never thought would have been possible. It's just not going to be possible to enjoy playing a game with 2 button dps "rotations" on every class.
>>338126167
Yeah, too bad it only really shines against mages though. Against all other classes you're better of with CC hemo provides.
>>338118853
What's the main difference between Kronos 1 and 2? Just different servers like Nost PvE/PvP?I probably won't play on Kronos or any private server for a while anyway just in case Legacy servers do happen, but I'd like to know.
>Affliction Warlocks only have 2 DoTs
>They spend most of their time spamming a direct damage ability
fucking lol
>>338126664
Back to the vanilla :^)
Now to reintroduce a debuff limit so you couldn't even use the dots
>>338126737
But downranked shadowbolt spamming was so hardcore!
DELETE THIS
>>338120964
Same shit with me f@m. I've played WoW since vanilla, and even though it became pure shit, I still played it because it was the game I once loved. Because it was still WoW at the end of the day, but I literally cannot stomach the thought of logging in right now and seeing my garrison and clicking the table. It's no longer an MMO. It's barely even a fucking game anymore.
>>338112076
1-100 is harder then getting gear in WoW
>>338127218
1-100 can be done in less than 10 hours.
>>338109798
How do I farm enough gold to be able to play this game for free? I've got about 100k from working the AH but given the prices on all the high volume markets (WoD crafting mats) are tanking, I really don't want to invest in the AH right now.
>>338127478
Have a garrison, have a lv3 salvage yard, do missions, sell transmog items.
>>338127478
Cata 25 heroic raids
more characters the better
>>338127478
>>338127601
Do this but have 10+ characters with maxed garrisons with max ilvl followers, and then quit the game because of how disgusted you will become with the garrison.
>>338127601
I've got a garrison but I've heard the gold missions are getting removed with the legion prepatch, so I've got like 8 weeks to realistically accomplish anything and I question how profitable it will really be.
>>338127624
Already on this, I'm at 675 iLvl and 25H Firelands was pretty straightforward except for the fucking spider. I plan to do this weekly but I've only got one 100 ATM, though I have a 90 I could level up. I was going to try and get Draenor flying before doing that but given how tedious that achievement seems I think I'm just going to tough out leveling on foot a second time.
>>338127478
Fill account with multiple paladins/dks and farm cata raids easily. Spend a day capping characters. They are the fastest to level since q times for tanks/heals are nothing. They also bypass mechanics in those raids and can do them easily at 670ilvl. Also do satchel runs with tanks and healers 500-600g per run and tank satchels are very frequent and give welfare account bound apexis gear
>>338127874
Gold missions are irrelevant. It's transmog gear from salvage that earns the money.
>>338127717
>needing more than one character
This is yet another reason why FFXIV shits all over WoW.
>>338127478
get a good set of scavenger and treasure hunter followers. you can recruit specific traits with your tavern
if max out all the resource missions you will cap your resources like once a week, use the trading post to buy mats that sell from the vendor, just wait for the vendor with the best price to show up.
the gold missions are just extra income that can be around 1k a day or more on average
you could also grind transmog gear which is what all those gold farming streamers are doing
>>338128150
What's the point of paying for a game and not experiencing all aspects in the game? Plus it's so stupidly easy to hit cap in wow now. Last week I capped and filled char lists on tich and malganis just for the fuck of it.
>>338111840
You would be surprise at the amount of new players WoW actually attracts.
>>338128002
I'm not sure how I feel about the transmog market, but I'll give it a shot. It's such a broad market that it takes months to move any individual item, you've got to have a character dedicated to relisting hundreds of items to pull in a consistent income.
I am on an RP-PVP server though so they might move faster. Considering moving to Wyrmrest Accord, which I imagine would be even better.
>>338127295
Getting 700 Gear can be done in less than 5 hours.
>>338128297
In XIV one character can play as all classes.
In WoW, you have to not only make a new character to play as a new class (that your race can already play as), but you have to reobtain all flight paths, reobtain all attunements, you cannot use soulbound gear (read: shit you've already obtained once) on one character for your other characters, and a slew of other total horseshit.
>>338128450
700 gear is complete garbage.
>>338128397
>new players
Nope, bg players are 90% bots.
>>338127295
I don't believe that, unless you have the money for constant XP pots or are using RAF. Draenor alone took me like 6 hours, with full heirlooms.
>>338128513
>700 gear is garbage
get 700 gear then bitch to someone to pull you through n hfc then h hfc and now you're at 720 regretting life decisions.
>>338128656
I don't know about 10 hours but that e-celebfag Sodapoppin streamed 1-100 in a day to make a point that the game is shit.
>>338128513
Let's me kill mythic raiders that probably spent weeks/months collecting their gear :)
Gotta love that ebin scaling gear
>>338128656
You don't need constant xp pots, 2 is enough for 90-100. Just nearly complete a bunch of bonus objectives, pop a pot and turn them all in. It took me about 2 hours.
So I finally got my semi-annual 7 days of game time that blizzard always sends me.
Logged in, leveled to 100 in less then 10 hours played, within meer hours of level cap I was already doing the retarded new archimonde fight
See, this is why I don't pay for this shit anymore, the end game is just repetitive grinding for the sake of some stupid stat like ilvl that does nothing but make your numbers bigger, legacy servers when?
>>338128513
700 ilvl gets you into most h hfc pugs
>>338128671
I never understood why some normal/heroic hfc groups specifically bar anyone with pvp gear. If anything that means you are actually a smarter player taking advantage of extremely easy to get welfare gear.
>>338128721
He had 950% bonus exp using virtually every exp boost in existence in addition to queuing for dungeons with his own group of friends.
He had the best possible environment to level up fast. You can get from 1-60 in Diablo 3 in literally 40 seconds, that doesn't mean jack shit though.
>>338128656
My guild has an easier way
>Get a guildy
>Go to a dungeon
>Clear up to last boss with the leveling character logged out
>Levelling character logs in
>Kill last boss
>Get exp bonus
>log out to keep exp potion running
>get to 90 in 2-3 hours
>At 90 just collect treasures on a 280% flying mount with exp pots
>90-100 takes ~45 minutes
>>338128909
He also made the point that it's actually entirely possible for a brand new player, in fact many people already do this, to go from 15-100 without ever leaving the main city.
Good lord the game is trash now.
>>338128809
the archimonde fight is great
everything is shit during LFR though so that's the problem
>>338128921
I feel if you have the cooperation of friends you might as well use RAF, it makes 1-90 absolutely ridiculous. And you get the bonus levels to grant.
I still need to get Draenor Pathfinder (I don't mind any of it except the rep, grinding rep has always been miserable) but I'm sure that'd speed up Draenor immensely.
>>338128907
Current drood alt, i've ran normal and heroic hfc with pvp gear on only, now i have almost full set of pve gear.
>>338129046
It's pretty sad really. Hit 15 and just never move again outside of dungeons. Queue up, tab out, and wait for notification while doing other shit. :'(
>>338129142
Archi is a snorefest, he has no challenging mechanics at all until Mythic. Imperator Mar'gok >>>>>>>>>>>>> Archi, on all difficulties.
>>338129046
Questing while popping dungeons for the quest clear is objectively faster. People who only queue from dungeons in the main city are only making it boring for themselves. It's not like that's the only way to level. And if you already have a capped main there's no reason to rush.
Recently made a char without using any looms and doing only quests. It was a refreshing experience.
>>338129243
please don't tell me you thought mar'gok was a good fight
>>338129329
Mythic Imperator was easily the best boss in all of WoD.
>>338129182
Same here, but 736 HPally. I got so much shit all the time from people buttmad I was able to walk into upper HFC at like 708ilvl wearing nothing but pvp 700s and 710s
I have three level 90's and 6 days left on free pass, whats the best way to farm gold for a token? I looked at a bunch of expensive pets/mounts to farm, but it looks like they don't sell regularly, wat do?
>>338110220
I had no idea what the fuck these were when I saw images of Arthas just chilling around the Broken Isles. He says one of these lines, gives your artifact 50 power and then disappears.
The horsemen quests and some of a dialog is interesting too, especially regardingNazgrim.When you first raise him, Thassarian seems all for it, wanting any and every able spirit to fight for them. Over time, he starts to have second thoughts about raising Nazgrim from the dead since Naz goes apeshit fairly often.
>>338128907
I've tried to raid with PVP players. They are freakishly bad at PVE mechanics most of the time.
>>338129142
Doesn't matter what mode its on.
If I've seen it im done with it.
It sickens me that people defend copy pasted dungeons as 'content'
Grinding for the sake of grinding is some mobage tier game design.
>>338129294
It's the fact you can do it. With ease.
It's "faster", not by a whole lot, but questing requires more effort. Queueing for dungeons and just hitting your AoE button and one single target button requires much less mental capacity.
They should at least make players unlock dungeons. Probably another great thing about FFXIV is that it forces new players to actually go do shit like unlock dungeons and go through the story to participate in content.
>>338128809
As opposed to what exactly? The same shit but spending 20 times as long on it?
>>338129392
Depending on your gear you could try soloing 25H cata raids. Even at 90 they can be doable, though it depends on how long it would take you to do them. Usually netted me about 7-8k gold from doing all of them.
>>338129474
The reason why they made leveling so easy is because of the huge gate for new players.
It makes it hard to advertise an expac when new players will need to grind through 10+ years worth of leveling just to reach the new shit.
They even admitted that leveling is broken and the free character boost removed the previous issue of a grind wall for new players. Which means they'll probably fix it in the expansion after legion.
>>338129506
Well spending 20 times longer would keep me interested long enough to actually pay for a sub
But blizzard hates money right now, its why they're driving away all WOW players, if it wasn't for the token Im damn sure the game would be sub 1 million subs, the game is subsisting off of whales.
The worst fucking part is WOW was, is, and will be the gold standard for MMO development for the rest of time, and like collectathons and platformers and metroidvania generes of the past, new MMOs will be stuck in the realm of low budget indie.
>>338129682
They'd better fix it sooner than that or they won't have any new players at all.
>>338129368
I'm finding it very difficult to disagree with you
and that hurts me
I think it was just overcomplicated and all the other fights suffer from either having too high an emphasis on killing adds or just felt messy when even when done correctly
>>338128740
What kind of "mythic raiders" are we talking about though? Top 50 or the ones who literally killed Arch a week ago?
>>338129378
what server you on ?
>>338129708
>Well spending 20 times longer would keep me interested long enough to actually pay for a sub
Man you must fucking love mobile gaming then.
>>338129682
But leveling has been broken since Dungeon Finder was introduced. Questing has always been the best source of EXP, but people still dungeon spammed because it was just easier, especially considering how cancerous the flight path system is for new characters, let alone new players.
>>338129761
Tich.
>>338109798
just started playing today. it seems the same as any other mmo
i only play mmos with 4 of my friends so the deadness dosent bother me.
>>338129682
The bizarre thing is they already have the technology to let you do the new quest content at level 1
it would be weird from an RP standpoint but with mob scaling and gear scaling available that's really the only argument I have against it
>>338129682
If they applied the dynamic zone levels thing from Legion to the rest of the world it would make leveling so much better. I have no desire to do Hellfire Peninsula for the 5th time, whereas I blew right through MoP in like one and half zones and it was a shame because I was really enjoying it. If I could just decide to level 1-100 in whatever zones I choose leveling would actually be fun again, and I wouldn't be doing like half a quest chain before I outleveled it.
>>338129775
>decide to quest
>do 1 dungeon
>outlevel the questing area
>>338129682
in the same interview they also said that vanilla combat took too long, so don't expect any 'fix' to be more than the usual watered down casual convenience. it'll still be mind numbingly easy
>>338129773
lolno
Fuck pay 2 not wait games
Fuck, WOW is pay TO WAIT, with daily quests and queue based content being the core of the game right now.
Give me a game I can keep playing and exploring new quests and class builds and shit, WOW used to be that, its fucking farmville tier garbage now, with a warcraft skin.
>>338129682
I know that the fucking 30 hours of bullshit I had to do at level 50 in Heavensward almost made not even bother with the actual expac stuff. I don't get people that want dozens of hours of padding before they can do anything that is actually new. I mean sure, its all well and good the first time, but after that?
>>338129865
Isn't that how Legion is going to work? The zones will be whatever level and scaled to you?
>>338129896
>>338129865
They talked about possible zone scaling to allow you to stay in a zone for longer instead of leaving in the same breath as leveling being broken. This would be amazing.
>>338129914
They also talked about a 15 second combat time in quest greens. Which is more than fine compared to today's 1 shot everything combat.
>>338129965
Wow never had infinite quests. And it didn't have many build either, unless you think swapping 1 5% damage talent for another 5% damage talent was a different build. No class ever had more than 6 or 7 even remotely viable builds. And I use the term viable very loosely.
>>338130007
so far it sounds like the level scaling starts at level 100, so if you gain access to the new zones at 98 for example, the mobs would still be level 100, at least that's what it sounds like
>>338129564
Ok, thanks for the tip broski.
>>338130163
Yeah it starts at 100 regardless. You can just level anywhere from there and it will scale with you.
You can't even start legion quests until your 100 anyway.
>>338130163
I imagine it is.
>hit level 60
>have epic mount to get
>have 6 massive dungeons to do, some taking hours to complete
>Have tons of quests to finish, including various questlines
>7 Raids to do, taking weeks or months to finish each one
>millions of gear upgrades over the course of years
>hit 100
>daily quests
>farmville simulator
>8, 15 minute long dungeons
>1 raid with 4 difficulties
>the gear you get is worthless next patch
>>338130059
Zone scaling doesn't sit well with me. Your character is supposed to get stronger in MMORPGs. If everything scaled, your character will always have the same strength relative to the world with the exception of item level, in which case why have levels at all?
The problem really lies with the fact they chose to neglect how the game would progress moving forward in regards to old content. They always focused on the new expansion as if it were a new game, and didn't stop to consider how the experience would evolve prior to the new content. This snowballed into what it is today. Level 110 where none of the old content matters at all. It's like pissing on all that time and effort developers spent making it.
FFXIV for instance incorporated an ingenious level scaling system that works to let players experience content as it was and forces players to scale down to experience certain content, but you can choose to do this content without scaling down. Coupled with the fact they don't completely overhaul their classes and abilities every new patch, the vanilla experience is largely unchanged since launch. Not only that, but they force players back into the old world with new content and allow dungeons to be done when scaled down to obtain some powerful loot.
>>338113274
I went from like 590 to 680 ilvl in like 3-4 hours in one sitting.
Ashran gives you too much gear way too fast
>>338130150
I'd take 6-7 builds over 3
>>338130408
I'd like to see them rework the game again.
Another cata expansion, except remove the retarded leveling and just revamp every zone
Instead of exp level grinding, you go out do quests and gear new gear and gear upgrades that unlock harder quests with better rewards
Fuck, thats essentially what Diablo 3 is now, and thats what legion's end game is going to be, they could just do that to the entire world of warcraft and they'd fix their entire leveling problem.
>>338115241
I take it that you're the Davian Thule I saw from time to time.
>>338130605
>I'd like to see them rework the game again.
Wishful thinking. They've got all this fucking content they could improve on, so why do we have to have a new island every expansion? Why can't an expansion have you go to Azeroth, Outland, and Northrend? Have content everywhere. Make players revisit old places.
Fucking Blizzard really killed their game.
>>338130404
>>have 6 massive dungeons to do, some taking hours to complete
>>Have tons of quests to finish, including various questlines
Remember Baron 45?I do because that's how I got my Deathcharger
>>338130605
>Another cata expansion, except remove the retarded leveling and just revamp every zone
Yeah because that worked out so well the last time they did it.
>>338112076
but that sucks balls anon what about the 2 other raids (out of 3 available)?
>Wanting to make gold but the auction house is dead until Legion.
>>338130719
Because then people would bitch about just reskinning old content instead of making new content. Which they already do.
Or they would bitch about how Blizzard ruined everything by changing old things, which they also already do.
>>338115241
Last names are easier to work with then having everyone using the entire god damn ascii alternative letters.
Trying to invite äëïöüÏÖÜ to your group is fucking painful.
>>338130729
Remember 2 hour Heroic Shadow Labyrinth runs because HOLY FUCK HUGE AND HARD JUST LIKE MY COCK?
Remember Magister's Terrace and its "fuck you bring as much CC as possible" design?
Remember getting lost in Blackrock Depths, because that's just what you and your tradechat pug decided to do?
Remember the strats you had to employ for smooth and successful heroic runs, like positioning players properly for Kargath in Shattered Halls, or that bird lady boss in Mechanar?
Game used to be fuckin' A.
>>338115192
since battle-rez's are raid-wide CD's people save it for heals/tanks.
I hate faggots like you when I can't rez the tank because you were rezzing dps. (just please don't do that in an actual raid)
>>338130775
There's still group for them from time to time. There's been catch up gear since TBC, however Ashran is a whole new level of catch up..
>check how survival hunters are gonna be
>now melee spec
Guess they are destroying some classes.
>>338112138
While I did like socializing in Vanilla (especially on Nost for kill squads to clean up horde in STV), I rarely did anything in a group because it punished your exp gain.
It was painfully dumb.
>>338130979
Oh no. Survival is actually getting something that sets it apart from the other specs. Fucking blizzard.
>>338130751
The reason why it didn't work last time is 90% of the playerbase didn't give a fuck about old zones
They didn't add anything to the old zones for max level players, which is 90% of the playerbase
And BC/wrath style quest leveling is retarded
>>338130810
This is my life as well. Playing the AH is fun, grinding is not. Might just let my account run out until Legion releases and get back into it then.
>>338131005
brb rolling hunter to hit things with a stick
>>338130751
They don't need to overhaul the zones, they just need to add more shit to them.
>>338130967
Remember Heroic Botanica botanists' Death and Decay killing t5 geared parties in 2 ticks? Good times.
>>338130975
There's been atleast SOME catch-up in wotlk atleast, think cata too (quit for cata and panda).
But still, WoD breezed through raids so fast that it's like HM and BRF never happened. I already forgot how they look like, and I raided that shit.
>>338130991
If you were in a group of players who weren't retarded, leveling was faster in vanilla in a group, especially since you gained a net exp bonus for being in a group, like 10% per player, though it was divided between all players so if each player was killing a mob at the same time, you'd be getting more exp in the long run
Problem was in 5 man groups the exp would slow down as mobs didn't spawn fast enough.
>>338129448
im not defending multiple difficulties just saying that in LFR most if not all fights are boring as shit because you can ignore most mechanics and still down the boss
>>338130979
>giving melee weapons back to hunters
>"no you don't understand"
survival is going to be great for hunters for the sake of spec diversity
this might be a little radical but I think mages, warlocks and rogues could do with a talent in one of their specs (similar to glad stance) that changes their role in raiding
>>338131308
>yfw Hunters get a melee spec
>yfw no "HUNTER WEAPON" because nobody gets a new weapon ever again
>>338131267
Still couldn't give a fuck.
Raiding was fun because of the questlines, new content, and gear.
None of that shit is in WOD's endgame.
>>338131267
Funny thing about LFR is that even casuals, who it was designed for, don't even like it. Most people just straight up dread having to do it every week.
>>338131308
They need to do something for all pure DPS classes.
Cause holy shit, queue times are becoming fucking attrocious, if hybrids want to have pure DPS as an option, then give me the option to tank or heal so I don't need to wait 1-2 fucking hours for an instance
>>338131360
"HUNTER WEAPON" was retarded
glad it's gone
>>338131308
Glad stance is being removed.
>blizzard wants all major npcs for a class to hang out together
>warriors get literally no one
>Paladins only major npc died and got turned into a deathknight
they clearly didn't think things through all the way
there have been many times in my long history with wow when i have said that something or other will kill pvp, and plenty of things have harmed it but we've yet to see the deathblow... until now
its over. welcome to world of templates. we are all stat sheets in holinka's massive digital game of dungeons and dragons
>>338131492
oh look its that one guy that thought Raptor Strike was for DPS
>>338131308
I've wanted a proper tank spec for Shamans or Warlocks since vanilla. It's never going to happen but that would be fucking amazing, if I could tank on my Shaman I would never need another class.
>>338131515
>>warriors get literally no one
>Broxigar
>Grom
>Varian
>>338131308
no one plays hunter for diversity, they're played for executing your 3 button rotation while doing fucking backflips and backpedaling the entire encounter
fuck caster mobility amirite
So when's the prepatch coming and current PvP season end? Because I still need 40 wins for my vicious saddle this season.
>>338131574
>Broxigar
>That one guy that actually scratched Sargeras
>Getting a menial role as a quest giver
Just resubbed after not playing since Cata. Leveled to 100. Got to Tanaan Jurasic Park and did some shit there.
What to do next bros? Just keep doing quests and exploring here until I can queue for heroics? Also are there any guilds for good banter? I mean in your guys' experience, obviously not referring to a specific realm.
>>338131574
>Varian
so sorry for your loss
>>338112105
>squishy as fuck
yeah you clearly haven't played one or watched any gameplay with them.
>>338131694
>good banter
>in wow
enjoy getting banned for hate speech, kek
>>338131494
I know, and it's sad, but in terms of spec diversity that's fine as warrior already has two other mdps specs, i'm just giving an example
>>338131539
I think we've misunderstood each other, I disliked hunters rolling on every single weapon they could use
>>338131615
Maybe this might attract some new hunters?
>>338131515
DKs may have gotten their 8-year old starting area as a class hall but man, they get the best followers. Nazgrim alone is amazing. Seriously considering maining DK for Legion.
>>338131557
>I've wanted a proper tank spec for Shamans
Shaman tanking back then was a meme and you know it
>>338131676
Didn't the retarded chronicle retcon Brox doing that anyways?
...How the fuck is Brox even in our time?
>>338131802
for real
every time i was ever in a guild i thought was having some "good" guild chat banter someone had to start talking about child rape
>>338111598
>>338110715
The only ones that get invites on a reliable basis are people who know GMs or people working for blizzard in some form or way. Not that blizzard gives a flying shit about their beta knowing they've probably put the EU beta servers in the US again
>>338112046
>I know what vanilla nostalgia people want despite not knowing what nostalgia people want
let me spell it out for you fucktard, they want vanilla WoW back the fact that nostalrius became as popular as it did in a short a timespan as it did proves that there's definitely a demand for it just that blizzard is too retarded to realize a good financial opportunity when it's thrown in their face. World PvP was dead in vanilla when battlegrounds started picking up in popularity, the only exceptions would be the plaguelands with the scarlett crusade elite spot for farming and the occasional tarrenmill/crossroads fights.
Gimme Vanilla and I'll play WoW again, despite the long grind from 40 to 60 where quests dry up, despite raiding being a chore of farming 7 hours for consumables for 4 hours of naxx, despite raiding being 20 people doing their job and 20 people being dead weight. Despite all that I'd do it again
>>338131360
I doubt expac long weapons will last after Legion.
>>338131427
Almost no one does LFR anymore. There is no reason to. The gear is trash and you can't even get some of the legendary quest stuff there.
Normal is what casuals run now.
>>338131894
At least the class quests will make leveling alts worthwhile. Got bored to tears by my third alt in WoD.
>>338131928
It would be nice though, especially for accessibility, all the other classes that can use shields can tank, so why not shamans?
>>338132083
>no one does LFR anymore.
fuck off I do lfr a good 4-5 times a day for gold n runes
>you can't even get some of the legendary stuff there
you get most of the legendary stuff there dipshit.
>>338131635
All pre-patches have been hitting roughly a month before the expansion launch so you should have two months left.
>>338132015
I wonder what the lore excuse for dropping Ashbringer for a quest green is going to be. Would not be surprised if there's some ridiculous "sacrifice our weapons to defeat the final boss" thing. Would be a shame given some of them have quite a bit of history.
Oh and Twilight's Hammer should have been a legendary, come on Blizz.
Are they really going to bring back vailla?
>>338112046
>Solid PvP Lead Brian Holinka
holy shit this has to be trolling
>>338131965
seems you are unable to process the prankful prater
>>338132270
Yeah, but I'm a bit worried they might do it unexpectedly when the movie hits to maximize hype, along with Demon Hunter starting area early access.
>>338132260
God why would you?
Its not even good gold and runes are useless. They aren't even worth anything now that the permarunes are a thing.
>>338132286
The lore reason is probably "We spent all the power of the artifact weapon to stop the final boss of the xpac so now it's worthless"
Current rankings of best classes to play for Legion:
GOAT Tier
Holy
Shadow
Discipline
Balance
Demonology
Restoration
Very Good Tier -
Affliciton
Destruction
Elemental
Feral
Enhancement
Good Tier -
Arcane
Unholy
Mistweaver
Fury
OK Tier -
Frost DK
Holy Paladin
Outlaw
Bad or Boring Tier -
Frost
Fire
Windwalker
Retribution
Restoration Shaman
Subtlety
Assassination
Shit son what are you doing Tier -
Arms
Havoc
Vengeance
Markmanship
Beast Mastery
Survival
Protection Paladin
Guardian
Protection Warrior
Blood
Brewmaster
(tanking is shit)
So what's the gold making looking like for Legion?
I played WoD for a couple of months and made a million gold just doing Garrison stuff. Are they still going to just be throwing gold at you like WoD or will you need to play the AH again?
>>338132449
What is so good about Balance and Holy?
And fuck yeah demo, finally focusing harder on actually having fuckloads of demons. Exactly what I always wanted.
>tfw 300+ Lich King 25 HC kills now and still no Invincible drop
Friendly reminder that Ironforge will forever be the best capital
>>338128809
>leveled to 100 in less then 10 hours played
I love hearing this one
>>338132552
I play Horde and even I know this is true.
>>338111840
Ive probably played <10 bgs in my entire 10 years if woooow
>>338132449
>all 3 hunter specs in shit tier
say it ain't so
I just want the iron juggernaut as my pet
>>338132395
sjws arguing with spiteful edgelord comedians in guild chat is like the unstoppable force meeting the immovable object
the impact creates a shockwave that causes an earthquake so massive that it often destroys the very foundation of the guild
i was there when it happened. tragic
>>338132449
What's wrong with tanking? I pretty much exclusively tank, was deciding between Blood and Brewmaster.
>tfw want to play a fury warrior for those sweet sweet new animations
>also want to play DH since vanilla
>also have my main enh shaman
JUST
>>338132850
the new animations aren't unique the Fury. Enhancement gets them too.
>>338132850
DH leave their starting zone at level 100, and blizzard themselves have said that you should play one just for that starting zone story even if you don't want to seriously play one on the broken isles
so, why not?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC2nzmN1M-4
new action camera for Legion
>>338132527
They have been reworked and are fun to play.
Balance no longer uses the Eclipse bar that you have to follow and Holy is a little better than what it is now which was still the most fun healing spec in the game (but it sucked so nobody played it)
>>338132761
Sorry man. Hunters suck. Even the new melee one.
It's like all specs are done and Hunters' are still stuck in Alpha.
>>338132801
They reworked the way tanking goes and they removed most of the active mitigation abilities for tanks, so now tanks are for the most part just at the mercy of their Healers without being able to do too much on their own other than being a health sponge.
>>338132552
>mfw entering the Great forge for the first time
https://youtu.be/GnuryDgYUZs
Can't believe I didn't get a beta invite..
>>338132529
I feel you, I want that one and the horse from Kara and haven't ever seen either in the few years I've been running them.
>>338133047
>tfw no gnome hunter with huge silly rifle, engi specs and mecha godzilla as my pet
>>338132449
>Brewmaster, Prot Paladin, Prot War all Shit
>Enhancement is at least looking good
>>338133047
So tanking is literally like FFXIV now? (Assuming tank DPS is as retarded as it has been.)
>>338133212
>playing a gnome
>>338133223
I don't know if you missed this but all of the tank specs, including vengeance are shit tier by this guy's assessment, because currently, according to most testers tanking feels like ass, regardless of spec
>>338130973
it was a very specific situation though the tanks never died because probably they were very well geared compared to most of the people running the LFR group
but after downing the boss a handful of people were really complaining about the lack of dps and it just bothered my why nobody simply just rez people during the fight
>>338109798
World of Warcraft is dead
Legion sucks
Legacy is a dream
/thread
>>338133434
MoP was the best tanking has ever been, and it will never be that good again.
>>338133396
pls no bully
>>338133212
The rankings are just how fun the specs are to play, not in terms of their performance
Hunters are very simply but like literally every expansion ever ther's a good chance that 1/2 of their specs will be top5 DPS and requested by almost any end game activity so it's not that they are unplayable.
>>338133223
No clue about ffxiv tanking but their DPS is just average tank DPS so it's low.
>>338133505
It was not good.
Having tanks top the DPS meters because of Vengeance while at the same time require little to no healing from Healers because of extensive mitigation abilities wasn't the ideal spot for a role in a raid
>>338133505
If MoP was so good how come Oto the Protector sucked major ass as a tank?
>>338126592
Wasn't that vanilla in a nutshell?
Mage and warlock didn't really cast more than 1 spell. Same was with huntera because of their mana problem.
>>338134348
Warlock only cast 1 spell because it did 10k damage compare to choice 2-5
>>338134348
Vanilla had content outside of raids though.
>>338131515
i saw vanessa blow herself up in the deadmines, how is she there? do past events no longer fucking count?
>>338133047
Huh. I actually like that camera. Would be shit in raids but it would make exploring and questing a lot more visually interesting.
>>338134830
Faked her death and escaped.
>>338118625
rogues were never casters or healers too
Mage question. How is fire right now? Arcane seems neat and im sure Frost is still the best for leveling stuff. But i never hear people mention fire much.
Also for those that have played the beta Im gonna level said Mage, Warlock or DK first. Which class hall quests and such of those 3 look the most fun?
>>338112076
>700 ilvl takes literally a day to get
No it doesn't. Don't lie. You can get around 10,000 apexis crystals max in a day. That's not even enough to upgrade one item slot to 695 - not to mention the valour your going to need to upgrade beyond that. Mythic dungeons don't even drop 700 gear, and you can't cue for them and everyone only pugs with people who are already 700+ so good luck with that. LFR hellfire citadel drops 695 - and there's no way your getting a full set in a day with all the valour required to upgrade.
So what makes you think that you can get to ilvl 700 with a fresh max level character in a day?
>>338135692
>You can get around 10,000 apexis crystals max in a day
Apexis gear gear is irrelevant, PvP gear is ilvl 700/710 and gotten completely free from Ashran.
>Mythic dungeons don't even drop 700 gear
Mythic gear Warforges up to 725.
>>338135692
>So what makes you think that you can get to ilvl 700 with a fresh max level character in a day?
Honour and Conquest points? Ashran just shits them out
>>338135638
Fire is comparable to Arcane but you're too heavily reliant on the Sandmans Pouch trinket proc to make it good for progression.
>>338133147
>Remember during Vanilla and BC Ironforge always crowded with so many people my old PC struggled to load them all.
>Come back recently and IF is mostly empty except a few people outside the bank.
Was kind of a sad sight. Sure places like Dalaran and all the other main city hubs for the expansions are nice. But they really did kill the old school city pops.
>>338115192
Lots of people playing on instant 90s and 100s = nobody knows their class
>>338135692
You get to 710 by doing Ashran PvP content, not apexis and tanaan stuff
Also you can even buy a token with 1000/1000 conquest/honor points from the AH to instantly get 710 without doing anything
IIRC they go off for like 15k a piece
With 100k or so you are 705/710 the moment you hit 100
>>338113696
Honour is 680 pve though - it only bumps up to 700 in pvp.
>>338115010
If you're just starting, it's heaps of fun. The levelling is probably the best part. People just get burnt out at max level because the end game is arguably much worse than it used to be - largely focused around sitting around alone in instanced player housing, playing a facebook-style game, and nobody actually out in the 'world' of warcraft. They're making the next xpac endgame about world content, but it's probably too late
>>338136646
No, Honor is 700 PvE and 730 PvP.
>>338119740
>I just hope there is more to do and it is actually challenging and rewarding. My best memories and favorite thing in TBC and WoTLK was always the heroic dungeons, even though I was in a top 10 world guild. The dungeons, to me, are the life blood of the game and WoD was drained of all of it.
Couldn't agree more, heroic dungeons and earning badge gear was what kept me playing the game. And they ruined this with LFR in the Dragon Soul patch in Cataclysm. Since then raiding content is the central focus of the game and they basically add nothing else in each patch. I remember in BC and WotLK they actually added dungeons after release, and there was a reason to run them after out-gearing them. Not anymore under Ion Hazzikostas's leadership.
>>338120547
They changed Lead Game Designer to Cory Stockton for Cataclysm, which incidentally was the start of subs leaving the game. Garrison was his pet feature in WoD. I'm not sure why he's still working at Blizzard, honestly.
>>338111091
I agree, that was way more fun than this literal turd we have now.
>>338125197
I was the guildmaster and main tank of a large, loyal guild in BC. Comfy as fuck, honestly. Best time of my life
>>338136861
PvP gear is no longer differentiated by the resilience stat. It's identical to PvE gear except it scales way up in PvP encounters.
>>338133505
>tanks by default generate 99999x more threat than anyone else with no effort
yea that sure was great being unable to fuck up
>>338129682
>Which means they'll probably fix it in the expansion after legion.
I can't imagine the game existing in its current form then
>>338134348
>Wasn't that vanilla in a nutshell?
nope
>>338132449
How much more fun is the goat tier? I only have 100 ret and 100 combat rouge?
>>338137129
>PvP gear
>>338137489
what's your point bud
>>338131030
They also barely changed the old zones other than the quests. They hyped it up as the world being completely destroyed by Deathwing, and you quest through it and it's 99% the same aside from notable exceptions like the Barrens ravine, Desolace and Thousand Needles. Such a disappointing expansion.
>>338137483
goat tier can't be that much better because the spec that i've seen given the most attention has been enhancement
>>338111012
the problem is high gear doesnt mean good player. i ve seen 740 ilvl locks/hunters doing 50-60k dps in dungeons/raids. hell i do 50k dps with my 705 rogue. people want very high end gear for simple activities because they cant actually even trust very high ilvl people in general. so by this they just want to minimize the risks and i understand completely.
I believe wow is a really good game if you have friends to play with. I recently befriended about 10 people past 3-4 months. We all met in a guild but then shit hit the fan with the guild leader and raids became really stupid so we left 1 by 1 but didnt cut the talk with eachother. I eventually bought a ts server so we could all talk and then we decided to build our own guild. yesterday night was our first hfc hc run, yes we are quite overgereared for hc mode but we managed to kill 10 bosses in 3 hours and we were shit talking with eachother constantly. Never had this much fun in wow since tbc.
>>338129682
They should remove levelling, there is not other way to fix this shit.
They plan to make leveling take longer in the lower levels now that boosting is a solution for getting people caught up to their friends. For those that actually want to go from the beginning, they understand that the experience is rushed and doesn't allow for players to fully absorb a zone before they outlevel it. When it will get fixed, who knows, but they at least are aware of the issue.
>>338137672
>They should remove levelling
yea let's just amputate the few remaining rpg elements that remain, that'll make it a good mmorpg again!
>>338137743
Just admit there is not rpg element left and move on. Levelling in it's current form is pointless, bringing back old levelling would completely kill the game for new players.
>>338137868
I don't know if you're baiting or genuinely retarded.
>>338137932
Where am I wrong? everything I stated is a fact.
Are people still clearing mythic HFC. The thing that made me play WoD was Druid tier 17 mythic and I cleared it but never got the full set. How hard would it be to get a raid to do it?
>>338137932
as poor as his argument is I think the game would survive despite a change like that
I'd have to disagree regarding the no rpg elements, we still have gear, that's a big rpg element
>>338137963
>leveling would completely kill the game for new players
these 12 million players seemed to be pretty ok with it bud
>>338138021
I mean BRF not HFC
>>338138074
That was 30 levels ago, and levelling in Wotlk was much easier than in BC which was much easier than vanill since the zul'aman patch.
>>338137664
>I believe wow is a really good game if you have friends to play with. I recently befriended about 10 people past 3-4 months
I meet my gf (yes I know >Internet gf) through WoW. Fun story
>Be me
>Be dorf Paladin
>Decide to go to Undercity to get Lament of the Highborne
>Some Belf Mage sees me and tries to PK me and the entrance
>Rek her Angus up
>Decide to have some fun and sit on her corpse
>She returns
>Rek her up again
This repeats two more times
>Suddenly get a random ass friend request from a Night Elf
>It's her asking if I could stop corpsecamping
>Says Ok
>Later add her on bnet
>We're having fun PvP against each other
>We talk
>Realise we don't live far away from each other
>We meetupand held hands
>>338138179
I know you spoilered it but this is a blue board anon
go to /d/ if you wanna talk about that stuff
>>338138132
It's still old leveling. If you wanna be retarded and not consider it old leveling, look at the 8 million in Vanilla then. All new players, they dealt with it just fine.
Despite whatever dumb ideas are bouncing around inside your head, removing all forms of meaningful character progression will not make WoW a good MMORPG again.
The reason you think new players wouldn't be able to handle it is because there's no good game worth investing the time for like there used to be. Make the endgame and the rest of the game worth playing again and everyone will want to put the time into leveling.
>>338138314
the issue about talking about old games, especially games that are decade old is that the market research that was done (if any) prior to release yielded different results to how it would now, that's a big barrier for games with publishers nowdays, they often won't make a game if they don't think it'll sell well
They aren't willing to make the gamble. It has to appeal to the general public or they won't make it
I understand that this is a generalisation but take a look at the releases of activision recently, it's all been "safe"
going back to old leveling would not be "safe"
>>338138572
Nobody here should give a fuck about what Activision's market research data yielded or what they think is safe, we're giving our honest opinions on what would make the game better.
>>338125701
What? The shit you just described makes me want to preorder Legion instantly. Class homogenization is what started WoW's decline in quality.
>>338138269
Never!
>>338138314
Back then it was only 60 levels, not 110 like now. Then we have issue of the old players who want to make new characters, they are going to revolt if you take away heirloom but if you don't the new players will be fucked anyway.
I didn't say that it would make wow a good mmorpg, I don't care about the rpg because there is no roleplaying in wow. Modern wow is built around end game raids and there is no point whatsoever in levelling. All it does is waste resources, because all the raids and dungeons wasted on lower levels, wasted because a character would see them for a couple of hours at best. They should be used to solve the lack of content at the end of the game.
>>338138680
It's as homogenized as ever in Legion.
>>338138179
>and held hands
Scandalous anon
>>338138768
>I don't care about the rpg because there is no roleplaying in wow
Your opinion is entirely irrelevant then. RPG elements aren't just about roleplaying dummy, they're about customizing and progressing your character in a meaningful, gameplay-oriented way.
>Modern wow is built around end game raids and there is no point whatsoever in levelling
And modern WoW is utter shit. It wasn't utter shit that was dying rapidly when it wasn't just about raiding. In Vanilla, leveling and questing was actually the premiere experience. It was the main game. Dungeons and Raids were what was tacked on.
>All it does is waste resources, because all the raids and dungeons wasted on lower levels
They only make raids for level cap, and heroic mode dungeons solve the dungeon issue.
>>338138989
>In Vanilla, leveling and questing was actually the premiere experience
holy shit please stop
>>338138989
>questfags
Literally the worst of the entire WoW player base.
>>338138680
It's still pretty homogenized, they just removed a lot of the fun abilities that have been around since BC/WotLK. Some classes got absolutely gutted like DK, removed:
Plaguebearer
Plague Leech
Unholy Blight
Lichborne
Anti-Magic Zone - now PvP Talent
Death's Advance
Chilblains
Blood Tap
Death Siphon
Conversion
Spellbreaker
Desecrated Ground
Necrotic Plague
Death Pact
Asphyxiate - Unholy Only Talent
Soul Reaper - Unholy Only Talent & Changed
Breath of Sindragosa - Frost Only Talent
Runic Corruption now baseline Unholy
Runic Empowerment now baseline Frost
Gorefiend's Grasp now baseline Blood
Remorseless Winter now baseline Frost
>>338139036
He's not wrong
>>338138314
they are actually trying to revive the old talent system using this artifact weapon thing imo. which is a good thing. i havent played beta yet but i am liking the artifact weapon idea.
wow is loosing players because there are a lot of people who play wow just for the sake of trying it out. wow had its peak and now declining and loosing the people who doesnt really care much about the game which is a good thing.
the only problem is that there are just too many realms and majority of these realms are just dead. wish they would just delete some realms so that population of other realms come to a better number.
>>338139036
>holy shit please stop
I'm not wrong bud.
>>338139180
>Literally the worst of the entire WoW player base
Questing and leveling can be great when it's not balanced around retards that can't make it through Elwynn without dying 50 times.
>>338139204
time to change main it seems
Too bad i started to enjoy him for first time since wotlk release
>>338139206
>they are actually trying to revive the old talent system using this artifact weapon thing imo. which is a good thing
It's not like the old talent system at all because you end up with every single talent anyway. There's no limitation in what you can pick so there's no meaningful choice and variation in your weapon's build. Not to mention the old talent trees were way bigger and more complex, see pic related
>wow is loosing players because there are a lot of people who play wow just for the sake of trying it out. wow had its peak and now declining and loosing the people who doesnt really care much about the game which is a good thing.
No, WoW is dying because the devs removed most of the elements that made it a good MMO and a good RPG. They also pump out next to zero content even though the game is B2P, P2P, and P2W.
>the only problem is that there are just too many realms and majority of these realms are just dead
Yeah that's an issue, but they're dead for a reason. The game sucks dick.
>>338139467
>They also pump out next to zero content even though the game is B2P, P2P, and P2W.
They have like 500 people working on WoW nowadays, how can the content output be so low?
>>338111061
I want to have inventory space for the first time in about 4 years.
>>338139637
I have to imagine it's because of some serious management issues. Most of the team must get put on projects that get scrapped so the majority of their effort and resources end up completely wasted.
>>338139467
>no variation
it's very minor but don't forget about the relics, but otherwise I agree, old talents were the beans
>pump out no content
how the hell do they manage to make so little with so many people? especially considering they claimed that they, what, doubled the staff since was it mists or cata?
>dead realms
just merge them blizz
merge them
do it for me
>>338139760
They have the most people working on WoW now ever. Couldn't even manage a second content patch for WoD though
>>338126643
Kronos II is a fresh server that has been "playble" maybe 2 weeks. So not that many are lvl 60 yet.
>>338139637
>believing blizz words
i doubt theres 5 people working in fucking wow
>legion was being developed at the same time as wod
so now that legion its starting beta , guess they are working on the next 2 expansions and screw bug fixing and everything else
>>338139890
>guess they are working on the next 2 expansion
Pretty bold of them to assume there'll be anyone playing in 2 expansions time
How many of you will be here 2-4 years from now bitching, crying and complaining about the same shit when it comes to this game?
>>338139970
I will do this till wow 2.
>>338139467
i thought you could only select few of the stuff not all. its how i understood from many of the alpha / beta reviewers on youtube and shit. no one had all the stuff open to them but just a select few which adds character building. In fact the old talent system didnt have meaningful choices as well, there was just 1 cookie cutter build that every one playing that class used to have the best performance. The only good aspect of the old talent system was that it gave a good "progression" feeling. You felt you were progressing to somewhere with each level because you were able to spend that previous talent point.
>wow is ded
define death? wow is still the most crowded MMO and t.bh has the best gameplay. wow was never an rpg to begin with. I dont remember ever choosing a dialog option in any of the quests in this game. the only rpg element is dressing your character with the new armor. I never understood why people call this game rpg, it was never an rpg. If you want to play rpg go play fallout, elder scrolls etc. wow is a MMO game. and even wow devs admit the singleplayer experience of wow is bad.
>game sucks
the game doesnt suck dick in general, just because you are socially awkward and cant make friends to play a multiplayer game doesnt mean it is shit. this is not a COD or BF game that you can hop on and have 30 mins of action and turn off in general (though you can do it now ith LFG/LFR now). If you want to fully experience this game you are forced to make social contact.
>>338139970
I will be, unless somebody else pulls a gw2 but manages to have the pve not be fucked up
>>338140057
I can't wait for this, if only so we can post about how it's going to be the wow killerand then be wrong again
>>338140063
>i thought you could only select few of the stuff not all. its how i understood from many of the alpha / beta reviewers on youtube and shit. no one had all the stuff open to them but just a select few which adds character building.
You can select all of the artifact talents. It's limited to artifact power which takes time to fully grind out so you won't see people filling their artifact tree out on the alpha/beta.
>In fact the old talent system didnt have meaningful choices as well, there was just 1 cookie cutter build that every one playing that class used to have the best performance.
You're a complete fucking retard.
>wow is ded
I said WoW is dying, which is objective fact.
>wow is still the most crowded MMO and t.bh has the best gameplay
And the shit I took a few minutes ago was the best looking turd I've seen in my life. Being the best MMO means fuck all right now.
>wow was never an rpg to begin with
This is bait. 7/10
>>338140156
>>338140057
They already said WoW 2 is not happening, which seems like insanity to me. The decision is from the 'you think you do but you don't' guy:
>"You know, there's not really a great model for a successful sequel MMO. Virtually all of them have been very significant failures and I think we're very conscious of that - not just small failures, either."
>"We're not actively working on anything on the MMO front that is not World of Warcraft. We were completely dedicated to the Warlords of Draenor expansion and now the Legion expansion. We're even thinking about the expansion after that - we're already talking about what comes next."
>http://www.designntrend.com/articles/59015/20150816/world-warcraft-blizzard-speaks-about-possibility-mmo-sequel.htm
>>338136929
also jay "fuck that guy" wilson also joined to WoW team and what do you know? Legen non-sets and world bounty system copy/pasted from diablo. Expecting RMAH soon too
>>338140289
>We were completely dedicated to the Warlords of Draenor expansion
i dont have a reaction image for this
Did they say anything about pristine server recently? I am only interested in legion if it's on a pristine server without lfr, lfd and artificial server communities with cross realms
>>338140263
i never ever remember a warrior in wrath picking half of the arms and half of the fury was never an option. If you were a paladin tank there was only 1 path you could choose. You were FORCED to take some talents like sanctuary etc. There were a lot of talent options sure but majority of them were viable in a pve / raid. if you wanted to do the top dps of your class/spec you were choosing whatever all the other people in your class/spec were choosing, there was literally no option.
what is an rpg seriously? i played wow since vanilla, 2006 and i play pretty much all the rpg games available. I played shit loads of icewind dale, neverwinter nights back in the day when they were the thing which were superb rpg games. You were actually choosing dialog options in those games. You were creating some sort of personality in your characters etc. you were essentially "role playing" in a "game" hence the name RPG. I never ever remember choosing a dialog option nor having an "evil" or "good" or "natural" or "lawful" personality in wow. The only choice i had was to choose this pants or this shoulder piece in a quest if i had the option to choose. Even shitty Mass Effect 2-3 are more RPG then wow ever was.
>>338140508
No new information. The Nostalrius guys got told to never release their code, so they're not. They've also put out a survey recently, so they're probably going to take the results back to Blizz to plead the case of classic/pristine servers.
>>338138768
There is no lack of content, they just throw everything at you without putting any effort into it.
Remove all catch up mechanics like the retarded jungle with epic drops and no raid gear for running a few dungeons that only drop blue items without a challenge would fix the "lack of content". The current system just promotes everyone into a super high end raider without even deserving it and then people complain there is nothing to do
>>338140692
Yes there were some mandatory talents in the trees depending on what your role was, but if you think that every class/spec/role HAD to take 1 very finite spec to perform, you either didn't actually play or you were an unimaginative shitter who couldn't figure out how to make unorthodox builds work. There were tons of variety in the talent trees that you could utilize and still perform with, and I was a heroic raider in Wrath. The old talent system was great compared to the shit we have now.
>what is an rpg seriously? i played wow since vanilla, 2006 and i play pretty much all the rpg games available. I played shit loads of icewind dale, neverwinter nights back in the day when they were the thing which were superb rpg games. You were actually choosing dialog options in those games.
You don't need dialogue options to make an RPG. Even if you did, WoW has dialogue options. RPGs are more about having branching and meaningful choices when building your character. WoW had that in spades. Faction, Race, Class, talent trees, gear with real variety, professions, etc. That shit has all been widdled down almost to the stub since Cata.
>>338140289
To be honest Guild Wars 2 sucked major dick compare to the first one
>>338140289
>not just small failures either
okay come on, gw2 is still chugging along, people still play it, I personally wouldn't even call it a failure. It failed me, sure but even I squeezed a pretty significant number of hours out on it
how is this guy in charge of anything?
all of the other mmos of recent that I can think of weren't sequels
>>338141624
it's still doing pretty well though, and I only think it made a few mistakes. Major mistakes, but still only a few
>>338141624
FFXIV is pretty successful, compared to FFXI. It can work both ways. Continuing developing WoW1 just means we're doomed to play 2004 graphics forever
>>338141736
>it's still doing pretty well though, and I only think it made a few mistakes. Major mistakes, but still only a few
I'm not saying it's doing badly. I just think GW 1 is way better
>>338141743
>FFXIV is pretty successful
Except that they had to reboot the failure that was the first XIV
>>338141918
Worked out well in the end though, it's second only to WoW. Hell, it may have surpassed it in subscribers now, if WoW numbers were still public.
>>338141743
The graphics, music and ambiente is one of the ONLY things that improved over the years. The presentation is the smallest problem man. We have great cinematics ingame too, while in classic it was just a test raid fighting the bosses with background music and a GM going around recording
i'm surprised there are as many people in favor of a WoW 2 as there are in this thread
I always thought it was just a bad joke around here
>>338142237
I get what you're saying, but I was blown away by the graphics in 2006. I have folders full of screenshots I took because I was so amazed. I don't see why we should all just accept decade old visuals. The game is so starved for serious graphical updates that introducing Xbox 360 quality water a few years back was a major news story.
>>338109798
I want Legion to be good. It's doing some things that I've wanted them to do for a long time, especially refocusing on 5-man dungeons as viable endgame material through mythic keystones.
But the class changes may end up ruining it for me. So many of the specs on beta are barebones, boring, or just a clunky mess full of parts that don't really work together in any good way. The rogue revamp, while adding some neat thematic shit like the hidden pistols for outlaw, has the class playing worse overall. Assassination is the same spec with less abilities, outlaw is largely the same with less abilities, slower speed, and huge RNG, and subtlety went from one of the higher skillcap specs with a toolkit that allowed plenty of choice and a great amount of depth to a mess of a spec that spams shadowstrike all day long and, again, lost a ton of abilities. And those abilities that have been cut from each spec are core spells that the class has had since vanilla, things like garrote, blind, and gouge.
I'd happily just pick up another class, but all the ones I'd be interested in playing seem to have gotten the same treatment. Hopefully Demon Hunters end up being fun and I can just play one of those and enjoy the expansion, because it really is doing a lot of things I'm happy with. I just hope the class design doesn't kill all the fun.
>>338113147
>Mods on 4chan are in Blizzards pocket so they won't do anything about it either. Used to be WoW threads were banned.
are they also in gaia's pocket since naruto is no longer banned from /a/?
What went right?
>>338144449
>no keybinds
>likes legion
poetry
>>338125473
Before MoP, he was the not-shaman uncorrupted counterpart to Thrall. He was supposed to be learning temperence and how not to be a total dick. And then they threw that out the window because everyone hated Varian and Garrosh for being warmongering nutjobs, and Varian got back burnered while Garrosh went full Hitler.
>>338129368
It truly was a great fight, a wonderful casual filter too.
People got tired and gave up after wiping countless times, because the fight was so damn long.
>>338137606
Azshara was also completely revamped.
>>338144648
Varian started doing his turn from warmongerer to generic good guy in ICC, though.
Garrosh never really got that far until Cataclysm, and even then his characterization was a nonsensical mess because quest devs, as they admitted themselves, didn't communicate with each other exactly how they were handling him so in one zone he'd be a crazed warmonger and in other he'd be an honorable warrior.
>>338137672
They should use the original guild wars system - a low level cap with plenty to do and see beyond that and plenty of abilities and class variations to try out. It would work well seeing as they're so end game focused now. But they won't do it.
>>338144779
Yeah, I admit that was one of the few bright spots. The trailer still kind of hyped up Cata to be a nuke has been dropped on Azeroth, and in reality, it's mildly different. I mean it's called 'Cataclysm', not 'Deathwing got tired and forgot to wreck this zone, sorry'
>>338138021
>>338138080
On EU I saw runs for BRF sometimes in the Group Finder so there should still be some tmog runs for it, Legion will probably also have some of those going just like there's still runs for MoP raids.
>>338144584
I think you're missing the fact that we killed vanessa in the deadmines and this is likely the biggest asspull in warcraft story so far
>>338144959
cata quest were just a mess because they wanted both sides to be the good guys.
Horde side Camp Taurajo gets burned down by the alliance on their warpath and murdered a bunch of civilians so they retaliated by killing the alliance commander.
Alliance side Camp Taurajo the alliance commander told his troops to let all the civilians escape but the troops didn't listen and murdered a bunch of them but then the big mean horde showed up and kill the commander that didn do nuthin
>>338145092
Eh, I think there were a good amount of changes. Besides the ones you mentioned we also got some big changes in EPL/WPL, Swamp of Sorrows, Badlands, Hillsbrad, Tanaris. Probably some other Kalimdor ones I'm forgetting too, since I never go there.
>>338145307
Like I said, the devs themselves admitted to communication issues causing inconsistencies with Garrosh's characterization in Cataclysm. It isn't even about the two separate factions. As a Horde player you see an honorable warrior Garrosh killing his own general after finding out he had bombed a bunch of innocent night elf druid students in Stonetalon, and then later a bloodthristy, crazed Garrosh sending his own men to their deaths in the Twilight Highlands intro just to maybe get a couple extra kills on his belt.
>>338145272
You should be used to it at this point tbqhwyfamalam
>>338114243
Level that Shaman
I will return to WoW only when it lets me crush the enemy faction, see the corpses of their quest NPCs before me and hear the lamentations of their lowbies
are the rogue specs still gutted two button spamfests? haven't been keeping up with the alpha/beta
>>338114243
>proudmoore
yes
The one thing I miss is [Epic] gear being epic. I remember just following around one guy who had some epics (mostly blues and a couple greens) because I was so awed at seeing an [Epic].
Also, WoW is too big, and flying mounts made it even bigger. Garrisons also sucked life out of the zones.
>>338144449
I don't get what's supposed to make her such a great rogue.
She grew up as a farmers daughter most of her life after Edwin got killed, tried to bring back the defias and then almost immediately got her shit pushed in.
>>338130879
All they have to do is allow spaces and extend name lengths
even most of the npcs have two names at least
Turkus McGurkus is a better name than Danspally
but which one is allowed?
>>338146923
No one is more skilled than her at making poisons.
>>338139204
I main a DK and am only just finding this out.
What.
The.
Fuck.
I knew shit was bad when they said death strike would now run off runic power - but this amount of trimming is absolutely scandalous. I am trying to think what I actually have left beyond two abilities and applying diseases. It looks like they've taken our mitigation and utility spells in their entirety.
>removal of death's advance
This one gets me in particular for some reason. Why would they do this? It was a harmless buff that was useful when blasting through dungeons and LFR.
>>338147062
And she thinks this gives her power over us?
>>338147062
>>338147215
We can make poisons out of the sand that found it's way into our shoes
I'd say that's pretty skilled
>>338146923
Legion = Cashing in on popular names: The expansion.
Illidan, Sargeras, the entire artifact weapon thing with Ashbringer etc., bringing back dead characters like Vanessa and that one chick in the Priest order hall.
>>338146827
>WoW is too big, and flying mounts made it even bigger
But that's wrong. Even with all the unused and inaccessible spots the vanilla world at +100% speed (which most people didn't even have) felt much bigger than all the current content on +310% sanic shit everyone has.
so i play combat rogue, and i'm all hype for outlaw, it looks simple but satisfying which is what i like
but i also play balance, has anyone played it? on the surface the new starfall visual is sweet and we get an ion cannon but apparently its just not balance anymore and not that special to play?
also where did they go with windwalker? i have no idea about it in legion, but currently it has no identity, it's just a melee DPS that does everything and has a button for everything and looks kinda sweet doing it.
>>338147626
I think he means it opened up the Y-axis so you saw people much less frequently.
>>338147215
when she shows up in the rogue hall she manages to poison every member of the council.
>>338147762
Yeah, that's true. Fly mounts contributed nothing in the way in content yet ruined the social aspect of the game.
>>338132449
>Ele
>Very good
>No unleashed lightning
>No pre-ToT conductivity
Ele as a spec is dead.
>>338141743
What, mechanically speaking, would possibly differentiate World of Warcraft from World of Warcraft II? They can barely handle maintaining the gameplay as is so them adding in a whole load of 'innovative' new features in a sequel would likely end in disaster. Beyond questing, grouping, player versus player, dungeons, raids and guilds there really isn't much to an MMO beyond all that. World of Warcraft already has all that even if it isn't very good. There is nothing, beyond VR which is still in its infancy, to justify the creation of a full sequel.
>2004 graphics
This is a meme. They updated all of the models, and all of the new zones and armours have significantly better graphics than vanilla WoW. A 780ti, for example, has a hard time maintaining a consistent 60 frames per second with the antialiasing set to maximum, and Legion has higher system requirements than WoD.
i-i don't want to be a dumpy but the hitsparks are new to legion right?
>>338145092
Yeah, it was a bit stupid that this maddened god of death only managed to take out a capital city's scenic park and a couple minor regions, I'll give you that. The image of deathwing just sort flying over Stormwind and only obliterating the park and a small chunk of some of the districts next to it has always felt particularly jarring to me.
>>338145761
>deathknight
>wearing that garish, cartoon-like, alliance tabard
Either go full edge or go home. I hate deathknights that just look like warriors with blue hihghbeams for eyes.
>>338149005
A sequel would be an opportunity to clean out all the junk in the game, like pet battles and the like, as well as plan things out in advance. They don't have to update the core mechanics.
>>338133047
That camera is the first thing about Legion that's really managed to interest me.It's a shame it's still in beta.
>>338149005
I just want a game where using the new action camera in raiding isn't a strict disadvantage, but with the way combat works in this game that will almost never be the case
hunters ruined come legion
only class i had interest in playing gets their salad tossed.
im waiting on the freebie because of low subs
>>338150271
That camera looks retarded. It doesn't add anything whatsoever to the actual game.
>>338139204
>no Lichborne
Excuse me?
Can I sue blizzard for this?
rate my dudes, /v/Last login was August of last year, didn't play at all when WoD when live. I warned ya'll niggas it was going to be the last nail in the coffin.
>>338147127
Because le unspubbleul memenaut
Which means we're still squishy dogshit because lolhealingoffdamagetaken and also slow.
Just let us ride our hourses, no burst speed increase but passive 20%-30% speed increase
>>338131748
literally everyone who's testing the current build is complaining they are squishy
no one cares that you watched 1 pvp collage 2 months ago and deemed them OP you fucking retad
>>338118080
you think you do, but you don't
>>338151353
1/10
get some originality. on a side note, r8
>>338150751
>remove traps except for survival hunters
Jesus Christ, what the fuck? They really fucking missed the point of talent trees, didn't they? I mean it used to be talent spec enhanced some aspect of a class that everyone of that class had access to. Now they're taking away shit away because we somehow need even fewer abilities?
>>338129294
Tanks and healers don't have space inbetween dungeons.
>>338151593
they want to turn each spec into its own class and hunters have been 3 specs that do exactly the same thing since launch.
>>338145761
Already did senpai.
>>338131748
I have, and they are squishy as fuck compared to just about any other melee DPS. DPS relies on its mobility, which is a moot point vs range or CC.
Havoc is squishy as hell outside of spikes and has a tendency to quickly melt in 2 or 3 hits when spikes arent up. Though this is a problem with many tanks right now, as blizzard wanted to "make healers relavent to tanks" so made them shitty dps outside of their active mitigation CDs.
>>338136861
>>338137489
>being this retarded
>>338130408
Pretty sure that post is talking about zones increasing levels with the player, not the player increasing levels with the zone. Maybe a sense of progression is lost, but is feeling a little more powerful worth unchallenging gameplay or missing whole zones?
>Guild raids Goldshire on Moonguard last night
>Everyone is level 100
>I'm 59
>Don't give a shit
>Have fun
>Kill Magni in Ironforge
>Take over bar in Kharanos
>Get wasted with guild
Haven't had this much fun in years.
>>338151381
Nagarand showed that mounted combat was nowhere near the cluster fuck Blizzard made out that it would be. Death Knights are (were?) meant to be a hero class. Just give us a minor cosmetic ability that gives us a tiny advantage in questing and makes major sense in terms of lore - let us remain mounted in combat. Demon Hunters get their double jump and x ray vision; I don't see why we can't have the Nagarand buff as an ability.
>people will complain that DKs will just be able to zip about the place if they're allowed to remain mounted while in combat.
Levelling is already piss easy and fast, but if too many don't like it - give DKs a debuff so that riding speed remains decreased by a certain % for five minutes after entering combat. Leave the choice to the player as to whether he wants to mount up during combat, and accept the debuff, or just carry on as usual.
>>338128782
Is the XP requirement for 90-100 reduced? Because I did that for like 2 or 3 zones and was still only 94 or 96.
>>338126462
>nothing is difficult, just grindy
WoW has always been like this unless you are a progression guild or rank 1 pvp monster.
>>338131615
>mfw no other class has a mobility skill that's even half as fun or useful as disengage
>>338135692
>Valor
What happened to getting rid of that for gold and stuff?
>>338151535
Nice - you look like an Amazon.
i sure hope they gave my class more than one button for doing anything outside of single target tanking
>>338132449
Can't wait shitstorm when dics is nerfet in oblivion in first balance patch, shame it's easily funniest spec in legion. At least all 5 priest that play holy will be happy because they backed right horse.
>>338151353
warrior and death knight look pretty good
rest kinda mediocre
>>338152129
>so made them shitty dps outside of their active mitigation CDs
That's going to make downing elite rares in the inevitable post 110 catch up zone super fun. Tanks are meant to have personal survivability for fuck's sake. Without that, they're essentially just a slab of meat - so interesting.
>>338114243
>No Horde
Racist
Anyone here tried Guardian in Legion? I'm wondering how much I should cry.
it just seems like there's no way to have fun with it anymore
the only thing to log on for is to do kazzak, rukhmar, garrison missions
then you log off because the raids have been the same for 12 months
>>338153103
Look more carefully.
>>338152967
Exactly. But this is blizzard. Despite the overwhelming amount of feedback saying this is a really stupid idea, they're going with it.
They even told the entire brewmaster community that they're simply playing wrong.
The only tank with decent active mitigation is warrior. BUT, their rage generation is based on percentage of their health being lost. What this means is. 1. They only gain decent rage while taking damage and 2. The get less fun and have less active mitigation with gear.
>>338153107
guardian is the only tank that didnt get destroyed
>>338130637
hahaha you're god damn right about that
it's a shame, the game was quite fun to play but apart from getting a beggar's spot in a few datascape runs, I couldn't get into the main raiding group
probably the biggest reason of why I quit, if it is a bit shallow, is because despite executing my rotation perfectly and playing at 110%, I could never even get past 10k+ dps when the rest of the group were sitting at above 12k-13k+
that isn't a problem when playing hunter, though
>>338153253
It didnt get destroyed, but then again it was boring as hell already. It kinda went from bland to a bit less bland.
>>338153253
That's pretty nice to hear. I'm pretty sure if the class was bad I'd probably play it anyway, the novelty of being a bear saving the world hasn't worn off yet.
>>338153217
I have to be honest. Mitigation and survivability are the only things that make daily questing somewhat bearable. Sure, I don't always need to use these abilities because my cookie cutter rotation usually does the trick - but when I do decide to do massive pulls - mitigation is what keeps things at least slightly interesting. This, along with the ability pruning that's happening with damage based specs as well, basically means that it really is going to be like dialling the same phone number over and over. It's been going that way for a long while, but this sounds like the concept is now fully realised. That isn't fun. That isn't even a game. I am done.
>>338153253
I watched a video on the new brewmaster and my emotions went through a cycle
>hey this doesn't look as bad as everybody was making it out to be
>"and then you purify half of the staggered damage"
>never mind
happened to me at least 3 times over an hour
I don't think i'll be able to play brewmaster until they change back purifying brew
>>338153118
Have you done challenge modes yet?
I'd already grown extremely bored of the game, but right before quitting I decided to put my nose to the grindstone and get 8/8, and at this point I'm just patiently waiting for Legion to come out.
>>338112869
I'm actually surprised that PVP gear is as strong as it is. Can literally prepare you gearwise for mythics and HC
>>338153981
dont i need friends to do that?
Anyone /casual/ here?
I guess i'm lucky i dont have the "no social aspect" of the game since i play full time with my bf and just level and gear up and be comfy.. played a decade ago but he coaxed me back into the grind 2 weeks ago
the game must suck if youre solo and maxed out and want a hardcore experience
>>338151353
>Last Login was August of last year
Warlords released November 2014 Anon, You either slept in a year or played during Warlords already.
>>338154375
there's nothing to do even if you're casualfagging it up desu, doing same raid diff 300x and garrisons makes me want to cry
i wanted to go for loremaster but there was pretty much nothing else to do outside of that or levelling alts, and levelling alts is unappealing because there's nothing to fucking do once you're done levelling
>>338153159
It is probably a Blood Elf
>>338154550
i dont know what a raid diff or garrison is, so i must not be near your point yet...
i also like roleplaying, so i guess that adds some variety to the game
>>338154693
oh, you're like supercasual or something
i envy you desu
>>338154821
i played ffxiv pretty hardcore, NEETing up and dedicating my life into it
i burnt out and hated it, so i guess thats why i'm approaching wow so slow and breezy now. (and also have a wageslave job, so...)
>>338154342
I did them alone, in fact, bringing friends will probably just slow you down if they're not committed to it as well.
While it isn't very hard to do challenge modes, you'll first need to work at getting the best in slot gear for challenge modes (this involves getting gear that has the best stats for your spec), since all gear scales down to 630 while in challenge modes.
Second, you're probably going to want to make sure you're doing it on either a class you're either quite skilled at or learning one of the best in slot classes for challenge modes. For tanks, you're almost always going to want blood death knights, mostly because they have insane damage and self-heal along with an aoe pull. For healers, you're probably going to want to get a resto druid as they've got unparalleled burst and aoe healing for challenge modes (resto shamans come in close second) and most of the boss fights involve you getting your shit kicked in by heavy aoe at set intervals.
As for dps, from what I last remember, is that you're going to want combat rogues, enhancement shamans or beast mastery hunters. All of these have insane aoe mob clear (clearing mobs and running through is what most challenge modes consist of) along with some pretty okay single target damage to boot. Of course, this is interchangeable and you're not going to instantly fail if you don't have all of the best in slot classes, but I'd say you basically need to have a blood death knight and restoration druid at the ready; pulls become so hard without them. You can take leniency with choosing your dps so long as you at least have one time warp/bloodlust and one of the BiS dps classes to make up for your group's possible lack of aoe damage.
Third is scrounging at the bottom of the barrel and doing the easiest challenge modes first because if you don't show your recruiters that you've done any progress in gold CMs (3/8-4/8 is usually enough to persuade them), they're likely to ditch you and get somebody else.
hands up
>>338155151
how do i find challenge mode?
im a windwalker monk so i probably cant do it good enough
>>338152471
Woah, woah there buddy.
Cool, but not TOO cool :V)
>>338128397
>WoW
>New players
>>338155593
Well, you basically go into the dungeon finder tab and then click on "premade groups" and from there you just type in "challenge mode" or "CM" in the search bar.
Windwalkers are fine but you'll increase your chances of succeeding by a good margin by getting the mirror of the blademaster from normal mode hellfire council, which basically increases your aoe mob dps twofold.
In any case, look at some of the CM guide runs and look at the CM weapon rewards before you dedicate yourself to doing them, because they're going to take a lot of effort and patience, especially since many groups are probably going to turn you down if you don't prove that you've got something going for yourself.
>>338155986
>"premade groups" and from there you just type in "challenge mode" or "CM" in the search bar.
you said i could do it alone
>>338156085
I thought you were referring to bringing your actual friends in to do them with you.
Of course you can't do them alone, since they're basically the same 5 man dungeons with an added layer of difficulty.
Rolled on Kronos since Blizzard is too mentally handicapped to implement Legacy servers.
I never made it to endgame during 1.12, so could anyone who did tell me what specs were terrible at the time? I don't want to be a wasteful slot in dungeons/raids.
>>338156292
Just about all of them are useless in vanilla. Most classes had one working spec.
>>338156292
Every spec in the game can be brought to raids my man. The whole "le vanilla had bad balance" is just a meme. The only spec that was truly inviable in raids was Prot Paladin. Play what you want.
>>338154601
>implying
>>338156572
That's a flat out lie though.
Just try going as a ret paladin or a bear druid. Complete waste of a slot.
>>338156292
Depends entirely on what you want to do. Vanilla wasn't like WoD where everything is about raiding and every spec had to be good for raids. Pretty much every spec had something it was good for, however that thing was often not applicable in 40 man.
For example, Prot Paladins were worthless raid tanks, but one of the best AoE farming specs and the best tank for non-elite or weak elite add waves (like welps on Onyxia), while also being an excellent PvP healing spec.
The only truly worthless spec is Survival Hunter. Your best raid DPS are Fury Warriors, Rogues, and Warlocks, your tank is Warrior, and any class that can heal will get a raid spot (although druids somewhat less so).
>>338156923
>Are you a Pally/Priest/Druid/Shaman? You're on healing duty, no questions asked.
>Are you a Warrior? You're a tank because we have enough DPSers.
>Are you a Mage? Get to making food for every caster.
>>338114243
>names with alt codes
>night elf
>proudmoore
>ugly transmog
you were beyond saving many years ago
>>338153903
Balancing tanks has always been a pain because the higher you push mitigation the more imbalanced numbers end up in an attempt to keep incoming damage meaningful. Lots of active mitigation is less important in my mind than making sure gameplay is meaningful to the player.
The way I see it, mitigation outside of raids should be more about using your other class abilities to keep yourself alive as opposed to just not taking damage at all. Paladins healing themselves, warriors using interrupts, Druids HoTing themselves, DKs using leech mechanics, brewmasters doing whatever the fuck they do, etc.
>>338156785
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXNWvytYbyo
There's a Ret Paladin pulling top 10 DPS in retail Vanilla on Noth the Plaguebringer. There's a lot of misconceptions about class viability in Vanilla due to mistruths that have been spouted and repeated over and over on different forums. The fact is that every spec in the game (except for Prot Paladins) could be brought to raids and could compete so long as they were on equal footing with gear.
Most people avoided bringing hybrid DPS because their gear was slightly better in the hands of Warriors/Rogues/Hunters/Mages/Warlocks. Vanilla raids weren't by any means stringent on you having the absolute perfect raid composition or pulling your absolute best DPS so you can easily get away with bringing a lot of "inviable" DPS specs. You can realistically play whatever you want in Vanilla. Balance being shit is just a meme. It was really no worse than it was in any other expansion.
>>338156923
I fucking miss the reckoning bomb.
>>338132449
Ret is looking fucking solid right now
People don't like to be forced to be social, that's why it's optional. Don't ask me why it's like that in an MMO but that's just how it is.
>>338157948
Naxx isn't really applicable to most of Vanilla considering Paladins had a whole bunch of abilities with 100% crit against Undead, but I agree with you in general.
>>338158137
>People don't like to be forced to be social
Then why the fuck play an MMO?
>>338158137
You're not *forced* to be social in Vanilla, you're just punished heavily for not being social.
>really like warcraft 2 and 3
>try play WoW recently levelling up a character to be fresh on the story and see where it will go with Legion
>get bored at around level 50 and never pick it up again
God damn it
>>338114243
>Proudmoore
I let my friends convince me to transfer to that shithole server to raid, needless to say being semi competitive triggered their guild and they kicked me off of their raid team because my banter was "offensive"
>>338112046
>non-linear equates to ulduar
>ulduar was good because it wasn't linear
lol
>>338158924
Proudmoore is the fag/SJW server. Not surprised desu
>>338158924
you are me, and i am you
>>338140289
>"You know, there's not really a great model for a successful sequel MMO"
Well WoW will continue to fizzle out into nothing, so it they'll have to either think through a way to make a successful sequel, or make a new MMO.
>>338158848
Don't tell me that bro. I'm mid way through WC3 on my RTS playthrough before playing through WoW again, and all I can think of is how fucked up cataclysm areas are with constant references to Garrosh as warchief.
Fuck, I think I'm going to start on a legacy server just so orgrimmar doesn't look like a jagged, metal mess.
