Talk about World of Warcraft
Talk about Legion
Talk about Legacy
>>338109798
bump
>>338109798
I am sitting here, bored out of my mind, waiting for the BMAH auction of dreadnaught helmet to finish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDXvhkIH1M4
>Death Knights going full fucking scourge
T-Thanks Guys
>>338110206
how many parts of the set you got so far?
>>338110404
Bracers and hands.
really thought i'd get a beta key
apparently you're more likely to get one if you don't play wow
a bunch of hearthstone players and shit got one i've heard
>milked to death
>should have finished titan
>>338110524
best of luck, i'd probably start saving up for the cryptstalker set but the price of wow tokens on EU is vicious enough to hinder me (sitting at around 85k at the moment, if i recall correctly)
Maeiv x Illidan WHEN
>>338109798
I did the 7 day trial of WoD thing. Got to level 100, did LFR and then just sat in the city watching people demand mythic level gear for even the simplest of activities. The game is just so soulless now. The spirit of fun is dead.
Pre-patch when, I want to play my fucking Demon Hunter.
>>338111012
Yeah man, lets get back to 40 man cat herding
>>338110715
At least there is still Overwatch while I wait for the release.
Stopped playing WoW right before lich king and I'm getting this itch from all this legion talk. Is it time to resub or does the game truly suck like how everyone says it does?
>>338111391
Unless you want to make bank before legion I'd wait for legion launch
im really liking how they changed the professions
most notably that theyre not garrisons anymore
unfortunately its not enough to sell me
ill definitely buy legion if legacy is confirmed though
meanwhile ill be chilling at some vanilla private server
>>338111091
I love how you faggots are so insecure about how terrible wow is now you'll talk shit about things you've never experienced at literally no provocation
>>338111061
about 13 weeks
>>338110715
same, only blizzard betas I've had was the bnet client and hots. Been playing since vanilla
>>338109798
it fuckind died with Arthas!
>>338111391
If the last time you played was TBC you will find the game unrecognizable now. It is no longer an MMO. There is no social aspect and group play has been phased out as much as possible.
>>338111629
>I got shit social skills and therefore it's the game's fault
>game has been out for over 11 years
>the majority of players still don't understand how to win battlegrounds
How is this even possible?
>>338111629
Not really true. Sure if you only stick to your garrison this is true.
But I just came back and for the past 2 weeks it's been nothing but ashran and mythic dungeons with a dash of HFC normal to gear up for mythic. Even made a few friends and found a guild to raid with.
Still a pretty shit expac, but there's plenty of social experience if you are actively looking for it.
>>338111589
>Never experienced
Nah sorry~! Started in BC, 2.3. Early WoW was a joke.
>>338111840
the public is renewed
>>338110206
cant you get the original still? I bought the shitty yellow version and the helmet still has blue eyes like a DK
What's there even to say? WoW is dead and Legion isn't going to bring anything back, not even players.
We'll see a bunch of shilling for a week and then it will die once everybody realizes it's the same shit sold with a different coat of paint. Again.
>>338111012
700 ilvl takes literally a day to get. And that's not even a joke. That's more than enough to get you into normal HFC for some tier gear.
>Felblade not baseline
>Demon Blades
>Desperate Instincts
>Squishy as fuck and weak in PvP
>Boring rotations
Demon Hunters suck dick. My interest is gone. Fuck off.
>>338111762
You don't know what you're talking about. Back in vanilla/TBC, it was actually useful to quest in a group of players. You met people while you were levelling and played together, and the game moved at a slower pace so there was time to talk.
Now levelling is so fast and pathetically easy that you just power-grind your way through it because it's so mind-numbingly boring. Then you get to max level and there's no need to talk to people to find groups for dungeons, because of LFG, which matches you with players from other servers that you will never see again. You can't argue with this. The social aspect of the game is dead.
>>338112138
>BACK IN MY DAY
I played vanilla-WoD, I know what I'm talking about you pisstaking retard
>>338112268
Fantastic counter argument, well done.
>>338112046
All these complaints yet it's exactly what vanilla nostalgiababies want
>No flying
>Neverending "world" pvp (TM&SS and Old AV put together)
Heroic dungeons are harder, just becasue you join something meant for 615 ilvl while being 720 isn't the same thing, might as well be doing ST with full Naxx gear.
>People having nostalgia over Ghostcrawler
lol
>>338112434
Yeah, your argument is just the typical copypasta of parroted nostalgia opinions, great argument, 10/10 would read again in next wow thread
>>338111391
I'd suggest looking into a few gameplay vids (both of Warlords of Draenor and Legion alpha) and seeing if you at least like the current look of the game from there.
They've made some pretty significant changes to the game since wrath, most notably being that they've trimmed the amount of abilities every class can use by a fair amount (though this counts especially for dps) so just keep that in mind.
Second, they've added in LFR to the game which you've probably heard of, which basically lets you do the easy-mode version of a raid for free gear. Perhaps not that important, but this is basically where you go to get gear (after you reach level cap, that is).
Third, they've sort of gimped the story with the whole focus that you, the player, are this massive hero who is deserving of praise at every passing moment. I'm willing to wager they're probably going to continue with this in Legion and it might upset you as it did with me, but you'll get over it for the most part if you just try and ignore it.
I might be missing a few things, but I hope this helps. Plus, like with the last expansions Legion will probably be quite casualized and easy to get into, especially for old returning players such as yourself, but I'll stress the fact that you'll probably want to look at some stuff like a raid run of hellfire citadel or some pvp gameplay before you decide on whether you'd like to come back.
>>338112675
>but this is basically where you go to get gear (after you reach level cap, that is).
If you're a retard who settles for 685 gear when a much faster and easier to obtain 700 gear is available
>>338112434
Grouping was never useful because most of the time you got some pisshole wanker who let you do most of the work. And then they roll on your fucking krol blades holy shit cunt faces.
Leveling is easier now but the games content is 90% end game so leveling was always an annoying obstacle to get to the real content.
I sure did love spamming trade for tanks and healers for 8 hours, lucky I found a group of friends fast and we ran dungeons together and it hasn't changed for me any expansion. Never had to use dungeon finders and never had to do LFR. Just get into a competent guild and you wont have your issues
>>338112583
the game is old, it's going to day in some time
>>338112138
notice you didn't mention any effort made to join guilds for do mythic raids or dungeons. like that other guy said, the social aspect is still there, it just isn't forced onto you like before. there's nothing wrong with that.
>>338112675
>LFR for gear
Common misconception. Ashran is far better than LFR for gear for a freshly capped character, so much better it's actually a fucking joke to do LFR for gear.
>>338110794
Did not get it. The horde I was against had a bunch of guildies come help him. No one in my guild helped. I /gquit
>>338112046
Oh God, all those lies in that pic.
>>338112926
>it just isn't forced onto you like before. there's nothing wrong with that
The attitude that killed MMOs, right there.
>>338112869
>>338112943
It was true for the first half of the WoD, when the best non-raid gear you could get was from LFR or from crafting.
Although, I can't argue that conquest gear is usually around 40-60 ilvls above LFR gear and usually even higher or at the same level of normal raid gear.
Tanaan threw that out the window, however.
>>338113009
You're going to see a lot more when Legion starts coming around. Millions of people are going to be fooled again.
It's why things never change. People enable this. Mods on 4chan are in Blizzards pocket so they won't do anything about it either. Used to be WoW threads were banned.
>>338113143
Tanaan can still only get you 695 with 705 upgraded. And that 695 doesn't just fall in your lap like the 700 ilvl ashran gear.
I literally got full 700 gear in a single day playing for 8 hours. And I mean FULL, weapon and all.
>>338113034
i honestly don't care. my values changed over time as i grew up and my threshold for bullshit got much lower. i'm surprised you wish things were still the same as before. nostalgia is a farce and you know it.
>been playing since vanila beta
>never get into a beta since
>look to see what kind of people get invited
>people with less then 4000 Achivement poits, ERpers, chinks
>>338113274
I'm guessing this is from you being on the stomping side of that specific Ashran battle over and over, and thus kept getting conquest boxes?
In that case, I've got nothing left to defend LFR for gear other than that it's there to get you to progress through the legendary handout quest.
>>338112138
Haha what a pathetic little manchild, you have no idea what you're talking about, when you grow up and have a family you'll understand why games aren't like when you were twelve anymore.
>>338113416
Also there to kinda force serious raiders to do LFR when there is no other valor to get for the week
>>338113457
I can't tell if this post is an ironic joke or not.
>>338113416
Conquest is 710, honor is 700. You can get 1 piece of 710 a weak from the Ashran quest however you can keep repeating it for conquest points.
But i'm discounting conquest. Pure honor is extremely easy to get even if your on the losing side (granted it is much harder.) And no side stomps forever, you eventually get debuffed to let the opposing side have a turn at free gear.
>>338113292
>my values changed over time as i grew up
In other words you stopped wanting to play an MMO, but you're also too much of a pussy to play a game where you fight against other players rather than NPCs.
>>338114062
>if you don't pvp you're a pussy
name one MMO that actually has decent pvp
I'm enjoying the beta quite a lot, but I'm also sub rogue. The damage we put out is over the top.
Am I beyond saving?
>>338114062
>im playing video games cus they make me feel like a man
aaaaah fuck off
>>338113527
>seeing dps armored to the teeth in heroic gear in LFR
>every fight is over twice as fast
I know that some of them are maybe only there for the purpose you mentioned, or to stroke their ego, but god bless them; they make LFR just slightly more bearable.
>>338114250
Holy shit so I was right. Laughing at you in real life right now.
>>338114243
>names with alt codes
kill urself my man
>>338114243
>names with á, é and all those weird ass letters
come on anon
>>338114062
>too much of a pussy to play a game where you fight against other players rather than NPCs
Christ, why do you PvP guys always think somebody is a pussy if they don't like PvP? Someone can't just not like a thing? Fuck, I used to PvP all the time and even I hate WoW's PvP.
>>338114443
im laughting at you lol
>>338114303
>healers on 6k hps
>highest dps after that tank is 3.2k
Why that person didn't leave midcombat is beyond me
>>338114445
>>338114515
It's not my fucking fault that 99% of the decent sounding names has been taken.
No one would have to do that if the game allowed last names.
Do not reply to this post with a troll post.
Is World of Warcraft fun?
>>338114062
There is no point in arguing with Blizzard employees.
>>338114604
Because everyone died and he was the only one left for 40 minutes. That's why the DPS and heals are low. The joke is that he solo'd an LFR boss.
>>338115010
it is if you find something you like in it. some people literally just play the AH and level battle pets. there's something for everyone in the game. legion is shaping up to be one of the best expansions yet (at least in terms of launch content)
>>338114303
LFR is just simply a weird environment for me
i never bothered with it until WoD
i ran highmaul with my DK
i was only 2nd-5th on the charts with just LFR entry level gear
people fuck up and die (not big deal its just LFR)and i always have my raise ally ready to battle rez them
strange thing is that i think i was the only DK who bothers to battle rez people
and of course the boss takes longer to down with less people hitting on it
are people just not aware that their classes have these utility abilities outside their rotations?
>>338114810
just think about what you're going to name your character for a while, draw inspiration from your favorite games, ponder different kinds of shit
as for last names, Wildstar tried that and made a MANDATORY switch from regular usernames to first + last name setups for your characters, and plot twist: it fucking sucked
like unless you had some specific OC in mind, you were desperately trying to pair your original username along with a last name and it just didn't work, though in the end i took some names from dawn of war 2 and those fit pretty fuckin nicely
>>338115010
Raiding is fun with a good guild. It's just really hard to find one on many servers.
>>338115192
I speak only for myself, but WoD LFR was so easy it became nothing but a chore. I died several times on purpose just so I could tab out because I knew the bosses could be 5 manned.
>tfw you've spent around 100k in the past week on auction house BoEs/crafting patterns in prep for wardrobe
>tfw you're starting to run out of bag space on all of your alts that hold all of this crap
>>338115170
>Legion
>Good
Let's see.
>Demon Hunters released incomplete with only 2 specs
>Most of the specs got gutted even further from pruning
>Random legendary drops that have a massive effect on your performance.
>Return of garrisons, a widely hated mechanic
>Switching specs is more costly than ever since you'd have to grind up all the artifact powers to even be viable.
>>338115726
>Demon Hunters released incomplete with only 2 specs
does it really need 3? dps and tank is fine.
>Most of the specs got gutted even further from pruning
some classes are fine and others are not, but we'll see how people actually like it once the picky beta whiners aren't the only ones playing them.
>Random legendary drops that have a massive effect on your performance.
only some of the items do anything, most of them are just small QoL changes.
>Return of garrisons, a widely hated mechanic
you're retarded: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NjYcipCmqs
>Switching specs is more costly than ever since you'd have to grind up all the artifact powers to even be viable.
there will be catch up mechanics for other specs. obviously they're not going to lock you into one spec for the whole expansion. that would be stupid.
>>338115726
>Demon Hunters released incomplete with only 2 specs
i mean i cant really defend them for being lazy but does DH really 1 more extra dps spec?
hell it being restricted to 1 race is already a turn off for me
i understand that its being lore related shit but i just wish they didnt bother
>>338115726
if i recall correctly, blizzard announced that you wouldn't be able to use legendaries in raids so as to prevent raiders from gating fresh recruits on the grounds that they didn't get lucky enough to get RNG drops out in the world
>>338116365
they said it's restricted for like the first month for raids but they may have just said no to legendary effects in mythic dungeons/raids outright and i just didn't catch it.
>>338116450
i've yet to find concrete proof of said announcement but i'm willing to guess it's somewhere on mmo champion or something
would make sense to let us use them eventually because having a bunch of cool ass items and only being able to use them for dungeons and world quests would suck
>>338111889
one of the worst things in the world that i witness every day is when a cancer cell is absolutely infallible in their mind
>>338117784
You could lessen that burden by avoiding mirrors
Why is vanilla so fun?
tfw when Mark Kern is meeting blizzard to discuss legacy servers next week
can't believe it's actually happening, brings a tear to my eye
>>338118080
It's not
>>338118080
where can i play vanilla now that nostalrius is down?
>Use 7 Free days
>Log in to my Warrior
>Abilities are missing
>Literally 2 shot enemies
>Stat squish still has retardo large numbers
>Story is kinda neat
>Get to garrison shit
>Lose will to play
Legion looks like its kind of heading in a good direction. Fuck WoD though, there's nothing that can redeem this shit. Not one thing.
>>338118173
>Mark Kern
Hello Mark, see you trying to be relevant again.
Ooops, what is this?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/1tuf3c/this_is_why_mark_kern_was_removed_as_ceo_by_red_5
You changed. Theres nothing in Vanilla that isn't available in Legion to do. If you need carrots to do them like back then maybe you need a different genre.
>DHs only have 2 specs
Go ahead, come up with a "spec" that fits their lore that makes any lick of sense
They have never been casters or healers so...
>>338118292
ayyy lmao
>>338116703
The big fear is that people will be gated out of content because big guilds will only take characters with X legendary. On one hand I see how some people would get upset, but on the other, I guess people should grind for it? It's a weird area because its not like in Vanilla where you can look at a guy and say "Wow he really worked hard for that", considering its just world drop rng, from what I understand
If I have a tepid interest in playing Legion, should I try warlords before it's over? I already bought it but never played it.
>>338118348
kronos II; it's decent but nost had less bugs.
>>338116703
>>338118764
They've yet to properly announce how you will acquire the legendary gear though, so it's only speculation now, especially that "grinding mobs" talk
>>338118846
nope it's so bad i cant even
Video games
As someone who redeemed the free 7 days and played all the way up till WoD but none of it at all, fuck no. It's utter trash. The story is only the somewhat redeeming factor, and I say that from playing maybe an hour. I'm pretty sure they fuck it up half way through or something anyway
>>338119137
I stopped playing WoW in very early Cataclysm. TBC and WoTLK were some of my favorite gaming memories of all time and I loved them to death, even though they severely impacted my life for the negative. I came back in WoD because someone convinced me the game was supposed to be good again. It wasn't. It was terrible. Everything I loved about the game was dead and gone.
But, I am excited for Legion. The problem with WoD was it replaced all the stuff that made WoW good with nothing (idk, maybe they did it in cata and MoP, I'm not sure). Legion looks likes it's taking some large steps in making the game rewarding for people who want more than just raiding. Also I am actually a fan of the ability pruning. I played a shaman and warrior in the past and warrior looks ok but shaman looks awesome.
I just hope there is more to do and it is actually challenging and rewarding. My best memories and favorite thing in TBC and WoTLK was always the heroic dungeons, even though I was in a top 10 world guild. The dungeons, to me, are the life blood of the game and WoD was drained of all of it.
>G-guys why are we losing millions of subs?!
>Well I dunno boss we only took everything out of the game which made it differentiate from Farmville
God I hope Legion fixes this trainwreck. How did this fucking happen, like weren't some of the lead vanilla devs working on this shit? I know some of them abandoned ship right at the end of the project, but were their voices not heard or did they fuck it up?
>>338120547
Gee, has nothing to do with being a 12 year old game, nope.
>>338120547
>the lead desingner from bc quitted after 3 months of development
He literally quitted because it was shit.
>>338120809
Say all you want, but the game was at least playable before WoD. It's been declining since WoTLK but it hit the lowest point of ass in WoD. I'm fucking addicted and I cant play it. They literally killed the addiction
>>338118374
and look at how firefall's player count dropped by 90% when he left and they changed it all
>>338122303
Not sure what you're trying to say or imply
>>338120547
sadly Legion removes even more stuff from the game. I don't know how much longer they can survive on this trajectory.
>>338122452
Ability bloat isn't always a good thing
Also, warriors seem to have MORE buttons, compared to current arms which has less abilities than a hunter pet.
>>338118853
thankyou
>>338118625
>Go ahead, come up with a "spec" that fits their lore that makes any lick of sense
Cuck: a DPS spec that focuses on fueling their hatred for damage. Plus it even fits with the lore.
>Illidan got cucked by Malfurion
>Lady Vashj cucks Illidan with Kael'thas
>Akama cucks Illidan with Maiev
>Demon Hunters gets cucked by society
See fits very well
>>338124525
Their weapon of choice is already in the game as well
>He did nothing wrong
>>338125031
He was out-memed by the troll bro xd memers.
>>338124769
>warrior and paladin weapon
figures
Today I dreamt of being a rogue in vanilla. I wore in full t2, wielded claw of the black drake in my right hand and thunderfury in my left one. I was a guildmaster of a large, loyal guild that would always have people online willing to camp alliance raids in blackrock mountain or destroy people in portal room of ironforge or have fascinating duel tournaments.
I woke up angry as fuck.
>>338115010
It used to be, but not anymore.
>>338125031
>Orc War Hero from Draenor gets forced into a position of power
>Runs the Horde like an Orc War Hero from Draenor would
>Everybody's shocked and appauled
I dunno what Thrall expected to happen
>>338125197
>wielded claw of the black drake in my right hand and thunderfury in my left one
scrub.
>>338125197
you think you do but you don't
>>338125525
>MH'ing thunderfury
scrub
>>338122768
>each class gets gajillion of generic abilities that other classes already have, or generic damage spells with different visuals/animations
>woops guys, we have too many abilities, it's bad! we want our game to be like MOBA after all!
>remove all the old abilities that gave flavor to the game
Wards, mana gems, eyes of the beast, blood parasites, necrotic strike and for fucks sake half of the abilities left are only available to their respective "specs".
>want shatter as fire mage? lol no
>want evocation as frost mage? nah
who the fuck ever deemed this to be a good idea
>>338125609
>he uses claws and a sword and calls me a scrub
>mrw
>>338125713
Literally combat claw spec, 5% crit all the way
Or hemo :^)
Daggers are only good to fuck up clothies before they can even react, and shanker is a bit weak for that. Plus fuck that cc-breaking proc man.
Every class is being pruned down to about 4 to 6 brainless abilities that all do the same general shit, including "hero" classes like demon hunters.
Blizzard does this in the name of class identity (whatever that means) while getting rid of stuff like creating potions as rogues, collecting souls as warlocks and using ammunition or feeding your pet as hunters.
>>338125912
>Daggers are only good to fuck up clothies before they can even react
That's all I did as a rogue, it was the most fun thing ever.
I wish I could say Legion will kill this game, but it has been dead for a long time
>no social aspect required
>everything is done with a one-click tool
>worlds are rail-roaded theme park rides
>everyone gets a participation trophy game design philosophy
>nothing is difficult, just grindy
>writers clearly stopped caring about suspending the disbelief of the player
>2 million players, half of which are Chinese or robots
>the vision of what the game should be changes every expansion
>
>>338125701
I honestly wish they'd move further in the direction of mobas
make all of the main combat abilities feel meaningful and then fill up the rest of the spellbook with stuff to help with RP and class identity, bring back shit like divine intervention
hitting a target dummy shouldn't be hard
>>338126080
I am at an absolute loss for words with what they're doing regarding the prune. Are they genuinely trying to kill their own game? This shit looks even worse than WoD, which I never thought would have been possible. It's just not going to be possible to enjoy playing a game with 2 button dps "rotations" on every class.
>>338126167
Yeah, too bad it only really shines against mages though. Against all other classes you're better of with CC hemo provides.
>>338118853
What's the main difference between Kronos 1 and 2? Just different servers like Nost PvE/PvP?I probably won't play on Kronos or any private server for a while anyway just in case Legacy servers do happen, but I'd like to know.
>Affliction Warlocks only have 2 DoTs
>They spend most of their time spamming a direct damage ability
fucking lol
>>338126664
Back to the vanilla :^)
Now to reintroduce a debuff limit so you couldn't even use the dots
>>338126737
But downranked shadowbolt spamming was so hardcore!
DELETE THIS
>>338120964
Same shit with me f@m. I've played WoW since vanilla, and even though it became pure shit, I still played it because it was the game I once loved. Because it was still WoW at the end of the day, but I literally cannot stomach the thought of logging in right now and seeing my garrison and clicking the table. It's no longer an MMO. It's barely even a fucking game anymore.
>>338112076
1-100 is harder then getting gear in WoW
>>338127218
1-100 can be done in less than 10 hours.
>>338109798
How do I farm enough gold to be able to play this game for free? I've got about 100k from working the AH but given the prices on all the high volume markets (WoD crafting mats) are tanking, I really don't want to invest in the AH right now.
>>338127478
Have a garrison, have a lv3 salvage yard, do missions, sell transmog items.
>>338127478
Cata 25 heroic raids
more characters the better
>>338127478
>>338127601
Do this but have 10+ characters with maxed garrisons with max ilvl followers, and then quit the game because of how disgusted you will become with the garrison.
>>338127601
I've got a garrison but I've heard the gold missions are getting removed with the legion prepatch, so I've got like 8 weeks to realistically accomplish anything and I question how profitable it will really be.
>>338127624
Already on this, I'm at 675 iLvl and 25H Firelands was pretty straightforward except for the fucking spider. I plan to do this weekly but I've only got one 100 ATM, though I have a 90 I could level up. I was going to try and get Draenor flying before doing that but given how tedious that achievement seems I think I'm just going to tough out leveling on foot a second time.
>>338127478
Fill account with multiple paladins/dks and farm cata raids easily. Spend a day capping characters. They are the fastest to level since q times for tanks/heals are nothing. They also bypass mechanics in those raids and can do them easily at 670ilvl. Also do satchel runs with tanks and healers 500-600g per run and tank satchels are very frequent and give welfare account bound apexis gear
>>338127874
Gold missions are irrelevant. It's transmog gear from salvage that earns the money.
>>338127717
>needing more than one character
This is yet another reason why FFXIV shits all over WoW.
>>338127478
get a good set of scavenger and treasure hunter followers. you can recruit specific traits with your tavern
if max out all the resource missions you will cap your resources like once a week, use the trading post to buy mats that sell from the vendor, just wait for the vendor with the best price to show up.
the gold missions are just extra income that can be around 1k a day or more on average
you could also grind transmog gear which is what all those gold farming streamers are doing
>>338128150
What's the point of paying for a game and not experiencing all aspects in the game? Plus it's so stupidly easy to hit cap in wow now. Last week I capped and filled char lists on tich and malganis just for the fuck of it.
>>338111840
You would be surprise at the amount of new players WoW actually attracts.
>>338128002
I'm not sure how I feel about the transmog market, but I'll give it a shot. It's such a broad market that it takes months to move any individual item, you've got to have a character dedicated to relisting hundreds of items to pull in a consistent income.
I am on an RP-PVP server though so they might move faster. Considering moving to Wyrmrest Accord, which I imagine would be even better.
>>338127295
Getting 700 Gear can be done in less than 5 hours.
>>338128297
In XIV one character can play as all classes.
In WoW, you have to not only make a new character to play as a new class (that your race can already play as), but you have to reobtain all flight paths, reobtain all attunements, you cannot use soulbound gear (read: shit you've already obtained once) on one character for your other characters, and a slew of other total horseshit.
>>338128450
700 gear is complete garbage.
>>338128397
>new players
Nope, bg players are 90% bots.
>>338127295
I don't believe that, unless you have the money for constant XP pots or are using RAF. Draenor alone took me like 6 hours, with full heirlooms.
>>338128513
>700 gear is garbage
get 700 gear then bitch to someone to pull you through n hfc then h hfc and now you're at 720 regretting life decisions.
>>338128656
I don't know about 10 hours but that e-celebfag Sodapoppin streamed 1-100 in a day to make a point that the game is shit.
>>338128513
Let's me kill mythic raiders that probably spent weeks/months collecting their gear :)
Gotta love that ebin scaling gear
>>338128656
You don't need constant xp pots, 2 is enough for 90-100. Just nearly complete a bunch of bonus objectives, pop a pot and turn them all in. It took me about 2 hours.
So I finally got my semi-annual 7 days of game time that blizzard always sends me.
Logged in, leveled to 100 in less then 10 hours played, within meer hours of level cap I was already doing the retarded new archimonde fight
See, this is why I don't pay for this shit anymore, the end game is just repetitive grinding for the sake of some stupid stat like ilvl that does nothing but make your numbers bigger, legacy servers when?
>>338128513
700 ilvl gets you into most h hfc pugs
>>338128671
I never understood why some normal/heroic hfc groups specifically bar anyone with pvp gear. If anything that means you are actually a smarter player taking advantage of extremely easy to get welfare gear.
>>338128721
He had 950% bonus exp using virtually every exp boost in existence in addition to queuing for dungeons with his own group of friends.
He had the best possible environment to level up fast. You can get from 1-60 in Diablo 3 in literally 40 seconds, that doesn't mean jack shit though.
>>338128656
My guild has an easier way
>Get a guildy
>Go to a dungeon
>Clear up to last boss with the leveling character logged out
>Levelling character logs in
>Kill last boss
>Get exp bonus
>log out to keep exp potion running
>get to 90 in 2-3 hours
>At 90 just collect treasures on a 280% flying mount with exp pots
>90-100 takes ~45 minutes
>>338128909
He also made the point that it's actually entirely possible for a brand new player, in fact many people already do this, to go from 15-100 without ever leaving the main city.
Good lord the game is trash now.
>>338128809
the archimonde fight is great
everything is shit during LFR though so that's the problem
>>338128921
I feel if you have the cooperation of friends you might as well use RAF, it makes 1-90 absolutely ridiculous. And you get the bonus levels to grant.
I still need to get Draenor Pathfinder (I don't mind any of it except the rep, grinding rep has always been miserable) but I'm sure that'd speed up Draenor immensely.
>>338128907
Current drood alt, i've ran normal and heroic hfc with pvp gear on only, now i have almost full set of pve gear.
>>338129046
It's pretty sad really. Hit 15 and just never move again outside of dungeons. Queue up, tab out, and wait for notification while doing other shit. :'(
>>338129142
Archi is a snorefest, he has no challenging mechanics at all until Mythic. Imperator Mar'gok >>>>>>>>>>>>> Archi, on all difficulties.
>>338129046
Questing while popping dungeons for the quest clear is objectively faster. People who only queue from dungeons in the main city are only making it boring for themselves. It's not like that's the only way to level. And if you already have a capped main there's no reason to rush.
Recently made a char without using any looms and doing only quests. It was a refreshing experience.
>>338129243
please don't tell me you thought mar'gok was a good fight
>>338129329
Mythic Imperator was easily the best boss in all of WoD.
>>338129182
Same here, but 736 HPally. I got so much shit all the time from people buttmad I was able to walk into upper HFC at like 708ilvl wearing nothing but pvp 700s and 710s
I have three level 90's and 6 days left on free pass, whats the best way to farm gold for a token? I looked at a bunch of expensive pets/mounts to farm, but it looks like they don't sell regularly, wat do?
>>338110220
I had no idea what the fuck these were when I saw images of Arthas just chilling around the Broken Isles. He says one of these lines, gives your artifact 50 power and then disappears.
The horsemen quests and some of a dialog is interesting too, especially regardingNazgrim.When you first raise him, Thassarian seems all for it, wanting any and every able spirit to fight for them. Over time, he starts to have second thoughts about raising Nazgrim from the dead since Naz goes apeshit fairly often.
>>338128907
I've tried to raid with PVP players. They are freakishly bad at PVE mechanics most of the time.
>>338129142
Doesn't matter what mode its on.
If I've seen it im done with it.
It sickens me that people defend copy pasted dungeons as 'content'
Grinding for the sake of grinding is some mobage tier game design.
>>338129294
It's the fact you can do it. With ease.
It's "faster", not by a whole lot, but questing requires more effort. Queueing for dungeons and just hitting your AoE button and one single target button requires much less mental capacity.
They should at least make players unlock dungeons. Probably another great thing about FFXIV is that it forces new players to actually go do shit like unlock dungeons and go through the story to participate in content.
>>338128809
As opposed to what exactly? The same shit but spending 20 times as long on it?
>>338129392
Depending on your gear you could try soloing 25H cata raids. Even at 90 they can be doable, though it depends on how long it would take you to do them. Usually netted me about 7-8k gold from doing all of them.
>>338129474
The reason why they made leveling so easy is because of the huge gate for new players.
It makes it hard to advertise an expac when new players will need to grind through 10+ years worth of leveling just to reach the new shit.
They even admitted that leveling is broken and the free character boost removed the previous issue of a grind wall for new players. Which means they'll probably fix it in the expansion after legion.
>>338129506
Well spending 20 times longer would keep me interested long enough to actually pay for a sub
But blizzard hates money right now, its why they're driving away all WOW players, if it wasn't for the token Im damn sure the game would be sub 1 million subs, the game is subsisting off of whales.
The worst fucking part is WOW was, is, and will be the gold standard for MMO development for the rest of time, and like collectathons and platformers and metroidvania generes of the past, new MMOs will be stuck in the realm of low budget indie.
>>338129682
They'd better fix it sooner than that or they won't have any new players at all.
>>338129368
I'm finding it very difficult to disagree with you
and that hurts me
I think it was just overcomplicated and all the other fights suffer from either having too high an emphasis on killing adds or just felt messy when even when done correctly
>>338128740
What kind of "mythic raiders" are we talking about though? Top 50 or the ones who literally killed Arch a week ago?
>>338129378
what server you on ?
>>338129708
>Well spending 20 times longer would keep me interested long enough to actually pay for a sub
Man you must fucking love mobile gaming then.
>>338129682
But leveling has been broken since Dungeon Finder was introduced. Questing has always been the best source of EXP, but people still dungeon spammed because it was just easier, especially considering how cancerous the flight path system is for new characters, let alone new players.
>>338129761
Tich.
>>338109798
just started playing today. it seems the same as any other mmo
i only play mmos with 4 of my friends so the deadness dosent bother me.
>>338129682
The bizarre thing is they already have the technology to let you do the new quest content at level 1
it would be weird from an RP standpoint but with mob scaling and gear scaling available that's really the only argument I have against it
>>338129682
If they applied the dynamic zone levels thing from Legion to the rest of the world it would make leveling so much better. I have no desire to do Hellfire Peninsula for the 5th time, whereas I blew right through MoP in like one and half zones and it was a shame because I was really enjoying it. If I could just decide to level 1-100 in whatever zones I choose leveling would actually be fun again, and I wouldn't be doing like half a quest chain before I outleveled it.
>>338129775
>decide to quest
>do 1 dungeon
>outlevel the questing area
>>338129682
in the same interview they also said that vanilla combat took too long, so don't expect any 'fix' to be more than the usual watered down casual convenience. it'll still be mind numbingly easy
>>338129773
lolno
Fuck pay 2 not wait games
Fuck, WOW is pay TO WAIT, with daily quests and queue based content being the core of the game right now.
Give me a game I can keep playing and exploring new quests and class builds and shit, WOW used to be that, its fucking farmville tier garbage now, with a warcraft skin.
>>338129682
I know that the fucking 30 hours of bullshit I had to do at level 50 in Heavensward almost made not even bother with the actual expac stuff. I don't get people that want dozens of hours of padding before they can do anything that is actually new. I mean sure, its all well and good the first time, but after that?
>>338129865
Isn't that how Legion is going to work? The zones will be whatever level and scaled to you?
>>338129896
>>338129865
They talked about possible zone scaling to allow you to stay in a zone for longer instead of leaving in the same breath as leveling being broken. This would be amazing.
>>338129914
They also talked about a 15 second combat time in quest greens. Which is more than fine compared to today's 1 shot everything combat.
>>338129965
Wow never had infinite quests. And it didn't have many build either, unless you think swapping 1 5% damage talent for another 5% damage talent was a different build. No class ever had more than 6 or 7 even remotely viable builds. And I use the term viable very loosely.
>>338130007
so far it sounds like the level scaling starts at level 100, so if you gain access to the new zones at 98 for example, the mobs would still be level 100, at least that's what it sounds like
>>338129564
Ok, thanks for the tip broski.
>>338130163
Yeah it starts at 100 regardless. You can just level anywhere from there and it will scale with you.
You can't even start legion quests until your 100 anyway.
>>338130163
I imagine it is.
>hit level 60
>have epic mount to get
>have 6 massive dungeons to do, some taking hours to complete
>Have tons of quests to finish, including various questlines
>7 Raids to do, taking weeks or months to finish each one
>millions of gear upgrades over the course of years
>hit 100
>daily quests
>farmville simulator
>8, 15 minute long dungeons
>1 raid with 4 difficulties
>the gear you get is worthless next patch
>>338130059
Zone scaling doesn't sit well with me. Your character is supposed to get stronger in MMORPGs. If everything scaled, your character will always have the same strength relative to the world with the exception of item level, in which case why have levels at all?
The problem really lies with the fact they chose to neglect how the game would progress moving forward in regards to old content. They always focused on the new expansion as if it were a new game, and didn't stop to consider how the experience would evolve prior to the new content. This snowballed into what it is today. Level 110 where none of the old content matters at all. It's like pissing on all that time and effort developers spent making it.
FFXIV for instance incorporated an ingenious level scaling system that works to let players experience content as it was and forces players to scale down to experience certain content, but you can choose to do this content without scaling down. Coupled with the fact they don't completely overhaul their classes and abilities every new patch, the vanilla experience is largely unchanged since launch. Not only that, but they force players back into the old world with new content and allow dungeons to be done when scaled down to obtain some powerful loot.
>>338113274
I went from like 590 to 680 ilvl in like 3-4 hours in one sitting.
Ashran gives you too much gear way too fast
>>338130150
I'd take 6-7 builds over 3
>>338130408
I'd like to see them rework the game again.
Another cata expansion, except remove the retarded leveling and just revamp every zone
Instead of exp level grinding, you go out do quests and gear new gear and gear upgrades that unlock harder quests with better rewards
Fuck, thats essentially what Diablo 3 is now, and thats what legion's end game is going to be, they could just do that to the entire world of warcraft and they'd fix their entire leveling problem.
>>338115241
I take it that you're the Davian Thule I saw from time to time.
>>338130605
>I'd like to see them rework the game again.
Wishful thinking. They've got all this fucking content they could improve on, so why do we have to have a new island every expansion? Why can't an expansion have you go to Azeroth, Outland, and Northrend? Have content everywhere. Make players revisit old places.
Fucking Blizzard really killed their game.
>>338130404
>>have 6 massive dungeons to do, some taking hours to complete
>>Have tons of quests to finish, including various questlines
Remember Baron 45?I do because that's how I got my Deathcharger
>>338130605
>Another cata expansion, except remove the retarded leveling and just revamp every zone
Yeah because that worked out so well the last time they did it.
>>338112076
but that sucks balls anon what about the 2 other raids (out of 3 available)?
>Wanting to make gold but the auction house is dead until Legion.
>>338130719
Because then people would bitch about just reskinning old content instead of making new content. Which they already do.
Or they would bitch about how Blizzard ruined everything by changing old things, which they also already do.
>>338115241
Last names are easier to work with then having everyone using the entire god damn ascii alternative letters.
Trying to invite äëïöüÏÖÜ to your group is fucking painful.
>>338130729
Remember 2 hour Heroic Shadow Labyrinth runs because HOLY FUCK HUGE AND HARD JUST LIKE MY COCK?
Remember Magister's Terrace and its "fuck you bring as much CC as possible" design?
Remember getting lost in Blackrock Depths, because that's just what you and your tradechat pug decided to do?
Remember the strats you had to employ for smooth and successful heroic runs, like positioning players properly for Kargath in Shattered Halls, or that bird lady boss in Mechanar?
Game used to be fuckin' A.
>>338115192
since battle-rez's are raid-wide CD's people save it for heals/tanks.
I hate faggots like you when I can't rez the tank because you were rezzing dps. (just please don't do that in an actual raid)
>>338130775
There's still group for them from time to time. There's been catch up gear since TBC, however Ashran is a whole new level of catch up..
>check how survival hunters are gonna be
>now melee spec
Guess they are destroying some classes.
>>338112138
While I did like socializing in Vanilla (especially on Nost for kill squads to clean up horde in STV), I rarely did anything in a group because it punished your exp gain.
It was painfully dumb.
>>338130979
Oh no. Survival is actually getting something that sets it apart from the other specs. Fucking blizzard.
>>338130751
The reason why it didn't work last time is 90% of the playerbase didn't give a fuck about old zones
They didn't add anything to the old zones for max level players, which is 90% of the playerbase
And BC/wrath style quest leveling is retarded
>>338130810
This is my life as well. Playing the AH is fun, grinding is not. Might just let my account run out until Legion releases and get back into it then.
>>338131005
brb rolling hunter to hit things with a stick
>>338130751
They don't need to overhaul the zones, they just need to add more shit to them.
>>338130967
Remember Heroic Botanica botanists' Death and Decay killing t5 geared parties in 2 ticks? Good times.
>>338130975
There's been atleast SOME catch-up in wotlk atleast, think cata too (quit for cata and panda).
But still, WoD breezed through raids so fast that it's like HM and BRF never happened. I already forgot how they look like, and I raided that shit.
>>338130991
If you were in a group of players who weren't retarded, leveling was faster in vanilla in a group, especially since you gained a net exp bonus for being in a group, like 10% per player, though it was divided between all players so if each player was killing a mob at the same time, you'd be getting more exp in the long run
Problem was in 5 man groups the exp would slow down as mobs didn't spawn fast enough.
>>338129448
im not defending multiple difficulties just saying that in LFR most if not all fights are boring as shit because you can ignore most mechanics and still down the boss
>>338130979
>giving melee weapons back to hunters
>"no you don't understand"
survival is going to be great for hunters for the sake of spec diversity
this might be a little radical but I think mages, warlocks and rogues could do with a talent in one of their specs (similar to glad stance) that changes their role in raiding
>>338131308
>yfw Hunters get a melee spec
>yfw no "HUNTER WEAPON" because nobody gets a new weapon ever again
>>338131267
Still couldn't give a fuck.
Raiding was fun because of the questlines, new content, and gear.
None of that shit is in WOD's endgame.
>>338131267
Funny thing about LFR is that even casuals, who it was designed for, don't even like it. Most people just straight up dread having to do it every week.
>>338131308
They need to do something for all pure DPS classes.
Cause holy shit, queue times are becoming fucking attrocious, if hybrids want to have pure DPS as an option, then give me the option to tank or heal so I don't need to wait 1-2 fucking hours for an instance
>>338131360
"HUNTER WEAPON" was retarded
glad it's gone
>>338131308
Glad stance is being removed.
>blizzard wants all major npcs for a class to hang out together
>warriors get literally no one
>Paladins only major npc died and got turned into a deathknight
they clearly didn't think things through all the way
there have been many times in my long history with wow when i have said that something or other will kill pvp, and plenty of things have harmed it but we've yet to see the deathblow... until now
its over. welcome to world of templates. we are all stat sheets in holinka's massive digital game of dungeons and dragons
>>338131492
oh look its that one guy that thought Raptor Strike was for DPS
>>338131308
I've wanted a proper tank spec for Shamans or Warlocks since vanilla. It's never going to happen but that would be fucking amazing, if I could tank on my Shaman I would never need another class.
>>338131515
>>warriors get literally no one
>Broxigar
>Grom
>Varian
>>338131308
no one plays hunter for diversity, they're played for executing your 3 button rotation while doing fucking backflips and backpedaling the entire encounter
fuck caster mobility amirite
So when's the prepatch coming and current PvP season end? Because I still need 40 wins for my vicious saddle this season.
>>338131574
>Broxigar
>That one guy that actually scratched Sargeras
>Getting a menial role as a quest giver
Just resubbed after not playing since Cata. Leveled to 100. Got to Tanaan Jurasic Park and did some shit there.
What to do next bros? Just keep doing quests and exploring here until I can queue for heroics? Also are there any guilds for good banter? I mean in your guys' experience, obviously not referring to a specific realm.
>>338131574
>Varian
so sorry for your loss
>>338112105
>squishy as fuck
yeah you clearly haven't played one or watched any gameplay with them.
>>338131694
>good banter
>in wow
enjoy getting banned for hate speech, kek
>>338131494
I know, and it's sad, but in terms of spec diversity that's fine as warrior already has two other mdps specs, i'm just giving an example
>>338131539
I think we've misunderstood each other, I disliked hunters rolling on every single weapon they could use
>>338131615
Maybe this might attract some new hunters?
>>338131515
DKs may have gotten their 8-year old starting area as a class hall but man, they get the best followers. Nazgrim alone is amazing. Seriously considering maining DK for Legion.
>>338131557
>I've wanted a proper tank spec for Shamans
Shaman tanking back then was a meme and you know it
>>338131676
Didn't the retarded chronicle retcon Brox doing that anyways?
...How the fuck is Brox even in our time?
>>338131802
for real
every time i was ever in a guild i thought was having some "good" guild chat banter someone had to start talking about child rape
>>338111598
>>338110715
The only ones that get invites on a reliable basis are people who know GMs or people working for blizzard in some form or way. Not that blizzard gives a flying shit about their beta knowing they've probably put the EU beta servers in the US again
>>338112046
>I know what vanilla nostalgia people want despite not knowing what nostalgia people want
let me spell it out for you fucktard, they want vanilla WoW back the fact that nostalrius became as popular as it did in a short a timespan as it did proves that there's definitely a demand for it just that blizzard is too retarded to realize a good financial opportunity when it's thrown in their face. World PvP was dead in vanilla when battlegrounds started picking up in popularity, the only exceptions would be the plaguelands with the scarlett crusade elite spot for farming and the occasional tarrenmill/crossroads fights.
Gimme Vanilla and I'll play WoW again, despite the long grind from 40 to 60 where quests dry up, despite raiding being a chore of farming 7 hours for consumables for 4 hours of naxx, despite raiding being 20 people doing their job and 20 people being dead weight. Despite all that I'd do it again
