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Here is the definitive Overwatch TIERLIST for next week. If you pick a rank 4-5 champ, you are throwing the game!
shit list, op
kys
>>338028580
>BASTION not Tier 1
>Mei not Tier 1
REEEEEE
>>338028580
>Soldier 76 that low
>D.Va that high
>Torbjorn that low
>Junkrat that low
>Mei in bottom tier
Absolutely retarded fucking list. Mei, Tor, and Junkrat are absolute game-winners and often completely turn games around.
>>338028819
LOL tor is like the worst character in the game
his turrets die in 2 hits
>>338029006
>I don't know how to play as Tor
>>338029006
Turrets aren't what make him good, retard. and if your turrets are being hit, you already fucked up.
>>338028580
>reaper above tracer
>widowmaker that low
b8
>>338028819
>those stubby, mutant arms
MMMM GIMME GIMME
>>338028580
You're right about Lucio, I can tell you that
>mfw finding the toggle option for his crossfade
>>338028580
>dva in tier 3
lol no
>>338028580
Zenyatta need to be in Tier 5.
Mercy,Widow and Tracer are Tier 2.
Reaper and Genji are Tier 3.
D.va is Tier 4.
Aside from that, it's a fine list.
>>338029778
toggle be default. You mean the option to let you only switch to speed when holding shift?
>>338029994
Yes
>>338028580
>>338029814
>d.va not in tier 6
lol no
Op putting OP champions in tier 5 hoping someone takes the bait and not plays them.
>>338028580
>any of the 4-5 character asides from hanzo
>useless
>d.va
>not in tier 6
what?
how is mercy tier 3?
>>338028815
>thinking bastion is good
he's a shitter killing hero that can only do really well against not-shit people if he's got like two dedicated supports. At which points you're investing too much into a single hero and you'll just lose against good people anyway.
Bastion is garbage.
We can all agree this guy is the most balanced, right?No, just because he deflected your high noon doesn't make him broken
your tier list is unbelievably wrong and you probably played in a shitter bracket
>>338028580
this was made by someone who hasn't played the game
As a Reaper main I agree with putting him in T2. Memelords might harp on about his "LULSKILL Q", but he genuinely dominates any indoor area or when he has cover.
The only thing that 100% owns him is McCree (rightfully in T1), and I've being trying to condition myself to press L Shift immediately upon contact with McCree. If the flashbang misses into your wraithform you have a fighting chance.
Roadhog and Tracer also tend to have an edge over you, so you'll have to catch those 2 unaware.
Rest of the roster is pretty much free health globes
>>338030260
he's alright, one of the few characters I don't really mindunless there's 3 of them in my team
>bastion, mei, hanzo
>all tier 5
meme tier list made by one of you i bet
This is the definitive tier list.
>>338030260
no i was playing bastion and i just died in 2 seconds and u call that balanced?!?!
>>338030260
I'd say most classes are balanced well enough, except High Noon man and Jet Set Radio.
The most balanced one I'd say are Genji, Pharah, Soldier and Zarya.
What happened to tracer? did she get nerfed?
I remember just a few weeks ago there was quite the upset about her survivability
>>338030497
She's not strong, just annoying. She's like a mosquito.
>>338030431
Soldier is completely broken if you burst fire, just headshot people at medium range. Bastion tier TTK without being rooted.
>Mei
>Bottom tier
>>338030406
>characters that are countered easily by anybody with 2 brain cells
>not in tier 5
Explain yourself!
btw. See picture.
>>338030497
She's didn't get nerfed. People talk less about her since the beta is no longer available I guess. I don't think she needs a nerf at all though.
>>338030598
I wouldn't say he's broken. He does pretty good DPS and is survivable but he's overpowered.
>>338030686
fuck off blizzard employee
>>338030703
not overpowered* fück
here's a proper tierlist
>>338028580
Your tier list is stupid and the fact you actually took time of your life to make it only emphasizes how much of a faggot you are.
>>338030794
I agree with this more than the op
widowmaker is really fucking ridiculous in the right hands, sniping is too ez in this game and her gun powers too fast.
>>338030794
Swap Genji with Mercy.
>>338030794
Much better than op's but I'd move winston down and roadhog/mei up
>>338028580
>overwatch
>competitive
>champ
Game isnt even tdm or 1v1 kys with useless tiers. Play what you enjoy. Game is supposed to be casual fun.
>>338030794
>Move Roadhog up two
>Put Zarya and Wiston down two
>Bastion up one
okay
now we're getting closer
>>338028580
>bastion and mei not tier 1
>widowmaker not tier 0
Dunno if you are trolling or stupid
>>338030686
>all these bastion tiers
>takes so little time to git gud and realize he can be picked off in a second
I don't think I've ever had an issue with a bastion player beyond not expecting his damage on first encounter
Why is Roadhog bad?
>>338030834
>make it
I made it withgoogle search.
>>338030872
>>338030935
>>338030941
Mei and Bastion are pretty garbage on higher play. They're noob stompers.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cMXTauW6hHrqrCyiUYf-eFoKTX8g8CspAUru3ZFlrIo/edit#gid=63027879
>>338030834
>smug anime image
>calling anyone a faggot
Kys friendo
>>338030243
You can say that about every hero that people claim is good.
>>338031015
He's not.
>>338030202
Retards think Lucio is just superior to Mercy and not just filling a different niche.
>>338028580
>Junkrat in tier 4
>Bastion in tier 5
Haha, how about no. Mercy + Bastion tag-team is one of the strongest two man teams in the game. Junkrat is also great, if only for grenade spam and his ridiculous ULT.
>>338031059
No, you.
>>338031078
muh nigga
>>338031073
I mean why is he considered bad? He's so fun to play and easy to tank too.
>>338031015
>>338031129
Too much hp and no shields, feeds the enemy team ultimates. Has a pretty bad ult. Doesn't have much mobility either.
>>338031078
>Mercy with huge tits
>>338030764
>not overpowered
I don't know senpai, either I'm really good or he's broken, it's literally point and click at the heads of most characters and get kills. The only characters that cause trouble are people like genji and tracer.
>>338031129
I agree with you. Pretty much every tier list puts him as low tier even though when i play with him i consistently get POTG and most gold medals.
>>338028580
>throwing the game
holy fuck who cares
this one is probably the the most accurate tier list
winston is debatable but i put him in tier 1 because he's wins by himself if he fits
tier 1 is god tier picks on any map
tier 2 can all carry games
tier 3 are very situational
tier 4 is meh and needs buffs, you shouldn't play tier 4
tier 5 is garbage and needs buffs. symmetra is debatable, her portal puts her into tier 3 in comp/very high level solo q but she's fairly useless once you reach a certain point on the map/certain maps entirely
>>338031129
>>338031015
could somebody please confirm for me whether or not his hook is hitscan? I can never get a straight answer with this one and it's really hard to test when i'm dogturds at aiming and have noone to test with
>>338030794
Mercy is at the least Tier 2, come on now. There are too many combos with her that work well to be placed in mid tier.
>>338031129
He isn't a good tank. His HP is largely offset by his big size and he has no armor. The fact he can self heal is the only thing that makes him somewhat survivable.
He doesn't really disrupt the team that much other than his ult. He can pick people off with his hook but someone could also just snipe that person.
>>338030076
why would people use that though?
you're basically changing toggle sprint to hold to sprint
>>338031191
He's really good, especially if you can aim well, since he doesn't have much recoil and can heal himself. But he doesn't do obscene amounts of damage.
>>338031262
He is amazing against people who don't know the game. Against experienced players however he's not too good as he's a big, slow ult feeder.
>>338031306
>d.va not in tier 5
if anything she's the only one who needs to be there
>>338031151
What else would you give her?
>>338028580
cowboys ultimate is too op
>>338031306
>this one is probably the the most accurate tier list
>hanzo, roadhog and d.va tier 2
It's a tier list for scrubs I guess.
>>338030243
>he's a shitter killing hero that can only do really well against not-shit people if
>if
Well most players are shit so it's okay.
Why do people keep implying that Winston isn't absolute shit
>>338031430
My dick. Also, Mercy is on the big side of a B cup at most. She ain't carrying gallons of milk on her chest.
>>338031129
There's no real reason for him to exist. He's listed as a tank, but he's only a tank for himself. He's pretty nice at picking people off individually with his hook, but you can do that with a DPS character. I would rather have an actual tank or a DPS character on my team. That being said, he's really fun to play as and people tend to get upset when you keep hooking them.
>>338031306
This is a bit more accurate. I'd throw Mei in tier 2
>>338031078
Left boob is like 8 cup sizes below right boob, shit tier artist.
>>338031142
>>338031342
Yeah I agree. His ult is pretty bad at disrupting enemy team compared to Winston's. I mainly use Roadhog and Winston as assassins to pick off supports.
Who /Soldier 76/ here?
>Absolutely no skill required ult
>>338031495
Because he's pretty viable. Double Winston strats were common in tournaments. He's pretty mobile, has high hp with armor on top, has an alright shield, great ultimate for disruption and survivability.
>>338031603
I feel guilty using his ult, sometimes I don't use it at all. It's such a shame cause Soldier 76 is pretty fun.
>>338031323
As somebody who fucks with his roadhog playing friend by mei ice walling. I can almost gaurantee it's not.
>>338031660
but isn't Winston hardcountered by McCree? You literally can't out DPS him since he'll just pocket sand fan shift reload and fan again if you're not dead by the first fan.
>>338031372
>But he doesn't do obscene amounts of damage
I don't know anon, he's essentially a Widowmaker without zoom.
>no damage falloff
>hitscan
>variable fire rate in exchange for accuracy
>good damage
>speed buff
>heals
>AOE in a pinch
If you tap fire, you get perfect accuracy all the time and I've used this to melt tanks at sniper like distance, without having to deal with loss of periphery vision like widowmaker or projectile shenanigans like Hanzo.
People complained that McCree was too much of a Sniper, but really Soldier 76 is the hidden Sniper that no one uses right, he can engage and excel at every range.
His only weakness is that he truly has no way to counter flankers who tend to have movement or escape, but as far as a fighter, few heroes are as versatile.
Maybe he's not overpowered, but he's really, really strong.
>>338031603
Ult may not require skill but he has solid aiming requirements otherwise and can rocket jump. Guarantee he's a sleeper high ceiling character.
>>338031495
He's more deadly than most people think in a coordinated group. Have monkey man leap in and start shocking people and then have your teammates wipe the floor with everyone while they're distracted. His DPS is actually pretty high if you're hitting more than one target.
>zeny in two
He has no health and no mobility options. Now that he has to maintain eye contact with the people he's healing/debuffing he's easy picking.
>>338031323
>>338031695
It works as a hitscan but it can be blocked with some terrain. You can hook someone that's turning around a corner and still pull them after they take cover behind it. But stuff like the ice wall can block it after it's travelling to it's target. So it works like a hitscan for hit confirmation but acts as a projectile. At least that's what I know.
>>338031142
Winston is the same shit but no kill potential, just that you can fly around like a giant turd. And don't act like winston shields are worth a shit, they have like no HP.
The thing about roadhog nobody fucking ever mentions is his CC. That hook doesn't just displace you cockslaps, it STUNS. He's like a fat mcree.
>>338030417
No,this is the only tier list you will ever need
>>338031603
he's my boy
the healing station is so good
>>338028580
Threadly reminder Overwatch is tf2 with waifus
>>338031791
McCree counters every class in the game at close range. With his stun, he has enough DPS to end anyone.
>>338031695
That's incredibly rude and you should apologise
>>338031838
desire to buy game : waning
>>338028580
>Widow, Mercy, Tracer, Soldier, and Junkrat that low
>Zenyatta that high
You're a retard. Widow is probably the only character that's actually semi-OP, Mercy's resses are god-tier all on their own, Tracer is amazing in the hands of a good player, Junkrat is great AOE, and Soldier is basically never a bad pick even if he isn't the best one.
Only true list
>>338031791
Everybody is hard countered by McCree. There's nobody he can't kill. One tactic was going 2 Winston, 2 McCree a Lucio and a Tracer for instance.
>>338031801
There is some damage falloff I believe. I do agree that he's really strong, but he's not a guaranteed pick. Which tells me that he's not overpowered. I can understand where you're coming from though.
>>338031850
That's why people use double Winstons not single ones. Roadhogs stuns does not save him from being a big, slow ult feeder.
>>338031901
McCree is also slow and his boots jingle jangle. I bet over time people who are good will learn his footstep noises.
>>338031306
Symetra is at least tier 3 or 4. Her shield and shield penetrate make that.
Winstons is no higher then 2 if you're lucky
BUgg guy is tier 3 if used properly
>>338031660
Double winston isn't what makes that composition strong you nitwit, it's the double lucios and the tracers doing all the work. The winstons are literally fat distractions that get healed from across the map by the 30 mile radius that is lucio heal. It could be literally any two tanky characters(in fact I think reinhardts would work infinitely better). Besides winstons are easy as shit to kill with shotguns or mcree.
>>338031990
>2 Reinhardts in tier 1
>>338032029
McCree has the same walking speed as the majority of heroes.
>>338031603
Remember you cant do headshots with your ulti and if you stand infront of a tank its a waste
>>338031129
He's not such an efficient damage dealer, as a tank he's the worst of the bunch, he has no mobility and no support abilities, ult does nothing most of the time.
By inefficiency I mean he can't fuck up tough characters left and right like junkrat or high noon can, instead you have to wait for his hook to charge or for idiots to stay inside your ideal range. Guaranteed kills with the hook are nice but dedicated dps characters are just much more consistent. As a tank he's not worth much, having to constantly duck behind cover to heal.
But he's my main also and favorite character by far
>>338031990
>Winstons higher then D.VA
Lol no
>>338031874
tf2 doesn't have abilities
>>338032090
One of them is Lionhardt.
>>338028580
This list legitimately makes more sense upside down, and even then
>>338032087
>nitwit
Rude. Winstons are a part of that comp and other tanks aren't. It's because winston is way more mobile and survivable than all the others, especially with his ult. He's not there to kill teams, he's there to tank, disrupt and be a nuisicene overall.
It works especially well since the game modes revolve around capture points and payloads.
>>338031990
>rienhardt's brother, Ronhardt
>op
Ronhardt is fucking usless honestly.
This is the only, legitimately accurate list in this thread. I probably have the most time played of anyone on /v/. Anyone that disagrees probably either doesn't know what they're talking about or are arguing on emotion rather than fact.
>>338032096
He's the only short range damage character with no mobility. Reaper has wraith and Tele, tracer has blink.
>>338032212
Stonehardt, but that's already 90% correct..
>>338032025
>There is some damage falloff I believe.
I've tested it, no damage falloff and hitscan accuracy with no cone of fire on first shot guaranteed. Sniper 76 is real, try it on release.
>>338032251
You also think every character is extremely good, which just shows your tier list is useless.
>>338032251
>I probably have the most time played of anyone on /v/.
>Torbjorn Tier 1
>McCree not Tier 1
>Roadhog Tier 2
>Tracer Tier 3
I don't know anon, seems like you only played against solo players who don't know the game. Or you are one yourself.
>>338032257
At medium range, he deals out pretty massive damage. Devastating damage if it's a headshot. At short range, he has so much DPS that not a single character can compete. He's a super powerful character.
>>338032375
>every character is extremely good,
Most are, yes.
>>338031850
I feel like his fat ass should have passive that makes it so people don't get their ult charged from hitting him. He's an ok character but people with half a brain will try and stay out of his hook range as much as they can if they arent close range characters.
>>338032257
>McCree
>short range
he best at short range but hes great for picking and chip damage
>>338028580
someone can't play hanzo
>>338032251
>torb
>top tier
how bad are you
How is tracer any good? Her damage output is low, her health pool is small, even considering she can rewind damage. She's just so frail that it doesn't matter.
>>338032336
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KzjgwG2qsaYlFp3KxXGh27FtA11aRLqntCfcK37b_Hg/edit#gid=2036599087
This is a pretty reliable source and it says that he has damage falloff. 5-17 damage per bullet.
So, I dunno, would have to check.
>>338032025
>I need to use TWO of a character
Also calling it now, tank characters will fall out of the meta really fast if blizzard doesn't reinforce it somehow.
Other classes can disrupt better, and kill better. As you put it, tanks only exist to feed ults. That goes double if they're getting healed to absorb more damage.
You're gonna see more mobility/ariel based comps. Junkrats/pharas and mercies. Genji for reflection and mobility. More tracers. More lucios. Eventually you'll see some tor/syn to counteract it with turrets, but mobility in this game is too high ceiling. Tanks will only be useful on very specific closed koth maps.
>>338032192
>ULTS ARE ORIGINAL LMAO
>>338032485
Widowmaker is objectively superior because she uses a hitscan rifle. There's no reason to play Hanzo.
>>338032257
You don't need it when everyone just melts.
>>338032386
>Torbjorn Tier 1
His gun and armor packs are GoAT, he'd be top-tier sans turret.
>McCree not Tier 1
He's great but not as much as people are making him out to be.
>Roadhog Tier 2
I copied someone's list and forgot to move him to tier 3 or 4
>Tracer Tier 3
An annoying fly swatted by burst damage
>>338032495
You don't play Torb right, my friend.
Tiered numbers should be replaced with letters. Ranging from S+ to A-.
All characters have a use in the right situation. No character is plain flat garbage. Letters show that even there they are own separate tiers, they aren't that miles in front.
Sume are just a bit better.
>>338030686
Hero switch my ass, I will main a champ until I can rape everything with him.
>>338032658
You keep saying that but don't back it up.
>>338032496
Her ultimate is impossible to play around
>>338032510
I don't disagree with what you're saying, it happened before with the Zenyatta comp.
I do however think that the tanks will have a place in chokepointy maps and king of the hill maps.
>>338032579
Torbjorn is hard countered by a bunch of characters, his armor packs are a one time deal. He doesn't bring enough utility and is never used in higher play.
McCree has one of the highest DPS' in the game in close range, he can insta kill most heroes with his stun and right click and most tanks with two right clicks.
Tracer is very hard to kill and follow if she's played by an experience FPS players.
>>338028580
Baiting this hard.
>shitters whining about literal bottom-tier trash like Bastion and Mei
OP's tier list is pretty accurate, except that Tracer should be brought up a tier and Zenyatta should be brought down to tier 4-5 after he got nerfed into the ground
>>338028580
>playing the game with a faggot male
gaylord
>>338030686
>instead of using skill just swith to a counter
what a great "competetive" game they have here.
>>338032485
Ironic, this image. Apart from clearing a path with his ult and making foes scatter, there's no reason to pick Hanzo over Widow. She's the superior sniper, especially in a sniper duel between the two.
Tracer is tier 1
Reinhardt is tier 2
Mcree is tier 3
Actual competitive players will tell you this. Not bothering with the rest of the list.
>Here's my tier list
>But character shouldn't be that high/low
>"Lol you're just playing it wrong"
Everyone here is dumb and doesn't know shit.
Almost everyone here is judging these tiers from a one week beta.
>>338031858
>Throw Zarya into the trash
Go cry to cripplechan, shes the most satisfying character to learn.
Lighting gun, shield parries, and black hole all take skill.
>>338032859
>Tracer is tier one
kek
>>338032740
I didn't think it was all that good. It's not even a top Ultimate.
>>338032796
I understand that Mei is garbage but I still hate that she farts all over D.va with such ease, I know D.va is about as bad but she's a real pain to play against
>>338032907
Just ult mercy every time it's up and your team will win
>>338032859
>mccree is tier 3
lol
OW tier lists at best should be tier 1 and tier 2, anything lower means you don't know how to play the character and need to git gud.
Categories is a better way to classify the usefulness of OW characters though.
>>338032087
Winston is tracer's hard counter, that's why he's the tank over Reinhardt.
Even the best Reinhardt can't stop a good tracer because of blink.
>>338032496
She's bad on paper but in practice shes the most annoying piece of shit ever and literally designed to make the other team tilt.
>>338032963
Mei is the ultimate buzzkill of the game. Alongside Torbjorn's turret, Winston's auto-aim and McCree's stun.
>>338032981
This
Everyone has a use. Just gid gud at them
>>338033052
If you can't handle a stupid fucking monkey then you're retarded.
>>338032894
Yes, in very high level play she is god like and can't be properly stopped by most characters.
>>338028580
Definitive my fucking ass, this is literally a "Characters OP sucks dick at" list. Kill yourself.
>>338028580
HERE IS THE TIERLIST ACTUALLY USED BY THE PROS!
>>338032981
Tier 3 as well for characters that you shouldn't use in their role though.
Dva and roadhog for example don't come close to high level Winstons or reinhardt.
>>338032981
>>338033083
Tier lists should be about high level play, not scrubs.
>>338033106
Where did you hear me say that? I can swap to McCree and fuck him anytime. I just think it's retarded to give characters auto-aiming guns. Symmettra is another one.
>>338032851
Not just for a defensive hero though, I know that's what they're classed as but I also enjoy having fun going offensive with hanzo which to be honest I'm not good enough to do with widowmaker
>>338033205
But D.Va literally destorys Winston hard. She has her uses.
And that second wind is helpful
>>338032498
Don't know what to tell you anon, he was doing consistent damage across all ranges during closed beta. Maybe they changed that in open beta, which I missed.
>>338033165
Payload and king of the hill should have different tier lists.
Reinhardt for example is used more in payload offense, but Winston is almost always the tank picked in king of the hill
>>338033165
>Zenyatta A
That's pretty outdated anon, I posted the recent one here >>338031036
>>338032889
Sure they take skill, but when she's competing with a Reinhardt who can nullify nearly every damage ult with his m2 then you have to ask what's her place as a tank? In a competitive environment she's just too slow and short ranged to not be in the fucking trash where she belongs.
>>338033262
>I don't know how to use a character properly
>Lol its a scurb character
This but with less hanzo
>>338028580
Shit bait. Shouldn't you be in school, buttbaby cancer?
HERE is what pros are actually picking. Don't see fucking BASTION or TURRETDWARF anywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvCT9bD1Zg8
>>338033336
>tanks are measured by their ability to combat other tanks
Lol no
Reinhardt is good for his shield
Winston has his good mobility and anti pest gun
Dva and roadhog have nothing going for them.
>>338028580
>haven't played the beta but the archery ninja and bastion looked interesting
welp
I guess I'll just play the Swiss semen demon then.
>>338033342
>Maybe they changed that in open beta, which I missed.
That's likely. Guess we'll find out after launch.
>>338033426
>Playing unviable characters to cripple yourself
>In a competitive shooter
>>338028580
>implying top end coordinated premade tiers are the same as random uncoordinated pub tiers
>>338028580
>Torbjorn still low on the list
I see shitters have not unlocked his true potential yet
>>338033484
>I don't know how to use character effectively
>It has to be unviable
>>338033505
Ah, the shitter list
>>338033528
No, most pubs have unlocked his potential.
He's just so easily countered by characters most people are already picking.
>>338033553
>he picks hanzo instead of widow
>roadhog and d.va instead of reinhardt, winston or zarya
You know you can't balance 21 heroes perfectly right? This isn't about using them effectively, it's about how useful they are.
>>338033461
But Winston's can barely take out things turrets like D.Va can as his guns are weak as hell.
And being able to counter Winston's must be useful as he is apparently used a lot.
So, lore question coming from someone that hasn't played it, but has read a bit into it.
The big conflict that caused Overwatch to come back into action was the terrorist group, the Talons, of which Reaper and Widowmaker are part of.
However, we've got a grand total of 2 'evil' characters alongside 2 'bad' characters (Junk and Road) and 17 heroes.
Why not have a more diverse shade so it's not the good guys killing the good guys all the time? Are some characters villains and I just never noticed?
>>338033459
there is a bastion and even a d.va in that video
>>338033658
I love bullying Torb and Bastion scrubs with Pharah and Widow.
>Ryan Hart is top tier
Can someone explain to me how the probability of picking a hero in a game can be above 100%?
>>338033390
Shes a support-tank, a tank that complements other tanks, because this is a team game.
>>338028580
Sorry but Mercy > Lucio. This is agreed upon by all competitive players.
>>338033723
and the bastion team is losing hard :>)
It bothered me that no one got it right.
This is for level 50+ matchmaking.
>>338033681
If he uses his ult right he has almost 1500 hp to work with and can massively disrupt the opposing team if he coordinated with his own.
>>338033779
they can run two
>>338033779
It's stupid but the people who make the tier lists account for double picks which inflate the pick change above 100.
>>338033681
Tanks are not damage dealers, they are tanks.
Their main purpose is to absorb damage. His counters are reaper (since he's forced to get close to deal damage anyway) and widow maker (who he can't even touch).
Using a tank to counter a tank gimps your team hard
>>338028580
So many sad fat virgins and their waifu retardation lists. This is how a proper alpha list looks like, based both on skill cap, style and design.
>>338028580
>tier 1 is 1v1 faget tier
Fuuuuck off
>>338031078
Mercy is just a single target healer that can't out-heal anyone's damage. Lucio heals everyone and doesn't require a line of sight, so your team has more freedom to move as long as they're in your range. And his healing ultimate is nuts.
He's just a more dynamic support player and opens up better plays on a less coordinated pug team.
>>338028580
>D.Va not tier 5
>Mei tier 5
>Junkrat and Roadhog tier 4
how to spot a shitter
>>338033839
I'm not a nazi
>bastion will be bad forever because shitters literally cannot do anything other than walk directly at him and die, which makes him "OP" and nerfable
>>338033889
>lucio tier 3
was he nerfed or do you have literally no idea what you're doing?
>>338033889
Roadhog is above bastion so I can immediately discredit your list on the basis of being a shitter / biased
>>338033934
Just a small correction, Lucio does need LoS.
He just has a big AoE that can heal himself and his team.
>>338033987
He wasn't, still a guaranteed pick. That anon is stupid.
>>338033987
I don't enjoy playing support, Lucio is a manlet. Fuck off beta faggot.
>>338028580
Which ones did this retard actually get right?
>>338033987
>Blizzard
>Balancing their games
ayy
>>338033876
>Their main purpose is to absorb damage
Wrong. They have other uses.
If it were just absorb damage everyone would only ever pick Reinhardt.
>>338034012
Got anymore of these
>>338033819
Any actual support except Symmetra who should be defense supports a tank better. Almost any offense or defense hero will be able to do more damage. Anyone on the other team will just avoid hitting her shields and take care of her before she can close the gap. I'm not arguing about her role, I'm just saying other character's do everything she does better and the things about her that make her unique are very underwhelming competitively. Plus she's a Slav who as we all know are born in countries consisting of nothing but trash.
>>338028580
This is a lie my girl tracer cant be that low, shes gotta be at least 2 and higher than reaper.
Shes my waifu yeah but shes really good too, if youre good at run n gun.
>>338034087
he got the top tier right and that's about it
>All these people who know nothing of support.
Mercy > Lucio
Mercy is the best support in the game thanks to her quick healing and damage boost. Lucio is considered better than Mercy WHEN there is a Mercy on the team. Which doesn't make since but hey, whatever Lucio players wanna tell themselves to seem like their manlet BR character is worth something.
Even though in tournaments everyone is copying the top team and going double Zenyetta and Genji right now.
>Roadhog that low
>>338033934
>cannot outheal anyones damage
>player effectively has regen
>player obtains damage boost when regen is not required
If people play properly, Mercy can and will cause issues. What she offers to a single target is more than enough to render them more effective unless they go against those that can effectively one shot you.
>>338034124
Wow, it's almost like I said main purpose and not only purpose!
And guess what? In competitive play people do only pick Winston and reinhardt, occasionally they pick Tumblr for her shield strats.
Dva doesn't get use because she's slow and piss weak.
Roadhog doesn't get use because he's slow and hands out ults like free candy to the other team.
>>338034056
He does require LoS? I thought he just required range
best healer
RYUJIN NO KEN WO KURAE > RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU
>>338034227
2 Lucio > 2 mercy
That's why Lucio is top tier
>>338034227
>Even though in tournaments everyone is copying the top team and going double Zenyetta and Genji right now.
source?
>>338034316
RYUU GA WAGA TEKI WO KURAU!
>>338034227
>AoE heal
>can heal self in combat
>speed boost
>best ultimate in the game, can counter most ultimates and pushes
against
>single target healing and damage boosting
>second best ultimate in the game
Mercy is good but Lucio is better. He's always a guaranteed pick.
>>338034302
Yeah, the heal can be blocked with terrain and objects. You can heal through them.
>>338028580
>mei
>shit
>zenyatta
>tier 2
>junkrat that low
>dva that high
So the Overwatch community really is retarded.
>>338034316
IT'S HIIIIIIIIGH NOOOOOOOOOON
>>338034349
It used to be the case before the Zenyatta nerf. That anons knowledge is outdated.
>>338030417
Why would you throw Roadhog in the trash? The Hook is so fun to use, and useful as well.
>hook Pharah from flying around
>Throw hook at a Tracer's previous location to hook her when she backtracks
>Hook annoying Mercy zipping around
>Hook fucking Bastion fags into the middle of your team
Squishies die mostly, from a pull combo as well. Frankly, i liked using all characters. Unless you are playing with a premade group of friends, there's no reason to play all of them, or whatever you find most fun.
What's wrong with Torb? I feel like I'll be playing as him a lot.
>Tier 1
Whatever I like
>Tier 5
Whatever I dislike
Great job guys, keep 'em coming.
>>338034387
But Mei IS shit anon. Like Bastion, she's only good in low skill games.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cMXTauW6hHrqrCyiUYf-eFoKTX8g8CspAUru3ZFlrIo/edit#gid=63027879
>He doesn't play Reinhardt
>Blocking literally all damage
>Slamming people into walls or throwing them off the level
>Look great in every cosmetic
>That voice
i have other 1000 hours ingame
here is the TRUE tiers from my point of view
>>338031015
>Why is Roadhog bad?
No shield, bad ult and just a hook-shotgun combo machine. No real utility.
>>338034456
Easily countered by snipers, Pharah, Junkrat etc...
Good against scrubs, pretty unviable in high play.
>>338031078
Right on. Lucio is great in his own niche. Mercy and Lucio fill 2 different spots
>mfw people think they occupy the same position on a team
>teams not picking Mercy AND Lucio
ayyy
>>338034227
I'll agree that you can make a better team with Mercy and she's better in a coordinated group. But just playing games with a group of random people, i have to say Lucio is more effective
>>338031396
her ability to consistently open up points alone makes her a top tier character. the rest of her kit is great too, especially her E which allows the team to cross choke points. also trades favorably with almost every character and has the mobility to favorably pressure snipers. she'd be tier 1 if she had range.
>>338031487
roadhog literally one shots 70% of the cast and the game generously makes sure that your hooks hit even through obstacles. also, his ult is insane on certain maps.
hanzo has a game winning ult that's really easy to use, which is enough for tier 2. rest of his kit is fantastic too.
>>338031536
mei is countered by running away and her ult requires her team to back her up, which is too much to ask for tier 2.
>>338032080
there's actually nothing you can do against a winston who really wants to kill you, it's his unique all-powerful ability.
symmetra should be tier 4.
robot healer is tier 4 because the other healers are much better in every situation, there's no reason to ever pick him.
>>338034435
>It used to be the case before the Zenyatta nerf.
I would say I think you need to check again, but you know. No game. Cloud9 was running it for a while at the end.
>>338033459
>Don't see fucking BASTION
Did you watch the video?
The first game has a bastion and they switch to two bastions at one point.
They countered it well but thats besides the point.
>>338028580
hatethisgame
>>338028580
>Tier list
>Before the game even comes out
Most games take months to actually make a tier list, and most of us will never actually experience competitive play.
Just play whoever you want to play and have fun with the game for fuck sake.
>>338033459
In the most recent tournament, both teams in the finals used Bastion on offense and defense nearly every round.
>>338033934
Some people just dont get the fact that Lucio,alone,as a healer,can't really do anything when playing against a competent team. You need both Mercy and Lucio. They synergise well together.
So this game competitively is going to suck right?
Causally it will be all for fun and people won't care for teams that much and pick their favs that fit the role the team is missing.
But for Competitively all babies will pick ONLY from top tiers. Blizzard will over buff lower tiers and then they'll be the new top tiers, and then it will just repeat itself. Plus the over amounts of focus on team work will make people really ass mad when their team makes a mistake.
>>338034618
Roadhog also literally is an ultimate feeding machine. Big hitbox and slow movement. His ult is also actually garbage tier, compared to other offensive ults.
>hanzo
>game winning ult
What am I reading? Do you also think D.va's ult is OP or something? Widowmaker is a way better sniper.
>>338034636
Can you link me to it? Must have missed it. Zenyatta was the least used hero in the latest closed beta tournament. They might have tried it again, to see how it feels maybe?
>>338034523
>But Mei IS shit anon. Like Bastion, she's only good in low skill games.
Yeah man
>very very survivable
>shits on tanks and heroes like genji
>one of the best area denial skills in the game with her ult
>ice wall in any way not great
>>338034537
>that voice
Sorry, but his voice is shit. Everything well works well. The voice sounds retarded as fuck. The actor just tries to hard. Is that how a german is supposed to sound?
>>338034805
>Plus the over amounts of focus on team work will make people really ass mad when their team makes a mistake.
Uh, that's kinda the point of every team-based competition/sport ever isn't it
>>338034336
No one runs 2 Lucio aside from very specific instances though.
Mercy + Lucio is currently the best all around comp.
A single Lucio won't save you.
>>338034858
>Sorry, but his voice is shit.
All voices and dialogue is shit in this game, so that's really not something you even need to point out.
>>338034857
>Mei
>Shitting on tanks
???
Anyways he's right: Mei isn't picked in competitive for a reason. In fact, she has a lower pick rate than Bastion. Thicc waifu is just a meme.
>>338034857
She's only useful in king of the hill maps for the reasons you mentioned. She has low mobility and damage to make up for her utility otherwise.
Did you see that she was the second least used hero in the tournaments?
>>338034885
Well yeah I guess. Shit like LoL causes people to get way to mad when it is competitive. Luckily there are no F2P shitters so maybe it will be better.
And I should have rephrased it to "thinks there team made a mistake" A lot of fags that try to solo games get mad when they can't
Although doesn't this game have a forced group competitive, like you can't do it solo? I can't remember.
>>338034941
Thats your oppinion. Just like my oppinion that Reinhardt has a shit voice. I like McCree's voice, Roadhog, Mercy and Pharah. To my ears, Reinhardt's is the only one that does not fit his character.
>>338035090
>doesn't even say guten tag or (at least to my knowledge) ANYTHING in German
cmon blizz...
>>338035079
Yeah, you can't do it solo. I think the rage at teammates that I'm assuming you're implying is more a fault of aspie gamers than anything else. I think as time goes on and these "esports" grow larger, more competitors will become more socially capable and understand how it all works.
>>338034456
his turrets arent very good at area denial and he doesnt offer much else
his armors good but superfluous on anyone with more than 200 health
and hes just too fucking slow from the lack of mobility skills
>>338035013
>competitive
You imply whatever drooling retards that are playing "competitive" in a closed beta for a game aimed at people with no brain think what is good or bad.
>>338035090
>Thats your oppinion. Just like my oppinion that Reinhardt has a shit voice. I like McCree's voice, Roadhog, Mercy and Pharah. To my ears, Reinhardt's is the only one that does not fit his character.
How are any of those voices good? Or their lines?
What are you comparing them to? Certainly not something good.
>>338035305
Did you have a seizure? Your sentence makes no sense.
But either way, I'd value their opinions higher than yours.
> it's a 3 Widowmakers sitting way in the back, sidestepping left to right, trying to shoot and get kills in an enclosed objective episode
why? just...why? please.. i want to know.. why?
please guys, explain to me. i try to think about how can these people find the game fun,when they literally sit in the back, ALL GAME, get only a couple of kills, and cause the team to lose, every time. i would just stop playing. i mean, winning is fun right? why don't they want to win? or at least put in some effort. is team pvp gaming truly lost? i remember, when i was a kid, playing online games/mmos people still had a modicum of skill and brain cells. nowdays it just feels like whenever you hop online, to play some competitive game, you just end up mad and frustrated cause the majority of times your teammates are fucking retarded,and you are the only one trying to play an objective, or pulling to get a win.
when did things go so wrong guys? what the fuck happened?
>>338035381
new character already announced
>>338035394
>But either way, I'd value their opinions higher than yours.
Then that makes you even more stupid that the idiots you blindly put your faith in.
Tell me, what kind of people were invited to the closed beta? Go on, tell me.
>>338035385
i don't compare them to anything man. it's just about stuff that's pleasing to your ears. i wasn't speaking about the lines here, but about their actual voices. i mean, surely, you must like the sound of some people's voices more than others,right?
>>338035415
I honestly don't know.
I mean I'd think the fucking TOO MANY SNIPERS warning would give them an idea to maybe change hero. But they just don't.
Your only option is to play more and get a higher level so you're not paired with such shitters.
High tier
>Characters that counter me
Mid tier
>Characters that don't count me
Low tier
>Characters I counter
>>338035305
>Top tier players that have thousand have hours in TF2 play a similar game to it for months in the open beta.
>Anon from /v/, who can't even articulate himself properly, claims to have better knowledge to discuss what is viable.
>>338034618
actually the more i think about it, robot healer should be tier 5.
pick him for damage? there will always be objectively better alternatives.
pick him for heal? same thing.
he should never ever be picked.
>>338034834
his ult is fantastic on maps where you can push people off with it. also, you're obviously playing him wrong if you're running around in the open to soak up damage where you can't trade back.
>hanzo and dva ult
i don't think you're properly thinking about the game. getting people to move from where they really want to be is hugely important and not something a lot of characters can easily accomplish. think bastion hiding behind x reinhard shields, hanzo is a very obvious answer to such things and in doing so, can win the game with literally only his ult. d.va clears up koth and that other mode where you attack points.
>>338035415
Free betas attract shitters. that's about it
How do we fix Torb.?
I thikn making him more like TF2 with a 3rd level of turret that is way tougher and stronger but requires scrap could help.
Symmetra is going to need a 350% buff to her shields before she can really be considered viable.
>>338035515
>you must like the sound of some people's voices more than others,right?
Not in this game or any other recent Blizzard game.
The only decent one I can think of is Alarak from Legacy of the Void (which was shit) and that's all thanks to John de Lancie, not Blizzard in any shape or form.
>>338030794
Winston to tier 4, Junkrat and Mercy to tier 2
>>338035645
Her shiles were 50 before the open. Apparently she was way stronger then and get nerfed hard.
>>338035541
But then, you step into the vicious circle man
>play more to get higher levels and reach a higher skill ceiling
>to win,you need to play with retards
>playing with retards makes you lose
>you end up lowering the skill ceiling and finding even more and more retards
The truth of these games is that no matter how good you are, a team of idiots will still drag you down. I feel so horrible when i play really well, give it my best, together with some other guy on my team that tries all he can to support and make us win, only to have the rest of the guys fucking around, not giving two fucks about a win or a loss. Winning is fun, why don't people want to win? The ONLY way to enjoy these games is to play them exclusively with friends.
>>338035559
>who can't even articulate himself properly
A quote from the very same post
>that have thousand have hours in TF2
These tier lists are stupid. It's just everyone's personal biased opinions. A lot of people put Bastion and Torb in the bottom, but with the right player who knows the maps and especially when they are covering one another they can be quite the bullshit to deal with. Because Torb's turrets can do a 180 and shoot you out of the sky in a millisecond there isn't much chance of you killing them if there are 4 or 5 Torbs on one team. It's chessy as fuck, but it's effective. And what's wrong with D.Va? I got some good use out of her. Her ult is great at clearing up enemies packed together and as long as you aren't the only one being targeted her guns can be pretty good.
>>338035601
Well, i hope you are right anon. I actually like the game, and i want to like it,and play it for a good time.
>>338035647
yeah, blizzard not rising to the level of the voices from Diablo 2 or Brood War for example.
>>338035778
The tier lists are stupid because playing this game competitively is stupid.
>>338035709
The only thing I can say there is just leave. Don't deal with the agner. You should hopefully find a good game on your next search and stay in it for a few games to negate the leaving penalty.,
It sucks how that has to happen that way. I mean I have been destroyed by teams that are simply better than us, but when my team still tried I was okay.
But sometimes they are just so retarded I just can't and just leave.
If you don't do it to many times in a row you should be okay.
>>338035703
As it stands now there is no reason to pick her. She can't heal enough to be a support and she can't damage enough to be DPS. She is useless.
>>338035778
>a character isn't bad as long as I can win with it
low tier =/= unplayable
>>338035778
D.Va has moire uses then just her ult. It's mostly her E and flying that are useful and especially the second wind.
>>338028815
Wow you had a sub 20% win rate.
Junkrat is my nigga and no tier list is going to change that.
>>338030418
Yes, and ever Baston player deserves this.
whats the difference between shields and hp?
is there a difference between the yellow and blue as well?
>>338035964
Dva is a dogshit tank. She's a durable attacker.
>>338032840
The only "skill" in Overwatch is knowing your cooldowns and pressing Q.
>>338035486
>idiots you blindly put your faith in.
Nope.
I've played the Open Beta extensively and I simply agree with their assessments after my own experiences with the game.
But hey, keep saying Mei is a power pick and pick her. Not my problem if I face people like you and get more easy wins.
>>338036026
>whats the difference between shields and hp?
Shields recharge, hp doesn't.
Pretty sure that attacking someone's raw hp fills the ult bar faster too.
I think a lot of people ITT are taking these potential teris to seriously. After all the majority of us here aren't going to play the competitive that much.
We either know we aren't that good, don't care that much or have no friends to party up with.
In the end I thikn these tiers are pretty meaningless in random pub non-comp matches
>>338028580
okay I know this is probably bait but how is Lucio top tier?
It might just be me being a shit cunt but I never seem to be able to do anything good with him
>>338032717
how to spot a lol babby
>>338035875
fuck man, i wish i could do it like that. but im just too stubborn to admit defeat until it's over. and yeah,losing to people are better than you, especially when you put up a satisfying fight, is the opposite of bad. sure, you lose, but you feel satisfied in the "we gave it our best fucking shot" way. but when you lose to people that are obviously under your level, now that's a fucking bitter pill to swallow.
>>338036026
I too would like to know the mechanics of HP vs Shield vs Armor
>>338036032
She's a flanker, Anon. You use her to prevent Widowmakers from cheesing your team.
>>338036026
Shields are blue, armor is yellow. Shields recharge.
>>338036032
She's like roadhog. She's there to harass the enemy team.
>>338036135
His AOE heal require barely any thought to use.
His knockback can knock people off ledges.
He has great mobility and self heal.
His ult is great if used at the right time.
>>338033165
I don't see how a a character with walls, headshots that kill some characters instantly, beefy health, a heal that lets her hold objectives while invincible,and an ult that shuts down a sizable area for an extended period of time could be ranked so low.
>>338036159
the idea of "maining" is just so fucking retarded, i cant even begin to describe it. it just proves how rigid the thinking of "modern gamers" has become. everyone just fucks adaptability, throws it down the drain, in favor of playing ONLY with their autistic waifu or self insert manly edgy/cool character.
>>338036026
Armor reduces 5 damage or 50% dmg from all sources, whichever is lower.
Shields are just like HP and regen.
>>338036118
>I've played the Open Beta extensively and I simply agree with their assessments after my own experiences with the game.
You agree with streamers and journalists based off not even a week of playtime. Magnificent.
>But hey, keep saying Mei is a power pick and pick her.
Nice assumptions, but they're not surprising in the least considering you lack of intelligence.
>Not my problem if I face people like you
Don't worry, I have no intention of playing this low brow game after having played the closed beta.
>>338036026
>>338036189
shields regen
armor reduces incoming damage by some insignificant amount
hp fills enemy ult
>>338028580
Never trust any list with these fucking jaggies
>>338036259
Walls are only good in some sections of certain maps and most Meis just end up using them as an escape tool for themselves.
Her secondary fire is not hitscan so it's hard to land without freezing first.
It's hard to get into close range to freeze anyone against a coordinated team unless you find a straggler.
Her ult only really works when the enemy is clustered around an area otherwise they can just walk out of it or fly/blink.
>>338036134
People are retarded when organizing all these heroes into tiers when the heroes are designed to counter eachother, making any tiers irrlevant, especially when you can swap out your character whenever you feel like it.
This isn't like a MOBA where you pick a hero and have to commit to said pick. The little "depth" this game has is tied to adaptability and you being able to read the match and know what hero to swap to in any given situation.
>>338036372
>You agree with streamers and journalists based off not even a week of playtime.
Overwatch isn't DotA or LoL that takes weeks to even begin to learn.
>Nice assumptions,
So you admit Mei is weak? Thanks.
>Don't worry, I have no intention of playing this low brow game
Oh. Here's your final (You); you won't be getting anymore out of me.
>play Reinhardt for 5-6 or games in a row, to get a feel for him
>end up liking him,clocking about 3 hours of playing the guy
>in some matches,pull of some really great shit
>ult, smash a nearby mercy to bits, throw a fireball at a high flying pharah, killing her, then charge at a Lucio/Reinhardt combo as they are getting up from my ult, flying with them off the map as my team was attacking a point
> play of the game is our Bastion, whom, during my own play, sitting in turret mode,picked off a teleporting reaper on a ledge, and a genji, randomly running around to his left
just...
You can all go home boys
>>338036586
Stupid fucking Bastion is guaranteed play of the day, always
>>338034184
The role of a support tank can mean many things. For Zarya it's to still go out there with the main tank and absorb damage but to prioritize her shields for those moments when the enemy team are about to toss a lot of damage towards your team. Also at max power she does a ridiculous amount of damage and at that point I like to quick flank the enemy team with my ult if I have it. Granted you still need a Tank and a support on your team with Zarya but when played right she is credit to team.
>Not liking slav girls.
Shit taste.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ozYao1Mju7A
>>338028580
>Winston not in tier 1
>Mercy not in tier 1
What, is this list for morons in solo queue? That's not how tier lists work.
Comp setups are 2 tanks 2 supports, mccree, flex spot.
>>338036586
>that fucking feel
I know your pain anon
>>338036586
>le high skill ceiling beep boop robot man
>>338036582
>Overwatch isn't DotA or LoL that takes weeks to even begin to learn.
Apparantely that's what you need since you seem to think that heroes like Mei are shit and blindly believe in what people that are genuinely terrible at games think because they were allowed into the closed beta due to being journalists or twitch streamers.
>So you admit Mei is weak? Thanks.
Even more stupid assumptions, you continue to impress.
>you won't be getting anymore out of me.
I hope so. As amusing as your stupidity has been, it's also depressing that people as stupid as you are a part of humanity, so I'd rather forget about you.
>>338033165
this game has no pros
>>338033165
>By the pros
>>338036259
Because sometimes metrics don't matter, even though she is objectively overpowered with an overloaded kit, these pros aren't using her, either because there are certain strategies they are employing that make her irrelevant or she just doesn't fit into them, or some other high tier character(s) lessens her effectiveness to a severe degree.
>People in this thread actually think the people in the close beta that played competitively are 'pros' in any way
L O L
O
L
>>338028580
reinhardt isnt tier 1 retard
he is never used on koth maps literally never
meanwihle lucio is good on all maps hes true tier 1
>that tier 2
lel
>tracer and widowmaker mercy tier 3
>dva not last tier
hanzo and bastion is used more than roadhog/torbjorn too
>>338036954
>>338037117
most of the pros of Overwatch are TF2 pros that moved to OW because there's money in OW
>idiots ITT think comp scenes don't start in beta
There are three groups of people that get invited to closed betas:
-"Journalists"
-Streamers
-Comp players from other games
Any game with an extended closed beta is going to have a competitive scene before release. That scene will inevitably change with the massive influx of people, and the best beta players are usually dethroned a few weeks in, but that doesn't change the fact that there is a comp scene and they do have good insights on team build and hero viability.
That tier list with Zenyatta so high up is pre-open beta and IIRC there were a lot of balance changes, so it's not accurate.
Tier lists also need to keep in mind that the current team build meta is 2 tanks, 2 supports, 2 offense/defense
>>338037421
A lot of the 'weak' heroes you see now are thanks to the comp scene pros abusing them so Blizzard nerfed them. For instance:
Zenyatta used to have permanent orb duration and 200HP, making it so he could 1v1 anyone and be self-sustaining.
Winston used to have stronger shields making him completely unkillable when jumping in.
Symmetra used to give 50HP per shield, which made her team OP by hugely buffing fragile characters like Zenyatta and Tracer.
OVERWATCH HYPE TRAIN CHOO CHOO
>>338037778
So it basically confirms Blizzard is just getting to repeatedly nerf the highest tiered characters until they aren't high tiered? Then someone else will be high tiered and they'll get nerfed?
>>338037908
Welcome to Blizzard games, enjoy your stay.
>>338036638
so close
i fix
>1
fucking broken
>2
well-rounded and ideal
>3
situational and flawed
>4
redundant and/or overnerfed
>5
purposeless
>>338031858
reinhardt is husbando
>>338038038
It always amazse me how Symatra is bottom teir when I heard she was so good before.
Either way what do we do with Torb and Sym as it is pretty much unanimously agreed they are the worst?
Tier 1 is what people always use in competitive
Tier 2 is what can compete with tier 1
Tier 3 is gimmicky shit that can win once in a blue moon
Other tiers are opinions
>>338038038
>roadhog still in tier 4
>>338037908
They have buffed some characters like McCree as well.
It's calledbalancing.
>>338038038
i'd put reaper in tier 3. his only role is basically shredding tanks at higher level plays. winston would be tier 2 at that point too. and replace hanzo with bastion
>Mercy and Widowmaker
>Not tier 6
Post yfw you going to have fun playing Overwatch causally and aren't going to give a shit about teirs
WITNESS ME
>>338038548
Would have been way more cool if he shielded it at the end.
Makes me wonder if charging D.Va ults into corners and blocking from damaging anyone would be a good Reinhardt skill to learn
>Tier lists in a game with hard counters
Nobody will ever be top tier, becuase there are counters for every hero.
>>338037361
tf2 has no pros, it's always been much worse than cs:source and that was laughable
>>338037421
it's a couple years to early to talk about metas. tournament play right now is really weak, it's hobbyist. teams are uncoordinated, picks are complete guesswork and there's no overall strategy to anything aside from gimmicks which quickly fall on their face. it's solo q with teamspeak.
i guarantee that 6 random global elites can win any tournament as long as they have a single person with a marginal understanding of game theory.
>>338038421
hes redundant, not bad
if mccree/reaper didnt exist hed have a niche, but since they do theres no reason to pick him over them when mccree does the stun-cheese thing far better with added utility and reaper is a better self-sustaining tank buster
>>338038952
if reaper is close enough to hit you without you hooking him over or you can't hook him, you did something wrong
>>338038714
characters with one counter, difficult to play counters or counters that are only good for the role of countering characters similar are naturally better, also not every character is countered as hard by their counters. tier lists are still valid as until the gates open you don't know who they'll be playing, so strong safe picks are always wanted
>>338032840
Knowing when to switch is a skill.
You fucking normies and your shit lists disgust me
first of all
>lumping all map types together
>lumping offense and defense together
Lets talk about Control points first and why I even bothered making this fucking list
Tier 1 (in no order)
McCree is a burst assassin. Even the worst of fucking players can understand how not to lose with the literal most OP hero in the game.
Pharah can hit control points from any angle, displace into pits and over cliffs, and deal damage to clustered enemies.
Mei can reach objectives quickly (even take shortcuts on Lijang), separate enemies, freeze stragglers and Backline rushers like Genji and tracer, and her ultimate decimates point rushes.
Lucio is literally the best support for this game mode. Displace enemies, healing, front gate rushing, and the best ultimate for charging the point if your teammates aren't autists.
Tier 2
Junkrat is good for siegeing points. Get in a safe position and spam grenades like fucking agent orange. His ultimate if it takes a creative path can flat out wipe the enemy team.
Reinhardt is good for pushing a point or charging in. Self Explanatory.
Soldier is a fantastic sieger. He's one of the heroes who gets instant hitscans. Fun fact: The first bullet from soldier's gun is 100% accurate. Firing in bursts is how soldier is played from med-long range. Good sieger, self healing, can hold a point.
Winston can displace, jump, shield allies. He's just all around good.
Tier 3: These picks are fine but outshined by the rest of Tier 1 and 2.
Tier 4: Probably situational but unplayable.
Tier 5: Literally unplayable.If I don't get called a fucking faggot 100 times I'll make the rest of them.
>>338039540
Forgot image because I'm fucking autistic
>>338038952
Reaper and McCree are close range - Roadhog can pull an enemy into the open and fuck them up.
That said, it's not easy to pull experienced people and the hook has a big cooldown.
>>338039620
McCree is all ranges, which is why he's so good
>>338028580
this is wrong
tier 1 is
tracer because her ult charges too fast and has no punishment for dueling
winston because he counters tracer
and mc cree for defending tight spaces
>>338039620
Mccrees Left click is infinite range with no damage falloff and accurate.
>>338039617
also autistic because your tier list is shit
>>338036259
She's shut down hard by the Noonman, Reinhart (she's by far the easiest target for him to pin if she doesn't have her block) and Rocketgirl who are almost always picked in pro scene on top of being a hero that offensively only shines in 1v1 by locking someone out of their team, something that almost never happens in higher ranked games and she freeze opponents in a skill bracket where almost everyone can land headshots on moving targets at long range making that thing pretty useless.
The only way she can see some uses in the pro scene is if Blizzard chose to complete her jack of all trades arsenal by giving her spray a secondary effect that heals her teammates at like half of Mercy's rate or lower (and of course removing her own self heal to not make her too outrageously broken in lower ranked games).
>>338039783
I bet you think his right-click can also headshot.
>>338039794
>calls it shit
>doesn't refute with any points
Come on anon, hit me harder than that you autistic cunt. Where's your reasoning
>>338036567
>People are retarded when organizing all these heroes into tiers when the heroes are designed to counter eachother,
There hasn't been a single game ever where a character doesn't have better utility than anyone similiar.
Like you're simply a fucking idiot if you think D.Va does better than Tumblr, Winstoni, or Reinhardt at being a healthy open field hero and DPS at the same time.
>>338032840
You're such a retard holy shit anon
>>338028580
>Widow not t1.5
Is this a tier list for shitters?
>>338039540
Um you said offence and defense are seperate, but doesn't CP have that?
Which is your tier list for?
>all these tier lists with Symmetra at the bottom
with even a semi competent team its hard as shit to get past a Symmetra defense on most maps
Although she's fucking shit on attack so I get why she'd be lower
>PSN will be able to play 5 hours early
Thank god I got Monday off.
>>338039783
Good luck killing anyone with it at range.
>>338040087
Really? Why is this and where does it say?
CP doesn't have offense and defense, It's literally "siege the point" aka King of the Hill. I'm talking about Lijang tower, Ilios and Nepal.
>>338039894
Fair enough, I was wrong about damage falloff. But 35 + headshots with his accuracy is still nothing to scoff at.
>>338030260
He's annoying and I don't know how to play him properly, so no.
>>338040256
>CP = KOTH
Right sorry got mixed up.
I only would have thought that Tracer would be teir 3. She is just as average as the others I'd think. She is sort of okay if your team is on the point, not if they aren't.
Other then that I'd say its pretty spot on.
>>338040208
Pre load on Sunday and it should unlock at 6PM CT on Monday.
Why does Genji and Roadhog's melee do more damage? They are attack you with a blade and a giant meathook ffs. It shouldn't be doing the same damage as a fist.
Will I enjoy this if I only enjoy FPS with strongly defined roles and absolutely essential teamwork, and relatively small focus on ebin killstreaks and 360 noscopes?
>>338032543
>Widow maker has to charge for comparable power to Hanoi, making her fire rate half as fast
>widowmaker has to Zoom in, making her vulnerable and slow
>widowmaker can't climb up walls passively making Hanzo better for frequent position changes
>Hanzo is better at close in sniping because no zooming
>can just plink at a corner forever and get free kills, worse than the cuntsman in tf2 because there is no ammo limitation
Yeah Hanzo sure sucks :)
But really widow is better at high skill levels, but Hanzo is fucking cancer at all other times
>>338040921
>strongly defined roles and absolutely essential teamwork
Well yeah. Most Pro complaint are the over amounts of team focus rather then pure aiming skill.
You just gotta be sure you get a high level or you will be teamed up with shitty fags thinking the game is TDM
>>338040609
balance and homogeneity, the quick melee for all characters follow the same rules in every other respect so it makes sense for them to follow the same rules in regards to damage
they already get some of the easiest melee hits in the game (roadhog especially), they really don't need any extra damage or effects
>>338041024
>Most Pro complaint are the over amounts of team focus rather then pure aiming skill
Holy shit, that actually sounds perfect
I haven't been following this game at all, I just think Pharah looks cool and I'm trying to decide between her and Battleborn's Caldarius
>>338039617
Here we go again, it's this shitter's shit opinion edition
Tier 1:
Let's talk about genji and tracer first. These heroes can get by the defensive stonewall defenders sometimes put up. They can get on the point, forcing your opponents to fall back or weaken their line or reposition, and they can hit the backline snipers like widow and hanzo. Genji can also kill a bastion with ease. Having more than 1 of these is really not recommended.
Winston: He can deal with backliners and he can get into position quick. His shield provides slight relief for damage, just not for long.
Mercy: Her ultimate charges fast and she can keep your charge going. A team wipe followed by a 3-5 man ressurect can be gamechanging.
Reinhardt: Self explanatory.
Tier 2:
Don't expect a good ultimate anytime soon unless you're behind a reinhardt, but he can kill defensive tanks and frontliners, and sometimes ding enemies in the back.
Pharah: Splash consistent damage to enemies, can get around Reinhardt shields, breaks bastion and torbjorn's turrets.
Soldier: Heals the team, has great damage and mobility.
Widowmaker: A good widowmaker is arguably in tier 1. They kill turrets, stragglers and can counter-snipe.
Reaper: Same job as genji/tracer, but slower worse. Harder to get behind enemy lines but deals more damage.
Tier 3: Playable
Tier 4: Situational but probably unplayable
Tier 5: Literally unplayable (Why torbjorn so low? If you are able to set up your turret on the point, you've already won by that point. You'll never get it where you need it, negating a whole ability, and armor scraps will be hard to come by if you're stonewalled.)
>Mercy
>AoE rez
>Damage amp
>great mobility
>heals
>implying she's anything but tier 1
>>338040932
Widow is better because hitscan and easy OHKOs. One second charge time is fucking nothing if you can aim at all.
Widow's only drawback is being immobile due to the long hook CD.
how do I be the best reinhardt I can be
>>338041983
Pretty nice
Makes sense
>>338028580
like i care
http://www.strawpoll.me/10243616
>>338028580
>Bastion in Tier 5
>>338028580
Roadhog Tier 4 What the fuck are you even doing ? Learn to play.
>>338043329
Does anyone else really hate that self heals count towards healing done?
It defeats the purpose entirely.
>>338043452
Yeah It's pretty stupid now that I think about it. Self healing doesn't help your team/the game in any way.
>>338043329
Motherfucking this
>>338030794
Much better than the OP. Though I think that Mei's ability to singlehandedly and safely contest a point, even without her ult, makes her too useful to not have on a team. She's got incredible utility, moreso than probably every other defense hero
>>338028580
>engineer is the worst
how'd they manage to take the class that single handedly stopped offense in TF2 so crappy?
>>338042368
>one second charge time is fucking nothing
It's like twice as long as a hanzo shot takes
I already said she's better at high levels, but at any other level Hanzo is super fucking annoying
>>338028580
>Overwatch - Competitive
Man, I like this game and I bought it but I'm not going to pretend it's made for competitive gaming.
>>338041983
Better than op, but Zarya is top tier
>>338034537
As a german I feel his voice is very lackluster. But everything else is just right
>>338043669
>>338043452
>be roadhog
>have no healer and no other tank
>keep yourself alive and carry
>ult the entire enemy team off the capture point and take it
>victory
yes that selfheal totally didn't help my team
Why do I get the feeling you guys are playing mercy or zenyatta and o0ly get silver medals for healing done and are salty about it?
>Making Tier lists before the game is even out
>Making tier lists at all
>Listening to tier lists at all
Stop stroking each off about how good your character is and play your favourite
>all these people who have never seen a comp match complaining about their main not being higher
"But muh Mei". You characters are shit, guys. Unless competitive players find a weird way to use a character's ability that is broken, this will probably look the same.
OP arranged the characters by usefulness in koth, I am guessing. Where a Lucio is vital. Bastion is in shit tier because good players deal with him in seconds
So when do you think they're going to release an Omnic Crisis mode that plays like MvM in TF2?
>>338029814
Sauce?
I don't get most these lists.
>characters that are top tier are usually some of the easiest to counter
>ones in lower tiers can actually be a pain in the ass to fight up against
Are these tier lists made backwards on purpose?
Are competitive Blizzard game players just contrarians?
>>338035047
After seeing these tier lists I'm starting to take the opinions of "competitive" Overwatch players less and less seriously.
>>338028580
YES REINHARDT IS #1
REINHARDT IS BEST
ROCKET HAMMER
PURE ARYAN PERFECTION
>>338030243
>He's a shitty hero unless you use teamwork!
Wow, bet you never even played the open beta.
>>338028580
overwatch doesn't have tiers you fucking faggot
everyone is viable
>>338032717
Then this isn't the game for you, LoL faggot.
>>338047561
Hard to counter =/= most useful it competitive
>>338048404
>Blizzard
>Balance
>>338036171
>tfw have played thousands of hours of mobas for the past few years
>tfw have become hardened
>tfw am now immune towards getting angry at teammates or video games
gaze upon me
>>338028580
>zenyatta, reaper, genji tier 2
>tracer and widowmaker tier 3
Shit list
>>338031489
not at a comp level
No matter what I'm gonna main D.Va
>>338050001
you are probably not human anymore at that point
>>338033721
Lucio's backstory mentions the corporation Symmetra belongs to, and in a pretty evil light.
>>338046453
>Telling /v/ to play their favorites and not worry about loosing.
>/v/.
>>338028580
>Roadhog that low
>Junkrat that low
Rest is okay I guess. What's wrong with Roadhog? He's a good tank and he has a usefull pull. Junkrat is good when it come to defending and being hidden somewhere.
>>338052928
lots of health, is useless on his own, hook is single target and is good for 1 on 1 but if he were pulling to or from a group the target or him would be dead in any situation, his q is good for spacing but is mitigated by a good amount of characters
>>338028580
So if I see any tier 4 or 5 champions on my team, I should just leave the match right away.
>>338053108
>pull a Reinhardt
>he ult but still dies
>enemy don't have a tank
>enemy just sits and do nothing because they are too scared to get on point
Roadhog is shit yea I feel You senpai
>>338036259
her counters are some of the character top level people play so no one uses her, although who cares what top players think when half of them use aim bots
>>338053442
that's just a dummy rein, shouldn't have dropped his shield. I just don't think a smart team would let this happen or not focus roadhog in that specific situation.
He's also huge so literally everyone could hit him in that situation if an entire team has him in their sights.
>>338053617
>He's also huge so literally everyone could hit him in that situation if an entire team has him in their sights.
Like Reinhardt? Like Zarya? Like DVA? Like banana profersor?
Pull will work against every team just like in MOBAS. His ult is also good in terms of defending. Pop the ult and the niggas hit the wall.
>>338038548
le xDD I get that reference to that movie that I saw xDD
>>338053808
not as big as zarya, or d.va no. there are better tanks to chose from then huge dude with hook is also a big part of this. he's not necessarily bad, but he's not that good.
>>338052205
Good point anon, I forgot that /v/ doesn't enjoy playing games anyway
>>338030360
They have an... EDGE... over REAPER?
>>338028580
with the right pairing mercy is second tier at least, lucio is more of team healer and ult at the right time character.
>>338053998
My shitty opinion
Reinhardt>Roadhog>DVA>Zarya>Banana
Is the answer to nerf people like Lucio, or buff people like Mei?
>people not playing D.Va correctly
poor bastards. That said, her ult is borderline worthless against competent opponents.
>>338053894
watch your health
Dark Messiah character when?
Kicking everything would be amazing
>>338054450
it literally exists just to clear space for your team to move in.
>>338050001
If you can brag about it, it's probably not true.
>>338033165
This was before zenyatta was nerfed to the point of being nearly useless
>>338054509
I'm just waiting for Doomfist to become an actual character.
>>338028580
Tiers are for faggots.
>>338031603
Fuck 76's Ult. It makes him weaker.
You're better off aiming manually for headshots than allowing the game to force nothing but bodyshots.
>>338030090
This
I have a friend who never fails to tell me what tier the character I'm playing in a game is. We all fucking hate him but he sticks around and will never fail to tell you that the person you're playing is really low tier actually and that you should switch to someone else. Or if you do really good, he'll let you know that you're playing a top tier character and should probably switch if you want to actually get good. Fuck faggots like him who make/read/adhere by tier lists. Fuck tier lists. Just cause it made sense in MvC2 doesn't mean it applies to every fucking game out there.
>play roadhog
>left click is shotgun
>right click long range
then you play the engindwarf
>left click is long range
>right click is shotgun
????
>>338034604
This, Lucio and Mercy on a team are solid as hell.
>tfw using Lucio Ult to save Mercy and at that moment she gets her ult and revives 3 people.
Plus I love having a mercy save my ass when my E is on cooldown
>>338051126
>competitive play in a game that manages to be even more casual than tf2
haha oh wow
have fun with your "competitive" play
>tier list
this is like wfg all over again
>>338030243
I've heard these arguments in so many different games. "He's a pubstomp character! The pros don't use him!!" and then a few months later a pro starts using him and it turns out that the character is actually just OP.
>>338032840
low tier shitter who just blames every loss on "counters" and thinks theyre good for playing weak characters
>if I picked the meta characters I would be on the leaderboard!!
>>338056530
The difference being that Torbjörn's long range can actually damage things
>>338057195
will do!
>>338058480
"Good"
>mfw Zenyatta main
>>338058876
Nobody expects our severe damage output until it's too late
>>338028580
>Hanzo/Mei bottom tier
>Symettra not in multiple tiers depending on map and point
>D.Va above Roadhog
>TRACER/MERCY/GENJI NOT TOP TIER
>JUNKRAT ANYWHERE NEAR THE BOTTOM
>>338030417
We postin? Pretty solid list.
>>338031858
Really good choices.
>>338053226
Zenyatta is probably the most fun support in the game. I wish Blizzard would just buff him up. Same with D.va, because she needs more damage then she has at the current moment.
>>338058876
>>338059134
Zenyatta main representing
>>338028580
>Mei
>Tier 5
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH
>>338038880
>it's a couple years to early to talk about metas
It's too early to talk about the meta "endgame," but that doesn't mean there isn't a functional meta.
It's also very unlikely that the 2 tank 2 support composition is going to fall out of favor, with such a low TTK you can't afford to leave either job to one person.
Done.
>>338033165
>Pros
Name me 2
>>338030417
Absolutely incorrect
>make a multiplayer fps about character personalities
>conversation is about character personalities rather than gameplay
>retards don't realize they've been duped and that the game lacks depth
a game that doesn't punish bad play. sick.
Overwatch should be f2p, like teamfortress. Current cost is too high.
>>338028580
>Lucio in top tier
>Not Zenyatta
Lucio is outright worse at his job of being a healer than any other healer. It's slower than any other and only "good" cause Area of Effect.
His speed buff is really nice, however, and it's there to make up for the fact he's a healer for those who don't want to heal people, but want to help their team.
>Rein
Correct.
>McCree
He may get the Nerf bat before release, but currently correct.
>Pharah
Squishy as fuck and promotes spacing your team out, always a good thing, too high.
>Winston that high
He's a good disruptor, but he's easy to deal with too, sans Ult.
>Zarya that high
Not versus a "competitive" team who knows "stop hitting people if they have bubble."
>Zen
See Lucio debate, I'd slap him in T1, personally. They're all top tier Healers.
>Reaper
Correct.
>Genji
See: Zarya, but with Sword tricks.
>Widow
Should be T1 as the Defender, which you seem to have forgotten to put in the top rank following the 20/60/20 rule.
>Mercy
T2, possible T1.
>D.VA
Correct.
>Tracer
If she gets Nerfed, correct. Otherwise, T2.
>76
Correct.
>Torb
>Symm
Eh, I'd say higher, I genuinely think you have too many Tiers.
>Roadhog
Oh. This is a bait thread.
>Junkrat
He's T3.
>Hanzo
Needs to be higher no question.
>Bastion
Agreed, he has some uses like on the floating platform on Volskiya, but he belongs in the dumpster and is there in higher level play.
>Mei
200% bait thread, got me good.
>>338028580
>Junkrat
>Torbjorn
>Hanzo
>Met
>Roadhog
>>>that low
Im sure you dont actually play this game
>>338028580
Tier list in a non competitive game.
Ishyddtig
>>338063385
>>D.VA
>Correct.
She's T1-2.
>>338028580
>Out of my 4 mains 2 are in 1 and 2 are in 5
feels good
>>338063534
>D.VA T1
>One area denial and squishy after losing any tank ability
>T1
Retard.
Use this next time.
>>338064559
You are misguided if you think I am going to put that much effort into a shitpost
The easier they are to play, the better you'll do with them, the more likely you are to win:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3zq0RwXeKM
>>338063753
>squishy after losing any tank ability
and getting an insanely fast and accurate gun.
Retard.
I can already tell you for high level games high tier will be
mei(forcing direction[this will be the biggest thing at high level play later on], high damage with high accuracy right click, aoe freezing ult) Right now she is low tier because her right click, while accurate, is awkward to use and people already know to scatter when you hear her ult because it's used as a lets try and freeze 6 people instead of another direction force.
zarya(high damage grenade and close quarter, tank, support shield, gravity aoe[direction force])
Lucio at the start of the match will then switch to mercy at mid game.
Anyone with skills to make people go another way or wait will end up being high tier.
>>338064813
>fast and accurate
If you can't blow her out while she's backpedaling, you deserve to die.
She's still quite slow and only needs 2 good hits from a slow weapon.
>>338030497
Because a few weeks ago most you people didnt have access to the game and we're talking out of your ass. Now that you had 1 week you are now talking out of your ass about bastion.
>>338064821
Mei is never used in high level play, because all of the top tier heroes are counters against her. MCree is definitely the biggest damage dealer in top tier play.
>>338065529
She is going to be used as support, walls and ult to make choke points, stop choke points, or to keep other team away from the objective. Anything more is gravy.
Because the game is objective based and not killing based you only need to delay the enemy.
>>338045996
this photoshoop isn't funny
>>338065838
I know that, but they need some sort of newer kit for her to work in a more competitive sphere then just chock pointing. Since everyone plays Pharah to shut her down. She only slows down the team. And she has no way to hitscan where as all the high tier heroes have hitscanned based weapons. Pharah and Zarya are the exception, but Zarya has really good synergy where as Pharah does truckloads of damage.
Mei needs to freeze her enemies to get reliable kills. And her walls and ult are easily counterable. Her shield-regen should be changed into something more useful for the team.
>>338028580
instead of making baseless argument just review the metadata and work it out like this guy does
http://www.planetoverwatch.org/
>>338065838
>Because the game is objective based and not killing based you only need to delay the enemy.
Do you think we're gonna get emilination based gametypes in future? I really hope we do.
>>338067184
>Week 10, Zenyatta became the #1 worst/least played hero
>Just continuously drops every week
I assume this was during the Beta, but when?
>>338067058
>Mei needs to freeze her enemies to get reliable kills.
Until someone who actually played a real shooting game with amazing aim comes and fucks everything up.
>She only slows down the team.
Yes, this will be important at high level play. You really only need one person with good aim as damage. One mcree who can reliably hit heads is more than enough damage.
>>338028580
everyone should be in tier 5 BUT the robot monk
>>338028580
>It's another "Wintson is good guys!" episode
>>338067368
week 10 was 4/18/16 - 4/24/16 just before the closed beta ended
its not really that telling what 'competitive' players used during the closed beta
its a limited data set
all of this will probably change greatly when competitive starts properly
>>338067405
You missed my second statement on her character. Majority of the most used heroes at the higher competitive level are heroes that will fuck her shit up. Put wall up, Pharah comes and ganks her or Tracer comes in and bombs her away. Or her ult in which Lucio, Tracer, Genji, Mercy, Winston, Widowmaker, Reinhardt, and Pharah can just charge, dash, or rocket boost away. Lucio pretty much negates her whole ultimate by using his speed burst and getting everyone out of the AoE.
She is a good hero and I understand that, but she has some flaws that pushes her away from high tier play, because her only real use is her wall.
>>338067184
>Lucio consistent #1/2
>Tracer hops up then drops to bottom of B
>Symmetra consistently drops down post-7 into fucking D
>McCree dominates
>That huge leap up from Winston
This whole chart is actually interesting.
>>338067767
I see... That's intriguing. Do you have one of the Open Beta week?
>>338040367
>Ambush people with double jumps and the ability to run up walls
>harass with primary fire shurikens from afar
>Secondary fire does huge damage up close if you hit all 3 shuriken on one target, can let you egage multiple enemies if you're good
>Deflect lets you reflect any projectile at whatever you're aiming at
the rest is learn to play friendo
I've seen so many tier lists and the one thing that never changes is Lucio at the top. He really is awesome.
>>338068035
And you've missed my point.
>Or her ult in which Lucio, Tracer, Genji, Mercy, Winston, Widowmaker, Reinhardt, and Pharah can just charge, dash, or rocket boost away. Lucio pretty much negates her whole ultimate by using his speed burst and getting everyone out of the AoE.
Good now no one is coming from that way for the next 5-10 seconds. They'll all be coming from from the other way or be split. Clean up the split and blow up that way and get a team wipe. Just because her ult didn't freeze doesn't mean it didn't do what it was suppose to do.
99% of competitive anything is forcing your enemy/opponent to do predictable movements or actions. This is the case from competitive chess, all video games, sports, to and including war.
>>338068265
I think the slow crawling up the ranks form d.va is interesting. the fact that a hero can go form bottom to top shows the game is quite balanced imo.
>>338068443
nah nothing form the open beta.
>>338068772
Except he's not.
He's a great character for people who don't WANT to heal. He's a harasser with a heal/speed Area of Effect.
>>338031603
Helix Rockets are better than his dumb ult.
D. Va player here, she really should be I'm Tier 6.
>>338068805
Read
>>338067184
Don't listen to anyone in these threads. Use your own judgements on what is actually happening to the main meta of this game. Currently Mei is objectively not played by Pros.
>>338068993
Right my predictions were for the future.>>338064821
Of course the straight forward and easy to use will be high tier at the start of the game.
>>338067405
>implying McCree even needs to hit heads when you have FANFANFANFANFANFANFANFAN
>>338069258
Not him, just saying based off that Meta chart, Zen sees insanely little play and I find that shocking, since very few things can kill him that don't kill a 200 HP squishy.
His 50 HP difference is negligible outside of shit like Tracer, 76, and Bastion, Roadhog's Ult, etc. that deal low, fast damage.
And his damage output is insane if you can aim.I can't.
>>338028580
Sorry OP. I think the accurate list got lost in translation. Here you go.
>>338063385
>Lucio the worst healer
>Lucio, the AoE heals, constant self heal, wall riding, knockback-having, speed boosting support
Are you high, anon? Dude puts out healing numbers comparable to Mercy's while still being able to fight, is far harder to kill, and gives his team insane presence thanks to speedboost.
He's far better as a support than Zen or Mercy thanks to his survivability and utility.
>>338069258
I already gave you my fill on how to make Mei better then she is right now. She needs something that can make her shield-heal synergize with her team. The wall, ult are fine as they are. I feel they should adjust the ult a bit to make it so that the AoE may be bigger or freezes people near instantly. The wall is completely fine and is the biggest gain in her current kit.
I use Mei as my third defense character. And they just need to adjust her and then she could be competent in the high meta.
>>338069489
Widow kills him in 1 bodyshot, and there's a Widow in every game.
>>338069736
>1 bodyshot
Widow's body shot 100% does 200.
>>338069258
In high level play mei is only used on defence to block the point from being captured and forcing overtime. a job tracer and D.va are both better at doing.
>>338041983
This is a good list and my only changes would be as follows.
Move Winston down to Tier 2. He's good and can cause some chaos, but a single Roadhog, Reaper, or Tracer on the enemy team shuts him down faster than rebooting on an SSD.
Move Lucio up to Tier 1 right behind Mercy. He's absurdly good when hanging around a payload and staying busy with his movement. His relatively slow moving weeb wubs can make enemies think twice about peaking around corners and his knockback is fucking great at keeping enemies away during Overtime. His ult when used properly can win a team fight.
Move McCree down to the bottom of Tier 2, he's good, but depending on what map you're playing on he can get stuffed by bulkier characters or characters with better range.
Switch Zarya and D.va's positions. Zarya is better at escorting payloads and can reliably wipe teams with her ult whereas D.va can only wipe retarded teams and at best keeps them behind cover for a few seconds. D.va's maneuverability is actually better on Defense where she can surprise unorganized assaults from behind. On Defense she's predictable and easy to counter whereas Zarya has a bit more reliability in her kit.
>>338069812
Kek, no it doesn't, that would be insane. She'd kill 70% of the cast in one hit without needing headshots. Have you even played?
>>338069580
>Lucio anywhere outside of Tier 1 or Tier 2 on any list
Functionally retarded. Lucio is easily the best support. He's not the absolute best at everything, but he's so close and is a great addition to any comp. Lucio is actually the closest thing to an overpowered character I can find in Overwatch. Everyone else has at least one or two hard counters. Lucio just has a bunch of light counters that also counter other supports anyways.
>>338070176
Yes Anon, and I have watched Widows do 200 with a body shot on me as Tracer and company repeatedly.
>>338070147
McCree is completely unbeatable at close to mid range, even for Reaper, and has significant presence at longer ranges too. Dude is Tier 1 for sure. FtH combo will delete even tanks in two seconds tops.
>>338067184
>yfw McCree nerfs and Zeny buffs on release
>>338070518
Bit tough to watch Widow deal 200 damage when Tracer only has 150 HP, wouldn't you say?
>>338070558
The problem with McCree is that there are also 5 other people on the enemy team when your pocket sand combo is done. He's great, but he's overrated. I've never seen a McCree carry a game, he's annoying to play against, but he doesn't dictate the tide of a match like a good Widowmaker, Reinhardt, or Lucio will.
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