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Do you trust him, /v/?
>>338020487
pooooooooooooooooooooo
>>338020487
DESIGNATED
>>338020487
am i the only one that never had any problems with ghandi?
>>338020603
He's a nice and peaceful guy, until he gets his hands on nukes.
DELETE THIS
>>338020603
I bet you play on easy, kid
>Egypt has 4 salt
>"there is no way to make this deal work"
FUCK YOU RAMESES
>>338020487
>you have met Ghandi
>countdown to apocalypse begins
>>338020487
>Trusting anyone but Shaka and Genghis
>Trusting even those two, unless they are on the other side of the world
On that note, for some reason Nobunaga is usually a huge cunt, but whenever he is on the other side of the world he is the biggest bro I know
>find a civ that's consistently your ally from game to game
>they can't fight for shit
pic related
>bros for life with a civ for thousands of years
>hates you and declares war on you in the final turns of the game because you're winning
This kills the immersion
>>338021273
>it's always Caesar
>>338021273
>friends for thousands of years
>they accept your religion
>you remove kebab together
>ideology turns them hostile
>be bros with one of the civs
>Even go with them to war on another civ
>get attacked by another civ
>ask for my bro civ's help fighting them
>"This arrangement is of no interest to us"
Why is the game's AI so retarded
>domination victory
>take out the AI's capital
>rename the captured city to its leader's last name
Who /head on a pike/ here
>>338021169
Theodora is always a bitch in my games
Weak as fuck, but always trying to annoy the shit of me
Thankfully I can stomp her easily, at the small price of being considered worse than Hitler by everyone
>>338021687
>-20 happiness because your neighbor chose a shit tier ideology
>>338021443
>Caesar being a friend to you in the first place
That guy is vile snake
>>338021273
I'm surprised there isn't a mod that makes it so if you're allies with a civ for a long enough time they don't turn outright murderous when you get close to a win condition.
Like, I'm not asking for them to make crazy ass deals and sell you uranium or some shit, or purposely sacrifice themselves to buy you time. But just be like "Hey, China has been talking shit behind your back and doesn't know we're tight. What's the plan, broheim?" Just some sort of clique system where out of the current civs in a game, if their super ally is winning they don't mind at all and just keep chugging along.
>>338022198
>shithead AI declares war on me
>repel them and capture their staging city
>get a massive warmonger penalty
>>338021105
Shaka will literally never betray you if you get on his good side, even if you become super hitler.
>>338020487
he's a racist and a pedophile
>a bug causes Gandhi to be overly aggressive in the original game
>LOL XD THIS IS HILARIOUS WE SHOULD MAKE HIM A WAR MONGERER IN EVERY GAME LOLOLOL
fucking dumb
>Oda Nobunaga HATES warmongers
This makes literally no sense.
>>338022293
>AI declares and spends a couple hundred turns sending melee units into a ranged meat grinder
>won't accept peace unless it's heavily favoring them
Five dollars says Civ VI isn't going to be any better.
>>338022064
How do you rename cities?
>>338022293
>Warlike AI declares war on me
>everyone hates him already
>decide to make sure this wont happen again
>take his capital and leave him with his shitty cities, burn down all worthless cities
>now everybody hates me
>roll with it
>burn down everyone foolish enough to oppose me
Every game is the same
I just can't do a mild war, it's either fruitless skirmishes because I cant be bothered or TOTALEN KRIEG
>>338020487
[DECLARE WAR]
>>338022580
>AI declares and spends a couple hundred turns sending melee units into a ranged meat grinder
Won't happen in 6 because unit combinations.
>won't accept peace unless it's heavily favoring them
Even in 5 if you just slap their shit so hard that the hand mark is permenant, they will agree to basically anything and give you cities for free to get you off their back.
>>338022497
This actually true
>>338022626
>people are upset that I'm playing America and doing what my UA Manifest Destiny was all about
>>338022594
Open up city menu
Under the name of the city, you see "Rename"
Click that
>>338020487
No, I'm in the middle of a game right now, 200 turns in, and he's being a little bitch, giant standing army, we were friends and he declared war on me out of nowhere and refuses to agree to peace or any sort of trade agreement.
>>338022504
Except no, he's actually one of the most peaceful leaders. He just really likes using nukes.
>>338022742
Huh, maybe the UI overall I isntalled in the main files moved the option.
>never goes to war with you
>loves to trade
>doesn't mind your expansion
>apathetic to religion
>always lets you look at her huge tittays
>always greets you smiling
Best ruler.
>>338022746
Smash his fucking army and he'll be a lot more open to negotiation.
>>338021105
>surprised someone with the moniker of 'Demon King' is a huge cunt
>>338021749
If you offer them 200 gold they will agree to go to war with them.
But then the next term they will make peace with them, and you're out the 200 gold.
>>338022836
She denounces me every game
>>338020487
>Do you trust him, /v/?
Always. He never betrays me, everbecause I betray him first.
>>338022873
Denounce doesn't mean shit, I don't even know why it's in the game.
>>338022870
>AI asks me to help them fight a war
>i ask for 10 turns, they're happy
>they literally have no standing army at all and I have to fight the whole war myself
>>338022738
I roleplayed as Spain once
I decided I would claim whatever I wanted if I could hold from gameplay perspective
Funnily enough though, my neighbours happened to be Hiawatha, Pachacuti and Pocatello
I already claimed Petra in a desert hills city and also Cerro de Potosi so I felt brave and just settled Uluru right away, buying every luxury tile their to piss those disgusting Indians off
Needless to say they hated me and tried to 3v1 me
Pachacuti went down first
Hiawatha and Pocatello tried to bargain for peace, but I would have none of that
Shit was cash
>>338021105
Nobunaga's mad at you for killing him in Onimusha.
>>338020536
IN THE LOOOOOOOOO
>>338022925
>AI asks me to help them fight a war
>i ask for 10 turns, they're happy
>on turn 9 they commence peace treaty
>you're the only one at war now and enemy's massive army already at your border
>>338022917
>renounce unpopular leader
>get an easy diplomacy boost with the countries that he's pissed off
>>338022917
It makes all friends of the denouncer like you a little less, and enemies like you a little more.
Though yeah, ultimately it doesn't do much.
>>338020487
>Trusting Ghandi
I'd have better chances with Atila or Genghis.
>>338022836
She hated me in my last game. Catherine didn't take kindly to me ruining one of her friends because I told them to stop spying and they didn't want to.
>>338022851
It's me and my buddy against 10 CPUs on hard,
2 down, 4 were at war with us, 4 were friendly, out of nowhere they decided to all turn against us, so we're fighting a war on multiple fronts, but we're doing good.
Austria was an idiot and gave up their 2nd town in exchange for peace, the peace is over, now there is war, and now I have a great city right up against their capital blowing the shit out of their army as they try to mobilize.
>>338022925
Yeah, siding with CPUs for wars is a joke.
I only play the mode where you can ONLY win when you take over all the other cities, I'm tired of doing a 30+ hour game, and out of nowhere someone gets a science win.
I always play as the Danish, as they are the master race,
>always spend more time raising tech and buildings instead of conquering
>still haven't gotten a Domination victory
What ruler do I need to pick to finally get off my ass and smash some faces in?
>>338023125
If all you want is the achievement, just play as Alexander and do it on the Duel map against someone shitty at war.
>>338022949
Why didn't you buy the natural wonder tile, you fucking dirty casual?
>>338023125
British on Archipelago
Genghis/Shaka on Pangaea
These guys are easy and fun
>>338022281
that just unrealistic bro
>>338023125
Russia. They have a history of kicking ass.
>>338022504
Gandhi was a fucking nutjob in real life so it's okay.
>>338023168
I don't really care about the achievement, I just want to break the habit.
>>338023125
Danish is best for domination, do domination only mode.
>>338020487
Ghandi is a treacherous cunt, no fuckin' way.
>>338022504
I'm about 20 hours into a match with my buddy, and Gandhi is legit being a super bitch that won't accept peace.
>>338023176
Because that would be the first tile I got through border expansion and I had only enough gold to get the salt and dyes, which I could easily lose, opposed to Ulury which was guarenteed to be mine
Plus I already had Cerro de Potosi for faith gain (natural wonder pantheon)
>>338023125
Denmark
Berserkers are great imo
though admittedly I'm not as experienced with the game.
>Hurr every CIV is betraying me even though we were best bros all time what the fuck
Because CIV V is a shit game and the AI is programmed to play and win the game instead of roleplaying and managing an empire.
This is also the reason why the AI acts irrational in trades.
What's the best Civ game to play. Or perhaps an alternative, better series? I've literally never touched a single one.
>>338023376
Alpha Centauri > CIV 2 > CIV 4 > CIV V > CIV 3 > CIV BE > CIV 1
>>338021273
It's a design choice, they said that they wanted AIs that play to win.
I can kinda understand the choice, because things get a little too easy when the AI is willing to let you win just because you're buddies, but I really hope they change it in Civ VI, to make diplomacy feel like more than just postponing hostilities.
>>338023376
Civ V is easy to get into
EL is fun too, but a bit harder
Gal Civ II is still a very solid game
Never played Civ IV, but supposedly it's good
SMAC is hailed as the best 4X game to exist, but I never played it myself
>>338023213
Defensively, and the game doesn't really reflect it. At least not V where their ruler is set to Catherine, in IV you could pick Stalin and he was pretty warmongering.
>>338023350
>game with only one winner; you do not form permanent alliances and win as a team
>AI being programmed to take that winning spot is somehow a bad thing
>>338023376
Alpha Centauri is the best
>when civ tries to get my luxury every turn but claims that trading my luxury for his luxury is somehow unfair
>>338023376
>I've literally never touched a single one.
If you've never played 4X games then Civilization V with all its expansions is both good and beginner friendly. I want to stress getting the Complete Edition as without the expansions it's pretty bare-bones.
Another good game is Endless Legend, a sci-fi themed 4X with some really unique factions. It also has quests of sort (both faction based and random ones) which help flesh out the lore and provide powerful bonuses for your empire, plus other a bit RPGish elements like hiring, gearing up and leveling heroes who can be used as generals, spies or city governors. Unlike Civ V, EL is already good even without the expansions though I'd strongly suggest getting the biggest ones (Guardians, Shadows, Shifters) as they add new gameplay mechanics and factions.
There are other old and good games too, but I wouldn't exactly recommend them to someone who is a beginner to the genre.
>Always try to be a peaceful nation that doesn't get involved with foreign affairs.
>People keep dragging me into war by force as they invade, only to get shat on with my superior money buying an army overnight.
>Decimate my enemy, only to be forced into a new war because i'm apparently a war monger now.
>Destroy them too.
>This keeps happening, and people get pissed because I don't spare nations who are blatantly losing.
>Think they'd learn.
>They never do.
>>338023958
Cmon, man. Two of yours for one of mine is perfectly reasonable.
>>338023958
>AI doesn't want to lose their happiness bonus
>AI, who is your rival and not your teammate, doesn't give a fuck if you lose yours
Who would have thought?
If he has more than one of this luxury that you want but isn't willing to trade it off for a single luxury resource that he doesn't have, he probably hates you. AI is generally relatively fair when it comes to trades when they're neutral and above.
>>338023348
Beserkers ARE great, as are the Ski Infantry they get later. Plus if you play on a map with a lot of water, all their units get the amphibian bonus, to take away the penalty for moving to/from water, which really helps a good amount.
>>338023617
How accurate is this image?
>>338023376
CIV 4 was hailed by /v/ as being the best civ game for a LONG time, even long after Civ 5 came out.
It's only recently that /v/ has been saying civ 5 is better, and it's because it's a new wave of people that have never played 4.
The mods for 5 have pretty much caught up, but Civ 4 with best mods is still best.
>>338020603
It's not so much that Gandhi was evil, it's more that him EVER declaring war is jarring as fuck to such an extreme degree that it achieved meme status.
>>338024598
Civ 4 is still and always will be plagued in its entirety by stack of doom mechanic.
>He was a racist that encouraged the people of India to attack all black people.
>one of the most beloved and praised humans in history because he was so peaceful.
How?
>>338024663
People think he was a much kinder man than he actually was
>>338023616
The AI is also bad in general and unable to make decisions that favor them.
From the start they act like:
>''Fuck you i will win this give me 3000 gold and all your tech and you get nothing by the way''
>>338024663
It was just a bug of Civ1 that made him a psychopathic meme of the series.
>>338024303
I think he means their extra for his extra,
you have 2 wine and 0 spice? I have 2 spice and 0 wine, 1 wine for 1 spice, will give happiness bonus to both people, is great deal.
unless AI is friendly towards you they will demand more for the trade, even if they need it more than you.
>>338024717
political correctness
like how we all love nelson Mandela even though he was a terrorist and his wife set the opposition on fire.
>>338024735
He was a pretty stern fucker that didn't believe in wearing underwear because it fostered weakness, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a figure of peace.
>>338024865
sorry about the tripfag, I'm multithreading
>>338024754
They only try that shit if your army or economy is weak. When i make tons of dosh, everyone wants to be my friend. When i have a huge army, no one tries any bullshit.
>>338023958
This is why Civ is best played with real people.
I miss the old "Play by Email" modes for games,
I'm glad Civ still has hotseat.
playing CIV with 9 other humans is a great experience.
>>338024717
Ghandi taught the world that non-aggressive protest CAN work.
>>338022917
It makes you really angry at the person who just denounced you and gives you a good excuse to roll a tank column over them.
>>338024992
>mfw someone plays Shoshone and settles a city on a natural wonder right next to my capital
>>338024958
I've experienced the same thing, especially playing Germany because your army gets huge quickly.
Germany might not be great or very versatile, but having a big enough army will at least make diplomacy much easier.
Any time I play on anything higher than 3, the AI is in the next era and far eclipsing my civ before I'm 3 technologies in. How am I supposed to compete on higher difficulties?
Hell, I just had a Civ go across the entire continent, past 2 other civs to rape me with his far more advanced and larger army.
>>338025083
He also taught us to hate black people and attack them.
>>338025125
you know what you have to do,
Take the city by force while it's young, that is YOUR natural wonder.
>>338022917
Doesn't denouncing someone for pulling some shit make it more palatable to the other civs when you inevitably go to war? Or is that just the diplomatic bonus from denouncing common enemies cancelling out the warmonger penalty?
>>338024475
Very realistic. It's the best Civ-style game around.
>create your own units
>the leaders/factions all have unique personalities and philosophies
>tons of deep, interesting quotes in the game
>the Planet is a living being that reacts to how the players treat it
>several viable winning strategies
>it came out in 1999 and has better AI/diplomacy than Civ 5
You can get SMAC cheap on GoG if you don't want to hunt down a torrent. Play vanilla a few times before trying the expansion.
>>338025253
If you gonna war someone, denounce them first
It lowers the diplomatic penalties
>>338024958
The problem is that every single AI acts like that.
Gandhi keeps pushing your shit in if you have no real army just like fucking Shaka or Genghis Khan.
>Spain builds a city far away from their own realm next to my capital
>tell them to fuck off
>Okay.jpg
>a bit later they build another city at my border
>''Hey fuck you human player - Get your army away from my borders or else!''
>Even though i only have a normal garnison in my capital
>they denounce me
>everyone else denounces me even though i am literally at the other side of the world
>get into war
>kick Spains ass
>''You are an evil warmonger!''
There is no reason to defend the horrible AI of Civilization V. Even the devs admitted that they did an awful job.
My bros are always Harold, Oda and Washington, don't know why, they just like me.
>>338025437
Getting the fucking warmonger penalty for crushing a civ that declared war on me really pisses me off. Don't start shit you can't finish.
>Your waifu civ and you are friends the entire game
>suddenly starts denouncing you because you took one city state when everyone was at war
>everybody else thinks you're a warmongere
>That's okay i am way ahead of everyone else have nukes next tu-
>no uranium tiles anywhere
>>338025537
>conquering city states
That is not cool. You deserve everything.
>>338025537
City States were a mistake in general
Instead of enhancing the game it completely broke the flow. Entire games evolve around them.
>kill some barbarians to make the place safe for my builders
>Thank you for killing them! We love you now! t. Jerusalem
>Alexander gets pissed because they love me more than him now even though i never wanted to get any love from them
>>338025675
>encounter Greece or Siam
>remember you're playing Austria or Venice
>>338025675
>Playing witha alexander
I turn that faggot off every game
>>338022836
Don't forget that if you conquer her country she's totally up for letting you conquer her vag.
>>338025209
Truly a wise man.
>not playing with random personalities
baka lads
>>338026101
Why does that faggot always seem to be hemorrhaging money? I don't think I've caught him actually making money at any point
>there are retards here who play Civ 5 without the Community Balance Patch
What the fuck is the point
>>338026371
Large standing armies at any given point.
>>338026256
Like it matters with the awful AI barely doing anything different.
>be weak
>get hit
>be strong
>don't get hit till very close till victory then suddenly everyone attacks you in order to stop you from winning
>>338026101
I hate how different the rules work for AIs. If I tried to play with that kind of deficit, my whole empire would be fucked up in a few turns.
>>338026256
>play with random personalities
>everyone's an asshole
I feel like it was just a bad draw, but Polynesia got what they deserved.
Do the holes in civs territorys trigger anybody else
Im always left with all these holes in the map instead of nice pretty color coded lines matching up
>>338026620
Does it enhance AI? I haven't played Civ V for a long time and I thought maybe I could play it now.
>>338022293
>Being Israel
>yfw you spawn in a continent with absolutely no iron
>>338030552
"Heavens look at the time, we might have to start colonization a few centuries ahead of schedule"
>>338030552
Unless you're the British, iron isn't that much of value
Reaching Industrial Age to find no coal within or near your borders on the hand can fuck your game up real good
>>338026620
It changes so much that I fear to install it because of not knowing how to do shit anymore in the game
>>338027048
Polynesia is always a fucking cunt
Tries to be friendly to everyone, settles everywhere, really everywhere and denounces you the minute you step out of line
I always rain Holy fire on that faggot
>>338020672
The quickest way to piece is destruction
No one posted Askia yet?
This guy is a serious WE WUZ in every game I play.
>I get copper smelting
>already making decent soldier
>he declares war, shows up with 3 primitive warriors
>mop the floor
>asks for peace a few turns later, I didn't even see one of his cities
>fast forward several turns
>motherfucker appears with knights on my borders
>blast them with rifles and artillery
>decide to take one of his cities to teach him a lesson
>I do and he asks for peace
>mulls over his defeat for a few years
>another civ declares war on me, big one too
>time for serious war, get my soldiers ready.
>askia goes full HUEHUE and declares war aswell when my soldiers are away
>get pissed
>pay 3000 gold or so to make a small force
>anhilitate the National Nigger Militia
>pay more gold for cannons
>take all his cities besides the capital
>all while fighting the other big war against a northern civ
>eventually declares peace
>passive agressive rest of the game
>no soldiers, no economy
>constantly denouncing me, others civs don't care, we're mostly all bros
>last match of the game, Obunaga wants more land, and so do I
>It is war
>Askia makes that shit eating grin "WAAAGGHH"
>get pissed at his attempt (one infantry, one tank)
>wipe him the fuck out with a nuke
>crush his city with a single infantry and take it
>everyone hates me now, even former bros
>decide this world is retarded as fuck, 30 nukes fly in the same turn
>scientific victory at turn 457
>>338033917
>thirty nukes fly in the same turn
I like you
Nothing like covering half of your enemies empire in nuclear destruction
![civbeyondearth_review_b_1080.0[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/y7Qwmnr.jpg "civbeyondearth review b 1080.0[1]")
This fucking game
>base game is ok
>strong suits is its unique units and a solid if not mundane gameplay
>problem is lack of complexity and diverse strategy
Then
>DLC comes out
>adds in a water city allowing for more large scales territorial wars
>adds in more units and more upgrade paths for older units
>adds in a bonus system and ally bonus system for further depth in strategy
>>>Completely butchers the diplomacy system making the game almost unplayable
Like literally what the fuck were they thinking.
>>338034950
Filthy harmonyfag.
>>338023068
Genghis is super trustworthy. The hard part is getting him to like you, but once he does he'll basically be your muscle. Doubly goes with Shaka.
>>338036526
Google brah
I always go superiority with a tint of purity for beefy front liners backed by SABR
SABR to stronk to ignore, and drone cages+golems create a really fucking strong defense.
>>338034950
Do they do anything with satellites in DLC? It felt really underwhelming for a whole separate layer of strategy in the base game.
>>338037332
There's a wonder that lets you overlap satellites by 1 tile that are launched from its containing city.
Sounds small but can help if used right.
Of coarse teleporting is really useful late game when your economy is full roar if going conquest.
Other than that it's all situational. There's a satellite which stops spies from doing anything, and offensive satellites can fuck shit up if there don't have something to knock them down.
>>338037108
>SABR
May nigga
Best unit it the game
>>338020487
Fuck no, fuck Ghandi. That cunt put an embargo on me and I fucking hate him
October feels so long away
>>338030552
>>338032928
Coal is truly my nemesis, I can't even remember the last time when I actually had it in my natural territory. It gets kind of annoying when you always have to fight for it.
>>338027516
>Does it enhance AI?
I don't know, you tell me.
>>338025275
Mechanically, it'll probably feel quite bare-bones to a modern 4X gamer. But the flavor and story more than make up for it.
>No matter what civ I get, I go for maximum jew
If it doesn't give me gold, I don't want anything to do with it.
>>338020603
He's always been chill for me and I play on Prince
>>338026101
classic greece
>raze a couple cities in classic era
>nations declaring war on you constantly
>>338042135
>find civ early game
>wipe them out before finding any other players
>be peaceful fucking science hippies the rest of the game and everyone is friendly to you
NO ONE MUST EVER KNOW
What the best PEACE time song and why is it Portugal's theme?
Does the AI in "Civilization" ever make sense?
>>338020487
That depends: Does he have any uranium? Is he near any uranium? If yes to either, don't trust him, and conquer him quickly before he nukes you. If no to both, trust him to keep his word, then stab him in the back and conquer him anyway.
>Game starts with me on an island
>End up winning without meeting any of the other people
It was the most relaxing game I've every played
>>338020603
I've had more problems with Montezuma, that traitorous fuck.
WE HAD A DEAL, MONTY! WE HAD A DEAAAAAAAAL!
>>338043340
>start on really big peninsula with a single tile width to mainland pangaea
>stick in 4 cities and run to science win without dealing with the world's shit
>everyone declaring war towards the end, can't deal with my massive navy and forts across the land bridge
W A L L
A
L
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>>338041846
The full community patch is definitely worth the effort to figure out, it's all really well done. Especially a lot of the city and happiness stuff, making wide viable was a great change.
>>338020603
It's typical, but I've never had a problem with him until he got nukes
Literally, the very next move, he denounces me, moves his forces closer, and declares war on me and takes like 2 cities
>>338046361
I don't think he's biased to be aggressive from the personality values I've seen. Just that he's very likely to build nukes if he can and, if he has them, to use them when at war.
I can't make the transition from Emperor to Immortal, or from King to Emperor with CBP. How do I git gud? I have a lot of hours and know every concept of the game.
>>338046614
I've never been able to beat the game above king. I've watched videos of higher level games but it doesn't feel like that same game anymore.
i hate that each time i defend myself and win a war the world litteraly see me as Hitler and the rest of the game turn into a domination victory scenario... fucking hell
>>338046614
Science and Growth are King and Queen. Focus on them.
Also steal a worker from city states in the starting game
>>338020603
Blacks and sjw's hate him because he was a Hindu Nationalist and didn't care for smelly african's
Trusting the AI was a mistake
>>338023616
I'm really hoping permanent alliances/potential for team-win is something they actually add in Civ 6.
>>338025187
You have to build the science buildings almost as soon as you gain access to them, especially in your capital and ESPECIALLY the National College that you get for discovering Philosophy
>me and a friend try playing online with randoms
>us 2, and 6 randoms
>luckily we share an island with one other guy
>the 3 of us stay peaceful, getting mad trade routes and shit
>english scout starts wandering around our island
>think nothing of it
>50 turns later the english giga army appears on our borders, an entire naval fleet with some land troops not far behind
>he's in the fucking industrial era
>my best unit is a longswordsman
>the three of us get catastrophically raped
i have no idea how he even managed that shit, i didn't know i was that bad at the game
>>338046852
It's better in the mod, but can't you just liberate the cities later to remove the penalty?
>waging war against Elizabeth
>hear this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5oO6wBrp8s
>only makes me more pumped
Civ VI better not falter in the audio department
>>338047503
Baba Yetu was Baba Yetu, but the opening to CiV is actually criminally underrated.
>>338024663
No, in the earlier Civs using a specific perk that lowered the hostility of all leaders would roll back his hostility from 1 to 99 or some shit, making him a complete cock who would declare war at the drop of a hat.
is there a way, say 100 turns after you have a conquered a city, to liberate it?
>Ours is one continual struggle against a degradation sought to be inflicted upon us by the Europeans, who desire to degrade us to the level of the raw Kaffir whose occupation is hunting, and whose sole ambition is to collect a certain number of cattle to buy a wife with and, then, pass his life in indolence and nakedness.
What did he mean by this?
for me next game
also, anyone complaining about AI, penalties etc needs to get the community patch - it is excellent, and worth it alone for the way you can deal with vassals
>>338047503
Probably the best war theme in the game.
Nothing quite sticks out to me except Brazil, which is up there for creativity.
Most of the war themes are just so quiet and boring. No real power or force to them- which is sad, because I like the idea that they had about changing some of the 'happier' songs (ode to joy, America the Beautiful) into war songs, but they only did it right with vow to thee
>>338046852
Less warmonger hatred mod
>>338047503
That's high on my favorites list but the song that makes me the most pumped for world conquest is this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhWaufQD9Uo
What's /v/'s favorite peace theme? I'm fond of Darius' and Alexander's.
>>338048059
>managing to vassal anyone
Do I need a warscore of 100 or something?
>>338047704
His level of aggressiveness was set at 1. When you got to the Modern Era, you could adopt pacifism as a policy, which would roll your aggressiveness back by two. Aggression was an unsigned variable, so when Ghandi inevitably adopted pacifism his aggression would roll back around to 255. On a scale that was designed to only go to 10.
>>338047704
Actually it was playing game on easiest difficulty that lowered aggression of all AI opponents and looped Gandhi's to maximum value, that made it especially surprising.
>>338048047
That dedicated shitting streets are better than whitey's for government.
>>338048162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX2CcrsxLcQ
This is the best war theme. This isn't up for discussion.
>>338048179
community patch makes it a lot easier. I like to play domination style games, and I've had vassals with my war score at around 60 and had offers to be my vassal. I guess it depends on the leader. It is used as a preservation technique by the AI, so if they think they are going to get smashed they do that. Loads of useful bonuses and the option to set own levels of tax is pretty boss. Also, get a load of new units as tribute when you change eras too, which really can change how a war is going. I can't recommend the patch enough - I'm on 1745 hours now on Civ V and it keeps it fresh.
>>338048162
The one you should never hear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icThznCrzC8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14YHs0375tY
This is by far the best war theme in the game. Perfectly captures the feeling of getting rushed by Impis in the mid-game just before you've taken a clear tech lead, and desperately holding out against the onslaught while you beeline rifling
>>338048469
Great song but hard to take seriously like the rest of the huehue civ. It feels weird defending my meme trees from enemy invaders during a carnival while listening to this. His peace theme is very pretty though.
I been waiting to try out this game for a while, but I have my concerns. So, /v/, tell me,does this game let me make robots and develop dank mechanic and robotic technologies?
>>338048829
Yes, but if you've made it that deep into the game and you haven't won yet then you're shit
>>338048162
>What's /v/'s favorite peace theme?
The best peace theme in terms of peacefulness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_6JdWK3Hnw
The best peace theme in terms of representative glory:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeSpX2RYx6U
>>338048829
It has fusion powered giant death robots.
But unfortunately it doesn't give much variety in units in the most advanced eras.
no one ever wants to be my friend in civ
>>338048059
bruh I'll roll
>>338048939
>>338049057
Sounds good enough for me. Thanks.
>>338049245
Put Polynesia orVenicein your game
>>338022293
Shell the hell out of the city and kill all their units around it. Demand the city as part of making peace, you'll get it without any warmonger penalty.
>>338042032
You talk a lot of smack for someone about to be fucking destroyed.
War.
Okay /v/, let me get your opinion on this. So i haven't played a Civ game since III, but I sunk massive hours into it. I'm looking to get back into the series, so should I buy IV, V or wait for the new installment?
>>338048059
rollando bloom
>>338020487
The One Thousand Rupees Man! I trust him, he got the dough
>>338048059
I'll start this one after the two I'm working on right now.
Gimme something interesting pls
>>338050286
Elephant world conquest it is
>>338049903
You'll have more fun with V, I think. IV and III are very similar, whereas all the big drawbacks of V are things that will make it fresher and more interesting to someone familiar with the earlier games. Might want to wait for it to go on sale again if it's not still ~$10 though.
>>338020603
In the first game, he becomes the evilest ruler ever once he becomes a democracy.
In games after this, he is still the most likely to nuke other nations, but the least likely to become aggressive in the first place.
Nuking gandhi is (mostly) a meme nowadays.
>>338020603
he's a culture-win type of Civ who is a bit sneaky in his goals. he tends to make himself a pest in passive-aggressive ways, particularly if he gets enough votes in World Congress to propose anything.
in addition to being a World Congress pest, he can also become a religious pest as well.
the nuke thing is actually kind of toned down in Civ 5 ... he doesn't really go aggro, but heaven help anyone who messes with him if you've turned off culture and science wins for options on Deity. Ghandi will backstab your ass eventually ... but they all tend to do that if you're playing a long game of total military domination.
>>338022836
>never goes to war with you
do you mean won't fight alongside you, or won't DoW you? because she totally DoWs people and you ... unfortunately she's not super-sneaky about it and you can get wind of her treachery ahead of time most every time.
>>338020603
The whole thing originated from a bug where he was programmed to be so peaceful there was an overflow and he came out the other side. It's not so much that he's a treacherous fuck as it is that he's programmed to overreact to the smallest things.
>>338030552
>yfw you spawn in a continent with Alexander
I just restart the whole thing, fuck dealing with his broken bullshit that keeps allowing him to buy out city states and land with -243 gold every turn.
>>338048469
(USER WAS DECLARED WAR UPON FOR THIS POST)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHbXHIrpq6s
>>338048162
and if you don't care for mods (I love them but some don't) ...
time your wars either on defense or offense to where you're liberating a city that was someone else's (either city-state or another AI's city) in-between a couple takeovers of the aggressing Civ you're looking to obliterate.
in other words, take over a warring Civ's city or two, then liberate one they took over from someone else.
the liberation rolls back the warmonger points racked up from taking another's cities.
and whatever you do, especially in BNW, don't wipe out a Civ. let some other AI take over a final city of someone else ... that's a much greater penalty in warmonger points.
just peace-out when they have one city left and you should be fairly copacetic with the world if you timed it right.
bonus round of advice - what if it's a Civ that hasn't taken over any lands?
let another AI take them over, particularly one you're friends with. so do the sieging and shelling of city defense, and let them get one of their melee units in for the killing blow.
the other Civ will get the heat for it, and you'll mostly be okay in the world opinion.
and if you really wanted that city ... just pay for it from your Civ buddy ... they're expensive to purchase from another Civ, but it can be done rather easily past the Medieval era when you unlock all your gold-generating stuff.
>>338024475
100%.
>>338051662
Alexander is a highly-competitive pest of maximum ass-pain. whatever you do, he wants to do. It goes beyond his CS trait ... he's a general bag of dicks, and his AI is pretty good for trolling.
I tend to stick around when he's nearby though because if you happen to not be the weakest link on a continent, he won't immediately attack you in the early game.
By the time he gets to the mid-game, everyone pretty much hates him, so it isn't difficult to convince other neighbor Civs to want to coalition-stomp him.
If City State AI was actually worth a shit militarily, he'd be a major scourge, but it isn't (they generally get in the way with their military units and have even less concept of attacking other Civs ... they primarily use their units for defense of their CS which is logical but at the same time worthless for a collective CS-based allied attack).
>>338023446
>Civ 2
Listen here, you fucking fucker of fucks.
I LOVE CIV II and I can't make it FUCKING WORK. And now you reminded me.
(I agree with your ranks except CIV V with all expansions is probably better than Civ IV... it's hard to say)
I need all the DLC that adds civs to the game to use the CBP? I'll just wait for the summer sale.
>>338024598
Yea, Civ IV was /v/'s top pick but I think once the expansions came out, V beat it.
Also:
>>338024669
It's a hard choice but I'd think V is better and I HAVE played IV for a long time before I got V.
>>338050531
alright, thanks. does the game go on sale often?
>>338025275
You forgot unraveling the story BEHIND the game via research and building buildings, etc.
>>338042032
Savage.
>>338053157
1upt makes for better war-play ultimately. the terrain advantages and disadvantages matter more, you can flank units, and it's not a simple matter of stacking a megazord unit of doom.
people who argue that carpets of doom = stacks of doom miss the finer intricacies of 1upt generally. and while the AI only tends to do carpets for sophistication, a skilled live Civ player can easily defeat any said carpet unless they're sieged on all fronts by multiple AIs.
>>338049294
don't forget XCom units, the cheat mode of V, which allow 40-tile paradrops that the AI can't even into using.
that's my biggest disappoint with XCom tech ... if the AI knew how to handle it, that would be a great equalizer, but I have yet to see an AI in a post-game or conquest-only option ever drop 4-5 XComs on a target city.
And until XCom units were added, Giant Death Robots were the ultimate cheat mode unit in the late game.
At least if the AI has GDRs they know how to use them since it's not much different in programming from that of a horse unit. The AI understands flanking and horse units, so they use them just the same.
RELIGION OF PEACE
>>338048106
The Mongolian war theme is real nice as well
Really dark and depressing, but pumps you up for war at the same time
>>338053714
Stacks of doom were fine with me honestly, except some of the fights were a bit stupid and made no sense (vastly obselete units beating stronger units). I think I prefer carpets though.
>>338052232
Man, Genghis is almost totally broken in BNW.
Provided he's not your direct neighbor, every game among AI plays out pretty much the same.
1) Genghis is geared toward attacking City States and taking them over.
2) AI Civs haaaate CS hostile takeovers (the penalty iirc is greater than taking over an AI Civ's city).
3) By Medieval, Genghis is almost universally shunned by the world, and at that point the other AIs are all asking you and scheming to coalition-fuck Genghis into bolivian
4) Only saving grace for Genghis is that his Keshiks are pretty buff (not as good as Arabia's Camel Archers but close), so he can defend himself fairly well
5) So it becomes a constant cycle of gang-up on Genghis until the AIs finally manage to stomp him.
Ultimately this broke-dick cycle sucks because if you happen to become friendly with Genghis, the rest of the world will look down upon any friendship, so it's not even worth a DoF without any help to Genghis overall.
>>338052232
Mah Khan
>>338054936
Yeah they both have their merits but carpets and the actual variation of units ultimately beat stacks for fun.
>>338055151
>1932 AD
Holy shit.
>>338020487
I hate CIV VI graphics.
So cartoonish.
RIPFIRAXIS
>>338022253
And that face when you declare war.
That snob face.
>>338022538
Samurai's hate themselves
Do you know why?
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>>338022836
>Knows catherine would betray
>Still tries to be friends
Me, Why do I always stuck on the friend zone?
>Declares war
WHY DO YOU HATE ME? I LOVE YOU!
>>338036774
>Ghengis
What are you talking mate.
>>338020487
I never see him in my games. I always have the max number of AI but I cant honestly ever remember playing against him.
>>338055627
beta confirmed
this is classic female frenemy behavior, which is interesting because she considers you an enemy and rival in a female sense.
>so beta that your masculinity isn't even recognized by Russia
I feel for you famalam because I'm not a psycho, but you gotta learn to handle that bullshit like a boss.
pic related
>>338048469
No.
This is best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-pfAMWVV-o
>>338055926
>>338055926
forgot the image lol
>>338020603
He always gets evaporated by the other civ's by the time I meet him and his one remaining city.
Bismarck was always more of a problem, the traitorous cunt.
How the fuck am I supposed to play this game? The AI can seemingly put towns everywhere, yet my happiness turns to shit if I try.
>>338055926
>>338056027
I just friended her because I'm about +1000 above points to her. I'm gonna post pic later.
It's like mutual cooperation.
>>338056242
oh yeah no doubt you can actually be friends with Catherine, and any AI Civ for that matter. I don't doubt that in the slightest.
But Catherine will always be plotting behind your back ... she's just terrible at keeping it a secret. You can see it coming usually well before anything actually happens. Plus other AI spies will readily notify you ... and she has a habit of non-do-it-yourself plotting that involves others and therefore spy AI gets wind of it easily.
I've rolled with Catherine and her glorious 2x strat bonus multiple times. She city-spams so inevitably she'll have tons of whatever strat you need to trade with her for cooperation.
>>338056679
>But Catherine will always be plotting behind your back
All the AI will stab you in the back, I think I've only had one or two games where it's never happened.
>>338056679
>>338056242
This is not Catherine, but Theodora (on this game). But I still employ tactics.
>Catherine backstabs
That's why I'm building nukes, building military units near her capital, etc. (Same goes to Theodora)
>>338056216
1) are you playing on Deity or above-Prince
>probably yes
2) are you not aware of the bonuses AI gets while playing on Chieftain difficulty against you
>definitely yes
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ5/difficulties
on higher difficulty levels you're playing for 'difficulty' with hands tied behind your back while the AI gets more arms more or less.
so if you wanna win on those levels, you're ultimately going to have to play tall and not wide (max 4-5 cities you build yourself).
it's impossible to keep up with city-spam with the AIs on higher difficulty because they start out with more units than you from the get, and they can build more units faster than you.
>>338056216
~4 towns is usually best case scenario anyway. Look out for great town spots with
>Resources, preferably ones you don´t have yet
>fish tiles often make for very good tiles
>next to rivers, mountains or the coast (You should always have coastal cities)
>defended by mountains, hills and/or other rough terrain so you can´t get attacked from all sides
Also the more towns you have the more research costs.
Ghandi has been pretty aggressive in some of my games, but not all. The biggest blow from a traitor I've ever had was from Washington and China, actually. China and I were bros all game, America was a third wheel but almost the same bro tier as China had been. Suddenly both of them tried to fuck me over but I was the only one with nukes.
>>338022836
Besides her, which other girls should I add in a game?
And should I play as Egypt or America?
>>338056813
Correct, if you are doing a long-play game where you have plenty of time to go for domination, eventually it'll come down to you and your buddy AI left ... and they'll immediately turn against you.
I did this a few times ... setting it up so where it's just one ruler to dominate the world type longplay game ... one time I had Rome as a bro, and they were more than happy DoW'ing everyone I wanted to surgically-eliminate whenever I got to that point. They rolled with me over them, every time.
And when the final rival was destroyed in full ... immediate hostility, the very next turn.
>>338057337
Egypt if you like wonders
America if you like having gold too much and buying land.
>>338041846
>finally did all 4 victory types using minimal mods (NQ and the occasional mod-in Civ)
>tried CBP a few weeks ago, had fun but Arabia beat me to Culture, overall was entertaining but overwhelming at first
>ready to be done with Civ for a while and play vanilla WoW
>see this and remember how chill the AI was in my aforementioned CBP game
>want to play Civ again
I try to get out, but they keep pulling me back in. FUCK.
>>338057337
Byzantine chick is pretty hot too. Other than that I can only think of two female leaders: Elizabeth and Boudica and both of them are fuck-ugly.
>>338030552
>Playing glorious nippon empire on archipelago map
>Conquering civs and city states left and right
>Require resources for expansion
>No iron, oil, or uranium on my hemisphere
>Venice has surplus of everything you could possibly want
>Venice controls 4 iron deposits on it's capital ALONE
>Buys out every city state with resources
F U C K Y O U
>>338057517
Also America has the amazing Minutemen who can move like scouts. You can easily rush weaker civs as soon as you have Gunpowder researched.
>>338057563
Also Dido (Carthage) but she´s fucking crazy.
>>338020487
Of course notbonus points if you know which Civ leader says that in response to a bad deal
>>338057563
>Boudicca
7/10
>Elizabeth
6/10, clothes might change that
>Theodora
Semen Demon/10
>Catherine
8/10
>Isabella-chan
7/10, CMCT
>Marie Theresa
grandma/10
>Dido
I fucking hate this bitch, nuke on site/10
>>338057337
Theodora is good to add against if you don't care about religion
Fuck Austria, that shit is useless, she'll eat 2-3 CS and ultimately get stone-aged by other AIs (and you can't undo Venice or Austria's peaceful CS eating)
England and Portugal are good testy resting bitch face rivals, and they're both naval-capable so if you have a coastal cap be prepared for their mid-game bullshit
Spain is a toss-up. It's kind of like Theodora, Spain loves their religion-spam. Theodora ultimately imo is a little more respectful and easy to handle in diplomacy ... Spain will generally ignore your requests to keep their filthy missionaries out of your business. And Spain has a nasty habit of plopping a settler right on top your shit despite being halfway across the world, so there's that.
As for Egypt, if you like building Wonders, aw yeah ... but you'll probably start out on shitlands in desert, so your mileage for Wonder-whoring will vary depending upon if you got a start next to a lot of flood plains.
America is Generic Civ until the mid-late game, but their tile-buys are fucking awesome early-on, and their sight bonus is great for harder levels where you might have to deal with an early AI zerg rush.
if you make it to the Renaissance with America, you're golden. manifest that destiny and fucking own the map with plenty of lulz from there.
>>338057261
>Citizens of Belgrade are glad to see Wu-Tang come to their city and become the dominant religion.
>>338057873
reason why map generation favors Venice's cap for pregnant abundance of everything is because that's the only city they'll ever have.
so if they expand they're only doing it via puppeting on their further conquests or through merchants of venice to peaceful-takeover the city states.
Venice needs lush resources in their cap to do anything beyond getting eaten within 100 turns, and the map-generation knows it, so they almost always spawn in a choice spot as the AI with tons of goodies.
>>338058343
wu-tang ain't nothin to fuck with anon, user-made religi-fables are the best religions every time :D
lol intercontinental poo missiles
because they shit on the streets hahaha xD
>>338058031
My good friend Washington, who always seems to get bullied but as a consequence becomes my sole ally.
Am I the only one who thinks Alexander is the most powerful AI in this game? It seems at higher difficulties, after a certain point in the game he becomes unbeatable. Gigantic military, constant growth in his cities, city-states and benefits up the ass... Is taking him out very early the only option?
>>338058438
I can understand why they did it, but it doesn't make me any less pissed knowing that I can't expand because that single city fuckwit has all my rightful resources.
>when you're bordered between Atilla and another god damned war monger
>>338058831
Every time i had him he was just a huge bully but not actually dangerous. Unlike Shaka, Genghis or Monty who usually wipe the fuck out of entire continents.
>>338058065
>>338057894
forgot about Dido, "she's fucking crazy" is 100% accurate. one of the more unpredictable AIs in the game, she will turn on anyone on a dime, and it's not always easy to see it coming.
only good reasons to have Dido in the game ...
1) Dido is an equal-opportunity troll in the sense that she pulls her crazy shit on everyone and not just you
2) her cities come with harbors and she prioritizes coastal builds, so when you inevitably give her the Carthaginian Peace (destroy all of Carthage forevermore), you'll have nice connections to your cap city pre-built usually for you (provided the harbor isn't randomly sold or destroyed in the process)
>>338058776
Washington's AI is geared toward spying.
He gets in hot water because he generally competes with everyone on everything, but not on the mega-troll level that Alexander does.
But the spying ... oh, the spying. If you got a tech thefted, chances are good it's him or Elizabeth that did it.
But you can make that worth your time in Washington's case because he's not too difficult to DoF and keep the peace with from there.
And as much as he spies and thieves, he's doing it to others as well ... and he's likely to snitch any AI bitches as well. Washington will absolutely runtelldat right to you on anyone doing anything behind your back.
>>338059180
on deity if you're not skilled enough, you might as well re-roll if you start next to Attila, Genghis, Assyria, Zulu, and Aztec ... even more of a re-roll situation if there's more than one of these zerglords on your borders.
a solid Civ player can handle themselves in any situation with at least a dice-roll of success in the end on deity, but chances are good that if you get one of these guys near you, you're gonna get raped.
>>338059180
>mfw great start area but then i send my warrior exploring and Shaka+Monty are right next to me
>>338058831
>>338059196
You're not the only one. Because Alexander competes in everything beyond city-state stuff, and because he has those early-game plus-plus unique units, he's actually quite competent in the long game and tends to hold his own no matter how many people are against him.
AI Greece is pretty damn good for survival and thriving, almost every game. Alex almost never gets destroyed by other AIs ... Firaxis did a good job in concept and application on him.
>>338058831
One of the reasons he's so good is that his ability runs on auto-pilot, the AI doesn't have to do anything special beyond secure the alliances (and they have shittons of extra gold). It's hard to fuck that up even for the AI. Then he snowballs with all the CS resources and happiness. Combine that with his aggression and forward settling tendencies and you have one of the best leaders.
>>338060039
>start game as pic related, great science location
>Meet Genghis turn 5
>Shaka turn 10
>Nobunaga turn 20
>Assholebanipal turn 22
>Askia turn 25
>Exit to Main Menu
I was about to be the prize of the biggest fucking war in Civ history.
>>338060064
They fucked up Hiawatha though, his passive doesn´t work and he´s pretty weak as an AI. Also Korea for some reason isn´t strong as an AI either even though their science bonuses make them a pretty strong civ for a human player.
>>338059584
If you said this before my last game I'd say you were bullshitting about Washington and his spies
But good god, that last game
I wanted to win diplomatically, but I went order because I wanted to make one HUGE city and cash is more then enough to win diplo
Were it for that dickwad of a Washington
Everytime I spent 3000 gold to get some CS to ally me, he would stage a succesful coup the next turn
EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TIME
In the course of the game he probably did close to 50-60 coupes, of which only 5 or so failed
All the while I had succes in only 1 out of 5 when the chance for me was only 85%
I could live with me failing that much, but him just easily couping every CS I bought out with ridiculous amounts of gold was infuriating
>>338060595
>Hiawatha
>A weak AI
Man fuck that treenigger
Settling the whole goddamn map and fucking over everyone
>>338060567
Oh, correction, it wasn't Genghis, it was fucking Attila. And he'd already planted a city next to my capital by the time I met Nobunaga.
>>338042554
>spawn on an island next to Ashurbanipal
>he's a cunt so I decide to take him out quickly without anyone from the outside world knowing
>about to take his capital with my cannons when suddenly
>DING DONG CHING CHONG OH HERRO THERE
>Wu Zetian has met every civilization!
>>338060595
Have you ever seen Hiawatha on a ynaemp map when Pocatello isn't around or vice versa? It's fucking scary. I had a game where he pretty much owned the Americas. I was wondering where he got all that happiness from.
>>338060462
Absolutely.
One thing that's always blown my mind though ...
How in the ever of evers does Hiawatha almost always seem to thrive and survive as well?
1) his trait is garbage, and the longhouses are not as good past their era when the % bonuses of the generics are ultimately better than his + based production from them
2) they don't get movement bonus advantage on normal (non-arboreal) maps because the game mechanic treats his unit moving from forest to non-forest like a turn-ending event (different from how Inca and hills play out for movement greatness)
essentially Hiawatha is disadvantaged the whole time compared to the others, and he always seems to make it work in my games in spite of it.
maybe it's his city-spamming with the AI bonuses that ends up being better overall for him than the weight of his shitty design. i dunno for sure.
but whatever the case, Iroquois are rarely destroyed before you get to them, much like Alexander.
>>338060595
>>338061068
Yup, kek
>>338060567
Why not just befriend Genghis and/or Shaka and play them against the others? They're actually extremely loyal and non deceptive. Shaka is a fun guard dog who will attack anything for a few gold pieces and maybe a horse.
>>338061068
Expansion works for the AI because of their happiness, gold, and production bonuses. Hiawatha I think can afford to keep a whole bunch of forests around for his longhouses without messing with his economy as much as it does the player. I'm not sure but the building might actually be an advantage for the cheating injun.
>>338061931
I would've had Attila not made it perfectly clear I wasn't gonna make it to the Renaissance era.
Hell I settled away from him (he was east so I pushed west) and the next turn he's bitching at me for settling too close to him. Motherfucker had already decided my capital was his
He mai, e pä'ina pü ka po'e o käua!
>>338061931
numbers-wise, it's a very transitory advantage dependent upon multiple trees in the workable lands.
over time, the %-boosting generic buildings will have the numbers advantage over Hiawatha's + hammer per forest setup on the longhouse.
after Medieval, he's super-disadvantaged because of it, yet by that time the AI happiness bonuses and building time reduction bonus keeps him afloat to where a live player in the same situation won't have that.
>>338062340
>Alex CS competitiveness
>3
I call bullshit Firaxis
>>338060595
It's because Sejong never builds an army and rarely expands.
On the off-chance that he survives and manages to expand (which probably won't happen unless he spawns on a continent by himself far away from the warmongers) he's practically unstoppable.
>>338062839
Look at the CS Biases. He has 8 in Protective.
>>338062340
Attila's an unpredictable mega-troll for strategy, but one thing always remains clear ... if you're his neighbor, he will sooner rather than later attack you.
He's one of the early-era guys who will show up with the battering ram on his neighbors, almost every time.
That unit's uniqueness is pretty shit, but his AI knows how to use it, and he will absolutely crush a peaceful-ish neighbor more than half of the time, no matter if it's an AI or you.
the problem with Civ for live players without regard to difficulty level is that if you're engaged in one or more early-game wars, the AI will tech up and snowball past you with ease.
you simply must avoid too much aggression early especially in BNW era without the science and culture wins turned off ... and even then, it's not a surprise when, even with the method of spy-thefting techs to keep up with AIs and their bonus-heavy-ness on harder levels ... you'll still end up being way behind on tech.
>>338063180
Correct. It's dependent upon Sejong's initial placement.
An isolated Korea is a best Korea for the AI. They're basically OP for science-snowball with their unique trait.
glossy hitler is best hitler
>that blitzkrieg bonus
>>338052232
When he's your friend he's so goofy and happy.
He was a great ally, I had more problems with the Huns.
>>338063210
Bingo.
During G&K era, he would flip-out immediately and denounce anyone who bought the alliance of a CS, regardless of if he was competing for them or not.
Even doing something for the CS would get him to denounce, if it led to ally status.
They toned down his testy nature for BNW about CSes, but man does he still get bitchy with everyone over anything beyond even the CS competition.
>>338063407
Yeah I noticed BitchAsshurbanipal is the same way with his fucking siege towers.
Fuck him, his beard and his stupid diary
>>338063697
When i started with the Huns for the first time i wiped out 3 civs in like 100 turns at most.
Is Civ fun? I like Total War
>>338063834
Indeed. It's because Ashurbanipal's aggro level is fairly high, so he fucks with his neighbors quite often.
Assyria's a little easier to deal with and handle compared to Attila though. Huns cannot be reasoned with ... they do their own thing, all the time, every time.
>>338063626
fantasy hitler that's drifting between worlds is best hitler
Anyone have the /4xgen/ scenario generator? I'm debating starting a CBP game.
>>338064085
Yeah I could see that, every time I beat him up he's begging for an embasy next turn.
>Be Oda Nobunaga, aiming for domination victory
>Ally with Byzantium and get invited to war with the Ottomans
>Wipe the fuck out of the Ottomans, no warmonger penalty because I was conquering in self defense
>Catch Morocco spying on me, use it as an excuse to declare war and exterminate them
>Still no warmonger penalty
>Siam denounces me for reasons, I demand a city from them just to piss them off further
>Byzantium suggests war with Siam, accept and crush them
>Just me and Byzantium left on this continent, time to clean up
>After cleansing the continent, sail forth and discover Germany, Russia and Mongolia chilling on another continent
>Still no warmonger penalty
>They have no idea
>hellmarch.mp3
>>338064065
do you know and like traditional board game Risk and pre-5 clusterfuck Sim City?
if yes and yes, then yes.
>>338064462
did you fug
>>338064406
Ashurbanipal not near you can be a good domination ally, because he'll almost always be involved with easy-to-reason wars against others.
>>338064065
Civ is like playing Risk, Catan, and Monopoly at the same time. Its incredibly addictive and fun.
Watch out, Gandhi might drop the A-bomb
>>338064751
Ah, much obliged friend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AB0k4Itneg
hello kuf-riends!
is suleiman!
good friend, yes?
mind if we move our navy
a little
we built those ships ourselves, all by ourselves.
hehe
>>338064462
You're doing it right re: warmonger management ...
only way to negate warmonger points ...
1) time liberations between new cities conquered
2) make sure all your DoF Civs are also warring actively at the same time, since they will not count wm points and will give you a modifier of "we fought against a common foe" type deal
and if the new continent's AI leaders didn't know you prior to your running rampage, they won't have an opinion on what you did prior to meeting them
>>338064757
have another ine
Washington is always my bitch. He is always weaker than me and I make him have stupid ward against my enemies so I can prosper
>>338064995
I love the face Suleiman makes when I declare war on him
>>338048059
rollin this shiz
>>338065361
you should be prioritizing that part of 'The Jewish Method' (paying one AI to war another) against the more capable threats, anon.
anyone who is easily bested should be dealt with later if the AIs haven't done it already.
on harder difficulties you're doing it wrong if you're not paying Alexander to DoW his neighbor and et cetera.
>>338021105
Shaka is a huge bamf I've learned, even if you spawn next to him. You can expect him to declare war on you a half dozen times, but once you keep trading with him and make him love you, he will just go out and make you his partner in crime. He literally CANNOT get warmonger penalties from you. I think he likes you even MORE if you start fucking people up, especially if it's together. If he actually has the forethought to give you a declaration of friendship, that's basically him dropping a spear at your feet and telling you that he wants to rule the world with you.
Peace can only come when all others are beaten.
>>338065051
>Your Samurai (0 damage) was destroyed by the enemy Gunship! (89 damage)
If you're new to the game and don't know who does what, this is a good UU page to familiarize yourself with what the UUs do and sort out which is which from god-tier to shit-tier
http://www.carlsguides.com/strategy/civilization5/civs-leaders/uniqueunits.php
Camel Archers, Minutemen, great units and so on ... Dromons and Great Galleases, glorified useless UUs (although the unique Greek Fire animation is kind of cool on Byzantium's Dromon).
>>338066116
That is the least user friendly teir list I've ever seen. There's no rhyme or reason to it. There's nothing expressly saying if anything is good or bad.
2/10 see me after class.
>>338066497
this
I'm new to civ 5after only playing Revolutionand it doesn't really help
>>338066497
it's called critical thinking skill, like the table of Civ AIs and their settings, you use your own brain to figure it out.
-infinity/10 response, anon
If you're looking for good examples of people who have already thought out a lot of the strategy and tier-listing for you, go on YouTube and search for Marbozir for single-player and FilthyRobot for multiplayer. they're pros who have already done all of the brain-work for you.
>>338033678
>piece
>>338066794
see>>338066986
I know reading is hard, but it's not that hard to brain-think the things, you two can do it
>>338064995
He looks so happy all the time, I can't be mad at him even if he declares war on me.
>>338066794
Here's all you need to know. As far as Unique Units go, here are good ones from my own personal top of the head tier list.
>AAA
>England's Both Units
Longbow archer can seige cities from a safe distance like 1000 years before artilleries. Absolutely uncounterable nightmares when offline assuring that you can get free cities as soon as you research machinery. If you spend time upgrading an archer to composite by fighting city states without capturing them, then by the time Machinery rolls around, you can have 45% stronger double attacking longbowmen who can essentially solo entire cities.
Their other unit, the ship of the line, completely dominates the ocean a few dozen turns after Longbowmen allow you to get entire cities to 1 hp in like 2 turns even without upgrades, since Maritime upgrades are so devastating. You can also hit knights or other contemporary ground units from afar and kill them in 1 hit without even trying.
>AA
>The Huns
While their unique Horse Archers are fine I guess, they also get a funny little unit called the BATTERING RAM. That asshole has the funny aspect of being the replacement for archers, which means your scouts can BECOME them.
When this happens, you can literally without any difficulty seek out a nearby civ and just slam into their capital twice and take it.
>A
Greece. Companion Cavalry and Hoplites have the bonus of being incredibly fat with numbers, allowing you to either wage early war, utilize your unique ability to come back easily from bullying every city state ever, or go around killing all barbarian camps FOR the city states for early near-permanent alliances. It's a fantastic mix of power and diplomatic capability
>Everything Else
They have their uses but those are the 3 major powerhouses that are always consistently good.
>F
Constantinople. Just stop.
>>338066986
>>338067143
You're annoying. Your list is shit and doesn't actually show anything that any player cant see from just looking in the civilopedia.
The entire part about "Does it travel through upgrades" is retarded.
If it's a promotion; Yes. If it's not; No.
There, I just TL;DRed your entire shitty tier list.
>>338067740
I think you forgot Camel Archers, mate. Probably the strongest unit in the game.
>>338067740
You forgot a few
>AAA
The Mongolians
The Keshiks can move after attacking, do serious damage and got 5 movement
On top of that they level a lot faster, meaning you gain those nice promotions real quick
>AA
The Zulu's
The Impi is just brute force and will work well against even riflemen
When with an Ikanda (I think) they gain strong free promotions that allow them to fuck up everything on land in their era
The only things they can't beat are Longbowmen, provided they are on Hills/Great Wall area, Keshiks and Camel Riders
>>338066794
same anon here on the brain-thinking jab, I actually didn't intend to douche it up to you ...
general tips on the reading section for that tome of what the UUs do ...
1) you're looking for UUs that carry their promotions as you upgrade them, like Aztec's Jaguar, England's Longbowman, et cetera. with England's LBM, you get a massive advantage in land wars because you can extend your ranged units outside of the firing range of AIs if you're doing it right, they're very OP due to promo-carrying
2) once you figure out which do what via playing the game and consulting lists like this or Filthy's tiers videos or Marbozir's advice videos, it'll start confirming what they're saying
ultimately you have to play the game for more than a few hours to git gud, but if you're any kind of competent at chess/checkers/card-games/jrpgs/other strategy-heavy stuff, you're gonna conquer Civ 5 like the rest of us
as for needing to be a genius to play it, hardly ... talking on 4chan and being IRL genius is almost entirely mutually-exclusive, imo. and I'm far from being a fucking god-tier player myself, so there's that, I'll readily admit
but if you're not retarded, you'll get the game to be fun even if you're primarily just stuck on Chieftain for the duration of your Civ 5 gaming, there's nothing wrong with treating it like a giant Garry's Mod type sandbox to just fuck about and do what you want
>>338068118
They are fantastic units, but I mostly meant from an offline standpoint. Camel Archers are good, but slightly outclassed by Keshiks offline since Keshiks ignore hill costs while Camel archers can be easily bottlnecked by it, along with the Mongolian ability for 1 mounted movements.
Offline Arabia is all about utilizing heavy religion and trading anyway.
I have a completely different tier list for online play.
>>338068243
I was gonna fit in a few more AA and A's in there, but I ran out of room.
>>338068336
Ah, makes sense
At least you're spot on with England
Top tier UU's
>>338024886
>He was a pretty stern fucker that didn't believe in wearing underwear because it fostered weakness, but that doesn't change the fact that he's a figure of peace.
Sure it does change it. People live by the memes they know though, gandhi was a piece of shit just like mother theresa just like MLK.
Humans are assholes.
Has the 4chan mod ever been updated?
>>338020487
>play with friend
>instigate a 2000-year war between him and Iroqouis
>win financial victory
Shit AI sometimes works in your favour
>Start a new Deity game for the first time in a year
>Pick Sweden because they're shit
>Reset because the game spawned FoY next to my starting location
>Still dominate the AI before the Renaissance
Any mods that make the game hard again?
>>338069273
>Sweden
>shit
That's not how you spell "the Iroquois."
>>338069413
At least they don't have a tundra bias. I think.
People underestimate tundra though, it's comfy. No asshole AIs wanting your lands.
>>338069028
Japan also tends to be a grudge-master on paying them to DoW someone.
I had a game where I paid Oda to DoW Carthage after Dido's usual shenanigans, and while it took Japan 1000+ years in-game to do it, he eventually floated over enough units to wipe her out.
>>338068449
>>338068118
>>338068243
While I'm at it, lets do UB.
>AAA
>Ethiopia AND Maya
At the same time, both the Stele and the Pyramid are probably the best UB's in the game, and I count them at the same time because other than a slight discretion, they both fulfill the exact same purpose: Very fast incredibly high early game faith production to the nth degree when spamming cities. Ethiopia's Stele is available slightly earlier, but due to this, if you build it as soon as the game starts instead of building a scout, you can get first pantheon (Granted some lucky fuck doesn't find 2 religious states) by turn 12. The Pyramid is arguably better because it equals the same amount of faith (+2) while also providing +2 tech, offsetting the cost of making a huge civ so early. Conversely, Maya's UA pairs with this building a bit better, cause if you beeline for Theology, by the time you found your religion, you can Long Count straight into an improved religion by turn 120 or something incredibly early as shit like that. Ethiopia's ability is essentially turned off by spamming their broken ability.
>AA
>Arabian Bazaars
Anyone whose played Civ 5 knows exactly what I'm talking about. What's better than luxuries? DOUBLE LUXURIES. If you have even like 3 cities parked in even half decent locations, you have more luxuries than your bottom 3 competitors combined. You can essentially run the entire world and get free money all over the place. Their starting bias for desert assures that you get the semi-rare incense in bulk and essentially have a monopoly, and even have the foresight to possibly get first religion with Desert Folklore.
>F
>Iroquois
I sure do love a unique building that's in every considerable way (barring the small possibility of spawning next to LITERALLY 22 forests) worse than the base building. Iroquois is a civ that sucks so much ass in every way. Their UA for roads barely even works.
>>338068336
Correct, playing offline against nothing but AIs vs. playing multiplayer vs other live randos is a vastly different experience, the tiers are def different for either type of play
Is there a mod that replaces all units and leaders with cute girls?
>>338069526
1 food flat tundra vs nothing on flat desert is def better, since nothing on flat desert = mountains and snow tiles
>>338069820
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/browse?appid=8930
pretty much every anime ever is modded already, just do a search for whatever qt you're thinking of and it's probably there
>>338069701
Let me go off the top of my head.
Online Teirs:
>If He Spawns Next to me I Quit Tier
England
Huns
Arabia (Can be quashed early)
Mongolia
Zulu
>Please don't be a dick Tier
India
Carthage
Greece (Don't even try to compete for states)
Songhai
>Hey he got that civ, let's kill him fast Tier
Venice
Iroquois
Byzantium
>This guy is my friend, not yours Tier
Morocco
Sweden
I could be missing a few memes, but this is essentially me.
>>338069610
there's a mod for Hiawatha that I use if I consider playing them, something like "Hiawatha Reborn" ... think this is the one -
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=370744429
otherwise without that mod I'd just remove Iroquois as an option via advanced setup
FUCK SONGHAI.
I make it a point to destroy them every time I encounter them.
>>338070316
Literally all they needed to do to fix them is just make it a regular workshop with all the base materials that also gives the city like +3 hammers if you're working at least 1 forest or something.
I mean holy shit. Raw Production will never outclass Production% past turn 150.
>>338070430
They have an amazing UB for peace games, but everything else begs them to be unlovable cunts.
His AI is also odd. He seems to love peace, as long as it benefits him, making him a terrible ally, since he will betray your ass easier than everyone. At least Shaka is bro-tier enough to stab you in the back then ask you to stab someone else. Songhai is just a cunt about it.
>>338069845
Desert has lots of aluminum, oil and uranium though
>>338070430
Least threatening warmonger ever. Would you prefer goddamn Augustus?
>>338020603
Gandhi is the least likely to denounce you. Until the Atomic Age where his likeliness to go to war changes from a 1 to a 9. Which is actually hard coded into the game. But even with that, since India doesn't build much military, you will probably have more military than he does late game. So all he does is denounce you, then never attacks. Since the AI only attacks if you have an equal or smaller army.
And plus, anyone who is half decent at the game will have won before the AI gets nukes.
>>338070075
and that's an in-general accurate list anon, I agree
if with randos and someone's playing Venice or Iroquois and you see that they're not a multi-hour bad-ass, those are the ones that are doing it wrong since they're better off re-rolling
>>338070430
how do you feel about the Zulus then, /pol/
>>338070787
True, but if you're looking at it from a starting spawn, it's better off Tundra than flat Desert.
Basically desert Civs are the ones you look to conquer at least one AI before late games because of those later-game advantages. Let those AIs build their shit there, and take it from them instead.
>>338070957
Offline however, I find that Venice is really good as a "Head of the Dragon" kind of civ. 1 City to rule them all and such.
1 city offline challenges are some of my favorites, and Venice is one of my go-to's.
>>338070476
yeah it was an idea Firaxis needed to bake a little longer, and they never bothered to patch it so that it wasn't a major disadvantage for everyone but the AI.
>>338070075
In higher difficulties, you actually want aggressive AIs to start next to you. Because you know all they're going to do is build an army and attack you. A few walls and archers and you will destroy their first attack, then they leave you alone. And if you have money, you can bribe them to go attack other civs and avoid the war entirely.
Its jerks like Sweden, Spain, Germany and Siam you have to worry about. Because they'll smile and trade with you for 200 turns. Even forgive you for expanding next to them. Then suddenly out of nowhere, they attack you. And fucking Siam and Sweden NEVER surrender. Even when you have 3x as much military, they keep fighting.
>>338022253
He's probably one of the worst intentioned characters in this game.
>>338020487
>Gandhi
>>338020794
Sounds like you have more salt than them
>>338071426
oh yeah, big diff on Venice between multiplayer (re-roll) and offline (doable yet not ideal due to shit UU boat).
I do Venice in single-player too, but if I'm looking to do that, like you I'm doing one-city
>>338067080
>implying his spelling mistake made him wrong
>roads cost 1g per tile
Fuck this idea.
>>338071512
he was talkin about online vs. live players, not online vs AIs
>there are people posting in this thread right now that have not played CBP
Absolutely disgusting. I can't even think about going back to vanilla.
>>338071604
Ashoka never ruled the southern tip of india!
>>338071846
The problem is how often fundamentals change with each patch, so it's impossible to make strategies for.
>>338071737
http://civilization.wikia.com/wiki/Incan_(Civ5)
Inca is best New World Civ as a result of maintenance trait without even considering anything else they got goin' for 'em
>>338071737
It's so you don't spam roads all over your city for no cost whatsoever
>>338070075
I'm assuming you're leaving out Poland and Babs because they're banned in whatever group you play with?
>>338020487
Biggest fucker of Civ V, Never trust him.
>>338072037
yup, only really need one road connected to the city network, or a harbor on other continents, but with BNW and the money-making boost it isn't nearly as much of an issue if not being efficient with road-builds
>>338071937
The mod's come a long way and there hasn't been any major changes since the science change last fall. At this point, the new patches only tinker with minor balance like combat strength for a few units, promotion strengths, or making underpowered UAs more competitive.
>>338071737
>sign open borders with someone
>invade them with workers and build roads everywhere in their land
>they go bankrupt
>>338072117
Korea is more of a problem with science than Babylonia, but I'm guessing the same as well
>>338072002
I love the Incas, probably my favorite civ. Their improvement is so amazing you could build a city in a snowy mountain range and have more population than anyone else in the game. Has anyone tried this on Tilted Axis or Boreal or something?
>>338072256
kek
>germans spy me all day every day
>even after firewall
>they keep denouncing me
>won't go to war
>liberate some incas who where accosted by them
>now everyone hates me forever
WHAT THE FUCK MAN
>>338022293
warmonger penalty is if you take an opponents city that "isn't your city". Basically you can take back your original cities that were taken but taking someone cities via war is warmongering.
Instead to avoid the Warmongering penalty you can beat the shit out of them but don't take their cities.
Though to be honest if you are taking cities you are probably already a warlord type victory so just ignore it and blow everything up
>>338072465
yeah the food multiplier based on number of mountain tiles more than makes up for dead mountain space.
>>338072002
The Maya are better, the Aztec are better, Pocatello is arguably only slightly worse.
>>338048059
Well then
>>338072658
I meant on literal snow tiles, not just tundra. I'm gonna try building a city on the top half of Tilted Axis at some point on one of the mountain ranges just to see if it works.
>>338023083
>I only play the mode where you can ONLY win when you take over all the other cities, I'm tired of doing a 30+ hour game, and out of nowhere someone gets a science win.
just check demographics for who's leading literacy, then fuck them up
>>338071604
Civ has always been pretty dumb with it's leader choices.
Civ 2 had the whole "every civilization needs a male and a female leader", which for some cases, lent itself to completely made up leaders who aren't even semi-legendary.
Civ 5 obviously had to meet some sort of equality quota, which is why there are so many female leaders. Elizabeth, Maria Theresa, Maria I and Isabella are all solid choices. Catherine and Wu Zetian are certainly debatable as to who you get to represent them. Russia you have Peter the Great and China you have the Gaozu emperor, but aside from those two stand out choices, the next step up probably would be those female choices, that is of course you opt out of picking filthy commies as their representatives.
Theodora, Hiawatha, Dido, Boudicca, Bismark and Gandhi are all ridiculous choices for their leaders, either because they have better male equivalents, they don't exist or they never even led their particular civilization.
Oh and the Shoshone maybe a good civ, but they are the biggest literal who faction in the game. At least pick the Cherokee or Sioux.
>>338072674
depends on what you're classifying for better.
overall Inca or gtfo, but if you absolutely go Science, Maya are better.
Aztec have a great early-game Jaguar for domination, but they're often jungle-based and it takes much longer in tech-getting to do anything about jungle to make them more than a dead tile of pure food, plus it takes longer to chop jungle. and then there's the problem of getting spawned nowhere near lakes, which the map tends to do for Aztecs when you're playing as them
Pocatello's starting city trait of getting extra tiles is nice, but vs. Inca in comparison, it doesn't matter beyond easy land-claiming. they outclass America in the comparison, but not Inca
Inca is best New World Civ, straight-up.
>>338073153
Inca is shit if you don't get any mountains and don't plan on early wars. The Aztec can out-populate anyone else on the map, which does spawn them next to fresh water unless you're playing Great Plains or some shit.
>>338073153
Aztecs have an extremely nice UA, but a weak UU because of how little action it's going to see. This is the same with the Maya, only the Maya UA lends itself to a more varied victory type because you have the choice of great person.
Poland, Arabia and Babylon are the best civs overall. No contest.
>>338022064
>playing as Netherlands
>capture Atilla's Court
>rename it William's Court
>>338073139
>>338073153
I agree that the Incas are the best.
The Maya are arguably more reliable for early snowballing science than the Inca due to the guaranteed pyramid science and the free GS but the Inca have more potential in the long run due to growth.
As for the Aztecs I haven't played enough games with them to know if they have more reliable growth potential than the Incas. Seems like lakes would be rarer than mountains with nearby hills. Their other bonuses are definitely worse than the awesome hill movement and free roads though.
Pocatello is overrated.
>>338058831
I find Siam's Ramkhamalalamawhambang more dangerous as an AI than Alex. His elephants are so ridiculously strong that in a battle between AIs, it'll easily allow him to crush his neighbours and go super wide.
>>338073482
Poland Arabia and Babylon aren't New World.
>>338073410
in BNW population and tall is key, but unlike Aztecs I can get a random map generated 8x out of 10 with nearby mountains for based Incas.
Aztec UU no question is better, but you're extremely limited in build-time for taking advantage, which is the problem with a lot of early-game-based Civs.
for an example, take America's Minuteman ... once Renaissance is reached, it has an insane amount of time to build/buy the units, compared with Inca or Aztec with their UUs.
>>338073893
>Pocatello is overrated.
I wouldn't go that far. Pathfinder is an unbelievably useful unit. The land grab is always a bonus (and if you going down the liberty tree, can be doubly beneficial due to slow border growth). Defensive land bonus is also nice, especially when attacking from recently occupied cities.
Their unique cavalry is dogshit though.
>>338045414
for some reason monty is always my bro, but the rest of the civs basically beg me to betray him. They then declare me a war monger for betraying him the hypocrites.
>>338074070
Not all UUs are meant to be spammed. The Jaguar exists to kill barbs, generate culture and steal a worker. Then you can basically disband them, your enemies can try to take your 24 pop cities any day.
Atlatlists exist to give you an instant archer without picking up the tech. Slingers exists for balancing purposes because they're worse than the generic unit.
Civ IV veteran here.
About to make the jump to V.
What exactly changed? What do I need to know?
Is it still possible to massively outtech the AI to the point you are churning out tanks by 1400 AD or so?
>>338073893
Aztec are a slow early slog, but they can be great past the point where Jungle tiles can be handled.
Compared to Inca, their movement bonuses happen from the get, regardless of where they are to start.
Shoshone are overrated for sure because the extra land via settler plops is like America, if you're plopping in a resource-limited area it really does little good until you can fast-track population later, only advantage beyond America is that you don't have to buy those extra tiles. but you still gotta work'em
and their cavalry replacement is good but it definitely comes quite late. the makeup on that is that their scouts are the best uu for getting to choose bonuses from goodie huts, but after the early game they're useless beyond exploration
>>338074354
you wouldn't be disbanding Jaguars because their promos are carried on upgrade.
and that 24 pop takes a lot longer than Ghandi due to the start bias being in problem jungles.
>>338073139
While some of the leader choices like Boudicca and Theodora are pretty dumb, I actually thought the inclusion of Catherine for Russia was funny. Especially since they put a bunch of horse hooves in the theme for Russia. Its like the designers did it intentionally.
And while I think Emporor Chin should be the only logical choice as the leader for China, I can't exactly hate Wu Zetian. She was hot. I was more annoyed that China focused on war instead of science. All the more reason to have two or three leader choices per civ in Civ VI.
>Oh and the Shoshone maybe a good civ, but they are the biggest literal who faction in the game. At least pick the Cherokee or Sioux.
Originally the designers were going to use a different Native American tribe. Can't remember which one it was, the Zuni or Pueblo or something. Someone from the southwest. But when they contacted the actual tribe, they refused to have their culture depicted in a video game. So they had to pick a different native tribe. This was the early concept art for them.
I'd like to see the Olmec, Hopi and Cherokee in Civ VI. I'd also like to see the Zuni, but they're rather obscure and probably were the ones who said no.
Okay im about to play CBP for the first time. I play on king/emperor, whats a good civ/setup/difficulty to try it out?
>>338024663
its a running gag of the series. i fully expect it to be in Civ 6.
which is odd, since in Civ 5 i've only ever been nuked by Babylon and Rome
>>338074795
Stop perpetuating this meme, at worst it's 2 food which is better than plains. Jungles get bananas after your second building.
The only issue with jungles is you can't go wide fast because your luxuries require 2 tier 2 techs.
>>338073893
I'd say the Inca and Maya are tied for best civs in the whole game. They're just so versitile that you can do anything with them. The Inca can even take a Tundra start and come out with the highest population. If I want to play an easy game, I just pick one of them.
I'd say the Maya probably are the most overpowered because you can surpass everyone science right at the start. While also becoming the fastest religion outside of Celts and Ethiopia. Their shrine replacement is just plain broken, not that I'm complaining.
>>338074835
Play Persia or Rome. Go wide and use their UBs to get drowned in an eternal golden age. I've had a game as a Persia where I was in a perpetual golden age from the medieval to the game's end in the modern age.
>>338074835
Doesn't matter, you'll die. The AI in CBP doesn't fuck around.
>>338071619
Kek
>>338074812
>Olmec
Would you really want more Central American representation? It'd be crowded enough if they decided to add more colonial nations like Mexico.
The logical choice would have to be the Sioux. Arguably the most well known Great Plains Indians, which would separate them from the east coast Iroquois. That and the Sioux had been playable in previous Civ games.
The Mapuche would be pretty neat, as would a generic Inuit faction. The Inuit mod for Civ 5 is surprisingly good imo.
>>338074812
Pueblo
And it wasn't so much their culture that wasn't allowed, but their leader, Pop-e
Too bad too, because they built cool-ass mountain cities
>>338074562
>Is it still possible to massively outtech the AI to the point you are churning out tanks by 1400 AD or so?
yes
>What exactly changed?
hex grid instead of square, 1 unit per tile instead of stacking.
it's still fun even for most Civ 4 vets despite deity dominance with tech-outpacing and whatnot.
>>338073139
Catherine actually ruled Russia in name and practice for a long while. While you may debate whether she's greater than Peter, she's definitely legit to be there. Wu Zetian is just there for being a woman though.
Also there are better options than Maria for Portugal.
>>338074562
on lower difficulties yes. on higher difficulties you will get swarmed by frigates and ironclads before you get to gunpowder if you don't know what you're doing
main differences between the two:
no tech trading
1 unit per tile (1upt) (the AI is really bad at it)
the game rewards specialization over jack of all trades. if you're good at all 4 victory conditions, you're playing on too low a difficulty
>>338075123
Not that anon, but jungles are a fucking crap start (only tundra is worse) because there's a lack of production. Food is nice, but not nice if you can't do shit with it.
>>338075130
>the most overpowered because you can surpass everyone science right at the start
When Babylon exists, I very much doubt this is the case.
Then of course you have Korea encroaching in to be the chief, late game science leaders.
>>338023125
FUCKIN PEDRO II
>>338075130
easiest Science civs are Korea, Maya, and Babylon
easiest Culture civ is Poland
>>338073139
>Bismarck
>ridiculous choice
Let me guess, you want Hitler instead?
>>338075123
>better than plains
It's like you hate actually having hammers.
>>338075441
Such as Maria II if they still wanted a woman
They chose Maria I because she was crazy though, and they want a variety of personalities in the game. Not everyone gets in because of notability, although sometimes the two just combine nicely.
Wu Zetian isn't a BAD choice either - if you wanna talk bad choices, look at Boudicca or Hiawatha
>>338063626
>>338064378
Alive Hitler is best Hitler.
>>338075130
Babylon beats them in early science without having to settle like four cities immediately and Korea is probably better too because Sejong can get a science advantage by building markets and guilds. You also forgot Poland which is not just the best but also the most fun civ in the game due to the whole new world of social policy possibilities that open up for you.
And as I said earlier you could probably even do a snow start as the Inca and make it work. I would say they're second most flexible behind Poland.
>>338075496
there was a great mod that worked on the existing leftover Civ 4 programming that re-introduced tech trades and map trades back into 5 ... but whoever made that mod stopped supporting it and it's broken last time I checked. I really loved that mod, so easy to make a fortune just off of those two re-introduced
>>338075498
>>338075641
t. restarts if they don't get GL
Try playing Deity and tell me Jungle isn't the greatest fucking thing when Attila the Fag comes knocking.
>>338075441
>Also there are better options than Maria for Portugal.
Like who?
>this is forward settling according to Casimir
I've never been denounced this quickly
>>338075771
It's not broken anymore. Putmalk released version 11 not too long ago and added vassal taxation.
I loved how 90% of responses in Civ V is just "Very well."
https://youtu.be/IilQnuwc7Z0?t=51
>>338022497
>he's a racist and a pedophile
That's all Indians though.
>>338071737
You're supposed to connect them to the capital, you nigger. It's a good system.
I am honestly enjoying this game. I don't understand how people can give a game a 0. Yea its not great but its not bad. There are some technical bugs that I am sure will be fixed up in updates. Graphics are about as good as most late previous gen games. the sound is effects are good. Gameplay is fun. Your character seems to move slow but once you buy the proper gear it improves greatly. the fact that you can change your weapon attachments during a firefight is pretty cool. The story is mediocre but its not horrible. The Co-Op multiplayer is surprisingly very fun. The multiplayer has a lot to unlock and will provide any player with hours of gameplay. I honestly would give this game a 7-7.5 but I am giving it more because I feel the 0 ratings are from people who played the opening and stopped there. most of the 0 ratings showed up not too long after the games release and there is no way that they gave it the time to rate it fairly
>>338075552
While Babylon does get a free great scientists and technically will get more science for the first 100 turns or so, you can argue that the Maya get their Shrine out while Babylon is still teching up to Writing. And after you make 3-4 cities with pyramids in them, Maya will make up the science benefit Babylon gets with its great scientist. Basically, I see the Maya as much better at early game science rushing. Babylon of course gets great scientists over time and probably rule the mid game for science. Korea surpasses them in late game however (if they live that long).
>>338075441
Wu Zetian is one of the top 3 rulers for the Tang dynasty, one of China's greatest golden ages. She's just as legitimate as Catherine.
>>338075879
I've never, ever not been mortal enemies with Casimir. Him and Elizabeth always hate me with suicidal fervor.
>>338075879
You made a city within 40 tiles of him. So yes, to him it is forward settling. He's only beat by Greece and Zulu for aggressiveness.
>>338075821
I'd much rather have forests in that case, same defense and no waiting for fucking Bronze Working
I don't restart for jungles, but it does make for very unfun first 50 turns
>>338076018
> I don't understand how people can give a game a 0
Civ IV puritans. Jerking off to ranma 1/2 and listening to blind guardian.
>>338075582
No I just wanted someone who was actually in charge of Germany.
Fuck it, just make it Prussia and stick Frederick in it's place. You have England on it's own, and Rome instead of Italy, so I don't see why not.
>>338075678
Most Chinese monarchs are pretty terrible to be fair. Wu Zetian stands out because she is the only empress and managed to split an entire dynasty into two halves because of she cucked her own children.
>>338075752
Poland is so fucking fun just on a pure running riot level for OP-ness, indeed
Those culture-advantages, particularly the free policies every era, really play into any kind of win you want.
And Winged Hussar is fantastic due to its carry-over promos on upgrade, plus you can build them in any era via upgrade if you take the one policy where you can buy Landsknechts because the upgrade is the Hussar.
in general Lancers are garbage, but Poland's one of the few that not only has a decent UU but also makes the Lancer-path on upgrades worth a shit
>>338075582
Bismarck was never the actual leader
He was chief advisor to Wilhelm I, and with that one of the most important men in German history
But he wasn't a leader of Germany
Which that guy stated
>>338075821
There are other terrain types that are just as hindering as jungles. See: hills, mountains, forests, fucking rivers.
Jungle starts are still shit on Deity because you're not going to be able to catch up to the AI when it takes you fifteen fucking turns to build a library and you can't improve jungle tiles for a long time.
>>338075830
John II, Henry the Navigator
>>338073139
>Bismark
>>338075936
OHSHI, no trolling? it's fixed?!?
I think I'm gonna have to go back to the game and re-add it to my happy fun times mods, thx for the info duder
>>338076182
That's true, though the Jaguar tends to alleviate this.
Strictly speaking, "which is good" usually translates into "who doesn't immediately die and has lategame potential" on Deity and Jungles are great for this purpose. Unless you're Pedro because his neighbor is going to be the Aztec.
>>338075879
Remember 1st of September 1939 anon
>>338025187
as long as you have a decent army to defend you, you should generally focus the cities on food, not just to get more dudes to work tiles but also because more pop = more science
make sure you manage the happiness so the city growth don't stagnate. try to get the circus maximus fast. try to discover more civs to trade luxuries with. don't settle too many cities, as each take up 4 happiness, but if you have much excess happiness then you need to find a place to settle.
if you're doing war and conquering cities you might want to burn them down so you don't get the unhappiness from occupation
>>338076247
He was the first chancellor
If you're going to be that nitpicky William of Orange wasn't "really" a leader either
>>338076250
Hills are also shit because they expose your cities/units to ranged fire. But absolutely nothing gets through jungle hills, which also nullifies shitters like Cavalry, Berserkers and Impi.
>>338076297
>John II
Good choice.
>>338076348
You know what I meant.
>>338076371
That's bullshit
I only play Deity and a Jungle start is a fucking deathknell because you can't get anything off the ground. The AIs don't declare THAT early on you, and even if they do with Jungle you're way behind in military because no production. Fuck that noise.
>>338076402
kek
>>338076297
Henry was never king though.
>>338076598
You barely need a military with jungle. Also lrn2settle if you can't generate hammers.
>>338076247
Bismarck was a de facto leader
>>338076431
correct, more pop leads to more hammers and more beakers overall, but based on the game's design, you should set your default to production focus because the food isn't calculated like the hammers are. if you don't set it to production, you're missing out on extra hammers per turn.
>>338076442
Just looked it up
You're right
Well, that means he really had actual power, in that case
He was a good representative of GermanyEven if he wasn't the Chancellor he would have been though
>>338076442
>chancellor
So not technically in charge of the country then.
William was a stadtholder, which literally means the head of state.
He shouda had more weed
>>338076598
yeah, it's not entirely accurate on otheranon's end.
>>338077012
>which literally means the head of state.
No it doesn't, "stad" means city in dutch
source: I speak dutch.
>>338077347
>source: I speak dutch.
I had no idea this also means you can understand all previous iterations of your language, including words which have changed their meanings.
Boy you are truly a well educated man.
>>338076936
>the food isn't calculated like the hammers are
what does that mean?
So I heard you like Terrace Farms.
if you're a new Civ 5 gamer looking to get gud, a great learning tool of a mod (total cheating but good for learning wat do) is In-Game Editor.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=436912
it's cheating because you can guarantee yourself a win with it, at any point, but in terms of learning how to do things the best way, it's invaluable to newbs as far as being able to see what other AIs are doing when they're doing it.
just from a pure get-gud-faster standpoint, it can help anyone new figure things out faster than anything else available.
IGE def does pretty much everything as well ...
if you're playing Ghandi for example and Genghis happens to be your neighbor, when he zergs you on turn 30, instead of scrapping an hour's time based on bad fortune, IGE will let you delete the Mongol units, spawn multiple units of your own, et cetera.
your mileage from there varies ... if you learn better via non-IGE trial and error, that's cool, but simply taking off the pressure of potential hours wasted by bullshit luck is valuable beyond anything else imo.
I wish I had known about IGE prior to getting the game and playing it for 2-3 years, I could have figured it all out much faster with it.
For everyone else just looking to make sure their playthroughs are never wasted when starting up Civ 5 ... it's like training wheels for learning how to ride a bike.
>>338077789
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=419351
>>338078110
you learn to play civ by playing on lower difficulties not using cheats dumbass
>>338077904
>2 wine
2OP. Restart.
>>338078035
>Building your GS
How's Settler difficulty going?
>>338078298
yes, but some people want to learn faster, and there's no better way otherwise.
prestige-wise, it's whatever, you can claim you never used cheats and make yourself feels good man, but there's no cookie for learning the hard way.
>>338078425
I played that on Emperor. You're really struggling to find a way to mock people.
>>338022538
why would warmongers like the only military rivals they have
>>338078440
>>338078110
>not just having fun
after king, the AI just cheats.
>>338078440
theres nothing you can learn with cheats that you can't learn by playing on prince
are you retarded
>>338078587
Emperor is Easy. Immortal is medium. Deity is Hard.
>>338078440
Why would you need to cheat? I got to immortal at least and i didn´t even play that many games. And you can learn Deity without cheats just fine even though i often get destroyed in it (but thats just lack of exp.).
>>338078713
are you retarded, anon?
this isn't promo'ing a mod for people who know what they're doing, and you know 4channers are so dumb that they can't win on Settler.
and maybe if they're that dumb they probably shouldn't be playing Civ to start, but if you want to learn fast, it's a good tool to show you shit you wouldn't otherwise see, hence speeding up the learning process by not throwing away tons of time per early hours put into Civ.
>>338078842
>Emperor is Easy.
Once you learn all the ways to cheese the AI, yes. Even Deity can be considered easy if you know about bribing and play someone like the Maya.
>>338066794
Ive logged 1500 hours multiplayer and single, also have beaten diety as multiple civs on pangea maps.
Top tier
Mongolia keshiks
Arab camel archers
Aryssia siege towers
Hun Battering ram
Usa b17
England longbows
Zulu impi
China crossbows
All the others are only okay. They aren't game breaking or overly strong. The ones above have one or more of the following qualities
>can attack more than once per turn
>have extra attack range
>can move after attacking
>have a significant strength bonus for the era
A special note goes to both the shoeshone units. Pathfinders can upgrade directly to composites and crossbows super early, without researching the techs with ruins, and their calvary is extremely good on defense because of extra movement.
>>338079152
the AI doesn't even attack you on settler, a 5 year old could beat it, but i suppose you can't
>>338079212
I stopped cheesing the AI ages ago because it ruined the experience. I still can't imagine losing on Emperor.
>>338079212
only diety and maybe immortal if you're unlucky require cheese. you can fulfill any win condition on emperor just by have the right build order
>>338079308
>a 5 year old could beat it
Bitch I had beaten Battletoads when I was 7. The proper term is "a 60 year old could beat it"
>>338075879
Fuck yea, based Suleiman
>>338077012
Chancellors are presidents in Germany.
>>338078110
If you want to get good, play multiplayer against people that are good. They will absolutely crush you, and only by seeing what they do will you git gud.
The AI plays exactly the same at all difficulties above prince, and their war movements make them laughably easy to beat at any level. The major difference is how far ahead they start from you. On diety they are an entire era ahead of you in tech.
>>338079308
correct on AI disabled for attacking, but there are plenty of idiots like yourself who can't into reading comprehension, so odds are you're just shit-posting and wasting your time on me like you probably do in Civ.
>>338079663
again, this is about learning faster, not slamming your head into a wall repeatedly
>>338072565
It probably has nothing to do with your actions and everything to do with your progress. The Germans in this case are trying to impede you without committing suicide in the process. The AI will gang up on whomever is winning in hopes of surpassing them. Many "irrational" diplomacy results come from the AI finally deciding that it needs to be more proactive in dealing with you or others.
>>338079062
>snakes can now be cute
What is going on with this world?
>>338072565
the AI is trying to win too. it usually has 1 'chosen son' that it favors. a few will directly harass you with war, land grabbing, etc and are barely above barbarian tactics. and the rest are sheep for the chosen son to consume to get stronger.
you'll typically see the chosen son civ take 1 or 2 other capitals relatively early
>>338075678
Who would you pick over Boudicca?
>>338079393
>>338079396
>you can fulfill any win condition on emperor just by have the right build order
You can win the game on deity just depending on your starting location. Really the difficulty in Civ games is pointless. Its not a measurement of how hard the game is, but how long it takes to overtake the AI in science and gold growth. On Emperor, you can pass the AI in the Medieval era. On Immortal and Deity, it takes the Renaissance or Modern era. And you have to focus more on expansion and military than usual.
That's literally it.
>>338080195
There are two Brennuses worth picking.
>>338080214
>You can win the game on deity just depending on your starting location
Confirmed for having never won Deity. The 1% exception is no rule.
>>338080195
Brian Boru
>>338079784
If you can beat prince, you can beat diety. The ai plays exactly the same. If you're cheating to catch up in tech then you are basically playing at prince level, and not learning anything.
Again, the AI plays exactly the same. The biggest difference in difficulty is how far ahead they start.
>>338071653
>implying it was a spelling mistake
>>338045414
>trusting Montezuma
OOO SHAKA
>>338075678
Boudicca and Wu Zentian are the best civs with female leaders.
>>338079645
Nowadays chancellor is comparable to the president in Murica but at Bismarck´s time there was still a german Kaiser (so still a monarchy). Granted that Kaiser didn´t have as much power as back in the day of absolutism he still had a big impact on politics. William II also fired Bismarck after they had a falling out with each other.
The reason Bismarck is considered a "leader" is because he was instrumental in creating the german "Bund/Reich".
>>338080646
They should have made Boudicca thicker.
>>338080646
The Celts are a very meh Civ. nothing special about them except a 99% chance to get first pantheon
China is better, but only shines on continents/pangea, and only if you actually use great generals. Chu No Ku are god tier units, and Paper Maker is amongst the most powerful buildings in the game
>>338077773
You said stadtholder literally means the head of state. It doesn't, give me a source where the word "stad" is used to describe an entire country in dutch.
>>338080924
The chinks are one of my favorites
>>338080425
you're not telling anyone who's playing it for the first time ever anything that they wouldn't learn faster via IGE.
and while you're right about how the game sets up difficulty, it's more about getting to that point faster via not wasting games early on where you didn't realize stupidly-easy signs like "hey, I wonder why all those rival's units are showing up near my border" and shit like that.
in other words, I didn't have IGE to learn faster, I did it the hard way, and looking back, I wish I had discovered IGE because it would have sped up my ability to dominate the game faster than doing it purely through the school of hard knocks.
it's not about cheating or any other bullshit, it's about speeding up the learning curve for fresh players.
and obvs once you know what you're doing with the basics, there's no need for IGE. but until that point, it's not a bad fall-back to make sure you're not an hour or two into a game and suddenly you have to restart because insert every fucking thing that can go wrong happening here.
seriously, use IGE if completely fresh to Civ, worry about 'get gud' later, and of course, nobody using IGE is 'gud' if they're still using it past the first handful of games played.
>>338080924
Celts are probably the best civ from gnk. The religion bonus is not to be underestimated. The production and gold you can get are vital to making an unstoppable machine. The spearmen upgrade can guarentee you a religion by turn 40 on quick and they can pillage and move in the same turn for free healing and attacking
>>338081045
"Stadt" means "city. "Staat" means "country". That´s in german but i guess "stadtholder" in dutch is closer to "statthalter" in german who is tasked with administration for a certain province. He´s still serving under someone higher than him though (usually).
>>338081280
are you shilling or something
you dont learn anything by cheating and avoiding the consequences of your mistakes
thats why you're not allowed to do it on exams
>>338080353
>Confirmed for having never won Deity.
Please just stop making stupid assumptions.
>>338081547
if i was shilling i'd be copy-pasta-spamming information from promo sites left and right, which I'm not
>you dont learn anything by cheating and avoiding the consequences of your mistakes
you're arguing prestige vs. learning as fast as possible with every resource available like strategy guides and helpful mod tools like IGE, apples and oranges
when you got the basics and aren't IGE+only playing on Settler-Chieftain, then progress to more challenge, otherwise you're just taking longer to get to the same point down the line
>>338081686
exactly
>>338082125
you almost have a point, but thats what reloading savegames is for, if you cheat you alter the game into a state that it would never be in naturally and thus learn nothing
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