DENUVO V2 PROVEN UNCRACKABLE
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>denial
>anger
>bargaining
>depression
>acceptance
Which stage of grief are you in right now?
>>338011057
smugness because I have a job
Wheres your proof and sources?
>>338011116
>spending money on ones and zeros
60 is only a lot of money to someone under 18, which is most of /v/.
d-delete this thread
>>338011057
acceptance that denuvo has nothing worth pirating
I just wait for steam sales
>>338011432
>home front 2
>deus ex MD
>Hitman
>Rise of tomb raider
>far cry primal
>doom
How are those grapes, pcfat?
>Which stage of grief are you in right now?
patience
>>338011057
You are fucking annoying
>>338011531
I still see no game worth pirating
>>338011139
Guess he's in denial.It's a long way down, anon-kun.
>>338011531
>far cry primal
You alright, anon?
>>338011268
>money is also ones and zeroes just printed onto paper
>your entire life is ones and zeroes and endless series of yes or no questions that you do subconsciously
indifferent, only AAA trash publishers use it so nothing of value will be lost when they happen to fall into license oblivion that's neither purchasable or piratable few years later
>image.jpg
Wasn't the one who originally had Denvuo made was Sony? Why does Sony care about saving PC gaming?
>>338011531
>homefront
>Hitman™
>far cry primal
>>338011116
This.
>>338011268
> not having money to spend on one's and zeros
>>338011531
is primal any good?
I only see 2 maybe 3 games on that list worth playing
>>338011057
I'm at the pondering stage
pondering what you'll go back to doing when it's fully cracked like everything else. barneypost? spam soc about your wife's son?
>no source
neo-/v/ has gone from openly linking neogaf to expecting us to check neogaf ourselves
this is amazing
>>338011648
Denial are we?
>>338011648
G
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P
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Elite Cracker here
Denuvo is uncrackable. I am source.
I'm not a pirate anymore so whatever.
I just hope one day in the future like 5-10 years from now it'll be crackable.
I don't care about it right now, I just don't want games to be locked away behind some bullshit when the developer has given up support on them.
>>338011057
I've never pirated games only music. I played consoles until I was old enough to get a job in which to buy my own proper gaming platform, and the games bought from DRMSteam and ProGOG never seemed expensive enough to bother pirating
So yeah, good for Denovu...except for the modding part, which is definitely going to evolve into paid mods one day, for sure, and it'll probably be the last blow to the gaming industry before I find a new "hobby"
>>338011805
More like killing it, denuvo is making sure PC game sales go down so people buy ps4 instead
It's working
>>338011907
grapes are poison to canines and cats
your story is about laughing at something looking at a suicide method and deciding not to climb a tree for it
>>338012001
>except for the modding part
Denuvo doesn't stop mods from being made. Educate yourself swine.
The denuvo will fall, when 64dbg'll get into some workable state.
But that wont be soon, sadly.
>>338012015
LMAO I guess thats why MGSV sold millions on PC right? Dumb Piratefag
There are so many ways to get free or dirt cheap games, piracy was simply the most convenient. I have 5 Denuvo games on my Steam account and I only paid for one of them, and it was $3 with a RU VPN
Also that's complete nonsense, Denuvo is crackable, even the latest revisions. A crack can be made for a specific build of PC as we speak. The problem is that a Denuvo-protected game executable has hundreds, possibly even thousands of different variations for each PC spec as part of the anti-tamper, that they would all need to be cracked for a scene distribution to be possible, which isn't at all realistic. The more we start to understand about denuvo, however, the more likely we will be able to overcome this. It's a matter of when rather than if, and it will take a while but denuvo will fall like all the others
This isn't a war that can be won, it is a war that must continually be waged with bigger warfare and more draconian and anti-consumer devices. Eventually the consumers themselves will stand up and say no and that'll be the end of it. At the end of the day, Denuvo isn't converting pirates to buyfags, which renders the entire experiment meaningless
>>338012015
>More like killing it, denuvo is making sure PC game sales go down so people buy ps4 instead
>>338012146
The only reason I bought MGS V was because I was able to pirate it beforehand.
Didn't I see a thread that said Doom was cracked? Or was that trollin? Or was Doom not using Denuvo?
>>338011531
>deus ex MD
>Hitman
>doom
Those are the only video games among the shit you posted, f a m
>>338012265
>He doesn't like the new Tomb Raider series
Confirmed for shittiest of tastes.
>>338012253
Was trolling, Doom has denuvo.
>>338011531
>homefront 2
They're actually making a second one? Fucking why? The first was forgotten almost immediately.
>>338012328
>He likes constant QTEs, setpieces and no actual Tomb Raiding
You're the one with the shittiest taste.
>>338012328
>Does like the new Tomb Raider series
Confirmed for shittiest of tastes.
>>338012353
Not even normalfags like it.
>>338011057
>white knight cuck defending a whore who infected half a town
top kek
>>338011531
> Rise of the Tomb Raider
More like Rise of the Electra Complex.
Where is the source, OP.
>d-dark souls will h-have denuvo!!!
>>338011057
It's crackable but we need a debugger, and that shit is still in development.
The only game I have a passing interest in is Doom, but only out of curiosity's sake.
If I can't pirate it then I'm not playing. End of story. 60 dollars is fucking ridiculous for a single player Bethesda PC game.
>inb4 steam sales (lol jewthesda @ lowering the price to reasonable in my lifetime)
Doom is the first denuvo game worth playing and I got it off a key site
>amount of money denuvo publishers have made off me: 0
>amount of money denuvo publishers have spent trying to convert me: millions
How long do you seriously think this is going to last? 3DM is going to release all the cracks early next year when the annuals start rolling out that sales are actually down, because surprise, you can't make pirates pay for things. Most pirates are dirt poor Europeans anyway, who couldn't buy a game if they wanted to
>>338012810
Doom has multiplayer though.
Good, very good, now that the evil of piracy is finished, who are they going to blame for poor sales? "Entitled" gamers that actually want quality games and not just the last triple A garbage that they managed to shit out?
Once the evil of piracy is done for, some devs will have to accept that some games dont sell because of evil pirates, they dont sell because they are pure shit.
>>338012159
Why don't people just teach others to crack for their spec of PC then. Is it hard to make a crack? Does it require a lot of work, Or could any idiot pick it up?
>>338011685
actually, life is ones, zeroes, AND ones & zeroes simultaneously.
>>338011268
you only pay for ones you retard
zeros are free
>>338012898
There are a million things they will blame way, WAY, before their own incompetence.
>>338012870
To put it lightly, it's not good enough at all to inflate the price that high.
>>338012810
I never buy this type of logic.
You just said 60 dollars is ridiculous for SP. SO then why should you be able to pirate it. Its clear you have no intention of buying it even if you where to complete the game.
While your lost sale does not hurt the game company in any way, The same can be said for the game company in the same regard. You not being able to play the game does not hurt them either because you never had an intention to buy to begin with.
>>338011057
anon, i know you love shilling drm and i guess that's neat, but drm hasn't mattered for literally YEARS since the advent of steam sales and even less so after g2a went online (inb4 muh boogeyman russian mafia human trafficking supporting website) so why you continually makes these threads is really strange. you should really play video games instead, have a nice day.
>>338012750
x64dbg is good enough
>>338012819
You know keysites get their keys legit, right? So, yes, they made money off from you. Moron.
>>338011057
I wanna fuck that allegory of a game!
>>338012810
How the hell are they not worth the 60 dollar tag? I am STILL playing FONV to this day. And this is ID tech, you dumb homo.
>>338011531
I wouldnt event play those games for free if given the chance.
Holy fuck PC users have such bad taste in video games and its mostly becvause they only get access to multiplat AAA's, how pitiful.
>>338011057
What stage is apathy? I've at whatever stage that is since 2006.
Goddammit Denovu shills this is like the third thread in 12 hours. Stop it. Or at least be a bit more suave with your shilling. CDPR fans have made reverse-shilling into an art.
>>338011057
Nothing is uncrackable. That's computer security 101.
>>338012074
It does stop you from modding the .exe, so yes, it stops you from modding. Not all modding, but some.
I legit don't see how denuvo is a bad thing, aside from the fact it fucks with mods. I'm not a super autistic buy fag, like I've downloaded nd pirated shit before, but if I can't? I do without.
How is this so fucking hard? If you can't or dont want to pay, pirate I guess, but you really should pay. If you can't pirate, save your money or do without. It isn't complicated
>>338011531
>shit
>not even out
>always online
>shit
>shit
>shit
>pcfat
>piracy on [CURRENT GEN] console that is not piiu
...
>>338013489
If you take your logic further, then those poor fags who pirate will not buy the game.
Then what is the function of the DRM, except be another hitch for legitimate, paying consumers? Since those "poorfags" will just have to "do without" as you claim, then this will not give them more sales.
>>338011685
Big Boss go to sleep.
>>338011057
none because I have money and the common sense to know a bad game when I see one, and not a penniless piratefag who uses a "muh try before you buy" self entitlement rationalisation.
When are we going to see a source?
>>338013216
>Its clear you have no intention of buying a 60 dollar game even if you where to complete the game.
ftfy
>SO then why should you be able to pirate it.
Because I can and fuck you
>>338013312
>FONV
>An Obsidian (not Bethesda) game
>RPG with branching paths, open world, and sidequests
vs
>linear shooter with a short campaign
Yeah I'll really get my money's worth with this one
>>338013015
It's not as easy as it sounds. Basically the executables are largely empty and are populated with stubs, the stubs are stored on the server. When you run your game, you connect to denuvo servers which patch into memory code that is encrypted for your specific build, based on some combination of your components. The entire thing is run on a virtual machine and encrypted making it difficult to debug, but it can be done.
All of this requires someone who actually knows what they're doing is on the target machine, which is what's not possible.
And the end result is a "crack" that fools denuvo rather than removes it. Eventually denuvo should be able to be removed entirely but it'll take time. GTAV for instance was cracked originally with a social club emulator, and it wasn't until over a year later that Arxan (the antitamper) was actually fully removed from the code. Just happened a few weeks ago actually
Progress tends to happen exponentially so I think there are just some key discoveries to be made and it will all come crashing down. After that point they will be able to modify it but the more it is based on the existing ideology, the easier it will be to crack. They'll have to go entirely back to the drawing board and it'll be over for Denuvo because some new shit will be ready and waiting to replace it
>>338013489
It's not just like it's fucking with the shitty mods like fetish-fuel Skyrim titty mods, but effectively going to prevent a lot of modification for the sake of compatibility in the future, we're going to see games abandoned by their devs and no longer working on future OS's because the devs disbanded or don't care enough to patch out a problem and have also left this shitty anti-consumer anti-tampering bullshit all over their game keeping anyone from putting it back together
>>338013626
>If you take your logic further, then those poor fags who pirate will not buy the game.
...yes?
>Then what is the function?
To prevent you from playing the gsme unless you pay for it?
I'm not seeing the dichotomy here. They don't want people who didn't pay for their game to play their game. It may be possible to debate whether or not what they spend in security matches what they make in piracy converted to sales, but it does help maintain existing sales by preventing buyers from mutating into pirates, even if not vice versa
>>338012001
A toast to you good sir
>>338011685
And get this... This guy's NAME is Zero!
I haven't even played on pc for a couple of years now, and when I did I've bought everything since like 2010, but why the fuck are people suddenly supporting DRM? I hate it more now that I buy games than I ever did when I pirated.
>>338011531
>far cry primal
>home front 2
Seriouisly?
>>338013489
Then how come 2 of the best selling PC games in 2015 [Witcher 3 and Fallout 4] did not use Denuvo?
Obviously it does not help profits, short or long term.
>>338012381
>>338012393
I didn't realize /v/ hated women this much.
>t-they a-re just shit games
>I-i don't w-want them anyway
I
LOL
EVERYTIME
>>338011057
SHILLS GO HOME
Why is Neo/v/ filled with daily cancerous circlejerk threads by shitty game devs gobbling up Denuvo's shit and acting infuriated at pirates who didn't want to pay $60 for their glorified walking simulator on Steam Early Access and talking about how soon they won't be able to pirate anything at all
>>338013815
But they are not gaining money from doing this, so why do it at all?
The people might play their game and never buy it, or just never buy it. I'm failing to see how one gains money in this scenario
I dunno, what stage do cdkeys/sales fall into?
>>338013981
>buttmad
>>338013981
To make you mad, idiot. Congradulations, they win.
I sup endlessly upon the tears of people crying that they need to ~try before you buy~ and can't because of DRM software. Game companies are not fucking a patreon, you do not pay for something to "show your support" afterwards you pay in exchange for what they created in the first place like everyone else. You are not special.
In the endless game of DRM cat and mouse, eventually pirates will win but please don't ever sit upon a fucking moral high ground as if some great injustice occurred that you can't get free shit.
I guess I'm no saint upon my pile of legally available torrented anime, though.
>>338011057
The stage that really wants to see what these people are going to blame bad sales on once it's proven that piracy literally does nothing to their sales.
>>338013850
I've seen this picture a few times. Is that guys head really big, or is it just the angle and that the hat is too small.
>>338011531
I dont even pirate shit except the asscreeds but that list... really anon?
>>338011268
According to the holographic principle, everything in the observable universe is ones and zeroes.
>>338014079
I guess you think libraries should not exist, neither should Masterpiece Theatre on PBS, neither should food samples?
And you also think that game companies haven't banked on preorders and put out a game that was entirely awful?
>torrents another form of entertainment
opinion discarded
>>338014079
DRM is in some ways is a service to the consumer. If you spent $60 for a game, then someone else got it for free off a torrent site, you would feel a little upset that you dropped so much when you could have gotten it for free.
If a game can't be pirated, then people will be more inclined to drop money on a game they want.
>>338014079
anime is expensive still and the choices of not shonen shit is still on the end.
>denuvo comes out
>"it's uncrackable!"
>gets cracked
>denuvo v2 comes out
>"it's uncrackable!"
>gets cracked
>3dm announces a break from cracking for no apparent reason
>denuvo v3 comes out
>"it's uncrackable!"
i think i'll just wait for the deal with 3dm to expire
>>338014131
gamers are dead
why else aren't there any gamers to buy my plate of shit?
>Less consumer options
>CELEBRATIONS!
How can an anonymous site celebrate the corporate dick?
>>338014297
Please make a comparison to something digital. All physical comparisons break down due to unlimited copying.
>>338012074
>Denuvo doesn't stop mods from being made.
like the JUST 3 multiplayer mod which is in NEVER EVER stage even with devs support because denuvo gets in the way?
>>338014304
>DRM is a disservice to the consumer
ftfy
>>338014426
Because that is where the games come from. Other wise you want to suck on his cock?
>>338014304
Go home shill
>>338014371
denuvo v2 still isn't cracked
hitman/far cry primal use v2 and they aren't cracked. just cause 3 released almost 6 months ago and it isn't cracked.
>tfw games and the community typically dies of really fast nowadays so you HAVE to buy it early or miss out on decent amounts of active players
>>338014371
what deal
So scenefags be all
>it's not about piracy its about the street cred yo
Then something that's actually difficult comes along and they're all
>lol pirates we don't owe you anything who do you think we are
And the chinks that actually crack everything are all
>ching pong ting ting tong (at this level of effort we can just work for the government)
Everyone focuses on the pirates being btfo, but for me the scene kiddies stuck with blatant limp dicks is the real funny thing.
>>338011057
>Proven
[Citation needed]
>>338014503
Indies never have MP so they are never worth buying.
>>338014542
Only for shit games.
Battlefield 4, cs:go, and many other my games are going strong.
>>338014079
Piracy has two sides to it, most of the time is not justified, but in some cases, like bioware taking content from the original M3 game before launch and later selling as a full dlc for $10...well lets just say I will not cry for any sale they lost.
Some times I get really upset when people crack a good game five hours after release, some devs actually try to make good games and they do deserve to not get fucked over by piracy.
>>338014079
>don't ever sit upon a fucking moral high ground as if some great injustice occurred that you can't get free shit.
How about I sit upon the moral high ground that DRM is damaging to the playing experience paying customer.
You can't play the physical version of Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory on PC on any OS after XP, because the DRM is fucking terrible and thinks the game is pirated on any modern OS.
Good fucking luck playing GTAIV on PC now that GFWL is dead. Some people get lucky and work their way around that shit. Others like myself are unable to play the game they paid money for.
Also, a disclaimer. In the 8 years since I got a proper paying job, I've pirated exactly 1 game and purchased over 300. The game I pirated was AC Black Flag.
>>338011057
Instead of pirates, are they going to start dragging up fucking gamergate for lost sales now?
>Waa they're inciting people to not buy our games! All bad reviews are gamergate harassment, remove them now!
>>338011057
>be part of the master race
>enjoying all the free games I want
>suddenly Denuvo
>haven't been able to play any good game since they all have Denuvo
It's not fair! I wasted all my money an indie garbage box when I could have got a PS4 with amazing exclusives. I hate Denuvo!
Love seeing you fucking pirates rage like this. GET A FUCKING JOB.
>>338011057
I don't pirate.
>>338013815
The only things that matters in a big world is money. Noone cares about your concept of justice. It has been proven for a while now, that pirating doesnt lower the game's sales, just as DRM doesnt raise it. It doesnt bring big companies any money, but make them loose it rather, buying this expensive DRM protections. There's some evidence that it's the pirates, who raise sales (As Game of Thrones proclaims), but that is a shady path to go in the argument.
I am a pirate. I dont really play a lot of moden games, i dont like assassin creeds and Call of dutys. I rather prefer small, creative indie games, old games, roguelikes. But it happens sometimes, that i play an AAA game that i like. Then i buy it. I bought every single game that i really liked. There's Disonored and Fallout NV and Guilty Gear Xrd in my library. I thought of buying Doom, it looks kinda fun, but i wont, just until i'll play the cracked version (which is, probably, won be soon). I am not sure, if Doom is that good of a game, a lot of people liked Fallout 4 just as well, and i found it horrible. So, i will wait.
So, the conclusion. MRAA loses sales and gains their pride for it. It is a matter of time, when people'll understand, how good of a deal that really is.
>>338014672
Yes anon, the best games ever made are those that sell the most.
>>338014557
>And the chinks that actually crack everything are all
>>ching pong ting ting tong (at this level of effort we can just work for the government)
on chinese forums the most popular theory is that they got paid to do nothing, which isn't unlikely at all given how they announced "no cracking for a year" shortly after
>>338014679
>Fucked over by piracy
There are still no reliable sources that tell the effects of piracy on games.
>>338014756
Huh? Someone stated that you MUST buy games on release or else they die. But I listed 2 games that are a few years old with strong player bases that of high quality.
>>338014736
If you read the thread, not only pirates are against DRM.
I pirate all my shit on PC because I'm not a cuck who's going to pay physical money for a literal renting licenses and I don't give a shit about Denuvo.
Every single game I had interest in ended up cracked sooner or later.
>>338011057
No game I've wanted to pirate has Denuvo so it doesn't really affect me.
>>338014835
But there are for other media, like music, that show piracy correlates with lost revenue.
>>338014845
Well, yes, you MUST buy games or else they die. That doesnt mean you cant pirate it first.
>>338014878
SHUT THE FUCK UP literally only pirates would EVER be against it!!
>>338014079
>Game companies are not fucking a patreon, you do not pay for something to "show your support" afterwards you pay in exchange for what they created in the first place like everyone else.
I'm going to refund 10 purchases after playing for 2 hours just to show you how wrong you are
Video games *ARE* a charity. We need to accept this so we can move past it and develop consumer-friendly policies that make people feel good about supporting those who make things they like, rather than like scum of the Earth who would sooner "steal" the games if they could.
It's so fucking backwards right now it's sickening.
>>338014432
Witcher 3 and Fallout 4, as I stated before earlier in the thread, were without Denuvo. Both far outsold at the beginning and over time any Denuvo games.
Who is this DRM helping?
No one.
>>338014724
See OP? This is a step in the right direction of how to make a proper disguised shill post.
>>338015004
If they had denuvo they would sell more.
>>338014928
Can you show any proof of that. The "lost revenue" sound like a really shady concept. In my country (Russia) the rightholders count "lost revenue" just as "Lets see how many people torrented the thing, and imagine, that all of them would buy it"
>>338014845
There are exceptions, like TF2, DOTA, CS:GO and BF 4 along others.
Any attempt to make a game without AAA marketing die off quickly. Even Evolve didn't manage WITH it.
>>338014897
and you don't care about the industry and that is why they are double and tripple dipping on people. Because you found a way around paying. Doesn't mean Buzz from work is going to bother to pirate. He is going to buy the 120 dollar edition of cod or starwars battlefront and be happy. You pirating does nothing. Since it doesn't affect sales like so many people have been parotting. So in all your point is moot and worthless. Congrats on doing fuck and all.
>>338014928
Provide sources. I've read many studies that show piracy in some cases actually increases revenue.
Let's hear what someone from another media form thinks of piracy. Writer and cool guy, Neil Gaiman:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI
>>338014928
There's a good TED talk about music piracy. It's called something like "The one billion dollar Ipod" or such.
It's such fucking hyperbole it hurts.
>>338015071
They also consider used game sales a net loss.
Who makes these threads
No seriously, come on now
>D-denuvo is uncrackable, guys!!!
>all the games that use it are shit anyway
>DENUVO v2 IS UNCRACKABLE!
Guess what, shill? If I can't download a game for free, I'm just not going to play it. You're not going to magically get my money because you put Denuvo on your garbage.
>>338013216
He's the customer, retard.
>people not buying games doesn't hurt the company!
lol
>>338015184
Who? The ones who get all the (you)'s !
Don't act surprised.
>>338013206
>judging a singleplayer game
>with a modding kit
>by its multiplayer beta
hehehehehheheehhee
>>338015083
it works for 2nd world nations and also it is very different when it comes to print. Things like books often go out of print. Faster than you think. While a game if it is popular has more of a chance of being carried. It just changed recently with e-books but not everything is available for download.
>>338014297
>I guess you think libraries should not exist, neither should Masterpiece Theatre on PBS, neither should food samples?
That's what demos are for, but for whatever reason developers seem to have abandoned to concept. I don't think demos or samples are a necessarily poor idea. My issue there is people copying a "sample", consuming the entire thing, then proceeding to say "It's n-not like I enjoyed it or anything" and not giving the people who made it fuckall.
>And you also think that game companies haven't banked on preorders and put out a game that was entirely awful?
Totally true, I guess. Too bad demos are not a thing anymore. I wonder why they stopped releasing them. Not to mention the issue of demos being full of front-loaded high quality content while the actual game is
>torrents another form of entertainment
>opinion discarded
I should probably at least pay for one of the streaming sites.
>>338014716
Yeah. It can fuck over people wanting to play games that use now defunct online DRM. I had to crack my paid copy of Bulletstorm after GFWL told me to eat shit for trying to log in. Key difference here: I paid for it first. Imagine the disaster if Steam ever went down for good with no recourse or backup. Hopefully nothing like GFWL ever happens again. (Looking at you, currently awful Windows 10 store.)
Trolling and shitposting aside, what about that one rumour that denuvo fucked up performance for some games? Is it true?
>4 hours
>still no source from OP
why even speak if you're just going to call yourself retarded
>>338015328
Well it's basically constantly hogging cpu cycles and constantly reading/writing to the hard drive.
>>338015051
But that is a logical fallacy. Shouldn't those Denuvo games have sold more?
Many had much more hype than Witcher 3, so you can't use hype and exposure as an excuse either.
>>338011648
>"I d-don't want to p-play those games anyway"
Fucking BTFO
>>338015421
There have been shady screenshots of both sides of this argument I've chosen not to believe it for now.
If this was true it would be rather EASY to prove from all the hundreds of thousands of customers that bought a DENUVO game. However, there isn't.
>>338015075
Tell that to Fallout: New Vegas, as it has outsold Fallout 3 over time.
There are slews of other games too.
>>338015328
Despite a lot of attention to the problem, it is still not confirmed. That's the good proof towards "No, Denuvo doesnt affect perfomance"
>>338015328
>runs entire game and a side program in an emulator
>constantly checks in with a server thousands of miles away from you with a large file generated based uniquely on your specific computer and everything that makes it unique
What do you think?
>>338011980
The dev should always decide what happens to their game
>>338011531
The only one of those I have some interest in playing is Ride of the Tomb Raider, because I must look at THAT ASS. Maybe Doom when it's dirt cheap.
Kind of a relief that DaS3 didn't use it.
>>338015615
here is the main issue with pirating. Quality of the rip or something is at best really good to shit. That is why paying for something can be better than pirating. Like pirated e-book are shit and a lot of pirated music is shit unless you hunt down lossless copies.
>a new game is out, sounds interesting
>the year is 2016, there is no demo
>it's impossible to go to youtube to watch some gameplay witthout an "related video" something like "FINAL BOSS [name of a character] AND ENDING HD"
>can't watch the video or the stream itself without some retarded "HEY SUP EVERYBODY WELCOME TO MCFAGET69, HEAR MY 5 MINUTES INTRO OF DOING NOTHING THEN LISTEN TO MY SWEAR EVERY 10 SECONDS"
>just pirate it to test it
>if I like it, I'll buy it, because of my education and morale
>if I don't like it, I don't buy it
>if there's a denuvo, it's a AAA game that has all the action packed in the first 5 hours of the game, thus rending impossible a refund
it's easy
>>338015340
Not OP, but I found this linked on the Wikipedia page: http://www.polygon.com/2016/1/9/10741274/just-cause-3-crack-pc-3gm-denuvo
More like the lead group of crackers giving up than it being uncrackable. 5 months after release without a crack would be great even if they suddenly cracked it. The question is less of "if" and more "when" with game cracks. Most games sales happen in the first few weeks anyways, so if they are safe then they are golden.
>>338015752
This is false. If something exists with high quality, it can be pirated at that high quality. The only exceptions are things people don't care enough about.
>>338012146
No denuvo game has broke a million sales
>>338015752
you are talking out of your ass lmao
>>338014079
unfortunately like anime some video game publishers still enforce region locks, a year ago I wouldn't have been able to buy most SEGA games including Total War and Valkyria Chronicles
>>338015328
IIRC that one was mainly due to the game or something, at least, I haven't encountered anything like that with the games I have
>>338014542
Do people still play older versions of CoD, by the way? I stopped playing the series when they cut out dedicated servers and made multiplayer a piece of shit consolized version. Did they ever fix that?
>>338015775
here is the truthful version.
>download everything
> play about a handful of the games
>maybe play 1 game and finish it.
>buy even more games and maybe play 10 min of it.
>Buy even more games at full price,
>buy bundles.
>is unhappy
>the void will never be filled.
>>338015752
>no online multiplayer (or playing with other faggots on hamachi)
>no easy patches (or none at all)
>bugs/glitches introduced by cracks
>annoying shout out trainers/alterations
>resampled movie files etc
>viruses
Video games have all the same problems, which is why I buy the games that I actually think are worth it
Reminder:
These threads are made by denuvo marketers who make money per post recognized by their systems. The more you reply without saging the more money they make.
dont reply, just report and hide.
>>338015919
nice try, but it's false
>>338011057
Indifference.
>>338015275
>Giving the people who made it fuck-all
Paying does not do this either. Publishers =/= developers, the music industry has argued this as well with record companies =/= musicians. The publisher benefits in most AAA cases [at least with EA and Ubisoft they do], not the developer. Sometimes there is downright abuse of the developer, as Oddworld's creator has described, and the person who wrote this
http://ea-spouse.livejournal.com/274.html
>inb4 live journal
Fucking read it
>>338012253
Doom is already in pirating sites, ignore the denuvo marketers.
>>338015615
So he explains how you can buy a song and still have it even if the DRM goes down, but then claims that you still shouldn't pay for it?
>>338015837
even then the way you pirate and where it comes from and how and who and everything is out of your hands and you are at the mercy of the person that is pirating it to release. And if the copy of let say of a movie that has been out of print for decades and only had a vhs release you bet the official release is going to be the best version they can find and it will have extras.
>>338015275
>Key difference here: I paid for it first.
And it made no fucking difference, making your argument pointless. DRM is just an excuse to keep making bad games without losing sales. The best PC games ever made don't have DRM, you know why? Because people will pay money for good games. Retards like you will also pay money for shitty games stuffed up the ass with anti-consumer restrictions, so they don't need to make good games.
>playing new games
why would anyone do that?
>>338012409
Let's be honest here, there is no fucking way North Korea could occupy the USA.
The whole premise is fucking stupid. It wants so badly to be red dawn but there isn't a cold war and they don't want to offend the Russian market so who is the acceptable boogeyman that can take it's place?
North Korea, but it makes no fucking sense logistically.
>>338015881
Capcom is pretty bad about that too in asia.
>>338016063
Why would you pay to be forced into breaking the law a few years down the line when you could break the law for free?
>>338015752
Finding lossless audio is pretty damn easy for pretty much everything you might wanna download, though. Unless it's some real old shit, in which case it's likely that you won't find lossless versions by spending money, either.
>>338016042
Ya and the publishers hire devs to make new games. Its a cycle.
>>338015836
I still refuse to believe noone craked it just so they could wave their dicks around if for nothing else. And don't give me the uncrackable bullshit, if people can break into secured goverment computers, they sure as hell can crack some shitty vidya DRM. I guess there is something to the rumors about the scene being getting paid.
>>338016074
So you are cherry picking and then acting as if these exceptions prove the trend wrong?
thanks to Denuvo i can finally go back to play old games and git gud
>>338015919
I am guilty of this, some times I buy games I will never play because they look cool, and that gaping void inside my soul is temporarily filled when I get those games in the mail.
Sometimes buying something is more interesting than using the damn thing.
>>338016091
>Let's be honest here, there is no fucking way North Korea could occupy the USA.
I heard the devs wanted it to be China, but they were told to change it because having the villain be China could hurt Chinese sales.
>>338015995
That comic is highly inaccurate, DRM exists for the well being of both costumers and intellectual property owners, and because we love our costumers
>>338016063
He's saying if you try to circumvent DRM on something you've purchased, which you're likely to have to do at some point because of getting a new computer or operating system or losing access to an account or what not, it's illegal, so if in either case it ends up being illegal, you may as well do what is more convenient from the start.
DRM is anti-consumer. There is no escaping this reality.
>>338015919
I've been going through my backlog recently after being like that for a while. It's a nice sensation.
Just today I cleared REmake. It plays like absolute ass and the limited inventory makes it a backtracking fest, but I managed to enjoy it anyway. Things are looking up.
>>338015253
What fucking modding kit? There's a basic level editor. That's it.
You've got a game with a mediocre multiplayer and a 15 hour single player experience + what will equate to a landfill of same-y maps with pre-set assets. Is this supposed to convince me to fork over my money?
>>338011057
in craking stage
>>338016335
I know this is the bait, but how exactly DRM helps customers?
>>338016335
>>338016217
But you are still at the mercy of the pirate. They could do all sorts of things, include bit coin miners etc. You have no freedom you are either at the mercy of pirates who will try to infect your system or at the mercy of the publishers.
>>338016335
>If everyone would just buy our shit, we could even lower our prices! Everyone benefits!
>prices do nothing but rise
>content is cut and sold as DLC
>>338015275
>That's what demos are for, but for whatever reason developers seem to have abandoned to concept
They have abandoned it because they found out that releasing demos lowers sales. People play the demo, realize the game is nowhere near what was promised and not buy it. Without demos, all you can judge a game by are reviews, ad campaigns and hype, all of which are twisted by the developers in each games favor.
>>338015995
>shill meme
fuck off and die.
>>338011057
>You'll never be able to protect a girl like that because you're a frail, weak loser
>>338011531
>the desperate console cuck thinks he has won yet again
>Doesn't realize that even if I can't pirate it, I can family share it from a buddy for free
>worse comes to worse, I can get it off a key site for $30 while his console cuck ass pays $60 for a physical degrading copy
>can still pirate vidya, anime, etc that can't afford denuvo
>denuvo 2.0 will eventually get cracked and I'll laugh at you in that thread too
Just get the fuck out, you are a disgrace.
>>338016450
>But you are still at the mercy of the pirate.
But you are still at the mercy of the publisher.
But you are still at the mercy of the developer.
But you are still at the mercy of the DRM.
You have no argument, lad.
>>338016341
And what I'm saying is that there's more to paying things that not be called a criminal for not doing it. You can have the song you wanted either way, but you can at least pay for it.
And yes, I know that money doesn't necessarily go straight to the creator or whatever, but one way or another I'm pretty sure they'd rather their song sell than not.
>>338016335
>and because we love our costumers
You actually made me laugh, have a free "you".
>>338016518
and I brought up the publisher. Fucking read dingus.
>>338011531
the only game on this list I care about is Hitman, and I bought that one.
>>338016535
Well, if they want me to buy it they could make it available without DRM.
>>338011057
What's this picture context?
is there a story behind this?
>>338016147
I'm Asian but unfortunately I can't name any Capcom games that I want enough, probably because I never could play anything from them, but this usually happens to Asia, and on consoles too, at least I can make a US PSN account, but I can't do that as easily with Nintendo consoles (I think)
>>338016518
I do, you still aren't winning or getting one over because at the end you are someone's bitch either by money or by getting fucked over by a bad scene release.
>>338016578
So you either risk the publisher, or risk the pirates. Except in one case you pay money.
Seems like an obvious choice to me.
>>338016629
>doesn't want MH4U
>Playing a Denuvo protected game that I paid for because I'm not a pathetic poorfag
>mfw poorfriend steam friends message me whining that they can't afford it with their autism bucks
>>338011057
Denuvo are gonna force game companies to pay a lot for their shit and game prices will increase.
>>338016617
and more and more games are on gog sans DRM.
OH NO OUR GAME MADE 5 MILLION INSTEAD OF 6, THOSE DAM FUCKING PIRATES
>>338016707
>my only joy in life comes from feeling better than other people
>>338016707
smug mom
Has RoTR and JC3 been cracked?
Those are the only games I really care to play.
>>338016469
>wanting a frail, weak loser that needs protection
You don't want a gf you want a daughter
>>338016718
games are already 120 dollars. They just pieced out the price out.
>>338016771
One of the joys yes, I also enjoy playing video games that poorfag neets don't get to enjoy.
>>338016626
Denuvofags being delusional and thinking they're doing jack shit other then spiting the consumer. Also fuck you OP. Do you really need to make several Denuvo threads a day? Is there something want to tell us...maybe something about buyer's remorse on a Denuvo game? Hmmmmmmmmmmmm?
>>338016617
But why would you care? You can have it DRM-free either way.
I just told you that it's about paying for a product, not for the service.
>>338016639
Do you know how stupid it looks when you point somebody to a post that is already quoting them?
>>338016668
Except you are "someone's bitch" by both money, and DRM, and quality, among other things. You have no point.
>>338016706
the 3DS is cracked so there's that, funnily enough stores here only stock Japanese 3DS because "there are no games for the other regions"
I can also buy Dragon's Dogma I guess, I don't get why are publishers so inconsistent with this shit
>>338016535
Most would rather have people consume the media and talk about it rather than be barred completely.
These developers are getting the same money while the publishers just rake in your money. Yay, you get to see people pay someone already rich who gave no effort in the creative process and doesn't give a shit about you or your work. Yes, I'm sure they love it!
>>338016771
>>338016831
>responding to ruggrell
STOP
>>338015883
Still pretty easy to find blops and mw2 servers even with the shitty matchmaking of the latter.
>>338016871
I care because I'd prefer getting it legally without DRM than illegally.
>>338016783
>Has fall of the "tomb raider" been beaten yet
Why? It's an uninspired unoriginal third person shooter that shits on the franchise.
>>338014304
Not the guy you're talking to, but I never pay more than $20 for a game that I have not played before either through a demo or through pirating. I've sunk too much money into horrible AAA games over the years to drop $60 every time some overhyped game comes to the market.
When I find a game that I enjoy, I almost always buy it, and many times at full price. If I can't try it out on my own terms, then I skip it.
For the record, I could give two shits if someone else pirated a game that I had purchased at full price. It's in no way affecting my gaming experience.
>>338016964
I enjoyed the first game when i got it off SE bundle and i don't mind playing the 2nd one if it is fucking free. What is your problem?
>>338016867
Of course he does. There's a reason these marketers use the same pic everytime. It's forwarded to them by their bosses in either their marketing department, or its used by marketing teams at dedicated advertising agencies to be recognized by their systems so they get paid when they post to defend their product.
This is why those windows phone threads in /g/ used the same pic every time, this is why those old xbone screencaps used the same pic, this is why those ps4 threads always use the same picture. It's marketers trying to get paid and stir up shit like this thread to get money for each post they make.
These fucks dont care about DRM, games, or even the fucking industry no matter how harmful the product is that they're defending. They're most likely poo in loo's from india trying to fucking make money. Shit, if you range banned india and fucking australia 4chan would be a paradise.
>>338016042
Developers make more games if people pay for them so that they can get funded to make more games. The issue is whether the ability to pirate reduces or enhances sales, I suppose. There isn't really a great way to get solid evidence on that, as piracy and sales numbers are always obfuscated at fuck. Most of the Denuvo enabled games aren't exactly blockbusters, though.
>>338016079
>And it made no fucking difference, making your argument pointless. DRM is just an excuse to keep making bad games without losing sales. The best PC games ever made don't have DRM, you know why? Because people will pay money for good games. Retards like you will also pay money for shitty games stuffed up the ass with anti-consumer restrictions, so they don't need to make good games.
Totally. My point is more "fuck pirates who are on a crusade to get free shit and feel good about themselves as if they are making a statement" than to think DRM is always a beneficial thing that never hurts consumers. Let's pray GFWL never happens again and that I don't have to make yet another account for yet another godawful publisher specific service like UPlay.
>>338016871
>willingly wasting money on computer games just to feel morally superior when the average life expectancy is 80
Who gives a fuck? Honestly. If you pay, you get DRM. If you don't pay, you don't get DRM. There is literally no downside to doing so, and if you're worried about miners etc just build a separate, dedicated gaming PC with all that fucking money you're saving not buying every new shitty AAA meme game of the month release for $60 a pop and never connect it to the internet.
Denuvo is the closest yet to the most effective DRM, but totally uncrackable DRM is impossible.
What I mean by most effective is simply making the time required prohibitive. Professional software like Cubase has thousands of checks scattered throughout the code that require the cracker to invest a thousand man hours scouring hex format code for any SINGLE VERSION of the software. That shit is prohibitive.
With denuvo we get thousands of hardware specific code variations, which requires a similarly obscene investment to crack. I may be wrong but I get the impression that without workarounds and exploits as has been done, the code-scouring equivalent would be a cabal of machines with different hardware running legit copy(s) of the games to get the various specific bits, with pirates needing to have the most popular hardware for the crack library to include them in a timely fashion.
>>338015184
Pic related.
why is /v/ suddenly against piracy? you faggots pirate 3ds/music/tv shows. why is it bad to wanting free games? fucking bunch of hypocrites!
>>338011057
It wasn't proven uncrackable, there's simply nobody competent enough left to do something more complex than patching Steam dll and repacking game with their logo. Scene is dead.
>>338017196
>why is /v/ suddenly against piracy?
Because /v/ is suddenly filled with normalfags, people in their mid 20s who just got jobs and want to feel good about themselves for wasting their money, and third-world subhumans being paid in pocket lint to sing the praises of DRM in threads like this.
>>338011057
Hey, Rajeet, have you paid author of that image for using it in your advertisement? It's an intellectual property, you know. You are a thief.
>>338012898
Is that a boy
>>338017609
RAJEET BTFO!
>>338011553
unlock dat chakra senpai
It's a good thing I dont play video games
>>338017078
>Developers make more games if people pay for them so that they can get funded to make more games.
But that's not what happens even if they do go with a publisher that advocates DRM. They get abused, fired, and replaced.
Do I really have to dig up that image that shows the difference between the names in the credits of Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 3?
Meanwhile companies like CDPR directly pay for a developer employee's chemotherapy, radiation, and surgeries. EA does not do this for any development or publishing staff, and they should have shitloads more money than slavsquats.
>>338017646
probably
>>338017651
>>338017609
>that painfully obvious samefag
I guess you need SOMETHING to do when you can't play vidya. :^)
Posted from my iPhone.
>>338017461
pretty much this
>>338011057
>still doesn't buy DLC racketeered shovelware
>>338017046
It's a shit game, and there seems to be a lack of Tomb Raiding despite being a, uhm, what's the title of the franchise again? Oh yeah. TOMB RAIDER. Instead you get a shooter that ignores exploration and the whole TOMBs part, and treats them as filler optional side content. That's why.
>>338015569
fallout nv outsold fallout 3 because fallout 3 is fucking broken.
>>338011268
>spending money on atoms when you could use your own atoms
Fucking really?
>>338017743
Do you know what a post timer is?
>>338017063
I wish the fucking mods would ban blatant shill thread posters.
>>338011685
>>338013087
Hello eliminative materialism
>>338017646
we can only hope
>>338013921
Get out...
Don't pull a $Hillary card on us
>>338011116
Bastard
>>338017938
>butthurt
Confirmed for samefag.
>>338018047
>gamergate hates this game because they hate women!
>game lets you see a woman get brutally murdered in multiple different ways
WHICH IS IT CUNTS
>>338011531
>mfw i am buying all of them except for FarCry
>have to pay over $50usd for each game because of horseshit
>>338018047
Does Rise still have horrible deaths all around?
>>338017902
I think NV is miles better than 3 but saying that game wasn't a broken, glitchy shitfest upon release is utter denial.
But yes, it also sells more because it is the better game and had more sales over time.
So how does DRM benefit, again?
>>338018047
I mean, having a good story (despite Tomb Raider never giving a fuck about that, but whatever Crystal seems dead set on having those now), good characters that you actually like (I swear to fucking god I want to kill Reyes so badly that fucking stupid fat fuck), and giving Lara her goat tits back, would alleviate a lot of my frustration at my favorite games getting fucked around with so much.
>>338018196
I don't remember any, then again the game is toddler levels of easy, even on the hardest difficulty level.
>>338016228
>Horn of the Abyss
Is this a mod? I don't recognize that building on the left either.
>>338016335
>drm benefits customers
HAWHAUEWHAUSHUAEHUASHEUASHEUS
fuck that shit
>It's ten years from now.
>Want to play Half Life 3.
>Can't buy it anymore.
>Can't pirate it because Denuvo.
Justify this, buyfags. The only reason I can play some of the old games I like is because of piracy.
>>338016492
You can rent from free from gamestop, rent from redbox for $3 a night, get 20% off with GCU or Prime, buy it used, or wait for digital sale. If you don't like paying $60 for new games there's no reason you ever have to. I do it because money is no issue and for convenience and to support devs.
>>338018227
They even have a fucking disclaimer on fallout 3's steam page.
I said nothing about DRM.
Both games have DRM, NV's is just less obnoxious.
>>338016335
>and because we love our costumers' money
ftfy
>>338011057
Its the same story every single time.
You people never learn.PIRACY CONQUERS ALL SYSTEMS!!!!
Mixed feelings. I hate the current "lel pirating is awesome XD" group, but I do pirate many games that I'm not comfortable buying.
I am mostly a buyfag, but usually I'm not dropping €60 on something I never played.
>>338015775
>thus rending impossible a refund
>not idling in the menu for hours on end
Easy, I'll just never try out Denuvo games.
>>338011057
The only thing I'm mad about is that a company who made a shoddy product that killed one of my hard drives is still allowed to opperate.
Seeing how people react to Overwatch is a glimpse of how things will be when Denuvo is the norm and uncrackable.
>people play the open beta
>game is 40 - 60 dollars to own
>s-shoulda been F2P or 20 dollars!
then...
>l-looks like shit! I-I didn't even want it anyway! s-shitty TF2 clone!
Weeding out poorfags is honestly hilarious.
>>338011057
>he hasn't heard of private trackers
Even if the big groups have broke it yet, doesn't mean it's not broken.
>>338018813
>s-shitty TF2 clone!
This was never untrue.
>>338016335
>t. denuvo marketeer
>>338011531
Homefront 2 is one of the worst games of the last years
Deus Ex looks good but isn't out yet.
Hitman is mediocre so far and not even complete
Rise of the Tomb Raider is Uncharted fem Edition and i don't even like Uncharted
Far Cry Primal is Far Cry 4s map with less content than 4 and a tropical reskin
And DOOM is a disgrace
Really. If Deus Ex MD somehow turns out shit Denuvo keeps its 100% trash record.
>>338018858Bitgamer ;_;
>>338018953
Nah Doom is pretty good
>2016
>pirating shitty recent games
it's your own damn fault, get a job you losers
They can denuvo all they want as long as they have a open beta/demo.
>>338018568
You've lost track.
I used New Vegas as an example of a non-multiplayer game that has outsold a game over time in total money earned, despite Fallout 3 having sold more upon the release. Therefore, I was disproving the point that "Games must do well upon release or they die, and DRM makes them get more purchases ASAP."
Except I'm paraphrasing.
>>338018936
>These posters will never be perma-banned
>mfw
>>338017970
The part about Sam Harris is funny though.
>>338018953
I guess your opinions become unrational when you spend so much time alone, spat on by everyone else in the society since you're a contrarian piece of shit
>>338018362
yes it's a mod by Ruskies who made HoMM3 HD, which is excellent
https://sites.google.com/site/heroes3hd/eng/description/extended-ui
>>338019283
Feel free to fuck off back to tumblr, retard
I'm convinced that 4chan has some kind of secret currency that you earn by getting (you)s. So everyone shit post as hard as they can in a desperate attempt to earn more 4chan money that has no real value.
A (you) based economy
>>338014928
Nope.
Fuck off shill
>>338011057
>buy all of my vidya anyways
>in the close future all multiplayer games will be free of poorshit slavs and brazilians
I was in the acceptance camp from the very start
>>338019695
>(you) based economy
>mfw barney is a 4chan billionaire
>>338014928
The music industry would be a fraction of what it is today if it wasn't for the advent of Napster.
>>338019695
Here's one for (you). You secretly wants one too, right? Don't bother to reply. I don't need any from (you).
>>338019695
(You)'s are this websites version of upboats/likes, been saying this from the very start
>>338019834
What would Klonie be then
His shitposting excesses and thread derailings still haunt my dreams
>>338011057
Acceptance.
If i cant pirate it, i just leave it. I tried to pirate JC2 and it couldnt be cracked so i just deleted it. couldnt pirate doom so i just deleted it. It makes no difference to me if I play it or not
>>338019926
>(You)'s are this websites version of upboats/likes, been saying this from the very start
they've always been though, even moot knew as much if you read between the lines of old interviews with him
(you)'s just make it more obvious to everyone involved
>>338019792
I'm brazilian and I'll keep buying shitty multiplayer games just to spite you.
Prepare for the HUEA.
>>338015752
>pirated e-book are shit
What?
I'm sorry if your esoteric philosophy 101 textbook had a watermark on it you don't know how to remove, but e-books are widely available pirated in a multitude of plain-text formats.
>and a lot of pirated music is shit unless you hunt down lossless copies.
FLAC is actually standard on most private trackers.
>>338019695
(you)s should be disabled tbqh
might make discussions more confusing but there'd be less attentionwhoring and b8
What is so bad about paying money for video games?
They are ridiculously difficult and expensive to make, so I want to at least support them a little.
How does Denuvo work anyway? I just disabled my internet connection and played the game from offline Steam and it worked just fine. It doesn't phone home so how is it uncrackable? Does the executable have some legendary level encryption or something?
>>338019695
it all makes sense now
>>338019926
Which is fucking funny, considering there are faggots on this board who genuinely think getting a bunch of replies aka (You)s calling them retarded is the equivalent of being downvoted or having your post quelched.
>>338011531
>deus ex MD
>Rise of tomb raider
>doom
the only ones worth paying for
>>338020124
>60 dollar games
>No demos allowed to see if it's shit or not
>The general bullshit of DLC on disc and nickel diming practices
>That entire thing with Microsoft trying to literally destroy renting and selling used games with Xbox One
>Those stupid fucking codes you needed to "activate" multiplayer or other content so you couldn't rent or buy a used game
>Season passes even existing
>Intrusive DRM
>Every single bigger company releasing their own much shittier than steam versions of "steam" (uplay, origin, ect) bloating how many programs you need
>You don't actually own the game only the license to play it bullshit
>Ubisoft and Capcom shenanigans in general
>Still the most profitable media outlet by a massive margin compared to things like music and even movies
Remind me, why exactly should I just bend over and give the so called "legitimate" anti-consumer publishers all that money when I can get it cheaper somewhere else?
Fuck'em Capitalism runs both ways.
>>338019926
It's like liquid crack
>>338020227
doom is less than 12 hours of gameplay with garbage multiplayer. not worth
>>338020106
Except everyone would just install 4chanX again
>>338011531
congrats listing 6 games I have no intention of ever playing. boy I sure am salty about this denuvo shit!
>>338020071
Brazilians and slavs that can afford games don't bother me since they usually can speak English and have some semblance of manners
The ones that only play F2P or pirate everything are the real cancer with their hacks and generally scummy behavior
>>338019589
Not you, I was referring to the blatant shiller.
>>338019926
>He doesn't get it
Jesus christ how new here are you?
>>338011057
stage: I don't care
>>338012381
>never played the game : the post
Given enough time you can crack anything
>>338020453
hues and slavs who pirate usually aren't a problem unless the developer is completely retarded and allows pirates on their multiplayer servers without any anti cheat.
>>338020227
>Fall of the Tomb Raider
>Worth buying at full price
>Not buying it when it goes on sale for a few bucks, it's actual worth
>>338012381
rise of the tomb raider actually doesnt have qtes like the first one and it has actual tombs to explore. big old tombs that are all varied and interesting, unlike the "tombs" from the first game
>>338020252
Lemme guess, you use all of that as an excuse in every scenario. Even when you pirate an indie game that one dude has been working on for 3 years.
>>338020296
and ending worse than deponia
>>338020537
You have to understand the mentality of these people. They believe games have an expiration date and that once a game has been released for more than a few weeks its no longer relavent or worth playing at all.
>>338020537
Like that Xbox emulator.
>>338011531
The only game worth purchasing is Deus Ex. Maybe DOOM, if you forget about it trying to be DOOM (actually Call of Duty with pentas)
>>338020537
What about the PS Vita
>>338012898
>promise me, Ned
>>338020272
>have sound notifications, autoupdate on
>hear them (You)s coming in after I post some juicy b8
better than sex desu
>>338020550
Why hello there Crystal shill. Couldn't help but notice you posting some factually incorrect information. So excuse me while I correct you. ;^)
> actually doesnt have qtes like the first one
Wrong. They are present, especially with the boss fight against what's-his-face, the antagonist.
>has actual tombs to explore
Both games have tombs to "explore" (i.e. linear corridor "exploration") but their side content that is optional, something that should not belong in a Tomb Raider game. The only difference between the two games, is that in Fall, there's only (1) let's count that again (ONE) actual full on, legit, bona fide tomb that is not optional and you must go through. But then...the rest of the game seemed to forget that it was a Tomb Raider game.
>big old tombs that are all varied and interesting
One tomb -could- be described as that. Everything else is the same Vault Tec certified Tomb In A Cave bullshit.
>unlike the "tombs" from the first game
Funny you should say that, when Tomb Raider 2013 didn't even have any tombs other then the caves that had nothing in them but a skeleton and a random as fuck "treasure chest."
>>338020562
Why would indie games be any different? If it doesn't have a demo I'm not paying before I pirate. It's as simple as that.
I bought a game yesterday after I had pirated it a couple of days ago because I liked it so much. So I support developers worth supporting.
There's a load of games I just pirated on a whim that I never would've dreamed of buying because there is just no reliable way of knowing whether or not you'll like a game now. Demos are mostly dead, reviewers lie out the ass and publishers force them to withhold information.
I literally would never have bought Darkest Dungeon, Far Cry 4, Besiege or Borderlands 2. But I've pirated them and couldn't even get halfway through them.
I saved myself, what, like $150 to find out I don't even like these games enough to give a shit to finish them? Yeah fuck you.
>>338014304
>If a game can't be pirated, then people will be more inclined to drop money on a game they want
the opposite is true. if you cant pirate it, you just dont play it. you pirate because you dont want to buy, and if you cant pirate, then you still dont buy. however that try before you buy bullshit is true for a surprising amount of people. they pirate, they like it, they buy it. but if they cant pirate, they cant see if they like it, and they dont buy it. my point is that youre an idiot and the kind of fag who would fight against steam refunds because it lets people see if a game is worth keeping or not
Oh god,this is wonderful.
All the piracy groups will flood to consoles like hell.
Containment of PC will flow to consoles. I will just buy a console every 7-8 years and jailbreak it. Simply perfect.
>>338016312
I actually wouldn't mind being the Chinese invader in a game. Cleaning up the world one hamburger at a time.
>>338020883
I thought you didn't buy games at all, so I'm glad to hear you at least support those you deem worthy.
I'd probably have to spend $500+ to upgrade my GPU for the game to look nice so I guess it's saving me money right now.
>>338020857
woah, so much false bullshit in one post
did you even play originals? Games are identical except for Laura not definitive badass anymore in the plot.
It's same retarded argument as for thief4 not being like thief 2, while it's is great deadly shadows sequel.
It's like all these meme gamers that came out of the woods in 2010 missed whole 2000-2005 years.
>>338014304
>If you spent $60 for a game, then someone else got it for free off a torrent site, you would feel a little upset that you dropped so much when you could have gotten it for free.
This at its core is the issue so called moralfags have with piracy. It has nothing to do with morality , or the economic impact of piracy on the industry, or whether it actually hurts devolpers. Literally all they care about is someone got to play something for free that they had to pay for.
All the moral posturing and hamhanded economics is just an excuse for their real girpe with piracy. The truth is moralfags don't give a fuck about anything else.
is total war the first denuvo game actually worth a shit?
>>338021191
Stop moving the goalposts. You were talking about Tomb Raider 2013 and Fall of the Tomb Raider, not any of the actual Tomb Raider games.
>>338021284
>Literally all they care about is someone got to play something for free that they had to pay for.
I don't like this argument because it's basically just the legislation of jealousy. They don't have the legal right to force someone to monetarily benefit them, but they do have the legal right to stop someone from tangibly benefitting in some way. They have the choice of either letting someone enjoy something or stopping them from enjoying it. At no point is the owner of the intellectual property actually recieving any benefit. All they can do is deny benefit from someone else.
Isn't the deliberate inconveniencing of someone for no possible benefit to self literally the definition of pure evil? Should the lactose intolerant little brother have the right to flush his sister's ice cream?
>>338020252
>60 dollar games
This is a problem I have with gaming. I have no issue paying ~15-30 USD for game I want to support, but like 99% of people don't even question a full $60 price tag, they just bend over and accept it because they're brainwashed into believing it's just "normal". This is probably why Australia's prices are fucked. If you want to waste hundreds of millions of dollars for a fucking video game, that shouldn't be our problem. Should we be paying more for movie tickets based on a movie's individual budget too? Where does the cuckoldry end?
>unravel 2 confirmed
>meanwhile unravel 1 isnt even cracked
Pcfats blown the FUCK out
>>338021291
no, probably a mess on release like every other before this one
>>338021284
>Literally all they care about is someone got to play something for free that they had to pay for.
This.
If you truly felt like the product was worth 60$ to you it wouldn't matter if someone else got it for free.
>>338021631
People who rail against piracy and support drm do it for the same reasons console fanboys support console parity. They don't actually care if it makes games worse. It's cutting off their nose to spite the other person's face.
>>338021619
Some times I think i'm the only person with actual memory that plays video games. I probably could've made million view videos comparing side by side identical gameplay from different games.
>>338021690
I remember there being an old meme on /v/ that once games only released digitally, that the prices would drop since publishers didn't need to waste money creating physical copies.
>tfw game prices just keep increasing
>new games will never get released in the 20 - 40 dollar range instead
>>338021706
probably, but it's the only title i can even think of that uses it and is even worth considering a buy unless i missed something.
>>338021284
>Literally all they care about is someone got to play something for free that they had to pay for.
Which they spent years of their lives working on, how dare they!
I have friends who are popular on YouTube (200k+ subs) and their shit gets reuploaded to a bunch of different sites like FB all the time which takes revenue away from their hard work. I can't imagine how frustrating that must be.
Thing about piracy is that when a game is released its cost is maybe too much for you, but you'd consider buying it when it's in a more reasonable price range or you put some money aside for it over time.
Piracy means you get it forever without ever paying once, and the whole 'I wasn't going to buy it anyway! argument' is retarded, you literally cannot argue that piracy is okay because it's the same as not buying the game.
The real reason is that the primary profit for games comes from its sales, with movies you can't pirate the cinema experience (and that's where it makes most of its revenue unless your setup is amazing and with music artists make most of their money from touring / endorsements.
If you had an infinite amount of fingers that grew back when the prior one was cut-off, you'd still be pretty annoyed every time you lost one because it'd hurt every time.
>>338022034
>Which they spent years of their lives working on, how dare they!
Already in the first line you fucked up. Your post just now, only just proved his point fully. Congrats for being the very thing he's calling out.
>>338021861
Without piracy a shitton of teens are going to stop playing vidya. Which will make gaming less relevant.
>>338021619
>Stop moving the goalposts. You were talking about Tomb Raider 2013 and Fall of the Tomb Raider, not any of the actual Tomb Raider games.
im not that guy, im the original guy. remember that theres more than 2 people on 4chan. and i just want to say that youre an idiot, and that YOU brought up the old games. you moved the goal posts, not him
>new womb raider is shit and has all these things that arent true
>yeah well look it happens once here i think and in my opinion this other stuff is bad too
>its not like the old games so i dont like it
>what do you mean its the same as the old games? why did you bring up the old games? dont move goal posts faggot
this is literally you tonight
>>338022123
Don't worry I'm used to people here ignoring entire arguments for trivial reasons like this because they can't come up with a proper retort.
Doesn't matter to me, just shows how weak willed these people are in the real world.
The thing to remember is its only uncrackable until someone actually cracks it and everyone else follows in said anons footsteps.
Also get a good chuckle out of seeing companies break out into a panic when something widely known of theirs as uncrackable is infact cracked.
>>338011057
Everything is crackable, there's no such thing as uncrackable, some just take more time to crack.
>>338022301
Took 9 months for the very first version of Denuvo to be cracked and it's been bolstered from those methods ever since.
This version could literally take years, cracking groups might not even want to bother. You'd think with their skills they could get a high paying job anyway.
>>338022237
Your shitpost doesn't warrant a proper retort. You couldn't even bother to read what you're replying to.
>Doesn't matter to me, just shows how weak willed these people are in the real world.
Oh get over yourself you self aggrandizing cunt
Acceptance.
Since it never bothered me regardless.
I haven't bought a single Denuvo game anyway. If I can't try it, I'm not buying it, or at least certainly not for over $15-20. And it's not like there isn't games I'm keen on, I've wanted to give both DaS3 & DOOM a shot, but throwing Denuvo on top of those games hasn't gotten a sale out of me, because fuck paying $60-80 for something I haven't been able to try.
>>338022419
Got Doom for 33€ from cdkeys, I usually wouldn't spend that much but I was really thristy for a shooter
60€ is pretty silly
>>338022398
all true but at same time all it takes is a legendary super autist with the skill and autism enough to do it
>>338022403
Yeah I tripped a nerve didn't I, I love being right sometimes.
Oh well just keep coming up with baseless reasons to not reply to my argument.
>>338011531
LMAO
Only Mankind Divided is the thing that might be worth it
>>338015995
WHY ARE YOU ALL STILL REPLYING TO THIS MARKETER THREAD AND GIVING HIM MONEY AFTER THIS POST YOU'RE ALL FUCKING STUPID.
>>338015995
>>338015995
>>338015995
>>338015995
PIRATENEETS BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
KEKED FROM VIDEO GAMES AGAIN
BASED DENUVO
KEEPING VIDEO GAME COMMUNITIES SHITSKIN AND NEET FREE
NO
POORS
ALLOWED
>>338022546
>uugh uugh I love being right uugh let me jerk myself off uugh uugh uugh struck a nerve did i uugh
Your argument is baseless to begin with stupid. Half of it doesn't even address what was posted and the other half literally confirms what was posted.
I need that picture of where "playing chess with a retard is like playing with a pigeon, they'll strut around on the board pretending they won and take a dump on the chess board and think they've got victory" because you're literally a dumb fucking pigeon
>>338012173
for gaming, normalfags buy pc only to pirate
if they can't pirate, then they rather buy a trouble-free product to play game other than mobileshit.
and PS4 is the best among the consoles.
>>338022419
DaS3 doesn't have Denuvo.
Also I'm surprised it even comes up on your list, it's basically Bloodborne, DaS, and DeS quality.
From is pretty consistent quality wise, DaS 2 might be the bad egg of the bunch but it certainly isn't a mediocre game by any stretch.
>sour grapes from pirate cucks
I want doom
>>338022540
all those have jobs now thanks to online recruiters and the internet
>>338011057
The stage of getting second job. I'm sure they don't expect this.
Take that, Denuvo!
>>338022228
>>new womb raider is shit and has all these things that arent true
Except they are.
>>yeah well look it happens once here i think and in my opinion this other stuff is bad too
The game has a shit story and shit characters, no one but autistic retards who like to say >muh shooter >muh cinematic experience say otherwise. The games ARE bad. If you think they're GOTY quality then you've obviously don't play a lot of video games.
>>its not like the old games so i dont like it
>I'm going to ignore what you say because muh feels are hurt
>I'm going to ignore all the parts where I said why the games are shit
>I'm going to respond to this post with more butthurt and ignore everything that was actually posted
>>what do you mean its the same as the old games?
They aren't though.
Now fuck off.
>>338022616
Because these threads are actually made by shitposters who take whatever is the controversial topic at the time to get 500 post threads and we're all bored
>>338022787
theres always a fresh stream of new pirates coming in trying to one up everybody
>>338011057
>DENUVO V2 PROVEN UNCRACKABLE
Yeah, but they said the same about V1 and it turned out to be crackable soooo...
>>338011531
Made me realize how fucked gaming is if there's nothing good coming out outside of maybe Deus Ex MD.
>>338011057
Which stage is indifference?
good
the sooner they make an uncrackable drm, the sooner companies realize it doesn't increase their sales appreciably and all this faggotry can end
>>338011531
man i fucking hate grapes
>>338011057
thank you based denuvo.
>>338022727
>Half of it doesn't even address what was posted and the other half literally confirms what was posted.
His post was literally
>lol well ppl just get mad becuz they got this thing that cost a lot of time and money to make for free
Then I explain the external implications to this, not very difficult to follow.
>I need that picture of where "playing chess with a retard is like playing with a pigeon, they'll strut around on the board pretending they won and take a dump on the chess board and think they've got victory" because you're literally a dumb fucking pigeon
Why'd you waste so much text on something irrelevant to the argument? Do you think an anonymous mean post on the internet can hurt my feelings? lmao, save that for children I'm trying to present a proper argument here.
>>338016395
the single player campaign is pretty fucking good, but not worth 60 bucks.
The multiplayer is trash and snapmap is trash. How the fuck do you make a fast-paced classic arena shooter then cuck it up with "loadouts" retarded 2 weapon limit systems, slow combat, and what is basically cheats built into the game.
WHO CARES? MODERN VIDEOGAMES ARE SHIT ANYWAYS
>>338018525
>console digital sales
ECKS
DEE
which state is "i dont care since nothing worth playing have been release in over a decade"?
>>338022736
Oh I saw people claiming it was going to have Denuvo pre-launch, guess I'll have to take a look for it then.
I was much more unimpressed with DaS2 it seems, I barely broke 10 hours before I was thoroughly unimpressed, bored and quit it. So I'm far less inclined to rush out and bother with DaS3 this time around.
Although I think it was a little bit of Souls fatigue in general, since I did practically marathon DaS/DeS before 2 came out.
>>338022943
that just makes em turn their focus back to going full hurtburt over used game sales
>>338022985
>His post was literally
>[greentext strawman]
How about you get fucked retard. Not even going to bother reading the rest of your garbage post. You're an insuffarable manchild and nothing you can say will change that.
Here's your last (You) shitpost kun
>>338013312
>and this is ID tech
lol he doesn't know
The fact that they had to make a v2 makes me doubt it.
>>338014079
>you pay in exchange for what they created in the first place
yes, if I don't like it I don't pay, like all products on this world ;^)
>>338023132
This.
>Hmm
>We feel we are still losing sales
>Obviously it isn't pirates
>HOLY FUCK IT'S FROM ALL THOSE USED GAMES XDXDXD
>>338022034
First of all, my post was referring to antipirates, not the developers that you pretend to care about.
Pirating games/music/movies/whatever is nowhere near the same as plagerizing someone's youtube video and making money off of it. You're not taking credit away from the devs and selling their work as your own. Your analogy is bad and you should feel bad.
You literally cannot prove I was going to by the game otherwise. The whole "pirates cause lost sales" is absolutely retarded
Fact is that I am not going to buy certain games regardless of whether I pirate or can't. Pirating a game doesn't mean there is a commitment to buy, and not being able to pirate doesn't mean I am going to buy it.
Except you terally cannot argue that piracy is okay because it's the same as not buying the game. literally can because it's literally true. There's no reason why piracy isn't ok, that isn't based on appeals to morality and hamhanded economic theory.
This is a false dichotomy, and a shitty excuse to justify a double standard when pirating movies and other media that aren't video games. Pirating a video game is no different than pirating a movie or alblum or even porn, moral or othewise. Anyone who says otherwise is a hypocritical faggot of the highest order.
>If you had an infinite amount of fingers that grew back when the prior one was cut-off, you'd still be pretty annoyed every time you lost one because it'd hurt every time.
Except in the case of piracy no one is losing any fingers, the fingercut is purely imaginary.
Also next time you post OPM memes like OK face don't attatch it to a longwinded paragarph which defeats the whole purpose of your images to begin with.
>>338014079
>Lol ur shit
>btw I torrent chinese cartoons legally ;^)))))))))))
weeb logic
>>338011057
Uncrackable for 12-18 months
>>338011057
At the
>morons shitpost and I still play ds 3 online even thou its pirated
>still plating every game days after it comes out
>this thread .jpg
>>338023374
People seem to think it's ok to bitch about the evils of pirating video games while they pirate anime and porn because of some excuse that piracy hurts video games more than any other medium. Cognitive dissonance at it's finest.
>>338012027
That's deep.
>>338022959
Man, I fucking hate rotten grapes that would kill me if I ate them.
Nothing because I don't care.
My life doesn't revolve around luxury goods, and I haven't played any new release since XCOM 2.
>>338014261
I want new Planetary.
>>338023484
Every time. If you're going to get all pissy and moany about people pirating games, then maybe you should stop watching free porn. Unless you're watching amateur or webcam shit, that porn originally came from a pay site.
>>338011057
At the stage where i don't care because there's not a single denuvo game i'm intested in
>>338011531
>All these retards saying new Doom is bad
Meanwhile, everyone that has actually gotten and tried the game says it's great. Funny how that shit works, aint it?
It's even more pathetic when you try to claim it's like Call of Duty.
Stay salty, Pirate fags.
>>338011057
Apathy.
I can't honestly decide which is more pleb; pirating games or actually caring about the games that use denuvo in the first place
>>338023779
>Meanwhile, everyone that has actually gotten and tried the game says it's great.
Love how this argument only gets used to defend games that don't have a demo and aren't piratable.
Meanwhile the excuse given to pirates who want to try before they buy is they should read reviews and watch youtube videos to determine whether it's worth buying or not. But if they decide it's bad, then their opinion is suddenly invalid for not having played it.
It's even more pathetic when you try to claim this isn't a contradictory stance and then defend your double standards like a certain anon is about to do.
Funny how that shit works, aint it?
>devs solve piracy
>actually sell less games since less people play and shill their games
>>338024032
/rekt
And V2 in the name alone should tell OP something, but he is to much hollow to get it
>>338011057
Acceptance and always was acceptance. Only chinks can hack it. No chinks, no hack, no point in point in hoping. The only game I care about is Doom though, but I won't buy it because I don't think that it will work on my 670 as some benchmark suggest
>>338023962
>I can't honestly decide which is more pleb
People who go to 4chan and preach about the evils of piracy to random anonymous strangers and lecutre others how they're supposed to acquiremedia like video games
Oh wait I meant to say people who post Momiji memes.
>>338024032
Except for the fact that you can tell people haven't even tried watching gameplay videos of Doom if they claim it's like Call of Duty.
It's one thing to dislike features, style and whatnot, which is perfectly fine, but another to make false and retarded claims.
And that's the problem here, you're basically saying it's bad for reasons that are completely false, rather than saying "I dislike the upgrade system" or something of the like.
But you pirate fags are so fucking lazy that you can't even look up a gameplay video it seems and try to make an excuse for not wanting the game rather than actually doing some actual research.
I'm fine with the pirate fags that downloads games to try them and determine if they want to buy the game or not, but let's not fucking pretend that this is a majority of you that does this. Most of you just pirate shit and never buy anything regardless of the quality of the game and then you have the audacity to whine about the current state of the game industry that you refused to take part in by voting with your wallet.
>>338023248
It's actually v3
good gotos for steam keys other than cdkeys, looking for true thirdworld shithole prices, and suspect cdkeys is on some offers just suaving 10 or 20% of white person rrp.
open to feedback for legit keys at real shithole
prices ( global non reported stolen ) just not clued up beyond cdkeys
:)
>>338024432
Plati.ru, assuming the game is not region locked to CIS countries. Most of them are though, so be careful.
>>338012810
Yeah Because you are fucking POOR &/or want stuff for free FUcking pirate. Thank fuck you just stay there w/ all your shovelware,
>>338024391
>Except for the fact that you can tell people haven't even tried watching gameplay videos of Doom
Why would it matter? You're still going to immidietely discredit their opinion as false regardless because they haven't played the game. It happens in literally every fucking Doom thread regardless of how well the person is well acquainted with the game.
Newsflash: It's impossible to effectively vote with your wallet when you have to buy potentially bad games in order to play them.
You have no way of determining whether or not the try-before-you-buy crowd of pirates are in the minority. So to make claims as "Most of you just pirate shit and never buy anything regardless of the quality of the game" is disingenous as fuck when you're going off nothing but conjecture and assumptions. At best we have a handful of studies showing the spending habits of pirates vs nonpirates, and nearly all of them show pirates tend to be the biggest paying consumers of media.
>>338012810
Or you could just buy the game from, I dunno, a site that is NOT steam? Plenty of sites that has it cheaper.
>>338024659
cool. good methods to check region lock? prepared to directly ask publisher before buy, checking if other merhods. fuck the kites and the juice.
>>338024880
Can you still get refunds on keys bought from sties other than steam?
>>338024391
>then you have the audacity to whine about the current state of the game industry that you refused to take part in by voting with your wallet.
A free market only works with rational actors. People who will call out businesses that make shitty decisions AND refuse to support them.
Bending over and taking it is just about the worst thing you can do under capitalism. No amount of reviews or gameplay footage will compare to first hand experience when determining if a game is worth voting for with your wallet.
>>338025026
Not really, no. But you could buy the game on steam, refund it after trying it and then buy it from a cheaper site.
I assume that it's fine as long as you don't do this TOO often. I could be wrong and they don't give a shit but I am assuming that they will catch on if you keep buying and refunding a shit ton of games that you then also get.
>>338025089
Then use Steam refund if you want to try it. 3 hours should be enough time for you to decide whether the game is good or not.
>>338025189
You don't get it. The whole point of piracy/demos is to try before you buy, not after. Your solution doesn't work because you have to pay for the game in order to try it.
Also the time limit is 2 hours. If you're going to shill for refunds over piracy or demos then at least get your facts straight.
Acceptance.
I buy my games, not denuvo crap though. Invasive DRM is cancer and was always cancer since starforce. There are some games I'd love to play, but I have my principles. Too bad, I guess.
>>338025189
steam refunds is a good step tho fundamentally broken, i got mkx on launch with season pass, publisher pulls the plug on extra content, so i get 1 content pack, thats not why i purchased the game or the season pass. thats an incomplete multiplat game, pretending that other content packs are console exclusive which was not the lune at launch of the game or the season pass at all.
there are gaps in steam refund system.
>bargaining
only just cause 3 seems somewhat fun to play, even then i've heard its not worth the current asking price
I stopped pirating years ago because it was always without fail a massive fucking hassle and seeing 'PM'd you the fix :^)' for the 18457th time was beyond infuriating.
>>338025390
How is it any different in practice? If you WERE going to buy the game if it were good, you've not lost anything, if it was bad and you wouldn't buy it, you would refund it and lose nothing at all.
What's the actual difference here in practice?
>>338025463
Did they fix the crap performance?
>>338011412
if you're on steam why would you be mad at denuvo?
>>338025524
fucked if i know, i havent bought it and cant pirate it.
Yeah you newfags probably dont even remember how people shouted SECUROM IS UNCRACKABLE! YOU WILL NEVER PIRATE GTA IV!
then everybody and their mothers pirated gta iv.
>>338025578
>GTA IVIt wasn't worth it
>>338025405
what's invasive about denuvo?
I've got a couple games that supposedly run it and if it weren't for /v/ I would literally never have known.
It doesn't limit activations, it doesn't get installed separately from the game, it doesn't appear at all
it just makes people mad on /v/
>>338011531
I wouldnt even play those for free
maybe deus ex, only maybe
>>338025578
all I remember about securom was people bitching it bricked their machines, and there being a massive list of securom games to avoid as a result of that
that was actually the last time I cared about DLC
\
>>338011057
for some reason i can't play pirated games on pc, because itit doesn't feel rightbut i can pirate games for my wii u and 3ds and it feels good. like one time i pirated rayman legends and the pirated version was fucked up.
>>338025754
get the fu
wait never mind, /v/ is the perfect place for someone who doesn't like playing videogames, my bad.
>>338025704
Nothing, it's just hard to crack.
Which is why most of the autists hate it here.
>>338025704
Denuvo games have activiations, you literally cannot play a Denuvo game offline without activiating it at least once.
Every Denuvo game will be effectively lost to the market if the publisher ever decides to pull it from sale. If Mafia 1 and 2 had Denuvo you would never be able to play them unless you bought them when they were available.
>Marketers make daily threads
>Shitposters circlejerk5
>>338017970
actually machines are just simple humans.
>denuvo shills non stop
>Blizzard shills non stop
thank god Bethesda shills left
WHY IS THIS FUCKING ALLOWED
>>338025816
>if you don't like these specific games then you're someone who doesn't like playing video games
Drone logic 101
>>338025865
>disliking drm makes you autistic
why do i even come here anymore. this board is clearly overrun with underageb& who act stupid and are proud of it
>>338025885
did you never actually play or hear of games that had a set number of activations?
You're lucky.
what was being referred to was games that could literally only be installed X number of times. As in, if you uninstalled and then installed too many times, eventually your key would straight up not work.
>>338011057
who's this fucker on the left
>>338026017
I know all that, don't jump down my throat. All I'm saying is that Denuvo does require activiation and there are legit reasons why it's bad.
>>338011057
>V2
Why is there a V2?
>>338025004
It says in the description under region most of the time. Sometimes it says in the name of the product
Most of the non-region locked games cost about the same as in cdkeys though
>>338011268
>being this ignorant
>>338026089
what in that post registered as "jumping down your throat"
>>338011531
Why would you pirate Deus Ex?
If it is good you buy it and if it is bad you don't want anything to do with it.
>>338026050
looks like the painter used a shot of a crowd to paint over as a shortcut to get the lighting and grouping to feel right
>>338026207
>did you never actually play or hear of games that had a set number of activations?
HOL UP /V/ I NEED SOME SERIOUS HELP
So I finally pirated the shit out of MGSV
you know, the crack skips prologue and shit
So I completed first 3 missions and decided to play the prologue
I load up the prologue, reach the end, and it crashes
Try to load it up again and press continue, crashes
Don't tell me I have to replay those first 3 missions
>>338026094
It's v4
v3 and v4 are not hacked.
That's the point of the denuvo: they can make new versions whenever or wherever they want, without completely revamping the DRM system. No one has actually cracked the Denuvo, not v1, v2, v3 or v4, so they just fix the small exploits that were used to make Denuvo think the game is legitimate in the previous versions. No one has found the v3 or v4 exploits yet, or has cracked the Denuvo itself.
>>338011531
Maybe the new Deus Ex will be good, but overall that list only has shit games.
>>338026281
Do you have a separate save file b4 you did the prologue?
>>338025998
the only underage here is you, jobless poorfag
>>338026392
>no you
thanks for proving my point
>>338026280
genuine question, posed because the post talked about one thing and you responded with examples of activations that did not pertain to those described in the post, and it's completely conceivable that someone had not played or heard of games that had set numbers of activations.
I hadn't heard of dongles until a couple of years ago, and to this day I've never seen one in person. Based on your response, I wondered if you were in a similar situation.
>>338025519
The difference is it's buy-and-then-you-try, not try-before-you-buy. NO amount of hand wringing or false equivalences will make these two the same.
It's not suitable a replacement for demos. Refunds are meant to be a fail-safe in case the game doesn't run properly on your machine or the game is so utterly terrible becuase of false advertising, half the game is missing etc.
Refund policy doesn't apply to steam keys that aren't bought from steam, and there are other reasons why it isn't the same as free demos
But most of them will be disregarded because companies know that someone is much more likely to not refund a mediocre game they already paid for than buy a mediocre game they played for free. This ends up supporting bad games more than it does informing consumers to only support good ones.
they can't blame piracy now when shitty games dont sell
>>338011057
This is great, more people will buy games so companies will have money to create better games and not fill them will so much paid DLC, because their salary will be actually good.
>>338026385
Thats the problem
I'm retarded
I'm guessing I'm fucked?
>>338026379
deus ex looks like it could be great
new hitman is great
doom is great
rise of is a good game
primal's fine, nothing special but shit is a hell of a stretch
nothing about homefront 2 indicates it will be shit, the first one was fine.
>>338026441
Nothing about my post implied I didn't know what multiple activiations were. I don't know why you're trying to force this red herring when the point was about why Denuvo is a problem
>>338026528
holy shit lol
>>338011531
>will buy deus ex
>rest of the games list is a colorful mix of SJW approved, AAA+ super smash box office hit casual games
it's like pirating the latest niggertalk music. just doesn't make any sense to a sane person to even consider listening to it.
>>338026573
just find a 3DM save file that has you finished the prologue.
These threads are no better than the people who charge for emulators.
Disgusting
>>338026528
>companies will have money to create better games and not fill them will so much paid DLC
Thanks for the fucking laugh
>>338015995
This is only accurate for DRM that actually causes inconvenience or problems.
Remember all the people making up shit about denuvo because they couldn't pirate the game?
>>338011268
>spending money on Protons and Electrons like Food or cars
>>338026650
>he actually thinks this is whats gonna happen
>>338026592
>one post refers to one specific thing
>you respond talking about another thing that uses similar terminology without addressing the actual thing that was being talked about
that is usually enough of a hint that someone may not be familiar with a subject
that's how normal people navigate conversations
in before this simple statement of fact is interpreted as jumping down your throat
>>338026627
I could do that, but I don't want to lose the score I had on first 2 missions
You see, I did mission 1 and 2 first, then the prologue
I spent 7 hours on those 2 perfecting the score
it would kinda suck to have to lose it
>>338026663
>This is only accurate for DRM that actually causes inconvenience or problems.
How that JC3 multiplayer?
>>338026582
>Any of those games
>great or good
No, only Deus Ex looks something that might be worth getting, but I'll be skipping it anyways because of Denuvo. But saying that all those other shit games are any good is just blatant shilling, either that or just plain shit taste that's beyond redemption.
>>338026760
My boss just called me into his office
>>338026663
Remember all the people making up shit about bitcoin miners because they were mad about piracy?
>>338026849
Good luck, anon.
>>338026751
>How that JC3 multiplayer?
The developers didn't put multiplayer in. What are you talking about?
>>338026725
I don't think you understand how to have a normal conversation
Again, nothing about my post implied I didn't know what multiple activiations were. Anon claimed there was nothing wrong with denuvo and listed things like not having activiations, and I explained why Denuvo is wrong using single activation as part of my post.
I don't know why you're still arguing about this, but I'm not interested in getting a pissing match over something that had nothing to do with the actual conversation at hand.
Here's your last (You).
>>338015742
Fucking hell. I hope to God you're only trolling. I pray nobody actually believes that.
>>338026760
sauce plz
>>338026882
Which DRM had a bitcoin miner?
>>338026945
Christ DRM apologists are dense
>>338027071
Boku noふぉっくす紺子と夏の日
>>338027102
Reading comprehension m8
>>338027127
Denuvo is the reason the developers didn't/couldn't put multiplayer in?
>>338015742
/v/ was a mistake
>>338011531
It's funny because the only reason I bought Deux Ex HR was because of the leaked alpha at launch. If it wasn't for piracy I wouldn't have even bothered with it.
Oh well.
>piracy hurts gaming
>meanwhile, rockstar moves well over 60 million copies of gta5
piracy doesn't hurt a game. being total shit hurts a game. regardless of what /v/ thinks about gta5, it's a fun game that a lot of people felt was worth their $59.99.
games that struggle to sell copies are usually shit, that receive shit reviews, so consumers don't feel the need to actually buy it. devs and publishers point to piracy, when the actual truth is that no one wanted to play it.
>>338026729
why even bother? you pirated the game. Just find some save w/ a perfect score.
>>338027585
I paid for the PC version of GTAV
Hurts knowing that the pirated version runs better with the DRM removed.
>>338015482
>f-ff-fucking b-b-b-b-bt-f-fo
haha i win
>>338027056
>>338027417
Please explain how is he wrong.
Devs aren't allowed to do what they want with THEIR game?
ITT: piratefags think they are entitled to free shit then wonder why gaming became so casual.
>>338027904
Yeah, but who do you think pays to make the game? Unless you are indie but making a game that is big graphics,good facial animations, costs a fucktons of money. Dont delude yourself.
>>338017646
yes
>>338028013
Yeah, then they make pathetic petitions so they can pirate console exclusive games.
>>338028013
Do you buy all your movies before you watch them and hope they are good?
Do you but all your music before you hear it and hope that it's good?
Do you buy a painting before you see it and hope it's good?
Do you buy a car before you drive it and hope it's good?
Do you buy a fucking house without going inside and hoping it's livable?
Actively condemning pirating is like being a crab in a bucket, trying to pull the other crabs down with you. By stopping piracy outright, you're creating a dumber, less experienced and much smaller user base, literally turning people into casuals.
>>338027952
see the pic in >>338028013
>>338017646
No, THIS is a boy
>>338028164
>then they make pathetic petitions
Oh the ironing
https://www.change.org/p/washington-post-remove-the-washington-post-review-from-uncharted-4-s-metascore
http://web.archive.org/web/20111119104312/http://www.petitiononline.com/capcompe/petition.html
https://www.change.org/p/rockstar-games-dont-make-a-pc-version-of-gta-v#share
>>338028192
>video footage, reviews (not IGN shit), and screenshots are not enough for my tiny brain
EXCUSES
>>338028164
Then they use trainers to "beat" the game and cheat online.
>>338028192
-dont they have like advanced screening or something?
-Dude Youtube.
-you can already see it b4 you buy it dumbass
- you can do a testdrive b4 you buy a car
-Motherfucker, you can go inside a house and check it out b4 you move in
>>338028337
i signed it just because
>>338028337
>sonyggers
Yeah I agree with you on this one.
>>338028401
>video footage, reviews (not IGN shit), and screenshots are enough to buy a game off of
>video footage, reviews (not IGN shit), and screenshots are not enough to say a game is bad becuase you haven't played it
Quite literally drink bleach.
>>338028337
I was referring to pathetic petitions of porting over console exclusive games to PC, so they can Pirate it. fucking Dumbass.
>>338028558
So a demo isn't good enough?
>>338028460
you can already play the demo b4 you bu-OH WAIT GOOD JOB PROVING HIS POINT DUMBASS
DOOM SINGLE PLAYER CRACKED
>>338028558
I am not talking about a game being bad or not I am talking about making your mind to buy it.
Kill yourself nigger.
>>338028579
>I was referring to petitions of porting over console exclusive games to PC so they can play them
>No don't bring up those infinitely more pathetic petitions trying to get multiplats canceled and reviews removed
>>338028724
>I am talking about making your mind to buy it.
>I am not talking about figuring out about it being bad or not
You're fucking retarded. Kill yourself you waste of space.
>>338028748
Yeah, Yeah. Keep making those petitions and maybe they'll port bloodborne. LOL
>>338028916
Keep making those petitions and maybe they'll remove any reviews that hurt your feelings LMAO
You are beyond pathetic.
>>338027904
Once a game is sold to the end user, it's no longer just the devs game. In other words, once the work is sold to the end user, the dev's interest in the actual data in which their copyrighted work is embodied is exhausted. This is why used sales are still legal.
You're arguing for the right of devs to render their game unplayable for everyone else even people who bought it because the dev made it. If you honestly believe no one should be able to play a game if the dev decides after putting it out on the market then you are irredeamable scum who should be lined up and shot against the wall.
>>338029163
didn't read lol
>>338029048
Dont need to. But you might. Fucking beggar race.
>>338028649
Where did you say anything about a demo? Why are you moving the goalposts
>>338028724
So you don't make up your mind to buy a game based on whether it's bad or not.
Way to shoot yourself in the foot you dumb nigger.
>>338029210
Yes you do. Those petitions don't exist for no reason
Begging for companies to DELETE THIS because you hate a review or port is infintely more pathetic than any port begging. You're a worthless subhuman. Stay mad.
>>338029209
Don't worry I'm used to people here ignoring entire arguments because they can't come up with a proper retort.
Thanks for conceeding the argument faggot.
this thread sucked
goodbye
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