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Which is better?
>>337983612
wolfenstein obviously
>>337983612
Wolfenstein for story, Doom for gameplay
>>337983612
TNO
>>337983612
Doom is way better.
No sliding no dual wielding no stupid story
>>337983612
Wolf.
Wolfenstien 100%
>>337983612
Doom, but they're both great.
Wolfenstein unless you like being locked into rooms with enemies teleporting in repeated ad nauseam
Wolfenstien 100% nigga
>>337983612
Doom
>>337983707
>playing games for the story
>>337983612
If DOOM had overheal and better gamepad configuration settings then I'd choose DOOM but Wolfenstein is the better game right now
>>337984306
>Dual wielding shotguns is somehow a negative
>>337984789
>2016
>playing FPS with a gamepad
>>337983612
Shadow Warrior.
>>337983612
Compared to DOOM, TNO is fucking slow. The story is tolerable but they nailed the gunplay in DOOM, plus DOOM2016guy mimicks my view on the story in most shooters: I don't give a fuck
Doom
>>337983707
Wolfenstein story is atrocious
Plus it's a fucking shooter who cares about story
>>337984895
>playing Singleplayer games with mouse/keyboard
Who are you trying to impress?
>>337984708
faggot
>>337984952
Not even close
Wolfenstien seems "better" but DOOM is significantly more fun. So DOOM. More replayable by a mile and refreshingly fast.
DOOM since it has better gameplay.
>>337984789
Wolfenstein overheal is pretty much meaningless though. It ticks down too fast. What the fuck were they thinking this isn't quake 3
>>337983612
D44M
>>337983612
Doom. If I had to rate:
TNO is a 7.5
Doom is a 9
>>337984952
Why is everyone comparing this to Doom and TNO? It's like comparing A racing game to a fighting game
>>337985049
>being an auto-aim babby
I bet your first playthrough wasn't on ultra-violent
The Old Blood
>>337983612
D44m > Shadow Warrior >>>>>> TNO
>>337983612
They're both the most surprisingly good games I've played in a long time
New Wolfenstein when?
Blazkowicz's voice gives me a boner.
>>337983707
>jew concrete
>peanut-butter american complaining that americans are just like nazis
>more jew tech hidden deep in the ocean
>nazis are bad
what a great story.
>>337985124
That perk which required sneak kills with overheal
TNO all the way
>>337985176
Shadow warrior has more in common with doom than doom has with tno.
>>337985237
>New Wolfenstein
There was Old Blood expansion
>>337985237
Wolfenstein expansion just came out a couple months ago
The Old Blood is better than both
>>337985176
No, it's comparing a reboot of a classic FPS to a reboot of a classic FPS to a reboot of a classic FPS.
>>337985176
Because they're all modern reboots to classic fps games?
DOOM >>> Wolf 3D
RTCW >> DOOM 3 >>>>> WOLF 09
DOOM > TNO
>>337985060
>f-faggot
If they focused 99% on the gameplay instead of the story TNO might have been good, instead we got decent gunplay that was unfortunately ruined by a ham-fisted story and cutscenes. Wolfenstein games always had a minimal story; infiltrate this place destroy the objective / kill the baddie. If they had named the game "Inglorious Bastards" I would have been fine with it because that's what it reminds me of.
>>337983612
>Seriously asking
Of course it's Wolfenstein. Don't get me wrong, Doom is also suprisingly good, but Wolfenstein wins with all the tiny details all over it.
>>337983612
Shadow Warrior
>>337983612
DOOM crack when? I don't want to pay 60$ for a game that probably won't run properly on my PC
>>337985369
>>337985432
be real niggas for something to be classic it would actually have to be popular
shadow warrior is not popular
tno barely qualifies as a reboot the latest game came out 6 years prior
Duke nukem forever
>>337983612
http://www.strawpoll.me/10242011
keep it fair /v/
>>337983612
The intro in Wolfenstein where it jumps 14 years gave me a raging boner. Thought I was gonna play during 1946 the whole game.
And the menu music is god tier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kur41flzdQ
>>337985459
Finally someone with good taste ITT.
Both are good, but Doom wins because Wolfenstein had a bit too much unnecessary story in it. Not that much that it would ruin it, but enough that the game felt a bit dragging at times.
>>337983612
DOOM is what I wanted TNO to be.
>>337985459
Rollercoaster tycoon world isn't even out yet and retards are already saying it's better than other games
>>337984952
I would have liked it otherwise, but the guns felt too weak. And that's a fatal flaw in a game like that.
>>337985531
What are you trying to run it on, a toaster?
>>337985857GTX 750
>>337985176
No it isn't. Both are shooters and despite the far lengthier plot bits, Wolf TNO and TOB's fighting parts are very much in the same spirit - Open arenas with caches of armor and ammo lying around, and there's even a large melee takedown focus in both (with extra health gained too, like in Doom). Larger fights in TNO will involve the more sci-fi enemies like drones, Ubersoldats or Panzerhunds alongside smaller regular nazi enemies and they can feel quite a bit like combat set pieces from the new Doom. The set piece before the tram in TOB is a great example, there's easily 30+ enemies on that section
>>337985845
>that's a fatal flaw in a game like that.
More like flaw in marketing, the game was clearly aiming to be more melee than shooting action
>>337985845
It's designed around the sword, the guns are there to weaken massive hordes of weak enemies
>>337984952
Patrician taste you got there, anon. Shadow Warrior was the fucking shit. The sequel comes out this year too.
>>337986156
>The sequel comes out this year too.
>open world
>side quests
>randomly generated
>gameplay looks fucking great
not sure how to feel
>People saying Wolfenstein
>Cutscenes everywhere
>"Stealth" sections
>Retarded AI which walks into walls and can't see the player unless he is virtually next to them
>Boss fights which need to be done in a specific way
>Energy weapons continually requiring a recharge
>Having to press E to pick up each individual weapon, health pack or armor piece
>Weapons which are completely imbalanced, the grenade launcher is practically required to take down the hardest enemies or else you will die
>Ridiculous underwater jew and nazi space segments
>Linear as fuck
>The entire opening sequence on the plane
The New Order was a fucking disgrace but because of the Kaiden / Ashley styled introductory choice people are willing to defend it
Only thing I didn't like about TNO was being forced into stealth because storming everything while dual wielding shotguns wouldn't get you far
>>337985926
What's the point even? You might as well burn cash
>>337983612
Wolf was pretty gud but focused on story too much, to the point that it got in the way of gameplay
Doom doesn't give that much of a fuck about story and is 99% about gameplay
so Doom
>>337985237
Knowing Bethesda they'll try to get id to make a new quake
>>337986387
What does that have to do with new wolfenstein though, id didn't make that.
>>337986387
>>337986453
wolfenstein is id's property
>>337986325
If it can run on a PS4, it can definitely run on my PC, the GPU is by far the weakest part
![FD4D95AAF4ADCE96E8043D3DF4BEE843788FAC2F[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/bVkkFc6.jpg "FD4D95AAF4ADCE96E8043D3DF4BEE843788FAC2F[1]")
>>337983612
Doom because it canonizes hDoom.
>>337986238
It's got co-op, too. I'm fucking stoked because the levels aren't going to be linear like the 2013 release. Can basically double jump my way across rooftops however the fuck I want while using claws to snikt some bubs and whatnot.
It looks ridiculously good. Hopefully there's a good stand-in for Hoji, too. He was a bro. Broji.
Why did Doom look so shitty in the trailers, but turn out so good?
>>337985269
Perhaps the silliness of TNO is its own charm. Although yeah, SECRET JEW SCIENCE IS IT REAL OR FAKE is absurd as fuck.
>>337984306
>shitting on dual-wielding auto shotguns
It's like you don't want to turn everyone into fine red mist. There were stuff I didn't like in TNO but Dual Wielding and some of the movement options weren't bad at all.
>>337986658
The trailers were mostly multiplayer? And not actual gameplay from the campaign
>>337985331
Anon... Time flies. The expansion: The Old Blood has been out since last year May.
![1232532-quake-desktop-wallpapers[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/JGIdjHz.jpg "1232532-quake-desktop-wallpapers[1]")
2018
>>337986658
Trailer showed off the worst parts of the game to please the Brutal Doom gore whores
>>337986658
They were focusing on the glory kills too much, and even though they said "You really don't have to do these, you guys" nobody actually believed them, myself included. Turns out you actually DON'T need to do them, but they're still worth doing when you have the "Longer glory kill trigger range, faster glory kill animation, haste after glory kill" rune setup. You rip and tear some little imp with an animation that's faster than the Doom 1 fist and then you use the speed boost to shove your cock in a thicc mancubus.
>>337985459
Was Wolf '09 that bad?
>>337986943
My perception of time is going to complete shit
jesus christ
>>337983707
>wolfen(((stein))) for story
>>337987224nno
>>337987224
It really wasn't bad, but it didn't have much to separate it at the time from the sea of endless brown n bloom shooters with iron sights and progression. Just came across as bland.
>>337987151
If they make a new Quake and it goes back to the Quake 1 style of weird-ass levels and dimension hopping with Cthulhu shit instead of Quake 2 and beyond's dumbass strogg I will be so happy anonymous.
So happy.
>>337985269
This. I put it down around the time Jimmy Hendricks and BJ got high together.
>>337987364
It wont though, quake the shooter was never meant to be medieval cosmic horror clusterfuck, that setting was reserved for an entirely different game
>>337987364
I guarantee Quake is definitely next up on the list for id. especially if doom is received well enough.
>>337987520
Shh anon, no reality. Only dreams now.
>>337987364
The Templar Knights from Doom 4 really look like some shit out of Quake. Maybe we'll get a cross-over/teaser in the upcoming DLC/sequel.
>>337987224
I didn't like it. Hub based pseudo open world design outside of missions just killed the pace for me. Guns didn't feel great.
Who owns hexen?
Hexen 3 when?
I liked the story in TNO mostly because I loved all the characters and their interactions.That shit with the nurse and the diary got me misty.I haven't even played the timeline with Tekla or Old Blood yet but the story was on point to me.
>>337987635
And maybe the robed figure looking over the Doom Guy in that one drawing will be related to Heretic/Hexen.
THE HAPPENINGS HAVE ONLY JUST BEGUN
>>337983612
They are basically on the same level. Wolfenstein for story though, it has a LOT of alternate history awesome crap in it. Doom has amazing visuals though and faster paced combat.
A lot of people mistake TNO's story for other parts of its narrative. The actual plot was pretty boring, but BJ was such a lovable goofball psycho that it made up for everything else. His grizzly and occasionally psychopathic monologues contrasted his persistent dumbness made him really fun. The alt history was usually interesting too. Other than that, the story was very bland "resistance is good; Nazi bad" fare.
>>337984708
Shitty hair
>>337984952
Fun but all but the pistol and sword felt like shit.
>>337987520
Sometimes I still wish the OG id team got to make that original Quake concept of you being the most OP Motherfucker Ogre ever with you beating up medieval monsters and maybe Lovecraftian horrors.
>>337987749
Is Raven Software still alive? Are they still stuck being a support dev crew for Multiplayer shooters?
>>337987816
> Hexen remake complete with really shitty switch hunts complete with switches that "open a door... somewhere"
You know what? Fuck it, fund it why not
>>337987816the robed figure is you
>>337988030
Raven software is owned by activision
Does that mean what i think it means
>>337987816
Isn't it kind of up for debate just who the armored robe guy is? Like isn't it possible that the Doom 4 guy is actually an ancient immortal being considering you start off chained up in a sarcophagus?
>>337983612
Doom for map design and no reload, Wolfenstein TNO for everything else.
The New Blood sucks ass, but still fun 5.5/10 nonetheless.
>Wolfenstein sequel that subtly hints that Hitler's scientists has successfully completed an Argent accumulator prototype
>Mecha-Hitler and the occult return
>>337988361
>tno has better combat than d44m
nigga
>>337988437
>prototype Doomguy is a secret boss
>you can't win
>>337988437
>Mecha-Hitler and the occult return
> Except in the German version
:^)
>>337988453
Bro, nothing can beat sliding while dual wielding combat shotgun to shot a nazi.
>>337987151
But this game would have to actually have multiplayer worthy of the Quake name. That's a challenge way harder than to mimic a classic FPS campaign.
>>337988310
It's possible. Some anons have been debating it but the game doesn't exactly spell it out definitively. The two main theories are either you're some ancient medieval badass Doom Guy who ran around hell forever until they dropped a temple on you, or you're the Doom 1/2/64 Doom Guy and there's a single hell that touches multiple dimensions and you got your super Doom Slayer immortal powers at some point in Doom 1 or 2, probably 1 where you die and go to hell in episode 1.
>>337988606
They have the engine, and the mechanics are probably already there. It's all in how they'll implement itor how they'll not butcher it
Should it happen, of course.
>>337988606
Outsource it to the Doom communityHave Esselfortium lead the development of multiplayer
>>337985845
>>337987921
But the gunplay in SW was amazing
Delete your awful posts
>>337988606
D44m multiplayer is closer to a classic arena shooter than its singleplayer is to a classic campaign though.
Be honest with me here. Should I buy DOOM right now?
>>337988886
nobody knows how much neetbux you got faggot
>>337988845
I barely used the guns in Shadow Warrior. Mostly used the sword
>>337988886
if you got the money go for it, it's great. if you're thrifty, hold off until a sale.
>>337988886
If you can still get it from key sellers for around $30 sure. If you're talking $60, no. As much as I'm enjoying it I wouldn't say it's worth $60 since the multiplayer's pretty bad and snapmap is still really iffy.
>>337988886
its gonna win goty awards out the ass
im having so much fun
How long is the campaign ~ in Doom?
There are a number of unknown characters who were referenced in nuDoom that we know nothing about
>The Titan
Some super demon that almost proved to be a challenge for Doomguy and was the final straw before Hell decided this guy was too much for them
>The Seraphim
Probably all there is to it. A holy being that gave Doomguy his speed and physical strength to aid in his unholy genocide.
>The "Unmentionable" Demon
A rogue demon who aided Doomguy by giving him demonic armor and a demonic sword (assumed to be the Crucible)
>>337988845
The gunplay? Fuck no, that shit was awful. The swordplay was great though.
>>337989207
exactly 10 hours
>>337989207
About 8 hours for me. Didn't go secret hunting though, so I missed a lot of shit.
![2FAFB513BAEBFA2427C35717474F2178E73113F8[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/FeFxfCs.jpg "2FAFB513BAEBFA2427C35717474F2178E73113F8[1]")
>>337989207
Probably 6-10 hours on ultraviolence not obsessively secret hunting. 15-20 hours on nightmare and obsessively secret hunting.
>>337989238
The titan is most likely Bubba here.
>>337989238
Titan is Mother Demon
>>337989238
isn't the titan the the final boss from Doom 2?
>>337989207
~8-12 hours depending on ez to nightmare, secret hunting, and weapon point unlocks.
>>337989207
If you just follow the mission objectives, you can finish each map in 15-20 minutes
Why were there tons of sarcophagi laying around the UAC?
What happened to all their bodies?
Who the fuck else is Hell keeping entombed?
>>337989350
where the fuck is this in the game?
>>337989238
If they make a Doom 5 I wouldn't mind seeing them put the Icon of Sin in somewhere. It may have been a let down in Doom 2 but considering they wouldn't be dealing with the technical limitations of the original Doom engine it could be pretty neat.Also pants shittingly terrifying
>>337989416
Doom 2's final boss is one of the most iconic video game bosses if only because its so shitty, how do you not know this
>>337989659
Icon of Sin is in Doom 4
>>337983707
>he plays VIDEOGAMES for the story
>>337989653
The crucible. The map just before Vega-core.
>>337989659
Bruh, look up. >>337989350
>>337989659
Doom 3 has an icon of sin in it. It's slightly better but still shit. Yeah it's a mod but can't imagine it being any better if a professional did it.
>>337989723
Yeah I just noticed that. Disregard what I just said. I'm a faggot who loves dicks and just can't seem to get enough dicks shoved in my anus at the same time to satisfy me
>>337989350
I found the Icon, but how did you get it to shoot cubes? Do they spawn monsters?
>>337989578
The Doom Slayer - Slayer
>>337989723
>>337989783
you don't fight it
>>337989831
I did what any self respecting Doom Guy would do and whipped out my rocket launcher and shot him in the brain, which made THE NOISE and launched the cube.Just one cube, and it spawns one of the Doom Guy toys. Also counts as a secret.
>>337989952
>THE NOISE
demon voice or the scream?
I like both.
I would be asspained at the cost of DOOM but I got that TNO expansion with it so whatever
>>337989238
you see the remains of the titan in one of the hell levels, I think. Some say it is the icon of sin from doom 2.
>>337990036
The "FWEEESH" sound when it launches a cube.
>>337990036
>>337990127
It also does the backwards voice right before launching the cube.
>>337990127
lame
>>337983612
>Wolfenstein, An original game with an amazing story
>DOOM, Now including master chief DLC
Obvious.
>Hellshot, Vortex Rifle, Static Rifle, and Lightening Gun aren't in the campaign
Seriously, the last 2-3 levels could have used a new weapon, demon, mechanic, or something. It was fun but the momentum was really slowing down.
>>337989783
I'd prefer something more... alive. Something that looks like a hideous abomination of flesh and machinery hooked up on a sort of life support system that's writhing and thrashing around. The ending text describes the icon of sin with limbs thrashing about, destroying Hell as it dies. I'm thinking a the upper body of a gargantuan demon that makes Doomguy look like an ant fused to the wall with tubes extruding from it and giant limbs that could easily swat you like a fly.
>>337990036
The backwards "you have to kill john romero to win the game" voice.
DOOM
>>337990416
Wait, Lightning Gun ain't in the main campaign? That's a shame. Back in beta that was my favorite weapon.
>>337990086
That really wouldn't make sense though. If it took place after Doom 2 then there wouldn't be a Hell because the Icon of Sin basically destroyed Hell when it died.
Wolfenstein is better overall, especially comparing Uber to Nightmare difficulty. Doom's Nightmare difficulty is literally just monster damage turned up.
It took me half the game to realize that it's pointless to save ammo in D44m for the more powerful guns since the game literally shits it out at every corner
Disappointing
>>337990723
Enemies are a lot more aggressive in Nightmare as well. They never stop fucking moving and jumping around. Plus, they use their "super" attacks more often.
>>337988775
>outsource Quake to the Doom community
Why not the fucking Quake community??
>>337990672
>"Hell has many dimensions, Doomboy"
>>337983612
Doom of course this isn't even a fair fight op.
>>337990854
>Quake community
Good joke anon
>>337988863
Kinda backwards senpai. D44MP is 2 weapon limit spawn loadout bullshit. That's as far from classic arena shooter as it gets.
Fucking Halo is closer to a classic arena shooter than that shit.
>>337983612
wolfenstein was fun
DOOM wasn't
i'm calling this now but bethesda's gonna head down the path of EA
>>337990723
>Uber
anybody experience the glitch where all weapon/ammo/health items disappear in the map upon death or loading last checkpoint? The map right after BJ crashlands on earth after fucking up the moon base
Both are great. I like Wolfenstein more.
TNO feels like a sequel while being extremely faithful at the same time.
DOOM is blatant pandering.
>>337990959
Yes, they make crazy fucking shit.
>>337991032
>i'm calling this now but bethesda's gonna head down the path of EA
Actually make good games?
>>337991150
>DOOM is blatant pandering.
Did you even play it?
It has it's flaws, but was far from "blatant pandering"that might have just been bait and I'm getting to old to understand it.
Ultra-Violence or Nightmare?
>>337989238
>The Seraphim
My headcanon is that the demons made this shit up because they had no way to explain how Doomguy could keep kicking their asses without some kind of divine help.
>>337991283
I assume he's talking about the merry little E1M1 jingles on the collectables, the original games secret maps, the songs that are redone versions of the original songs, the less direct references like still-beating hearts sitting on pedestals and strung up and mutilated barons of hell, etc.
>>337991401
I started on ultra-violence and wish I was on nightmare 3/4 of the way through the game.
>>337991401
Nightmare if you fully want to git gud, UV if you wanna rip and tear without playing for maximum efficiency (Which is to say using the super shotty 99% of the time against everything) for funsies.
>>337991283
Did you even read my post? I like both games a lot. I just like Wolfenstein more because it feels like natural evolution of the series instead of DOOM's "uhh people like doom 1 and 2 more than 3 so let's do that again but prettier."
>>337991429
>headcanon
>>337984952
Linear garbage.
>>337991542
I'm starting on Nightmare and getting annoyed by every hit doing 50+ damage.
>>337991401
Ultra Violence for first playthrough seems alright, Nightmare is pretty challenging, tho I am trying ultra-nightmare right now and god damn I can't get past the second level.
>>337991608
Since the Seraphim is not really mentioned outside the Slayer's Testaments what else is there?
>>337991401
I played on ultra-violenceI thought nightmare was locked because it was red
>>337984857
You got a point there
>>337991429
>IDDQD
>>337991726
same here anon
what exactly is d44m guy supposed to be? he's clearly not a regular human
>>337984857
Well it makes the double barrel fucking useless for one
>>337992002
A regular human who's had a whole lifetime of kicking Hell's ass, leaving hell, then doing it all over again, which has slowly eroded his mind until now where he knows nothing but violence.
>>337988715
I like to think that you're the doom guy from the end of Doom 2 in the new Doom. When you killed the massive demon at the end of 2 it states you're trapped in hell. The demons in hell, fearing your power trap you in the sarcophagus and since time passes different in the hell dimensions it's like thousands of years have passd for you.
UAC come reclaim thier wrecked Mars base and start experiments with hell energy and that's where the new doom starts.
>>337992105
he is too strong to be human
>>337990416
Yeah, I didn't understand that either. It would have been great to have a few more guns to play around with. Otherwise you really only end up using the same 3-4 weapons anyway, with half of the weapon mods since some of them are so situational they're useless.
>>337992120
it is. Doom 1, 2, and apparently 64, are all canon, in fact, all the wads are too, and this is that same doomguy. this is just another universe he's woken up in
Neither, as they have both been dead since Doom 2 and Wolfenstein 3D respectively.
Not a single game in either series since has been on the same level. They're done and dead shovelware shit now.
>>337992105
I don't think he knows nothing but violence. He's so pissed at Hayden because he knows exactly what fucking happened. The UAC is pulling their shit again, and they didn't learn the first time. That's why he smashes the communicator. The demons are loose and he has to clean up their fucking mess. It's why he destroys their tech. He doesn't want them trying to get into Hell again.
>>337992152
Demon lore states that Doomguy was blessed by The Seraphim who gave him his strength and speed. He was given his armor from a traitorous demon.
>>337992284
doom 64 was better than doom 2
>>337992294
>I don't think he knows nothing but violence.
Then why is he so mean to Upgrade Bot-chan?
Doom crack when?
>>337992002
>very strong ass kicking human
>rips and tears through hell several times
>decides to stay in hell and fight demons for all eternity
>god decides that he's a pretty cool guy, high fives him, and imbues him with speed and strength
>some demon who doesn't want to get punched to death by Doomguy decides to betray his kind and make him a suit imbued with demonic power
>Doomguy spends an eternity kicking demon ass until finally the demons say fuck this
>seal him into some sarcophagus, Doom 4 happens sometime after that
I think that's what happened anyway. I've seen some things saying hes one of the night sentinels too.
>>337992453
Because he doesn't have time for its bullshit. The bot isn't going to give up the weapon mod without "payment" and Doomguy clearly has no credit.
>>337992284
>implying RTCW and also ET weren't based as fuck
>>337987520
And yet it turned out a better setting than what they ended up going with.
>>337992490
Denever
>>337992562
But you already paid anyway using upgrade points.
>>337992453
Also he fistbumps the Doomguy-colored Doombuddy figure. He's the only one left he can trust.Also, VEGA apparently. I'm guessing VEGA will be Doomguy's Cortana in the next entry.
>>337992453
because fuck that little shit. he deserves to be punched by doomguy for only letting him take one weapon mod at a time.
>>337983612
Wolfenstein by far. Doom was an embarrassment.
>>337984708
>>337985048
>>337987329
>>337989758
hey /v/ do i fit in yet? xdxd
>>337992676
You don't pay for weapon mods at all. The drone says "Purchase" but you have nothing to purchase them with. Doomguy just steals the mod he wants.
It's pretty subtle and pretty funny.
>>337992640
Lovecraftian themes are severely underused or at least misused so it's not difficult to make something interesting out of it, plus the medieval thing fits right in with it
>>337985072
I tried replaying TNO in parts to get 100%, but every single chapter starts with a long "you have camera control" (read: you can't skip this) cutscene. DOOM has a few, but they're all in the first few levels.
>>337992794
Well maybe if he was nice to it it would let him get more than one. But no, his first thank you was a fist to the eye sensor, and so he became a stingy little fuck in return
>>337992868
Then what are the upgrade points for? Just the suit?
>>337985049
>impress
if you play with autoaim you literally arent even playing the game
>>337992868
>The drone says "Purchase"
Where? When?
>>337992928
Weapon upgrade points upgrade the weapon mods you steal from the Drones. Suit upgrade points upgrade your suit abilities.
>>337992531
If the story stays that simple. future games might actually stay good
>>337987224
no, and if it was released today it'd be better received than TNO
ROTT 2013
Shadow Warrior fags need not apply. Your game is slow and and full of memes.
>>337992976
When you're selecting a mod from the Drones. You click the one you want and click "Purchase" at the bottom, or "Cancel".
>>337985272
Half the perks were annoying. If you don't get the "2 kills 1 grenade" perk in the prologue, it's a BITCH to get it later. Mid-game enemies don't die to one grenade half the time, so you have to damage two guys, hope they stay near each other, while under fire, then hope neither can dodge the grenade.
>>337984708
Classic Jojo poster being a retard memer
>>337993090
ROTT was so faithful to the original that it only reminded everyone that the original was terrible.
>>337986658
The game's marketing was basically Beth shooting themselves in the foot.
>singleplayer footage has a slower pace than the actual game
>more focus on less-than-stellar multiplayer
>disastrous beta
I think you guys should buy both
>>337993049
if there are any doom games in the near future they are obviously going to stay simple, who knows what the next reboot will look like though
>>337993253
I should have trusted you, Marty. Bethesda really pulled a Nintendo and did a fucking terrible job at showcasing what turned out to be a fantastic game.
>>337986658
bad marketing
>>337993060
Absolutely not.
It was literally a world at war port in the Wolfenstein universe. It was ass.
>>337993090
Pretty much what >>337993209 said
Jesus fucking christ the devs could've at least picked a more interesting franchise if they were going full autist on it
>>337993425
The devs responsible for ROTT were originally planning on Duke Nukem 3D Reloaded. Gearbox stopped them.
>>337983612
the peak of doom's difficulty became midgame i feel, towards the end you had too many upgrades and weapons to get into trouble. then the final boss comes so abruptly it's almost anti-climatic and ending is supposed to be some kind of cliffhanger/sequel bait.
still a better game than tno by far.
>>337986658
Either
>Fuckin' Bethesda/Zenimax/Marketing
That or they focused too much on Multiplayer and Glory Kills, which did feel shitty.
>>337993531
Apparently, from what I've read, Gearbox is also being a massive fuckwad about the rights to Douk
>>337993339
Marty haha who's that?
I'm just a friendly /v/ user!
Did you guys try out SnapMap™ i think it's awesome!
>>337987520
>quake the shooter was never meant to be medieval cosmic horror clusterfuck
Quake the "shooter" was never supposed to be a thing. Quake 2 was originally going to be its own ip.
>>337993807
I hear snapmap has a 12 monster and 2 weapon limit
Friendly /v/ user please tell me this is bullshit
>>337992531
>We can't kill him! Its unpossible!
>Holy shit we actually managed to trap the fucker.
>Better keep him alive just in case.
>>337993807
You seem more of a better guy than that Todd fellow.
>>337985049
Some people actually find keyboard+mouse controls more comfy than a controller.
>>337993990
That would mean sending someone in to kill him. Not possible.
>>337983612
Doom is a game with absolutely no personality, made by a team of incompetent and passionless nobodies. Everything about the game is shoddy. The animations, enemy designs, sound effects, half-assed approach to the "old school" gameplay, etc. It is the biggest example yet of a bad game that is being carried by the name slapped on the box.
Wolfenstein actually had some intelligence and creativity behind it. It's a memorable game that seems like it was made by people who cared. For that alone it is a hundred times better than Doom.
>>337993978
Not sure about monsters but the 2 weapon limit is real. But it can be bypassed, apparently.
>>337993990
demons are like the space pirates of the Doom universe.
>>337994094
Someone managed to stuff him into the treasure chest and got his jammies ready for when he woke up.
>>337985176
Shadow Warrior 2013 and Doom 2016 are VERY similar games, actually.
>>337983612
Wolfenstein is a great reimagining of an action packed classic.
Doom is a great great reboot bringing classic fps design into the modern era.
Both are great. Buy and play them.
>>337993990
>>Better keep him alive just in case.
well, I mean, they tried killing him already.
he just ended up in hell. if they kill him he'll just go to hell and they are back at square 1
>>337993996
I know right? He was giving Fallout™ 4 a bad name.
>>337991682
What if Seraphim is the player.
>>337994109
Did denuvo rip and tear your bumhole anon
>>337983612
I enjoyed TNO, but it is a bit overrated by people here. The emphasis on plot was a double edged sword; while the characters were surprisingly likeable, the story was poor and it hurt the pacing quite a bit. The enemy designs were also fairly weak and the difficulty skewed low. It was still a solid game, and far better than the awful 2009 Wolfenstein, but Doom tops it in pretty much every way.
I am hoping we get more Wolfenstein from MachineGames though.
I like how Rise of The Triad was easily the fastest game posted ITT, yet is probably the shittiest in every other regard.
>>337994264
>Doom 2016
>classic FPS design
Fuck off, you 14 year old idiot.
>>337993978
What? i think its a great mechanic to make it more playable for console!
we wouldn't want those folks to be having a bad time now do we?
>>337994298
He even forced us- i MEAN id into putting a skyrim Easter egg into id's game
>>337994279
>Sent to his own personal super-hell
>Everyone is kind and deals with their problems through communication and friendship
>Not a single demon to rip and tear
Can we ever have actually good level design and not just this arena shit like d44m and shadow warrior?
>>337983612
TNO hands down especially with the DLC missions.
It's just a much more interesting game.
>>337994617
>yet another person who hasn't played the game
>inb4 he posts that screencap pretending he beat it on nightmare
>>337985186
>>337992960
You can turn the auto aim off, which any decent human being would do. I had it off the entire time and got through Nightmare fine.
this game is purdy.
There hasn't been a good single-player FPS since Unreal. There hasn't been a great single-player FPS since Quake 1.
And there hasn't been a perfect, godlike, ultimate FPS since... the original Doom.
Fight me, /v/. You know it's true.
>>337994685
The Foundry level in the beginning was a really big step in the right direction. Then it went back to being completely linear.
>>337994845
You're wrong.
>>337994838
>that choir OST that sings during hell levels
>>337994845
>he never played return to castle wolfenstein
get a load of this faggot
>>337994940
>zero exploration
>>337983707
When will this meme about Wolfenstein TNO having a good story end? I don't get it.
The romance in that game between BJ and that nurse girl was one of the most forced, arbitrary and undeveloped things I've ever seen in any medium. Not even remotely believable.
>tfw Doomguy backs up VEGA because he knows he can trust him since he was willing to sacrifice himself to stop the demons
>>337994971
Link?
>>337995182
I dunno about unbelievable, but it was pretty stupid and forced for the purpose of the game's story.
>>337994940
FEAR was at least decent. It suffered from corridoritis and being too far up its own story asshole, but at least the mechanics were good. It still wasn't on the Good level like Unreal.
>>337995000
RtCW wasn't that great, honestly. It had its moments, but was it as good as any classic FPS?
Fuck no. Even Wolf3d was better.
>>337994845
>>337995068
If it's exploration you're after then bioshock 2 is the last truly great fps
There hasn't been a game with better vertical level design hardly ever before or since in an fps
>>337983612
Wolfenstein was better imo, and I thought that one was mediocre.
>Enter Neo-Doom
>>337995259
Yeah, honestly I think people are confusing "story" with "concept" and "setting". The alternate history stuff is great, but the actual plot and characters of the game are largely rubbish and quite forgettable.
The game also has a good cinematic style, which once again, normies confuse for story.
>>337995328
I played the original Bioshock and they couldn't even get decent goddamn FPS controls right. It felt clumsy and glitchy as all hell. How the fuck do you mess up FPS controls? Seriously?
>>337995068
Who cares? I play shooters for the gameplay, not to walking into walls spamming the Use button until a closet with a piece of armor opens.
>>337995328
I like Bioshock 2 alot, but the game isn't exactly fast
>>337995495
>How the fuck do you mess up FPS controls? Seriously?
>Entire_console_fps_market.gif
>>337994845
>Deus Ex
>Half-life
>No One Lives Forever
>Soldier of Fortune
>System Shock 2
>Thief
>All came after Unreal
>>337995182
>>337995259
It was pretty clear it was lust not romance
Dumb virginposters
>>337995543
Nobody was talking about speed
>>337983612
DOOM.
>>337994845
What is Metro 2033 and Last Light.
>>337995328
Dishonored had some exploration.
>>337995653
damn waste of potential
could you possibly be more linear
>mfw BFG Division played for the first time during a large fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNkQMtZAMAw
>>337995553
Oh wow.
>Deusex
Probably the most decent game on your list, but gets marred by poor execution through the entire game where it tries to force you into doing stealth bullshit in a FPS so many goddamn times, and that gets old.
>half-life
Oh god, no. God no. Linear as fuck, story-heavy bullshit that is probably the most overrated PC game ever. It's the PC equivalent of goddamn Halo. Garbage.
>NOLF
It was... okay?
>SoF
Kerfuffle FUCK YA WAR bullshit.
>SS2
Much like DE, it fails at trying to be a decent FPS when it diverges into its own bullshit.
>Thief
Clumsy, poorly done trash.
>>337995751
>>337995828
>muh linearity
You remind me of a guy I work with who will not play any game that isn't open world. He said Wicher 2 was unplayable because it wasn't truly open world. Skyrim is his favorite game.
Basically you're a fag.
>>337985176
It's a classic FPS reboot that's not total shit.
Speaking of which does anyone else think the new homefront could've taken design tips from The New Order rather than go the tedious far cry rote?
Still keep with the grim serious atmosphere but accept the absurdity of the premise and give the Koreans Mechs and super soldiers.
>>337983612
D44M because it atleast resembles a older shooter in a few really fun ways. Wolfenstein basically becomes COD on higher difficulties because hit scan enemies at later levels will make you swiss cheese if you don't play the game as a turtle pace. Where as D44M single player rewards you the faster you move around the arenas.
>>337995495
Huh? The controls werent any different to most FPSs
>>337995598
>last truly great fps
Speed is an important factor for that title, yes
>>337995771
Wub dadadad wub wub WUUUB adadadadadada wuuuubbbb dadada wub wub dadadadadadadadad wwuuubbb *DROPS DA BASS* WUB WUB dadadadadadad wuuub WUB dadadadada *EPIC BASS DROP AGAIN*
Best OST of all time?
>>337995882
are you telling me metro wouldn't be a thousand times better if it was more open? no one is saying it has to be open world you fucknut
>>337995751
>Could you possibly be more linear
Err, yes? By a long way, in fact. Sure, it's not muh open world or labyrinthine level design like doom, but you get to off the main, beaten path fairly regularly to hunt down resources and what-not, especially during the surface portions.
>>337995828
>>337994845
You're making us Unreal fans look bad with your autism/falseflagging.
Please escort yourself to the nearest gas chamber.
>>337995882
non-linear level design and open world are two different design philosophies, stop it
>>337995885
I'm kind of curious? How was that new Homefront game? All I remember of it was a Timesplitters 2 Reference and RC Bombs
>>337995936
Exploration and level design is more important
With speed you only get shit like rise of the triad
>>337994635
Two weapon limit has nothing to do with consoles. Snap map is running on the multiplayer engine, which is why the limit us there.
>>337995936
Not really. FPS isn't defined as a Run n Gun slaughterfest.
>>337995882
You're seriously not sick of being led down a fucking single winding corridor in FPS games? Seriously?
My god, it's horrible. Even a little bit of variety would be acceptable. Fucking HL might as well have a big goddamn arrow pointing you towards where you need to go with a voice saying "Okay, Gordon, follow the arrow! We need you to proceed down this fucking path to make our carefully scripted clusterfuck of a game actually work!"
Jesus. This isn't gaming. This is storytelling. Go watch a movie.
>>337995975
Being "more open" doesn't necessarily mean it would be any better. Linearity is not an inherently bad thing, being open isn't inherently good.
Metro sucked because the shooting sucked.
>Cyberdemon doesn't become a enemy that appears later on with less life and just the rockets for his attack.
Why? Why did they do this it would've been so easy and worked once you went back to hell and there were more of them.
Just like Doom 3 the most disappointing aspect is the lack of cybees
>>337994845
Doom 2 and Doom 64 are better than the original Doom.
>>337995828
>all this shit taste
kys
>>337994685
good level design would probably look too much like a video game and you can't have that
>>337988223
>>337988030
They do CoD map packs now.
HAHAHAHAHA
Fuck everything
>>337996098
Yeah I don't want corridors and I don't want open world. I want D&D nerds to make fucking mazes and campaigns again. I want the world to engage me like the enemies do. I fucking want more than one thing to think about.
>>337996098
Would you say the same thing about Super Mario World? Another "disgustingly linear" game? Open world faggots have ruined enough series, we don't need everything to be free roam trash.
>>337996209
Doom 2's level design is hot garbage for an entire third of the game.
>>337996191
At least d44m had mastermind. Where the fuck my arachnotrons at.
>>337996191
At least the Doom 3 Cyberdemon looked cool. The new one is horrible.
>>337996236
yeah this is how i felt when i found out a few years ago
raven are fuckin legends of fps design too.
>>337996354
but levels prior to that are mostly so good that it's still better
new weapon and enemies just seal the deal
>>337996370in a The Old Blood-styled standalone expansion come probably next year.
>>337983707
>Wolfenstein for story
jesus christ
>>337996209
>Doom 2
>Better then Ultimate Doom
Comical. UDoom had like 3 shit levels out of 36 maps. Doom 2 lets look at it
Map 1 good
Map 2 good
Map 3 good
Map 4 good
Map 5 good
Map 6 good
Map 7 good
Map 8 good
Map 9 somewhat shit
Map 10 alright
Map 11 great
Map 12 great
Map 13 great
Then it becomes a shit show outside of a few maps until map 20 and then until 26. Big open empty spaces. I fucking love Doom 2 but wanna smash my screen when doing a full playthrough run and see Downtown pop up.
>>337996354
Not true at all. The maps were larger, more complex, had better enemy placement, better hidden secrets, and were better paced.
>>337996226
Doom 4 is the epitome of looking like a video game though
>>337984857
>dual wielding double barrel shotgun
I need this /v/
>>337996209
Doom 2 had a ton of mediocre maps that couldn't compare to the expertly crafted, awesome parade of excellent maps in the original.
Doom 64 was better than 2 in some ways, but only if you played the game ported to the PC with proper KB+Mouse because fuck everything about the N64 controller and fuck FPS on consoles in general. Doom 1 maps are still better though.
>>337996242
>mazes
Linear corridors aren't mazes. With D&D campaigns and old D&D-inspired games, you STILL have to find your way through thanks to tons of dead ends and winding, looping corridors.
Interesting how modern gamers can argue against me and still end up proving themselves wrong.
>>337996473
Downtown and industrial zone are literally elder god tier.
>>337996459
I now recall rumors that thefirst SP DLC is a remake of Knee-deep in the Dead or some shit. Of course, that's pure bullshit speculation so it's probably not true.
>>337996251
Mario World? Linear?
Seriously, have you ever played that game? Did you ever realize how many side paths and secrets that game has?
Seriously, you keep arguing and defeating yourselves, kids. One day you're going to accept what I say at face value and stop trying.
so /v/, what classic FPS franchise needs the doom and wolfenstein treatment next? I'm personally thinking shadows of the empire/jedi academy series.
Wolfenstein is pretty cheap right now should I get TNO or TOB?both?
>>337984952
shakey cam made me puke
wtf
>>337996763
None. Just play the old games.
What a goddamn concept.
>>337995828
Literally Cancer: the post
>>337996473
>Ultimate Doom
>no Hell Knights
>no Mancubi
>no Pain Elementals
>no Arachnatrons
>no Arch Viles
>no Revenants
>no super shotgun
>smaller, less complex maps
>maps are more linear
I'm sorry but you're just wrong. Doom 2 was better, including in terms of level design. It had maybe three weak levels, and the original had at least as many bad ones. And the original's good levels weren't as good as 2's.
>>337994845
you're not wrong, but you're exaggerating
the "new" style of shooters introduced since Half-Life have brought fun, interesting, and artistically and technically interesting things to the table. It's almost like a different playing field entirely. I'd say that some remarkable "modern" shooters are
>Half-Life games
>Fear
>Far Cry & Crysis
>STALKER series
the element of "realism" is worth something, whether you like it or not
I wish there was more variety in Glory Kills.
>>337996841
Nice argument, kid.
Oh wait.
Are you that desperate to justify your delusions to yourself that you will reply with banal garbage to anything you disagree with even though it's not at all wrong?
>>337996783
get both, do the new order first though. you'll definitely appreciate the old blood more after that.
>>337996824
old games are unplayable
>>337995068
What are you talking about, the levels revolve around exploring for crucial health and slo mo powerups
>>337996763
Hexen
>mfw raven software
>>337996763
The easy answer is either Blood or Hexen/Heretic.
My actual answer isShogo: Mobile Armor Division with better Mech Mode mechanics
>>337996783
Having only played TNO, that one's the one to get if you asked me.
Doom 4 has some questionable level design at some points but it made me think what the originals did differently. The secrets were the same in theory but i think the biggest difference that you feel is how the secrets don't flow together with the level. You fight a bunch of monsters then stop to platform down somewhere to find it. Rather then it flowing through the level and combat.
I had the same issue with the Shadow Warrior remake. The secrets are there but since they don't flow they just feel like neat detours that don't add anything or its just a upgrade sitting on a separate path. I fear Doom1/2/Plutonia/Doom1/2 map design in general along with games like Hexen will never be reached because of this in terms of map design.
>>337996030
Basically this, I can't stand linear corridor shooters.
When I like 'open world' games in that they have large wide open maps that encourage exploration and ofter alternative routes and tactics for the player to use.
Then that's what I call the Ubisoft 'open world' model. Well you just perform the same gameplay over and over again with a few you pointless collectibles
>>337996046
The reviews have not been kind but i'll probably pick it up when I dropped in price.
Apparently it follows that ubisoft 'open world' model where you basically repeat the same 3 mission types over and over again unfortunately.
>>337996783
both for sure, old blood is not quite as engaging and it's a little derivative but it explores some cool story elements, but be wary it has a whole lotta stealth levels.
>>337996824
I've played the old games a hundred times, I don't want to play them again, I want new ones with new gameplay considerations and better graphics and new characters.
>>337996890
See my comment about HL and related games earlier. There's nothing good about those games and they have dragged FPS into the abyss.
Gaming's been dead for nearly 20 years and we need to accept this.
>>337996763
stop
>>337983707
im with you brother
>>337996889
>No pain elements
No need to try to hurt your own argument.
>>337996628
Most FPS games, Doom in particular, work fine on consoles. The "expertly designed" levels in the original that you're jacking off over are decent at best, and pale in comparison to the best levels in Doom 2 and especially 64.
>>337996959
I'm sorry you have a disability of some sort that makes you unable to play old games, because we played them and enjoyed them just fine, and enjoyed them better than this crop of modern garbage that are barely games.
>>337996970
Don't even fucking joke about that I'd be so hyped for a hexen remake.I still have some hopes for the system shock remake as well.
>>337996987
The problem with d44m and shadow warrior '13 is that 99% of enemy encounters are in a goddamn arena.
>>337996763
Jedi Knight series IS the best classic game series after wolf and doom, but there's no way they could be done faithfully today. Wolf and D44M are fucking miracles. Don't count on your luck. Literally not one game has gotten melee combat right since Jedi Knight 2. Not one. So dont you think they'll get it right this time.
>>337996889
>no Pain Elementals
Not that anon but how is this a point?
>>337997051
But you can actually replay old games, because that's how they're designed. Go play one of the nearly endless number of Doom megawads, or hell, get the program that RANDOMLY GENERATES ONE.
Or play the new games once and forget about it afterwards.
Seriously, come on, kids.
>>337997183
Oh yeah.
I heard somewhere that it's getting a Kikestarter campaign.I do hope it does end up well. From that very small trailer it looks very promising.
>>337997153
Can't handle a little crowd control, anon?
>>337996763
>what classic FPS franchise needs the doom and wolfenstein treatment next?
Hexen/Heretic
Duke NUkem
PLEASE SOMEONE SAVE DUKE
>>337996964
the exploration in FEAR involves a 5 second detour from the main path, if that. The health/slo-mo upgrades are often plainly visible too
>>337997223
I will say one thing about D44M. Atleast its higher level enemies didn't feel like fucking bullet sponges. Shadow Warrior 2013 enemies felt so tedious and unfun to kill. Also D44M bosses as mediocre as they are. They're 10x better then 3x big dude with pretty much same concept and moveset.
Shadow Warrior 2013 was literally only playable for me because the demon bro Hoji? However you spell it was fucking hilarious and a true bro until the end.
>>337996763
Corridor 7
>>337997461
>SOMEONE SAVE DUKE
Man, fuck Gearbox.
>>337985269
What's wrong with 'nazis are bad'? It's a shooter, not a drama worthy of an oscar. Ancient jew tech is kinda dumb though.
>>337997504
You were supposed to use katana in SW
>>337996763
>what classic FPS franchise needs the doom and wolfenstein treatment next?
Star Trek: Elite Force! I don't even care if they remake it in the new Abrams universe.
>>337997563
If you're going to praise the story then the story better be fucking good, not just good because it's a video game.
>>337997490
okay? They're still hidden in ways that require you to carefully look over each room
>>337997335
They just aren't fun to fight at all. If its a group pull out a bfg and down them all. If its one of them you pin it against a wall to negate its summons and kill it effectively. Its a shit enemy just like its new version the summoner.
Ill take Plutonias crowd of everything is Revenants with 1 archvile hiding in the crowd over 4x pain elements any day. Its just a boring enemy in practice that sounded alright in theory.
Don't try to pretend like anyone enjoys those things. I've played Doom 2/wads for a decade now and still find them as bland and shit as ever. They exist to show us Doom does have something shit in it.
>>337994971
>slaughtering demons to the sound of a heavenly choir overlaid with totally bitchin guitar riffs
felt good, man
>>337983612
haven't played SPO doom, just the open beta, but was shit tier boring ass. Wolfenstein also was boring and long. Only good thing you could shoot out your way out with dual wielding shot guns, pretty cool, also graphics, but that is all. I didn't enjoyed it at all.
>>337996942
>Are you that desperate to justify your delusions to yourself that you will reply with banal garbage to anything you disagree with even though it's not at all wrong?
Exactly what you did with >>337995828
>>337995223
>VEGA bros up and shits on hayden with doomguy>becomes corrupted in the process
>>337997490
No, they're totally not.
>The health/slo-mo upgrades are often plainly visible
My point being that the upgrades are just fucking sitting there for the world to see, you just have to walk a few yards to the side to grab it in most very instance.
>>337997827
Whoops, meant for>>337997705
>>337997508
Holy shit, somebody else actually played that game?It was shit and deserves to be forgotten.
>>337997309
we're talking about other games here, not doom, get over yourself nerd, we all know doom wads exist, we just don't exist in the past our whole lives.
>>337984952
Doom 4 puts Shitdough warrior in the kiddy corner like the dumbed down budget title it is.
>>337997461
>tfw no slightly grimdark hexen or heretic remake with co-op or 10 v 10 online.
>>337997053
I did see your comment. You're wrong and you're a faggot.
>>337997774
SP D44M feels alot faster especially with the jump movement rune. I don't understand why that shit isn't a default feature on the MP. The MP feels like its dumbed down to the speed where everyone is slightly more jumpy Halo levels of movement. Which makes it hard to really prevent being 2 v 1'd sometimes because its hard to dodge one person let alone multiple.
>>337997508
>>337997954
I thought he was making a joke about old fps games being corridor mazes
>>337997827
>the upgrades are just fucking sitting there for the world to see
They aren't all completely hidden because they aren't all meant to be hard to find secrets. Some of them are though and anyway the point was that it encourages exploration, because they are almost never just handed out to you
>>337996763
Heretic/Hexen, Powerslave, or Blood.
It's too bad Epic doesn't want to make single-player games anymore. I would love a real sequel to Unreal (not Unreal 2, that was shit) or at least an HD remaster.
>>337998282
>>337998069
>>337997461
why y'all lumping hexen together with heretic? the franchises ended up going into very different directions
also fuck heretic, hexen is superior
>>337998307
It would be interesting to see the entirety of Unreal 1 remade in UE4.
>>337998376
>why y'all lumping hexen together with heretic?
Because Hexen is literally a sequel to Heretic.
>>337996763
Duke Nukem and RoTT by competent teams.
>>337998419
>the franchises ended up going into very different directions
Have you played heretic 2?
>>337997053
If FPSs stayed being "shoot shit while finding keys" the genre would've stagnated. Hell, that type of gameplay was already getting tired by 1997.
>>337985957
>>337986117
doesnt matter, none of that is an excuse for the awful animations on the guns
>>337997954
at least it probably gives you exactly what you'd expect from the title
I like pretty textures on my corridors
>>337998496
That's one stagnation I would've been glad about. And yes I was alive during that time.
>>337996763
Strife
>>337998421
>RotT
The remake was arguable better than the original game, I'm not sure what you were expecting.
>>337997183
>hope
>2016
>>337998673
>And yes I was alive during that time.
The fact that you felt the need to point this out makes me have my doubts.
>>337997053
lol
gaming stagnated for a while after 2004 or so...
but we've been in the middle of a new golden age for a while now, last year was fantastic
>>337983612
I'm employed by Bethesda so I think you know what i'm going to post.
>>337997183
>having hope
Doom threw the story in the trash where it belongs, TNO hammered on it way too much like it had something meaningful to say. Also better levels, better shooting, better enemies, doom is better in every way.
>>337998707
>I'm not sure what you were expecting.
Good level design for one.
>>337998814
I have been on /v/ long enough to know that disclaimers are necessary to avoid a whole lot of shitposting.
wolfenstein for both
>>337983707
This triggers the /pol/cuck.
Shhhh, Todd is sleeping
>>337998879
Fucking this. It's like, just get on with it so I can get out of this sewer level already...
>>337996628
>Interesting how modern gamers can argue against me and still end up proving themselves wrong.
Hi, guy you're replying to here. If you're the same guy I replied to, the reason my "argument" sounds so self defeating is because I was agreeing with you.
I know 4chan can hardcore jade the fuck out of you so if this is all the case you're forgiven.
>>337996763
Chex Quest
>tfw no real modding in D44M thanks to Denuvo
>>337983707
Steins story isnt that good but its good like a corny movie is good lmao
>>337998673
Nah, I'd like to keep my Thief and Deus Ex games.
>>337999209
no
get fugged
>>337998892
Actually, let me expand on that by saying the RoTT game devs are not only terrible people, but should probably kill themselves for being so bad at their jobs. If i were them, i'd get out of the videogame industry and maybe give cutting hair a shot because they're so horribly inept at making games, they should be ashamed.
We all like to joke about not being anthony burch, but anthony keeps himself going by saying at least he diddn't make RoTT 2014.
Basically, RoTT devs are all bastards and liars, and they should be scorned for being viral marketing sons a bitches. At least they're such pathetic faulures the best they'll be able to manage after RoTT 2014 is flipping burgers. Pathetic cucks,I know you're here RoTT dev and i hope you crawl into a sewer pipe and overdose on jenkem. Your gameis shit and you are shit. You always have been shit, and you will never be anything more than shit.
>>337989238
The human translation says a seraphim helped him. The Demon side says the Betrayer helped him. Same guy.
>>337990959
QL is always filled at any hour, nothing better than it has been released in the genre
>>337999295
Trying a but too hard there
>>337999427
How does it feel to have a game fail? How does it feel to only have yourself to blame? Fucker.
No one likes your game and no one likes you.
>>337989207
I picked up every collectible on my first playthrough and I think it took me around 12 to 15 hours. Just finished up every achievement and that took me about 20 hours.
Nightmare is best played as pass off the keyboard on death
>Clearing out a gore nest early onn
>It's too easy but something's still out there
>Check corner by the automap
>In the shadows, a hell knight swaggers out
>OH SHIT.GIF
>Get knocked the fuck out
>Hell knights have an impeccable sense of timing
>>337998949
>thanking Jewman
>not thanking todd howard, the one that made zenimax great
>Guass cannon
literally my only complaint in this game, low energy and shit gun.
>>338000159
gauss cannon is the best gun in the game
>>338000159
holy shit dude, you can't BE any more wrong. use the modifier that lets you charge the beam. i used that thing to knock out most of the big enemies in my playthrough
>>338000318
>when you're able to move while charging it
>>338000318
which modifier, the one with the scope or the stationary one?
So I've been thinking of getting Doom, but I held off after hearing how poorly received the multiplayer beta was. I just want to know a few things. Can the cutscene-esque melee kill things be turned off? Is it actually "Hell" like in 1/2 or is it some faggy "they were actually aliens XDDD" thing from the movie? How fast is the gameplay in singleplayer? I don't mind if it's not as fast as the og games as long as it's not like cowadooty pacing. Do the enemies still drop a shitton of healing like in the trailer they showed last year?
>>338000607
He means the siege mode, which the mastery is it's no longer locked down
>>337983612
I finally got around to playing Wolfenstein while I waited for Doom 4 to download this weekend. It's alright, and the story was okay up until the finish, but if I had paid full price for it I would have been pretty annoyed. It's a decent game but it's nothing amazing. The weapon feel for a lot of the guns was mediocre at best, and the sound design was a bit tinny in a few places which makes the whole game feel a bit light and "modern."
I'm also not crazy about how they decided to try to make you play the game again; I want replayability to be driven by gameplay mechanics, not two interchangeable characters that I don't really care much about.
Doom, on the other hand, feels like a genuine 90s shooter experience. All the guns feel good, the level design is great, the story isn't butting in the way of the gameplay constantly... it's just good. The secrets actually are fun to collect. I want to play the game over again to try different upgrade paths and play styles. Ultra-Nightmare represents a significant challenge that's going to take a lot of effort to beat. There's just a lot of game there, and it's solid stuff.
That said, since the multiplayer is warm asswater I'm not sure I can recommend anyone else paying full price for it since it'll be on sale in a few months time given Zenisoft's previous track record.
>>337983612
Terrible or niche.
Hmm that's a tough decision.
>>338000684
It's actually hell, you can turn off the glow but it's still an option to glory kill, and they drop more health when you're low on it, and the gameplay is not nearly as fast as full speed doom but still miles ahead of cod
>>338000684
>Can the cutscene-esque melee kill things be turned off?
no
>Is it actually "Hell"
yes
>How fast is the gameplay in singleplayer?
ok movement, combat is faster pace than in original dooms
>Do the enemies still drop a shitton of healing
only a few hps worth on glory kills or gibs, which is why the combat is faster because if you are low on health you better blow shit up
>>337990506
>you have to have haste to run at tolerable speed
Again how is this game considered good?
>>337987816
All the classic fps heroes together in one fucking game with 4 way co op
>>338000976
How's d44m a niche
>>337996763
ya EA would totally make a good modern shooter.
kys.
>>338000684
The melee "glory kills" are sped up a lot, and there's an upgrade to make them go even faster. I thought they'd suck watching someone else play it but having played it myself they're actually fine.
It's very, very much Hell.
Singleplayer is fast, but only if you play on Ultra-Violence or Nightmare - otherwise, you won't be challenged enough to move around and actually play the video game.
There's a fair amount of healing dropped, but it scales with difficulty, as does enemy damage. Even on Ultra-Violence, while it's rare I die unless I do something really stupid, I don't feel like I have too much of an overabundance of health pickups. On Nightmare the sheer fuckton of damage everything does and the meager amount of health and armor you get out of pickups means that you really can't fuck around too much, although the game does throw you bone with the amount of health pickups you get from glory kills if you're about to die.
>>338001068
>muh speed
go play your shitty RoTT remake fagtron
>>338001235
It's called Battlefield 1
loved D44M and am contemplating picking up DOOM 3 tomorrow. skipped out on it because it seemed very different but fuck it i've been bitten by the bug. will i have fun or is it shit?
>>338001514
its alright but don't expect doom 3. its a way different type of game.
>>337994080
Only the sane ones.
>>338001514
It's very slow. It's still fun, but don't expect the same kind of experience at all. It's more like a weird hybrid of a shooter and a survival/horror game; some parts are quick, lots are slow and mostly driven by creeping through dark, shadowy levels filled with jumpscares.
>>338001514
i love it
great horror and atmosphere
plays nothing like doom or d44m
>>338001514
It's great.
Unfortunately it's dark and doesn't look good on modern monitors
>>337987224
It was a great pulp adventure simulator. Pretty much everywhere you went was an underground or magical Nazi base which you had to escape from at the end of the mission as it blows up.
Gunplay was alright, but not great.
>>338001821
Unless heavily modded. But something doesn't look quite well.
>>338001821
>>338001695
>>338001685
>>338001596
is BFG edition considerably better or worse than the original?
>>338002439
worse.
>>337984952
You cant like this game and dislike Doom 4. They follow the same trends, and Shadow Warrior is even more guilty of shitting on the game its based on.
>>338002439
Worse. From what I can recall there were several changes made as well as the mods being fucking incompatible with it
Where can I get original Wolfenstein? I played the secret Doom 2 Wolfenstein level and it was a blast to play.
>>338002439
worse
in case you want to know why
worse graphics
ducktape flashlight ruins the games atmosphere
no modding
quicksaving pauses the game
>>338002439
It's your best bet since it will come with the expansion as well as both Doom1 and 2
>>337985237
According to one of the VA's of TNO, next year.
>>338002657
App Store, gameboy advance, PC cd, and xbla
>>338002657
If you really need a quick fix I think you can play it still via browser on its official site
>Carmack leaves
>They make a good Doom
>>338003215
>romero leaves
>they make a good quake game
>>337995828
>likes Unreal
>thinks Half-Life is too linear
Did you actually play Unreal? Just because it has gigantic open areas with nothing that lead to hallways does not make it non-linear.
>Deus Ex
>forces you into doing stealth
What?
>>338003307
>>338003215
>Willits and Cloud are the only remaining OG id members
>>338003449
According to the internet there are no original members left.
>>337983612
TNO wasn't very good at all so i'd say doom
>>337984952
really great game
>>338003524
Damn, they left too?
>>337998096
>>337997774
Get educated. The multiplayer was made by the studio that makes the current Halo multiplayer. That's why it feels like shit and consolized and crap with progression systems and shitty 2 weapon limit and ultimates spreaded throughout the arena.
id touched nothing in the multiplayer, but Snapmap (Which John Carmack helped a little on) and the Singleplayer was all on id. They should of delayed the game and worked on the MP instead of the other studio working on it. But I guess their priorities was on the Singleplayer which is understandable.
>>338003215
>Iwata """"leaves""""
>They make a good console
>>338003846
>(Which John Carmack helped a little on)
he left id in early 2013 so i doubt it
Why was the marketing for this game so bad? Why did they purposely show the worst aspects of the game?
>>338004016
older people were gonna buy it anyway, they needed to show off for the people who never played or even heard of doom before.
>>338004007
https://twitter.com/id_aa_carmack/status/610468397554499584
He worked on the beginnings of what Snapmap would become in this game.
I can't tell if people are being serious about wolfenstein being good or if its just a meme
it was fucking terrible.
>>338004007
It's based on some of Carmack's tweets around the time Doom was officially announced. Before he had left for Oculus he mentions one of the last things he worked on before he left were the engine and specifically, Snapmap.
>>338004130
As a human being, I respect your opinion. I actually enjoyed it.
>>338004116
>the last thing carmack worked in the gaming industry was a spit on every modders face
Poetry
>>338004230
Not that anon, but TNO and I dropped it when the stealth bits and story parts of the game became really obnoxious at the halfway point. D44M I never dropped it at all. Though I have toreturn it to redbox, because I kept it for a week and don't want to spend an exorbant amount of money on a shittier experience on console vs. PC. Because I am sure I will get it when it gets on sale this Christmas because it was probably my favorite game this year with DaS3. Where as Uncharted 4 was ultimately the biggest disappointment for a game I've had this year.
>>338004507
you can get d44m for 30 bucks from cdkeys or something
>>337993705
Gearbox took down Duke 3d megaton edition
>>337995585
>>337995182
I actually relly liked the romance part because they didnt make a big deal of it, theres not really drama, they just fuck every once in a while and do some sweet talk like twice
Not doing that, becauseI'm a content creator and I hate G2A and cdkeys for buying keys and selling em technically illegally and none of the developers get that dosh. And I want a D55M or Quak5 thank you very much.And I also have the money for a sale, but my rent is coming up soon. And I don't want to cash in anytime soon, because of Overwatch and the upcoming games this year. D44M will have to be a holiday thing for me.
>>337983612
wolfenstein didnt have a shitty multiplayer hamfisted in, and the enemies didn't glow blue and stagger helplessly. glorykills are by far the biggest problem with the singleplayer, otherwise its a fun game
>>337986658
makes me wonder if the shit trailers was part of their marketing, they knew it wouldnt be as good as the original, so they made it look shit so then its atleast 'better than expekted' thus its viewed favourably
>>338003449
Willits only official involvement with original Doom was Thy Flesh Consumed and Master Levels, and he wasnt actually a hired member of id software until shortly after those.
Doom because it doesn't focus on constant sympathy for kikes
>>338004985
>the enemies didn't glow blue and stagger helplessly
You can turn it off in the options menu. Even the console version allowed you to do that.
>>338005115
All right, thanks for the clarification.
It is true then that none of the founders of id are with the company now.
>>338004985
>glorykills are by far the biggest problem with the singleplayer
you disgusting pleb, the biggest problem is every enemy encounter being a fuckin arena
glorykills are not a big deal because on nightmare or ultra nightmare they are actually liable to kill you if you are not difficult, spamming that shit gets you nowhere
>>338005225
>if you are not difficult
careful*
>>338001163
Don't get me aroused like that, Salieri. My heart is already fluttering at having a good modern Doom.
>>338004985
the glory kills are fine. what i dont really like is there being 4 different things to upgrade and rank up.
Playing through Unreal Gold with the 227 patch. Why is the crosshair off? It's there on lower resolutions but playing it at 1920 made it extremely noticeable. On righthanded mode projectiles are too low and too the right. Same with lefthanded but opposite. The only way to fix it is to center the weapon. is there a way to fix this?
>>338005176
glorykills cannot be disabled, they still stagger
>>338005225
its not every encounter, and if you ever played original doom you'd know locking you into a large open arena keeps you from door-peeking.
glorykills give you iframes, regardless of difficulty, and the range at which you can execute them is generous, saves ammo, and I've used them to dodge explosions too many times to count. It's not unreasonable to prefer enemies actually fight back, you disgusting casual.
>>338003846
>But I guess their priorities was on the Singleplayer which is understandable.
They should make Quake 5 so we can get a proper old-school multiplayer. (yeah I know about UT4 but it's taking fucking forever)
>>338005939
90s dooms rarely had fucking arenas, it was continuous stream of monsters around every corner
>glorykills give you iframes
and kill you when the hell knight has closed the distance during the animation and shoves a fist up your ass
>>338006148
I just want them to make Quak5 be polished by both ends and not given to another studio. Every time I think of a studio outsourcing work to another. The other studio just does not give a fuck. I hope Quak5 will have a much longer development time or whatever their next game will be. Because we all know id is best solo and smaller scaled games (Rage sucked dick as an open world game).
>>338003215
Carmack Pros
>pro-Linux
>pro-open source
>good programmer
Neutral
>zealous about VR
>megatextures (could have been useful but ended up being shit. oh well, he tried something new)
Cons
>weird (possibly bad) philosophies on game design
>possibly killed D44m modding (probably unintentional but still)
>>338006464
megamemes are still being used and are the reason d44m looks great and id tech runs above sub-24fps on console
he never had any input in how d44m's modding was gonna turn out, just did the work for it
>>338006197
>reading comprehension.
I never said it did.
enemies attack before and after glorykills, not during because of iframes and the way they aggro. as long as youre not purposefully retarded your imaginary scenario never happens.
Replaying a couple maps to try getting some of the map specific challenges on nightmare if anyone wants to observe and give me those hot advertising dollars from Steam streams.
http://steamcommunity.com/broadcast/watch/76561197976579619
>>338006897
In every doom thread people mention how glorykills gets THEM killed on nightmare. And since it has happened to me too, I'm going to believe him over you.
>>338007030
perhaps you should try looking where you are before pressing F next time.
>>338006698
Also based on that tweet that anon posted apparently idstudio for the current idtech is not user-friendly compared to Unity or UE4's editing suites.
>>337983707
Seconded. The villains weren't exactly complex, but I think they had fun with the rebel's dynamic.
>>338008037
To be fair both of those are babbys first game engine. Especially UE4. Not that either of them are bad but they were designed for people who don't know anything about game development and wanted to start.
It's an insult to DOOM to mention it in the same sentence as that game.
I'm willing to give 10 bucks for a working doom code
>>338009842
Sent. ;^)
>>338009884
thx mate, here's you're 10 bucks
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