Why can't I seem to enjoy classic RPG combat? I'm trying to play FFVII for the first time and I'm really liking this world but I cannot fucking stand the actual gameplay.
Am I dead inside? Has the light finally gone out?
I'm playing FFIX onmy phoneI just passed the Ice Cave at the beginning, is the whole game stay that childish or...?
>>337980229ADHD
>>337980431
I played ff9 on ps1 and it just fills all the tropes and I hate it. 2 discs in and shit was starting to get interesting but I was bored the whole time.
>>337980229
>Playing japanese games
No, that's wrong, you're just supposed to masturbate to the characters.
>>337980229
JRPGs suck and you have to spend 5 hours doing nothing but grinding so you can body every enemy and get to see the story
There's nothing wrong with you, the type of game is just not for you. There were people who didn't like FF7 when it came out but were otherwise a huge game lovers
I liked VII onwards but have the same problem with those that came before it. I guessing its the combination of sprites and straightforward combat systems.I wish I could change
bump fuckers
>>337980229
>why can't I enjoy classic RPG combat?
>I'm playing a Final Fantasy game
I found your problem OP.
>>337982913
>>>/reddit.com/
>>337980229
Why are her tits so small here?
>>337980229
Do you also go to gay people and ask them why you don't like men as they do?
>>337980229
You're fucking broken anon. Go play the slower FFs and realize that VII had made a massive improvement (outside of summons taking forever) in how fast combat can go, especially if you set ATB to Active so it runs during magic/attack animations.
>>337983149
>7
>fast
kek. The ATB is a piece of shit that was always detrimental to game speed. The only time they made it actually fast was in X-2 and that game turned out to be shit for other reasons.
>>337980229
>"classic RPG combat"
>visual novel JRPG
>>337983315
The ATB wasn't fast in X-2 what the hell are you talking about? It just made combat more fluid and allowed you to gain bonuses by chaining attacks one right after the other.
I swear I will fucking murder somebody if Tifa wears shorts instead of her classic skirt in the remake
At least games like Legend of Dragoon have an extra component to the combat (timing the attacks), so it doesn't feel like you're just playing menu simulator.
Traditional turn-based RPGs are pretty much just a relic of the past at this point. Any devs who put in this kind of gameplay without shaking things up in any way are just dooming themselves to mediocrity.
>>337982987
>anyone who doesn't like Final Fantasy is from reddit
Wow dude. That's some serous stupidity you got there.
Stop leveling.
When you have to find out which attacks work and ways to make yourself last more than one round it becomes fun again.
>>337980229
Try playing a superior classic western RPG like Wasteland that doesn't hold your hand and handle all the stats for you.
>>337983149
>[x] Final Fantasy is slightly better than the others so that makes it okay
Every FF thread.
>>337980229
>Am I dead inside? Has the light finally gone out?
No need to overexaggerate
>Why can't I seem to enjoy classic RPG combat?
Nowadays, more realistic type of combat has spoiled you. My issues with this type of combat was that the turn-based system seemed unrealistic, slower and more boring to me, so I couldn't enjoy it that much. Nowadays, more realistic games just spoiled you. If you would've played this game way back when it came out, you would've probably been blown away or at least impressed.
>>337983428
You can make it faster in the HD version.
>>337980229
You're not wrong. There's nothing inherently wrong with turn-based combat, but it's not something Final Fantasy has ever done particularly well, and never in any of the PlayStation ones.
7 is still worth slogging through that, though.
>>337980431
there's genocide eventually
>>337983848
I've only played the PS2 release so I did not know they made it so you can choose to make it faster.
>>337980229
I know what you mean. I used to love turn based rpgs is a kid, but' find most of them intolerable as an adult. FFVII isn't so bad because it's pretty fast compared to the rest of the series. VI and VIII are nightmares though.
I actually prefer turn based combat. I just don't think any FF game did it particularly well, except maybe Final Fantasy X. And even then, Final Fantasy X had less variety than something like Dragon Quest II on the NES.
And before people go crazy and flame me, realize that gameplay was never the focus in Final Fantasy games. The series creator even said that cinematics and story was the focus. Even with the first game. The games have just become even more cinematic focused and less gameplay focused since.
I don't find any of the FFs slow considering all the time I sat around waiting for my turn to come up in a lot of the d&d sessions I was in years ago
>>337982995
They redesigned her to have smaller boobs in the movie, this game uses that design. It's standard now.
https://youtu.be/8pB5VYY6rZY
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>>337984281
she had a decent rack in advent children though
>>337983459
She will have shorts, her tanktop will cover her navel, and her tits will be way smaller than the original
Not OP, but I'm playing it for the first time too. Just got past the cross-dressing scene and the sewer. ATB sucks ass but at least it doesn't make me suffer long. I really like the Materia system. Story seems to be a fun ride.
Anyone got a recommendation for a JRPG with better combat? Was thinking about starting Breath of Fire series after I finish FF7.
>>337984406
it was meh, way smaller than before
the whole redesign sucked but it's what we're stuck with now
>>337984454
>Story seems to be a fun ride.
Disk 1 is great. Then everything becomes stupid in Disk 2.
>Anyone got a recommendation for a JRPG with better combat?
Chrono Trigger
Chrono Cross
Seiken Densetsu 3
Lufia II
Any Dragon Quest
Any Suikoden
Any Tales
Any Shin Megami Tensei game
The list goes on.
>>337984561
I wouldn't say way smaller. Slightly smaller sure but not as small as that pic or her in kingdom hearts
>>337984406
much of that was just the leather armor padding her, you can see in some shots she's pretty average compared to previous
>>337984842
the leather wasn't that thick
>>337984965
Added like an inch around.
The point is it was pretty average for her overall, and the whole realistic redesign killed her funbags as the primary attraction.
>>337980229
>Why can't I seem to enjoy classic RPG combat?
Because enemies are beaten using the same simplistic tactics every time, the game wastes your times with overly long animations that you'll watch hundreds of times, and there's no room for any complex tactics or interesting decision making. You'll always know what you're going to do each turn, then have to watch the battle play out, even though it's already been solved in your head. Gooks love repetition and grinding, don't play their games
>>337984842
>there will never be a lewd edit of that scene when Loz picks up her up by her vest after beating the shit outta her
>>337984842
She has massive jiggling if anyone paid attention. And there's only one scene where the leather jacket is open enough and it's when she's on her back anyway.
>>337985343
It's pretty normal actually.
>>337985170
an inch? it's more like a leather vest and she wears a t-shirt underneath. hardly an inch
>>337980229
Is this official art? Damn
Why is everyone obsessed with Tifa? She's just a generic slut
>>337985658
Yeah, it's from Dissidia 012 Final Fantasy
>>337985552
How is jiggle that almost smacks into her face normal?
>>337984406
I don't want an "ok" rack on her, I want a great rack, like she did in ff7
FF7 isn't really a good example of "classic RPG combat" you know. Go play some fucking Wizardry 8 or Underrail, those are as good as it gets.
>>337985770
Literally the entire point of her dynamic in comparison to aeris the whole fucking game is in direct opposition to that, fuckhead. Aeris is the one who is more open with her feeling romantically and far closer to what you derogatorily refer to as a "slut", even though her initial design would say otherwise. Vise versa with Tifa.
The fact that you fucked up one of the simplest to understand concepts of the game proves not only that you never played it, but that you're mentally handicapped as well.
>>337986087
Take a look at that outfit and tell me she isn't a dirty whore, stupid retard fuckface faggot cunt
>>337986220
>stupid retard fuckface faggot cunt
XD
>>337986220
most whores these days wear plain clothes. seems people are more interested in the present than the wrapping paper.
>>337984414
booooooo
>>337986087
Aeris is no slut
>>337986087
>tifafags get this mad when you insult their waifu
>>337985936
You mean this? Cos she ain't doing the whole "vast cowtits bigger than her head" thing anymore
Who here /lovedadventchildren/?
>>337987525
The first official breast reduction in vidya
Playing VII on ps4 right nizzow. The only problem i really have so far is there's no way to tell what status effect the enemies will give to you when you first meet them. Does sense level up? As of now when I use it, all that happens is i get a reading the enemies HP.
>>337987570
Watched the entire Complete version for the first time yesterday. Loved it andI liked Kadaj better than Sephiroth
>>337987525
Outsourced CGI. ALL OF IT WAS YOU RETARDED ASS MORON. None of that shit was done in house by Square.
>>337988049
Uh, yes it was, you stupid person.
>>337980229
FFVII is slow at the beginning since you have few toys to play with. Later on the game you'll find new materia which will allow you to do neat shit with them. Just power through the beginning and you won't regret it.
>>337987854
Amazing taste, anon.
>>337980229
The majority of gameplay in most turn-based JRPGs is just absolute shite and I have no idea why anyone pretends otherwise. Hell even I do it, I can't stop playing them thinking it will be different this time.
I don't think there's anything fundamentally wrong with the way they work but very little attempt is made to properly balance them.
They just force the player to endure massive hordes of tediously trivial encounters until they're allowed to get to the boss, which has the potential to actually be fun and challenging, and then it's back to soul-crushing monotony again.
I don't expect every encounter to be potentially game-ending, but they should at least pose a threat in the same way enemies in other games do: draining enough resources (if poor choices are made) that the player might have problems with enemies they find later in the dungeon/area.
Enemies fulfill this purpose just fine in other genres like classic FPS, there's no reason they can't in JRPGs. Unfortunately this almost never happens because you usually have access to a limitless inventory of cheap restoratives.
I think that what should be done to fix JRPGs is to drastically reduce the amount of resources the player can have on hand, reduce the frequency of normal enemy encounters, increase the difficulty of encounters, and in some way nerf the ability to just run away from them.
OP if you want to try and have fun with these games, you could try doing some sort of challenge run, like a low level run.
I've never tried it but as I've said I think the problem with non-boss combat in most of these games is that it's just too easy, so that might go some way to rectifying the issue.
>>337987683
tragic
>>337988228
>They just force the player to endure massive hordes of tediously trivial encounters
This, you use the same tactic in every encounter to win. All they have to do is add some mechanic that forces you to differentiate your tactics from fight to fight, like SMT's press turn system. And speed up all the animations
>>337988703
>All they have to do is add some mechanic that forces you to differentiate your tactics from fight to fight
The good ones do. Final Fantasy just isn't a good one.
>>337988959
Can you recommend some good ones?
>>337989169
See >>337984684
Even a series like Dragon Quest, which people love to claim is generic and repetitive, has more variety than Final Fantasy in combat. The most variety you see in a Final Fantasy game is having to use an ice spell to hurt a fire enemy. Or having to use a range attack to hit a flying enemy. Dragon Quest II had more variety than this back in 1988.
>>337980229
Why did they have to nerf her tits? No one wanted it
>>337989625
Nomura wanted it. Just like he wanted Squall to be more feminine looking. So he did it in Dissidia.
>>337989847
Iunironically supportNomura's character designs
>>337989625
SE jumped the shark
