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R8 my bugs
>>337977875
They're nice from an RP standpoint, but shit from a minmax one
When you guys get the event where a science crew is warped out of the dimension and half are abducted what do you do when they return ? I purge them as potential body snatchers
>>337978441
what are some good stats
>>337978481
Good choice. Ever see Event Horizon? Don't trust anything that comes back from an accidental warp trip.
>>337978702
Anything to do with science or energy is good
You don't want to breed quickly, because pops multiply tech cost so your research will go down the shitter
Strength of armies is pretty worthless, it's all about the navies
Repugnant hurts a lot more than something like Sedentary or Weak or Decadent if you slave
>>337978702
Weak and sedentary are your go to bad traits because they don't actually affect you in any meaningful way. Resettlement is only possible to planets with planetary administration, which requires you to already have 5 pop on the planet, so it's kinda useless. Migration only happens if your pops are unhappy or you use that migration edict and it's also a pretty minor factor.
Weak only affects your land armies and not to a meaningful degree, since just drowning your opponent in numbers works just fine.
Intelligent is one of the best positive traits, giving you 10% extra science, which means a lot, since most of your core planets will be giant science factories late game. The last trait depends on your preference. I usually take either the longer lifespan one or quick learning one. Charismatic or conformist traits are also really good.
>>337978441
Good point, making some changes atm
>>337977875
>playing fanatic xenophobe militarist humans
>meet race of very strong reptilian aliens with a single planet
>take over planet and enslave them
>mfw very strong slave armies EVERYWHERE
Feels good
>>337978441
Military route is the only option. It's impossible to play as anything other than space bugs.
>>337977875
They should limit alliances to other nations you directly have immediate access to. I'm tired of these fucks joining alliances on the other side of the galaxy. It turns their shit hole back water into only a 2% war score and there is no way to fucking do anything.
>>337980892
Best way to have a winner military is to have good tech and enough money to finance a huge fleet
>>337980534
>Allowing filthy xenos to represent the Imperium of Man
Purge yourself, heretic.
>>337980986
>money
That's a funny way of saying "shittons of planet pops, stations, and minerals".
Energy is beyond useless. I've been in at zero for decades with little consequences.
Although thankfully empires have recently been just selling me energy for my mineral reserves, so it's not like I'm somehow suffering.
Why is war score so shit? Why should I have to invade the same fuck 3 times when I can easily completely destroy him in one go? They need to do something about this because subsequent invasions are tedious as fuck. 10 years is not enough time to rebuild into anything even more so after you just lost key planets. Every time I invade for the second time they have almost no fleet and its a slow ass grind to invade all their planets.
It gets ridiculous whit the forced peace. Right now I have 5 empires on rotation I invade one at a time because they just cant beat me no mater what but all their planets are so valuable I only get 2 or 3 a war.
Why cant I just outright annex a nation when I occupy all their planets?
>>337981454
Vassalize them: then integrate them in in 10 years?
>>337981157
>purging instead of enslaving
I need minerals anon
Those navies don't pay for themselves
I completely purge all continental species and replace them with humans though
>>337981917
I don't brook aliens in my empire.
>>337981821
That costs influence and you can only integrate them one at a time.
>Not running a mod for the glorious white empire
>Scroll out
>Realize I've made my blob look like an animal on accident
>>337982640
Call it the Imperium of Puppies.
>>337982842
I thought it looked more like a Kangaroo desu
>>337982640
>complaining about your borders when you made THAT fucking sector
Kill yourself
>>337982909
>>337982842
Looks like one of those dinosaurs to me
>Mfw I send every available droid into battle
>>337983023
I prefer my psychic armies with psychic warrior attachments. Its fucking wonderful to land them and watch as the enemies moral shatter almost instantly.
>>337983195
When do you get Psykers?
You gotta be spiritualist to be a jedi.
Well you have a chance to get the tech as long as you're not materialist, but it's very small, having a maniac scientist gives you better odds.
>>337982937
that sector eats all the frontier outposts and worlds without taking any of the mineral/energy systems
its ugly but efficient
i know you guys say missiles are shit, but they seem pretty great early game when no one has point defense. and arent there armored torpedoes later on?
>>337983541
Research psyonics which will lead to psychic warriors. That's an attachment for any army. Its basically an improved attack drone. After that research psychic armies.
They are all rare tech that has spiritual weight. The psychic armies with psychic warrior attachments do on average 20 damage and 75 moral damage a tick which is insane. The problem is each army takes 250 ticks to build costs 50 energy and 250 minerals and costs 5 energy a turn to maintain.
>>337978702
i find venerable very good every time i pick it.
kinda nice to have OP leaders around for 200 years, saves a lot of influence too.
weak is good too, like i care when i have psi armies
communal, charismatic and conformist are good too, i happened to have a really annoying hive mind empire as a neighbor in one of my games, once conquered i modified their race to have those traits and suddenly i had tons of pop of obedient happy bugs mining them minerals without fucking with me
>>337983921
Torpedoes and missiles are two different things.
>Playing as Tentacle Monsters
>Hard
>39 Empires
>Ironman
>Get the most amazing starting zone with loads of free space
>Plan was to play aggresive but the starting zone is too good
>Keep building things
>Furry Kingdom wants me to join her pacifist alliance cuz she like my fanatic spiritualist ethic
>Only friendly impires around me
>Time to build up my navy and betray.
>They start voting for federation
>Sure whatever
>My navy is finally bigger then all of theirs and i'm ahead in technology
>Time to strike
>Federation president declares war against The Hairy Mushroom Confederation.
>He got overwhelming in everything except tech which is superior
>He ignores my "friends" and just fly through em and goes to me directly
>The Galactic Syndicate of Turtles and 3 allies declares war on the Furry Kingdom cuz reasons
>They end up raping them
> 3 units from the hairy mushrooms is next to my base with a fleet power of 7k, 4k and 2k
>Only destroyers and
>All my friends are busy with the war against the turtles
>Leave federation
>Can't surrender
>Quit Game
Never joining an alliance again.
>>337983921
It's the name of T2 torps, yes, but they are no different in regards to point defences.
>>337984159
>tfw all my scientists are dying and i'm forced to save scum cause i'm integrating a vassal and can't afford the influence
>>337984327
Only problem with that is you can vote no to war. One single no prevents the war from happening.
>>337984365
>not running 3 rivalries at any given moment
No excuse, unless you are a dirty wormhole user.
>>337984159
Venerable seems really good.
It's a shame to lose a max level archeologist in his 70s knowing that he could've lived for a hundred more years.
>>337984327
>falling for the "Alliance" noob trap
It's literally just a way to drag nations into wars. There is zero advantage otherwise.
>>337984559
B-But i'm a pacifist
Though i guess with my huge fucking fleet i got nothing to lose here
So, higher pops increases research time
Is it possible to make a tiny fuck of an empire, dump everything into research speeds, and tear through fast enough to shitstomp everyone around me with high-end gear?
>>337984559
Weird, i must have missed clicked on something then. Because we went to war just like that and it said the federation president started it.
>>337984571
>pick Turtles
>pick Venerable
>pick Fantatic Religious and pacifist
>research lifespan tech
>discover life tree
>etc. etc. etc.
>high priestesses and starting scientists live to see the birth of the empire all the way to the conquering of the Prethoryians 300 years later
>2 months after destroying the prethoryn homeworld the High Priestess dies
Paladin Turtles.
>>337984559
Why would a wormholing be an excuse?
>>337984847
Its number of planets not pops.
But yes you can. Its a risky move that you only want to do if you dont have ANY war mongers near you. They will target you for your tech the second you have "superior" level tech compared to them.
>>337984327
>tentacle monsters
>heart symbol
>military dictatorship
I wish this game featured more than map painting by combat. I'd like to take over the galaxy by turning everyone else into a mindless lust-obsessed slave.
>>337984571
yes
i'd say at least take durable, without those traits your leaders aren't at their best like what, 80 % of their lifespan ?
>>337984365
it's very annoying to have leaders issues
>take democratic shit gov for those bonus core planets
>mfw i have to pay attention to the elections because if i don't it's -20 % science/no colony bonus/NO FUCKING FLEET BONUSES for every fucker going for the ruler seat, plus influence
>>337977875
seems like everyone's having fun with this despite it being a vanilla Paradox game
did they actually just release a base game that's solid?
>>337979676
Am I the only one in thinking that Industrious is the best trait by far? Its just so easy to dominate once you have an overwhelming mineral income and the sooner it happens the better.
>>337985036
Slaanesh, please go.
>>337985028
So the wiki is wrong than?
It says "The formula is Base cost x (1 + 0.02(Totals pops in empire - 10)) = Cost"
Is there a formula for figuring this shit out?
>>337985345
Nah, even Paradox admits it's not finished.
>>337985345
there's some balance issues and bugs but I'm pretty surprised at how robust the game is out the gate
then again i have yet to see how broken the endgame is
>>337985406
Yes, you are the only one, intelligent is far superior.
>>337984365
Scientists die way too fucking fast and I hate it that zero experience is passed on.
>need a level 5 scientist
>most of my side of the galaxy already mapped
>my scientists barely reach level 4 before dying at age 82
>the only good place left to scan is past an isolationist fallen empire which I can BARELY make it around using a star system barely on the edge of their borders
Observation posts should grant new scientists more experience, since they spent their youth watching a bunch of humans nuke some small islands all day.
>download game
>it's literally that spore space rts section but with just more depth
>unistall
>refund and move on
>>337985406
>uplift some guys with the +30 % minerals trait
>"now which trait shoudl i ad-"
>see industrious
>shills making /vg/ threads on /v/ because its FOTM And think its acecptable
>implying not blatant shilling
I created the Confederacy, Dominion, Khalai, Nerazim, Zerg, Infested (under Atticus Carpenter, if he were to lead the Infested Terran under his own cerebrate control) and a race for myself to play, the Purifers. I've thus far enslaved the Zerg until when I can be bothered to purge them from existence - I had made my first initiative to purge Char as a reminder that the Zerg Swarm's fate lies with the Protoss. After banding together with the Nerazim, we waged against the Confederacy and their allies of xeno scum, twisting the collective arm of the weak aliens to force their Terran friends to serve as vassals themselves.
No force stands against the might of the Protoss. Nach nagalas!
>>337977875
Cool Zerg race.
>>337985758
You know, it reminds me of Spore too, but to be honest I think that the basic idea of Spore wasn't entirely bad, it was just casualized to hell.
Solaris is a good step forward in space RTSes. Maybe not perfect, maybe not even worth buying right now, but I think the way it handles robots, uplifting species, and the unit customizer are all well done.
I wish more games looked to SMAC for inspiration, especially in its mechanics and writing. Which Stellaris does. For all its flaws and terrible mechanics, Paradox at least tried.
I'd much rather have a game like Stellaris than the paid mod that was Beyond Earth, where everything worked okay but it was completely soulless and railroad-y.
>>337986047
>new game comes out
>people wish to talk about game
Everyone will immediately tell you this game is buggy, has several bad mechanics, and is more or less barely playable until the next patch later this month.
What do you want us to talk about? E-celebs?
>>337986072
With the profits from my newly accrued vassals, the Terran Confederacy, the Purifier Conclave has chosen to construct a third ring world, fully allowing the Zerg Swarm's territory to be encapsulated by our own territories.
As with the previous expansion, we named our sections of the ring world in honor of those before us: Koronis-harudim, Khas-harudim, Zoranis-harudim and Nahaan-harudim within the Khor-shakal system. What shall the Purifiers name our new system and planets, Primearch?
come join this new MP game fags
/stelg/ is the server name
ID: 90101346025131011
no password
Come play a fast game
Late game is so fucking boring. Death balls and thats it. I love early and mid game, but damn is it just not worth it.
BIG FLOPPY TERRAN DICK
>>337986072
>>337986814
What the fuck is with you
>>337987057
>Not soaking all of your autism into Space Civ Lite
Come on, mate. I'm just having some fun.
>>337987057
>babby's first after action report
I bet you've never read a Dwarf Fortress round robin, have you?
>>337986814
>golden purifier armada
>purifier defense fleet
don't know whether to puke or to cringe
>>337987312
Nope, cause I avoid Dorf Fort like the plague.
Fear the slippery slope.
>>337984534
You can't. They can veto you but you can't veto them. Feds are shit.
>>337987412
Well, the only games that really have slippery slopes are ones with much easier UIs.
I tried to get into Dorf Fort but decided it's better to just enjoy it from afar. I'm just not the right person for the game.
SS13, tho? Now there's a slippery slope.
>>337978906
Agree with all. Pretty good advice tbqh.
>>337987373
If you played video games, you'd know the Golden Armada is a Protoss force. It's in homage, considering the Purifiers were made to embody the Protoss themselves.
It's okay though, here's your (you).
>>337987312
>tfw too worried I'm too dumb to play dorf fort
>>337978906
Is there any way to mitigate the upkeep cost for maintaining frontier outposts?
I need the points from research stations, but all my influence goes into having research edicts up 24/7
>>337981193
>Energy is beyond useless.
try saying that when you get a massive fleet
>>337987874
Nope
Settle the system and then destroy the outpost.
>>337987926
>0 energy
>nothing happens except science goes to shit
0 minerals is a lot worse than 0 energy.
>>337987973
But colonizing increases research costs
Or can I just build a bunch of stations and then wipe the frontier outpost and keep that shit in my borders?
>>337987987
It's not like anything consumes minerals on upkeep
>>337988112
No minerals = no battleships
>>337981454
>>337982026
just vassalize them. Building a massive empire is counter productive I think. You're gonna have pops out the ass, you're research will go to shit so you've always playing catchup building research stations n whatever and power will go to shit with all the buildings too. A vassal will look after his own shit and just build a big ass fleet to support you in wars. And it doesn't cost you a thing.
>>337987874
frontier outposts are for fucking up the enemy's sphere of influence, not for expanding your own
lock them out of systems you're saving for later or keep them from passing through
>>337987987
Not him but I've come to the point where I am replacing mines with power plants regardless of tile
>>337985345
It starts out really fucking good but the mid to end game inevitably comes down to paint the map shit.
The AI remains retarded, too.
Does anyone else think that science/construction/colony ships would be better and less tedious if they acted like diplomats/spies/whatever from EU3? I really dislike the 4x elements in this game.
>>337982167
But I am
>>337986072
>Purifers
??
>>337987874
Just make a sector and give the outpost to them. They don't get a penalty for the outpost and it keeps it up.
>>337986978
fuck the galaxy Rico
>>337988160
I have minerals coming out my ass, but I work my ass off to keep a positive energy balance.
>>337987987
Don't all your buildings and stations turn off with 0 energy?
>>337988172
Soon that wont work. They wont revolt right now because they were tied in with the slaves. They could start a slave revolt to weaken you then attack to free themselves. It will be fixed soon.
>>337988852
Not that I've noticed, but then again I'll have to check. I do know there's a penalty to minerals and science. And robots, obviously.
How do you guys develop your planets? I'm not sure if it'd be better to have min/EC/research specific with edicts and whatever else you can get, or have it mixed and letpraythe sectors cover the rest.
>>337988237
>acted like diplomats/spies/whatever
Nope. But there should be spy ships or covert assassin/infiltrator ships or something
>>337988852
They say they will, but who knows if they do or not in this buggy fuck game
>>337978441
>minmaxing
Is there any point to having excess food production once all your tiles if full of population or can I just convert all my farms into power plants?
>>337988296
They're something Activision Blizzard came up with for Legacy of the Void for Starcraft II - the Purifiers are a sort of robot race they'd begun developing to counteract the Zerg Swarm, creating mirrors of past Executors like Fenix. They halted on the project, however, because they'd begun to gain sentience and massacred an assload of Protoss in an attempt for independence.
>>337989001
The EU3 system is a lot less tedious though.
>>337989449
Depends on your migration settings and how often you use the "come to the shitty planet, it's a nice place, honest" buff.
>>337988950
>>337989208
Gonna test it out so I built a few battleships to get my energy to 0
>>337989389
>>337978441
This, holy shit.
Who plays this game to minmax?
>>337989825
I'm new but I prohibit migration and have no idea what that buff is.
>>337990035
Hey, up to you. I'm just saying that if you want your empire to be efficient then those traits are crap. You're free to do that if you like.
>>337990114
It's a buff which increases migration. Since you prohibit migration, yes you should only keep enough food on a planet to prevent starvation. And even that's not a completely terrible situation.
>>337990114
>reliant on synthetic pops because of dat productivity bonus
>already gave them voting rights
>in a few years they can be leaders
What could possibly go wrong
>>337977875
>first game
>small circle, 2 empires
>after a bit exploring found a fallen empire about 4-5 systems away from my homeworld
>try to chat them up, got insulted
>"ok fuck you too then"
>ignore them, expand to other side
>suddenly all my leaders die of old age, not enough influence
>tip says "rival with other empires"
>make fallen empire rival, my people cheer
>got message from them, demanding 2 of my most developed colonies
>nah fuck you guys, let's war
>move my 2k fleet to the border
>nothing happens
>alert at my homeworld - 25k fleet jumped in and obliterated everything
I don't know what I expected honestly
>>337990114
>>337990336
didnt meant to quote
>First empire
>Human empire that sat around doing nothing for ten thousand years
>Second empire
>Warrior lizardman race
>Had more slaves than I had actual people
>filled entire worlds with nothing but miners food and slave pens.
>Had so much minerals I could just set up 20+ year trades for energy from the other factions
>Third empire
>brainiac science race that are weak and use robots to fight for them
>Conquers no one, just vassalizes anyone who gives them trouble.
>Out pace all the other civs in tech by miles and turtle up as the world burns down.
Does it make me a big stinky casual if I love this game more than any other 4x game i've played in ages.
>>337990014
Well all buildings still produce minerals/research. Research is down by 33% because of energy shortage. That's about all the effects of 0 energy I can see. And minerals are used in the upkeep of some ships I just noticed.
>>337990336
>It takes four years to figure out how to give androids the right to run for office
how
how does that take four fucking years
>>337990336
how long before your synths realize that organics suffer from a productivity penalty?
So let me get this straight Spiritualists actually get some badass techs that I'll miss out on as a materialist?
Is the reverse also true?
>>337990507
>>337990336
It was nice knowin' you.
BUT HEY! At least you've got that planetary shield generator tokeep the synthetics trapped on the planet. Good on you!
What's the preferred starting weapon / FTL tech choices?
>>337990475
It's less of how do we make synths run for office but more of WHY should we make synths run for office.
Also I want to find out if Synth Leaders carry with them bonuses and immortality.
>>337991004
lasers and limit everyone to hyperspace
>>337991004
Wormhole or warp.
Avoid hyperlanes until patch unless you are good at breaking out of being boxed in. Patch will make this less an issue because open borders will be the default and closing borders will be a policy choice.
>>337991164
Synths live to roughly 75 years, unfortunately. Even machines wear down over time.
>>337991004
Missiles and Wormholes
>>337991164
>synthetic personality matrix
>engineering tech, not society
>tech of the industry type
Nah
>>337990461
Oh and you obviously can't colonize any planets with 0 energy.
So it turns out psionics are kinda pointless.
Sure you get jedi armies but troops don't matter in this game. And you can just get jump drives instead of psi jump drives.
>>337993697
Armies matter more later on when just knocking out one fleet doesnt get you all the war score
>getting to the warscore is a chose sometimes
>can't negotiate truce/settlement only offer white peace
get fucked paradicks
>>337993808
Ok, but i don't think an army with same price i paid for my psi troopers would have any trouble occupying a planet.
>>337994068
*chore
>>337994068
console
yesmen
I have no objections to cheating on obviously broken shit
>>337993697
The psi combat computer is pretty good
>>337994261
>yesmen
thankyou
>>337994394
Alternatively, warscore [number desired]
Warscore's at 100%
but it's not finished yet
and 2/3 of the objectives are impossible because some other army that was at war with my opponent beat me to the punch
How do I get out of the war at this point?
>>337984985
Because wormholes have harder time exploring the galaxy. Can't run a rivalry against some xenophobe chucklefuck on the other side of the galaxy if you never met him.
>>337994738
They come to you
The real problem is that when they're allied with your neighbor you can't go over and kick their ass easily
>>337994738
>maek wormholes with constructors
>1 energy for FOUR holes
>you can spread these four holes per their max distance (which is upgradeable)
hard
>>337982167
>>337988272
This is legitimately just sad.
What's the best ethos to pair with Spiritualist?
I was thinking Pacifist to max out habitability and happiness. Or maybe Xenophile?
>>337995307
back to tumblr with you
>>337995065
I think the point is you can't make it at the beginning.
Isn't the damage of a spaceport supposed to increase when you upgrade them?
>>337995831
if you upgrade their weapons
>>337996387
Care to explain how?
is this game enjoyable for some that likes games like total war or civilization but hates space nerd shit?
t. cool person in an anonymous imageboard
>>337996821
My bad, seems you can't. Stupid game. Even the research won't upgrade spaceports to a higher tech, they are stuck at level 1. Fuck this game
>>337997178
>hates space
>wants to play space game
fuck off
>>337997398
Crap, that's what I thought. Thanks.
>>337997518
i want to play a good strategy game for exchange.. but i don't care about scifi - hence the question
>>337997730
No. You wouldn't like it.
>>337997730
>strategy
this game aint for you then. At least not in it's current state.
>>337997730
Stop asking /v/'s opinion whether you will like something you retarded faggot. Try it yourself.
>planet is happy
>faction still butthurt
GET OUT HIPPIES REEEEE.
How can I deal with factions without appeasing them or spending influence?
>>337995350
I like pairing xenophile and pacifist cause they get some of the same restrictions.
So spiritualist/xenophile/pacifist is alright.
Alternatively go spiritualist/militarist/xenophobe and kill people with psi armies.
>>337998536
>spiritualist/militarist/xenophobe
spiritualist/militarist/collectivist master race here
Where's the guy that made that race of frat boys a while back? I wanna know how The Party's doing on the galactic stage.
How does this compare to GalCiv 3?
>>337998291
>integrate some warmongering neighbors early to keep them from getting out of control
>each of the two planets I gained start their own independence factions
>park armies on both planets
>right before one of them is about to revolt they both reset support and start hemorrhaging members
I dunno if that's what you're supposed to do or if some modifier kicked in/wore off just in time but the worst they can do on paper is form armies and revolt at full support and I had a full loadout of jedi soldiers waiting for them.
Based Praetor Fenix. You died honorably in battle, and for that, you shall have the most beautiful of planets in your honor.
Also, I just researched into Orbital Mind Control Lasers and Commissars. Truly blessed.
So i just did the covert infiltration of Earth and now im wondering what to do with the planet. My people are decadent so would enslaving the humans be the best option? Also should i purge some of them to make room for my other pops?
Do people migrate between sectors?
I'm filling planets up with pop before I cut them into sectors, but I think I may have to prohibit migration if that's the case.
>>337999869
Yes
I've got some of >>337999598 in sectors leaking into my nonsector planets but they're better for physics research so I'm okay letting a few out.
>>337999609
based protoss bro
Who made the separate_humans mod? My humans aren't showing up anymore.
>establish 20 world empire with a strong fleet and good tech
>get kind of bored
>restart and do it again
IT KEEPS HAPPENING
>>338000717
>restart 20 more times because I got a ridiculously awful starting location
>>337980892
>he cant do diplomacy
>he cant get anyone to like him
I guess its just like your life then
>>338000528
>hyperspace
>not warp
>when they warp in units and buildings in game
>>338000961
oh snap! good one pal
Where is orkbro and his sexy ork
I need that mod
>>338001035
Thanks mate, took me hours to make it
>>338001021
>>338000528
Right on, even picked the same species I did for the Brotoss. Very nice. Just pick up Wormholes instead and you're 100% good to go. Almost exactly how I set mine up too.
>>338001021
I'm not going warp
Anyone have the extra-galactic tentacled eyeball aliens invade their galaxy yet? I haven't been able to see or interact with them since they're on the other side of the galaxy and I'm surrounded by 12 empires, but the game makes it sound like they'd be able to fuck up even an FE. Any stories with this event?
>>337990336
>traits
>cautious
>>338001021
Their stuff is more like wormhole tech, teleporting things from their planet directly to the battlefield.
>>337995389
Not him, but you are the one literally triggered by seeing humans not of your skin colour in a game about ayy lmaos.
>>337983001
Pretty sure it's a horse.
>>338000961
Why would you do diplomacy in this game unless you're flat out incapable of competing with your neighbors?
Alliances cost influence, can needlessly drag you into defensive wars, and you can't start your own wars without giving your allies a cut.
Federations don't cost anything but now you don't control your own fleet.
Like, there's nothing you can do as an alliance or federation where you're not better off just conquering and vassalizing potential allies if that's how you want to go.
>>338001363
But that's what they do, Anon. Why not?
>>338001390
Just had it happen to me in my match, they are eating through my federation ally pretty fast. So far I saw a couple of 30k fleets, numerous space stations in systems that they've taken. I didn't interact with them yet though, since another empire is blocking me off from reaching muh ally.
Also you can't speak to them, you just get that eyeball talking gibberish.
>>337977875
Is this game worth getting while I wait for Overwatch to drop, or should I just mess around in Monster Hunter instead?
I'm bored to death.
>>338001561
>pretending it's only about the color of skin and not the entire genetic lineage which as done literally nothing with the most resource rich continent on the planet despite owning it for thousands of years whilst actually advanced people's kept growing around them
Fuck off, retard.
>>338001812
Not him but you type like a retard.
>>338001785
yes
>>338001785
Which traits would a faction based onhopehave?
>>338001712
1. Because its fun
2. Because its challenging
What does having a vassal do for me?
Do I get any of their resources or something?
I conquered some guy and made him my vassal but besides access to his space I don't see any benefits.
They are fanatic xenophobes and are happy that I conquered them which is strange also.
How do I get access to genetic manipulation and uplifting tech?
All random?
>>337986047
>talk about a game
>shill shill shill shill shill shill
fuck off
>>338002094
Their ships follow you to war. That's it.
You get genetic manipulation randomly in society tech.
>>338002094
>How do I get access to genetic manipulation and uplifting tech?
randomly becomes available in research
>vassals
they go to war with you. You get nothing else
>>338001812
If whites are so great, why did europeans only get ahead technologically 500 years ago when humans have existed for hundreds of thousands of years?
Also africa isn't geographically favorable to building a large agriculture based civilization at all.
The Nile is a huge exception in many ways as it's navigable and allowed large scale agriculture which is why Egypt is an early exception.
>>338001785
That's the exact reason why I bought it, so/and yes.
>>338001812
You are angry because this imaginary character's ancestors were not efficient enough with the resources in their continent?
This is a very very specific kind of autism. I wonder what went wrong in your life to make you this brain damaged or if it was just genetic.
>>338002354
Egyptians are not black
>>338001739
>30K fleets
Damn...so nothing then. I recently integrated an empire and vassalized 3 others. I have almost 900 fleet score and around 700 is filled. I have 5 fleets over 35k each. Literally every empire is inferior or pathetic on everything but tech which is either equivalent or superior. I was hoping they'd be stronger with like multiple 100k+ fleets.
>>338002424
I'm talking about the geography of the african continent nigger.
>>338002610
but Egyptians are not black
>>338002610
so sand?
>>338002526
I presume they'll get much more numerous as they infest planets.
Why the fuck does increasing the size and population of my empire tank my fucking researching ability? That makes no goddamn sense. I don't remember this ever being in any previous paradox game, so what the fuck were they thinking?
Completely ruins the game for me.
>>338002252
>>338002339
So there is nothing I can do to get the tech faster?
Sucks about the vassals. Can't I add them to my empire somehow?
>>338002610
Why are you even humouring him? These fucks live in a constant tantrum, triggered by almost everything they see and constantly playing the victim, the only way they get off is trying to turn every single discussion of everything from vidya to television to anime into how racist they are.
>>338002751
Tall vs wide empires
They are balancing it out so that people who play in a small civilization that focuses on technology has an advantage over a faction that just takes over every planet. Otherwise there is literally no reason to stay small, and you should expand rapidly in every direction killing and taking everything since there would be zero consequences.
It works well, shouldnt change.
>>338002785
>So there is nothing I can do to get the tech faster?
kill all your pops except those in research plants/labs
>Put robutt on high-mineral-yield square
>give planet to a sector
>sector places robutt on low yield square and puts a regular pop on the high yield
but why
>>338002354
>mayans and aztecs created a civilization in e jungle
>same weather is found below the sahara desert since guess what, Africa isn't a huge desert or a giant savannah
>niggers still couldn't do shit even when they had huge lakes and rivers all around
But we wuz kangz right?
>>338002354
Because it takes a long time to advance, but only those who were the first to leave the agriculturally unfavorable parts of Africa for better places are at the forefront of advanced adaptation. Niggers are dumb cuz they never thought to find better places to live. And now that we have technology we can easily live in Africa, but niggers keep kicking us out and destroying the stuff we built while calling us racist.
>>338002420
No I'm angry because real people's ancestors were not and still are not efficient enough with the resources on their home continent, while at the same time they come to white society and pretend they have the right to access any of the benefits WE worked for to have for OURSELVES. Imagine if you baked a cake then had a bunch of crackheads and homeless drunks calling you names for not letting them have a piece of your cake. Then some bystanders who don't know the situation but want to butt in anyway take their side and use authority to force you to give them the cake.
>>338002889
Jesus fuck WHAT
I've been spreading out for the explicit reason to try and get tech faster with research stations, apparently spreading out SLOWS DOWN tech?
I think I might be done with this game.
>>338002640
I was using egypt as a comparison because it's also in africa
I could have used fucking china or the middle east it doesn't fucking matter dumbass
>>338002889
Its still good regardless to make bunch of planets so your strong enough to go vassalize your enemies.
>Get half of the artifacts necessary for Cybrex precursor quest.
>Cybrex anomalies stop spawning.
Quests in this game are irritating as shit.
I especially want to punch whoever thought "Instantly survey every alien you've contacted so you can't search their worlds for anomalies" was a good tech to have. My borders are tiny because I refuse to take Galactic Ambition until I find the last three Cybrex planets.
>>338002996
The fucking Aztecs were a joke, and people always forget that they had only reached that level of civilization while europe had gunpowder etc and was starting to colonise the world.
>>338003089
Wait, you personally built western civilization? How can I thank you?! Everyone is hugely indebted to you, personally.
>>338003108
The cost is the pre-set base cost of each technology multiplied by 2% for every pop in the empire over 10. Having a research agreement treaty with another empire gives a -25% cost reduction on any technology already unlocked by that empire.
>>338002785
press ~ and type techupdate until you get the one you want. Or just do it normally if you are not a faggot, that shit always pops up somewhere in the midgame
>>338003108
Population slows down your tech
Every pop after 10 increases your research rate.
>>338003216
you make it sound like Europe was one giant empire back then. The aztecs could rape some smaller countries like the Scandinavians.
>>338003089
You're an idiot. Taking pride in something you haven't accomplished and backing that up with dumb arguments is one thing. But to project that into videogames? That's quite dumb.
Feminists and SJWs are annoying when they interject politics in vidya and you're no different. Keep your bullshit ideology off it.
>>338003286
his ancestors were busy trying to sack rome pay him no mind
>>338003216
If they were a joke then how come the Africans couldn't get to their joke level?
>>338003117
Okay but Egyptians are not black
>>338003173
Precursor planets always spawn very close to each other, so unless you took that tech finding them shouldn't be that hard.
>>338003108
you have to devote a portion of all your planet squares to research buildings to even out your pop count research penalty
thats how you keep up
>>338002889
That is a dumb fucking idea. Why would I be punished for improving an empire for no other reason than to balance me out towards people that don't play well? Should I be losing minerals because some idiot decided to stick to one planet instead of expanding?
>>338003108
Same. I put everything I did into researching better techs, getting more and more planets to fuel gradually better technology. I come across some random birdfucker, and their tech is on the same level as me. All because I colonized like a madman.
What a dumb fucking mechanic.
>>338003286
That's cute but you know what I mean. My ancestors built civilization for their children and their children's children, etc.
NOT for the descendants of savages and their enemies to benefit from.
They're all rolling in their Graves for the shit we're doing to the homelands they fought and died for.
>>338003426
Which Africans in particular? Ethiopia and Mali both did pretty impressive things.
>>338003535
>than to balance me out towards people that don't play well?
But that isnt what its doing, its forcing you to make a choice between the benefits of expanding or the benefits of staying small
Its common game design and a smart choice on Paradox's end. You're being entitled.
>>338003585
your ancestors were from where? the ancient romans and greeks are gone and so are the babylonians
>>338002996
Mayans and aztecs didn't have metalwork, they were hardly more advanced than many sub-saharan africans. Though they were the only other civilization to develop writing completely independently to their credit.
Also, the african jungles had more troublesome fauna and diseases like malaria.
The american continent was conquered two centuries before africa for a fucking reason.
All I wanted, was to assimilate organic lifeforms into automatons. Instead I have to either purge them, enslave them or let them be a part of the Automaton Master Race. Goddamn it, why can't I grant them the Gift of Metal?
>>338002890
>>338003324
Thanks. I'll just wait though, playing on Ironman anyway. Figured there must be some trigger to get it like with psionics-spirituality and the like.
>>338003535
>>338003108
>WAAH WHY DOESNT THE GAME ONLY PLAY MY WAY
Fuck off. Having multiple play styles and multiple pros/cons situations is good, and both sides in this case are balanced well.
>>338003585
Your ancestors probably didn't contribute much or anything for that matter unless they were scientists, nobles or some other important people.
Your ancestors are rolling in their graves because you left Christianity. Their ancestors are rolling because they're not pagan anymore. Race is not something they were aware of much.
Does anyone know how much one research resource increases research speed? I can't find information on it.
>>338002889
Colonizing should require an investment of all your resources, not give penalties to research. Then you make up for it by getting the sector's resources income. Turn it into using resources for colonies or building armies or improving your already conquered planets.
>>338003383
Fuck off nigger. If he doesn't want apes in his game he has a right to that opinion.
You want niggers? That's fine but don't project your agenda onto others faggot.
>>338003650
There are no benefits to staying small. Luxembourg doesn't have better technology than the United States because they're confined to a geographically limited area. It's a dumb mechanic with no thematic backing
>>338003791
I've played games that had tall and wide empires. I don't have a problem with facing issues in logistics as I grow my empire, that's fine. Having tech fucked with is a different story. It makes no sense
Suck my dick, I'm not going anywhere.
>>338003535
You have a very narrow definition of "playing well". Some people would argue that building a tall empire and micromanaging your core worlds to their maximum efficiency is much harder than shitting out colony ships, settling every available planet and building space mines everywhere while sectors take care of actual planet management.
I think that playing wide and tall should both have their benefits and right now they do. Tall has better tech, but wide has much better economy and fleet capacity.
>>338003916
Yeah no, thats a stupid idea. It means the only right way to play is to hog the galaxy and mass expand.
>colonize desert world even though I have continental preference
>factions immediately wants independence
>grant them independence
>"we're still angry as fuck but at least we don't have that strong empire protecting us"
I played about 25 hours messing around with several ironman campaigns but I won't try to seriously play until they fix the the game.
>>338003673
They didn't have metalwork because it wasn't available to them you stupid cunt, that's why they had obsidian and other ores to work with.
>>338003585
The racist ideology you have is pretty new, the Romans built their empire for the glory of ROME the state and their gods.
Unless you have a shrine to Jupiter Optimus Maximus you can shut up right now.
>>338003364
>The aztecs could rape some smaller countries like the Scandinavians
Lolno, the aztecs wouldn't have a fucking chance.
>>338003948
>There are no benefits to staying small. Luxembourg doesn't have better technology than the United States because they're confined to a geographically limited area. It's a dumb mechanic with no thematic backing
What a completely stupid attempt to justify a mechanic being bad.
Its a game. Its a feature to add in different play styles. Stop getting so mad that the game doesnt just cater to you.
I don't fucking get it. My fleet of 2 Battleships, 4 Cruisers, 10 Destroyers, and 20 Corvettes as 6.8k power, while one of my allies has a fleet of marginally larger size of almost 10k. I'm using auto design because I can't be arsed to do it all myself, but I assume thats how the AI empires do it too, so whats with the huge difference?
Is there a certain weapon tech I should be focusing on more?
>>338004003
First, you build an army on said planet. Also, let a huge fleet stay nearby. Let them rebel. Should they happen to crush your stationary army then let the fleet take care of the rest.
>>338003965
If you mass expand then you can't defend yourself, because you spent resources into colonizing, how is that hard to understand.
>>338004024
Oh right, mesoamerica was completely devoid of iron or copper.
>>338003948
>Having tech fucked with is a different story.
Its not "fucked' by you expanding, its balancing you moron. You can still research quickly but you have to reinvest into research. Are you really so stupid you cant figure this out?
>Suck my dick, I'm not going anywhere.
And no one agrees with you that arbitrary limitations on gameplay because you dont like them is a smart idea. Stay if you want, but all you're doing is showing you're a whiny bitch who cant handle the game.
>>338003928
>LITERALLY "ur a faget" the event
How did I never pick up on this
>>337990035
People that play on non-retard difficulty, AKA hard.
I tried playing on normal, and it was just an incredibly easy blowout, if someone actually plays on that setting they're wasting their time.
Meanwhile on hard this shit actually matters, and it feels more like a game instead of a sandbox fuck-around.
Seeing people being all proud of their large empires and fleets is just kinda cute when I know they were playing handhold-mode.
>>338004041
his ancestors were likely disgusting barbars that had to be culturally and scientifically uplifted by the Romans anyway
>>338004124
>PANDER TO MEEEEE
No.
>>338002751
It was in Eu3.
>>338003383
You don't have to personally accomplish something to feel pride, asshole.
I can't be proud of what my ancestors accomplished for their descendants, i.e. me? Really? Can't have team spirit? But that's only if you're white, right? Everyone else gets to support their race.
The only reason people like me are talking about this like this in relation to video games is precisely because those leftist SWJ fucks started trying to break down meanings of things in vidya to push their shitty all inclusive political agendas. People like me are a natural reaction to that action. Everything was fine back in the day, why? Because it was mostly white people doing white stories with white characters and white innovation driving entertainment media. No one cared because its normal and makes sense for the majority population of a country to make media that panders to its majority population. You don't see complaints that Chinese films are only Chinese, or Japanese films not having enough diversity. It's all whites being forced to diversify and pander to anyone but themselves.
>>338004114
crushing a rebellion isnt the problem, its that despite having tech unlocked to specifically colonize low habitability worlds my pops are some how disloyal because the planet they live on isnt exactly like Earth (Which makes no fucking sense)
It's like saying people in Arizona want to rebel against the US government because Arizona is in a desert
>>338004158
>>338003948
>>338003535
i really really really think the point is to have expanded pop empires pour more into research buildings
so theoretically if your expand your planets at the same rate you build more laboratories you research at *roughly the same rate* as an empire of smaller size, with less planet squares to build on..
Anyone playing on insane? Whats it like?
>>338004224
I'm not asking to be pandered, I'm asking for a balance measure that makes sense.
/pol/ pls we are trying to colonize the galaxy here.
>>338004049
What a completely stupid attempt to justify your shitty game for being shitty.
>>338004158
Multiple other people in this thread are able to grasp that expanding should not tank your researching abilities. When expanding, one of the CORE portions of 4X games, harms my ability to get awesome techs, then it's a stupid fucking system.
It's a game, I don't have to handle shit. If it's lame then I'm going to say so. Once again, suck my dick.
>>338004427
its insane brah
>>338004279
What you are angry about is literally a RNG having outcomes it can pick that involve people with a different skin colour to you.
Having "team spirit" in no way means you need to blindly hate other "teams", what is actually happening is you are bitter and angry about your own life and are trying to play the victim card to feel better about yourself.
>>338004404
Dont bother, that idiot thinks anything that doesnt pander to his playstyle makes the game bad.
>>338004452
It does make sense, and it works, you're just a moron.
>>338003948
>There are no benefits to staying small. Luxembourg doesn't have better technology than the United States because they're confined to a geographically limited area. It's a dumb mechanic with no thematic backing
It's not like the US has flying cars while Luxembourg doesn't.
Also Luxembourg is like #2 in gdp per capita.
The people there probably have access to more technology than the average american.
And just because there's a tech penalty for every pop above 10 doesn't mean that a smaller empire out techs a larger one.
Higher pops lets you work on more research facilities.
>>338004185
>I know they were playing handhold-mode.
So are you. On any difficulty the AI is incapable of playing the game its in. If YOU truly wanted a challenge you'd be playing MP.
>>338004427
it's hard, fags are allied up the ass
>>338004404
What is the right rate anyway?
>>338004459
>WAAAAAHH WHY CANT I JUST STEAMROLL EVERYTHING
>WAHHH CHOICES ARE BAD
Fuck off. Or dont, no one cares either way.
>>338004457
ok, but promise to help hitler if you find Sol III and they're in ww2
promise
>>338004496
>I'm a moron for wanting logic in the mechanics behind the game
I'm done replying to you.
>>338004573
>Uh oh, someone with a different opinion is insulting my baby game! Better use greentext to make it look like he's crying!
ur a fag btw
>>338004459
Calm your titties boi.
There's hardly any drawback for expanding as is, as long as you keep putting at least some focus on research on your new colonies your research speed will increase.
The game has a fuckload of problems but this isnt one of them.
So apparently the sector paying for frontier outposts is a exploit and people get banned from multi for doing that (according to Arumba)
It did make sense to me though. Why should I pay for it if it belongs to my sectors governor.
>>338003216
The difference is that the Aztecs and Mayans were making progress, they were just a thousand or so years late to the party.
They probably would have been much more advanced than the whites if it didn't take thousands upon thousands of years to even immigrate there in the first place.
>>338004496
>being this triggered and defensive
I was one of the guys complaining in this chain, what seems bullshit to me is how badly this was communicated and how it makes no sense. I feel like they could have done it in a way that at least made sense, I don't even know what this is meant to be simulating.
>>338004618
>>I'm a moron for wanting logic
No anon, you're a moron because you cant grasp the basic logic that already exists that balances the game.
But go ahead, stop replying because you realize how stupid you sound.
>>338004608
Yeah, sure.
>>338002785
You can integrate vassals after enough years through the contact screen.
>>338004676
>i didnt do any research into the game and now i look stupid
>wahhhhhhh :(
No one cares.
>>338004656
He doesn't need to greentext to make you look like you're crying. You're officially the whiniest cunt of the day. Grow up.
>>338004608
>implying I wouldn't correct humanity's mistakes
>>338004660
i assumed sectors being assigned outposts would be a one-way trip to a game crash
how do sectors maintain the influence cost if it cant gain influence
So can you make new races? Can I make an empire of little girls and blitz the galaxy them?
>>338004759
Reminder that you need to be over 18 to post on this site.
>>338004041
>muh ancients had no care about races meme
Literally fucking kill yourself. Bloodlines and race were all that mattered back then. You can find mentions for the qualities between differing races in the most ancient of documents. People have always known their roots and how much it matters. The only new thing is people's refusal to acknowledge differences between groups of Humans and how they have their own advantages and disadvantages that actually do matter.
My ancestry is traced to ancient Europe and the Anglo-Saxons. I'm not referring to simply my specific genetic lineage, but all white people who as a race have contributed the most to the planet's advancement of quality of life.
But I'm derailing the thread and I'll stop posting now. Good luck in your stellaris games. Hopefully the next couple of DLC won't suck.
>>338004676
>what seems bullshit to me is how badly this was communicated and how it makes no sense
Now you are just being stupid, this shit was explained in one of the diaries ages ago. The purpose of which was to ensure people liked the way they were shaping the game.
The vast majority agreed that expanding needed to be punished multiple ways in order to promote two styles of play.
>>338004672
They NEVER would have been as advanced as the whites becausethey didn't have contact with the middle east and through them china and india
>>338004185
The AI sucks. We need 2-3 expansions and a few patches before the game is complete.
It's still fun and I'll play it a little till then.
>>338004510
I pirated it, and I also moved back from the city to live with my parents for the summer now that college is over and they have shit internet.
Nothing I can really do.
>>338004676
>I feel like they could have done it in a way that at least made sense, I don't even know what this is meant to be simulating.
Its a fucking video game moron
It adds in different ways to play. And adds in a mechanic that players who play wide or tall have to take into account and counter themselves.
Jesus christ its not that fucking hard if you play wide, just build more research stations and research buildings.
I hope they end up letting us blow up suns/planets and being able to toss black holes at people.
>>338004658
>>338004679
>>338004759
>>338004856
So what's the logic behind having less research the more population you have? Why would the general population bog the scientists down, where's the logic in that? If you can't explain it then it's flawed and stupid.
>>338004672
>The difference is that the Aztecs and Mayans were making progress, they were just a thousand or so years late to the party.
The mayans weren't that late, but in their collapses there weren't too many that could pick up the torch and progress.
I assume because there weren't a lot of viable land to the east and west like there were in the mediterranean, mideast, india and china
>>338004760
My bad your game is perfect, no flaws whatsoever. I forgot I'm not allowed to complain about retarded mechanics and that this was a shill thread. :^)
>>338004829
Europeans sucked until colonialism.
>playing multiplayer with vg fags
>they get butt devastated and ban me because I attack with corvettes only and don't wait 5 hours no rush rules
>>338004938
Yeah, you're right.
But it's not just the AI, it's just that in this game, like most civilization building games, the winner is the one who hits critical mass and starts blobbing earliest.
Once you have twice as many planets as the second biggest empire it's fucking over.
>>338004829
It would really help if you read a single history book in your life. You'd be less constantly angry about everything.
If you are an Anglo Saxon you are part of the race that tore down a province of the Roman Empire, sacking and bringing the dark ages with them: writing, science, etc all got reset due to your shitty ancestors.
I want you to apologise for that right now.
Btw the crux of your retardation is in here
>The only new thing is people's refusal to acknowledge differences between groups of Humans and how they have their own advantages and disadvantages that actually do matter.
Your failures in your own life had made you want to cling to some superiority you feel you naturally have over the rest of the world, something that you contributed nothing to, but in your state it's all you have.
>>338005079
It takes longer to implement the research/improved tech the bigger your empire is.
>>338001332
>dat materialism is dialectical
>>338005079
See >>338004856
Stop fucking thinking Stellaris is real life. You might actually have autism.
>>338004856
>you should be expected to read every dev diary before playing a game
Fuck that, the in game tutorial should have explained it.
>>338005228
So it's mechanics, no real logical explanation. Amazing.
>>338005047
It needs to have a thematic backing or it's a dumb mechanic. If you lost a planet every time you built a ship, it would add a layer of strategy. But it would be a dumb fucking mechanic. And you would probably be defending it too, because you're a huge shill faggot.
>>338005079
>If you can't explain it then it's flawed and stupid.
We have, multiple times.
You dont like the explanation because it forces you to think, and we all know now that you find thinking very very hard.
Go play CoD or something, Stellaris is obviously not the right game for you.
>>338005185
I'm hopeful. It's fucking CK all over again. Game comes out, seems like it has some good ideas, but missing a lot of depth. 12 dlcs later and it finally feels almost complete.
>>338005079
We've had condoms for almost half a century and we still can't get niggers in africa to use them to avoid getting and spreading aids.
>>338005341
Still haven't answered shit.
>>338005079
The bigger your empire, the harder it is to coordinate research institutions from all over the galaxy.
>>338005301
>>338005330
>I DONT LIKE BALANCE THAT FORCES ME TO THINK WAAAAAAAAAAH
Too bad
Its a absolutely fantastic feature that adds depth. Too bad you're so stupid you cant even work around it.
>>338005228
They could have at least thrown a slider in there or something, "Colonization/Specialisation", showing that more money was going into spreading your people across the stars as opposed to making [your bit of space] great again
>>338005079
The Emperor of Man disagrees with you.
>>338005154
>rome sucked
>>338005341
>Go play CoD! You can't handle our incredibly complex title!
Whatever you say fuckface. Keep it quiet, actual criticism of your shitty game is taking place though.
>>338005396
Being purposely ignorant because you are trying to save face doesnt make you right.
People have addressed why having more population should decrease your technology multiple times, you are just being an idiot.
>>338005417
The only thing I have to think is how to justify your shitty mechanic can possibly make sense in-universe.
I also struggle to understand how you can survive on the meager pay shilling for paradox gets you.
>>338005360
Your first mistake was thinking Stellaris was anything like a GS game. Even calling it a 4X/GS hybrid is bit of a stretch.
It's a 4X game, and your expectations should have been adjusted to such.
>>338005460
Feel free to post a valid criticism then rather than crying that the game has more depth than you realized.
>>338005451
Compared to the east, yeah.
>>338005561
>I DONT LIKE IT SO ITS BAD
Too bad for you.
>>338005360
Not really, CKII was great on release and to be honest has barely changed other than Conclave and Old Gods.
Stellaris feels like the first half of a 4X. It's very pretty and has some lovely polish and flavour stuff, but is way way behind what other 4Xs by smaller studios would be expected to have.
Is there a Stellaris soundtrack? And if so how might I go about acquiring it?
>>338005205
No one person alive is directly related to any ancient group. They've all mostly mixed by now. So I'm not Anglo-Saxon, that's just a portion.
Regardless, Rome was doomed from within long before they got sacked.
You act like it's a support of your argument that even when civilization almost got reset, whites were STILL ahead of everyone else. So "white" anglo-saxons sacked "white" Rome and brought the dark ages, yet none of the other races managed to catch up and whites STILL had to lead the era of enlightenment and the age of industry and the Renaissance.
>>338005341
Holy shit. It is a paracuck shill thread.
Fix your game.
>>338004185
>if you're not minmaxing you must be playing on normal
>you need to minmax because otherwise you'll lose on hard
>you need to play on hard because normal is too easy
You do see the problem here, right?
If you're taking the game as a serious challenge you're dumber than the game's fucking broken exploitable AI anyway.
>>338005608
I did post a valid criticism. Then some retard with an intense fascination of carrot-posting babycrying decided to reply as though me questioning anything paradox makes is sacreligious.
All I'm saying is that it's silly for me to have research penalties for settling in more planets. I'm used to having various penalties when colonizing in 4X games. But this specific balancing method seems heavyhanded and unjustified thematically.
>>338005707
Watch it there, buster, you almost went a post without greentexting.
>>338005819
Yeah look kid samefagging replies wont change how wrong you are either.
>>338005832
>games have to entertain first, challenge second
Go play COD kid
>>338005867
>All I'm saying is that it's silly for me to have research penalties for settling in more planets
Thats probably why everyone is calling you an idiot because its one of the good features of the game
>>338005867
>WAAHH PANDER TO MEEEE
But seriously, you're pathetic.
>Be crab race
>pretty much a xenophobe dick, tell everyone to back the fuck off when I meet them because I don't want to deal with them and just expand for now
>one race takes it personally
>Try to be nice to them occasionally but it never works
>Don't actually invade anyone, just expand or whatever. military isn't up to par yet
>this asshole race who won't stop being haters attack
>crab race overwhelmed by fleets of 10K ships
>overwhelm the empire and make me suck dick just to leave me alone
>mfw i lost the war I didn't even want or incite and four planets while they lecture me about being a warmonger
>>338005953
>>338006043
Guys, calm down with the autism. It's just a bad game, Paradox isn't paying you enough to raise your blood pressure this much.
>>338005812
>You act like it's a support of your argument that even when civilization almost got reset, whites were STILL ahead of everyone else.
Again, read a history book. Why the hell do you have such strong opinions about periods of history you know literally nothing about? Anglo-Saxons didn't fucking sack Rome.
Conditions in Early Middle Ages Britain were absolutely nothing like what was happening in, say, Persia, India or China, or even the fucking Horn of Africa.
>>338005950
>I am literally autistic and cannot fathom that there are multiple ways to enjoy things
I do play challenging games, but they sure as fuck aren't fucking paradox grandstrats. They're fun little roleplaying empire builders, nothing more.
>>338004495
https://mindmodeling.org/cogsci2010/papers/0307/paper0307.pdf
http://jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk/16/3/7.html
Life is a team sport and your side is decided for you at birth. Who you are is nothing more than what you are. You feel pride in your ancestors to remember what you are capable of doing and aspiring to be greater. Get the fuck out of here with you 2000's era "Communist-atheists of the world forums" tier bullshit about patriotism and racial pride being unwarranted.
>>338005867
>I did post a valid criticism.
You started bitching that the game balances different play styles, you didnt post any valid criticisms.
>>338006063
FUCK YOU CRAB PEOPLE
I TURN YOU INTO SOUP
>>338006063
>while they lecture me about being a warmonger
kek
>>338006109
You should probably stop posting now. Go play Call of Duty or whatever they're shitting out for the mentally handicapped nowadays.
>>338006109
>no longer even attempting to argue his point, not that he had any valid point in the first place
>reaction image
>meme spouting 'shill shill shill bad game'
Prime example of attempting to save face. You were wrong but at least you admitted it.
>>338006210
not even kidding. they trolled me into starting over.
>>338006109
>anime shitposting after getting BTFO for being a bitch
>>>/a/
>>338005867
It's ok to lose this one anon, you don't need to save face, this is an anonymous imageboard.
Paradox Interactive threads are great, it's like planting a seed then harvesting the autism some hundred posts later
>>338005730
All factions basically played the same on release of CK. The religious changes came later. War system changed from release. Retinues were added. Faction system was added later. There was more than just old gods and conclave. Unless you only played Western areas.
>>338005407
Well too bad all research in stellaris happen literally in a virtual cloud space
There are so many things that could be added, Stellaris right now feels like an early access game
Stellaris is alright, but it makes me really want to get back into Distant Worlds
That's a much better game honestly
>>338006272
you will never finish a game then.
>>338006228
>>338006245
Damn, are you guys paid by the post? Or is it an hourly gig? You guys got a website where I can apply? Seems like a pretty fun position.
>>338005867
>all I'm saying is that the entire game needs to be decided in the early game landgrab
>all I'm saying is that the game should be a matter of sitting around with literally no threats for a couple of hundred years because you got the most territory and therefore research early on
>all I'm saying is that there should only be one viable playstyle
You're retarded.
>play as a Human empire that I created
>find a Human Civ in the machine age nearby
>find the Human Commonwealth or something also nearby
I must unite all Human peoples under my flag.
>>338006438
Already did, this was just a new game for shits and giggles
M-Maybe next year.
>>338006445
>pls stop making fun of me because im so stupid I dont know how to play :(
Cry some more bitch nigga, you were wrong.
>>338006493
lol
>>338006361
>All factions basically played the same on release of CK.
You clearly didn't play back then. There was only one "faction" you could play as. And it was fine.
You COULD only play western areas at the start. The only real large change to core gameplay was Retinues, which wasn't that large at all, and then way way later Conclave. Everything else has been incremental or just side features that no-one plays, who the fuck goes Muslim or Republic?
>>338006450
I didn't say any of those things. Lots of 4X games let you expand just fine while also letting you research better techs faster. Keep crying your game sucks, bitchboy.
>>338006381
>Well too bad all research in stellaris happen literally in a virtual cloud space
Uh yeah, it's a game
>>338006445
I dont know shill, are you? Nice false flagging through.
>>338006127
Just repeating what the person I replied to posted.
>you are part of the race that tore down a province of the Roman Empire, sacking and bringing the dark ages with them
Yeah I know a provnice is the whole empire, but does that matter? It fell as a result, direct or indirect.
What are the top tier government types?
I've been playing as a Military Republic/or a Theocratic Republic most of the time for the early game influence boosts as well as the reduced ship upkeep/increased core planets respectively.
But I'm starting to think being a democracy just straight up isn't worth it because rolling the dice on having a shit ruler every 5 years blows, and late game always hunting down new stations to build becomes a real hassle.
Speaking of miner/research mandates, can you just demolish them and rebuild them to get the bonus?
>>338006450
Not him, but why are you so triggered by any criticism of the game?
There are loads of ways you could balance it to different playstyles without this shitty little mechanic, it definitely looks like a quick stop gap instead of anything substantive or meaningful.
>>338005867
>All I'm saying is that it's silly for me to have research penalties for settling in more planets. I'm used to having various penalties when colonizing in 4X games. But this specific balancing method seems heavyhanded and unjustified thematically.
You're right. As nations become larger and more unwieldy, the level and quality of research only increases.
Which is why as American hegemony reaches new levels of power, NASA funding has continued to skyrocket to new heights in 2016 and beyond.
>>338006680
You need to stop digging, or just give up having strong opinions on things you know literally nothing about.
Britain fell to the Anglo Saxons AFTER Rome was sacked.
>>338006484
fair enough. just assumed the previous post was a newer players experience for some reason.carry on
>>338006707
Feel free to post a valid criticism then
>>338006707
>go into a games thread
>post some absolutely arbitrary post about how you dont like X feature for no justifiable reason other than 'i dont like it'
>expects people to care
Pfffffffffffffffffffft
>>338006457
>play as Humans from Earth in the Sol system
>a hundred odd years later some faggot otter people in my federation uplift a vassal of humans from the planet Sol III in the Sol system
This really is the worst shit. Why would they not put a check for that in?
>>338005868
Hope you like Muslim cocks up your ass paracuck.
How is your wife's son? Does he enjoy your shitty game?
>>338006737
I can't remember, was it America, one of the largest and richest nations in the planet, that walked on the moon? Or was it shitty, tiny Armenia that did? What was the other nation that had a really large, advanced space program? Oh yeah, it was Russia, another nation that was possessed with an empire-building expansion.
>>338006445
>You guys got a website where I can apply?
You should probably spend your time getting good at games instead, scrub.
>>338006825
The other anon's criticisms seemed pretty valid. There should be some meaningful way that you mould your empire in a tall or wide shape that makes sense and leads to different playstyles, not a hidden modifier slapped on that makes no sense.
>>338006707
>There are loads of ways you could balance it to different playstyles without this shitty little mechanic
What you are trying to say is you dont like how the game punishes you for playing your way and want it to pander to you
There is an easy option you know, or maybe download that god mode mod.
>>338006692
Transcendent Empire makes your people love slavery so much that they get happier for being enslaved
This game is missing spies.
>>338006964
T*rks sabotaged the Armenian space program
>>338006978
Nice try at samefagging but we all know its you idiot.
It isnt hidden, its stated in game under one of the tabs. And just because you dont like this method of balancing doesnt make it bad.
So come up with a valid criticism
>>338006796
Literally nothing you've said has changed the initial argument. Regardless of if I know these details or not, the point was that "whites" are in 1st place for a reason, and even if other whites had a hand in destroying Rome and a lot of scientific progress, we were still in 1st place after it.
>>338007007
In what possible way could you interpret what I said as that?
I'm saying the mechanic is shit and should be replaced with something more robust. This isn't a difficult game, why would I be complaining about it being too hard?
>>338007095
I also think it's valid you fucking cuck.
>>338007007
What he is trying to say is that the method of limiting expansion doesn't make sense.
You are very autistic and take it as a personal insult, so you're being defensive. That's okay, but remember to apologize after your outbursts in the future sport.
>more blacks than whites
Any realism mods released yet? It's really bothering me.
Can I deport xenos back to their home countries?
>>338007148
>>338007162
>more "I DONT LIKE IT SO ITS BAAAAD"
Naw, poor anon got hit in a nerve
Too fucking bad
>>338007138
Not really, the muslim world was undeniably ahead of "whites" after the Fall of Rome, as was China.
Stop having strong opinions about shit you know nothing about, just because it makes you feel happier.
>>338007095
I do too.
Not being able to just fucking crush someone with my military is annoying as hell.
there should at least be military researches that vastly increase your warscore maximum, that would be a good compromise.
>>338006594
Most modern 4X games do dampen your research based on your empire's size, though. It's irrelevant though, because this isn't your standard 4X game. Territory is intentionally not as crucial. You're meant to be able to play as a smaller isolationist empire.
>>338006707
>Enter thread about game
>hurr durr why doesn't this game just let me wildly runaway with victory durr
>people tell you why you're retarded
>respond to every single one with "lol why are you so triggered by criticism"
You seem to be the one really unable to take people disagreeing with you. The fact that you stated it doesn't magically make your criticism valid.
>>338007151
>>338007321
Yeah, sure you do samefag
>>338007148
>>338006707
Like what, then?
If there's so many ways, surely you could list one.
>>338007331
There should be some mechanic in sports where, as you score more, you have to remove players from your team. It's only fair for the teams that like to play tall. :^)
>>338007321
>>338007162
Im with these anons
The game should be 100% military and expansion focuses. Everything in game that goes against that should be removed.
i.e. frontiers should be at least 100% cheaper, so should colonies, pops should be instant and give you max pop on settlement (fucking growth happening in a few years LOL), ships shouldnt have costs because lol i need to expand, ect ect
Shit game would not play anyway
>>338006594
>Lots of 4X games let you expand just fine while also letting you research better techs faster.
No they dont
In fact nearly all of them reduce your research rate one way or another in relation to expansion
Is it opposite day on /v/? I thought people here actually played 4X games and were used to these features.
>>338007095
There are at least two anons who are shitting on the mechanic and two defending it I think.
I think it sucks because it wasn't communicated properly and there was no fluff written for it. Instead of them implementing some active way you tailor yourself one way, it is just a modifier they dump on you. I'm not against tall vs wide empires, they just seem like they added it as an afterthought.
>>338007331
Playing a "tall" empire is way less fucking viable than civ.
You will not win the game with a tall empire unless in a federation, you will have a shitty fleet and will be killed by whoever the endgame crisis is.
>>338007458
Because a Stellaris is a serious competitive game, right?
>>338007612
You would think it's a religion, the way you fags defend every little scrap of it.
Intelligent + quick learners + indirect democracy = all leaders start at level 3 and science guys can do most anomalies.
>>338006381
>energy magically floats between planets without loss
>can't ship food between planets
>>338007587
>I think it sucks because it wasn't communicated properly
The wiki, their journal, and in game all explain it
Thats is more than enough justification for a mechanic that is LITERALLY irrelevant since you naturally counter it by expanding and claiming new research resources.
>>338007331
>You're meant to be able to play as a smaller isolationist empire.
Well they haven't done a very good job because expanding will get you a fuck load for minerals/energy. Sure a small exmpire might up their tech slightly faster but expansionists can mitigate that slight difference plus be able to build massive fleets. All the tech in the world won't save you against a massive fleet with only slightly worse tech than you.
>>338007685
Because defending one mechanic which the game literally hinges on is blindly defending the entire game, right?
>>338007415
Earlier I suggested a slider, or maybe something like colonization or military being different things you have to devote your pops that would otherwise be scientists to. What is weird at the moment is that you are always researching 3 things, in any system you will ALWAYS build every mining station and research station and then max out any planets on it with the same few compositions.
There should be more meaningful choices taking you down, say, a science route, or a spreading your seed across the stars route, or a conquest one. The fact you can't' even get a scientific or cultural victory really underlines how Early Access this game is.
>>338007612
>>338007774
stop instigating him already, he's too far in to ever admit he's wrong even though he knows it, you're gonna keep this childish game going on forever.
>>338007774
Defending one small criticism of your shitty game as though it's your pet dog is pretty dumb. That is what I am saying.
Keep up.
>>338007774
>>338007734
The game literally hangs on it or it is irrelevant? Decide amongst yourselves please.
>>338007475
>I'd better strawman people I disagree with because that's not childish at all!
Fuck off, idiot.
You know it's an issue, and you're just putting your head in the sand and whining now because you're a stubborn nigger that won't relent just because someone (Correctly) called you a retard once.
You're taking it way too personal.
>>338007937
I was just pointing out how stupid you are, stop getting mad.
>>338007590
>is way less fucking viable than civ.
Assuming you're talking about V here, that's really not fucking saying much.
But yes, playing a smaller empire does make you overall weaker. Your logic, then, is that smaller empires should be even weaker, and unable to even function properly in a federation?
What's your point again?
>>338005772
>Roman Empire
>Collapsed a millennia ago
>China
>Modern world super power
>>338007937
It's funny how the people criticising it are coming up with arguments and suggestions, and the two shills are just throwing tantrums and insults with every post.
I'm starting to believe they are just false flaggers who hate Stellaris really.
>>338007937
>You know it's an issue
No it isnt
They posted the research and how it worked on the forums and the overwhelming majority liked it
In fact this is the fist time I have ever seen anyone ever think it was a bad idea, not just for Stellaris but for any other 4X game that does it.
Its a good balancing mechanic.
>>338008049
I think its funny that although multiple people have pointed out why its necessary to have research increase with pop size, and how an important one that adds a lot of depth you continue to ignore those arguments because it doesnt fit into your arbitrary play style.
>>338008026
To be fair China has collapsed so many fucking times since then, including at the hand of the Q.T you just posted.
>>338008008
Playing "tall" is STRICTLY worse. There are no actual advantages to compensate like in other 4x games.
>>338008026
China has been conquered and fallen apart so many times you could barely count it.
Comparing modern China to China even 500 years ago is like comparing Germany to Rome
>every civ plays exactly the same
>forced interracial breeding camps
>dull war system
>meet first alien species literally within the first month, """"huge universe""""
>>338007894
So is mindlessly attacking a single mechanic despite lacking anything close to a point, and getting triggered hard when people call you retarded.
>>338008053
For every planet you settle, all of your scientists should die. It's just a balancing mechanic, anyone who thinks that's dumb should shut up because Stellaris is perfect and paradox can do no wrong!
>>338008150
>blinding ignoring that all of the posts have just been asking for it to be better implemented or explained and none of them want it removed
How can you be this addicted to shitposting
>>338008186
I agree with that last one. One default civ amounts the galaxy is way too tight
The problem being that if you lower it they don't evenly spread, so you get these big weird blank areas that are really boring
>>338008174
>>338008153
Except when they put it back together it's still China.
Germany will never be Rome.
>>338008026
>Count ancient china as todays china.
Might as well look at USA or EU as a natural progression of Rome then.
>Browsing mods
>Lol weeb races
>Let's try it
>Planet is now populated by fluffy tails
I feel like I have made a mistake.
>>338008162
Again, this implies that the game should make more territory lead into even more of a steamroll why?
>>338008339
The only thing that is the same is the geography bro
I like Stellaris but goddamit the AI isn't threatening in the least if you keep on the tech curb
>>338008364CLEANSEPURGEKILL
The AI is just plain awful.
>Alliance goes to war
okay
I'm gonna chill here
>4,000 strength blue ally fleet suddenly appears and sits on my fleet the entire war
WHY
>>338008361
>Americans are Rome
>>338008212
This. Kiddies need to learn when they're dealing with a total fanboy and when their critique is just plain retarded because they don't understand a game well enough. Big difference.
>>338008364
kek
>>338008339
How's that PRC state propaganda doing you?
China has changed massively and repeatedly over the millennia, the idea that there has been in any way a single china is a horribly wrong state agenda that's been fabricated in the past half a century.
>>338008385
There is modding that fixes how pacifist AI are. Otherwise they will never ever attack and always turtle.
>>338008364
How can anyone manage the planet when there's a sea of tails in the way?
>>338008406
I know just the man to run an interstellar empire to fix this issue.
>>338008026
>Implying China hasn't collapsed in on itself
china collapses every other tuesday
>>338007279
I disagree. Having basic algebra, calculus and gunpowder without the innovation to use them properly doesn't make you more advanced. Neither does still existing separately when a greater empire falls.
But you keep pretending otherwise for some weird reason.
How come I can acknowledge that everything I take for granted daily was given to me largely by a specific group of people improving upon technology, and be grateful to them, but you can acknowledge the same thing whilst denying the obvious higher magnitude of quality required to do such things?
>>338008454
Pretty sure I understand the mechanic and it's still not sensible.
>>338008448
They are literally as roman as modern china is ancient chinese.
>>338007908
The second anon is saying that as you expand you get more research.
The mechanic is then irrelevant in the respect that you don't actually lose out on science while expanding as long as you build labs, as in, not something you should complain about since you don't necessarily make a net loss of research.
The first anon is saying that the game hangs on it, since if it wasn't there, the wide empire would several times more research than the tall empire.
Double in size, double in research.
It would make the game very boring and one dimensional.
>>338008382
Don't you have Constantinople to recapture?
>>338008371
>that the game should make more territory lead into even more of a steamroll why?
I never said anything of the sort, you're probably confusing me with someone else higher up in the reply chain.
>>338008479
Is there a mod that fixes the AI never ever picking a fight against a similiar fleet size?
How do I expand? Do I just spam frontier outposts everywhere? Colonising a planet seems like more effort than its worth, especially since
>lol randomised tech tree
>hope you didnt want to chop down those forests xD heres a bunch more useless techs
Am I missing something?
>>338008573
No-one is saying to remove it, just make it better and have the playstyles more different
>>338008513
Okay, what fucking mod?
I need to rape the entire galaxy
>>338008339
>Except when they put it back together it's still China.
There are few countries who have less connection to their roots than China because of what the gommies did.
>>338008676
That'll happen with the expansions, guaranteed.
>>338008448
>founded by frugal farmers
>senate of lawyers and orators
>founded as a republic
>>338008536
You disagree even though you know fucking 0 about the Early Middle Ages? You will believe whatever supports your cozy prejudices and the fuzzy feeling you get when you think about being white, good for you.
Being grateful to a bunch of dead people is fine, but why does seeing people of a different skin colour in a vidya game about ayy lmaos make you angry?
>>338008687
http://stellaris.smods.ru/archives/1303
There are a pretty interesting handful of mods on their already, I mainly just wanted to test out how to install them at first.
>>338008624
It was a definite implication.
In that case I'd say that while it's worse, it's still very much playable. It wouldn't be even close to that if the research scaling mechanic was not implemented.Don't worry, I'm sure paradox will add fifty different over-extension mechanics to stop you from ever doing anything anyway.
>>338008657
You're supposed to use planets and frontier outposts to expand the systems you can build in by increasing your border.
When you want to make more influence you assign the frontier outpost to a sector and it stops costing you influence.
>>338008808
So nothing like Rome then? None of those things apply to it.
Anyone got a list of essential mods yet?
>>338008460
Nah he has a point. It's still China. Rome is over.
Change is irrelevant, Rome would have probably changed even more if it had survived.
The fact that China died and revived is also irrelevant.
Fact is, Rome didn't revive, despite multiple attempts.
>>338008886
Other than the middle one obviously.
>>338008657
I usually just wait until I have +20 to energy and minerals then colonize as much as I can as close as possible. I only use outposts when I need to block off another empire's expansion zone or just need to add a far away colony to my expansion zone.
>>338008676
This literally started with a sperg saying that it shouldn't exist because he wasn't steamrolling hard enough.
>>338008738
I agree.
All I've been saying is that there should be more meaningful decisions and things you do to make your empire lean towards science as opposed to colonization/military. Most 4Xs and even Grand Strategies manage this.
>Fallen Empire suddenly declares war on a random nation I have guarantee independence with
>both my and their federations are drawn in the war, about 70% of the galaxy
>I'm on the other side of the galaxy from them
>suddenly 2 20K fleets appear in my space and fuck up all of my stuff
Why the fuck are they only targeting me? Not a single one of their ships flew in to any of my allies' space.
>>338008985
Where?
>>338008941
The holy roman empire is as much a revival of rome as most revivals of china have been.
>>338008859
This was something that annoyed me in EU. One of my favorite pastimes in strategy games is to tech up. I liked that they tried to stick with a system of historicity, I suppose, but I didn't like having a gradually larger and larger penalty applied to me whenever I researched more than others. Different research groups were cool, as that always motivated me to get to the western bloc, but pushing ahead eventually became too hard.
>>338008676
See
>>338002751
>>338003108
>>338003535
>>338003916
While no-one specifically said the words "remove it" I think it is quite clear what their feelings are on the matter.
>>337985345
Not really. The game is just more accessible than their other stuff.
>>338009220
I was the second in the list, I think it was just me and that other anon that was all the others and neither of us ever said to remove it, just it was a shitty mechanic.
>>338009050
The game is broken like that. They heatseak player characters. Same goes for any wars.
>>338009220
First reply meant for >>338009070, but whatever.
>>338009149
Hopefully they'll not have any reason to implement a curve like that in this game, but who fucking knows with parajews.
>>338009286
This is the least accessible Paradox release in fucking years and years, since Vicky II probably.
>>338009079
Well it was certainly an attempt but they were so far off i don't know if you can say they succeeded.
>>338008026
>Roman Empire bordered germanic tribes
>China didn't border germanic tribes
It's simple.
>>338009372
>Holy Empire bringing unity to a large section of christendom
>includes rome
Seems pretty successful to me. Keep in mind back in the day it wasn't like fucking EUIV with map painting, the Holy Roman Emperor was the Emperor to everyone in latin christendom even if he had no direct control over their lands (or even most of the HRE proper).
>>338008859
I'm not the fucking guy complaining about research expansion penalty
>>338009303
>neither of us ever said to remove it,
Yeah just that it was bad and that it shouldn't be there.
You didn't specifically say remove it I understand.
>>338009454
Steppe people fucked both over actually.
>>338008816
I know enough about it to know you have no argument here except clarifying or correcting my statements.
I don't get angry that other races are in the game. I actually never even modded them out. I'm upset that people refuse to acknowledge races and their differences beyond "muh skin color", like you.
And a kindergartner could tell that whites are the main source of everything we have today with a quick glance at history. Rome and our argument was brought up as a separate thing.
The point being, I seriously don't think niggers could ever be part of a space fairing civilization, looking at how little they've grown and adapted over thousands of years here on Earth compared to other races. And Stellaris Human empires are FULL of niggers.
>>338009532
>implying
>>338009220
>>338009342
Oh shit I'm sorry, I'm so fucking tired I mistook your identically formatted post for my own and thought I fucked up.
>>338009070
This is the sperg in question.
>>338005079
>>338004459
>>338003948
>>338003535
>>338009553
Bad and should be replaced by something more robust.
Anon, it's time to stop digging. You can only embarrass yourself so much on one thread.
>>338009641
I agree. There is no way there could ever be nigger politicans or scientists or actors or musicians or writers too, it's just impossible isn't it?
>>338009532
The HRE didn't really have that universal acceptance in all christendom.
>>338009369
Their only two major releases since then have been CK2 and EU4.
And saying this is less accessible than those two isn't really saying much.
>>338009641
>I know nothing about history
>you can immediately understand everything you need to know about the formation of civilizations on different continents by a quick glance
>children have the same level of understanding on all of these issues as experts
It's time to stop posting.
Come back when you've read a history book. You shouldn't feel so embarrassed just to say "I have no idea about any of this shit", it's braver than pretending you know and there is nothing more to discover than what your kindergarten level understanding is.
>>338009660
It's a mechanic that gives tech penalties to research
>Colonizing should require an investment of all your resources, not give penalties to research
>not give penalties to research
This is what was said.
Anon would you like to say how this statement doesn't imply that the mechanic shouldn't be there?
>>338009950
It explicitly is though, which was my point. This is the least accessible game they've made in ages so >>338009286 is retarded.
The appeal is spess and the pretty graphics/nice fluff the game generates for you and puts in the events.
>>338010129
What he was trying to say was you should be throwing your resources into colonization INSTEAD of research, ie it should be a conscious decision and not a shitty modifier that builds up in the background. Games design is all about breaking things down into meaningful decisions.
>>338009641
I'd agree that having a white empire would make sense if your backstory was rooted in "England conquered the world and made them colonies, they're the leadership class, period." instead of "Whites are the superior race.".
There ARE differences between the races, statistics show us this (Whether they are cultural or biological is irrelevant), but they're minor in the grand scheme of things. Black people can be just as smart as anyone else, even the most racist person alive can only say that they tend to be worse. Even if you're the most racist fuck alive, there are plenty of black people that are way better than you in every way.
>>338010216
>What he was trying to say was you should be throwing your resources into colonization INSTEAD of research, ie it should be a conscious decision and not a shitty modifier that builds up in the background.
He's saying that mechanic shouldn't be there?
Does he want the research penalty, or not anon?
Yes, or no?
>>338010259
This.
The only change I'd make is possibly making everyone look like a mixture of east asian, white and black, so kind of south asian, after centuries of globalism diluted everything to a mean.
>>338010259
>Whether they are cultural or biological is irrelevant
I'd say they're pretty relevant in the case of how humanity will involve hundreds of years down the track.
>>338009825
Not quality ones, not really, no. The only reason those exist in the first place is because better races dragged them from their shitty mud huts and made them work to be a part of something greater.
Basically, we had to leave Africa to be greater, and we did. But niggers never did unless forced to.
If you think niggers in space can happen, it's because you inherently acknowledge other superior races helped them into that situation. Ain't no way Africa could get its shit together and become space fairing on its own. They're still genocide no and enslaving themselves over there with technology barely better than stone-age. In 2016, they're still savage primitives if left to their own devices.
>>338010332
He was saying to replace it with something that would do the job better.
You need to stop digging.
>bronze age civilization has a mining station on the other side of the galaxy from their homeworld
>>338006692
>rolling the dice on having a shit ruler every 5 years blows
Pick a ruler you want and support 'em once or twice and they're likely to get elected forever until their death. And if you don't like the pool of candidates you get a few new ones every 5 years.
>>338010518
It's a visual bug, it'll fix itself.
>>338010453
I wish I lived in the same fantasy world you do, it must be so fun. You can make up shit like
>Basically, we had to leave Africa to be greater, and we did. But niggers never did unless forced to.
And build entire worldviews around it.
Shit like this too:
>They're still genocide no and enslaving themselves over there with technology barely better than stone-age.
I legit think this anon learnt everything he knows about the world from /pol/ collages.
>>338010456
>He was saying to replace it with something that would do the job better.
So would the research penalty still be there?
Or would it be removed?
I'm trying to follow your train of so called thought here.
>>338010453
>we had to leave Africa to be greater, and we did
>this is /pol/s idea of pre-history
>>337978906
>You don't want to breed quickly, because pops multiply tech cost so your research will go down the shitter
Who the fuck thought this was a good idea and how do I mod this stupidity out of the game?
>>338010601
But he is right about them being savages.
Can you name one black Nobel Prize winner in science or anything other worthwhile?
Or any black scientist that did something that mattered?
>>338010852
I wish I knew how to mod the stupidity out of 4chan too.
One pop does not increase your research cost by as much as you can produce with that pop.
>>338010852
Careful, there's an autist that is typing a short, retarded post about how your opinion is trash. Better brace for the impact lol
Are there any mods that will lock in the race and surname of your autocrats?
It seems really silly that I have a hereditary title but my heirs have randomly generated races and names.
>>338010048
>not knowing much about a specific period in a very long time frame of history means you know NOTHING
>you can get a simple grasp of the formation of different civs from a quick glance, yes
>no one said children have the same level of understanding as experts, nice try
I'm not embarrassed and I admitted I don't know much about Roman history. Awesome, you've proven my argument wrong, right? No. But keep sitting there on a computer invented by whites running on electricity discovered by whites running through circuitry designed by whites and telling me that whites haven't been dominating the globe compared to other races since the dawn of history. But I have no argument because the causes of the Roman empire's destruction I am largely ignorant of, as if that has anything to do with the races and their comparative quality overall.
>>338010259
>black people can be just as smart as anyone else
Top kekaroony. You mean black people forced to adapt and evolve amongst superior people can sometimes be as good as them? Cuz niggers left alone couldn't and can't do jack shit. But every other race can and has. Hmmmmmmmmm.....
>>338008026
>rome was multiculty
>shits itself and disappears
>china has one culture
>endures to this day
multiculturalism is the death of civilization
>>338010991
I give no fucks, considering how easy it should be to remove that """feature""" I'm surprised that no one did that yet.
>>338010985
Doesn't mean it should be there in the first place, it makes no sense from either a balance or a RP standpoint.
Any tips for combat? Particularly how I should build a fleet? I can't tell if I should just throw battleships at the enemy or try to have a balance of ship types.
>>338011263
>Just because I don't even vaguely know what I'm talking about doesn't mean I'm not going to try and speak on the matter.
Clearly you're an example of this shining white intelligence, huh?
>>338011334
>Doesn't mean it should be there in the first place, it makes no sense from either a balance or a RP standpoint.
There's half a thread about it.
Read up and you'll see several reasons for balance and RP.
>>338010601
>>338010735
>it's a 'I've never seen commercials about starving Ethiopians or pictures from 2 years ago of Africa's amazing mud hut housing developments, or heard of Africans starving after they kicked out all white farmers' meme episode
WEW lad. Do you think Wakanda and Vibranium is real? Niggers don't have any advanced societies anywhere in the world.
>>338011517
Large numbers of corvettes seem to be pretty good. Supposedly so good that Paradox intends to nerf them. I use a ratio of 10 corvettes to 5 destroyers and so on
>>338011334
>it makes no sense from either a balance
It does though, and seeing as you're retarded enough to just be discovering this for the first time you probably either retarded or haven't played nearly enough of the game to comment on it yet.
>>338011613
I'm asking if there's a mod or not I don't give a shit about the opinions answer or don't even bother replying anymore.
>Its a White Boi talks about 'his' race to make up for his own Pussy existence episode
>>338011603
And what part of what I'm saying is incorrect?
>>338011263
>race and culture are intertwined
>>338011793
Nope. Not yet. I'm hoping someone comes up with it.
You're wise to avoid the shills anon. Hat off to you.
>>338011861
It's a causation chain. Environment dictates how biology adapts. Biology and by extension environment then shape how that biology interacts on a social level.
Environment dictates biology which dictates society and culture. We are our biology. Our mental processes are defined by the parameters of our brains which are set by biological adaptations to their environments. It's quite fucking simple.
>>338011651
>I've never seen commercials about starving Ethiopian
The ethiopian famine was caused by the russian backed government intentionally starving it's people to counter freedom fighters.
>or pictures from 2 years ago of Africa's amazing mud hut housing developments
Yes, clearly their biggest developments are mud huts, the various large cities in africa have ceased to exist.
>or heard of Africans starving after they kicked out all white farmers'
Revolutions install corrupt governments that run their countries into the ground everywhere in the world, not just in africa.
You really do get your world-view from /pol/ ms paint images, don't you?
>>338011263
>and telling me that whites haven't been dominating the globe compared to other races since the dawn of history.
This is where your argument completely falls down on its face. You are so excited that the renaissance and the enlightenment happened in europe and not, say, Egypt that you want to act like the current state of affairs is how things have always been.
The points about you knowing fuck all about any history and yet wanting to make huge claims are important, because that childishness is what makes you unable to imagine a world that wasn't like this, or to accept all of the events in the chains that led up to the scientific revolution (including science, mathematics etc being invented by non-whites).
>>338003503
I've explored every other system in the region and nothing.
>>338012059
Thanks for the clear answer, I might look into doing it myself since I've an interest in modding.
>>338012261
Hope you do. It's the one thing that's ruining my enjoyment. Well, the one major thing anyways.
>>338012252
I got this with one of the precursor things too.
Dunno what he meant by region though.
>>338012109
>The ethiopian famine was caused by the russian backed government intentionally starving it's people to counter freedom fighters.
So you're saying white Russians had control of a black country and decide if it starves or eats? You're agreeing with my premise that niggers are useless on their own.
>Yes, clearly their biggest developments are mud huts, the various large cities in africa have ceased to exist.
You mean the cities whites and Asians built in Africa and South Africa that are currently in worse shape than Detroit, which is also in disrepair because of niggers?
>Revolutions install corrupt governments that run their countries into the ground everywhere in the world, not just in africa
No, third world and shitty undeveloped countries get ran into the ground because the people running them are third world shitskins who want to get rid of the only group of people dedicated to philanthropy and helping the unfortunate, whites. No white countries are suffering from mass starvation.
>implying /pol/ is an argument for low quality
>>338012625
>currently in worse shape than Detroit, which is also in disrepair because of niggers?
He LITERALLY gets all of his information about the world from /pol/ collages, ahahaha holy shit you cannot make this up. You don't think the collapse of the industry that supported the city had anything to do with it?
You are a walking parody, congratulations.
I need some mods piratebros
>>338012138
The result is right in front of your face.
The Renaissance and enlightenment DIDN'T happen in Egypt, so this is meaningless.
Again, not knowing about a specific portion of history doesn't mean I know nothing, jackass.
The scientific method was created by whites and yeah Chinese and Arabs had basic algebra and calculus firsr, whoopee doo when you look at what they did and didn't do with it. Chinese also had gunpowder for the longest time and only considered using it for military purposes when others showed them there's more to do with it than pretty explosions in the sky at night.
What is your argument here? Everything in life can be compared to other things in relation to quality, and listed based upon it. Everything. But SJW fucks and people like you wanna pretend sexes and races are exempt from lists of quality for some arbitrary reason.
>>338011263
>i dont know anything
>i make up shit about topics i dont understand
>black people are ignorant
Oh, go back to /pol/ already
>>338012808
Plenty of other cities are doing fine despite also being affected by the collapse of industries that support them.
![consider-the-following[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/SFD3VYy.jpg "consider-the-following[1]")
![voltaire[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/24mxR0l.jpg "voltaire[1]")
