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>Hopes?
>Expectations?
>Shitposting?
1.1.6 is upon us soon.
>>337974505
When the fuck is it dropping?
Please buff Wario.
Are you ready for weight changes and the addition of Smash Tour to 3DS?
>>337974505
Are we doing a tourney tonight to test dem changes out?
>>337974898
Tomorrow. After the maintenance.also after the Wii U firmware update is released
>>337975030
I just want his FSmash to be faster, holy fuck.
>>337974898
According to rumors / Japs: >>337948489
But more broadly, it's allegedly going to drop within the next 24 hours. Nobody posted any sources though so take that with a grain of salt.
Whens the update?
Also buff pic related?
>>337975303
Kill yourself, desperate faggot.
>>337974505
>yfw your favorite character(s) get a buff
>your main will never be nerfed as they're pretty balanced
I think we deserve having Ness finally be good after all these years, melee Ness was an abomination. If you told they simply never tested and finished Ness in melee I would believe you. My only real complaint is his dair, wish it was like his in 64, such a fun move.
More Samus buffs, Jigglypuff buffs, and some Bayo nerfs.
Ganon could probably stand to get a few buffs still, too.
>>337975562
That's really all he needs.
>>337975303
It's not even friday nigga just hold up
I hope the Ganon get buffed again
BUFF DEDEDE
>>337975570
3AM Euro might be correct, looking at when Wii U maintenance is done.
>>337975778
No Ness needs more range and better combos he's getting left behind because everyone else is getting better. Lucina fucking 50-50's us now
>>337975562
How about Samurai giving Wario the shoulder bash back?
New forward smash is ass
>>337976679
get help
Fix their smash attacks and buff his UpThrow Knockback to KO at 140% instead of 210%.
For fucking sakes their KO potential is worse than Melee Kirby itself.
>>337974505
>Hope
Jump momentum, custom moves for DLC characters
>Expectation
Removal of modding capability, no buffs to deserving characters, "never ask me for anything ever again"
>>337975873
Considering my 3 mains (Samus, Mewtwo, Charizard) are in really good places after that last update, I'm okay with how things are right now. I'm honestly a little more worried than anything, considering since the Shieldstun patch accidentally hurt some of Zard's ability. Since I don't feel like they're going to be getting any more buffs after the major touchups they got last patch, there's really nowhere for them to go but down.
Haven't played the game since cloud patch.
I'm a shulk and Ike main, am I fucked? Or about to be fucked?
>>337974505
hopes: buff Robin and Bowser Junior because one is my main and the other is one of my two secondaries, also I'm more biased than hackurai.
expectations: bayonetta nerfed to unplayability instead of just nerfing her more stupid hitboxes and making witch time based on how strong the thing that triggers it is.
shitposting: have your dose
>>337976526
What time is it in europe right now?
>>337974505
BUFF GANON GIVE ALL OF HIS ATTACKS SUPER ARMOR FUCK BALANCE AND FUCK SAKURAI!
>>337976750
Only real thing is I wish pkt2 went farther. Not as insane as Lucas's but with it being so easily gimpable I feel it should have better distance. I suppose his range could be buffed a bit too.
Buff robins walk speed and have nosferatu make you float with no jump loses when you catch someone in mid air
>>337976776
Just send me the link and I'll shut up. Does anyone know where the Imgur albums with Samus screencaps are?
>>337977108
1 AM
>>337974505
I hope Pit gets some sort of change. Anything really. Feels like he's been ignored the past few patches. He's already pretty well balanced, but it'd be nice for a change of pace.
>>337977137
>gannonfag being an idiot
Why am I not surprised?
>>337974505
GIVE MARTH JAB INTO FSMASH AGAIN YOU FUCKS
>>337977183
The range is ok just add more super armor so something as simple as a off stage counter can't stop you
>>337977417
That was never removed...
>>337975303
im on summer vacation rn dont see why not
I just want the bad characters to be buffed enough to be competitively viable
>>337977690
They are viable though,in 4-player free-for-all coin matches ;)
I main Little Mac and I'm worried sick Sakurai will get rid of perfect pivots, advance movements and add more knock back on tilts to ruin combos including my signature 0% to death of heavies and fast fallers.
He also might get rid of jab resetting and pivot u-tilt
then Mac will officially be the worst character in the game.
>>337974505
Smash 4 is so balanced, they had to patch it 20 times since release.
All I ask is for some Roy buffs. I know he's on a fine line since making the right change will make him stupid good, but I really hope they can find the right change to up his potential. Maybe a slightly faster jab or more auto-cancelling aerials.buff Greninja too his grab is still shit
>>337977867
Yes? Do you even understand what you're saying?
>>337977612
The timing on it changed dramatically. If you try to fmash right after jab it becomes jab2 regardless. Went from guaranteed untipped to very very situational
>>337977810
"perfect" pivots. In a game that has a 10 frame input assist buffer.
Woha..
Like, you play a game that considers you to be borderline retarded. Please dont act like you are good at video games.
Thanks.
Buff boipussi
Nerf tits
>>337977796
>Melee coin matches are more fun that Tr4sh coin battles
How can one man be so incompetent?
>>337978089
You do realize pivots and dash dancing is easier in Melee you fucking retard?
>>337978059
It wasn't dramatic, nor is it very very situational. Regardless, it still works perfectly when you tipper jab1, which is a reward for spacing, which is what Marth is about.
>>337978220
He's doing his best to be fired.
He hasn't wanted to make a Smash past Melee.
>>337978394
Then he should just not do it. We'd all be pretty grateful.
>>337978467
That didn't work out so well for Kojima either, you'll recall.
>>337978142
I think Lucas is pretty balanced
ZSS isn't that bad
>>337974505
>Hopes?
Grab reduced to 12/13/14 frames of startup and FAF of 50/65/60. Also more aerial mobility and a better roll.
>Expectations?
Nothing
>Shitposting?
Frame 1-25 super armor on bowling ball, Timber Counter becoming the default Down B, and the ability to use aerials out of Up B
>>337978328
Dash dancing doesnt exist in smash 4.
And no, dashing back and forth on the same spot is not dash dancing. Even if "smash" 4 had dash dancing, the lack of Boost and JC grabs make it useless for half the cast.
And again, "smash" 4 has an input assist buffer of 10 whole frames. Nothing in "smash" 4 is hard to execute. Nothing.
>>337978089
lol you genuinely have autism.
>>337977317
>Gannon
Looks like the retarded bitch here is you.
I would be hyped, but online is now full of people who have played the game every day since launch
>>337978394
Honestly. Thanks sakurai. But we dont want a third brawl. Let someone else do a smash bros game.
>>337978592
get out of here candy you fucking memelord
Christ, Melee fans are insufferable.
>>337978691
Believe me, that's not something you'll have to be concerned about
FG, /v/eekend, and /ssbg/ aren't out of your grasp
>>337978596
*Triggered*
',:^)
I haven't played since Pokken released, was there a patch between the one that buffed Mewtwo's run speed and the one happening now?
>>337978593
>"smash" 4
The rectal ragnarok that is the melee fanbase will never stop being amusing.
HOW DO WE SAVE PAC-MAN?
IT TOOK UNTIL 1.1.5 FOR HIM TO EVEN START GETTING BUFFS
This update is going to break the game.
The balance team is only 2 people now with everyone else working on the new features for NX launch. Bayonetta is easily worse than G&W now.
>>337974505
>Wario gets better smashes and maybe some more % on aerials
>Wario gets nothing
>Wario becomes PM Wario
>>337978732
Literally who?
>>337978846
Damn... brb buying a wii u with "smash" 4.
>>337978585
Lucas can whiff grabs 50,000 times in a row and go unpunished. Spot dodging his grab means he can immediately press grab again.
>>337978931
Literally me!
I just expect Bayo to be nerfed into oblivion and modding to be made pretty much impossible.
>>337978876
>NX will launch with a TR4SH port
Well, another neo-ninty console that i will skip.
May god have mercy on them.
>>337978843
Nope
>>337978941
Enjoy it friend, it's all yours.
TJ "Smash" Yoshi
>>337978891
>Wario becomes PM Wario
Fuck
You
Why did you have to remind me
Can a Puff main get some sympathy? It's utter suffering.
>>337979082
a'ight cool thanks, i'm not behind on info then
have a dog
>>337979124
I'll give you that first anon, but the guy I replied to was so vague that I was just trying to find out who the fuck he was talking abouttits was obvious but I was just trying to be a cheeky cunt at that point
>Marth is trashed nonstop while Royfags jack off to their "top tier character" when he releases, and even Lucinafags, in their infinite ignorance, say all around sword > tipper
>Marth get buff after buff, leaving Roy in the dust and gaining more and more distance from Lucina because buffs exponentially benefit tippers.
>yfw this patch Marth kills the clones once and for all with his shiny new short hop double fair
>>337974505
I hope Bowser's side-b gets tweaked slightly again so it won't miss point blank.
I expect Bayonetta nerfs and minor tweaks to the rest of the cast, most likely Shulk.
If some faggot named Chazo comes in trying to get you to join a tournament tell him to fuck off.
>>337979321
I'm glad for you Marthfags, Lucina and Roy should have been alt costumes from the start.
>>337979098
>enjoying
>a game that treats me like a borderline retard with a Ten frame input assist buffer
No.
There is no skill ceiling, meaning no satisfaction to be had, and which in turn means that i wont be having any fun.
Thanks for the offer though.
>>337979079
It's funny that everyone wants melee HD, but they are getting smash 4 remaster.
>>337979103
Why was PM wario so perfect?
>>337979124 Here
>>337979298
Ment >>337979103
My bad.
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>>337979687
>mfw two (You)s in the same post
What in the fuck
Also wait a fuck. One minute you're shitposting about Smash 4 being trash the next you're calling PM Reddit shit? Whose side are you fucking on?
>>337979321
Ok hold on a second. Short hop double fair was in melee (of course lol) and even in fucking brawl. Are you telling me that they even removed THAT simple thing from Smash 4 as well? Is there anything they didnt remove gameplay vise?
Wouldn't mind if Cloud got nerfed into oblivion. I don't care about Bayo's bullshit but Cloud being a DLC character that is just a superior version of Ike and Shulk with a better limit break than Little mac's is fucking stupid.
Like Ike, Shulk and Little mac weren't already garbage but wait now you can pay 6 dollars and get a much better version of these characters, silly goyim. Cloud's existence just makes these characters irrelevant forever now. I don't even play them it's just bullshit for people that do main them or haven't purchased the DLC.
>>337978732
pls no, the cirlcejerks in those threads are bad enough
>>337979714
Thanks for Saints Row, anon, you nade ny night
>>337979714
I don't know why you're feeling so generous in this thread in particular but thanks for Killer is Dead anon.>inb4 chargeback
>>337979630
He just felt amazing and had great moves
>dat butt bounce
>those throws
>the bite mix ups
>perfect shoulder
>>337979795
They also removed tripping. How casual can this game get?
>>337979536
Many people ive talked to, that actually play melee, do not want a melee HD that much. Considering no HDTV has 0 input lag, like the CRT's.
Or do lagless HDTVs exist now..? Last time i checked, even in Game-Mode, they had like 17 ms of input lag.
Also yeah, it's not a secret that nintendo is completely out of touch with their fans. Let them bring out smash 4 on a third device. But i honestly think they wont be this stupid.
>>337978781
Pretty much.
>>337980016
why is part 7 so much better than the rest?
>>337980105
They also flat out removed projectile reflect on perfect/power shield.
Hell, they even removed Light shield.
So yeah, i guess very, very casual.
>>337979776
I love sm4sh but those pics were just shit I made to rustle my friends jimmies and I have no where else to post em' so....
Also Jr buffs please....
>>337978858
That's gotta be tough, man.
I can't wait to see what characters get a 1% damage increase to a move or even a 1 pixel increase in range for an attack. Get hype!
This update is unusually big, especially on the 3DS. It can't just be balance tweaks.
>>337980816
A 1% damage increase can mean a lot, man.
Ike's fair got about 2% damage increase towards many patches in total, and it made it kill about 30% sooner. A higher % also means the move deals more hitstun.
>>337981015
Guys, they addedChrom
>>337980272
>Hirohiko Araki is taken by a fey mood!
I think he just really likes Westerns, and what with it originally being unrelated to Jojo he decided to go all-out and stretch his legs a little. But I'm still not sure how he managed to have such good art for just Part 7 unless he had extra help or was just working even harder than usual.
>>337981015
The only thing I could think of would be better textures for the N3DS version or something like that, I can't imagine why the 3DS would be 600 MB over the Wii U's 30 if they were doing the same thing.
>>337981015
maybe its "no stage hazards" mode
Why does Sakurai attempt to balance this game when he himself doesn't even like competitive play? It's obvious that the patches often address issues that competitive smashers complain about. But then as a big fuck you no patch notes are released, requiring people to test every single aspect of every character every time. I just don't get it.
>>337974505
>Hopes
80% of the moves in the game will receive more hitstun. Horizontal blast zones reduced in most stages. Option to make "Battlefield" version of stages added (Epsilon?). Landing lag reduced across all characters, some moreso than others. Gravity slightly increased.
>Expectations
Literally none of the things I said actually happen.
>>337981523
Sakurai's not working on the game himself anymore. It's pretty much a leftover team at Bamco doing this shit now. Notice how the last patch was actually agreeable and not a bunch of random shit, conveniently a couple weeks after Sakurai left the building.
>>337981728
Well now I'm even more excited for this patch.
>>337979496
But >>337978941 implies that you don't even own a WiiU. What the fuck are you doing in this thread? Fuck off with your shitposting ways.
![warrior__by_spacecoyote_1[1].jpg_itok=MYthA1Ob.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/IJPLbg0.jpg "warrior by spacecoyote 1[1] itok=MYthA1Ob")
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>>337981015
where do you people get the file sizes from? how large is it?
>>337981728
I doubt they are entirely independent without Sakurai's permission. At the very least "hey we want to make some changes to balance, can we?"
"Sure"
Nerf Rosalina into irrelevance.
Who the fuck actually mains Rosalina and think she is a fun and skillful character to play? 90% of these cunts play hyper defensive, just standing there with her Luma wall waiting for you to attack so she can just shield grab into the same stupid flowchart shit. They won't even attempt to come after you if they have the lead they just sit there and wait for you.
>grab her and she just spams A trying to get Luma to cancel your grab
Probably the campiest, most anti-fun character that just draws every game out the longest she can. I don't think I've ever fought a respectable Rosalina player.
>>337981921
At least then he's still not actually there to overlook it and make any decisions regarding it.
>>337981876
Samus got some pretty good shit last patch, this one should put the nail on it.
I really want Samus to be good, it's a real fucking shame she came out just as bad as her last game when Smash 4 released
>>337982060
git gud
>>337982060
I would love thisad a ness main.
>>337981728
>>337982065
Sakurai isn't even in charge of balance, it's a small team that does it (like 12 in smash 4 if I recall correctly).
Stop with the retarded Sakurai Boogeyman.
>>337982179
Yeah man, Samus is by far one of my favorite characters to play, She doesn't have to be as good as ZSS, but she could at least be a car, that hits like a truck, with multiple kill moves, other than F. Chargeshot and Bair.
>>337982192
>T. Rosalina main.
She isn't hard to fight against compared to other top tiers, she is just the least fun to fight against because her playstyle promotes super defensive, campy play which is the biggest flaw of Sm4sh
>>337982451
>she is just the least fun to fight against
you never fought a Bayonetta
Bamco developed Pokken on its own right? And it has been received quite well.
What are the chances of Nintendo going all-in and giving them near/complete control of Smash NX and letting them design the new game from the ground up? We can already assume Sakurai isn't coming back for the next one so it'll already be a bit different regardless.
>>337982671
>new game
it's a port bro
Want to pick up a new chatacter as a ness/lucas main, any suggestions? I like mega man but I can't get around his projectile high jinks, wario and villager also seem fun.
>>337983005
as a former Ness main and current Lucas secondary, try Robin or a Koopaling
>>337983005
Mewtwo
Daily reminder that if you want any characters to get nerfed at this point you are a fucking shitter and everything wrong with the smash community. Lower tier characters should only be buffed to the level of the higher tiers not the other way around.
>>337983719
So if I want both does that make me mid-level?
>>337983005
that picture bothers me on several accounts
>>337983930
Yeah the art itself is mediocre but I thought it was cool just having every character and being a homage to the iconic mvc1 artwork.
>>337982797
Like Nintendo is going to miss out on free money by just porting Sm4sh.
>>337983874
No it makes you a shitter. Fucking faggot.
>>337984267
I'll just ignore your post and assume I'm right then.
Shulk buffs never
I got a Wii U now, so I'll join you guys this weekend
>>337984478
Ignoring the fact youre a faggot doesnt make you suck dick any less, fag.
>>337984639
You only get buffs if they nerf your counter, Monado Boy.
>>337979714
>too slow
fug
>>337976984
Thanks doc
>>337984087
it seems like the artist has talent, but the show of it is very inconsistent, and the composition is so poorly done that it wouldn't even matter
i think my question is why the artist would choose a perspective that they are clearly not very good at, and they seem to try and force 3/4 a lot which is visibly betterplus, what's up with pit's eye/pkmn trainer's hat/why would they make it so some characters are barely visible???
Dedede buffs never
>>337983719
NO! FUCK YOU! NERF EVERYONE TO PALUTENA'S LEVEL!
>>337983719
As much as I mostly agree with that, I think Bayonetta is too powerful to be fun
now if everyone were at Mario's current level (5th place on eventhubs at the moment) I think the game would be great
M-Marth?
>>337985785
I'd rather have everyone be at Shiek's level, but I guess then I could just play Melee or Project M.
>>337986408
Sheik would be lower?
Unless you mean before the nerfs she got, in which case that's valid.
BUFF DKS SIDE B!! DOOOOO IIIIITTTTTT
Villyman main.
The worst thing about him is probably his fucking grab. It's just about as slow as Pac's but at least Pac's grab is active for way longer. Villager's whiffed dash grab is the equivalent to tripping in Brawl because for some reason, he sits there with his net on the ground for a good half second for no reason.
>>337978592
I know you're trolling but
>ability to use aerials out of Up B
Fund it. He'd be able to net so many accurate offstage fairs this way.
On a side note am I the only one who still has trouble with Cloud? I just wish some of his moves had some semblance of endlag and he ran a little slower. I went to a regional and had to deal with a Cloud who's general strategy was
>Run away and charge Limit
>get in close and Limit Side B
>that move has zero endlag so if he misses he'd run away and charge limit again
Villager's stubby legs can't catch him, what do you even do in this situation?
>>337987069
He has the second best back throw in the game so his grab being really punishable is meant to balance that
>>337977867
>tfw launch Sm4sh is the most balanced Smash game and it's only gotten better since then
>>337987508
Wectoring will never come back
>>337985029
>not even the best counter in the game anymore
>numerous other moves are easy contenders for worst in the game
Suffering
>>337987605
>tfw
Wectoring was fucking stupid, but dammit it fit my fucking stupid main.
>>337987605
Good, Wario's strong enough without literally breaking the game.
This mighty be a good question to ask:
Does Nintendo update the Wii U firmware when you send it in and there is an update available? Also same thing for game updates.
Increase Robin's run speed. It doesn't make sense that he/she's so slow considering he/she can be the 2nd most fastest unit in their game
Does anyone ever enjoy playing against a Little Mac? It's like you're not even playing smash anymore, you're playing "try to get an extremely volatile punching bag offstage." Then there's so much shit onstage they can do for free, shit infuriates me. Doesn't help that they're always massive faggots about thier ego.
Is the patch happening tonight? The only maintenance I see on Nintendo's website is for Miiverse.
Will they ever add more DLC characters? Serious question
>Patch could be dropping at any moment
>Have to complete a 20 word essay for tomorrow
JUST
>>337988483
What's your essay about anon, I will write it for you $1/word
>DK gets even more buffs for no reason
>>337987881
I do but that is because Bowser is one of the few characters with the range to punish Mac's smash attacks out of shield and tough enough to slug it out. He's unbelievably strong but can be managed if you have the right patience. I make it a point to walk against him unless he is in the air.
>>337988618
>bowser gets another weight increase buff
Give me Kirby's Dair and make Upthrow kill around 100 percent and I will go back to her. I just...can't anymore, she has been left too far in the dust.
>>337988483
>20 words
wut
Stage hazard toggle when?
>>337985295
Good. I hate fighting that piece of shit.
>>337988483
At least they're not 20 one word essays.
With the file size of the patch being 61MB and 325MB for the Wii U and 3DS respectively, makes me wonder what are they adding to the game besides game play tweaks. Are they adding modes? Unifying stages of both consoles? this could be a major update beyond what we're used to, since I don't remember them advertising updates on advance.
>>337989654
3DS might get a new free stage from Wii U.
>>337974505
Hopes: Bair slightly faster, fair more range
Expectations: Heavy character randomly picked out of a hat is buffed, low tier gets huge buffs, top tier gets dead, random character gets buffs and becomes super viable and is seen in tournaments a lot more
Shitpost: Nah
>>337989654
That doesn't sound very big at all. How big were past updates for comparison? And keep in mind 3DS is just dumb about updates and has to reinstall all past changes with every update.
They're going to make it so that we can make our own edits to their frame data, hitboxes, etc. and give new stages for 3DS version. They'll leave it alone after this update.
>>337989737
So the patch isn't happening anytime soon like I expected everyone go home
>>337989854
And how would that work for online play?
Would be nice if there were more options in training mode like a record option so I can practice my off stage things and whatnot.
>>337989991
Broken.
>>337988483
May as well give up now my man. There's no telling how long that would take. I suggest dropping out.
>>337974505
>hopes
Shulk buff, Bayonetta not beaten to death with the nerfstick, a love tap would suffice
>expectations
Shulk barely touched, Bayo is kill
>>337974505
Hopes:
Nerf Jigglypuff, Bayonetta, Little Mac, and make Captain Falcon slower.
Expectations:
Big Bayonetta nerf cuz lets face it she seriously needs it.
Small Corn nerf
More Ike buffs :^)
>>337986536
I believe!
Pikachu
>Increase the hit box of Thunder when it hits Pikachu
>Down Smash can kill now
Those two FUCKING THINS AND PIKACHU WOULD BE SO FUN.
But no we are stuck on the sheik 2.0, with increase difficulty to get the kills, so much fun to get that lucky up smash.
>>337990602
>Nerf Jigglypuff
What possible reason would you have for this?
>>337991113
>he's so bad he wants Jiggly nerfed
>>337990602
>Nerf Jigglypuff
Hi Reggie
>no way to switch controls to d pad on the 3DS version
who thought this was a good idea?
Who here thinks of footstooling to be an "advanced technique" and combos using footstools should stay in the game?
>>337991571
If it's going to be considered an advanced technique I want a dedicated button for it. See; PM
>>337991571
I'm not the biggest compfag
bit if you seriously think footstooling is advanced, you're a god damn moron
>>337977810
Sakurai doesn't get rid of anything. He isn't in charge of balance, and hasn't been for a long time now.
>>337974505
>>Hopes?
Marth buffs, Falco buffs, make Cloud's normal UpB snap the ledge.
Remove Mario and Fox's magnet hands. Just theirs.
>>Expectations?
Bayo nerfs and mostly pointless stuff
>>Shitposting?
I'm extremely glad Jiggs is shit in this game and hope she never gets buffed.
Marth's Tipper Shield breaker should go through perfect shields.
>>337991838
How does Project M implement it?
>>337991951
I'm only asking because I'm now curious about it because of all the replies from another thread defending footstooling, claiming that it is "one the few advanced mechanics in the game that allow for hard to do advanced combo extensions". But, of course, it was mostly me being told I'm bad at the game.
Buff. Now.
>>337975762
>ganondorf keeps getting buffed
AAAAHAHA
IT'S OUT
>>337992427
Being used in comboes is a more complicated way of using it I'll give you that, but it's such a basic maneuver that you can do it by accident. Footstooling isn't an advanced mechanic, using it correctly is, and if that's enough to call it an AT then I guess recovery is an AT
>>337988760
>upthrow kill around 100%
lol
>>337992427
>But, of course, it was mostly me being told I'm bad at the game.
You were told that because you didn't had any argument to why footstools shouldn't be in the game. You only were writing "muh japanese vines" in greentext. Your opinion was pretty worthless.
>>337992427
Footstooling isn't advanced, it's not difficult to preform but the issue is it's often unviable because of infinite air dodges and the risk of getting hit by the foe. Unless you have the opponent in hitstun going for a footstool isn't worth it often. Some characters have good footstool combos like Lucas' infinite or Mewtwos but they are incredible hard to pull off
>>337991491
Dpad can't do angular movement
>>337992658
Oh?
>>337991571
why would you remove footstooling
did you get memed on my the cpus and their frame perfect bullshit
>>337993554
lol what a dumb response
"oh?"
lol haha
>>337981015
Maybe a stage port or five if you're lucky.
>>337993623
Ah, guess I was right.
Wonder how long till they release it.
So is the patch out yet?
>>337992429
You'll get buffs and a better recovery but you won't be able to Up B out of hitstun because dear God that is bullshit.
>Replays are dead
>>337975030
Mah fuckin Nigga.
His smashes should all be less laggy.
Make his Uair hitbox a tad bigger all around.
Make Dair and Bair 1% stronger.
and make him be able to grab tires.
I'll be happy playing my new high tier main.
Considering that they didn't nerf Corrin that bad last time, I doubt Bayo will get completely fucked in this update.
>>337994620
Corrin got pretty fucked considering the only thing that needed fixing was the retarded knockback on the counter. There was a laundry list of nerfs for Corn
- No Changes
To expect anything is to be shafted again. If I expect the worst, I can only be happy with the results.
>>337994620
>mild nerf to Dragon Fang shot
>sizeable nerf to counter
>assorted other nerfs/changes
No, Corrin got fist-fucked. I don't know if they're still considered really good or just okay but they're certainly not bullshit anymore. I think Bayonetta will get nerfed less than Corrin was but it'll be enough.
I hope they speed up the gameplay so it's not boring as fuck anymore.
>>337995098
>No changes
>Worst
>rest knockback reduced by 15%
>increased flower duration by 0.8s
>air speed multiplier reduced by 0.10
>removed shield-break instakill
You're welcome Jigglypuff mains!
-Sakurai
the patch isn't coming out for a week or two
abandon thread
>>337995186
>tell friend I play Smash with that I slightly prefer PM because Smash 4 is slow
>"lol just pick sonic then yu fag"
I am beginning to think casuals don't actually even know what compfags mean when they talk about melee being faster and whatnot. Hell, calling myself a compfag is being generous so I think he might just be stupid.
>>337995517
"No changes" was my hope. Anything worse will not surprise me, and anything better will be a pleasant gift.
>>337995609
Source.
>>337995604
but there was maintenance just yesterday it just has to come sooner you gotta believe.
>>337995604
There's a huge maintenance tonight. I doubt its the patch but whatever.
>>337995720
Artist is catunder
All I want is a buff for kirby anda mewtwo tier buff for ganondorf
>>337995971
Thanks, senpai.
Might buffs come your way.
>>337996061
Ganondorf will never be anything more than slow Captain Falcon. Get over it already.
>>337995971
>catunder
He's pretty good.
>>337995604
Source?
Or are you just a faggot?
>>337996204
Never
I shall continue to hope
Till smash 5
>>337996383
There's no specified date for the actual patch, but there's a 3DS/WiiU patch tonight which could be the actual patch.
If the patch is not tonight then it might be in a week or two.
>>337996383
Patches always drop Tuesday night. There is no maintenance tonight, the patch won't be tonight, it'll be in a week or two.
>Removed Wectoring
>Shield stun indirectly nerfed his Dair and it isn't as reliable as before upon landing
>Removed the ground state glitch
>No buffs in any patch whatsoever
Can't wait to get nothing again in this patch
>>337996619
>There is no maintenance tonight,
There is, in fact, a maintenance tonight.
actually ike/mewtwo tier buffs for shulk, the shit he's gotten thus far barely helped
it's bullshit that one of the hardest characters to play is low tier, the other hardest characters to play are at least mid tier like peach and pac-man
>>337996773
There is, in fact, fucking not. There Wii U maintenance and Miiverse. Nothing about 3DS, nothing about Smash.
I need my Shulk buffs. Please deliver Sakurai.
>>337996732
We need wectoring back for the love of god.
DRASTICALLY increase base knockback for Phantom Slash and decrease starting frames a bit, adjust knockback growth accordingly
>>337996732
>Shield stun indirectly nerfed his Dair and it isn't as reliable as before upon landing
I find this change beneficial, since you can position yourself away from someone who shields you Dair, I almost never get punished for doing Dairs.
>>337996732
why would wario get buffed? he's at the very least considered to be at the top of mid tier
>Patch might be happening tonight
>Didn't get to save any of my replays yet
Shit.
>>337997102
zelda and ganon are fundamentally fucked, phantom slash could be a OHKO but it'll never hit anyone
>>337997171
exactly, buff him to high tier, just like the rest of the cast.
at least give him a nice polish, he's almost perfect.
>>337997227
It's fucking not.
>>337996379
Very good, but possibly dead/quit
>>337997227
>Had a fun replay of a /v/kend where we all went kirby and started doing the dance played chicken with hammer flip
>Creating and account is too much of a bother
Welp.
>>337982179
>Halo5.png
>>337997409
How so? He started doing comissions again three weeks ago.
>>337974505
>Hopes?
Buffs to Ryu
>Expectations?
Bayo nerfs
>Shitposting?
Rosalina is removed
>>337997150
In my experience the positioning doesn't help a lot, and fast characters can easily punish you. Before that patch the if the opponent released the shield he would be hit. It was my most reliable half-waft setup. Although I must say the shield stun was really needed overall.
reminder of what the first official tier list looks like before you make stupid comments about who needs nerfs or buffs, the only major changes are mewtwo being a lot better and sheik going down a bit
not pictured: bayo and corrin
>>337997668
>Buff Ryu
Holy shit this autism
>>337997668
move "buffs to ryu" in shitposting
>>337997614
Seriously?
Shit I just thought he was dead because the last thing of his put on paheal was 3 months ago
>>337997668
>Buffing Ryu
Unless you mean making the motion inputs exclusive to the B button, go fuck yourself.
I NEED THE UPDATE PLS
Hopes:
>Kirby air speed increase
>Kirby inhale startup/end lag decrease
>Kirby down throw end lag and trajectory altered for follow ups
>Kirby up-B 1 auto snaps to ledges while rising
>Greninja up-B push back slight increase
>Greninja Shadow sneak now useable while running without stopping
>Greninja Down B endlag slightly reduced
>Greninja neutral air lag in air reduced
>Greninja Up air increased knockback on final hit
>Pit/Dark Pit Nair landing lag reduced to autocancel
>Pit/Dark Pit neutral B instant aiming upwards if the opponent is directly above you
> Pit/Dark Pit fixed chaining of multi hit attacks to beter connect (jab combo into finisher, forward air neutral air forward smash up smash)
>Up tilt completely revamped altered into something other than that obnoxious long ass one two kick
>Assorted buffs to Robin, Jigglypuff, Megaman, Duck hunt, Pac Man, Shulk, Roy, Marthcina, (To bring them more in balance check with cloud/corrin) Wario, Dr mario, WFT, Pikachu, Charizard, Lucario
>Assorted nerfs to Cloud, Bayonetta, Corrin,
>Patch out that bidou shit
>1v1 Tourneys, Team Tourneys, New stages, unlocked custom moves fresh out of the box, options to turn on custom moves/custom equipment seperate from each other.
>Improved connection stability
>Story mode
Expectations:
Kirby: .00000025 buff to hammer knockback
Nerfs to newest characters.
Buffs to metaknight and shiek that are worthless in comparison to the last nerf
ignore jigglypuff and dedede to sip on tears of the misfortunate hopefuls.
Your favorite characteras a mii costume
>>337997227
It's not happening tonight. Next week maybe.
>>337997706
ZSS was also nerfed, Meta Knight is now mid tier, the general opinion on Cloud has gotten even better, the general opinion on Roy has gotten even worse, Jigglypuff might be considered worst in the game now.
>>337997870
But that would be a nerf.
>>337997781
>>337997796
>>337997870
I demand less cool down on all of his Smash attacks so I can have an easier time of people getting Shouryuken
>>337997824
There's a lot of stuff not being uploaded on paheal lately. I've been trying to find a replacement for months. Anyway, check his tumblr. There's some recent pics.
>>337997938
no more new content, mate.
>>337998049
Also, the general opinion on Pikachu has gotten worse and the general opinion on Diddy has gotten better.
>>337998049
>ZSS
yeah, but not by much. Her placement is pretty much in the same place
>metaknight is now mid tier
either top of mid or bottom of high, not a big change
>cloud has gotten better
not really since he got nerfed, similar position
>roy has gotten even worse
yes but he hasn't jumped a tier like mewtwo, still in low
>jiggs might be considered worse
since zelda got a hoo hah, yes. that's 1 position though
>>337998125
My uncles dog works at nintendo, he said this update willbow wowyou
>>337997938
>Your favorite character as a mii costume
>Layton Mii Costume
That would actually be pretty nice.
>>337998314
Zelda doesnt have a hoo-hah, it's not true if they DI away. Before even if they DIed away even just a bit it wouldnt connect, now it only doesn't connect with good DI. Still not a Hoo-Hah
>>337998460
oh I didn't know that, I'm sure the last buffs put her above jiggs anyway
>>337998417
>Top hat is an item
>Mii can perfectly replicate Layton
>No fitting outfit though
>Top hat can only be purple
FUCK
>>337998565
Yeah she's way better than Jiggs.
She can net a kill super early with an airdodge read. Even earlier than a rest would kill, and safer on miss.
>>337998059
The reason I don't play as Ryu is because quick inputs and reactions cause me to do the wrong moves, fast-falling and back aerial for example. It would make it easier to use him if the stronger versions of the attacks by doing the motions were only the B button wouldn't you agree?
>>337975072
>in a 64 megabyte patch
No not really
>>337998725
has it been confirmed to be 64 MB? and how does that compare to previous patches?
So is the patch deconfirmed for being today
can I go to bed
>>337998867
Most Balance only patches are barely like 12 MBs. The last patch that big without much new content like stages, music, and shit was the shield-stun patch which changed a FUCK TON of shit in the game. I wouldn't be surprised if either most of the cast is affected, or a new menu option is added altogether.
>>337999003
damn
>>337997227
I upload the replays I like as soon as I'm done playing.I even have a couple from /v/ tournies.
>>337997675
it still is the best half waft set up. kills anyone at 80%
>>337999003
>It's a Stage Hazard Switch
>>337997938
>Patch out Bidou
Can't.
>>337999323
I FUCKING WISH
We are never going to get that, know why?
Sakurai literally acknowledged a "hazards off button will never be in Smash because PASBR had it"
So yeah, the only reason it's not in the game is because of PASBR
>>337999451
Source that shit, nigga.
Roy better get buffs.
Also if Sakurai nerfs Sheik again he's a retard
>>337999610
http://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-on-how-smash-bros-wii-u3ds-came-to-be-not-opposed-to-dlc-patching-why-villagertrainer-are-in-more/
Ctrl + F Playstation
>>337999451
"this poorly-recieved game a competitor made had a feature that could severely improve the game"
"nah fuck that, shit's gay"
Sakurai is senile
>>337999421
>Can no longer map special moves to C-Stick
PATCHED
I cant think of anyone that uses c-stick for custom moves, except for the occasional person that cant into wavebouncing/b reversing
>>337999779
>Wily castle will never be legal because of this stubborn fuck
Why the fuck is more options a bad thing? If people wanna play with hazards they can, but if people dont want to get harassed by the goddamn Yellow Devil every 20 seconds, among other things, then fucking let them christ
>>337999896
I think he just makes up whatever reason he wants for why something didn't get in a game when the fact is it just never occured to anyone in development or they just never felt like doing it.
>>338000085
They could just try and look into the fucked code that makes B-sticking register a 1-frame input and fix it.
That's asking too much though, I'd be surprised if they actually fixed that shit.
>>338000148
But anon, you have Omega mode to play without hazards! :^)
It's this kind of shit that makes me feel he really doesn't get proper game design.
>>338000085
>>338000270
What's wrong with Bidou?
>>338000375
I have nothing against Bidou, but removing bidou would actually require the team to look into the code and fix something.
>>338000375
it grants an incredible edge if you can master it, granted most people will over look it, but if it starts to become mainstream, everyones gonna have to adjust to/learn it. and that just aint right.
>>338000558
The game becomes more competitive and the skill-ceiling increases? I don't see how this is a bad thing.
>>338000558
Bidou is never gonna catch on though, some fringe guy might but you'd need to rewire yourself entirely. Maybe a guy whose first smash game is 4 and he starts with bidou only might be able to use it. Also theres the fear that it might get patched out so nobody wants to commit to it.
>>338000620
I just dont find bug abuse an appealing form of skill ceiling increase. i understand its potential, but i dont agree with it. but thats just an opinion.
Fuck it, make Rest KO heavyweights at 0%.
>>338000558
>Expecting Smash 4 players to put effort into something
>>338000752
It's not a bug though, it's an exploit.
Everything that can be done with Bidou can still be done with a normal layout, and pro players already do it. Only very few gimmicky techs are bidou only.
Besides, it's not like casual players will be ever able to use it, and it's not like about 99% of the playerbase will ever fight with the pros.
Bidou or not, they would still lose.
>>338000558
It's not gonna become mainstream mainly because it's not as applicable to gamecube controllers which is what all tournaments use as a standard.
Mega Man buffs pls
Pacman throw buff pls
Outside of that my actual mains (Bowser, Wario) are pretty good. Bowser could use a little touching up but I honestly don't know what specifically.
>>338000375
nothing, its impractical because of the limitations it puts on you and the inputs it requires
but it is an exploit of the system in order to get 1-frame directional inputs which are normally impossible because of analog controlsalthough the cpus fucking do it constantly regardless and it pisses me off
the best way would be to fix it so all the control schemes work the same way, but they probably wont do anything about it period
To be honest, im a scrub and i cant perfect pivot for shit, much less get practical use out of it. and i'd just like to not see it become even more of a staple in gameplay.
>>337974505
>remove hazards button never
What's the point of turning everything into FD when FD is already there?
>>338000185
And it often makes him look like a moron or a child
Does Sakurai just not give a shit about these interviews? People look up to this guy and he's just verbally shitposting to every question from fans. I honestly think he wants people to hate him so he can retire sooner.
>>337999779
What a dumb fucking director, please don't make him come back and let's get someone who is more passionate and in touch making these games.
>>338001472
Quoting Sakurai somewhat:
"to allow players to enjoy the visuals and music of other stages"
>>338001548
I'd be able to enjoy the visuals more if there was a remove hazards button and not a "remove everything" button
>Wake up
>No patch
>>338001107
Mega Man needs buffs much less than the other characters in your post
>>338001751
I've dealt with causal elitists who are under the impression that tourney fags don't even like platforms. It made me wonder just how bad Sakurai's view of the situation must be.
>>338001863
Isn't Battlefield more balanced anyways?
I have some serious buyer's remorse for the wiiu version, should have just stuck with the 3ds
>>337985295
>already perfect :^)
>>338001926
It is, which is what makes the FOX ONLY FINAL DESTINATION meme all the more retarded. Too many people still think that's an accurate summary of what competitive players like.
>>337999779
>I believe that music plays an important role in this experience, and so in order to please fans of these games and original series, we need to recreate the same music to match their memories and their expectations.
4 KONGO JUNGLE REMIXES
>>338002167
AN INCOMPLETE DK RAP
HOW IS THIS SHIT ALLOWED
>>338001809
Actually it would be neat to see Megaman and Pacman get buffed. Then all the 3rd party will be top tier
>>338002249
Not like you ever hear the full song anyway
>>338001107
For Bowser to be more viable, the game would need more shield stun and/or his neutral aerial getting less landing frames with that.
>>338002249
muh 2-minute time smash :)
>>338001863
It's because Sakurai and other faggots literally think Melee comp is the fucking "FOX ONLY NO ITEMS FINAL DESTINATION" meme
It can't even be Sakurai/Sora/Bamco being lazy, they had to make new models for omega mode. Remove hazards button, in most cases, would just mean removing the enemy character on that stage or the hitboxes of the moving background. The only stages I can think of where no hazards would be a hassle are Oral Gay Anal Assault and Greatly Offensive Cave
>>338002317
>Smash 4 stock matches
>not lasting forever
Bruh.
>>338002386
Just because you play run away doesn't mean all of us do
>>337976526
this is fake
only miiverse is on there
>G&W will never be as good as he was in Brawl
>Im better with Bowser now than G&W
Please send buffs
>>338002289
>A national tourney where the top 4 players are a Mario player, a Sonic player, a Megaman player, and a Pac-Man player
It's so beautiful in my mind.
I played Melee over netplay earlier today. Even if you take it casually, it's pretty damn fun. It helps that none of the people I was with took it seriously enough to do tech heavy stuff that a casual player like me can't be bothered to practice, so we were all pretty even. The game was fast and fun, though. But Ness sucks in it and that's always a downside.
>>337997938
>Down throw changed for follow ups
But his forward throw is perfectly fine for that.
>>338004091
This is why I want Melee HD with netplay, Smash ladder is good and all for 1v1s but sometimes I just want a /v/eekend style FFA in Melee and it's a lot harder to set up especially when you don't have 4 friends on hand who like to play Melee.
>>338004091
I'd try it if my laptop could run Melee at 60 fps
It can run it playably for me, but I won't do that to anons onlineI'm also curious about the possibility of mapping shorthop->airdodge-down to a button so I can hold forward and mash it to actually wavedash efficiently.Pls no bully
>>337988618
Donkey Kong hasnt been touched for like 3 patches. im hoping for any buffs this time.
>>337974505
It's amazing how much Nintendo pays their marketing department.
>Hey gus /v/eekend game! B-b-bump! Come play please!
>Now that we're done with /v/eekend we can do our /v/eekly tournament! Sign ups all week! Bump this post! Nintendo doesn't belong in /vg/!
>Hey guys, patch coming out, says it fixed some bugs! What are you hoping will happen? Will they add in RIDLEY?
>>338005108
youre a stinky casual
>>338005298
Why did you come into this thread if you have nothing to add?
>>338005298
That would imply Nintendo has a marketing department, or that they're even competent enough to copy what everyone else is doing. Just look at the Wii U.
>>338005471
Can you read? He came to laugh at us.
Can suited Samus get a little more love, please?
>>338005298
Fuck I loled. Spot on mate
>>338005581
We talking Latex Suit Samus?
>>338003382
>Ally vs 6WX vs Abadango vs Scatt
Sadly Ally will still win it.
>>338005690
You're a fuckwit
>>338005298
They mock Ridley at Nintendo, not use him to try and gain hype. Hell they mock everything people want and blame the consumers for not liking their shit. I'd honestly be surprised if Nintendo marketed here at all.
...Please dad.
>>338005471 >>338005523 >>338005565 >>338005668
Theres literally nintendo staff who goes by the name woomy in the threads
So yeah, still laughing!
>>338005782
And you can't take a joke.
>>338005690
No, proper normal Samus I meant.
All I want is the fucking menu buttons to be touchable on the gamepad
>>338005565
>>338005298
Why doesn't anyone use the "I drove here to laugh at you"? It negates the punching one afterwards
>>337977867
Dont fool yourself
If Melee was suddenly given patches, it would take just as many attempts and the community won't shut the fuck up about it just like Sm4sh is because people suck at adapting and rely on patches too much
>>338005881
Holy shit this. If they were so keen on showing off the touch screen with a useless stage builder and screenshot decorator, why couldn't they do this simple thing?
>>338005902
Don't know if I've ever seen that one.
>>338006074
All the effort went into Star Fox 0/10.
>>338006131
>>338005298
>People make threads about a game I don't like, they must be marketers
>>338000375
Nothing really
People pretending it doesnt exist because Melee fags can't map it to GC controllers
>>338006224
Nice meme
Get gud with the controller, adapt faggot
Just like you do Smash games
so is the patch is not today? its never this late.
>>338006593
>tournament players don't want to use a tech that can't be used on the only controller allowed to big tournaments because it's not wireless
wew lad
>>338006890
They didn't said when it's coming
>>337974505
Give me more Samus buffs or give me death
>>338006929
>only controller allowed
Except that's not true in the slightest
Hi, this is a post to inform all you mario projectile spammers that gannon is underrated.
gannon's the most powerful character in the game. literally. he has the most powerful moves. there is no character stronger. bowser? not even close. dedede? he may have a strong hammer, but it's not enough to contain the entire power of the destruction of hyrule.
little known fact: gannon's B attack can be reversed to become the most powerful move in the game. it may be slow, but it has super armor abilities, meaning gannong can't be stopped once he begins the devastation. therefore, it only has to land one time, when your opponent tries to attack you, and you will obliterate their stock easily.
gannon's B attack while holding down can also be a powerful surprise when the opponent is at a middle-ranged range. especially when fighting OP proejctiles. the slide+B will imperiate straight through the fireball and hit them into oblivion.
gannon's slide-sideways+B attack can also be used to hit opponents who spam shield. many times opponents will spam shield, which eliminates all attack options because if you attack them they will just press a and grab you, and then they can just spam up and A until you're at 70% and up smash. however, if you just hit B while holding slide-sideways, you will grab them even if they are shielding. if they are shielding, it will not stop them from this attack. unfortunately, this attack will not kill, so only use it to send them a message to not shield any more, because you can just hit them with the slide-sidways+B.
gannon's up c-stick attack will eliminate stocks in no time as will. the importantly amazing thing about this attack power is that it is very fast, and it can be used to defeat enemies who like to spam the cape in the air. it will hit them if they try to attack you up close as will as in the air. if you push the c-stick upwards it does a very fast kick towards the opponent which will destroy their stock.
>>338007295
Yeah but he still sucks.
>>338007053
yeah but the last patch was out of the blue. we had thought smash patches were done. thank god they havent stopped. hopefully they continue until the NX version of Sm4sh.
>>338007416
but anon, the slide sidways b contains the power of the destruction of hyrule.
>>338007295
>gannon
>>338007295
You're retarded
>>338005298
I'm surprised Nintendo hasn't laughed more about Ridley. They obviously don't care what people want evident by the Wii U, and love blaming their serbase for everything. They love memes too and regardless of what side someone is on regarding Ridley it is a meme by now.
>>338007496
You're right, anon.
I finally see the darkness.
>>338007764
They already did in Badge Arcade.
>>337998460
What this about Zelda and a HOO HA? Did I miss something?
>>338005298
>Nintendo
>marketing
After the marketing disaster that was the Wii U, one might wonder if they have a marketing department at all.
>>338007295
>mario projectile spammers
Not really Mario players. May as well play Duck Hunt at that point.
>>338008114
Hoo Ha = down-throw into up-air TRUE combo
Not true-combo according to that anon, I wouldn't know because I never fight Zelda and I rarely play her.
I have landed it before and it, at the very least, is really powerful when it does land.
>>338007295
>but it has super armor abilities, meaning gannong can't be stopped once he begins the devastation. therefore, it only has to land one time
Wrong the armor ends before the active hitbox a rapid jab or a properly timed multi hit hitbox can still take him out before the actual Warlock Punch comes out.
>gannon's B attack while holding down
I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about I assume you mean Wizard's foot in which case the opponent needs to have the motor skills of a retarded paraplegic baby in order to not be able to react to the attack at mid-range. It's piss easy to grab him out of it or shield and this F-smash once he's passed through your shield
>hit B while holding slide-sideways
Jesus fucking christ do mean Flame Choke? Have you ever played anyone who isn't handicapped? Do you know how fucking easy it is to react to that shit? There's this thing called a spot dodge and it will make you eat shit.
>>337989654
I think the 325 mb was originally a translation error. It meant 325 blocks or about 40mb.
>>338007295
assuming this isn't a troll, this is one of the dumbest posts I've seen in my 8 years of browsing this site. Congratulations
>>338007295
Side B to D-tilt baby!
>>338007925
I know, but you'd think with how NoA is they'd make it a running gag and keep going with it. I mean it's not like everyone doesn't already shit on people who wanted Ridley anyway. Seems like free epic social media buzz.
I'm sick and tired of the cutscene of Mario rolling behind me and grabbing. His roll is too fast to punish on reaction with most of the cast.
>>338010007
That's because NoA would rather destroy series like Fire Emblem than try to piss off Metroid fans.
>>338010460
>can't punish roll on reaction
wew fucking lad, if you're in the neutral and can't punish grabs you need to get better. top level smash4 has very little rolls aside from rosa
>>338005298
As shitpost as that is.
It's true. Smashbabbies spam threads 24/7 and there's no "/v/eekend" really. They have a general, yet NEED to circlejerk here too.
>>338010528
Seems like they want to piss everyone off anymore. It's amazing how much I hate Nintendo now when I used to love 'em.
Can I have more movement speed?
I want to change my asset/flaw
>>338011695
>I only just realized Smash made Robin's canon asset and flaw MAG and AGI respectively
>>338011943
>asset is MAG
>Toon Link and Da Cunt have better projectiles
Does this mean those two would be grand wizards in a Fire Emblem game?
>>338011943
That would imply that Robin is canonically a male and a female at the same time.Quantum Feminine Penis confirmed
>>338012149
Honestly Robin's projectiles don't even warrant the durability system.
>>338007295
Is this a copypasta? It feels like a copypasta.
>>338010547
MK, Diddy, Fox and Mac all have really nice rolls that get used at high levels. Sheik as well but not really as an approach option.
I haven't played in a loooong time how's my baby Mr. Game & Watch?
>>338012634
Still bad. Nice gimmick doubles partner, and I don't really mean gimmick as an insult.
>>338012634
......His crouch is good.
>>338012634
Basically untouched. Though it's possible some of the changes other fighters have received has been helpful for match-ups with G&W, like Corrin getting nerfed.
>>338012458
I agree on up special but anything else...
I play Robin and I would honestly say the durability system isn't even a nerf.
For me, it's a good reminder when a certain strategy is becoming stale or predictable. if I keep the dumbass captain falcon away with elthunder the whole match he'll wise up to it someday. So if the game stops me, gives me a book projectile to create more space, and thus gives me time think of my next move, it actually will breed more interesting and rewarding gameplay by forcing the me to change pace.
It's essentially if stale moves had a visual indicator for when a move has become completely stale.
So no, the projectiles don't warrant a durability system, they thrive off it.
>>338012998
So what you're saying is
is that Robin is a gimped ness with a limited ammount of PK fires?
>>338012884
>>338012748
>>338012797
Well shit, oh well he'll always be my main
>>338013403
>gimped Ness
>great recovery, compared to being a free kill off-stage
Get it together, Anon.
>>338013403
PK fires that are harder to avoid and create a wall of fire on contact with the ground, a four-level electric projectile with different utilities for every level, a down special that heals the user even when you aren't fighting a projectile user, and an up special that's both a decent recovery and a spike.
His projectiles are actually much better than Ness', the only competition is Ness' PK thunder, but that comes at the cost of an insanely gimp-able recovery.
Also you missed the point of what I said.
The limited uses give you a new projectile when they run out and are a good reminder to stop doing the same shit. PK fire comes out slower, only combusts on contact, and becomes very predictable very easily. Robin's ammo count is there to encourage mixing things up, not to nerf an otherwise insane character
Remove Bayonetta's zero-to-death. Even if you can DI out of it, it's completely unreasonable
http://buffpuff.club/
>>338014256
SDI up you fucking retard.
>>338014659
Not him but I hope you don't seriously think that combo is actually fair just because it can be SDI'd. Hoo-ha killed at low percents on low cielings, Corrin Counter killed under the same circumstances, and Sheik didn't have anything so brain-dead, Bayonetta is carrying shitty players with this dumbass combo so it needs to be nerfed more than anything else that has ever been in this game.
>>338014659
Not all characters can do that particularly well
If people were robots this would be an argument, but if you're playing something like Bowser you're just fucked
>>338015380
>not everything so braindead
F-throw bouncing fish
D-throw u-air/vanish
F-tilt into literally whatever
F-air chains
All pretty braindead.
>>338015795
did any of these kill at 0%?
>>338015795
none of those except the first one are guaranteed any more
>>338015795
>low % damage combos
yeah that's the same as a low % DEATH combo
>>338016291
Not that guy, but you had a better chance of SDI-ing, upBing, or other character specific escapes out of Bayo's combo than getting away from Sheik's old 50/50. Granted that's gone, but people are still learning ways to deal with Bayo.
>>338016726
Only works well enough with some characters on Bayo because Bayo fucking cancels DI
Can we all just agree that Bayo is the biggest cunt? Every person plays her exactly the same and the worst part is that her combos are so safe to execute so it works.
>>338005697
Scatt for Megaman
No
>>338016976
Her combos are too safe on startup because of her side b. Mid combo or near the end, if she wiffs or you escape, it can leave her completely fucked. Her landing recovery leaves her wide open to anything.
She's a huge cunt to fight against but half of the people doing so have no understanding of how her moves even work.
>>338014482
>544 days since last change
>Since 1.0.4 which only fixed a Rollout bug
I was not aware it was this bad
>>338017141
Behold, true suffering.
You thought we were exaggerating, didn't you?
I want more Samus buffs, anything else is welcome on per case basis
>>338015907
D-throw u-air was very guaranteed at certain percents and the other combos could easily be used to reach them.
Not to mention that she has an incredibly good neutral game (probably the best in the game) and can easily become an impenetrable wall to any approaches, unlike Bayonetta, who has a harder time.
>>338017470
Didn't you get enough fucking buffs last patch? Slow it down you spamming nigger.
>>338017470
Faster morph ball bombs. Less lag on missiles.
Longer u-smash such that it actually hits people AROUND her and not specifically above her.
>>337992520
>He's still shit
AAAAHAHA
>>338017569
>Spamming
casual noob spotted. You either play FG a lot and will forever be a noob, or you legitimately think it's unfair for a projectile wall character to use her moves. Hers isn't even that powerful (difficult to get by).
>>338017569
I really would love to see you fight a decent Duck Hunt if you hate Samus's "spam."
>>337974505
>playing this shitty japanese pride parade with no king k rool
fucking nintendo shills get off my board
>>338017915
But we already have enough Kings. Any more and it'd just be confusing.
>>337997706
that shit was two patches ago and doesn't even have every character.
It's completely meaningless.
>Bigger update than usual
>The "Peach's butt move is getting replaced animations" madman may be right
If this is true can't wait for the literal butthurt thru the web
>>337974505
>Hopes
-Aerial momentum conservation
-Take away snapping to discourage planking homos, keep trumping because its a good mechanic
-halve some animations, some moves are just too long winded to be useful at all, ever.
-cut landing lag across the board
-For Glory allowing normal stages as well as FD picks, minus stuff like the caves, and other gigantic stages that allow people to run and never have to fight until they get smashballs like the crybabies they are
-Buff my mains (kirby/marth)
>expectations
-More options removed
-some true combos removed creating MORE FAGGOTY GUESSING GAME OKIES
-bayonetta nerfed in general (deserving)
-Sheik nerfed yet again (undeserving, but Sakurai's ass is in pain anytime sheik does good so it'll happen)
>>338018293
>planking
>in smash 4
what
>>338018571
WFT, Villager, the pits, and anyone with a decent getup time can abuse planking still even with the ledge having a timer. it's not as strong as brawl but it's still cancerous. There's no defending it unless you enjoying being a massive aids infested faggot.
Go in or go home.
>>338018635
it's waaaaaaaay easier to deal with in this game though.
Git fucking gud and adapt, faggot.
>>338018635
You're bad.
>>337974505
They should look at the tier list and buff up bottom to top accordingly.
>>338018759
which tier list though?
The only "official" one is two patches out of date.
>>338018635
Those are two characters specifically designed to be good around the edge
And they still don't get ledge invincibility so you can knock them out of it
>>338018738
>>338018746
>seriously defendin cancerous play that hurts the games image
Found the faggots. Has nothing to do with my skill level, my ability to adapt during gameplay. It's about it being cancerous trolling playstyles that hurt the active game, its image and people wanting to get better. Deflecting it to be about me or my ability is the surest sign that I found the faggots themselves that dont know how to go in, have no technical ability but plank to be fags to ruin peoples mentality.
>>338018759
I'm sure Sm4sh's team have their own tier chart and only shake things when hoo-has blindspots appear
Where when you when zip zap zippity bap?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVZ4i9ivJZ8
>>338018927
Dude, it's not even a particularly excessively strong strategy. It may not be one you like, but it's hardly broken or cancerous to the metagame.
>>338018927
It's easier to deal with planking in this game than any game in the series, including PM. Magnet hands are one thing, but planking is not a problem at all.
>>337983005
>>337983930
We need more pictures with every single Sm4sh characters. I don't care at this point if they look bad, its just hard to get +64 characters in a small image.
Can we ask for Ridley on the roster for the NX version yet, or does that still trigger people?
>>338018990
>>338019016
My point is, if we want the game to grow, stay, and become accepted, cancerous play that hurts the game cannot be tolerated. It doesn't matter if the option is as strong as it was, it hurts our image and growth as the smash 4 community.
This game isn't brawl and shouldn't be tolerated like it is. Brawl died because of jank, because faggots who played lame ruined how people perceive the game, the community ate itself from the inside out. I will admit project M helped but that was only because people wanted to get away from that games jank.
Leaving a part of it actively in is not only harmful to our image but discourages new players from learning the game. What are you gonna do if you're a new player coming in, and you fight someone like that captain awesome faggot or volleyball/SS planking WFT #2142191?
You're gonna quit and call the game gay, and ignore it and go play gaylee, or even 64 as its popularity is back to growing.
>>338019273
Your shitty tirade doesn't mean much because planking isn't strong, and you barely see it in the competitive scene at all (seriously, I can't remember the last time I've seen someone do that shit in an annoying or boring way since customs were a thing). Yes, cancerous play should be eliminated. But no, planking in Smash 4 is weak as fuck and has several mechanics to circumvent it, so it doesn't matter.
>>338019273
>My point is, if we want the game to grow, stay, and become accepted, cancerous play that hurts the game cannot be tolerated. It doesn't matter if the option is as strong as it was, it hurts our image and growth as the smash 4 community.
And my point is, it's not even that common of a strategy because it's not particularly super strong.
It's not going to hurt the reputation of the game because it's not going to happen a whole lot.
WFT is shit and there's more optimal ways to play Villager.
>>338019273
You can punish "planking" with many lethal options.
Example: Ness's reversed D-smash.
If you can't handle someone who planks, then you'll get chewed up and spit out in Melee or 64. It NEVER happens in top-level or even mid-level play because it's rapidly punished.
>>338019273
Or I'd play more than one match against more than one character. People that would leave a game that easy were never going to play it hardcore anyway.
What the fuck are you on about with image? Brawl failed because it was a bad game. Melee is full of jank, balance issues and has thrived on a discovered glitch. But it's fun, that's why it's survived so long.
Smash 4 is fun for tons of people and going strong, why do you care about what a few casuals think of it? Why do you care about some people going back to melee? Smash 4 doesn't need to survive on legacy players alone.
I know the core of your issue is a gameplay issue so this last part isn't necessarily for you, but I'm so sick of seeing people care more about what the internet would think of them playing a certain game than whether or not they like the game.
>>337998460
If they DI away at least you get a bair though, so it's kind of a 50/50
>>338019460
[HBox intensifies]
>>338019389
>>338019414
>>338019460
>>338019683
>REEE DONT TAKE AWAY MY CAMPING!
>>337977253
Give him a combo starter
>>338020724
>camping
It's a free KO on the regrab if you aren't bad
>>338020724
Like I said you're bad. I bet you complain about projectiles too.
>>337982398
More power and range on f-smash. It should be pretty identical to Mario's f-smash, but right now, it's both weaker and has less range. D-smash should either get kill power or be a combo-starter. Up-smash is okay.
Dtilt should be a kill move after 120% or something. Bair should come out a bit faster, and less landing lag on her aerials. Charging in the air is not necessary, but would be sweet. Buff missiles and super missiles
>>337994006
Unlike sex kicks, there is actually some risk to using up B out of hitstun.
Hoping for:
Nerfs:
Bayonetta
Sonic
Little Mac
Villager
Cloud
Buffs:
nobody. I play low tier characters, and I want them to stay low tier so nobody else uses them.
I don't see why people are so concerned about planking. Only WFT can do it, but that's just because she's late to the meme party. Nobody but middle-aged people on Facebook (WFT's target audience, come to think of it) still talk about it. Though I guess it's good for dodging attacks so that can be annoying. Maybe she'll be owl/batman-ing in Smash NX.
>>338022207
>wanting Mac nerfs
It's not 2014 anymore
BUFF THE FALCON PUNCH GOD DAMMIT HOW THE FUCK IS SIDE SMASH MORE DEADLY THAN THE FALCON PUNCH?!
Buff Lucas frame data and air speed so he can become a combo god and win tournaments
>>337974505
Just give Jiggs a frame one bair and nerf Bayo desu
>>338025765
not to mention his FSmash has retardedly good range
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