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>>337954289
Pretty great until CD 2
Unfinished. Like most Square games on the PS1.
>>337954650
>>337955132
these
love the game
but fuck I wish it was finished and that disk 2 wasnt as shitty and fuck that back to back Ramsus/miang fight on disk 2
>>337954289
Personally it's a masterpiece. The best story ever done in a videogame.
Sure, CD2 was rushed and barely had any gameplay, but you should be playing this game for the story anyway, so I don't think it's that big of a deal.
A shame that so many subplots were left unfinished or undeveloped though.
best song
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqqNi5_NPe0
>>337955480
>The best story ever done in a videogame.
Suikoden I and II had a better story. Not only in quality of writing and dialogue, but because the stories were actually finished. And that's only counting PS1 games. There's many other games better than Xenogears outside of the PS1 library.
>masterpiece
Something that falls apart can't be a masterpiece.
it's fun so far kind of hoping the mechs don't take over the rest of the game, haven't touched it in a few months
A incomplete masterpiece
>>337954289
I loved it... up until the second disk.
What I'd pay good money for is for Monolith Soft to revisit Xenogears and work on a remake that has all of the content they had to cut out. But given Monolith's current situation, such an animal would be Wii U/NX-exclusive and that's all the people here would talk about.
>>337956278
Nintendo would gladly sign a deal with SquareEnix to get a remake or sequel to Xenogears. They're desperate for third party games and Monolithsoft has already proven to be a good investment.
The problem is that SquareEnix hates Nintendo. I mean, Nintendo spent years offering to completely cover the cost of marketing, distributing and localizing Dragon Quest games. And SquareEnix refused. The chance of them allowing Nintendo to greenlight a whole new game are even lower.
This is also a company who won't even let a third Chrono game get made. Despite both Square and Enix being a combined company.
>>337954289
VN/100
>>337955661
No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDslx2n7tEw
>>337957873
No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dKpeTEBYIA
>>337954289
it got a collaboration recently:http://figureheads.jp/collaboration/xenogears/
>>337957186
As much as I'd love to see the (up to) 5 other episodes of Xenogears get made there just isn't any way it would work at this time. Square doesn't have the talent or the drive to do it and Monolith also doesn't have the talent or the balls to really go through with something that intense.
>>337954289
Great game, one of my favorites, but it suffers from a bad translation and an unfinished second disk
Story
Xenogears>Xenosaga>Xenoblade Chronicles> Xenoblade X
Gameplay
Xenoblade X>Xenoblade Chronicles>Xenosaga>Xenogears
OST
Xenogears>Xenoblade Chronicles = Xenoblade X > Xenosaga
Mecha design
Xenoblade Chronicles > Xenoblade X > Xenogears > Xenosaga
>>337958748
>Square doesn't have the talent
LOL
>>337959156
Haven't played Xenosaga but I would agree with most of this. I would disagree with the OST though. While Xenogears has a great one, it has WAY to few tracks and it gets repetitive really fast.
>>337959301
They've all left.
Tried it and hated it. The gameplay was tedious and very unfun and the story took forever to go anywhere.
>>337959156
>Xenogears
>Not ultra god tier mech design
>Not 400 tiers above the rest in terms of OST
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqOWhstrffw
Mitsuda needs to come back to full size JRPGs and save us, maybe team him up with Go Shiina for some Tales games.
based
I heard the story was great, so I tried it.
It's not.
who is the artist?
>>337959756
They do have talent though. There is still some left.
That some just isn't allowed to work on what they want.
>>337958748
Well, the major talent behind Xenogears wasn't really Monolith SOft. It was Masato Kato as writer and director. And he still works with SquareEnix (he wrote the story for games like Final Fantasy XI and Children of Mana for example). Though honestly, if anyone has a reason to give SquareEnix the finger, it is him. No one, not even Sakaguchi, has been treated worse than he has.
Also, the XenoSaga games were suppose to be episodes I-III of the Xenogears story. But that was done so poorly, I think we should just put the series to rest.
>>337959871
Facia(s) looked better overall.
>>337960159
How was he treated poorly?
>>337960328
>>337960391
Both Chrono Cross and Xenogears were underfunded and rushed to release before they were done. He was then told that there would be no new Chrono games and he was shoved on various Final Fantasy/Mana projects. Aside from Final Fantasy XI, all the other games he worked on suffered the same low budget and rushed production of the previous games. And a game like Children of Mana didn't even need a story. Let alone one written by a guy of his talent.
And for the last decade, he's pretty much been ignored.
Finished Xenosaga Ep I just today. It was not good, there was no aspect to it that would make me want to play it over Xenogears. It wasn't as bad as Xenoblade X, and probably was pretty cool for the time it released, but I didn't like it too much. KOS-MOS and Ziggy were all right characters, everyone else though I could barely stand. It wasn't totally unenjoyable though, some scenes made me laugh and feel for the characters, mainly MOMO. Still going to play the next 2 episodes, from what I've heard Ep III is the best of them all.
>>337960328
>>337960875
Makes sense now why FF11 was such a good game. They could spin that into a single player game and have a wonderful game for all those that didn't get to take part in the MMO.
>>337960036
Kunihiko Tanaka
Yasuyuki Honne
>>337960159
>Masato Kato
it's both Takahashi and his wife who proposed this.
>http://xeno-underground.net/oldwiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=wiki:history_of_xeno_part01.htm.pdf
The original concept was a story about "a young soldier of fortune with multiple personalities" that Soraya
wrote that year. Soraya have given at least two accounts of what followed:
"Takahashi proposed the plan to our boss. Though the plan was rejected because it was too sci-fi for RPG, the
boss kindly gave us an advice "Why don't you make it into a new game?". Then I came up with an idea about
a deserted A.I. with feminine personality who becomes an origin of new mankind in the unexplored planet.
Takahashi refined the idea into more deeper and mystic love story."
- Soraya Saga (Fringe FAQ, Mars 05, 2005)
"I and Tetsuya Takahashi originally submitted it as a script idea for Final Fantasy VII. While we were told that
it was too dark and complicated for a fantasy, the boss was kind enough to give Takahashi a chance to
launch a new project. Then Takahashi and I wrote up the full screenplay which contained cutscene-dialogues
in final form, thus the project was born."
- Soraya Saga (Interview with Siliconera, June 11, 2010)
>>337961914
>and Tetsuya Takahashi originally submitted it as a script idea for Final Fantasy VII. While we were told that it was too dark and complicated for a fantasy
>FFVII becomes an overly dark and cyberpunk style SciFi story, which fans love
>>337954289
it was ahead of its time. i wish the japs made more games as ambitious as xenogears was.
>>337962220
i know, it's like senior management brainwashes them. and since they are japs, they have to agree and follow in line, or risk dishonoring the company.
>>337962220
Imagine that setup, Xenogears as FF7 and FF7 as FF8. What a 1-2 punch that would have been.
I wonder if they would have made the other episodes of "FF7" if history went down that path.
>>337962259
>i wish the japs made more games as ambitious as xenogears was.
Shin Megami Tensei
Lufia 2
Terranigma
Dragon Quest V
Suikoden II
In other words. Actually play something besides just a Square RPG.
>>337962728
>Terranigma
My nigga. This game is so underrated and so many people haven't played it just because it wasn't released in the US.
>>337954289
First disk is god tier
Second disk is "we're out of money" tier
>>337962728
all of those games were made in the past. I have played them all, and loved them at the time. the golden age of the JRPG is over. no, i don't want to hear about persona, persona is shit.
>>337956006
Well I will warn you that the majority of disk 2 gameplay is in mechs. Theres only like one boss I can think of thats actually on foot in disk 2. But you can probably blame that on the budget running out.
Especially since there are 2 optional on foot dungeons in disk 2 that give you upgrades to on foot combat.
BUUUUUT they both are only accessible after you've already fought the final required on foot battle in the entire damn game.
At least one of those dungeons also has plot building for one of the best characters
>>337962728
>Dragon Quest V
this one got remade for DS.
>>337955837
>Suikoden I and II had a better story.
Better story telling, shit story.
>>337963147
>all of those games were made in the past.
That's the point? He claimed no one ever made a game as revolutionary or experimental as Xenogears. I posted examples of games that came before Xenogears.
>>337962728
>Terranigma
what happened near the end?
>>337963415
I guess that's up to your opinion. I think it also had a better overall story.
Maybe you're getting confused because Suikoden I and II didn't try to be overly convoluted and philosophical like Xenogears did. But this is also why Suikoden I and II was more polished and complete.
>>337963475
He said he wished they made MORE of them. Correct me if I'm wrong but all of those were made before 1998ish, has there been anything made in the last 18 years that you can put into that category?
>>337962220
FF7 wasn't really as dark as xenogears was. And it had a lot more light moments than xenogears did, even though xenogears had its fair share of light stuff.
Really, lets just compare the two
>FF7:One of your party members is dead and a meteor is zooming towards the planet, and itll wipe out civilization unless stopped
>Xenogears:None of your party members die, but the vast majority of civilization is either dead or mutated into horrible abominations
>FF7:Main character is a loser amnesiac who subconsciously adopted the life of his friend who died
>Xenogears:main character is a split personality of a psychopath who was tortured by his mom for much of his childhood until she died. And hes also the reincarnation of a man who has died tragically multiple times
I would say xenogears was definitely darker
>>337962503
Imagine if Xenogears was FF7 and FF7 was "Mako Chronicles: Legend of the Centra"
>>337959156
>OST
>Xenogears>Xenoblade Chronicles = Xenoblade X
kill yourself
>>337963635You get killed by your lightside half after your girlfriend dies
>>337963887
You can't hide your shame
>>337963742
Kill yourself.
>>337964048
me mistyping doesnt change your shit taste
>http://xeno-underground.net/oldwiki/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=wiki:history_of_xeno_part04.htm.pdf (Xenoblade)
>"Most of the RPGs we've created had their main focus on story and cutscenes, but I think that approach has
reached a dead end," Takahashi said in an interview with Famitsu magazine in early 2010. "This project
[Monado] got its start because we wanted to return to basics -- we just wanted to create a fun adventure.
We're trying to give the player a lot of freedom without having them feel lost."
>This project [Monado] got its start because we wanted to return to basics -- we just wanted to create a fun adventure.
We're trying to give the player a lot of freedom without having them feel lost."
This is what we need.
>>337964218
>your shit taste
Irony
>>337963726
>i wish the japs made more games as ambitious as xenogears was.
He didn't specify games that came after Xenogears. And its far more impacting to point out games that were ambitious before Xenogears came out. Proving that Xenogears wasn't some fluke.
As for games that came after Xenogears, there's been plenty of ambitious games. From Chrono Cross to Ni no Kuni to Dragon Quest X to White Knight Chronicles to Demon's Souls and more. Now, are all those games good? Not really. But they were ambitious.
>>337963680
>overly convoluted and philosophical
Confirmed for never actually playing it or just really dim.
Either way, opinion invalidated.
>>337964232
>"I couldn't figure out why they would care so much about a game like Xenoblade Chronicles when they had so many superior RPGs to choose from in the West."
- Tetsuya Takahashi, Interview with Tetsuya Takahashi (Nintendo Power, 2012)
WEST MASTERACE OF RPG
>>337964378
>unironically believes XB's OST equals X's
i mean even Xenogears's ost was pretty bland
>>337964232
>Square making a game that puts exploration and a sense of adventure over cinematics and story
Not since Legend of Mana on the PS1. Only the Enix side really does this.
>>337964586
>i mean even Xenogears's ost was pretty bland
And you claim others have shit taste.
>>337954289
It's good, but the people who claim it's one of the greatest obviously never completed the game. It's waaaay too convoluted. Too many sub plots. Too much symbolism without context. No one can understand what the fuck just happened in one play through. And fuck fuel management in late boss fights. Some of the dungeons are easy to get lost in. Fucking chuchu. I appreciate the attempt and how grand it felt. There just should have been things cut out. It would have been fine without the past life bullshit
>>337964728
it had a bunch of original/great tracks, but XB's variety surpasses it
>>337964627
Man
Legend of Mana was kind of an anomaly really. I can't think of any game quite like it.
I love it to death, one of my favorite ps1 games of all time, one of my favorite games in general.
But its just such a fucking wierd game.
>tfw Monolith will never come back to Sony
God, fuck Nintendo.
They are less and less ambitious with the story nowadays.
>>337965109
Their best games were with Nintendo.
>>337964469
I hope I am Setsuna isn't terrible.
But I'm worried since we've seen jack shit about the game itself. They are advertising it solely on nostalgia which to me isn't a good sign.
>>337965109
>Monolith will never come back to Sony
Sony never owned them and you're a dumb troll.
>>337964627
>Square making a game that puts exploration and a sense of adventure
What is FFXII?
>>337954289
Good game
>>337965223
>xenoblade or x
>anywhere near as good as xenogears
Kill yourself.
>>337965295
>What is FFXII?
A game with the most boring characters ever made
>>337956278
>Monolith should do a remake
Nah. You don't move forward by going backwards. MS take everything they learn and apply it to their next project, always have done. What I'd like, if anything, is for Takahashi to supervise a remaster with some additional gameplay.
>>337965393
>>337965362
Xenoblade X has the best gameplay.
>>337965614
But it has the worst story.
>>337965524
People completely forgot this one. The origin improved the card gameplay.
>>337965721
The story is great, what you on about lad
>>337965149
>Primarily aimed at a female audience
>>337965524
it has a FFX feel to it and it was a bit hard.
>>337965902
>great
It was shit.
>>337959156
Gameplay
Xenoblade X>Xenoblade Chronicles>Xenogears>Xenosaga
Probably the only change I would make
>>337966019
>*What Takahashi was implying is basically synonymous with "character study" earlier in the chart as he believes women are more interested in the characters personalities and "mental parts." We must also not forget the strong elements of romance in Xenogears and Xenosaga. With 'Blade being more of a shonen story (shonen = boy) there is less focus on characters personalities and their depth. Instead, as Takahashi assessed about the preference of male audience, there is rather a focus on characters external appearance
>>337954289
It's good, although I think it needs a remake, with all the rushed parts being fleshed out.
If it wasn't for the rushed parts, this game would most likely be in my top 10 games of all time.
>>337966243
Sounds about right
>>337966243
>Xenogears
>Good gameplay
It makes games like FFVIII look like masterpieces by comparison.
>>337966243
What about >>337965524
>>337965295
>FFXII
>exploration
Running back and forth between the same zones a dozen times isn't exploration. And FFXII has the most empty cities I've ever seen. Each city has 50+ NPCs. But only three of them have any interaction with your party. And there's nothing to interact with. You can't even fucking check pots, barrels or creates for items, despite the designers spending years making them look good.
So where exactly is the exploration?
>>337966334
"All the rushed parts" is basically just "All of disk 2"
And I dunno if I trust current squeenix to pull it off
>>337966380
No Xeno name and no robots.
>>337966374
Combos are fun and better than any system FF ever shit out.
>>337966616
Combos were fun, but its not like the system was deep or anything. I'll eat my shirt if you can honestly admit you did anything besides your best death blows outside of building the deathblow gauge or grinding to learn new deathblows
>>337966616
They're literally just mashing the same combos over and over and watching overlong animations for basic attacks you use every turn.
>>337965902
>X's story is great
I am 175 hours in and the story is awful
How can you defend the end btw im truly curious
>>337966770
You hold off from combos to build your action gauge and then unleash a linked combo when they're vulnerable.
You use the correct elemental combo to match the weakness of the enemies.
You switch to ground combat to conserve fuel on weak enemies.
It's as deep as any final fantasy.
>>337966440
There was a feeling of adventure to it.
Will monolith soft ever do a good looking game again?
>>337967193
I guess. But if you're lowering your standards of adventure that low, than basically any JRPG has some adventure.
>>337954289
Overzealous, pretentious, garbage.
Music is excellent, everything else sucks.
>>337967352
Will Nintendo?
They really can't do much with Nintendo's current strategy when it comes to hardware. X pushed the Wii to it's absolute limits and needed separate downloads packs to work around it's limitations.
>>337967352
Takahashi said he would focus more on story for his next game
>>337967130
Choosing not to attack so you can charge up a stronger attack is hardly deep
And enemies having elemental weaknesses is common in basically every rpg. Besides, only Elly and Billy even really bother with elements. The elemental deathblows come so late theres almost no chance you will get them unless you really grind for them. In my last playthrough, only Citan and Fei got any and only Citan got all of his.
And if you are playing properly you shouldn't need to get out of your mechs to conserve fuel. As long as you keep your mechs properly upgraded and don't use all your strongest fuel draining shit all the time, you should be able to get through without running out of fuel.
>>337965149
I didn't really see that many religious themes in Xenoblade Chronicles, and with the exception of all the names that were "localized" I didn't see many of them in X until towards the very end
>>337967352
Believe in Nintendo NX. They're working on the new Zelda right now with Nintendo.
>>337967639
So again, deeper than any Final Fantasy where all you do is chose basic attack every turn and win every fight by hammering x.
Glad we agree.
>>337967843
>new Zelda
People still expect something good from Zelda games ?
>>337967874
Id say FF10 was deeper than that.
But Id also say FF10 was the height of combat in the franchise, so I guess thats fine.
>>337967734
>I didn't really see that many religious themes in Xenoblade Chronicles
"you kill the god" at the end and the whole thing with Zanza etc
>>337967960
>FF10 was the height of combat in the franchise
absolutly
turn-based system is most-based system
>>337967843
There's never been a source on that. They just said they'd be interested, during a random interview.
>>337968019
I think you and him might be thinking of different kinds of religious themes.
Xenogears had plenty of parallels to real world religions and themes. Xenoblade was just "You kill God"
>>337968019
I should rephrase that; I didn't see too many things that were tied as deeply into judeo christian themes as the previous xeno games.
>>337968145
The 1st CD was a game and the 2nd was 4/5 VN and 1/5 game
>>337968019
Plus the end boss was literally called Yahweh in Japan. But stupid Richard Honeywood forced them to change it for the western release, claiming you can't reference God in a video game.
Yet he didn't seem to have any problem using the word god to describe all the Dragon's in Chrono Cross. What an idiot.
>>337967960
>Id say FF10 was deeper than that.
It's really not. Especially with the sphere grid. CTB is the best framework they've had for FF but it still wasn't deep.
>>337968340
Well theres a difference between calling something a god and directly naming it after a real world deity.
Its sorta like FFT. Its fine for you to kill Ajora, but if Ajora had been named Jesus, that wouldn't have flown.
>>337954289
didn't like it, and I'm a squaresoft fanboy
>low enemy variety
>high encounter rate
>story is badly paced
>boring dungeons
>slow text speed
>regular combat has potential but feels underdeveloped
>platforming sucks
>unfinished
>chu chu
the OST is great, the story is ambitious and that robot fighting mini game is fun
>>337955837
Just because a story is incomplete doesn't mean it is not as good as a completed story.
>A song of fire and ice is incomplete.
>But Twighlight is a better story cus its actually finished.
Good logic buddy...
>>337968445
I'm talking about the actual combat. Makes you regularly switch around your party members to fulfill different roles in battle.
I mean sure that goes away if you grind enough, but you really have to grind a lot to even reach that level, and by that point the game is broken anyway
If you aren't grinding a lot, you do have to use the system to use most of your party
>>337968569
Thats not really a good comparison because ASoIaF will actually be finished one day (as long as the author doesn't die first)
Xenogears will NEVER be finished.
>>337968709
But in its current unfinished state it is still better than twighlight is it not?
Would you rather eat cookie dough or shit? The cookie dough isn't finished as it needs to be cooked still, but the shit is in its completed state.
What would taste better I wonder?
>>337968526
>that robot fighting mini game
Since most of the enemy robots end up in the battling area why wasn't that the actual robot combat? They had such a good system there and it feels wasted as a mini game.
Would have made the robot fights far more interesting.
>>337968569
Your example is pretty bad since Song of Ice and Fire has the same problem Xenogears and the entire Xeno series has. It had too big of a scope, expecting to make the story span over half a dozen books. In the process, this has made each of the individual books full of padding and incomplete story arcs. In other words, bad planning led to bad books.
Xenogears as a stand alone game is incomplete. And the last half of it would have been bad even if it got 5 more sequels. Suikoden I and II on the other hand are good as stand alone games. While Suikoden as a series will never be complete.
>>337965524
Baten Kaitos 3 never
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B64f48ewdo
It's fantastic, one of the best soundtracks ever, interesting battle system great story.
Other than some budget and pacing issues it's one of the best on the ps1.
I'd probably say this valkyrie profile, Chrono Cross, Vagrant story and let's say FF9 are my favourites.
>>337969165
>But in its current unfinished state it is still better than twighlight is it not?
But in its unfinished state, Xenogears is not better than Suikoden II.
>>337958210
No sex in the poison gas chamber? What a fagget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3trGYO8POgo
Xenogears needs a proper reboot with the same combat system but with a fancier UI. I would fund the ever living hell for that and even quit school.
>>337969252
It was pretty damn shallow. Basically just run around and shoot fireballs until they die
Not that the actual combat was super deep but it was better than the fighting game. It was good as a diversion, but I wouldn't want it to be the main gameplay
>>337968325
>The 1st CD was a game
Not a very good one though. XG was the predecessor to Planescape Torment.
>>337969585
This was more hype: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQi7vk9Yzdk
>>337966243
I love the gameplay in saga 3
>>337969585
Pft
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3OJFPTbzO8
>>337969917
I thought it was kind of hilarious that even under water she rides on her gear's shoulder.
How does she breath?
>>337969585
>the same combat system
Why? It was shit.
>>337970009
the glasses on her head and she must have something with her gear.
>>337970009
Shevat hyper-technology, probably with nanomachines involved.
>>337970038
This way, you can see ID fuking you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cirQD3cIWa8
>>337970250
>Someone actually made art of it
That amuses me
this will be an unpopular opinion, but the combos would've worked better in an ATB battle system and if they were similar to Sabin's blitzes
>>337970290
You could have the same thing with any combat system.
>>337970038
Saying such heresy about a robust combat system; xenogears was literally the only turn base rpg besides legend of the dragoon that allowed you to feel like your in control of attacking rather than just pressing "attack" or "skill"
But fei and the docs special effects; oh shit nigger they dunk niggers johnny cage style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yL-_0Yo4ZMQ
>>337954289
Favorite game of all time. Even replayed it last year to see if it still held up. Was very happy when it did.
So, uh... Did they fuck?
>>337970740
I mean it was fun, but it wasn't exactly deep or anything. You just use the same deathblows every turn.
>>337955837
S1's story was nothing special at all. 2 was good for like 2/3rds of the game then dropped the ball even harder than Disc 2.
>>337970964
Yes.
Yes they did.
Fun fact actually.
Elly's gear is named Vierge
In french, Vierge means "Virgin"
After she has sex with Fei, she never uses Vierge again. Next time she gets in a gear, its her omnigear.
Shame you never actually get to use it.
>>337970964
Yes, in fact they did and you can even watch it in game.
>>337970740
except you had to get good at doing additions
>>337971148
You don't get to watch it. You just see them kiss
And then you see Elly naked in bed as Fei leaves
>>337970740
LoD's combat is also terrible. Both systems don't add any depth and only serve to pad out battles in an already lengthy genre.
>>337970740
Fukei is goat, the one with the dark fist too.
>>337971351
Did somebod ysay
MADNESS
HEROOOOOO?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhX-zlwOpSA
>>337970717
it won't have the same feel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZODq_x_DRY
>>337970475
There is art of all the most memorable moments.
>>337970964
Obviously.
>>337970964
>>337971148
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9m5dCKdtAI
>>337971601
triggered
>>337971601
So this is what they mean by triggered.
>>337971104
A shame indeed, i really liked the design and colors
>>337971601
just crucify my gear up
>>337959156
>Mecha design
Xenoblade Chronicles > Xenoblade X > Xenogears > Xenosaga
wat
more like
Xenoblade Chronicles X> Xenogears > Xenoblade Chronicles > Xenogears > Xenosaga
>>337972181
>Xenoblade Chronicles X
generic design
>>337972181
You put xenogears twice
>>337972181
Nah, Xenoblade is easily the top.
>>337959871
>the end of Xenosaga 3.
>with Maria and miniSeibzhen
>knew they wouldn't join but I wanted them to join so so so so bad
It still hurts.
>>337966243
>xc and xenogears
>good gameplay
None of those bar X has good gameplay.
I've only played the ones on the wii and wii u. Do you guys recommend the other xeno games and if so do they emulate well?
>>337972413
>>337972496
>>337972668
>muh creativity
>posts generic steampunck robot clocks
>>337972671
>Offline mmo
>Robot fights which boil down to waiting on minute long weapon cooldown timers
>Good gameplay
Nice try, they're all shit.
>>337972830
xenogears emulates fine, play it nigga
>>337972830
I recommend Xenogears. Though it has a pretty heavy Story to gameplay ratio, and the second disk kinda falls of in quality.
But the first disk is pretty god tier.
So I'd recommend it. And it should emulate fine. If you got a ps3 or psp, you can get it off PSN for like 10 bucks
>>337972830
Xenogears emulates well. Xenosaga I've had some issues with but should be playable.
>Xenogears
Worth a try if you enjoy PS1 era jrpgs. It'll leave a bit of a bad taste though on the grand scale of things seeing how the game is great but wasted potential due to being unfinished.
>Xenosaga
Play 1 and 3. 2 is shit in gameplay, plot, and art style change.
>>337972878
Must be hell being unable to appreciate thoughtful mechanical design.
Enjoy your generic Gundam and Transformer knock-offs.
>>337972830
the 2 Baten Kaitos on gamecube are 2 of the best RPG of this console. You can easily emulate it's but not a "xeno" game. It's made by the same team though: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVrZoJkaz3k
They should port them.
Xenosaga II is shit.
>>337972830
I would recommend Gears first, it's more palatable.
If you saw potential in XCX's story, play Xenosaga.
Both of these games are dated, and having more more tedious gameplay or long cutscenes.
>>337972830
Xenogears is best when emulated.
That way you can hold down the fastforward button anytime you get to the boring ass combat sections with their insanely high encounter rates.
The monotonous combat isn't a problem at 10x speed.
>yfw Takahashi teams up with Yoko Taro in the next game
Singing robots!
>>337972939
>Robot fights which boil down to waiting on minute long weapon cooldown timers
have you even played x? it's a fact by now that the only reason people even play x is for gameplay. Sing how shitty it's story is, that says a lot about how much weight it holds if people like a jrpg with shitty story.
>>337972939
Xenoblade has the best mecha rpg gameplay.
>>337973573
>a jrpg with shitty story
That's the grand majority of them.
Can you guys really say that the story was shit in X? I mean they reached their objective and found the lifehold core without straying from their goal. The story was consistent until the end. What did you wanted more?
What is the best party and why is it the loli party?
>>337973890
>keeping loli EmereldaYou're ok
>>337973823
yeah in your bubble of 3 jrpgs you played and dropped in 1 hour.
>>337973847
>ending on a cliffhanger for the story
>no sequel
>>337973573
Have you?
Mech combat in X is absolute shit. And the ground combat isn't much better, it's a slight modification of Xenoblade's shitty combat with a new overdrive system which means you don't get cool team attacks which was the only thing Xenoblade's combat had going for it.
What X has going for it is character building and mmo grinding for augments and mech materials which will keep the autistic busy for months as they fight the same shit over to get drops (or tickets with the online) to perfect their build.
>>337954289
liked the concept but the gameplay ranged from mediocre on foot and shit in mechs.
>>337973768
Front Mission 3
>>337974029
JRPGs are my favorite genre.
>>337974206
Wow, that's exactly how I felt about X.
>>337974237
>worst main Front Mission
Stop.
>>337968569
He's not just saying the story is incomplete.
Xenogears had a horrible plot.
>>337974379
>Best
>Worst
Kill yourself and save us for your shit opinions.
>>337973847
I had nothing against the premise and absolutely loved chapter 5. The direction they were going was great. The problem was the follow through.
I would even argue that the premise and implications of chapter 5 were far more interesting than XC, which was literally babies first jrpg.
The problem was what happened after chapter 5:
>goetia no back story or development
>dagaan ryz no back story or development
>luxaar no back story or development
>L no back story or development
>Celica no back story or development
And the millions of unanswered questions. They were interesting questions, far more than XC, but they were unanswered and incomplete, giving people the impession that the story had no depth even though Xeno fans know Takahashi had something bigger in store.
Story time
>>337974536
It's a big step down from the second game, features the worst (and youngest) cast, lowest amount of units per map, a gimmick that's very underutilized, and has a retarded ranking system. The only reason why people like it are nostalgia. It's even worse than the very first game in the franchise and has nothing on shit like 2 and 5.
>>337974237
You're implying that FM3 has a better gameplay than X?
This must be bait.
>>337974993
Why is Emeralda so cute?
>>337973847
X was fucking dull for a Xeno game up until that final chapter.
I mean a good Xenogame shit hits the fan and gets crazy at least 3/4ths of the way through, like mechonis core in Xenoblade or when they get to Solaris in Xenogears. X never had that moment and ends right when it started getting interesting.
Final chapter introduces the religious symbolism, final chapter introduces the fact that there is more going on than just the basic surface level, final chapter links X to Xenoblade, final chapter leaves us with a cliffhanger like who was that guy on the beach with Lao and how are they still alive if the lifehold is broken.
That's not the time to suddenly get interesting after spending 8 hours being boring predictable by the numbers crap.
>>337974993
>is you hair made of nanomachines
kek
>>337954289
Not a particularly good game, honestly. I know people will say "Dude, it's fucking awesome until disc 2 happens!", but I kind of disagree. I think the peak of Xenogears as an actual game was Kislev - even with the boring ass sewer dungeon, you still went through a very fleshed-out, self-contained arc about trying to break out of this cyberpunk ghetto prison - with a cool mech fighting mini-game to boot! But from then on, the gameplay quality just progressively worse as you go. The dungeons get more boring, shops and equipment become more sparse, and gameplay time overall starts to shrink, while cutscenes start getting longer. By the time to hit Solaris, you basically get stuck in this boring tech gauntlet with loads of copy-pasted rooms and forgettable enemies. I guarantee you the only reason anyone would like that part of the game is because of the story revelations that happen during that time.
And then the second disc happens and things really go to shit. Hell, even the plot becomes a lot less compelling since a good chunk of important events happen off-screen and get told to you via slideshow-esque monologues featuring main characters sitting on chairs with that weird Nisan cross pendant swinging in the background. Speaking of main characters - I hate how the plot just utterly shafts Rico, Billy, Maria, and Emeralda and reduces them to these taciturn nobodies who just nonchalantly follow the rest of the party. It's so lame. Anyway, the game then essentially becomes a bunch of long-ass cutscenes with a bunch of pissy-easy, barely consequential boss fights in between. By the time to overworld opens up again, the only things you have to do besides going straight to the main dungeon is playing the mech fighting game for shits and giggles, pulling some random katana out of a fucking dino fossil, and watching more cutscenes at Zeboim before grinding for hours without end to afford Joe's useless, overpriced crap.
God, this game was boring as all fuck.
>>337975207
Chapter 5 was the high point of the game story wise. But you can't deny that the world building that the quests give you are pretty good
>>337973191
Baten Kaitos is a nintendo IP?
>>337975676
>Chapter 5
If chapter 5 wasn't the last chapter you're wrong.
Every story mission up until that point was fucking dull as shit.
Side quests were better than any of the story missions.
>>337975794
All the monolith shit is now.
>>337975794
Monolith Soft was fully owned by Namco when Baten Kaitos released.
Monolith Soft was fully owned by Nintendo by the time Xenoblade Chronicles released.
>>337973847
I thought the story itself was great, and the world building even better, I wasn't a fan of how the main story was poised, however
>>337975971
chapter 5 was the motivation for chapter 12.
Chapters 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and arguably 11, were all fillers with no development in the grand scheme.
If the game was chapter 1, 2, 5 and 12. It would be perfect.
I haven't played a JRPG outside of Tales games and I'm really skeptical when someone claims that some JRPGs have very good stories and writing.
Out of the many Western RPGs that I've played, I can count on a single hand the ones that have good writing and story telling.
I feel like that many of you rating writing don't read books. I'm not even talking about quality of prose since that can easily be lost in translation.
>>337976350
>I haven't played a JRPG outside of Tales games
Maybe if you stopped playing that crap you would enjoy a lot more jrpgs
>>337966838
Sequel bait?
>>337976350
except xenogears is literally compressed works of Friedrich Nietzsche, Sigmund Freud, Jacques Lacan and Carl Jung, /lit/
>>337976350
If I had to pick a JRPG with a plot that's actually really good and not just good relative to video games, I'd go with Mother 3. Also, Tales games are known for being horribly cliched anime bullshit. Granted, it's pretty representative of the MO of most JRPGs, but there are some good exceptions to the rule.
>>337966838
well if you played anything outside XC, like gears and saga, the truth would be blatantly obvious why we are excited.
>>337976307
Wait was that the one with the mim reveal and the man-on introduction?
Alright I can see that, but it's still not the best the final chapter had so much more going on it felt like I was suddenly playing a good game for a change.
The mission in chapter 5 itself was so dull I don't even remember it.
>>337976557
I doubt JRPGs have writing that are much better than WRPGs.
>>337976603
That sounds like what a pretentious writer would do. Those thinkers are some of the most over referenced in modern media.
Let me guess, there's the overused "If you state into the abyss, be careful it doesn't stare back at you" Nietzsche quote as well?
>>337976787
That's arguable. I lean more to 12 as you say, but 5 is very impactful. Not just the reveal, but the first hints when Tatsu was asked what language he was speaking, and he answered Nopon, while speaking in english.
>>337954289
retarded
random stat level ups
not fun
mechs are somehow worse to play in than on foot
slow as fuck
i dropped this shit on cd 1
>>337973439
>grotesquerie queen is piloted by zero
this garbage writes itself
>>337977039
Why don't you go play the game and judge for yourself, instead of shit posting here, maybe then you will understand the difference between pretentious and ambition.
>>337976787
They dropped huge bombs on the last chapter that I genuinely felt that the game was starting.
Nice OP, probably the best looking indie game I've seen in years...
>>337977386
here's your reply
>>337977684
>tfw Margie will never be a party member
>>337974805
>>337974993
>>337975179
Are these done by Azuma Kiyohiko?
>you will never get a mech with matching armor plating and fighting style
Xenoblade spoilers for those who haven't gotten to the Sword Valley yet
>>337974379
What? No.
>>337974868
>2
>good
>Literally takes a minute to load the battle animations every time units fight
That shit was unbearable even in 1997
>>337978834
Give a good reason why it's better than any other main game in the series.
>>337979386
Not him but I found 4 the worst personally.
>>337954289BRRRRROOOOOOKKKENN MIIIIIIIIRRRROOORRR
Are they announcing something at the E3? Any hint?
>>337979551A MILLION SHAAADES OF LIGHT
>>337979551
A MILLION SHADES OF LIIIGHT
>>337979052
>>Literally takes a minute to load the battle animations every time units fight
No it wasn't.
Stop talking out of your ass.
>>337954289
>There will never be a remastered Xenogears with a complete Disc 2 the way Takahashi envisioned it
>>337973847
Yes we can. Some of the side content is great and the world building can be extremely well done on par with a really good soap opera but many MANY aspects of overall story is completely retarded and awful or inconsistent. Even in the short main story, aspects of the story conflict one another such as death being important being immediately sidelined to "we can revive him when we get the lifecore.
>>337979645
>Never played 2
You're making it obvious.
>>337979642
THE OLD ECHO FADES AWAY
>>337954289
I absolutely loved it but as other anons have mentioned its not without its fault especially when you get to disc 2.
The combat to cutscene ratio was also pretty ridiculous for some stretches of the game but the story was interesting enough to keep me playing. Didn't like how disc 2 was almost entirely gear combat and the final dungeon was all in your gear. It was also a bit overwhelming how much of a story rush disc 2 was, at the end of disc 1 you were still very unsure what was going on with the plot then its suddenly all explained in a few hours.
TL:DR: Great game with flaws budget cuts on disc 2 are very noticeable. Still worth playing at least once.
>>337979896
BUT JUST YOU AND I CAN FIND THE ANSWER, AND THEN
>>337979896
BUT JUST YOOOOOUUU AAAANNNDDD IIIIII
>>337979709
>aspects of the story conflict one another such as death being important being immediately sidelined to "we can revive him when we get the lifecore.
They can't just waste lives when they needed all the help they could get to track down the lifehold core. Andin the end, everyone who died really did die because their digital "soul" passes with their mim.
>>337980021
WE CAN RUUUUNNN TOOOOO THE END OF THE WORLD
>>337980021
WE CAN RUUUUNN TOOO THE EENNND OF THE WORLD
>>337979551
It's such a girly fucking song but I sing it every fucking time.
>>337980149
>>337980157
COLD FIRE CLINCHED TO MY HEART
>>337955661
Fucking loved this games soundtrack. I remember getting to the room with deus and being super pumped while fighting the cores around him just because I was excited to hear the final boss music.
>>337980315
IN THE BLUE OF NIGHT
"Does one really need the power to destroy everything? I don't need that ... Grant unto thee the power of the glorious 'Mother of Destruction'!”
>>337980474
TORN BY THIS PAIN, I PAINT YOUR NAME, IN SOOOUUUNNND!
>>337954289
Without a doubt my favorite JRPG (and game) by leaps and bounds. 10/10 fucking brilliant. I don't care what people say about disc 2. Nothing made since even holds a candle to Xenogears. Xenosaga had its moments. especially in III, but Xenogears is legendary. I never get tired of playing this game, but when I do a depression sets over me because I know there isn't anything else as good.
>>337959871
This.
>>337973847
Everything about X is complete shit.
>>337980057
They clarify protag's almost death as something irreversible then later when Irina's crew dies in the ganglion attack they talk about reviving him as a goal then in the end none of it mattered because the ship was broken all along. So the narrative is inconsistent and conflicting, presumably to drum up interest in the player to give a shit about the end goal and/or set the stakes. The end presumably is to try and make a hook for a sequel like everyone being able to understand one another (introduced like mid-way into the story and literally never mentioned again) or Lao teleporting to a beach and waking up.
It's extremely terrible writing execution for what should be a simple bait and switch and then became show and don't tell at a kindergartner's writer convention.
>>337973997
Not like theres any gameplay benefit to actually doing her sidequest
Though it seems canonically it happens since shes older in the last cutscene
Here is a link to Perfect Works (translated) if anyone is interested.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/29956195@N08/sets/72157616593453778/
>>337981273
Oh shit, noice
>>337981273
A higher resolution version up on sad panda.
>>337981273
ramsus had a terrible life
>>337981273
You know, I just realized
You never DO actually fight those gears that fucked up Lahan at the start. You never see them again as far as I remember either.
Not that I thought there was specifically anything special about them, but you never see more
>>337980759
>Everything about X is complete shit.
That's not really true and you should probably stop being a hyperbolic piece of shit. I understand you have your favorite but every Xeno game has it's strengths.
>>337981473
>mfw he was originally going to join your party
It hurts. Ramsus had a hard life. At least he gets a happy ending
>>337979547
Explain why you dipshit.
It's a shame that this game cannot be mentioned on daytime /v/ without babies proceeding to talk about the festering pile of shit that is XCX.
>>337981608
Ramsus' character is interesting. I like how you go from hating him to sympathizing and feeling sorry for him.
https://www.strawpoll.me/10241797
>>337981249
She's basically the strongest character in the game with it. Her stats increase and she has larger level up gains. Her gear is also stronger and gives it potential to be even stronger than the xenogear.
It's a retarded piece of crap loved by idiots.
>a mech that shoots its own pilot as ammo
>>337966514
>no robots.
gotta call you on that one sir. There are robots in Baiten Kaitos they just run on magic.
>>337979547
4 is fucking GOAT
5 and Evolve are the only legitimately bad entries in the franchise.
![Junya Ishigaki Works- ROBO no Ishi -000b (front outer cover) [Archive-Scans].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/Iym9Jvg.jpg "Junya Ishigaki Works- ROBO no Ishi -000b (front outer cover) [Archive-Scans]")
>>337981882
Gears for sure, they got progressively worse with each franchise thereafter. Junya Ishigaki is fucking dope. He also designed the mechs for Gundam Wing, among other notable anime things.
>>337981979
Do you get to pilot them?
>Mfw it wasn't until recently that I realized Weltall was supposed to be pronounced the way Germans would pronounce it (the W is pronounced like a V)
I still say it english phonetically because thats how I've pronounced it for years and Ill be damned if I change now
>>337981913
But on foot stats don't really affect gear stats. Gear stats are affected by their upgrades.
Though I guess she would get a bonus to her ether moves since the Ether stat is relevant even in gear.
>>337967874
Actually, FF7 had some insanely good enemy AIs, especially some of the bosses. The game didn't lack depth, it was just poorly balanced and by the end of the game a normal attack was good enough and magic became shit unless it hit lots of times.
Xenogears though had a really poor battle system.
>>337981707
>>337981994
Honestly I haven't even booted it up in ages. I have the opinion but not the memories to back it up. I quit on a level that was a giant elevator.
>>337981882
Going to go with gears. Has my all time favorite designs, and its not overdesigned like Xenoblade was. Xenosaga wasn't bad either, but nothing really stood out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n_UZnJIEYc
>you will never have Xenogears figures;_;
>>337981882
Xenoblade Chronicles is the best in that field. Too bad the Wii is too shit to handle all the detail on the facia.
>>337981882
Here we go, gearsfags are going to prove they have shit taste and everything is based on nostalgia.
>>337981814
It's really not bad of a game so you should probably ice the complex. X isn't perfect; neither is Gears but that's no reason to call either an "festering pile of shit".
>>337981994
What? Everybody I know says 5 is easily the best installment in the series. The only reason we didn't get it was because the plot required knowledge of the entire series and we never got 1 or 2 (at least we didn't have 1 at that point I don't believe)
>>337982053
>Wing
No wonder they look like shitty Gundam rejects.
X has complex transformations that actually mechanically make sense and easily has the best looking mechs in the franchise by a long shot, which makes sense because it's the first time they hired a competent mechanical designer to work on them.
>>337982329
I personally think Xenoblade's mechs are over designed. Thats just my personal opinion. I don't have much knowledge of Xenosaga so I can't comment there.
And I like Xenoblade X's mech designs a lot, I just like xenogears designs better
>>337982130
I looked around about it and the modifier for her damage formula changes when she becomes an adult. Its pretty much equivalent to an omni gear for her.
>>337982329
you can easily cheat on that poll by using Tor Browser or a proxy.
>>337982312
>>337982341I miss the days where anons would actually talk about Xenogears in the occasional Xenogears thread that appears here. You have plenty of other threads to talk about your story-less and character-less MMO trash.
We need more characters like Fiora Mechon in the next Xeno game.
>>337982529
Huh, thats interesting to know.
I guess thats good since she doesn't actually get an omnigear.
>>337982572
I just wanna know why can't we all get along? We don't have to fight over which installment is best. Why not just get along in peace and say all of them have pros and cons?
>>337982329
I'm only just past bionis leg, I haven't played chronicle and I disliked the mech design in saga so gears wins by default.
>>337982312
Is that a custom?
It looks amazing.
>>337982707
Because my favorite is perfect and your taste is shit.
Kill yourself for disagreeing with me you homo.
>>337982572
>>337982470XCX mechs look like convoluted Josh Nizzi rejects.
>>337982747
Yep, they are all custom.
>>337982916
Reminds me of the ultimate keyblade thing.
>>337982747
I don't ever think I'll get over the literal cockpits
>>337982707
>I just wanna know why can't we all get along?
Because gearsfag can't handle their game is poorly written trash with horrible gameplay and anyone who doesn't worship it is a "shitposter"
>>337982318
>That lame butt that's just an orb.
Lazy and disappointing.
>>337982572
I miss the days of civil game discussions as well, which is why I tried to appeal to your better nature about not being a biased hyperbolic shit-head who cannot understand co-existence of game titles discussions.
X is not a "festering pile of shit" and no amount of stamping your feet lashing out at others without a consenting opinion is going to change that. It is certainly flawed, but so is your favorite.
the combat systems on foot and on mech are nothing special, but cycling between them throughout the game keeps things fresh
the story is the greatest in the industry, this isn't an exaggeration. It's hilarious how people here try to criticize the story without understanding what the fuck is going on.
RIP few dungeons in disc 2 and 2 omnigears
>>337955837
xenogears's story is complete though, it's just some gameplay that was removed
>>337983113
Who care when you have the pilot
>>337983027
Why not?
It accents Jehuty's shapely hips nicely.
>>337983191
>cycling between them throughout the game keeps things fresh
Yeah I loved how seamless it was, especially late game when you are in underground places.
>>337960159
what? Takahashi was the director and the main writer, he's the head of monolith
>>337983076
See, its that kind of talk that makes it so we can't get along. You are being as much a part of the problem as those shittalking about xenoblade and xenoblade x
>>337983341
>That super obvious camel toe
Why
>>337983325
>not the spd-bod that has two whole inches of visible butt crack
>>337983429
There is no problem. You want to talk about gears and pretend it isn't rubbish? Do it elsewhere.
>>337960159
>Also, the XenoSaga games were suppose to be episodes I-III of the Xenogears story. But that was done so poorly, I think we should just put the series to rest.
Yeah, playing them I could tell that. I generally still think of them as a certain telling of the early episodes of Xenogears.
>>337983191
Technically 3. You never do get to use Elly's outside of the battle minigame
>>337982318
those designs look like shit jesus christ
>>337983587
This is literally a xenogears thread, the OP is about xenogears specifically
You came in here to start talking shit
>>337983119
>I miss the days of civil game discussions as well
Feels bad man
>Overwaifu threads
>TF2 vs overwatch
>Shills
>DS3 LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE THREADS
>Platform wars SONYGGERS/PKEKS HURRRR
>Buzzwords and the misuse of the word cuck in general
Neo /v/ is a sad place.
>>337983517
official art too, also they spend a quarter of this page detailing how her tit clamps work.
>>337983743
P Cucks is filtered to Pkeks now interesting.
>>337983710
OP asked what people thought. Why do retards like you think that only people who like the shit game in question are allowed to answer?
>>337983710
Just try to ignore them anon, sadly, they are now a staple of Xenogears threads on /v/, especially daytime Xenogears threads...
>>337984014
>droppedplotlines.jpg
>>337983954
There was also one with braces I can't find right now
Also, for the longest fucking time, I thought that tassel was his nose. It bugged the fuck out of me, partially because I knew that couldn't be right, but I couldn't see what it was supposed to be with my kid brain
>>337984145
Rico is gay and his love interest died
What other plotlines do we need?
>>337984158
This is what I always thought it helmet looked like because of the lower rez character portraits in game. Glad to see it does not look like he actually has teeth.
>>337984245
Yessss
>>337981882
>People actually voted saga
Why? Every single AGWS looks like shit.
>>337983610
Shit taste
>>337984248
Man fighting Hammer mad me sad...
>>337984245
It's not about killing god.
It's about showing everyone on ignas that I did.
>>337983886
That kind of behavior just invites it though. Same with universal statements about other games being trash. If you want to art dump, just do it quietly.
>>337984356
Same reason retards vote for gears. Nostalgia, because those things look like reject toys no kid would buy
>>337984459
I'm really surprised Xenogears grabbed a T rating. It was pretty bloody
>>337984363
looks like a fucking GIRL
Why do people make the same threads every single day here?
>>337984548
Anon, the 90s were a different time...
>>337984582
Maybe because you are supposed to think they are alive before the story reveals otherwise retard.
>>337984548
>>337984459
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJSj1UY_elM
>>337984642
It had to get rerated by the ESRB before going up on PSN I believe yet still retained a T rating
>>337984635
Can't let go, and tread old favorites.
>>337984642
Wait, isn't that Maria's bed?
>>337984682
>designs are shit because of STORY
nice excuse
>>337984459
>tfw opening doors that where emergency sealed 43,856,191 hours ago
>>337984459
>Freud's cigar
>>337984642
Fun fact Elly's gear means virgin and after that scene she never gets in it again.
>>337984762
They are in the room downstairs from the dining room I believe. Thats where they were when they made out
I'm thinkning about making a xenogears anime and I was curious; would you guys watchi it?
>>337984908
That's a cute touch. I love when games are cheeky like this.
>>337984248
What? Rico wasn't gay
Was he?
>>337984710
B-But, what's it made of!!!????
>>337984762
I might be mistaken, but I think this is one of the downstairs rooms. Lol, what if it was Maria's bed though.
>>337984823
That fucking feel...
>>337984868
Heh, you liked that part?
>>337984908
Holy shit, I knew it didn't but I didn't realize that symbolism. Damn, I'm always learning something about this game.
>>337984946
are you any good?
Xenoblade Chronicles could work as an anime just fine.
>>337984582
Tried to play the game to know why by learning about mechons.
>>337985035
I knew it meant that** but I didn't realize that symbolism
Always loved it's design.
>>337985035
>>337984710
Apparently the twist was less obvious to Japanese players because Soylent Green isn't really a cultural thing there, and it was still called the Soylent System there.
But yeah, if you know Soylent Green, the twist can be seen a mile away
>>337984946
No for a multitude of reasons paramount being it would be likely a terrible adaption.
>>337985147
Well yeah, it was written as a generic shonen story.
>>337985128
im pretty good ive never made an anime before though
![4-SLUS_006.69_30072007_220059_0843[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OhhSnyN.jpg "4-SLUS 006.69 30072007 220059 0843[1]")
>>337985014
He was pretty gay, yeah
>>337985175
but what if i just cut out the story and all the bullshit and just made robots fighting because lets be honest that all anyone actually cares abouts
>>337985423
Then you are missing half of why people like xenogears.
Might as well just do xenoblade
Not saying that some of the xenogears story couldn't be cut down, it did get longwinded at times, but cutting it too much would be bad
>>337985423
let's be honest you're not making an anime you're just being a memer. now kill yourself
>>337985489
>Rico looks prettyboy-ish
>Hammer without glasses
>No explosive collars
Dammit, its not bad otherwise
>>337984710
>>337985035
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zAFA-hamZ0
>>337954289
A very good game. Loved it when I first played it sometime around 1999.
>>337985415
you're trying too hard
>>337984548
You would be amazed what shit can be gotten away with if it's not explicitly shown. ESRB logic tends to over value the imagery itself, but omission of details often makes the viewers mind perceive things so much worse.
>>337984908
I just hate that the scene where Elly meets her Omnigear in Shevat and spazzes out against it was cut - and then the scene was then referenced anyways. It was entirely translated, too (the scene was about 15 minutes long and can still be found in the debug mode).
xenogears is shit
reincarnation bullshit is shit
fei being schizo is shit
>Citan gets his sword
>>337985637
I wonder if they raised Emeralda after the game ends
>>337985676
But even what WAS shown was a lot. The whole "Elly exploding those soldiers" scene, Fei's friend getting shot up at the beginning, all the blood in combat, etc etc
>>337985726
>fei being schizo is shit
Fuck you, that was great
>>337985616
Anon this image is supposed to take place when they are younger.
>>337985631
G'noooh my gawd...
>>337969463
Not that anon, but it is. Xenogears floors Suikoden 1 and 2.
Not that they're overly bad, but they're only marginally above average.
>>337985423
Nigga there are plenty of mech games with good games with little to no stories. Make your """"""animu"""""" about something else.
>>337985605
Please dude ofcourse im making anime. don't we all just come on /v/ and make animes on our free time? especially on an anonymous english image board.
>>337985515
Well shit. Maybe I could just remake evanelions story and call it xenogears. except cut all the evangelion story out and just have robots fighting
>>337985805
I can't believe I totally forgot about the implied pedophilia
>>337985796
>I wonder if they raised Emeralda after the game ends
Not if you had her mature.
>>337985676
>>337985796
Xenogears is like an 80 hour game. Does the ESRB really have a person who plays through all these things? I honestly have no clue how they know things about games.
>>337985831
Huh, that makes sense I guess then
>>337959156
Story
Xenogears > Xenosaga > Xenoblade Chronicles > Xenoblade X
Gameplay
Xenoblade X > Xenoblade Chronicles > Xenogears > Xenosaga
OST
Xenoblade X > Xenogears > Xenoblade Chronicles > Xenosaga
Mecha Design
Xenoblade X > Xenogears > Xenosaga > Xenoblade Chronicles
Overall
Xenoblade X > Xenogears > Xenoblade Chronicles > Xenosaga
>>337985903
>>337985423
you're Diego Cabrera?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doTOirGnbsA
>>337985992
A:Shes shown as an adult in the ending cinematic
B:I don't remember did she grown up mentally too or just physically?
Also, a lot of the worst stuff gore wise happened within the first like 5 hours of the game.
>>337984682
Oh please, anyone who didn't immediately know that those things were being piloted just weren't paying attention.
Metal/Black Face's voice was instantly recognizable. Xord being the name of Désirée's missing/presumed dead father after the Battle of Sword Valley - a dude who was a blacksmith who wielded a hammer that one of the female Defence Force Soldiers states looked like his.
And that's early game.
>Man this Citan guy sure is good
>Oh man he got a robot it's pretty fucking great too
>Oh his extended combos are so god damn strong
>HOLY FUCK THEY GAVE HIM A SWORD WHY
>JESUS CHRIST HE'S ONE SHOTTING EVERYTHING
Literally TG Cid
>>337985489
>HE'S FAST
>>337986130
She doesn't have any major spoken lines after she grows up but her adult version talks like an adult in combat.
Reminder, to please ignore the shit posters...
>>337986130
Hmm, I don't know then, other then.
>>337986058
sounds about right
>>337985672
Is that Fiora, Shulk, or Sora?
>>337986130
She is still a child mentally I'm pretty sure.
>>337986058
>OST
>Xenoblade X
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfk-dQceR3Y
>>337985759
>>337986237
How can other party members even compete?
>That calming and meditative tone that lends itself towards self-realization
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDM4ZeBE4-4
>>337986237
Citan with his sword was so fucking based he was already one of my favorite characters in the game and this just gave you 0 reason to ever remove him from your party.
Anyone here listen to Cried or the newer arranged album, Myth? They are fucking brilliant.
Also Yasunori Mistuda is fucking brilliant.
https://youtu.be/x33FVzA71EI?list=PLB060372D5D8BA96C
>>337986237
Citan is a fucking boss.
>>337986412
Anon, please don't respond to trolls....
>>337986058
>OST
>Xenoblade X
>Mecha Design
>Xenoblade X
>Chronicles last
>Overall
>Xenoblade X
>mfw
>>337986412
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IX0ZoehfUQ
Grab that spider web and put it in your pocket. Don't ask why, faggot, just do it. You'll need it later, trust me.
>>337985992
ESRB usually ask game devs to provide all evidence of "objectionable" material. Do you remember when Smash 4 was leak that showed characters like Duck Hunt? There was a bunch of other screenshots like Palenta's bust taken. This is because the leak was provided by a the guy taking screenshots to give to the ESRB for rating.
This is why you get oversights and things like Heart of Darkness pass with E. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYyZfME5XYY
>>337985974
Implied nothing, Billy basically says he nearly sold his body as a kid
Fucking Takahashi, why did you have to go massively over budget with your stupid project. Square had to have launched your god damn game right before its flagship.
Should have timed it different, we could have had a Xenogears full series if Squaresoft and Takahashi both didn't fuck things up so gloriously.
>>337986476
The myth version of >>337986434 is amazing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpI6aGKuTyc
>>337986449
I used Citan so much that he was literally the only party member I had besides fei who got his elemental death blows.
And he was the only one to get all of them.
Shame theres no reason to learn them after you've beaten the Elements since they are on foot only
>>337986095
shhhhhhhhhh
I just wanted to test the water and see how people react because project is more work then i expected.
but /v/ is just ungreatful and would make fun of me and laugh. i just want to make cool things but I just get called aspergers whenever I discuss
>>337986590
>Fucking Takahashi, why did you have to go massively over budget with your stupid project.
FF8 took the budget
>>337986058
This is almost perfect, I'd put XB1 over gears for ost but otherwise perfect
Retards calling XCX's ost shit by posting 10 minutes of shitty music from an otherwise phenominal 4.5 hours of music need to be gassed
>>337986671
Well shit, if you are actually working on something, i hope it goes well. I just assumed you were goofing around (Not that I actually replied to you)
>>337986417
They really needed to balance this game better.
Citan is in a league of his own. Not only does he have the highest base speed stat which makes him attack nearly twice as often as everyone else once he gets his sword he's also the hardest hitting character. Not to mention he's got growth rates on par with Emeralda making sure he's your best character for pretty much the whole game.
Meanwhile you've got character who are almost entirely worthless like Maria, Rico, and Chu Chu, especially once they start handing out Omnigears so Maria and Chu Chu become even more irrelevant.
>>337986530
So that's how it happens!
>>337986476
>newer arranged album, Myth
Oh fuck anyone has the link for this ?
Mitsuda is the only vidya composer whose music can actually make me cry. Fucking beautiful
https://youtu.be/8bBItHjFEIs?list=PLB060372D5D8BA96C
>>337986530
Oh interesting, so it's an honor system they place on the devs? Hmmm, seems awfully easy to just not report all the "objectionable" content.
>>337986661
>Playing game for the first time
>Enjoy having OP non-mecha characters
>Spend all of my end-game money on Joe? in that underground city buffing up my character's raw stats
>Fail to realize end-game all takes place in Mecha, really struggle with final boss
god damn
Anyone else here remember getting the Slayer Robe off Alpha Weltall?
Shit would have been hard as fuck to get without a guide. You had to win against hammer for the trader card then beat a boss that appeared to be an unwinnable battle while equipping the trader card. Best piece of gear in the game sucks it was useless because foot combat was almost non existent on disk 2.
>>337986759
That's already been disproven in interviews. Square gave him a budget and he went way beyond. Square was also pushing for the release though since FF8 was dropping at the same time anyway.
Both parties were retarded, fans are the only ones who suffer.
>>337986518
There are far more bad tracks in X than good ones.
If you're going to play this game you're going to lose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpVFML2cQeQ
>want to replay xenogears
>remember how long it is
>>337986621
The whole album is nothing short of brilliant. This song makes me cry.
https://youtu.be/Qque3Y71JP0?list=PLB060372D5D8BA96C
>>337986816
The whole thing is on YouTube.
>>337986786
Maria did get shafted
Chuchu is TECHNICALLY saved by two things
One: she can heal other gears. A skill unique to her
Two: she technically has limitless potential since Drive items affect her "gear" performance.
But neither of those reasons fucking matter since I would never willingly use Chuchu
Also, its kinda funny how theres a whole arc about how drive is bad and Elly needs to stop using it.
Then later on its a permanent stat boost item you can buy
>>337986786
>Get ChuChu as a party member
>Promptly never use ChuChu again
kek
>>337986979
But anon, it's a solid 80 hours of enjoyment. I recommend playing it on a PSP or a Vita so you can pick it up and drop it with ease anytime any place.
Pic related, muh handhelds.
>>337986786
The only thing chu chu has going for her is the fact her big form during gear battles is affected by her base stats unlike gears. So you could give her tons of stat drives and easily surpass any gear in raw stats.
>>337986505
I like my giant robots to look like robots.
>>337986962
You seem to have posted one of the good tracks by mistake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDbh3lLi1ZY
>>337986889
You've already fought the elements by the time you even fight Alpha Weltall right? So theres literally zero use for that robe.
>>337986317
It's clearly Fiora with Wii shit quality image with Beyong the sky playing in the background: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnWf3XyCSiw
>>337986926
It's more because he gave up halfway through, although I'm sure he went over budget as well.
>>337986786
Yeah, that's a shame. Rico is fine as a character but there was no reason to take him because of his speed. Not like I ever wanted Maria or Chu in my party though.
>>337987274
>Gave up half way through
Because he ran out of budget
Its not like he just said "Welp, I'm bored of this, ship it out"
>tfw you spend hours in the stupid battle arena fighting friends
You could play two players, it was so awful but when you're both fans it's so good.
>>337987341
I actually liked using Maria on foot. Being able to have her gear stomp on enemies inside tiny corridors was funny
>>337986857
Games with physical releases can face legal action from store owners, be banned or be re-rated to infinitely smaller demographics, or in case of A-rated be dropped entirely by store. There are definitely repercussions and to have them happen during crucial business times such as launch weeks could mean the death of your entire company or a particular division.
Oversights are naturally bound to happen in this system but to intentionally omit content submitted is really asking for trouble.
>>337986786
Seibzehn is cool as fuck though, but I agree Maria isn't that great.\
I liked that Billy too.
>>337987371
I'm always a little sad when you lose Weltall 2. I mean I suppose overall Xenogears is better, but I liked having infinity mode available whenever instead of whenever you manage to trigger it
sleep tight hammers
After the arranged album for Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross came out last year, I tweeted this photo to Mitsuda, and he responded "Thank you. very nice phot :)"
I literally squealed that one of my idols "talked" to me.
Also
>this fucking song
https://youtu.be/xuxnKbNC5yQ?list=PL676B3C937A5172DD
Man, I love how slow it starts and that build, unf!
>>337987542
Weltall 2 looks better than Xenogears.
>>337987205
>anytime any place
>>337986857
>>337987451
For an example of a shitstorm that happened when the devs don't be up front about their content, look at what happened to Elder Scrolls Oblivion.
The content they sent the ESRB covered up the fact that the game was pretty violent and bloody. Rotting zombies, bags of gore, lots of blood, etc.
If not for the ESRB forcing them to have it resubmitted because the boob texture found in the game (that was brought out with mods), it would have remained a T rated game. But upon looking at it again, it got the M rated it honestly did deserve
Masterpiece disc 1, rushed disappointment disc 2.
The worst part of disc 2 was seeing all the potential it had.
>Go through whole game with Citan, Fei and Bart
I always wanted to try Billy though, I never did. Is he even any good?
>>337987448
I just never liked this japanese "we've got this overpowered mech but only cute little girls can use it for some reason"-meme.
>>337987654
Weltall ID is the best.
>>337987553
RIP in pieces Hammer you gaylord you
>>337987753
And all the Talking Head segments. Don't forget those
>>337987772
I liked Billy. Hes the best support character in the game for sure, hes pretty great to have on any on foot team
>>337987205
God to fuck I love playing games on my vita.
https://youtu.be/C6bYoYBW4gk?list=PLCB5EC0C5E1947BF4
>>337987451
That makes sense.
>>337987713
Interesting.
>>337987205
>it's a solid 80 hours of enjoyment.
took me 20 hours.
>>337987772
billy is almost as broke as citan. Giving him a etherdoubler makes his square attack (magic shotgun) and his special move in his gear do double damage without no weakness since neither use ether
>>337987802
Better than the "Cute little girls in super skimpy outfits, but its okay because they are really over 100 years old" thing
I thought this nigga had a robot booger or something hanging off his nose my entire time playing through.
Wasn't till years later when I saw an upres shot of him I realized it was a tassle on his head.
>>337987913
Bull fucking shit.
You did not beat Xenogears in under 20 hours, especially not on your first try.
>>337987979
Yeah, me too. It bugged the hell out of me because I was pretty sure that wasn't what it was supposed to be, but I couldn't wrap my brain around it
>>337987813
That's not OR Weltall
>hear shit about XCX's OST
>just got done listening to disc 1
>it's some of the best vidya music i've heard in my life
what's the problem? Is it the anti-Sawano meme from /a/?
>>337988024
Like it's obvious from the other side of his head in the image, but he's never really given a clear image so it just annoyed me to no end.
>>337987345
Wrong. He said in an Iwata Asks interview that he tends to give up halfway through his projects regardless of the circumstances.
>>337988024
Yeah this anon is right. 3rd place for speed runs of this game are a little over 20 hours.
https://youtu.be/YREOhjsSvOs?list=PLCB5EC0C5E1947BF4
>>337987837
Me too anon, it's my prefered method to play JRPGs now. It's been years since I played one on on TV, and fuck playing them on my PC I get shoulder and neck cramps after like an hour.
>tfw playing Xenogears on the BART
>tfw playing Xenogears in bed on Saturday morning
>tfw playing Xenogears on a plane
Feels good anon.
>>337988024
Yeah that anon is full of shit.
>>337987713
Another example though less on-point would be GTA: San Andreas and it's infamous "hot coffee" mod which re-enabled an unused mini-game where you actually fucked the various women of the game. Naturally sparked national attention, got the game rerated to AO and was banned basically from every store chain in the country.
>>337987913
lol the speedrun for the NA version is almost 19 hours, so I highly doubt you did senpai
>>337988224
Well, only copies that had the data for the minigame still on them got AO
The new copies that were sent out without the data retained an M rating
>>337988125
pretty much
>>337954289
It was Fedorable!
>>337988125
Yes. That and "I like everything but country and rap" retards.
>>337988125
Pretty much yeah.
>>337987927
True. Still nothing is worse than Chu Chu.
>>337988337
there are literally like 3 songs with rap out of 90+ tracks and no country though
>>337988293
Not really.
Especially since the god you kill isn't actually a god, just a super machine and your gears are all powered by the power of a being thats actually a god at the end.
>>337988183
MEN OF THE SEA
Why is the Myth version of the soundtrack so good. Fucking Mitsuda how did you make such great soundtracks.
https://youtu.be/OJX31RIyXUI
How do you choose a best track when they're all best tracks?
>>337988443
all "mascots" in xeno games need to fuck off, this includes Riki fuck you rikifags having a 1 minute scene with him and dunban does not redeem his shitty character for the other 60 hours
>>337954289
Xenosaga is better
>>337988337
Nothing wrong with that statement except the country part
>>337987837
It's a great handheld with great hardware and a joy to use, shame about the shitty lineup though and the fact it's all but dead in the west.
https://youtu.be/_dKpeTEBYIA?list=PLCB5EC0C5E1947BF4
>>337988235
I don't understand the appeal of a speed run for a story game like Xenogears, other than simply doing it for the record. I love milking the experience each time I play it. I explore every room and talk to everyone, I love getting immersed in the world.
>>337988345Please ignore the shit posters (this includes XCX posters). They only make these threads worse by replying to you.
>>337988621
You are gonna have a hard time selling that opinion.
>>337988443
Chu Chu was clutch to use in boss fights because he could heal your gears.
>>337954289
BTW...CD2 wasnt that bad...
>>337988625
Actually does alright still. Gotten 3 games this year already, which is more than any other system.
>>337988702
it's pretty obv...
http://betweenlifeandgames.com/analyses/history-xenogears-xenosaga-part-1-xenogears/
>We'll never get a completed version of the original Xenogears vision
If I could ask for miracles it'd be a completed original Xenogears or at least a remaster that completed as much of the original as could reasonably be accomplished.
>>337988559
>How do you choose a best track when they're all best tracks?
I just listen to the album start to finish each time. Also, if you haven't heard the latest CT/CC arranged album released last year by him and his band, Millennial Fair, then you owe it to yourself to do so. Fucking brilliant.
https://youtu.be/Qque3Y71JP0?list=PLB060372D5D8BA96C
>>337988971
I'm still holding out for a xenogears remake jointly made by square and monolith, would have to be a nintendo exclusive though
>>337988758
It wasn't very bad, but it was definitely worse than CD1 and extremely easy to tell that they basically cut and pasted together a few intended boss fights and a dungeon or two and called it a day.
It was also the first game that irritated me by having the world map to explore with practically every town inaccessible.
Having said that, the stuff they did include was pretty good. Shame there weren't more Yggdrasil IV fights
>>337989004
Oh shit nice on it now, thanks.
>>337988621
>comes off as more incomplete than Xenogears
>Episode 1 is mainly just exposition and edgelord shenanigans
>Episode 2 in general
>even 3 has a rushed ending
>Takahashi didn't even direct 2 and 3
As much as I liked some of the characters, and Yuki Kajiura, it really doesn't compare.
>>337989105
PS: as long as it's not """"""localized""""""" by NoA and square does it instead
>>337989252
>Takahashi didn't even direct 2 and 3
This is a good thing.
>>337989105
About time for SE to work on a real game for Nintendo. Ever since they left them all they do is Final Fantasy and Final Fantasy spinoffs for everyone.
>>337989267
Fucking NoA... They ruin everything. Actually, it's all gone to shit now.
>>337989210
Fei the cuckold!
>>337984547
>those robotits
And I thought Sharla was jiggly, jesus christ.
>>337989252
Xenogears was just a prototype for Xenosaga
>>337985682
Oh shit, is it on youtube?
>>337989341
well DQ11 is coming to NX so there's that
and yeah it's incredible how shit NoA became in the span of 2 years, /v/ went from sending them a thank you card to (justifiably) hating their guts
>>337988470
I know. Still 90% of the complaints/criticisms directed at the soundtrack are "RAP IS BAD AND I HATE IT"
>>337988337
Anyone who makes that statement is a retard that can probably only name five genres other than rap and country.
>>337988971
But anon, the most important aspect of the game, the story, was finished. Sure, there were some small loose ends with the minor characters and exploration was cut, but the main plot itself is still well executed, and I commend the devs for not simply just cutting the story short and ending the game.
On a related note, I thought they did a satisfying job with the ending on Xenosaga III, albeit that ending could only wrap up the immediate personal stories, and not the larger plot. Lots of mystery there, but considering that they couldn't continue the games further, I think they ended it well.
As a fan of both, I'm satisfied with the work they did (although of course I wish they could have taken them further).
>>337989341
Imagine Xenogears "localized" by NoA.
>>337989604
I can think of no worse fate. It's bad enough that new Monolithsoft games are theirs...
Instead of bitching around, can we organize a petition to Namco for a Xenosaga steam port?
>>337989750
Eww,,,,that graphic XD
>>337989750
Yeah it's bad enough that Xeno games are actually finished now.
>>337989791
But no one actually wants a Xenosaga port anon...
>>337989885
>finished
did you skip Xenoblade X?
>>337989523
And like all good mecha the prototype was better than the production model.
>>337989791
Can you imagine Namco porting a PS2 game, I mean they struggle to port shit as it is now.
>>337985682
Oh shit. I never knew this.
>>337989551
Would like to see this if it is.
>>337989791
Dude, that is actually not a bad idea. How do people start those online petitions anyways?
>>337989965
Please ignore trolls.
>>337967564
he needs to focus on fun and trash that lame korean mmo battle system
and gear's was unfinished and i'd rather pay to go watch the hollywood shit version of it than pay some japs to make otaku vn tier shit that nintendont is going to censor anyways
>>337989887
>thezoharproject
Where do you live?
>>337989973
buuuurnnn
>>337989568
DQ only left Nintendo for a few titles, most of all, if not all, have all been released or rereleased on Nintendo consoles. I'm guessing Sony has a deal on Final Fantasy.
I just want some of those old RPGs back... SNES, PS and N64 eras were so good.
>>337989604
>>337989750
Don't remind me... If only the american and european localizations were done separately, but in most cases if america fucks up, europe is automatically fucked up as well. Though there have been some nice saves from time to time.
>>337990020
On steam, ofc....
Or here...
https://www.change.org/petition
Can you image re-playing the whole saga in japanese with eng sub? Maybe also without censorship
>>337990023
Honestly, I have given up hope for any good future for "Xeno." I have my fond memories of the older games, and I can replay them at anytime. We all know anything new will be an abomination in light of it's former glory, not only because of Nintendo, but also because of the current climate and demographic changes in gaming. We will never have another Xenogears-like game.
>>337990153
I thought that was just some Obama thing.
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