Dafuq where they even thinking when they made this?
>>337943634
They were thinking that OP is a fucking faggot.
>>337943634
damage control in case analog stick was a bad idea
>>337943979
Mature language there..
>>337943634
They weren't
>>337943634
Rip off the the left and right handles and what do you get?
Hold bottom prong for 3D games
Hold left prong for 2D games
>>337944023
>337944023
That's pretty smart actually
>>337944295
/thread
its two ways of holding the controller for two different types of games.
I played mk trilogy, smash and killer instinct with the dpad, all other games with the analogue stick
>>337944295
>>337944508
Or, you can have a controller made for people with two hands so they don't have to switch around.
>>337943634
real talk: why did the joystick get all crusty along the sides of where it rubbed on the controller?
If the n64 had backwards compatability left handle would make for kickass emulation
>>337944717
Grease from your disgusting, unwashed, hands
>>337944640
None of the games on 64 require you to use the d-pad and control stick at the same time
>>337944917
They could have. That way some of them wouldn't have controlled so fucking awkwardly.
>>337944917
But if they made them both accessible from the left handle - which Sony did like six months later - they could have had those games.
It's just a shitty design that showed they didn't want to fully commit to the analog stick.
>>337944917
What about the L button? There is no reason to keep it away from reach like that.
>>337944717
The analog stick was poorly designed internally. The crap that builds up is plastic that's being worn off the moving parts from normal use.
>>337945453
You get the Z button
>>337945584
The Playstation controller had twice as many shoulder buttons. All within easy reach.
>>337945453
It's there for when you're using the D-pad handle. Z is there for the analog handle. This isn't complicated.
Because they wanted to make a quirkier controller, to distinguish. Nintendo have done this since... time.
>>337945748
It's needlessly complicated. Other controllers didn't have three fucking handles.
>>337945686
Okay, 3D games still ran like utter garbage on it
>>337945686
>he thinks the Playstation controller is good
>>337945937
About as same as the N64, but they looked better on the PS.
>>337943634
>nintendrones will actually defend this
>>337945686
No one's saying the N64 controller is good.
We're explaining the thought process on what happened.
The silly "natural thumb position" thing will work in 3D and 2D games
Z is "L" for the analog stick
That's it. Don't be so defensive. I never said any of this is good.
I still dont get why gamecube didn't have a ZL button
>>337946312
Oh, nice. You compared two emulators emulating different hardware. You're very bright.
>>337943634
Does this guy have dicks for bones
>>337945390
Which ps1 game uses both?
>>337946032
>>337945937
N64 frame rates were absolute carbitch. Without a single exception.
Prove me wrong
>>337946573
The PS1 had a better controller and a better library but please don't try to tell anyone that the games looked better
>>337943634
You got used to the controller really fast, it was a really good controller aswell, the only bad part about it was that the analog stick would break/tilt way too fast, luckely, there are cheap/quick replacements.
>>337946959
Star Fox 64
>>337947171
That was a common opinion back then, since N64 was more competent at 3D. But looking back at that era now, N64 doesn't have anything half as beautiful as, say, Legend of Mana.
>>337943634
>implying you use both the analog stick and the d-pad at the same time
This meme doesn't even make sense
>>337947519
But the argument was about 3D gaming. Yes the analog PS1 controller had more thought put into it for 3D, but the PS1 itself was not suited to handle 3D graphics as well as the N64
>>337945390
Retrospect is 100% or whatever, yeah, but keep in mind this is the first controller with an analog stick
>>337946959
>>337947451
F-Zero X, Mischief Makers, Killer Instinct Gold.
>>337947828
No, you don't. You switch between them. Completely changing your grip is absolutely retarded in comparison to just moving your thumb.
>>337948440
I will give you F-Zero, if only because it ran about 5 polygons per machine.
>>337946312
it's funny how people defending n64's graphics always post pics from emulators and never videos shot from the actual hardware
we all knew it was powerful, it doesn't mean most games weren't blurry almost unplayable 15fps messes
>>337943634
Hi anonymous.
It seems you were too young to remember this (or you haven't been born yet), but you were only supposed to hold two of those handles; and most of the times, the one in the left was pretty much useless.
I hope this solved your doubt, and I wish you enjoy your time while you're still here on /v/.
Cheers :)
>>337943634
They weren't sure if thumb sticks would take off the way they eventually did
>>337948693
The other two games are also running at 60fps, if I'm not mistaken. Those are a whopping four exceptions.
Also, Pokemon Puzzle League and Super Smash Bros(unless you're playing four players).
>>337948721
Please, those "unplayable" games set the industry standard for how 3D games should look and play
>>337944828
But papa always washes his hands!
>>337948617
>You switch between them
Give me a game where you actually do this
>having to use the analog stick for menu navigation because the devs didn't even bother mapping the d-pad to it because changing your grip is such a hassle that no one will ever do it
>>337947828
I swear this meme started on 9gag or reddit as an ironic thing, and 16 year olds ended up believing it as truth.
>>337944234
A dill doh.
>>337949252
See >>337949263
Literally every game that uses a menu in some way.
>>337949093
doensn't change the fact that banjo, goldeneye and most of those defining games ran awfully on the machine
and if you say otherwise you probably haven't seen an actual n64 play those games on a crt screen in a long time
>>337949407
That anon said that no one ever bothered to make the d-pad functional because it was a hassle.
You would have been able to understand it if you had a slight grasp of reading comprehension, or if you ever played a N64 game.
>>337949252Pokemon Stadium did it because the code was the same as the GB's d-pad, but I can't think of anything else.
>>337943634
>not just holding it on both sides and using your right thumb for the stick
>>337944917
What kind of bullshit circular logic is that?
Of course such games didn't exist because they weren't able to design them like that. If the controller had allowed the user to freely change between d-pad and analog stick anytime we'd have gotten games that make use of it.
>ITT:
>kids mesmerized by technological evolution
>>337949580
Are you implying that the jittery, pixelated 3D games with laughable draw distance and equally poor framerates were better?
>>337943634
It was basically two different controller designs in one. There was a set-up for the analog stick but also a "standard" design with a d-pad and 6 face buttons just like the Sega Saturn.
>>337950858
>>337950339
that's a big head
>>337951731
Thanks man, came close to killing myself over this.
>>337949263
>>337949407
>Hasn't listed any actual examples
>>337943634
Hand someone that controller and you can easily weed out the underageb&.
Where's a keyboard and mouse with multiple hands covering all the keys?
>>337945686
n64 also has two more face buttons than ps controller
>>337943634
I dont know, but that controller plus Mario Party gave me and my friends Jesus hands.
>>337945340
there were no games on the ps1 that had you switching between d-pad and analogue stick.
Hell, even ps2 didnt have many games that asked you to do that. There was a period of time where the d-pad was largely ignored by developers unless it was a 2-d game.
You kids are retarded.
>>337945904
but it doesnt affect anything. Its not complicated what are you on about?
>>337944295
>>337944508
In both cases you have fewer buttons you can easily press without re-positioning hand, when compared to standard controller design.
Playstation/Xbox design has all the advantages you get from both hand positions, without ever having to change the position of your hands.
So it's complete garbage, even if this was their intent.
>>337954758
3D was a brand new concept at the time. I don't see why people are so hung up on one of the first attempts at a controller designed for 3D games
>>337954758
>something made on the future improved on something made in the past
Bravo anon, you just figured out how technology evolves.
Have this, you deserve it.
>games that forced you to change grip because it needed more buttons
>>337943634
>not using dick for middle controler
Face Palm
>>337955171
>>337955259
There are people that insist its a great controller even today.
>>337954758
>In both cases you have fewer buttons you can easily press without re-positioning hand
No? Why just say things when they aren't true? I'll never understand this.
N64 (While holding middle and right prong):
A
B
Z
4 C buttons
R
8 Buttons
N64 (While holding Left and Right prongs):
L
R
A
B
4 C buttons
8 Buttons
PS1 Controller:
L1
L2
R1
R2
X
Square
Triangle
Circle
8 buttons.
Either way you hold either controller you have access to 8 buttons and one input device either stick or D-Pad. Its just easier to switch on ps1, which is irrelevant because games during that generation weren't designed to utilized switching. Hell, the first ps1 controller didnt even have an analogue stick.
They were thinking of capturing the female gaming market. Isn't it obvious?
>>337955171
its because people defend it as a good controller when its not, its not the worst ever and god bless them for trying but its bad
>>337955538
>get BTFO
>"hur durr, ur retarded"
You sure showed me, anon.
>>337955542
>>337954758
To add on to this the xbox 360 and ps3 controller( I assume you'd consider those "Standard") are the same thing.
Access to 8 buttons and an input method without changing position
>he didn't buy the redesign
They fixed it later you know.
>>337956809
i have never seen that before
>>337957639
Me neither. Interdasting
>>337943634
You're right, the analogue was a terrible idea and was never used by every dev thereafter.
>>337957639
>>337957772
Damn shame they're so expensive these days. You should have bought them before they shot up in price.
no idea m8
analog fucking sucks
>>337944740
>No X or Y button
>>337958147
dpad/keyboard is terrible for 3d movement, where it's more important to have a variable move speed/turnspeed than it is to have an instant response.
>>337958228
So map them to the left-c and down-c buttons. It could also work for 6 button controllers too.
>>337955285
name them?
>>337943634
They were thinking you wouldn't be a retard and could figure out how to handle the controller.
>>337944074
What?
>>337943634
what i really actually like about the N64 controller is that it's built partially to adapt to fighting game SF-esque controls with the way the A and B and C buttons are positioned.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdryTu5cSY0
>>337958147
>analog sticks suck for movement
nice meme
>>337958147
kb+m masterrace here.
This is a horrible argument.
>>337960409
>one guy does something once with an emulator
>probably frame by frame even
>this means analog sticks aren't poop
>>337960409
>that speedrunner (if it isn't TAS) probably spent many years practicing on that and that does not mean the controller is any good
>>337960598
>>337960794
that's in real time with an n64 controller on an n64 console. you can clearly fucking see that it's the n64 version. stop spewing bullshit you know nothing about.
>>337960863
>you know nothing about
boy you are heated about a video game
mario 64 even, the game you had if you owned n64
i think i'm pretty qualified to know what i'm talking about
>>337960863
>>that speedrunner (if it isn't TAS) probably spent many years practicing on that and that does not mean the controller is any good
>I actually assumed it was on an actual console but feel free to keep throwing tantrums over some strawman you've projected onto me
>>337960598
let's see you do that with a d-pad lmao
>>337961334
keyboard > d-pad > analog
>>337961164
>that does not mean the controller is any good
sm64 speedrunners have the option to use hori mini pads or gamecube controllers (there are even very accurate gcn to n64 adapters now.) the vast majority choose to use OEM n64 controllers because the joystick is more precise than any of the aforementioned options.
i wanna play goldeneye on a nintendo64 emulator but is there a fix for the dogshit controls?
>Something doesn't feel right
>Then use the D-Pad
>>337961509
Retard
>>337961693
>or gamecube controllers
well that's a relief because the gamecube controller is the physical form of Christ
>>337943634
It's retarded.
No question.
I still don't understand Nintendo's controller design.
I'm sure whoever had the final say hated video games.
>>337962014
Not really. Shitty second stick and ass dimple dpad.
>he dosen't have a stand to control the joysrick
>>337962014
>gamecube controller
>good
lol
>>337958147
With keyboard you get instant movement, but no control over speed.
>>337962159
i'll take it but the primary stick and the primary buttons and the triggers are just so goddamn good
>>337955285
You know that your thumb is can move in angles?
>>337962447
I don't recall any games making use of that features extensively
All I can think of is dark souls recently but even then a walk toggle on the keyboard works just as fine
>>337962676
>I don't recall any games making use of that features extensively
Literally every decent racing game ever made.
>>337943634
WTF the guy in the image has three hands how did this happen
>>337954758
And the Playstation/Xbox designs wouldn't exist without the N64 controller.
>>337961842
I remember doing this sometimes, I think it was when my hands were sweaty and I wanted TOTAL GRIP on the stick.
>>337963209
The N64 controller wouldn't exist without the Atari 2600 controller.
>>337963089
i just notice this myself???
>>337961842
>tfw your ex gf used to give your micro penis a handjob like this and this picture arouses the shit out of you
Nintendo doesn't understand the average consumer, making bad business practices that anyone else would immediately recognize as being dumb as shit, like naming the Wii U after the Wii, or using a tablet controller. But if you go back to the n64 era you'll notice something strange. A controller seemingly requiring three hands to use. All of these facts point to one simple conclusion. Nintendo is run by aliens.
Name a game that used both the D-Pad and Analog stick in the same game.
>>337961842
There's nothing wrong with this position, your right middle finger can still reach the Z button
>>337947828
I just realized that since they got rid of megamans blink in smash 4, this image isn't possible anymore to get in game
>>337960409
now try doing that with no A presses faglord
>>337964945
WWF No Mercy
Duke Nukem 64
F-1 Pole Position 64
Only games.
>>337943634
>2D games with dpad
>use both handles left and right but not the middle one
>3D games = middle handle and right handle
>hrurrrr im OPee wow wut culd dey b thinkgin?
well guess.
