How is the PS 4.5 supposed to do 4k gaming when the strongest GPU ever needs to be overclocked to pass 60 FPS on well-optimized current games?
>>337920598
damn that's actually kinda big difference with OC, 10 fps @4k is a lot
Upscaling according to the leaked papers
>>337920598
It won't. It will upscale games from 1080p (or possibly worse)
>>337920598
>when the strongest GPU ever needs to be overclocked to pass 60 FPS on well-optimized current games
It's simple anon.
>30fps with dips to 24.
>Cinematic corridors that you can barely control the camera.
>1440p Upscaled to 4k.
How is the PS4 original even supposed to do VR?
>>337921026
It won't
>>337920598
How much better would it be with AA off since with a high enough DPI you don't need it.
>>337920598
At 20 FPS
will a gtx 1080 handle 1440p better than a 970 handlea 1080p? thinking about selling my 970 this summer and gettinf a 1080, and then buying a 1440p 144hz monitor to put beside my 1080p 144.
>>337920598
uh what's stopping them from overclocking the ps4.5 even more
Easy answer -- it won't.
Remember when the ps4 was supposed to do 1080p 60fps? Remember when they literally said that the majority of games would match this requirement?
I saw people the other day starchy defending that still, and claiming that Sony never said that. I'm a fucking Sony fanboy but come on guys.
>>337921246
From the benchmarks we have right now it looks like the 1080 will run everything at 1440p without issues.
Also I'm in the same place as you, but I'm considering to sell the 970 now and go with the internal GPU for a while.
>>337921349
i remember when my friend paraded this shit around when they said it at announcement, and now that all its games run at 20-30, he now pulls that whole "oh 60 fps looks worse anyway, it doesnt look natural" shit. i dont even know what that means.
>>337921026
PSVR has a separate external processor that requires it's own power supply.
>>337921675
Sounds cool, if it's included within the 400 bucks that is.
>>337921675
is the ps4 going to be the new sega genesis?
>>337921827
It's included with the VR. I don't know the prices or how much it costs to get the mandatory PS move set, but every VR set will come with the processor
They'll look like shit. They'll be visually similar to portal 2/L4D
Anybody expecting VR at the same graphical fidelity as uncharted or infamous are going to be disappointed. They'll sacrifice visuals for performance.
What's so special about 4K anyway?
>>337921303
Because if OP's pic is the performance of a recent AAA game, this time next year the PS4.5 will be obsolete. Not to mention overclocking has some serious issues for the lifetime of the console, which doesn't bode well.
>>337921531
>Not having a utility cards
I shiggy diggy
Pic related, though its gonna get replaced with my 660ti once I buy a new card over the summer.
>>337922265
>Implying they wont try for both and get neither
>>337922478
>mfw i sold my 660ti when I got my 970
i miss that thing. it was beastly when I first got it and it lasted me years.
>>337920598
PS4K uses custom parts and developers can code to the metal without having to worry about OS overhead.
>>337922547
No, either they aim for graphics and everyone complains that it runs like shit, or they make it run great and people will shit on it because it looks worse than PC VR. I don't see how they can win.
>>337922446
more clarity. currently it only supports up to 60hz though. id rather have 1440p@144z instead of 4k@60hz personally.
>>337922720
>implying OS is a significant drawback
They said the same thing when the PS4 was first released, that it would outperform a PC of the same specs for that reason. And unsurprisingly, it didn't.
>>337922704
I'm actually thinking of buying a few new fancy parts when I buy a new GPU and building a cheap computer for lan parties with the 660ti and a skymeme i3 or something.
It won't.
4K will largely be a marketing gimmick and will only be used to play 4K video.
It's gonna use Polaris, which has better async compute and will perform better than Nvidias latest offerings.
Also they never promised 4k/60, expect 4k/30 or 1080/60
>>337922770
I was going to say nobody seemed to give a shit about GTAV's performance on PS3 but I forgot how much more important framerate is for VR. I concede
>>337920598
How is the 1080 supposed to perform well on DX12 without async compute? Is Nvidia trying to force developers to not bother including support for this feature due to their larger market share and reluctance to include it?
>>337921179
Even at 1080 I never used AA, I barely notice jaggies unless I want to see them.
>>337920598
Is not going to output native 4K for games you fucking retard. Is going to be 4K to stream Netflix or other services.
4K gaming isn't going to be possible on a console level (at typical console prices) for at least another 4-5 years when the PS5/Xbone 2 are released and in the case of NIntendo somewhere down the line of 10 to 15 years.
>>337920598
>Max quality
A midrange card like a 970 or 390 are perfectly capable of playing 4k if you use medium settings, which consoles do anyway.
I tried running Star Wars Battlefront 2560x1440 with 200% resolution scale on a 390. Effectively that's 5K or 80% more pixels than 4k and it was perfectly playable on low settings.
>>337920598
At 10 fps of course
>>337923103
>Nvidia
More likely they are going to push for their own solution and make it impossible for other companies to use them and push that solution as standard because of their market share.
Fuck Nvidia.
>>337920598
because it's not going to actually run the games in 4k, retard. it's going to upscale from the current 720/1080p they're running in. the 4k is only going to be actually used for movies
>>337921975
>Nintendo is going the SEGA route with the NX
>Sony is going the SEGA route with PSVR and 4.5
>Microsoft is going the SEGA route by being in last
It is pretty clear who the true winner of the console wars is.
Wonder if 1080 will handle games at 3440x1440 60fps consistently. Ultra or at least mix maxed of course, otherwise whats the fucking point
>>337923062
>expect 4k/30 or 1080/60
Just based on this I know that you're an idiot who doesn't know shit and just repeats random things he heard online. Think hard and you might be able to figure what's so dumb about this.
>Console
>60fps
Found your solution.
>>337923605
MUH CONSOLES CAN NEVER DO 4K PEECEE MASTER RACE AHHHH I CANT HEAR YOU MAASSSTERRR RACCCCEEEE LALALALAA
>>337920598
>well-optimized
Since when?
>>337921246
On top of the other anon's benchmark statement, I have a 980ti and that can max all games at 1440p 144hz so I think the 1080 totally could as well
>>337923605
I thought he was just meme posting
>>337920784
>(or possibly worse)
whats worse than upslcaling?
>>337923825
>all games 1440p 144hz
there's games you couldn't max 1440p 30fps desu
>>337920598
>well-optimized
>>337923913
I think he means upscaling from lower resolutions that 1080p.
>>337923776
Wait for PS6 for 4k
t. Console only user
Fucking retard.
>>337923913
ah that makes sense
>>337923914
I'm actually curious as to which games those might be. Either way, I should have said most games because I feel like you're gonna say GTAV or something similar.
>>337924090
Yeah most games would be correct. ARMA2/3 will never be able to get max draw distance with a single GPU, not for another generation I bet, shit not even at 1080p.
But yeah its just nitpicking, carry on
>>337921349
Source
>>337920598
Because lies.
>>337921675
The PSVR box doesn't process shit. It just displays to the TV and interpolates frames
>>337920598
PS4.5 is always a just a rumor that all the gaming journalists shilled for clickbait. It was NEVER confirmed ever.
>>337921675
>>337921827
>>337921026
PS VR box isn't a processor. It's a glorified projector. So expect to see graphically the worst looking games on PSVR.
>>337925102
Ever heard of a thing called E3?
>>337920598
>he don't know yet
dude, ps4.5 is a cashgrab, all they are gonna do is "upscale" (yes, just maximize the game window; stretch it) games form 900p/1080p to 2160p, so it looks even uglier than before
>>337923421
>Microsoft in last
>When they've sold far more console than the Wii U has despite Nintendo having a year head start
>>337920598
watch this and it all becomes clear:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7fA_JC_R5s
>>337926705
I can't understand him. Its like he's not speaking English
>>337926815
long story short: nvidia gameworks is closed source, and gimps previous nvidia series on purpose, and also tries to ruin AMD performance. Game developers have no access to the code to fix performance. So expect Nvidia 900 series to get gimped with Nvidia 1080 release, and so on. Gameworks has purposely built-in unoptimized features to kill performance.
>>337920598
That has to be a joke. My stock 970 makes 40 fps consistently on max settings
>>337928046
not with the new drivers :^) see: >>337926705
>>337928204
Well fuck me, I hope things improve with the Vulcan patch
>>337928292
Vulcan can't do shit against gameworks crippling gpus
PS4K will likely upscale to 4K for vidya, and be able to play UHD video.
>>337930847
>upscale
that's already what a 4K TV does with sub-4K footage. are you retarded? the point of PS4K is to render at 4K
>>337931007
PS4k will upscale through its own hardware and output a 4k signal to the TV, the TV won't be doing any upscaling. There's no way in hell a console can render at 4K for less than $600.
>>337931289
stay in denial mate. I work with real-time renderers all the time.
>>337926558
>what is the 3DS
My xbox is only for GTA and Killer Instinct
>>337920598
Sony didn't said anything about the revision being able to do 4k or make a 30 fps title into a 60 fps game. Nothing is confirmed yet, you're just illiciting for shitpost.
>>337931396
My uncle works at Nintendo as well
Seriously? Overscaling? What a fucking shit man
>Every sonygger buying 4k tvs
>>337920598
>Well-optimized current games
>Doom
Yeh sorry no. When the game is running with a massive framerate difference on two similar card specs then there's massive issues with optimization.
Well optimized means good performance across a spec. Doom has not achieved that, therefore it's poorly optimized.
They seemed to achieve it with the beta and then suddenly benches for the actual game came back different.
Hopefully the new drivers rectify this.
>>337920598
It's not going to. Some indies will hit 4k, the rest will be upscaled. The 4K support is meant for movies.
>>337921349
>PS3 has a few titles that can hit 1080p 60fps
>Okami HD is a natural 4k
>The PS4 struggles with remastered PS3 games
I hate this gen.
>>337920598
The ps4.5 will have actually dedicated people focused on single universal hardware and will get 4k minimum 30fps and 60fps in some games, whereas the pc... well, the card isn't even out yet and it struggles to pull off quantum break at max settings, and don't even think about 4k with it.
Pc master race and such.
The ps4.5 will have gr8 games released and people will buy them, install them and they will work.
You will go beg gaben to give you an offer, you will download it if the offer finally happens and then, when you hit play, the game will either crash or perform badly and you will need the gtx 2080 Ti to even get 20fps.
This is when you start playing the waiting game, you will wait for patches.
And once the 7080 Ti comes out and the game finally runs at 1080 50fps you will claim the game was fixed
Just like Batman Arkham Knight, the game states that it needs a gtx760 for maximum settings and you better not try that nigger.
And yes, pc mustards claim the game was fixed. (As if buying progressively more and more overprized videocards again and again one after the other was a fix).
So in the end, you will pay 50.000 bucks to play one (1) game in videocards and shit.
I will simply buy a 300 bucks console.
>>337920598
> Internal rendering at 1080p
> UI elements will be rendered at 4k.
>>337921026
Look it up. Nobody is going to explain such a thing in detail to you over an Indonesian carpet weaving website.
>>337931007
There is absolutely no chance of a typical 1080p PS4 game running at 4K.
It's 4 times more pixels. The GPU is roughly 2.3x as powerful. With the laws of diminishing returns and all that, you'd be lucky to get games running at 1440p.
>>337935534
>laws of diminishing returns
kek, are you trying to seem smart?
>>337935692
Is there anything incorrect about what I said?protip: there isn't
>>337936115
NOOOOOO MY ARGUMENTS!!!
PLEASE DELETE THIS RIGHT FUCKIN NOW!!!
STOP THE #ps4shaming
>>337937964
Fuck off rscottyg you false flagging xfag. Delete this now.
>>337937964
#ps4shaming
>>337920598
that's 4K max settings kiddo.
PS4.5 will do 4K medium-high settings. not maxed out.
>>337939282
no, at least minimum setting for 4k.
>>337920598
4k on ultra low and 20fps*
*20 fps varies depending on the weather
>>337920598
Because bethesda makes games with consoles in mind, not PC Thirdworld Race. Enjoy crap port #1843
>it's another platform war thread
Kill yourselves.
>>337932976
You know all this time buying consoles you could've used to buy a pc and enjoy games on the pc right?
I don't think anyone ever said it was supposed to run games at 4k 60fps or even 30fps. If it runs it at 4k it will just upscale it which is meaningless. This is why people call it 4.5/NEO instead. It's just going to be more stable so games will at least be stable 1080p 30fps but probably 60fps. Yes it is possible to get 1080p 60fps.
>>337940439
not like /g/'s OS wars and Nvidia vs. AMD are any better
4k I just an option. I'm sure there are some low power indie games that will upscale to 4k and keep a somewhat steady frame rate. I'm just hoping for more titles with 1080p@60. But every console this gen has the power to hit that, it's the developers faults for choosing other things over frame rate.
