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What are some of the little, insignificant things that bother you about Smash 4? Not the glaring hot topics like the roster, the stages, or the DLC, or the ballot or the clones or whatever, the *smaller* things that really grind your gears. What you personally felt went wrong or gave you that sinking feeling.
Vent about them here.
Any chance for a patch that can still be used at EVO?
Throw combos and grabbing in general being so dominant is a real turn-off for me.
>>337872886
Well, I don't share your views on him being meme status; I didn't really stay on the web when he was confirmed. I think he's a great character. Only thing that holds him back I think is the absence of a projectile and predictability, which can be rectified with baits, reads, etc.
Of course in a game where you win by grabbing, he will be weak anyway, so yeah.
http://www.gamnesia.com/news/sakurai-explains-why-dr-mario-is-his-own-character-in-smash-bros
>Sakurai: "When you have such fans and you just change the character-model and leave it at that and it becomes the same as Mario, we thought people might get angry. That's why we forced ourselves and changed that."
you hear that dorffags? Ganondorf not getting his change up anytime.
now you can stop crying about your placeholder excuse and Black Shadow, who's a useless underdog villain outside the anime and spinoffs.
Sakurai has NEVER done something like porting a moveset to a similar character, solely to give an ex-clone a different moveset.
until a new F-Zero game DOES come out, it's Goroh's time to shine!
Sakurai did nothing wrong.
>almost all the unlockable songs were Brawl songs
>>337873369
>Takamaru out
>Goroh out once again
>Lyn out again
why does Sakurai hates samurai's so much?
>Everything Mr Game & Watch does is 2D, except his down tilt (manhole cover), which is randomly 3D
>the removal of Mario's best alternate palette
>Pacman's shitty alternate palettes
>Wario has less costumes than he did in Brawl
>>337873127
Fuck off OP. No reason to make this into a general. It's not like there's a severe lack of Sakurai bitching threads.
>none of Shimomura works in Brawl and Sm4sh
why?
Custom moves. Such fucking wasted potential. I was excited when i heard about them, it seemed like such a fucking genius idea. If they did it properly it would have been a way to add new depth to old characters, add replayability without just bloating the roster with D grade characters, and represent parts of series that wouldn't otherwise get any time in the spotlight.
But what do we fucking get? The same move, but it's slow, and when it hit they get fire and go more down. And it looks like an awkward as shit brawl hack from 2011. Also you have to force yourself to play garbage single-player content so you can unlock it and find out just how disappointing it all is.
It was the worst and dumbest shit. I'd gladly give up 5 non clone characters off the roster for custom moves that actually had thought and effort put into them.
>>337873821
GEE ANOTHER SWORD CHARACTER
>oh shit that previous OP got a lot of replies
>I WANT SOME YOUs
fuck off
>>337873821
But there's one right here anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADenlayTYXE:^)
>>337873759
>>337873964
A bit bootybothered much? Last thread spawned some pretty civilized discussion, no reason to not continue it while the night's still young, unless you're actually distraught that people are tearing into Sm4sh in matters that expand beyond the roster.
>>337873931
smelly dee poster pls go
>>337873821
Hey don't worry dude you still got the shitty 02 remix in Brawl.
>>337873931
okay here's a kirby character with a lance + shield
happy?
Am I the only one who thought it was weird that the Pictochat song got relocated to 75m instead of say Wii Fit Studio or something?
>>337874128
If I wanted a Kirby character I'd pickMagolorbut that's assuming I want one.
>>337874274
>That feel when unironically want Galacta Knight in Smash
>No break the target
>>337873821
CHOOSE YOUR FUCKING CHARACTER
>>337873127
>no Rick trophy
>no Gooey trophy
>no Acro trophy
>no Dark Matter trophy
>no Adeleine trophy
>no Zero-Two trophy
BUT NOOOO, UNLESS YOU'RE A FIGHTER, ASSIST, OR A MEGA MAN CHARACTER, EVERY SINGLE FUCKING TROPHY MUST BE A LAZY FUCKING MODEL IMPORT FROM A 7TH OR 8TH GEN GAME
>>337874437
WHAT A FUCKING BLUNDER
I still don't understand why they didn't put Wolf in. I'm not even a characterfag for the guy it just makes no sense to me. It would have been so easy to port the character over from Brawl and they had the perfect opportunity with the release timing to promote Star Fox Zero. It was free money.
Just boggles my mind.
Avid lover of 64 and melee here, does landing hitting not feel as satisfying to anyone else here? I actually like smash 4 fine but the movement and landing hits feels akward as fuck to me.
>>337874118
Not them, but getting ma--err i mean ""discussing"" the little things is actually even more autistic then rosterfagging.
>Civilized
I didn't even post in last thread and that shit i read wasn't that.
>>337874332
You're not.
I'm more confused by Tetris Type B being on Wuhu Island.
Also, why doesn't Viridi get a Wii U trophy, despite her being in the Guidances? And even though they don't appear, Hades and Medusa should've had Wii U trophies, too.
>>337874168
Thank you based mods
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLkASaYjKlk
>>337874332
I'm more surprised Pictochat wasn't in the Wii U version at all. There's plenty of songs it introduced that would work well on it.I actually made a fucking list of how all the songs could be arranged if there was a game with all stages from both versions.
the fact that the single player content is an absolute joke
>>337874607
>Also, why doesn't Viridi get a Wii U trophy, despite her being in the Guidances? And even though they don't appear, Hades and Medusa should've had Wii U trophies, too.
Cause Kid Icarus was a 3DS game, so most of its trophies were supposed to be in the 3DS version.
>>337874607
>I'm more confused by Tetris Type B being on Wuhu Island.
Don't worry it confused me too
>>337874651
Care to share?
>>337874586
Yes. 4 is a slow baby party game we all know this.
>warp recovery on Bridge of Eldin omega
>fly out and to the side
>>337874651
Yeah share it. I was gonna do it myself but I might as well see how similar yours ended up being. Did you add any songs or is it purely reorganizing them?
What about the little things I like about Smash 4. Why can't we, /v/, ever talk about the things we LIKE. The things that are GOOD! Jesus Christ!
>>337874601
>but getting ma--err i mean ""discussing"" the little things is actually even more autistic then rosterfagging.
you sure about that?
>>337874731
Here it is. Feel free to judge if you want. Some might have been awkward choices to make because I wanted to avoid any two stages sharing a song, while at the same time make sure there wasn't too much of an imbalance between stages of the same series.
>>337874909
What's a little thing you like about Smash 4? Game has zero soul at all.
>>337874909
>smash 4
>good
anon...
>>337874909
>muh hugbox ;_;
>>337874530
>perfect tier
King Dedede
Dark Matter
>infinite power tier
Kirby
>high tier
Meta Knight
Daroach
>mid tier
Galactica Knight
Marx
Sectonia
Magolor
Prince Fluff
>low tier
Waddle Dee
Susie
>>337874983
man this picture made me realize that ryu's stage literally has 2 songs with 3 variations each
fucking dlc is lazy as hell
I wish there were still trophies for obscure games and more for older games.
>>337874909
I mean I love it overall. But venting is nice, ya know?
>>337874586
What I hate is when you lazily coast towards the blast zone, but you can still attack and air dodge, yet you die anyways.
>>337875008
Soul is not now nor has it ever been an actual argument for quality anon.
>>337874909
I like that Roy, Cloud, ZSS, Link, and Bayo are in.
My likes, though, are easily outnumbered by the problems that make this game un-fun (FG, landing lag, slow controls, etc.).
>>337874983
To add on, the *s indicate it's the remix version, while no * means its the original song.
>>337874840
Pure reorganization, though I did add the Kirby Dreamland mix and Lumiose City since they were on 3DS.
>>337874983
>no Goolie's theme on ryoo's stage
I thought Nintendo were the meme masters
>>337873127
>playing FG
>off the ledge
>lag means that my double jump input doesn't go through
>die because of it
It sorta balances out though, because it's funny as hell when it happens to someone else.
>>337874953
King K rool fags aren't people anon.
>>337873821
>that garbage redesign
Get that shit out of here anon.
>>337873127
Reposting because why not.
>Single Player is crap
>No Adventure Mode of some sort
>Palutena's Specials are the worst ones
>Wizard's Dropkick isn't Ganondorf's defulat DSpecial
>Wario got some alt colors removed while Little Mac has 16
>Phantom Footstooling
>Almost everyone has a DThrow > UTilt/UAir
>Almost every Sword character has a Counter move
>Omega Stages being a thing instead of just having a Hazards Off Switch
>Suit Samus doesn't have a Sex Kick
>OHKO Items appear too fucking much in Classic Mode, right along side eachother too as a matter of fact
>Lucina and Dark Pit
>Regular 75m
>Getting caught under Pyrosphere's terrain when recovering
>Equipment RNG
>No 8 Player Smash Online (even though it'd probably be a lagfest)
>Too many transition Stages
>Most Music choices are shitty
>Crowd Cheers are just shit
>Pac-Man and Mega Man don't have their respective death sounds on their Star KOs
>Classic Mode doesn't feel like a Classic Mode (No Break the Targets, RNG Special Fights [Metal or Giant])
>No Smash Run on the Wii U version
>No Snake or Wolf
>No Offline Tournament Mode
>Upward KOs can be the Explosion one thus fucking over Jigglypuff getting Rest KOs sometimes
>Mega Man 2 stuff being overused
>No Boss fucking Battles (no Wily or Eggman)
>>337874983
>Brinstar
>Yoshi's Island
>Arena Ferox
>Prism Tower
>All these cool stages that could have worked in tourneys but they're in 3DS and we're stuck with Animal Crossing all day erry day.
FUCK
FUCK
FUCK
>>337875406
i have more examples of rosterfagging anon, you want to see more?
>>337874983
I like this anon, my only complaint being only three songs on Delfino Plaza, probably because it's one of my favorite stages.
Other than that good work.
>>337874530
>sectonia, whose been killed, her soul destroyed, and then killed again via cloning
>not taranza
This is just personal autismo but I hate how attacks still go through the bottom of the stage.
Like Marth's Dolphin Slash or Ryu's Shoryuken can hurt someone who isn't even at the ledge.
Also fuck single player on hard, this shit is infuriating.
>>337875701
Corrin's side b and ZSS can too, though ZSS's is harder to hit with
>>337875636
>implying death/timeline trash matters in a spinoff title
>>337873127
its not 64
>>337875553
>8 player smash online
absolute madman
>>337875701
Is there any way to fix Palutena's tilts'} They're awful.
>>337875810
It does in a Kirby spinoff.
>>337875859
No it doesn't.
>>337875859
the fuck? no it doesn't
Dark Matter, Marx, Sailor Dee, and Nightmare literally all came back in Mass Attack's minigames.
>>337875834
you make your own
>>337875834
I use U-tilt often because it's a good way to snag people not anticipating it, but I only play FG.
But the only way to fix ftilt or dtilt is allowing her to cancel it.
>>337873127
we have the ability for post-release content as dlc and the game is still missing old characters.
also its very weird only having charizard.
>>337875597
How much you got?
>can't set certain attributes to specific players in special smash
>the single player modes being so goddamn boring and shitty
a problem since brawl. too much over excess on content. Just make a solid, short, replayable, adventure mode. Not some kirby metroidvania shit
>>337874983
A lot of stuff I'd rearrange but for the most part I guess it's agreeable.
>>337876245
not many but it's plenty enough
i'm still collecting more tho
>Masahiro Sakurai stated in an interview that he would have considered dropping the character from the game entirely if Namco didn't allow them to use his classic design over his more modern Pac-Man & the Ghostly Adventures design.[2]
This one still gets me everytime.
>>337876856
He has good taste in some places.
>>337873127
The intro doesn't say SUPER... SMAAAAAAAASH BROTHEEEEEERS and generally the game doesn't have the same vibe as 64 and Melee. You can barely hear the crowd and the chants.and I'm even a meleefag, I think Smash 4 has the best gameplay overall.
>>337873369
>until a new F-Zero game comes out
Yeah fucking right.
I would actually buy a nintendo console over that though but I don't think they're making another one.
>>337876967
Xander actually mentioned recording a couple of those. Though I don't think SUPER SMASH BROS FOR WII U AND 3DS doesn't really have the same ring as SUPER SMAAAAAAAASH BROOOOOTHEERRRS.
>>337877005
The Wii U could have had one.
http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/23/burnout-dev-criterion-nearly-made-a-wii-u-f-zero-game
>>337876967
>the intro and themesong isn't as cool
Damn shame.
>>337873369
>Sakurai has NEVER done something like
This is probably the number one thing that pisses me off about Smashfags in general; their obsession with trying to piece every little offhand statement or coincidence into some sort of grand Da Vinci Code bullshit that will inevitably reveal the whole roster of every future game. Like, with all the out-of-left-field additions and bizarre game design decisions that have occurred throughout Smash's history, it's pretty safe to say that Sakurai (and everyone else who calls the shots with these games) doesn't give a flying fuck about precedents or patterns or how Charizard and Greninja being in totally means Sceptile will be in because muh type triangle or whatever. I thought that was made clear way back when they added fucking Mr. Game & Watch to Melee.
>>337876845
Holy shit, ashelyfags were that bad huh?
I remember when anon's were calling warioware one of the chillest fanbases along with kirby and pikmin.
Ever since post RTDL, not fucking anymore. Pikmin is the only sane one left.
>>337876967
This.
Not agreeing on the spoiler, i meant the intro thing.
>>337877108
>http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/06/23/burnout-dev-criterion-nearly-made-a-wii-u-f-zero-game
Why the fuck have nintendo given up on F-Zero, it's literally one of the only good things they've done over time that hadn't devolved into babby fanpleasing bullshit. F-Zero GX was god tier, and it's not impossible to resurrect the franchise and do it well. Do they just really think they are too shit to make another good one? It wouldn't surprise me.
>>337877108
>Criterion
oh thank fucking god
i'm really desperate for a new and proper F-Zero game, but Crierion was too busy fucking up Need for Speed.
glad EA killed them off years later
>>337877339
Mario Kart is the new F-Zero.
Profit, franchise recognition, and popularity, and besides most of the F-Zero cast is unmemorable. Who remembers Pico, or Zoda?
>>337877339
you really wanted Criterion to touch F-Zero after what the they done to NoS?
talk about low standards, if Nintendo wanted to bring it back, Miyamoto will just fuck it up like he did with Star Fox Zero without taking note from previous games.
>>337877339
>Do they just really think they are too shit to make another good one
Reminder that GX was made by Sega.
>>337877181
>any nintendo fanbase ever
>sane
>>337877728
>Mario Kart is the new F-Zero.
>"I have never played F-Zero before"
>>337873127
I like the game but replacing the Codec Calls for stupid ass shit PIT SHIT really grinded my gears.
Granted Snake isn't in the game anymore because Kojima is a tool and Hayter wouldn't be doing his lines anymore but the codec stuff was ifinitely better.
>>337873706
>the removal of Mario's best alternate palette
So much this.
Also
>removing Link's white robes in favor of his ugly SS pajamas
Although they fucked him up since Brawl. Changing the color of the shield and boots doesn't pay off, he was way better in Melee, where he only changed the color of his robe.
>>337877728
I see. I do remember Pico but not Zoda sadly. I wonder what that means.
>>337877826
I didn't read the criterion article I was just talking about the abandonment of F-Zero in general.
>>337877897
Yes. It was. Goddamn it Sega why did you have to fuck yourselves up.
>>337877728
>and besides most of the F-Zero cast is unmemorable. Who remembers Pico, or Zoda?
t. secondary cuck
also, are people still memeing about 200cc? literally slower than fucking F-Zero X at a low rate
>>337873890
It was underwhelming, although the equipable gear (or whatever it's called) adds some pretty fun variety to the game.
For example, I made a faster Ganondorf who has random critical hits and some of his twerked alt moves. With that set-up he actually plays more like in his games, and he is fun as fuck to use.
The downside of this is that it requires a lot of planning + trial and error.
>>337877897
>implying Climax isn't the best F-Zero game
>>337878178
> Goddamn it Sega why did you have to fuck yourselves up.
to be fair they ended up making all stars racing transformed which was elder god tier
>>337874332
>75m
I know this breaks OP's rules, but seeing that stage return made me mad as fuck.
>>337878360
SASRT was also by Sumo Digital
>>337875636
>sectonia, whose been killed, her soul destroyed, and then killed again via cloning
Damn, Kirby is really hardcore.
>>337878331
It isn't, it's good though. You can't do alot of the crazy shit that you can do in GX and even F-Zero X
>>337877728
F-Zero has absolutely never been as recognizable or popular as Mario Kart.
>>337874520
>>337874530
>no Nago, Pitch or ChuChu
>>337877137
you seriously had to type all this shit?
not even a fucking patternfag, still stupid to discard off shit like Dark Pit and Lucina yet give Black Shadow a praise because "MUH VILLAIN REP" and "MUH NEW MOVESET"
already seen people bitching about the Black Shadow being a trash clone than being it's own thing like Falcon or using stuff from the anime instead.
http://smashboards.com/threads/the-worst-of-melee-brawl-and-now-project-m.342787/#post-16039679
>>337873127
I'm posting this before reading the thread so forgive me if I repeat something someone already brought up.
>Lucario, Sonic and Pac-Man's alt colors
>Little Mac having eight wireframe costumes
>Wario had some of his alt colors taken away
>None of the Pokemon have their shiny forms as alt colors
>The new remix of Ashley's Theme was Japanese version only
>Dr. Mario, Lucina, Dark Pit and all the DLC characters were just slapped on the end of the menu instead of being with other characters in their franchises
>Stages on the menu are ordered by newest game to oldest game when it should be the other way around
>Melee stages got new HD textures while the N64 stages didn't
>The yellow on Wario's default overalls costume is too bright
>No option to turn off boss characters
>Master Hand and Crazy Hand aren't boss characters
>Controller slots are selected by whoever touches a button first and this resets every time you go to a different mode
>DLC characters don't have custom moves
>Custom moves in general seem like an afterthought despite all the potential it could've had
>I also have a million things to say about the online modes but I'll spare you all on that
>>337874909
I like the moveset tweaks some characters got.
Bowser is actually fun to use, Pit can be more aggressive, ZZSamus, and so on.
8 player Smash is pretty good, if only because it allows you to team up with 2 or 4 friends against the CPU or let 8 people play at the same time.
Several new characters are great.
Sm4sh did some things right, but I have the same sentiment as other anons and the community in general; the game doesn't have much love put into it, it was shameless for reusing assets, and even then, some nice things from Brawl were removed.
Yeah, a second thread in a fucking row of you literal children STILL bawling about "not muh melee", as if we didn't get enough of this after Brawl and 4 came out. Get the fuck over it already, holy shit.
>>337879210
>hasn't read the thread at all
Top tier shitposting m8
>>337879170
>>Master Hand and Crazy Hand aren't boss characters
but they are?
>>337879170
>Melee stages got new HD textures while the N64 stages didn't
I actually prefer them unchanged desu
>>337879210
Hey man if Falcon/Ganondorf can grab the ledge correctly with their upB and sideB of course the game is shit
>>337879210
>a second thread in a fucking row of you literal children STILL bawling about "not muh melee"
where?
>>337879210
>"not muh melee"
64 is objectively the best game
>>337879516
this
>>337879014
Where did I say anything about F-Zero characters? Frankly, I don't give a shit about what they do with Ganondorf. I'm just saying that trying to predict what may or may not be added to Smash is a fool's errand, because it's clear that there's no rhyme or reason to it at all.
>337879210
IT'S AN ENEMY STAND
DON'T REPLY TO IT
>>337879516
You have good taste, /x/chan.
>>337873127
Mewtwo's weight and Ganon's moveset. It literally pisses me off that the man who says he properly represents each character according to their game hasn't got it right with these two. What a fucking idiot.
>>337879354
I meant in vs mode battles like Ridley and Yellow Devil.
Admit it, as long as there was an option to turn them off, it'd be fun as fuck.
>>337879729
TOO LATE
>>337879516
this """""guy""""" gets it
Subspace Emissary is the single coolest thing Nintendo has ever done. Debate me.
>>337879978
Good on paper but it was poorly executed.
>>337879516
now open those legs, fuccboi
>>337876967
It's like they injected all the hype into the trailers and forgot to pour some into the actual game.
>>337879978
you only liked the cutscenes and the idea itself
>>337880383
daily reminder that you'll never ever see Smash 4 Megaman without his helmet off anywhere in game
>>337880467
This to be honest.
The level design is pretty hit or miss.
>>337879978
It would be GOAT if it didn't have floaty Brawl gameplay.
Also, fuck these things.
Why the fuck doesn't the single player have a little symbol that tells me who I've beaten each mode with somewhere like seriously sometimes I just wanna drop it and come back and it just keeps the high score so I can't tell if I actually finished or not like what the fuck.
>>337880830
Play it with pm, subspace with melee tech is godlike
>>337873127
>Ike can't shoot lasers out of his sword
>Donkey Kong can't throw barrels
>Palutena's moveset in general
>Dark Pit
>Still no Bowser's Castle stage
>6 FE reps (But no Lyn, Hector, Black Knight, Ana)
>Ganon is still a Captain Falcon Clone
>Smash Run
>Stage Hazards
>Momentum does not carry over into jumps
>Forever shields
Why?
>>337880830
Fun fact: the physics in SSE are different from Brawl mode's physics. Run speeds are different, you fall faster, and the window for short hopping is harder for some reason, like Melee.
>>337881416
>>Ganon is still a Captain Falcon Clone
I fucking wish
>>337881416
FE has a constantly rotating castle, none of the characters you mentioned have a chance over le latest new FE lord three years from now
>>337881416
>>Donkey Kong can't throw barrels
hello Brawl Minus dev
>>337873369
Sakurai is so set upon not upsetting fans in all the wrong ways.
>Butu fanzu wantu to pray same characta! I cannotu invent good muvuset now!
>>337881416
>Ana
I never knew I wanted this. Either her or Tiki would have been way better additions that are actually memorable and a staple of the franchise.
Ike already feels out of place, and Corrin will fare way worse, since he/she is such a shitty FE character in general.
The grind is ridiculous. The most offensive example is when some moves are exclusively available after certain events, until you unlock them, in which case they become available for trophy rush.
I also hate how the UI is. Why can't I make it so that I always play on Survival? Why can't I enable custom moves OR equipment? Why is it so cluttered and u intuitive at the same time?
>>337878942
>>337875636
>>337875091
>>337874530
WE MEELEEEEEEEEEE
>>337881698
Not him
But me thinks that Lyn has the best shot if Roy grants a remake of his game.
Also people were asking for a bowser castle stage since melee i think, Castle siege has nothing on that.
>>337874376
This kind of thinking got us Dark Pit.
>>337882027
>castle
cast*** sorry
>>337882025
>Buggsy
>Sir Kibble
Found my mains.
>>337882025
>Dark Meta Knight is a Sectonia clone
>Knuckle Joe is a Shine and Bright clone
>Poppy Bros is a Bonkers clone
Do you even Melee character select screen? You even got Drawcia and DL3 trio right, so what gives?
>>337882708
Don't expect perfection m8, but here, this a bit better?
>>337873706
to be fair, Wario's new colors are merges of the removed colors
>>337883086
Fuck I knew I was missing something.
>>337877728
>Mario Kart is the new F-Zero
Just fucking kill me. We'll never get ludicrous speed racing again with a cast of space retards. Only babies and MARIO
>>337883258
Make Bonkers a Dedede clone because that's what he is in any games where the're playable. And maybe Magalor a Marx clone, possibly.
>>337873127
Where was my Nintendo Land stage?
Also, why did Charizard and Lucario not have their shiny alts when they have EIGHT possible costumes to choose from?
>>337877339
>>337877826
Miyamoto wants to make F-Zero In house with a good interface
Hopefully the NX will be that interface
Also stop falling for the Star Fox Zero hate bandwagon, it's still a great game
Besides, you can't fuck up a racing game, even with motion
>>337883532
Gamefreak already had a fucking thorn of having Pikachu being shades of Yellow
They allowed them to have different colors but arent allowed to have their shiny variants
Though to be fair, Charizard's original GSC shiny is still a color pallette
>>337883667
>Miyamoto wants to make F-Zero in house with a good interface.
Since when?
All I've ever heard is him saying they don't really have anything new to bring to the series, so they won't make anymore, despite every fucking New Super Mario Bros game being the same exact fucking thing.
>>337883667
>>Also stop falling for the Star Fox Zero hate bandwagon, it's still a great game
with 643D existing, i'll never understand the reason for the shitty ass controls Uprising and Zero has.
>>337883667
>it's still a great game
wew laddie
>>337883524
Sadly can't move DDD or Sectonia from the Royal spots, so this will have to do.
>>337883524
Actually no its the other way around, Dedede is a Bonkers clone in the games in which Dedede is playable.
Dedede in Brawl is a more faithful interpretation of how Dedede should play in a Kirby game than how Dedede actually plays in Kirby games, rather sad.
>>337883835
Zero may be the same, but Uprising plays totally different and its control scheme is great once you get used to it.
Smash Tour's timed stock system.
Timed Stock has never been a thing because it's pretty bullshit and here in particular it means you gain nothing from being in first place, because only second place matters.
I played with my brother and he got about 6 stock to my 2, but when we got to the final round I just went gung ho and knocked out about 3 guys. That meant I won, because having high stock doesn't actually matter, all that matters is getting KO points, and having the most stock also means nothing because the match ends once the person in second place runs out. It's not even fucking hard to balance, just give the surviving person extra points for each remaining stock they have.
>>337883924
What's so bad about it? Or is this just about being aboard the obligatory hatewagon?
>>337884129
>its control scheme is great
it's fucking trash and i already have played a railshooter-type of game that had you use touch shit shit to play.
>Sega gets two reps
>Capcom gets two reps
>Namco doesn't get Chosen Undead or Soul Of Cinder
>>337883968
I suppose it'll do. I like collecting these sorts of things, but I also like them being decently organized.
>>337884301
After Pac-Man they'd probably only give Namco scraps like Mr. Driller or Taizo Hori
>>337884301
Namco almost got Heihatchi actually
>>337883667
>Also stop falling for the Star Fox Zero hate bandwagon, it's still a great game
Fuck you, Star Fox Zero is mediocre. It's not even a good entry in the rail-shooter genre.
>>337884301
>>Namco doesn't get Chosen Undead or Soul Of Cinder
Why would they? They only publish the games and they have nothing to do with Nintendo.
>>337884408
Yep, but Harada vetoed it as he didn't feel he'd fit.
>>337884301
>Two oneshot characters from a series that's never been on Nintendo.
Just put Nightmare or Heihachi.
>>337884408
>>337884301
Sakurai and the Tales director wanted Lloyd in Smash 4
so make that 2 Namco character that almost made it
I'm thoroughly disgusted by every single playstyle of every character.
I think god is punishing me when I have to fight Toon Link.
>You have to change the rules from Time to Stock every time you go into Versus mode
>Brawl always remembered your preference even after you turned the system off
>>337884529
both sakurai and harada vetoed it
his Tekken moveset wouldn't blend nicely into Smash. also PSASBR is shit.
>>337873127
The "Reset Event" buttons are right on the buttons that'll get pressed when you set the Gamepad down
>>337884326
>both changes are drastically worse
Throw it in the fucking garbage. If anything, remove Yoshi for Marth.
>>337884584
>takes forever to load the rules screen and then load back the character select
>>337884251
Touch screen, wiimote+nunchunk or kb+m are some of the best controls for rail shooters.
Being touch makes it way more fast-paced and responsive. I'm sorry that your brain couldn't keep up with the game.
>>337884557
Harada didn't feel Heihachi would fit in Smash so vetoed it.
>>337873127
What really bothers me is that the trophy of Barbara isn't grouped with the other Rayman trophies and I will never understand that as long as I live
>>337884673
>also PSASBR is shit.
Strange you felt compelled to bring that up.
Also Harada was the first to veto it. He said it in an interview he wouldn't okay it before Sakurai got to pre-production work.
>>337884557
Nightmare is an assist trophy.
>>337884673
Harada vetoed it first, so it doesn't matter what Sakurai would have done. Sakurai's only direct mention was he didn't want to bring over characters from fighting games, which means jack shit as he then added Ryu.
>>337884563
>Sakurai wanted
Source? I'd rather have a a valkyrie or kos-mos tbqh
The tier-list rewards people with shitty taste like all the fetish women and cloud
The best woman moveset-wise is peach and she's been bumped down quite a bit compared to how she used to be
>>337884563
>Lloyd was considered for Smash before Klonoa
It takes way too long to KO someone now, what used to come at around 120% comes at about 160-170% now. Outside characters with intentionally shit recoveries like Little Mac, they'll almost always get back to the stage if they weren't KO'd.
Classic being changed. I get someone might not want it to be the same, but did anybody even test this shit before releasing it? It's classic in name only, and there is nothing less fun than a 7v1 fight on 9.0.
You now are expected to fight about double the characters in All Star you were expected to in Melee/Brawl, sometimes with 7-8 fighters in a row on one horrible level. Try fighting all those enemies on a stage with a boss for added "fun." On top of this, you have about the same amount of HP restoration as you did in the past games, despite the enemy increase.havent touched the game in awhile, may be wrong on this
Nearly every new item introduced isn't fun to use/have in the game at all, like the plethora of Uprising items. Pokemon are either nearly useless or dominate the entire stage while out, very little middle ground. Eevee's worthless, and Keldeo has an attack range about three times too large
There is no mode to play online with randoms with custom movesets, which were talked up before release, only to have no real place to use them
>>337884913
>Sakurai's only direct mention was he didn't want to bring over characters from fighting games
you read a mistranslation there bud,
http://sourcegaming.info/2015/07/10/sakurai-didnt-say-that/#[1]
>>337885729
Incorrect on All-Star's account. Adding 7 DLC characters makes the mode terribly unbalanced. Some stages are now too overcrowded because most of the newcomers come from the same eras and others now seem too small by comparison.
Jump momentum isn't there at all. There's nothing more jarring than seeing Sonic/Falcon run really fast, and then jump and instantly slow down.
>>337876856
At least he had one good idea
>>337885902
>most of the newcomers
most of the DLC characters**
>>337884989
http://sourcegaming.info/2016/04/30/mii-fighter-costumes-consolation-prizes/
scroll down a bit and you'll see Lloyd with a couple of highlighted words on his consideration
>>337885823
>there's a fucking tournament mode setting for customs but no equipment
>but it's only for "official" tournies, player made tournies can't use this option
There's so much fucking flat and pixelshit.
Remember when Game and Watch was a fun little throwback to LCD displays? Now half the fucking stages are flat or pixelated.
Duck Hunt's trailer shows an HD version of the Duck Hunt game, why the hell isn't that in Smash? Instead it's a port of the NES one. Same with Mute City, Balloon Fight, 75-M, PAC-MAZE, PAC-LAND, and Dream Land.
If I wanted to see shitty MS-paint looking graphics, I'd play PAC-LAND, not the eighth generation fighting game.
>still no "remove hazards" button
Omega mode doesn't count, if i wanted final destination i'd pick Final Destination
>>337873127
>Wonderful 101 music
>Wonderful 101 trophies
>No Wonderful 101 character
Fuck my life, fampai.
>>337886147
This
Nothing wrong with platforms, but needing to be punished by random shit going on in the background just to have them there kills the fun
>>337886147
Sakurai specifically said that was a feature in PSABR, and he didn't want to steal features from them.
He deserved better, desu. So much better
Such shitty Assist Trophy presentation and so much potential, not a playable character, no Starfy based stage, or even music at all.
>>337885823
>no online team tourney mode
>no online 1v1 tourney mode
>Cloud speaks Japanese in all regions for no goddamn reason
>resetting matches on the gamepad
>>337886147
>a fucking side game in Kirby Triple Deluxe has a hazards option
Please just fucking give the series back to HAL already, they clearly love to do stuff with Nintendo's other series to begin with.
Just a minor complaint, but I wish there were custom victory poses for teams, depending on who your partner was.
Something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSwId0qFdu4
>No more Snake
>No chance of having a Belmont or Alucard
>No chance of having Raiden
>No chance of having Suikoden
>>337886026
He says after pac-man there weren't any decided upon.
>Interviewer: Between Bandai and Namco, were there any other strong candidates for inclusion as a fighter?
>Sakurai: There were none. We basically thought of all the characters at the start of development. We decided on characters we knew we could make. However, there were a few in consideration, such as Heihachi from “Tekken.”
That's not really a "want" from sakurai's part anon, but nice to know.
>>337873369
F-Zero can't even ask for a lazy clone, and Sakurai throws those in all the time. Even if a second F-Zero happened, Sakurai wold probably keep it at Falcon only out of habit.
>>337886654
Fuck forgot to add, he only meant that lloyd was the only worthy choice for something tales related.
>>337885902
Correct me if i'm wrong, but All star grants 2 heart containers, 1 fairy, and 1 maxim tomato, correct? that's not much more than the past games had for healing, and again, 20+ more fighters than Melee.
I'm not asking for Melee again, but expecting someone to actually pull off All Star on Hard when stages like Wily Castle are the norm is unreasonable.
>>337886526
>Please just fucking give the series back to HAL already, they clearly love to do stuff with Nintendo's other series to begin with.
oooh, i got some bad news for you borb
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HAL_Laboratory
>Super Smash Bros. for Nintendo 3DS (Development Cooperation)
>>337886405
>taking good features from a worse game is bad
There's not a fucking patent on a "remove obstacles" button
Not really so much about the game itself but
>competitive scene that's out to ban any character that they cant beat without trying
>>337882025
maining wrestlebug
>>337886489
>Cloud is in the game to begin with
Why can I not just BUY the custom movesets/hats/outfits like i can with some trophies?
>>337884584
>>Brawl always remembered your preference even after you turned the system off
really?
Multihit smash attacks in general, more often than not the enemy gets knocked out of range of the attack with actual knockback
the community's attitude towards little mac
>>337886868
Sakurai doesn't see it as a bad game. He specifically didn't want to copy to feature because it was unique
>>337884584
>Brawl always remembered your preference even after you turned the system off
No it didn't.
>>337883968
Alright if we're trying to actually parallel the Melee cast of characters, here's how I'd do it.
>Dr. Mario
Pillah
>Mario
Kirby
>Luigi
Gooey
>Bowser
Dark Matter
>Princess Peach
Fairy QueenQueen Sectonia is too big!
>Yoshi
Rick
>Donkey Kong
King Dedede
>Captain Falcon
Capsule-J
>Ganondorf
Iron Mam
>Falco
Galactica Knight
>Fox
Meta Knight
>Ness
Gim
>Ice Climbers
Lolo & Lala
>Kirby
Prince Fluff
>Samus
Waddle Doos
>Zelda
Marx
>Link
Coo
>Young Link
Pitch
>Pichu
Adeleine
>Pikachu
Plasma Wisp
>Jigglypuff
Waddle Dee
>Mewtwo
Magolor
>Mr. Game&Watch
Poppy Bros Sr.
>Marth
Buggzy
>Roy
Beetley
A mod of a shitty game is better than it
What the FUCK nintendo
I never touched the DLC past the free* Mewtwo, does Cloud's stage really not have One-Winged Angel? I've never even played that game and i know how iconic is can be.I've got some major fuckin buyer's remorse for the Wiiu version
>>337887416
>an option to remove the things keeping the fight from being fun at all on most stages
>it's unique cant have that
>>337887587
Sakurai said it, not me.
>>337887587
>i know how iconic is can be.
shit, i meant "I know how iconic that song is." No clue how that happened
>>337887539
>A mod of a shitty game is better than it
in terms of what?
>>337873552
He tired of people calling him "Samurai".
>>337887739
Honestly it sounds more like an excuse
>>337887539
>basically Brawl with cheat codes
>good
>>337887539
but anon, Moon Brawl was pretty fucking shit!
>>337887867
please explain yourself because im not following
>>337887587
It only has the boss theme and battle theme. No One Winged Angel, no JENOVA, no nothing.
Cloud also speaks Japanese for no reason. Feels like they kinda half-assed his stuff outside of the character himself
>>337887539
>A mod of a shitty game is better than it
no it isn't
>>337887757
>>337887936
>>337887867
>>337888028
Project M is better than Sm4sh in just about every single way except roster size.
Call it autistic, call it "muh melee," call it whatever, but in every single way, it's better. If making a game good is autistic, then I wouldn't be mad that autists are closely becoming the majority.
>>337887539
>meleefags
>>337887990
Wasn't the music issue because of Square Enix saying what Nintendo could and couldn't use?
>>337888081
What writing tags though
you go through like multiple menus just to make a tag and delete a tag
Sm4sh its in one place
>>337887539
fuck off Melee ain't shit
20XX beats the shit out of any CPUs done in any Smash game including Project Malarkey
the fact that nintendo is in charge of it
smash is a love letter to Nintendo fans, and Nintendo has proven itself, time and time again, COMPLETELY oblivious to what fans actually want
>>337888424
yeah, i'm sure Sony and Microsoft know what fans want! let's give it to them!
>>337873706
To be fair, I think third parties can mandate what can and can't be done with their characters.
Namco probably said Pac-Man is not allowed to be any color other than yellow.
>>337888424
so what do the fans actually want?
>>337888616
a good game
>>337888649
>being subjective
>>337888649
but what is this "good game" though?
>>337888738
better than a mod
>>337888769
so a "good game" doesnt exists then
>>337888769
what mod?
>>337874520
I fucking hate the trophies in this game for that very reason. Sakurai couldn't have missed they point further with them like he did with everything else in smash 4.
Remember all those trophies in melee that represented and showcased not only characters from throughout a series' history, but also trophies for obscure games like Donbi and Hikari, or Diskun.
Not to sound like an apologist, but I feel like most of the problems with Smash 4 had to do with the fact that they had to waste time making a 3ds version as well.
>>337888874
the project m mod
>>337889054
pretty fucking much
Why is Corneria not in Smash 4? It's been in every Smash game, and is even in the 3DS version but not on the Wii U.
It'sone ofthe best damn stage in the whole series and for some reason it's not in the newest game. I'm mad
>>337889116
but Other M mods are crap?
>>337889207
>corneria
>every smash game
>smash 64
>>337889270
but other m mods are better than the actual other m
>>337889285
It was Sector Z then and it was literally the same map with a different background.
>>337889151
I got sooooooo much shit for saying things like "it seems like they're rushing the game a bit" and "i feel like they could have had more/better characters if they didn't have the 3ds version to worry about" and a few of my RL friends would act as if I were shitposting or something. I mean, isn't it obvious? The 3ds version literally only hindered the game as a whole. The fact that more people got to play it means fuck all to me, who didn't want to buy a 240p version of the game with shit controls.
>>337889285
Surely he means The Great Fox and isn't one of those people who thinks Corneria is the name of the shipright?
>>337889207
Because they want you to buy the 3DS version since 3DS and Wii U are supposed to be a pair of games for the whole experience. That's also why Wii U's single player is total ass. 3DS got all the good ideas.
>>337889365
they're all simplistic texture/model swaps.
what's the difference?
>>337889389
To be fair, the cel-shading looks kind of neat with the outlines, as does the 3D graphics.
>>337889285
Cornelia and Sector Z are literally the same map.If I had said the Great Fox map you'd still be mad.
>>337889474
the textures and models were better than the original ones
>>337889580
>cornelia
>>337873369
>you hear that dorffags? Ganondorf not getting his change up anytime.
I knew that a long time ago. It's depressing as hell for me personally given I'm a huge Zeldafag and Sakurai has essentially given the Zelda IP the bare minimum.
Think about it, Young Link & Toon Link are more or less the same thing. That means we've had the same characters since Melee. Three games, 14 years, shits unchanged.
The stages for Smash 4? Bridge of Elden and Temple, again. Hyrule Castle as DLC. Skyloft is literally ported from SS. He finally does something good with Gerudo Valley, and its a fucking 3DS stage.
Meanwhile, who could we add? Ghirahim? Midna? Skull Kid? Nah fuck that lets just make them Assist Trophies. Should we pull a Lucario with Sheik and transition to Impa? Nope, too much work, we need to add Bowser Jr, Roy, Palutena and Corrin. I mean for fucks sake, Bowser, Pit, Kirby, etc can all get major changes, but no one from Zelda?
At this point, I've accepted the only way the next Smash will have a "real" Ganondorf is if they just make Ganon and Ganondorf two separate characters.
And we all know that won't happen.
>>337889846
Ganon is 2big, as much as I hate using that argument. He's fine as a final smash for Ganondorf.
>>337889574
I don't disagree! It's a great port!
But one I wish didn't exist.
>>337880830But they're so cutein a weird way.
>>337889984
don't judge a book from it's cover
ganon's fine
>>337889846
>Meanwhile, who could we add? Ghirahim? Midna? Skull Kid? Nah fuck that lets just make them Assist Trophies.
why bother with those? it's pretty much like adding General Scales or Tricky as a newcomer for Star Fox in Smash.
>>337890051
Honestly, the best way for them to fix this is to make Smash 4 rerelease on the NX with combined content from both games.
The problem with it being a handheld title is there's just too much shit it can't withstand that Wii U has. 8 Player Smash, pausing in multiplayer modes, like 1/4th as much music, no Masterpieces, or My Music.
Smash was never meant to be handheld.
I can barely tell the colors apart in-game except for the red one.
>>337879516
>posts retarded trapshit
>has a stupid opinion
Why is this so unsurprising?
>>337889846
Kirby didn't get shit in Sm4sh but a nerfed zorro orb, a literal port of Dream Land from the GB (3DS only) and the worst stage in the entire game. Dark Matter from Dream Land 2, the series' most iconic and influential main villain, should have been a playable character.
>>337890675
don't forget
DDD's still a shit heavy in smash
>>337890613
>final fantasy characters
>dressing in anything other than black
It's like you were expecting good designs from a JRPG.
>>337890613
I feel like getting Cloud in Smash really was the hardest thing to pull off so far. Everything about his addition is so lacking that it wreaks of Square Enix being stingy bitches about every little thing. Especially the music.
>>337886526
>HAL
I'm sick of this meme. If they couldn't do anything but bank on nostalgia for a decade after all actually creative forces left, I doubt they could handle a project as big as Smash.
>>337890838
With worse sound effects, and they've replaced his god tier Brawl voice clips with disgusting monster grunts. I don't care that gordons are more viable either, Dees and Doos were way more fun.
Eh he's not bad though if you know what you're doing, I main him, I usually win, and I have fun.
>>337886531
There's way too many combinations with that. With 8-player Smash you'd have to take teams of 3, 4, or as big as 7 into account.
>>337891093
Nigga HAL's the only developer Nintendo has left that actually cares about quality and making a fun video game. So what if they like to pander to nostalgia? Maybe Smash could use some of that.
>>337888908
>trophies for obscure games
>not in Smash 4
That's bullshit and you know it. Tell me about the super HOT title Nintendo Pocket Football Club and the MASSIVELY popular all-stars King Roy, Eddy and Goligan
>>337891703
>king roy
fucking why
That FreakyForms medley was GOAT tho
>>337891259
That's because the new director isn't interested in anything but stagnation. Give it a few more years before you see Triple Deluxe 3. And people always give other Nintendo companies shit for the same things. It's blatant favoritism.
>>337891703
>>337888908
don't forget how each smash went up a gen on trophies each game and trashed away (or didn't reimplement) older trophies
we don't see classic trophies anymore
>>337873127
the menus
>>337892034
does excitebike and viruses count as classic trophries?
>>337892034
Isn't that a good thing? You fags whine about the constant recycling for trophies but it's ok if it's from a previous Smash game? The way I see it is you can see the trophy in the old game if you want to and there's no reason to bring them all back. It's not like they affect the gameplay like stages.
>>337892015
But because of that, Kirby's the only Nintendo series that hasn't gone to shit or died.
>>337874787
I play Zelda frequently, and this shit makes me so angry.
>>337879516
>Hitstun: The Game The Movie The Experience
No.
>>337892216
Kirby turned into drawing lines auto scrollers. Are you implying those aren't shit?
>>337892186
>does excitebike and viruses count as classic trophries?
nope, i'm talking about the ones in Melee
pic related for example, the other Mario trophies will get a [SMASH] stamp labeled right by it since it's about Smash's Mario.
So this is bound to be Sakurai's last Smash game, right? He's been saying he's done with it for the past 2 games and it really shows.
>>337892597
>So this is bound to be Sakurai's last Smash game, right?
no
>>337892216
THIS
THIS
THIS
THIS
THIS
People are already considering Planet Robobot to be 2016's best game, and yet nobody likes Star Fox Zero or New Super Mario Bros Wii2UNX or whatever.
>>337892216
>only
Pokemon does the exact same thing but constantly gets shit for it. They take stuff from previous games and build on it. That's basically what they've been doing since creation.
Now some of the decisions they make are questionable, but overall their games are quality.
>>337892597
As long as another Smash will be made, he'll feel the need to direct it if only to prove that he knows best for the series and to prevent anyone else from proving they can do better than him.
>>337892597
Fun Fact: Sakurai said that every Smash game he makes, he has to pretends it's the last game he's doing.
>>337892592
Literally two Kirby games are drawing lines auto scrollers. Out of like, 30. Moron.
>>337892596
>nope, i'm talking about the ones in Melee
But my dude
>>337892689
There's only been 4 games within the past decade you samefagging mongoloid
>>337883968
>No TAC
It's shit.
>>337891837
Was it really? I know nothing about FreakyForms but that medley sure as hell didn't sound pleasing to the ears.
>>337892772
He means the trophies you got for beating Classic Mode with a character. The new ones are just their Smash model with Smash gameplay trivia about them as opposed to a more faithful model of their traditional rendition and trivia about them from their core series.
>>337892772
anon, i wasn't talking about old classics like Excitebike. i'm talking about the Classic Trophies of the playable characters in Melee.
>>337892784
>this person agrees with this person
>SAMEFAGSAMEFAGSAMEFAG
also there's been almost 10 games since 10 years ago, how fucking old are you?
>>337892975
New Super Mario Bros
What the fuck are you talking about
>>337873127
>Classic mode was less fun on the Wii U version than the 3ds.
>Party mode sucked.
>Events weren't as fun as Melee's.
>Unlock conditions for characters weren't interesting, ends up feeling like tedious busy work unlocking them all.
>Same goes for completing all the challenges.
>3DS in general had more fun modes than WiiU for some reason, as if all the good ideas went into that version.
>>337892862
TAC is literally poorman's Kirby
what was the point of Copy in SS/SSU anyways?
>unfunny trophy descriptions instead of informative ones
>removal of Captain Wario color
>menu screen layout looks like a bunch of magnets randomly placed on a refridgerator
>Ice Climbers getting removed
>3DS version ruined the console version
>removal of story mode that got replaced with nothing
And the last one I don't think is actually a problem but the amount of "generic anime sword users" bothers ME.
>>337893170
To be able to copy abilities freely in Milky Way Wishes.
>>337873127
Soundtrack choices
Stages were mostly recycled, because lord knows everyone was just DYING to play Orbital Gate.
Trophies were more inspired than Brawl but still phoned in compared to Melee.
Sakurai acting like a little bitch about the internet spoiling games, yet the same git overlooks the fact that it's used to look up games Nintendo didn't release in the US, as though referencing something old or Japan only would be catastrophical these days.
Some Omega stages are actually LESS feasible for 8P Smash than their vanilla counterparts.
>>337893170
Milky Way Wishes I think. You can't copy abilities normally. I guess it's for if you MUST have Paint or Cook Kirby.
>>337893029
Oh, shit. My bad. I thought you were talking about Kirby.
Yes, but every recent Mario game is cut from the same mold, it's the same shit. Sticker Star was New Super Paper Mario, nothing new storywise happened. 3D Land and World was New Super 3D Mario. They've been using the same shit, just different consoles for years now.
Meanwhile, Kirby is getting new entries that actually feel different, with new minigames, new copy abilities (and not just one extra fursuit of some kind, unlike Mario), new, actually creative environments, boss battles, final bosses, songs, and characters.
>>337893170
TAC was objectively the best partner by a country mile. I mean... You DID play Super Star with a friend, didn't you?
>>337873127
>Smash Run is only on 3DS
>Smash Run isn't online
>Smash Run involves powering up for 5 minutes for a match that lasts a minute at most
>the drop rate on hats were originally so abysmal that you had to farm them with amiibo in order to get all of them
>some moves and characters are so unbelieably bad that it feels like they intentionally left it that way
>Samus's jab combo can't even actually combo, and there's a "hint" in the game telling you not to combo it (what the actual fuck)
>Zelda
>there's no way they thought Sheik would be balanced
Just fuck, man.
>>337892216
Not true at all, dude. There are plenty of better series like Donkey Kong, and Kirby would be so much better if it had a more creative risk taking director like Sakurai or Shimomura. Kirby is stagnating almost as much as Mario, and they keep getting easier too.
>>337893224
>unfunny trophy descriptions instead of informative ones
>3DS version ruined the console version
Fucking these.
I wanted to punch a wall when I saw that "handheld and console stage" bullshit.
>Bowser, Donkey Kong, Diddy, and more all use shitty Realistic Sound Clips
I want "BRWAAAAA" Bowser, not this generic dragon bullshit!
>>337893727
>SHOWTIME
>YAAHWEEHAH
>>337893349
I don't care if people shit on Sticker Star but at least do it right. If Sticker Star did anything notable it was deviating from regular Paper Mario. Whether or not it paid off is beside the point. If it was New Super Paper Mario it would be rehashing the previous games and adding a new "power-up" or 2 (partners) which is ironically exactly what people want.
And 3D Land is actually novel for the series. A 3D Mario game with full focus on platforming hasn't been pulled off like that yet.
You're a superficial faggot that probably haven't even played these games. It's almost as if you're missing the fucking point of a Mario game.
So if they reskinned New Super Mario Bros with a futuristic background and visual style would you complain? Even if it plays EXACTLY the same? Oh man what if some notBowser fuccboi decides to kidnap Peach this time?
>music choices could've been better
>shortening new and existing tracks was fucking stupid
>still hasn't fixed ROB's eyes on Wii U
>being able to get duplicate custom moves
>Squenix only allowing two fucking songs in with no remixes
>weird voice filter on Dedede
I'm still having fun with it but I'm really looking forward to Minus Sm4sh, if it ever comes out.
>>337874520
Fucking sad, really.
I liked when Trophies were a museum and not passive ad space.
>>337893912
>So if they reskinned New Super Mario Bros with a futuristic background and visual style would you complain? Even if it plays EXACTLY the same? Oh man what if some notBowser fuccboi decides to kidnap Peach this time?
>mfw people still don't realize Sunshine also has the same Grass World > Beach World > Ghost House > Water World > Mushroom World > Bowser World shit but in a tropical setting
>>337893537
Donkey Kong is alright, but Tropical Freeze feels more like a shitty rehash than Kirby Robobot does.
>>337894275
anon, don't pretend older smashes trophies weren't ads either
Melee had ton of trophies from unreleased GCN games
>>337893912
>So if they reskinned New Super Mario Bros with a futuristic background and visual style would you complain? Even if it plays EXACTLY the same? Oh man what if some notBowser fuccboi decides to kidnap Peach this time?
Add in some game-defining clunky superficial gimmick, make it twice as hard to lose your power-up or get hurt, and throw in lots of nostalgia pandering, then we're good. Repeat this process for every new game.
>>337893912
Sticker Star's environments, characters, and overall plot was literally New Super Mario Bros. I played and beat Sticker Star two times. Fuck off.
And no, I wouldn't fucking complain. If they made a New Super Mario Bros game that wasn't just "fight this koopaling in the plains world, then this one at desert, then this one at ocean", no I wouldn't complain, because that would open up for interesting shit, like powerups that aren't more fucking fursuits, and actually unique things that I haven't seen in the past 4 games. Someone other than fucking Bowser being the antagonist would be VERY interesting. We haven't had a classic Mario game without Bowser since the fucking second one for NES, and that one actually gave you NEW things, like picking shit up, and different characters that actually do different things. And 3 actually changed even more, with fucking World Maps and airship levels and those minigames on the maps.
Super Mario as a franchise has become boring and uninspired, because the fuckers keep using the same resources, models, formulas, and environments. At least the Kirby games actually shake things up, and when they do, fuckers like >>337892592 get mad.
>>337894403
How so?
>>337894481
Yes, but it was for their own shit. That's okay. It made no sense for Commander Video and Rayman, though. Other than try to appease weeping 3rd parties with a piss poor attempt to promote sales on their piece of shit hardware.
>>337893912
TTYD wasn't a rehash though, it took shit from the previous game and added on to it, which is what a sequel SHOULD do.
Sticker Star deviated so much that it entirely lost it's focus and the harm that made the first two games so good.
>>337879516
You are just shitposting again, /x/.
>64 had the easier combos and best balance, and the second best roster
>Melee had the retarded crazy speed but terrible balance and broken unfnished roster/game with the worst possible roster
>Brawl had a very slow gameplay, yet a funtional roster altough it had the most OP character, but still had a lot of content and probabilly the best SP content and the best roster as of now.
>Sm4sh has the speed between 64 and Melee, overall good balance specially compared to the last two games, the best music, third place on roster, the most content of all the series with a lot of varied gameplay thanks to the 58 characters, post game content altough expensive, stages and stage maker, patches and 8 players smash.
>You get to see Mario, Sonic, Pacman, Megaman, Ryu, Cloud, Bayonetta and Snaek (as a gunner :^), all in the same place, fighting.
Sm4sh is objectivly the best one overall.
>>337879516
>>337894726
>objectively
please stop
>>337894642
>Yes, but it was for their own shit. That's okay.
it's still advertising, m8. don't even bring in your purist hate into this. same kind of shit, like Roy also being included to help promote the first western release of FE GBA.
>>337894587
Actually, scratch that; I actually forgot it did add some new shit like Cranky being playable.
I guess the better argument would be that Tropical Freeze just feels, off. It doesn't feel like the original Rareware games to me. And it felt like they were trying really hard to make it different from the last game when they didn't really need to.
Planet Robobot felt like it fixed a lot of the problems from the last two games my making the Armor more relevant and not as scripted.
my biggest gripe with Smash4 is I dont enjoy playing it as much as Playstation All Stars.
>>337893517
>Samus is OP!
>oh wait that's in 4 player FFA's with all items on and someone can just stand far away and snipe
>>337894256
>minus sm4sh
>>337894971
>Playstation All-Stars
What?
>>337894971
even Sony regrets doing PSASBR
>>337895101
citation needed
>half the roster is anime op sword garbage
>the other half is for half of it garbage
>online is laggy, even with the best connection
>even so, if you happen to find a decent connection, all you can play is for glory
>shitty posers tryhards smelly neckbeards with their falcun / zss / whatever
>or childrens with link and samus spamming b at random
>competitive scene is dead
>game is dead
>console is dead
Thank god I sold the whole shit before the nx was announced, I didn't lose too much money, and I couldn't be happier with my ps4.you know I'm right, smelly neckbeard, dont' even try to sperg about how this is bait
The Stage Builder is somehow worse than Brawl's. Sure, you can draw the stage, but it won't BE in that shape. You can't draw a large mass and take an eraser to it to make pits or halls, because that'll delete the entire mass. That and there are far less options to work with
>>337894896
Well okay but Planet Robobot just feels, off. It doesn't feel like the original Hal games to me. And it felt like they were trying really hard to make it just like the last games when they didn't really need to.
Tropical Freeze felt like it fixed a lot of the problems from the last game my making the platforms more dynamic and not as sterile.
>>337895201
Ok dude, it's not bait.
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>>337895201
>>337894971
>the sad gay couple that still gripping on PSASBR
>>337895201
>I couldn't be happier with my ps4.
What's so good about it? All I have is Binding of Isaac, Super Meat Boy, and Don't Starve. It seems like a lot of the games on there get a better experience when played on PC.
>>337894726
>>337894791
It is objectively the best one, and you can't prove me wrong, anon.
Also, forgot to add how Smash 64 has the second best artsyle and best sounds, while Melee and Brawl look like dogshit and Sm4sh has the best artsyle in a smash game. It only looks bellow decent with realistic characters, specially Bayo but it is still a god tier artstyle, now in 1080p.
>>337895318
prove me wrong.
oh, wait...
>>337895358
>psasbr
Nigger if i want to have some fun I just fire up melee on an emulator
>>337895301
Both Kirby and Donkey Kong don't need to have a dramatic change.
Both series' gameplay has been solid enough to not warrant a change.
The only change I could be happy with would be the move to full-3d, but I'm scared that they could easily fuck it up.
The exact same shit happened with Sonic with SA1 and I don't want that to happen with Kirby.
>>337895402
brawl had best artstyle
melee had best sounds
>>337895410
>Nigger if i want to have some fun I just fire up melee on an emulator
>not owning a Wii
>not owning actual Melee
>>337895551
>Brawl had the best artstyle
Nigger that shit has aged like milk, even Melee doesn't look that shit.
>>337895587
>owning a Wii
>being on /v/
It isn't summer already, why are the millennials already here?
>>337895402
Melee was the best one the rest are great though except for brawl. its just my opinion though i cant shit on your opinion for liking smash 4 i think its okay by the way
>>337895618
melee looks even worse man
brawl looked awesome
>>337895708
LOOK at gameplay of Brawl and tell me those textures don't make you want to puke.
Easily one of the worst looking games on the Wii because of "muh realism"
>>337895519
You could say that about Dream Land 1 back in the day, or Adventure after that, or Super Star after that. It's just a cheap excuse to make uninspired games.
>>337895551
>brawl had best artstyle
Hold it right there you dummy.
Brawl has possibly the worst design out of any smash game because it tried to go for a more realistic, detailed look. This is made worse by the fact that the Wii couldn't handle respectable texture sizes without a performance impact.
>>337895180
they loved it so much they shut down the studio before all the DLC was out
love it when people posting retarded images tend to post the wildest opinions out there
>>337895775
>>337895827
i actually play project m more than brawl, i actually rarely played brawl
i just really like the realist artstyle, i think it was a step forward in terms of what a fighting game with nintendo characters should look like
>>337895894
Kwigo did nothing wrong
>>337895796
Ok, one; All three of those games are fucking amazing, so I don't know what you're implying there.
Two; Super Star is nothing like Adventure OR Dreamland, have you even fucking played it?
That's like saying Kirby and the Amazing Mirror is the exact same as Kirby and the Crystal Shards.
>>337895971
>i actually play project m more than brawl,
It's still the same graphics unless you go out of your way to mod that too.
>>337895775
I REPEAT: This is Not, I mean, NOT, real life.
>>337895971
Only normies like that style Anon.
It looks incredibly out of place and ages really badly. Stylized art is the way to go because it looks nice and almost always looks nice. See: Wind Waker.
>>337879186
I will never understand the argument that Sakurai didn't put effort into this game when he was literally killing himself for it
I mean shit, I miss Adventure Mode too and a lot of characters I wanted didn't get in, but Sm4sh is full of content. For fucks sake, every new addition has a TON of effort put into them short of the clones.
I honestly don't understand the blanket hate this game gets on /v/ yet somehow /v/eekend threads are ALWAYS full. Is it just anons being contrarian?
>>337895201
I am going to take this one for you guys. I am failing for the bait.
>>half the roster is anime op sword garbage
There is 10 characters that fight with swords, which is not surprising because most of the characters in smash come from fantasy settings. Only Cloud is on the top 5 of the tiers, then there is Metaknight, Corrin and Ike in the top 25 at most.
>>the other half is for half of it garbage
What?
>>online is laggy, even with the best connection
What is smash ladder? I doubt you even play Melee now.
>>even so, if you happen to find a decent connection, all you can play is for glory
Hahahaha, this nigger.
>>shitty posers tryhards smelly neckbeards with their falcun / zss / whatever
So you are shit at the game so you hate it?
>>or childrens with link and samus spamming b at random
You are shit at the game.
>>competitive scene is dead
First off, its obvious that you are a twitchfag, and you just lie watching smash, mostly Melee even tough you don't play it. Second, its not.
>>game is dead
I am pretty sure Wii U version sold +4 million and the 3DS sold more than 8 million, thats pretty good.
>>console is dead
At least Mario Kart, Splatoon, Mario Maker and Sm4sh still have a lot of people online constantly playing it.
>>337895987
That's the entire point you absolute dork.
>>337896139
What IS your point then?
>>337896094
i mean, smash 4's art style is cool, but i just really liked brawl's too. melee looks weird after playing it now, and 64 is 64.
>>337896118
You can kill yourself over a piece of art and still make shit choices, famalamadingdong.
>>337896218
Smash 64 has a fucking classic artstyle, it's hard to describe but it's great
>>337896216
>Both Kirby and Donkey Kong don't need to have a dramatic change.
>Both series' gameplay has been solid enough to not warrant a change.
>You could say that about Dream Land 1 back in the day, or Adventure after that, or Super Star after that. It's just a cheap excuse to make uninspired games
If you still don't understand, I suggest you lurk until you develop decent reading comprehension.
>>337896380
>If you still don't understand, I suggest you lurk until you develop decent reading comprehension.
That's a really mean thing to say.
You should apologize.
>>337896286
I think what makes smash 64 special is everything but the graphics (or the character models at least)
The music, sound effects, menus and HUD are all unique and it suits the atmosphere.
>>337896123
>At least Mario Kart, Splatoon, Mario Maker and Sm4sh still have a lot of people online constantly playing it.
the GCN, Wii, DS and 3DS had more people playing a bunch of more games than just fucking smash, mario, and one new IP
this is just embarassing
>>337896451
I'm sorry, but it's true.
>>337896532
you should take the Wii off that list senpai
>>337895551
>>337895697
>Melee
>Best on sounds or artstyle
Hahahaha, yeah I sure enjoyed mexican Mario and Luigi, that disgusting dark green Yoshi, whatever they did to Bowser because of they wanted to make him creepy, plastic Samus, and those shit proportioned pokemon.
And 64 is SUPERIOR to any smash game soundwise. Sm4sh has the special sound effects for characters, but 64 has almost everything perfected.
>Brawl had best artsyle
>MUH 480P REALISM
Literatly the meaning of overdesigned shit. Great, they fixed Mario, but now they made him use realistic clothes on a character that is meant to look toony. That goes for 90% of the roster. It only looks good on Snake, Marth, Ike, ZSS and Samus, maybe Zelda and Sheik too.
>>337895971
Please don't tell me that shit like Brawl T. Link or Lucas with RELISTIC HAIR TEXTURES look better than their sm4sh counterparts.
>>337886937
>we got Cloud instead of FF1's Warrior or Black Mage, or FF3's Onion Knight
>We got a FF character from the series' shift to Sony instead of ones that actually appeared on Nintendo consoles
>>337896380
But Dreamland, Adventure, and Super Star all have the same basic mechanics, which is sucking enemies.
The difference is the mechanics built around it.
Adventure added Copy Abilities
Dreamland 2 & 3 added Animal Buddies
Super Star added Helpers
64 added Ability Mixing
Amazing Mirror added Multiplayer
Squeak Squad added Copy Bubbles
Return to Dreamland added Dedede, Meta Knight, and Waddle Dee as major playable characters.
Triple Deluxe added Hypernova
Robobot added the Armor Modes.
Almost every Kirby game is different went it comes to mechanics, but the main core gameplay is still the same.
So what's so rehashy about them now?
>>337896748
i will admit, toon link in brawl looked like shit
lucas was fine though
>>337896701
butthurt much?
>>337896748
Your right about the rest, but Mewtwo looks better in Melee than he does in Sm4sh.
>>337896785
Can you imagine the backlash though if any other Final Fantasy character instead of Cloud was chosen for Smash? Everyone's pipe dream was Cloud.
>>337886937
>>337896785
>being a purist
>implying generic avatars (who look good as potiental costumes) could beat Cloud)
>>337896945
>Everyone's pipe dream was Cloud
That's a funny way to spell Cicil, Terra, and Black Mage.
>>337896812
Those are gross generalizations, each of those games added a lot more than that.
>>337889984
I don't see how, he'd be Bowser size.
OoT Ganon is pretty much the only truly giant bipedal Ganon. NES/LttP/ALBW style would be perfectly fine.
>>337894642
Gaijin Games begged and nagged for that cameo like the cameo sluts they are. Rayman's cameo was a showing of goodwill to Ubisoft.
>>337896876
>much?
You should take your signature Australian argumentative skills and return to reddit
>>337897061
I know that, the point is that Kirby has played pretty much the same since Super Star and no one complained about it.
>>337897035
>That's a funny way to spell Cicil, Terra, and Black Mage.
are FF6fags still in their cave on how popular FF6 was overseas and back?
also, people latched on Black Mage because of Vivi and Super Smash Flash 2
>>337894508
I can't wait for them to break out the ol' Zero nostalgia pandering in Triple Deluxe 3. I mean Return to Dream Land 4.
>>337897145
guess that's a yes then, m80?
>>337897182
No one thought Cloud would get in because of Sony.
People latched on to those characters because they were from a Nintendo Console.
>>337894508
So like, every Kirby game since fucking Dreamland 3?
>>337897156
People have been, actually.
>>337894508
>>337897237
>if it has anything from previous games, it's nostalgia pandering
>>337890267
I get where you're coming from, but they're honestly all pretty famous characters, not just within Zelda, but they're known amongst general video game fans. Especially Skull Kid & Midna.
For fucks sake, Sheik has the same number of appearances as them. Also, while we're on the subject, I don't get how the FUCK sheik was given a full unique moveset when she literally did nothing but play a harp and throw a deku nut, but Ganondorf is a last minute clone despite being able to reflect projectiles, throw lightning balls, ground pound shockwaves, fly, etc in OoT alone.
>>337873127
>are some of the little, insignificant things that bother you about Smash 4?
-Dlcs
-amiibo
>>337897341
Only recently though.
Everyone praises the fuck out of Super Star, 64, and Amazing Mirror.
>>337896532
The GCN, Wii and DS technically don't have online for shit, so I don't know exactly what you mean here.
If you mean single player games, there is a lot.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wii_U-only_games
Bayonetta 2, Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze, Fast Racing Neo, Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water, Kirby and the Rainbow Curse, HD, Zelda remakes, Lego City Undercover, Lost Reavers, Mario Kart 8, New Super Mario Bros. U, Nintendo Land, Pikmin 3, Splatoon, Star Fox Zero, Super Mario 3D World, Super Mario Maker, The Wonderful 101, Xenoblade Chronicles X and Yoshi's Woolly World are some good ones.
>>337896846
Pic related. Those are probabilly nostalgia googles. Also, think of Sonic or Kirby.
>>337896938
Most say that is an opinion from me, so yes. I do preffer small headed Sm4sh Mewtwo, than huge head Melee one, it just looks bad after looking it back.
>>337894538
The main difference between Kirby and Mario is one actively tries hiding their stagnation.
>>337897365
because Shiek a cute
>>337897432
eh, both of their hair is fine to me. in fact smash 4's kind of looks like his hair is just clay
>>337897237
Access Ark and his fight was literally somewhat pandering to 02/Kirby 64
>>337897351
>if it lazily shoehorns in shit that was already neatly wrapped up from previous games that don't work in this location or context, it isn't nostalgia pandering
>>337896993
>if we limit our choices to characters who appeared on a Nintendo console, we'd end up with Bartz from FFV or the Onion Knight from FFIII - how would that work?
Sakurai confirmed for not knowing shit about Final Fantasy. Onion Knight and Bartz are both literally freelancer characters and could be used to represent all of the series' iconic abilities, and would have ended up being way more interesting than Cloud.
>>337897365
because Sheik is just Zelda in a costume, why care about that?
>>337873127
>*smaller* things that really grind your gears
The name itself.
Smash 4 or Smash for Wii or DS or whatever is annoying as fuck
why couldn't they just keep going with some actual title like melee or brawl
>>337897534
literally what is shoehorned in Robobot
everything from the previous games has an explanation, Dark Matter and Sectonia are clones meant to prove the admin's worth, Star Dream looks like NOVA because Haltmann was trying to grant the wish of seeing his daughter again by rebuilding it
>>337897504
Access Ark is more referencing NOVA as a whole.
>>337897534
Most of the shit that returned in Robobot wasn't actually any of the characters.
Dark Matter and Sectonia were both clones, and Star Dream isn't the same as Nova.
>>337897571
It's not about gameplay potential, it's about being recognizable enough so everybody wants to buy the DLC.Or be a good enough advertisement for an upcoming game.
>>337897415
People have been complaining since about RtDL
64 is fundamentally different than the other Kirby's in terms of game design, and Amazing Mirror isn't really popular enough to get praise. It's ranked kinda low amongst many Kirby fags, too. It's fine though.
>>337897504
That makes no sense. The fights are completely different. He looks fucking nothing like 02;
>>337897571
even Nomura/SE thought using Terra and Cecil instead wouldn't hold up as Cloud does.
>>337897734
Amazing Mirror is usually loved by Kirbyfags though, the fuck are you talking about? It's Squeak Squad that gets the most hate, and that's only because it's short and the final boss is mediocre.
And despite the rehash bullshit, Return to Dreamland was pretty fucking good, it just didn't need the Deluxe Copy Abilities.
>>337897365
>but they're known amongst general video game fans.
stretching it
>>337897716
>>337897801
so we get another sword character for the ff7 fans autismbux instead of something more interesting. I'm not arguing that point but it's still fucking lame.
>>337897924
Why do people keep comparing Return to Dreamland, Triple Deluxe, and Robobot anyway? The only thing they have that's similar is their graphics and art styles.
>>337897660
>Dark Matter clone
>uses phase 2 attacks in phase 1
>uses the rainbow sword as a weapon
>Shouldn't even be able to live at all since Zero is dead forever
>It's way 2 small
>It's way 2 easy
That little reappearance was pretty fucking embarrassing imo. Would have been cooler if it made some mythical looking sword fighting samurai demon thing we've never seen before after eluding to its backstory.
You cant assign favourite alts to names
>>337897924
>it just didn't need the Deluxe Copy Abilities.
the Super Abilities shit
>>337897970
don't be a hipster
>>337898047
That's really it aside from the way kirby controls.
>>337898115
What ever the fuck they're called, they're still scripted as hell.
>>337897351
>look guys KABOOOOOLA remember this thing?
>let's bring Dark Mater back for no apparent reason but deeeeeeepest lore right?
>you liked Sectonia from the last game? here fight her again.
Next game is going to have Nightmare, Zero Two, and Marx. And don't forget Dark Meta Knight's pointless cameo in Triple Deluxe. Let's bring him back for safe measure.
Oh and
>literally an entire mode for fighting recycled bosses EXCEPT WITH FOUR PLAYERS
>>337898068
>Shouldn't be able to live at all since Zero is dead forever.
It's a clone. Not the real thing.
>It's way too small
It's a clone.
>It's way too easy.
It's a clone.
The fucking point of the battle is that it's a clone. The whole thing couldn't be cloned because Dark Matter is so fucked up, so it could only clone the Swordsman form and nothing else. It's not capable of being as big or as powerful as the original.
>>337897924
I was talking about the truth, it's usually treated with indifference. And Squeak Squad doesn't get the most hate, Avalanche and Rainbow Curse do.
>>337897970
>implying Terra wouldn't be pre-Sm4sh Zelda
>>337898068
>Would have been cooler if it made some mythical looking sword fighting samurai demon thing we've never seen before after eluding to its backstory.
That would have been retarded and came out of fucking nowhere, it wouldn't have fit at all.
It would make more sense just to have some sort of robot guard.
Shitty selection of Pokemon music
>No Kanto Gym battle
>No Champion Blue theme
>No Mewtwo's theme from Stadiun
>No Hoenn Gym battle
>>337898268
I literally haven't mentioned Terra at all? I was advocating for the freelancer characters or FF1 characters that would be better for representing the series as a whole?
>>337898229
Dude, they're fucking clones.
see >>337897660
Kabula was a MACHINE. The Company assimilated it as a weapon.
Dark Meta Knight's cameo wasn't pointless. Sectonia had been gazing into the Dimension Mirror before the events of the game, which caused her to turn into a villain. During Dededetour her mirror version and Dedede's mirror version break out and try to take over Floralia again, all part of an elaborate plan for Dark Meta Knight to break out of the mirror and take revenge or whatever. Him and the Dimension Mirror are kind of the entire reason the events of the game happened.
>>337898237
Okay apologist. It It was only implied it can't go phase 2, not that it's supposed to be some sort if weak mutant.
>>337898229
I actually like that they bring back old bosses because they're pretty much acknowledging that they do have fans who've been with the series for twenty or so years as opposed to other Nintendo series that seem to want to pretend that those fans don't exist.
And there's still a lot of new stuff alongside the old stuff, so the pandering is like a side dish to an already solid game.
>>337898229
>look guys KABOOOOOLA remember this thing?
That fits because she's a god damn mechanical thing and she's only been used twice in the entire series.
>let's bring Dark Mater back for no apparent reason but deeeeeeepest lore right?
>you liked Sectonia from the last game? here fight her again.
Both this shit was explained, the Access Ark wanted to see Meta Knight's worth so he replicated some of the strongest sword-wielders in existence.
>And don't forget Dark Meta Knight's pointless cameo in Triple Deluxe.
Good to know you haven't played either of the fucking games.
>>337898336
Onion Knight/any of the FF1 avatars sounds as good being Mii Fighter costumes in Smash
>>337898485
>uh oh, i don't have a rebuttal
>better call him an apologist
>>337898286
>robot that has been all over the galaxy clones powerful things
>ONLY created things we've seen before though
>expanding the universe by adding new, possibly recurring threats would be retarded
Yeah okay
>>337898609
If you have no imagination/don't know shit about final fantasy/are sakurai, sure
>>337898618
So you only read the first 2 words of that post
>>337898485
Apologist? Apologizing for what? Apologizing for a cool, justified character cameo with some neat music in a cool game?
Jesus christ.
>>337898645
Except Haltmann Corp itself is a new possibly recurring threat. Are you even paying attention?
>>337898781
And now it isn't.
>>337898645
Dark Matter is possibly one of the most powerful things in fucking Kirby Universe.
this entire thread has devolved into idiots who haven't kirby games arguing over kirby games
never change, /v/
I've just come to accept that while each Smash Bros. game after the first one is fine, there's loads of little things they were completely lazy and half-assed with. Whether it be creating a useless 3DS port that gimped the console version and removed characters and changed how other played, to being lazy and not giving clone characters their own move sets, to being lazy and creating even more clones, to being lazy and ripping models from recent games in a series, to being lazy and not giving enough franchises more trophies, to being lazy and putting a whole bunch of non-remixed music in the game just to take up space.
>>337898840
Which is why it's cool to bring it back as a pitifully weak cameo boss?
>>337898229
desu this is a series that's been built on re-using boss battles
>>337898832
How do you know that? Do you work for HAL?
We don't see Susie die, in fact, we explicitly see her flying away.
>>337897925
I dunno man, the other day I was at the mall walking past ahot topicand there was literally Majora's Mask stuff in the window
thats definitely more a general vidya interest thing
>>337898771
But it's a lame, unjustified character cameo with some eh music in a cool game.
Oy vey.
>>337898914
He's weak because he's a clone.
Hell if anything, it's just HAL saying they'll shit shit back from the Dreamland area, which is something people didn't think they would do.
>>337898708
being real here anon, they just end up as costumes solely just because they're just generic avatars.
Sakurai nor SE isn't dense on Onion Knight in Smash however, when it comes to FF no FF protag can't stand a chance with Cloud.
>Play Toon Link
>His PJs from wind waker aren't in his alternate costumes/colours
Are you fucking serious? Seriously, how did they get that wrong?
>>337898468
>>337898530
It doesn't matter if they're clones. Having them come back as clones is a lazy excuse to nostalgia pander.
If Zero came back because there happened to be some Dark Matter left on at the far reaches of space would it be ok? What if Marx's identical twin brother came back to avenge him? Deepest lore right?
Kirby lore is written as it conveniently fits. How fucking convenient that Star Dream happens to have DNA samples of a long extinct race and long dried up flower. How convenient that they just so happen to have a security system that looks just like Pix. How convenient that it summons holograms of bosses Kirby faced before like Kracko, Ice Dragon, those Holo Doomers, and that snake fuck from Triple Deluxe.
Splitting the game up was a huge mistake. As was 8-Player Brawl and that shitty Smash Board game. So many wasted resources.
>>337899074
>Eh Music
How's about you fuck off?
I've been wanting that track remixed decently for years and I finally got it.
>>337898229
On the subject of Dark Matter, I feel like they brought it back purely to establish that the Dark Matter trilogy happened since before this game, it seemed like its own completely separate continuity with only small nods to it in later games.
>>337899186
there is literally nothing wrong with 8-player brawl
>>337899105
Lame excuse, clones aren't inherently weaker than the originals. Might as well just say "it's weak because it just is this time"
I look forward to you repeating "it's a clone" Ad nauseam as if it's a valid point. Again, it's only genetic flaw that was mentioned was that it isn't able to achieve its true form.
>>337899153
Why does it even matter to you this fucking much?
It's not like that was the only shit that was added to this game. Hell even if you removed the pandering it'd still be a solid 8/10 game.
Why is HAL saying "Hey fans, we know you exist" such a horrid thing to you?
Jesus Christ dude, grow up.
>>337899415
How about the dumbass stage selection limits and the cockteasing in that it turns off stage hazards
mods let you use every stage in 8 player smash with no discernable performance difference btw
>>337899428
The game explains that it couldn't fully replicated it because of how extreme Dark Matter is.
>>337899201
It was remixed decently, but not greatly. It could have been better.
>>337899153
>If Zero came back because there happened to be some Dark Matter left on at the far reaches of space would it be ok? What if Marx's identical twin brother came back to avenge him? Deepest lore right?
Who the hell says they wouldn't be able to implement either of those ideas as a good plot point? Why do you get so asspained at the idea of continuity? The point of the Dark Matte clone is what it insinuates; the Haltmann Works Company HAD to have been around during Dreamland 2, 3, or 64 in order to clone them, which means they've known about Pop-Star for a while now. The True Arena description for the Holo Defense API even says that they found blueprints FOR Pix, and that's how they made it. And the only reason the Holo Doomers were possible to turn into holograms is because Susie was in Another Dimension at some point, which further implies she may have been there during Return to Dreamland.
>>337899504
Hence not achieving it's true form.
>>337899514
I'll agree on that at least, but fuck it I'll take what I can get.
>>337898990
>I dunno man, the other day I was at the mall walking past ahot topicand there was literally Majora's Mask stuff in the window
cool, now tell about things like MM being as a common cameo in non-nintendo games like Dark Souls or some random yet popular indie game on PS4/Steam.
>>337873127
The worst mode in the game, Smash Tour, has a final battle which uses a cool multi-character stock battle, but you can't use that battle type outside that mode.
What the actual fuck.
>>337899587
So what are you complaining about?
>Access Ark tried to replicate it, but couldn't because Dark Matter was to hostile so it could only replicate part of it, that's why it's weaker and can't transform into it's Orb Form
There's your explanation, what more do you fucking want dude?
Working most of the game around the default 2-minute time smash setting:
>Editing songs longer than 2 minutes and some newly composed songs less than 2 minutes don't loop seamlessly
>Online matchmaking modes that aren't 1v1 For Glory are 2 minutes
>Transition stages loop in less than 2 minutes
>Sky/Screen KOs are no longer guaranteed because they worried about time scam in the last few seconds of a match, an okay idea yet they left it to RNG to determine it for the entire game
>Wario Waft taking ~1:50 to be fully charged without constant eating
>Smash Balls take too many hits to break, don't stay on the screen long enough, and if you manage to use the final smash and it's a transformation it will only last around 10-15 seconds. All that pretty much means you are never going to successfully use a Final Smash on a large stage
Unrelated to the 2-minute stuff, Items are not good at all in this game. They're not chaotic or crazy anymore, now it's 2 or 3 items spawning at a time. And no more Fan or Cracker Launcher, just really stupid ones like Gust Bellows and the Kid Icarus Uprising items (because they all suck). Maybe you'll see a Smash Ball once every 5 matches if you're lucky. I don't even want to see how slow they appear when the items option isn't set to high.
>>337873127
FE: Fates has one of my favorite soundtracks I've ever heard in a video game, so getting 50,000 versions of Lost In Thoughts All Alone instead of Alight, Marth's Theme, End Of All, or the other phenomenal tracks on that OST still pisses me off to this day
Still think we should've gotten a map based on Valla, the opera house, or the Chasm as well
>>337899430
If any other series did the same thing with nostalgia pandering I'd bet you'd bitch about it.
You fags get too lenient on this series. Just look at how often HAL gets their cock sucked here.
If Starfox, Pokemon, Zelda, and Mario can't get away with nostalgia pandering, Kirby shouldn't either.
That and you basically admitted they did pander.
>>337900097
Not him, but I'd actually be pretty happy if Mario returned to it's older roots. If Wart was back or something like that, I'd shit my pants.
Sucks to suck, and by that I mean sucks to be a pessimistic bitch who whines about "-*nostalgia pandering*-" in a Nintendo game.
>>337900097
Not him, but I honestly don't give two fucks about pandering if the game is fun to play.
Kirby, Mario, and Zelda are all still fun to play, and Pokemon could be too if S&M learns from Gen 6's missteps
>>337900097
The difference is that Kirby at least TRIES to give an explanation as to why shit is brought back, and actually adds a fuck load of NEW shit on top of it.
Mario and Star Fox don't work because hastily bring shit back like the Raccoon Leaf or the Chicken Walker and then don't add anything new on top of it.
>>337899521
Continuity is great, when it feels natural and then story, you know, actually continues instead of just repeating itself over and over. I like Dedede's development as a character, I like them Dark Matter trilogy's plotline, I like how Ado/Adeleine became friends with Kirby and Dedede after meeting them in DL3, I like how their fountain of dreams returned to power NOVA. I don't like them idea of old dead villains like Zero or Nightmare returning just because they're popular, it seems disingenuous to me. Especially since their stories were fantastic, self-contained, and wrapped up well. I don't like how every little plot point ever is starting to be tied together into a gnarly spider Web instead of just letting things come as they come, and leaving them as they are for later.
I think a good way way to revisit them older games would be things like revisiting and finding new locations on Ripple Star, expand expand on some older, non-important characters like Iron Mam, little things like that
>>337900017
The design of Valla itself is a spoiler, and the opera house probably would've just been like the water segments of Delfino
An Infinite Chasm map would've been fucking hype though, I'm pretty disappointed we didn't get that
>>337899764
A challenging, in-character fight worthy of Dark Matter's legacy, at their the very least.
Remember when people thought Robobot was going to have MOSTLY models and textures directly ripped from Triple Deluxe?
Then it turned out that 98% of the game entirely new, even adding new models for older bosses.
>>337900485
And we'll get that whenever they decide to being the real Dark Matter back, again, that was HAL saying they have no problems bringing him back.
>>337899521
That's just deepest lore headcanon you came up with that HAL expertly crafted you into coming up with. So they were there watching Kirby the whole fucking time but had zero (hue) presence in any of those games? That's pretty damn convenient. Let's rewrite previously established games.
Next you'll tell me Marx is originally a time traveler from the future which is now the present and Kirby's second encounter with him is actually Marx's first encounter with Kirby. After getting defeated the first time he tries going back to stop Kirby from the past.
Instead of simply being an excuse for Kirby to fight him again.
>>337900370 (Me)
Sorry for the typos, I'm currently drowning my sorrows about a terminal illness.
>>337884301
Who's the second Sega rep?
>>337900653
Captain Falcon
>>337900485
>We will never get an actually challenging boss fight with Dark Nebula
>>337900280
>mario
>explaining anything
Do you know how fucking terrible it would be if Nintendo tried to give Mario a consistent lore?
Other than that I can agree
>The Dededeposter is the one how thinks Kirby is shit
You can't make this up.
>>337900280
That's just them actively hiding their bullshit. Mario and Starfox don't give a fuck and do it anyways. So HAL gets scot-free with everything they do because they put a coat of paint and "continuity" every game?
>a thread about people complaining
>around 500 replies
What the fuck /v/. Just what the fuck.
>>337900810
This is actually the 2nd thread, the 1st one hit the post limit.
>>337900786
>criticizing things you're not happy about in your favorite series means you must think it's allshit
How much of a hyper-sensitice cocksucker do you even have to be to think like this
>>337897365
i don't see why appearances should matter to Shiek when she's just Zelda in a magical costume.
literally like arguing that Waluigi's in more Mario games than Dr. Mario, when it's still Mario himself but in another spinoff.
>>337900786
No one said it's shit. It's calling Kirbyfags out for their hypocritical bullshit and constantly cocksucking HAL despite their bullshit.
>>337900370
This southern gent is correct.
>>337900787
I'd rather them try then just add it for the sake of adding it.
And why is having shit return such a bad thing when again, new shit as added to compensate?
And why are you complaining about it now?
>Sqeak Squad
>Ugh! Krako AGAIN?! And look, they made him some sort of Mouse Machine, what a lazy excuse.
>Super Star
>Oh my fucking god, they brought back Kabula, wooowwwwww... Bravo HAL, you really did it this time!
>>337900617
No, they never watched Kirby, because Susie and Haltmann never even refer to him as that. They don't know Kirby. The point here is that Magolor talks about ancients and shit, but with Haltmann kind of rebuilding NOVA it's pretty obvious who the Ancients were.
So what if it's headcanon shit? If I like it, why does that matter? So fucking what if a clone of Dark Matter is in a new Kirby game? Oh no, the series is ruined, Nintendo is even more dead than before!
Fuck off. It's a neat little boss battle that reminds you of the earlier games and gets you thinking about the antagonists' role in the games' universe. They've been doing that for years. Spring Breeze, Galacta Knight, the Stone forms, Ice Dragon, all that. Who gives a shit? It's a game about sucking things up.
>>337873127
>"Classic" mode
>no Adventure mode
>Smash Run should've been on Wii U
>no Target Test
>menu design
>>337900935
>>337901042
Nice samefag.
>>337901098
Sucking up to fags like you who eat this shit up wholeheartely
>>337901070
Complete false equivalency to compare mid-bosses and recurring themes to big bad villains who have died.
And Kabula isn't in Super Star
>>337901014
because one-off fags need an excuse to grip on to keep bitching why sakurai keeps ignoring them in a crossover game mostly full of all-stars
no better than people wanting some no-name baddies from mediocre Wii/DS titles
>>337901152
Neither of us can prove that
>>337901182
uh oh, he likes a game series and doesn't constantly bitch about it on an imageboard
>>337901152
Only the first one was me.
>>337901263
Uh oh. He constantly cocksucks a game series and gets mad when even the slightest of criticism invades his safe space.
Only /v/ could have over 500 posts consisting of faggots complaining about how Nintendo didn't handle their sucking-thing-up-and-spitting-them-out franchise correctly.
>>337901193
I meant Ultra, but nice goalpost moving.
>64
>I can't believe they brought back Zero! He was just in the last game! Unbelievable!
Reminder that while most Nintendo releases are shitposted because of major issues that get in the way of enjoyment, all these shitposters can attack on Kirby are the fucking bonus bosses who don't even appear in the main Story Mode.
>>337901416
Zero was never established to be extinct then
>>337901362
Oh-oh, he's complaining about inconsequential bullshit that really doesn't even matter and is trying to force their shitty opinion on others.
>>337901453
Kirby was never good
>>337901362
Uh, that's kind of how criticism works.
You criticize something.
The person defending it disagrees.
A debate starts, based on what they're talking about.
It's not my fault you're getting butthurt over it and have to resort to calling me a fag because you have nothing else to say.
>>337901478
>You literally rip Zero's eye out and blow it up
>Not pretty much implied to be dead
Are you fucking kidding me?
>>337901416
He was brought back in the very next gane by the director who created him and in a completely different light in a very different kind of game as a finale to his story.
Another mfalse equivalence
>>337901601
That's nothing but a scratch. A bandage was all he needed.
>>337901453
I just said something in the game was dumb and stated why, you guys are the ones furiously shitposting because I didn't like every little aspect of the game.
>>337901628
>STILL moving goalposts
Ok, it's clear you're either a Nostalgiafag, which would be ironic, or just a retard.
Saying reoccurring boss period is bad now when almost every fucking Kirby game has done it is some of the most biased bullshit I've ever heard.
Next you'll be complaining that Kirby sucks now for using music.
>>337901823
>4chan 101: shitposting is anything i disagree with
>>337901453
Half of the new releases get shitposted to death for non-issues. Kirby gets away with everything because it plays everything overly safe.
>>337901823
Well that's fair then. I'm not one of those guys who are arguing against you, hopefully.
>>337897585
THEY'RE NOT THE SAME PERSON
>>337901882
You're the one moving goal posts, I said I LIKE recurring themes and continuity. Not for every single thing ever.
>>337901823
>I just said something in the game that really didn't matter at the end of the day is the reason why Kirby is shit now and didn't give a decent explanation why and just wanted and excuse to start shit.
FTFY
>>337901886
That's exaclty how you used the term, yes.
>>337902031
fuck off retard
>>337902040
There is continuity though, you're just butthurt that the brought something back.
>>337902031
playing pretend and wearing magical makeup doesn't mean it's another person, dumbo
bet you think Dr. Mario and Mario aren't the same person
>>337902047
Nothing really matters at the end of the day, what a pointless and hollow thing to say to try and invalidate someone.
Sorry for expressing my opinion that you don't agree with, anon. You should stop putting ridiculous words in my mouth and you should stop resorting to ad hominem
>>337902296
but then when other people express an opinion that you don't agree with, they're a fucking fag who gobbles that shit up, right?
>>337902126
I know, and again I like it when it's fitting, not contrived or forced.
I'm not, you're not listening to what I have to say at all. You're attacking a strawman, not me.
>>337902296
But it doesn't though
Adding an old boss back isn't going to magically turn the series back into New Super Mario Bros.
You're entirely being bias as fuck and your reasoning doesn't make any god-damn sense.
If you want to say something that actually fucking matters, it should be the difficulty.
>>337902363
I didn't say that, nor would I.
>>337902031
http://www.zeldainformer.com/news/nintendo-has-officially-ended-the-sheik-gender-debate
>"The definitive answer is that Sheik is a woman — simply Zelda in a different outfit." — Bill Trinen
>inb4 zelda tumblrinas and their mental gymnastics
>>337902484
>difficulty in a Kirby game
that's like complaining about story in Mario. though I guess that doesn't stop retards from complaining about either.
>>337902484
>Adding an old boss back isn't going to magically turn the series back into New Super Mario Bros.
I never said it would, it'll just probably fuck up the lore, the character, and the legacy for a stupid callback plot.
>>337902463
It's not contrived or forced though, they explained why their were brought and didn't even just bring back the original ones.
Your making shit up to try to prove some sort of when there isn't one.
And even if it was forced, does it really ruin the older games? No, it doesn't.
It's just fucking icing on the cake that HAL gave you to show that you actually cared.
But apparently your a whinny baby who hates vanilla icing and complains that you didn't get exactly what you wanted when HAL tried a lot fucking harder than most companies do.
>>337902668
Lore doesn't really matter either.
The character? What?
And the legacy is still fucking there fag.
A Dark Matter CLONE bring there doesn't somehow magically destroy or ruin the original games.
>>337902573
I liked how in Kirby's Adventure, every little move counts. If you get hit once, you lose your power and and it could be very hard to chase after. If you get hit by certain elemental attacks, you tumble backwards, slowly and disoriented, possibly into a pit. You can only get hit six times before you lose a life.
Now you've got a giant health meter, a health meter for abilities, guarding, air dodging.
I mean, a game being on the easy side is fine, but at least give me SOME challenge.
>>337897365
>but they're honestly all pretty famous characters, not just within Zelda, but they're known amongst general video game fans.
oh my god skull kid fags are still being delusional
just stay in your spinoff den for once
>>337902942
>If you get hit once, you lose your power and and it could be very hard to chase after. If you get hit by certain elemental attacks, you tumble backwards, slowly and disoriented, possibly into a pit.
A lot of this shit was annoying as fucking hell though, especially falling into a pit because you got stun-locked. That shit is just flat-out cheap.
>>337902721
>>337902839
In the hypothetical scenario of bringing back Zero, Marx, or Nightmare sorry if that was unclear. Dark Matter clone is ultra lame and retarded, but doesn't ruin anything for me.
Also stop insulting me please.
>>337902942
The health meter thing is an issue, but a lot of the later bosses do throw Kirby into the ground or against a wall long enough that your ability star will be bouncing around quite a bit before you can regain control. And these same bosses also knock your power off with a single hit too. This was my experience trying to beat Triple Deluxe's Arena at least.
>>337903075
It isnt't cheap, it was punishment for YOUR fuck up, it's fair good game design.
>>337903116
I'll at LEAST admit at the fight itself was kinda dull, but I'm just glad they brought him back. I just see it as them saying they CAN bring the real Dark Matter back if they felt like it, like a test run or something.
>>337903309
Maybe, he'd be fine in a spin-off, like another Air Ride
>>337903229
Nigger most of the time that happened it was because a fucking Flamer hit me because those go at like 90 Miles an hour in Adventure.
I love that game to death but fuck me of that wind section wasn't complete bullshit.
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