The little things that bother you about Smash 4
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Yes it's this thread again.
Fuck the roster, fuck the stages, fuck the DLC choices, fuck the ballot, let's talk about the LITTLE things that irritate the fuck out of you about Smash 4
What are those really insignificant, perhaps even petty, things that grind your gears? Just vent it all out here.
>>337836787
What's wrong with that OP? The "Trademark" Wario waft part?
I'm a Wario main and I really hate the fact that Sakurai took away the shoulder bash.
(That was his forward smash in Brawl by the way)
His new forward smash is absolute ass. Wario used to have one of the best smash attacks and now he has one of the worst.
Why does Sakurai hate Wario Land? Did Wario ever do something to him?
>>337837796
I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai were the one who did something to Wario instead.
But shit, nigga, it ain't just Wario, some franchises just really got the short end of the stick in the end.I'm still fucking pissed they didn't even bother putting Mona Pizza or Mike's theme in Smash 4.
In the end, it doesn't even matter. The game is already packed and everyone already played it. The DLC development is done, they won't be doing nothing else to the game. In the end, some people came out sore out of all of this.
>>337839371
>2016
>not modding the game and adding the songs yourself
but i digress.
The biggest small thing that bothered me is that Pac-Man didn't have his death sound from the arcades as his KO sound. Like for crying out loud, they did add it in streetsmash but not the real game?will probably take me like five minutes tops to add it in anyway
>Pac-Man doesn't have his iconic death sound as his star KO
>Yellow Devil's respawn time
>Bowser and DK's "realistic" voices sound like shit
>sore throat Mario
>Diddy's shitty victory animations from Brawl
>gamepad can't be touched to navigate menu
>>337836787
>Lucina, as a clone of Marth mimicks his default idle animation despite the fact it's no where near the same as her default battle stance in Awakening
>Marth gets added as a unit in Fates
>Because he's so similar to Lucina, he mimicks her default battle stance despite never assuming that battle stance anywhere in the series.
>Now both Smash and Fire emblem has mismatched idle animations
>Oh, and Robin can somehow use Nosferatu despite not being a Dark Mage and not being able to acquire Shadowgift in Awakening.
This really does bother me way more than it should.
>>337836787
1-3
>Up B and Side B acted as a third jump that can be used to help you get back onto the stage if you aren't too far off
4
>Some characters can jump and dash 4 times anywhere, allowing them to never fall to their death
>>337836787
>earthbound/mother victory theme is some weird bastardization instead of the original Eight Melodies
I know they changed it in brawl but it still bothers me.
>>337839746
>Pac-Man doesn't have his iconic death sound as his star KO
this
>Bowser and DK's "realistic" voices sound like shit
no
>>337836787
>Solo Ice Climber, just up their stats/speed and change the recovery to holding on to the condor similar to Olimar's new recovery
>Customizable character selection screen, drag and drop tiles to rearrange them, and to give the player control over 1 or 2 pages, and portrait size, nametags or no nametags.
>Customizable character selection randomizer, similar to the random stage switch.
>Customizable stage selection screen, drag and drop tiles to rearrange them, similar to above
>Events in 3DS
>Special Smash in 3DS
>Break the Targets, if not all unique, at least more than 5, maybe 10-20 levels
>Board the Platformss, if not all unique, at least more than 5, maybe 10-20 levels
>Race to the Finish, 5-10 levels
>Classic Classic mode
>A Melee-esque short adventure mode
>A Master Hand that isn't a ghost hand and is a glove again
>The ability to use multiple characters a la all-star versus in Project M
>Stamina that goes to 1000 hp
>Lives in Stamina, once a character loses their stamina they disappear a la the supporting ice climber in melee/brawl, or a la the blast zones in Great Cave Offensive
>Miis in Online Randoms, either just as is or in a special Customs mode
>stage hazards switch
>Amiibo online with friends because why the hell not
>>337840243
Yes.
Bowser's roaring taunts and victory pose are ruined by his pathetic as fuck growls. DK sounds like someone blowing into a cardboard tube.
>Down B is counter on 10 different fighters
>Palutena has a ton of variety but her default has a counter
>Shulk's trademark is a counter
>Out of the DLC 2 were rehashed clones
(I know they're different but it's silly to me that these were clamored for and we didn't even get wolf who adds a much needed villain to the roster)
>Dark Pit
>Greninja nerfs
>Robin nerfs
>>337840757
>>Down B is counter on 10 different fighters
This. I feel at the very least Greninja's Substitute could have been something else, as I can somewhat understand the other characters who do have one.
Wii U didn't get Smash Run.
Fuck every single thing about the Wii U single player. And Smash Tour. Fuck that too.
>>337839891
Robin might get a free pass with that Nosferatu considering the fact that he can become a dark Mage and the fact that he is, well, Grima, a living embodiment of darkness and evil.
The single player content sucks.
Brawl is the best in that department. Pure fanservice instead of a focus on tourneyfags.
The sheer number of recycled KI:U assets (e.g. the menu layouts and Smash Run in general) bothers me. The whole thing reeks of laziness.
Witch Time
Realistically all the kid Icarus items should have been dumped on dark pit because they pollute the game, day break as a final smash, ore club as a side smash, killer eye down b and such with the staff being his neutral b
One less clone and a shit ton less items
>>337843259
This. Bayo can even WT final smashes, why is this allowed?
>>337842980
To be fair, Uprising recycled a lot of Brawl assets first.
>>337843581
Not that anon, but you're just proving Hackurai's laziness even further.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSHbX-Ow3WM
Looking at this video made me realize something.
Why does Sakurai never bother to give the transformation characters (ie Giga Bowser, Giga Mac, Mega Lucario, etc) their own corresponding palette swaps? It doesn't seem hard at all, the Project M team did it and so did the video above.
It's just especially really jarring to be playing as Little Mac in one of his wireframe costumes only to suddenly transform into a default skin Giga Mac.
>>337842980
>>337843581
>>337843775
Doesn't Sakurai use the same type of menu layout for all of his games? I mean, Kirby Air Ride and Meteos use the same type of design.
>>337844235
Again, you are just even further cementing his laziness.
>>337836787
>body rock is not a song in the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt0IEQPys1U
how I wish
/v/ owes PM an apology
>the little things
Trophy descriptions in the 3DS version not showing the game of origin and year for whatever reason.
It doesn't make sense.
>>337844449
I'm not the one guy you were talking to, but I agree that he is lazy.
>>337844640
For what? Having the most autistic fanbase? I know Tr4sh is cancerous, but come on, at least get some standards.
no character specific break the targets stages, fuck you thats my favorite part of Melee.
Millions of dollars worth of dlc.
Wii U is a shitty console is general, the controller thats 50 dollars extra thats mandatory to play most games has shitty sticks that fuck up inputs and make me face the wrong direction.
Sold that bitch for 3 hunda, fuck niggertendo
>>337844235
>>337844449
His wife does all the menus.
http://kyoto-report.wikidot.com/michiko-sakurai
To the fucker on here who has the name "Shinobi" and plays as black arm bands sonic, you're a goddamn fag
You don't even do the funny taunts, you do that "nothing personal kid" shit
All the new items suck. Playing with items on is even more unfun than ever, and I used to like items. All the single player modes suck too, and even worse all the horrible items are brought in it too turning it into a rng fest of praying that an ai doesn't get the instant kill thing dropped right into its hands.
>>337844946So, she's lazy and likes to copy/paste everything?
>some of the best stages on Smash 4 are exclusive to the 3DS version
>still can't play these stages in the console version
I can't be the only person who feels this way
>>337836787
>le Sakurai made Wario a gross faggot meme
>>337844235
why fix something that looks amazing
>>337845090
I prefer Melee with items but yes fuck Sm4sh with items. A lot of items are really fucking unfun
>>337844640
PM's "balancing" is that every character has an autocombo move and a ridiculous chaingrab, it's not very fun if you play competitively.
All of the recycled voice clips and the fact that there is still no "SUPER SMAAAAASH BROTHEERS"in the title screen
>>337845659
You can turn on and off which items you don't want you know. Like every Smash game.
Bowser not saying "Showtime!" when entering the battle
>>337845851
Oh my god the recycled sound clips blow. Makes it feel like we didn't move past brawl at all.
>>337836787
>Ganondorf will never get a unique moveset. Hes just a slow captain falcon forever.
>Bowser can cheat online by abusing the self destruct system.
>single player is so freaking boring, I've been too bored to even collect parts for custom fighters.
>There are people on /v/ RIGHT NOW who want to replace Wario's Bike with his charge from Wario Land
>>337836787
The whole game feels lazy as shit
>rushed, barely any single player content
>most characters are not represented properly
>Sakurai's choices impacting other games
>favoritism to KI and FE
>DLC ballot was a waste of time
>items feel meh
>brawl updated with new textures
>barely any new content
>recycled stages and character movesets
>classic is shit
>>337836787
In the trophy cases, Kanto Pokemon, Pikachu takes up two spots.. it really bothered me that Koffing didn't have a spot in it
>>337846294
why not replace one of his non iconic moves like his generic punches, or spin jump up b, or tooth grab move that no one uses
>>337845950
All items or bust
>>337842980
That's recycled from Kirby Air Ride, actually.
>>337846018
If you get grabbed by Bowser you can determine where he lands, it's not hopeless.
>>337846324
Also forgot
>bizarre reasoning for character inclusion or exclusion
>blaming and hating the fans
>clones
>>337845794
>autocombo
lol
>victory themes reused from Brawl
>new Mother and F-Zero stages exclusive to 3DS version
>The entire WiiU version's classic mode
>>337845950
Not in smash 4 single player modes you can't. And it doesn't change that items went from passable and fun to use on occasion, to absolute shit.
>>337846650
Roy players d-tilting 20 times is great
>>337836787
>mother victory theme is not the mother victory theme
>>337846650
>implying shines aren't free as fuck
>>337836787
>lack of customs for dlc characters
>no story mode with characters mingling together
>bayonetta doesn't use her pillow talk moveset with beam sword equipped
i know roster kids are still assravaged over FE having 6, (but hey, besides Hackurai, Nintendo really wants this series to be one of the new big hitters, so no point of arguing why FE is suddenly everywhere now.)
i'm still heavily pissed off on Sakurai take on Chrom
>let's Robin uses Nosferatu while being a Tactician
>doesn't let Chrom also used his javelin in his moveset w/out being a Great Lord
>Sakurai: "Chrom pretty goo-...lol throw him out, he'd be Marth+Ike."
>Sakurai: "since this is the last minute, let's make Lucina 'Marth for novice players'! she's way apart to be a costume anyways!"
>>337836787
>FYI She's an assist trophy ;) LOOOOL TROLLED ;)
FUCK YOU SAKURAI FUCK YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU STAND FOR
>>337847335
>wanting to punch a little girl
>Enjoy these clones characters, but it's alright it didn't take up development time.
>Players have to play as them to unlock shit anyway.
I'm bothered by the taunts. Most of them could be a LOT better.
Look at characters like Charizard and Little Mac. You barely notice their taunts at all. And then most of the returning cast just re-uses Brawl taunts.
>>337844791
>Having the most autistic fanbase?
and you're still implying anything in the Smash fandom is not autism everywhere, but hey, you and your bias for the type of Smash you like.
>Grinding for custom moves
>Grinding for hats and other items for custom characters
>The only way to have a reasonable amount of luck is delaying the spin wheel input in the 3ds version
>For some reason you unlock custom moves for everyone but the character you are playing as
>Smash run had an interesting concept but was overall boring as fuck
>Level 9 difficulty starts dropping explosive capsules and bombs when you go to attack other fighters
Despite all that, it never fails to make me smile when I kill a Cloud main and they sperg out and pick Toon Link for the next 5 rounds and have ~60 projectiles within a 3 minute match.
>>337847335
I know worse characters have got in (see: corrin) but were you unironically expecting ashley to get in? Jimmy T, 9 volt and mona I imagine would have priority before her
>>337846294
What's wrong with replacing one of the most fucking annoying, abusable moves in the entire franchise?
>>337847285
He's still just a dude swinging a sword in the end, having a javelin doesn't really do enough to make him special.
And there's no hypocrisy in adding Lucina either, even though she's the same, just another person swinging a sword. In the end, they were both rejected in favor of the ONE planned new FE character and given other roles. It's just that being being a costume gave Lucina the good fortune of crawling back onto the roster. If the costume had been Chrom, he'd have been the clone and Lucina would have been elsewhere.
>>337846324
DID the DLC ballot really help anything at all?
>>337846294
>Palutena gets completely unique specials
>Wario can't even get one
PM Wario and Smash 4 Wario are both great fun.
>>337844458
Super underrated track. It's frustrating that Wario's music got raped this time around. I mean what the hell? They kept his remix out of the English version despite having the Jap lyric versions in Brawl.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_bmHLySfGY
>>337845851
I hate this too. You have to pay voice actors just as if they were recording new when reusing lines cause of the whole unionization right? Why not just record new lines?
>>337848145
>unique specials
Custom specials that is, whoops.
>>337847335
At least she's got SOMETHING along with her new Jap. theme.
Half the cast doesn't even HAVE a goddamn trophy and they were in the series since the very beginning, including Jimmy T, Dribble and Spitz, Orbulon.18-Volt was introduced in Twisted.
And even the major part of the trophies that aren't Ashley or Kat & Ana, which the latter was already imported from Brawl, are fucking 2D. Is it even necessary to bring up the whole Mona Pizza & Mike's theme being completely non-existant in the game because I'm pretty sure anyone who has played WarioWare has at least noticed that.
Come to think about it, no. Fuck this shit. Sakurai does NOT care about your obscure characters.
He just cares for the incredibly popular ones.
Of which that includes Ashley and that's why she even got a Assist Trophy in the first place.
Had she not gotten the attention she has in Pixiv, he probably would give about as much shit about her as the rest of the gang.
Of course, popularity does not always = warranted playable character spot.
>if you use a Mario, DK, or Wario series character, the CONGRATULATIONS font at the end of Classic/All-Star uses a Super Mario font
>...except Yoshi who uses the regular font
>>337847335
>having THIS amount of obsession for a fucking background character
the things Smash hype could do to people
eat shit
>>337847436
>Not wanting to brutally maul the idol of pedophiliac NEETs everywhere.
Faggot.
>>337848445
nice mental gymnastics, Ashleyfag
>Characters don't have their own victory themes
Meta Knight in Brawl and Bowser/Jr in Sm4sh was a step in the right direction
>DK will never have his DK64 voice
>>337848423
The obsession behind Ashley of all characters is so confusing to me.
It can't all be lolicons, can it?
>>337848704
As a lover of music, this.
All the characters could have a unique theme, but instead get stuck with generic ones for their franchise.
>>337847715
>stinky cheese man
did the art always look that good?
>>337848704
Rosalina and Dark Pit got their own victory themes as well.
>>337848751
dA hold a ton of ashleyfags there too
>>337848942
How did I completely forget this?
>>337847335
>people think anything short of fully playable is shitting on them
You disgust me, and I say this as a fellow degenerate lolicon. She made it pretty far for a character whose popularity is basically equivalent to being the one WarioWare character with the most fanart by perverts. I was pretty glad to see her acknowledged to the point where she got an AT.
>>337836787
Nintendo is red pilled
>>337848704
>music modding
>you can have about 60 different victory themes
>mfw I made Cloud's Victory theme to E Rank music from Sonic Unleash
>>337848704
I think Sakurai was planning on doing that at some point. Every character in Smash 4 (as seen on the left) actually has their own unique victory theme slot. I guess they only had time to do a select few like Bowser and Rosalina.
It's modding paradise, however.
olimar gets 3 pikman at a time because im guessing 'balance'
Meanwhile fucking release zero suit samus and shiek get to attack without any fucking end lag in ANY OF THEIR FUCKING MOVES AND ZS GETS A FUCKING DOWN SMASH THAT STUNS AND ALLOWS YOU TO USE A FOLLOWUP FORWARD SMASH ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME.
the fact that you put lucina, marth AND roy in the same fucking game while not including certain characters... just fucking no.
>>337849001
But it's not a bad idea. They can definitely do something for all or most of the characters. Like Luigi can have a victory theme from Dark Moon, Dedede from Triple Deluxe, etc.
>>337849181
I need to get into modding this game since I have a bunch of time on my hands. Where is a good place to start?
>>337848262
>Of course, popularity does not always = warranted playable character spot.
>tfw Sakurai said this long after the game was done/DLC getting started
http://nintendoeverything.com/sakurai-again-comments-on-clone-characters-in-smash-bros-roster-approach/
>“We do various kinds of research during the planning stage. We consider the inclusion of characters "that feature in games being developed at the same time", "are highly requested by users", and "are popular within their series". We then think about how they could be unique if they were to appear in Super Smash Bros.”
>“Even if a character is highly popular and famous, they might not be chosen to appear as a fighter in Smash Bros because they lack uniqueness. On the other hand, if a character seems to have the potential to exhibit an interesting characteristic, they might be selected regardless of their popularity.”
>>337849181
>>337849253
I don't know the first thing about modding but if I ever take the time to read up on it and git gud this is the first thing I'm doing
>>337849285
>>337849443
http://pastebin.com/8u0WAyJC
Take your time and don't think hard
>>337839930
>jigglypuff and kirby
>>337849538
Thanks family
>>337839891
They actually mention that Robin shouldn't normally be able to use Nosferatu in one of the in-game tooltips. I think the official explanation is that Robin can re-class into a Dark Mage, so it's fine.
>>337849538
Wow thanks a lot!
>>337836787
>The little things that bother you about Smash 4
its not 64
>>337847285
>tfw no Chrom with a moveset similar to that in PxZ 2
It hurts
>>337848751
It's a combination of both pedophiles/lolicons, people who can't draw anyone other than her incredibly simplistic design other than Orbulon (sleeve hands, simple shapes, hidden body for the lack of anatomy study), people who like Touhou, people who like Harry Potter and/or witches and magic in general, people who can relate to the fact that she has no friends despite being clearly coupled with the WarioWare gang and being in the game for some reason (holy shit, is that goddamn song stupid about that), people who think they are as cute and mean as her and can also relate and people that get easily hypnotized that got the song stuck to their heads after hearing her name for so long during her stage.
Of course, there's those that just like her like a normal fan would, but good fucking luck finding them because they are sadly being cast away in a vast sea of utter cancer.
>>337849665
>>337849776
not him but here are the filenames for all the songs in the game
some sites like brawl custom music don't have all of them
http://pastebin.com/cxxGx5av
>>337849272
Olimar gets 3 Pikmin because of 8-player Smash, dipshit
I wish the Mii costumes could be used for all three classes. I want a jumpsuit swordfighter and a pirate brawler and gunner and shit.
>>337849538
>>337849986
Time to make Smash great again
>>337836787
The fact that it's 99% neutral game.
>>337845851
>the fact that there is still no "SUPER SMAAAAASH BROTHEERS"in the title screen
The fact that these were missing from Brawl and 4 are the biggest travesties.
>>337849031
>She made it pretty far for a character whose popularity is basically equivalent to being the one WarioWare character with the most fanart by perverts.
>secondary cucks
i hate these faggots
>>337836787
The fucking menus are the fucking worst
>this isn't in the game
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-L0pW3Eol6k
>yet we get another fucking remix of Mute City
>also the same Big Blue from 15 years ago
>>337836787
I'd like it more if it wasn't such a flowchart game. I expect the same thing from every Falcon, from every Yoshi, etc. Falcons will run towards you, grab, do that same combo, etcetc.
>>337849308
>Even if a character is highly popular and famous, they might not be chosen to appear as a fighter in Smash Bros because they lack uniqueness
>Uniqueness
Here's how to call out on his bullshit.
Out of all the Fire Emblem characters, how many of them are actually unique?
Answer this truthfully.
>Lack of balance
>Counters in general
>Boring ass SP content
>Heavies are forever shit characters
>I love punch out but little mac is the gimmick of sm4sh, having no air game makes you shit. I rather remove his super armor and get some decent air attacks
>the only reason to buy the wii u version is to have better graphics and less shitty experience online
>darkpit
>>337850375
psst,fighter diversity
>>337850340
But I like the Big Blue Melee song.
>>337850179
Guy who voices the announcer said they had him do takes for "SUPER SMASH BROTHERS" but didn't know if they were using them or not
Apparently not.
>>337850375
...all of them except Lucina and maybe Roy? Even Roy plays very differently from Marth.
>>337850375
Marth, Ike, and Robin.
>>337850375
>Marth
>Ika
>Robin
>Corrin
4
Lucina and Roy aren't truly unique
>>337850340
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDpDYRkmmkA
>>337850445
>lack of balance
It really isn't that bad thanks to the balance patches. I mean Mewtwo of all characters just won a national recently.
>>337840352
How about Mii in offline randoms? The random button on the CSS won't give you Mii Fighters, despite the fact that they show up in the demo screen and the AI seems to work just fine.
>no Bowser's Castle stage
>>337850510
I do too m8, it's a great remix. I'm just saying we haven't got a new version of one of the series' most popular songs in 15 years. The ONLY new music we got is another Mute City remix, and it's not even as good as Brawls.
>>337850445
>Lack of balance
Isn't it the most balanced in the series?
>>337850375
Marth, Ike, Robin, and Corrin whether you like it or not.
>>337850743
And Brawl's Mute City isn't as good as Melee's.
>>337840031
So many of the Brawl victory themes fucking sucked. You had worse renditions of themes from Melee, then you had crappy replacements or new songs that don't even fit as victory themes (Wario's victory theme was put INTO Wario Land Shake It, not the other way around, Mother has that weird opening theme bit sped up) which has continued into Smash 4 with stuff like Mega Man and Shulk getting snippets of Wily Castle 2/You Will Know Our Names instead of an actual victory jingle etc.
And Meta-Knight getting his own victory theme in Brawl as if he wasn't spoilt enough, followed by Dark Pit of all people getting his own.
>>337845090
Jesus, this. I've always been an all items on high guy, but
>gust bellows
>master ball
>the two assemble instant kill items
>beetle
>boss Galaga
Fuck.
>>337847860
>see Corrin
Are people still bootyblasted?
Soundtrack. Hands down. It's such a disappointing piece of shit. Everything is axed to fit the retarded 2 minute quota so nerds playing For Fun online can hear the end of the song. The remixes are also pretty shitty.
Little Mac has 16 colors available but characters with two genders or costumes such as Robin, Villager, Olimar/Alph, Wario, ect. only get four per each variation.
>>337847335
Oh come on, she got a Mii costume. That's more than a ton of better characters.
Smash Tour didn't deserve to be one of the first things you see, it's a shitty gimmick mode you'll drop after getting the unlocks shoved into it, even if you have friends
>Games & More has all the fucking single player+coop shit buried in it
>amiibo, something Nintendo pushed hard is in a submenu
>Trophy Rush isn't with the other minigames, it's with the trophy gallery and snapshots
>>337850998
Mega Man's victory theme is the opening of Mega Man 2, which is overrated as fuck and hogged nearly all the Mega Man content in Smash.
>>337850636
I'm glad mewtwo rose from the dead.
>>337850803
Not really , sure compared to the others yes but about half the cast have nothing against top tiers.
>>337851006
>all the items that do basically the same thing
>Bees and cucco swarm whoever they hit
>Galaga and Beetle try take players out off the top of the screen
what the fuck is this shit
They seriously need to restructure All-Star mode's levels now that we have DLC characters
Some levels (especially the first and second) feel too fucking crowded now while the last is still too few. It's jarring.
I actually feel like I have to delete the DLC data just to get the beat it with every character on Hard mode shit done and over with
>>337850615
>>337850879That's still 4 out of 6 though.Whether you like it or not, there was a point where it needed to stop in order to not make characters for the sake of just making them.Well, the world wouldn't then have Lucina and I'm sure there'd be a outbreak if they felt her missing. I'm actually not sure who wanted who more, if Lyn or Lucina.
does anybody else have a Love-Hate relationship with Sakurai's decisions and opinions?
Pros:
>made Mii Fighters so the majority people wanting non-vidya/real world shit can flock there (except super rosterautists like gokufags)
>dropped the gritty realism style for the toy-like take that also matches where they appear from
Cons:
>his wife doing the menus again
>dropped adventure mode due to cutscenes recorded to youtube
>Mario is permanently angry
>Tharja lost her trophy
>the trophies are way more expensive in the Wii U version
>the Wii U version is also able to have multiple of the same trophy on sale at the same time
>the menu doesn't have touch controls
>no Pokémon have their shiny colouration, even Greninja's is slightly off
>>337850998
Agreed, but apparently, in Brawl, it was planned that every character would get a unique victory theme (or at least, a unique spin on it). Meta Knight's was the only one to make it in to the final game.
Also, I just want to say that the normal Kid Icarus victory theme used by Pit and Palutena really grates on the ears, and that's why I'd rather pick Dark Pit and his soothing Latin melody over them. Captain Falcon's post-Brawl theme also hurts as well. Seriously, who thought those were good ideas?
>>337847715
I'm on my phone so I can't post the video, but getting the last Mii hat was the last thing I did in the 3DS version.
>Floral Hat acquired!
>You got all the costume pieces!
>You did every achievement!
>You unlocked all the trophies!
And then I had to do it again in the WiiU version.
>>337851283
I think that's just because the wireframe skins were easy to make. Technically it doesn't change Mac's geometry, it just turns his skin into a green mesh. Seems like at the tailend of development they took all of Mac's normal costumes and reskinned them. Something like this couldn't be done with Alph or Overalls Wario.
>>337851597
>>his wife doing the menus again
Didn't she always do the menus?
Unlockibg customs.
Especially the fact that its possible to get duplicate drops for customs with no way to turn them into moves you dont have
>>337851361
>Mega Man's victory theme is the opening of Mega Man 2, which is overrated as fuck and hogged nearly all the Mega Man content in Smash.
I came in here to say something like this.
I mean holy fuck, the stage select theme or the boss defeated theme both would make perfect sense for a victory theme. Why on earth would they just take the title music and shorten it for that purpose?
And three out of four of his specials are MM2 related even though MM2 had really boring choices for attacks. Basically all of his alt specials are better.
Except for the down B one, that one's just permanently fucked by design and nothing done to it could make it useful or interesting.
>>337851509
Which is why you normally don't see people defending Lucina's inclusion, or Roy outside of OUR BOY memers.
Had there been no FE character for DLC I would defend Lucina. FE:A saved the franchise from doom and that deserves recognition. If they had planned out the DLC beforehand, I doubt Lucina would be there.
But there is DLC and we do have too many FE characters, and I hope Lucina and Roy fuck off. Corrin can stay because he's unique.
>>337851318
>Forgot that she even got a Mii costume
>Oh maybe they'll finally give a shit about the other charactersI am beyond royally mad because they literally gave priority over just one overrated little piece of shit over those who were legitimately in the first game and they literally couldn't even afford to make o n e measly Mii costume at the very least to anyone else other than her.
>Mega Man never blinks
And don't give me that shit that "he's a robot, why would he need to blink?" It's still very bothering.
>>337847860
>Jimmy T, 9 volt and mona I imagine would have priority before her
Ashley's more popular than all of them. What kind of moveset would Mona even have anyway?
>>337851509
>That's still 4 out of 6 though.
and?
>Whether you like it or not, there was a point where it needed to stop in order to not make characters for the sake of just making them.
totally not because of all the Royfags (aka ROY'S OUR BOY ROY'S OUR BOY!) kept begging him back and Lucina being a last minute extra?
Of all the fucking things to recycle, why the FUCK would they keep the absolute SHIT victory themes from Brawl? Compare these fucking things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1sop-p6_rM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa6Yo2fwbdI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPbvSyu-V0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b1IofZQvlQ
Not to mention the new victory themes sound like shit made in GarageBand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2sgamb6Hac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDT-L0qV-JU
And fuck you, F-Zero X victory arrangement > GX's weak ass shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDWI-7zBKP8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcqFQH4MOcU
>>337851738
But they already made those extra renders, would it be so hard to just palate swap a few more for them? I'm not saying make more Villagers and in hindsight I wouldn't have included them in that list. I'm just asking for more colors.
>>337852163
I prefer Brawl's over Melee's
>>337837796
>His new forward smash is absolute ass. Wario used to have one of the best smash attacks and now he has one of the worst.
the funny thing is that Sakurai thought he was giving Wario a buff with his new forward smash.
>>337852412
That's because you're a fucking faggot.
>>337852037
The awful thing is too if you look at pre-release videos, he did blink. I've never been a fan of how they made him 3D rendered 8-bit sprite. Victory screens are fucking creepy the way he's 100% static. I think Marvel got him down the best.
>>337852163
Not denying that Dark Pit's theme sounds like something an amateur made in GarageBand, but that's still way better than what they gave to Pit (and Palutena in Smash 4):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYUk8h1EvF0
I think my ears are bleeding now.
>>337852046
Well, we will never know that now, will we.
It's not like she ever had a chance of getting a decent moveset, right?
>>337842901
I thought Brawl was underwhelming. Melee didn't have the number of modes, but the modes it did have were far more fleshed out/polished.
Oh wait, I guess you're talking about SSE. Well if you liked it I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. It was ambitious at least.
>>337852590
But if I was a faggot I'd be riding Melee's dick
>>337852634
That's from Brawl, which is why it's shit.
The worst part is that Uprising had a perfectly good song to just slap in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tbItdE4JdE
But no, they wouldn't do that. It was either keep the Brawl one or make a shitty, unnecessary inferior remix like more than half of Uprising's music in Smash.
>>337842901
Here's your (you)
>>337852163
But all of those except maybe Fox's victory theme are better in Brawl
I mean if you are gonna make this argument at least give some good examples like Game and Watch's of Ness's. Those 2 are way better in Melee compared to Brawl
I feel like any complaints about music will be invalidated once this comes out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mUPFhbmzZE
>>337852604
Dat thousand yard stare.
>>337836787
>Single Player is crap
>No Adventure Mode of some sort
>Palutena's Specials are the worst ones
>Wizard's Dropkick isn't Ganondorf's defulat DSpecial
>Wario got some alt colors removed while Little Mac has 16
>Phantom Footstooling
>Almost everyone has a DThrow > UTilt/UAir
>Almost every Sword character has a Counter move
>Omega Stages being a thing instead of just having a Hazards Off Switch
>Suit Samus doesn't have a Sex Kick
>OHKO Items appear too fucking much in Classic Mode, right along side eachother too as a matter of fact
>Lucina and Dark Pit
>Regular 75m
>Getting caught under Pyrosphere's terrain when recovering
>Equipment RNG
>No 8 Player Smash Online (even though it'd probably be a lagfest)
>Too many transition Stages
>Most Music choices are shitty
>Crowd Cheers are just shit
>Pac-Man and Mega Man don't have their respective death sounds on their Star KOs
>Classic Mode doesn't feel like a Classic Mode (No Break the Targets, RNG Special Fights [Metal or Giant])
>No Smash Run on the Wii U version
>No Snake or Wolf
>No Offline Tournament Mode
>Upward KOs can be the Explosion one thus fucking over Jigglypuff getting Rest KOs sometimes
>Mega Man 2 stuff being overused
>No Boss fucking Battles (no Wily or Eggman)
>>337852848
Thing is, even among Brawl's victory themes, Pit's and Captain Falcon's stand out as being utterly atrocious. They are so bad that I go out of my way to avoid using those characters in multiplayer, just so I don't have to hear their victory themes.
I cannot tell you how many times I pressed the menu on the gamepad thinking it was touch screen. They even look like they were made to be pushed.
Event matches on hard are complete horseshit and other single player modes along with the A.I. felt like the dev team saying "You want harder? I'll fucking give you harder".
>let's bring Pac-Man in the game but like not reference any game but Pac-Man and some shitty Pac-Man spin-off
>and then we'll use generic arcade themes from other namco shit as filler
>pac-man world? nah that shit doesnt exist man
>>337852848
>like Wrath of the Reset Bomb, bretty gud koshiro song
>Koshiro remixed it
>it doesn't sound as good
same goes for Shimomura with the dream team song
they really didn't need to remix those
>>337845090
This
>>337852046
she got the crowd, yet she's still as prior as every other WW cast in her own main games.
just look at Rhythm Heaven 3DS. hell, and remember Kat & Ana had the AT role before Ashley did.
>>337853176
You know, to be honest I was mad too when I realized this, but then again I main pac man
And the only reason I main him is because his moveset is fun as fuck. Including the random as shit fire hydrant.
>>337853093
>>337852037
>>337852604
>sakurai heavily based him on his MM2 sprites
there's the problem
>>337853023
I still think Gilgamesh would have been a great Final Fantasy rep.
>>337853176
>let's give the iconic maze to the 3DS version
>lol what if we put Pac-Land on the Wii U
>>337853176
I though Pac-Man was fun but I really don't get Sakurai's hard on for Pac-Land of all things.
>>337853239
>that feelio Shimomura Kirby stuff will never be seen in Smash
please god, i hope Planet Robobot does something about this
>>337853176
I don't really mind him having various Namco stuff in his moveset. I like that he basically represents old school Namco games as a whole.
It's like how Duck Hunt's moveset includes references to the NES Zapper games like Hogan's Alley and Wild Gunman.
>>337853140
>trying to quit a match on the gamepad
>WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THIS WAS OKAY
>>337853671
He meant the music. The moveset is fine.
>>337845032
I really hope that guy is being ironic
still hilarious either way
>>337853638
why do people hate Pac-Man 2 again?
>>337852163
>>337853126
Actually, speaking of Captain Falcon's victory theme, I'd like to say something regarding that. While I prefer F-Zero X's music over GX's in general, GX didn't have a bad soundtrack. Its victory theme was still pretty good, just not as utterly eargasmic as X's.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9bwuqD59_E
How the FUCK did they manage to turn it into something so utterly, unbearably awful to listen to for Brawl?
>>337852163
>F-Zero X victory arrangement > GX's weak ass shit
but the GX theme in Brawl isn't even the original
It's a shitty remix
When will Wii U modding get to the point where we can add everything from the 3DS version to the Wii U? If the next system doesn't have a combined port this is what I'd have to make due with. I don't think people realize just how much content both games have when you put them together.
>>337854154
>we could have had one complete console Smash with all the stages and modes
>Sakurai only wanted to have the 3DS version
>Iwata had to tell him to make a console version
>we could have had even LESS Smash content
>>337854472
Imagine what the reception would be if Sakurai had his way and we only got the 3DS version.
>WOOOOOOOW THE WII U DOESNT EVEN HAVE A PROPER MARIO, ITS OWN ZELDA, ORRR SMASH BROS
>>337854154
>When will Wii U modding get to the point where we can add everything from the 3DS version to the Wii U?
that'll be when Brawl modding and Super Metroid romhacking gets to levels where RNG editing being possible in Super Mario World romhacking via Lunar Magic
I just wish smash 4 wasnt so slow and floaty, it's become really painful to watch.
>>337854472
>>337854642
Yeah, Iwata made the right call there. RIP, dude.
>>337854757
by RNG editing, i mean:
RPG/Romancing SaGa mechanics in a fucking Mario platformer
>>337854903
>/Romancing SaGa mechanics
don't throw that in like it isn't an rpg
>>337854472
I don't disagree with Sakurai's idea of a portable Smash. In fact the idea is very novel and he wanted to do it after getting experience on the hardware with Uprising. I don't know if he knew about the Wii U before Iwata confronted him on it.
>>337845090
This so much. Even look at the pokemon now compared to 64 or Melee.
>>337837770
The overall rushed nature of the games. Reused stages, music, models for trophies, pretty bad single player content, no unique intro, etc
>Smash 4's gameplay wasn't tweaked enough to not get bored of it
>Past FE characters that were actually interesting get shafted for boring new ones
>No 2nd namco character
>No Pac-man death sound as his star KO
>No new zelda character (no not impa)
>No new starfox character (no not wolf)
>No 2nd Square character
>Lucina is in the game
>>337855046
i'm referring to the Super Kitiku World hack with the false final boss fight with The Seven Koopalings
>>337844708
This and the trophies in general not being nearly as informative as in past games. Half the trophy descriptions are just jokes in this.
I don't know if that's the localizers or Sakurai, though.
>tfw Starfy will never become playable
>That Rosalina trailer and that assist screenshot still kills me inside to this day.
All I ask is that he's portrayed properly. I want him to team up with Kirby too, and just come back..
>>337855282
I gave up on the idea of him being a playable character. I at least just want an Assist Trophy that doesn't suck ass. I swear Starfy can't do a damn thing.
>>337836787
Can't wavedash
>>337842901
Took the words right out of my mouth m8
>>337855215
>I don't know if that's the localizers or Sakurai, though.
The Mother/Earthbound writers wrote the Japanese description for all the trophies this time around.
>>337836787
Read the Source Gaminng article about Wario's grossness. He was always a farting poop-obsessed slob in Japan.
>>337855282
>had playable bones on his model
>listed along with the playable characters in the trophy section of Brawl
>>337855215
They got the MOTHER team to do the descriptions.
>You could say theses ones are... pretty fly for a Shy Guy. No? Never mind.
Sakurai's characters are still OP
>>337855759
git gud, For Glory cuck.
>Dedede's new final smash
that's like having link's final smash be him grabbing you with the clawshot and throwing a bomb
lazy and uncreativelike his first
Chrom is excluded because "No use in having carbon copies of Ike"
Lucina fights like Marth
"Where did you learn to fight like that?"
"From my father"
Did Sakurai even play Awakening
>>337856009
Final Smashes are just all around fucking pointless.
>>337856147
he said Fates was a dating sim
>>337856009
I liked the Big Gay Dance. It wasn't at all effective but it was a thousand times more fun. Kind of like Cook Kirby. All the Final Smashes this time around are functional instead of wacky and out there. In general I miss the Waddle Dee Throw.
>>337856263
That's bullshit and you know it.
At best he said the dating sim-like features are entirely optional and didn't hamper his enjoyment of the game.
>>337856313
>All the Final Smashes this time around are functional instead of wacky and out there.
3DS hardware limits.
>>337844023
>Why does Sakurai never bother to give the transformation characters (ie Giga Bowser, Giga Mac, Mega Lucario, etc) their own corresponding palette swaps?
Licensing
SEGA doesn't want a red Sonic. Gamefreak doesn't want a purple Pikachu, etc.
>>337856460
he only argued that so he can defend why Smash Tour isn't so fucking shit
>direct translations
>lack the charm of the English localization that even Sakurai himself preferred
>since JAPAN, no Hades because he's boring over there
>Palutena's replacement VA is boring
>DLC characters get a generic one
>classic is absolute rushed, padded garbage, made me want to replay subspace emisary
>FE favoritism
>quarter of the cast has a counter
>no L cancelling
>ledge snapping
>no option to turn stage hazards off
>somehow a bit WORSE than brawl
you'd think sakurai would know that fans want a game SLIGHTLY faster than brawl.
"middleground" my ass
>>337856313
>>337856485
Dedede still could have been putting on the mask and getting real like Warioman.
>>337856645
Literally the one instance where memehouse memes would have paid off.
Nope enjoy ur japanese ""humor""
>>337856645
>the one time Treehouse was actually needed
>>337855442
>>337855723
I feel like this was the nail on the coffin for my trust on Sakurai. Removing Ice Climbers and Lucas in the beginning, but also removing the good things from Brawl was the last straw. That and his decisions are shit really.
As a Starfy fan myself, he's terribly misrepresented as the assist he is. Hell, people all assume Starfy is this weak piece of shit characters thanks to his portrayal in smash.
The only thing I can hope now is a crossover with Kirby, aka HAL collabing with Tose at this point, maybe from there if the story ever focused more on Starfy or something, it could lead to him being more well known.
>2 of the dlc fighters were clones
>Ryu was gimmicky
>Corrin was completely unacceptable
>They didn't bother to give Cloud an English voice actor
>Bayonetta should not have won the ballot
Why is Mewtwo the only acceptable DLC?
Even then he still isn't that good
>>337856550
Yeah but Mac and Bowser are in-house characters aren't they?
Unless Next Level Games and Miyamoto doesn't want Giga Mac and Giga Bowser to have alts for some reason. I mean in Punch-Out!! Wii the second player in Versus Mode could turn into Giga Mac with the corresponding colors.
>>337856902
>Removing Ice Climbers
That was only because of the 3DS version. If the next Smash's hardware was strong enough, they'll be back.
>>337856645
>>since JAPAN, no Hades because he's boring over there
i hate this
just one day, I'll mod him into Brawl/Sm4sh over Dark fucking Pit.
>>337856550
>implying NLG gives a fuck about recolored Mac
They just didn't care.
>>337856991
Dunno.
I just know this is the reason behind guys like PAC-MAN or Sonic only getting different colored shoes
>>337836787
>3DS remembers your preferred colors for characters.
>Wii U version doesn't.
and
>Farming Crazy Orders for hats.
>Make a custom build that starts with the Home Run Bat.
>You are significantly more likely to drop the bat when hit than the AI the further you go.
>>337854472
We could have a different smash games on, with another roster more like Jump US
>>337857134
Not just colours it also remembered your control set. I hate accidentally hitting up and jumping.
>you can get custom repeats
>you can't just buy the damn things with all those excess coins you have since the trophy shop doesn't even have 1/4 of the trophies
>Midgar has two fucking songs
I know it's probably an issue with Square not wanting to give Nintendo the rights but damn I was disappointed.
>>337848721
>Diddy Kong will never have his DK64 voice
>>337857567
>One-Winged Angel wasn't one of them
ONE
JOB
>>337836787
Sakurai made a lot of weird decisions in Smash bros.
>Wario = le gross fart man
>Sonic stands around with his hands on his hips gayly
>Link is heavy as fuck instead of light and acrobatic
>DK and Diddy are hyperactive retards instead of the "cool and reserved" versions from the original DKC trilogy.
>Ganondorf jogs around doing karate
>>337856902
>Ice Climbers
Honestly no one would care about them if they weren't added in Melee. They're like Jigglypuff, Shiek, and Captain Falcon at this point. Smash characters.
As much as I like Starfy he isn't All-star material either. Only 1 of 5 games released worldwide and the 4 released in Japan didn't really reach critical acclaim. Not to mention Tose is basically dead. They haven't made anything but shovelware during the past decade and haven't released anything for 3 years.
Let's be real. He's an assist trophy for a reason.
3DS was a mistake.
>>337857723
Those complaints mostly sounds like your autistic headcanon disagreeing with Sakurai's.
>HAVING TO PAY $5.99 FOR A JAPANESE VOICE, AND A SHITTY HAZARDOUS BATTLEFIELD WITH 2 SONGS
WHEN WILL THEY STOP
>reused assets
>>337857904
>Bowser Jr. is not a clone
>Bowser Jr. is not uninspired, has a creative moveset
>provides the Koopalings without taking 8 slots total
I really don't see the problem people have with him.
>>337857904
>>337855194
>>337847335
man OP said no rosterfagging yet still can't keep out the roster autists out of the thread.
sad.
>>337858104
muh paintbrush staff
>>337857723
>Wario = le gross fart man
You can thank the latter games and the fact that he's based more on WarioWare.
>You can't customize the character select screen music to be the original 64 rendition, aka the match results screen music
>>337857904
>removes Jr.
>leaves in Rosalina
m8 I know your excuse is "padding"
don't be a hypocrite
>>337858089
>Nintendo will literally have Charles record a few dozen new WAHOOS for spinoffs and NSMBs
>Mario completely reuses clips from Brawl
>>337857904
I think it's bait, but why cut Sonic?
Can't be third party hate since you didn't touch the others.
>>337858089
you have under 5 years to decide everything and prepare up stuff for a brand new game
who wouldn't use old assets? Metaknight and Lucario's models is literally Brawl's only w/ an updated polygon count+textures.
>>337858326
>tfw no 64 sound effects
>tfw polygon team model costumes
JUST
>>337857904
>cut every pokemon but keep greninja cuz m-muh naruto
What a faggot
>>337858447
>make the art style of the new game bright and colorful
>reuse gritty Mario
Not to mention Charles would gladly record new Mario WAHOOS.
>>337858325
>muh dashing treasure hunter
He was gross even in one of his most popular games. Pic related. Courtesy of Wario Land 4.
I wish Samus could change her beam type and give the charge shot different properties for utility.
>Power beam: classic charge shot, best knockback
>Wave beam: low knockback, ignores shields, autoaims like Sonics neutral B
>Ice beam: freeze effect
>Plasma beam: best damage, eats shields
Just for the fun of it.
>>337836787
>They had the DACUS tech in from Brawl during the original 3DS release and then they removed it
>Vectoring (and Wectoring by extension) were actually kind of cool, then they removed those too because of people living too long (when they should have just nerfed recovery options)
>Momentum is not carried from a run into a jump, making moves like a dash-into-knee with Falcon feel incredibly unsatisfying
>No L-Cancelling, it was in Smash 64 as well as Melee
>Those fucking ledge mechanics, even Brawl had it better and Brawl still had some retarded magnet ledges
Like, I get it. I'm not asking for a Melee 2 (or 3 if you count PM) - I know as well as the next guy that it's never happening, that it probably wouldn't be the healthiest thing for the franchise, and that wavedashing certainly has no place in the series. With that being said, the fact that Sakurai is actively ANTI-tech skill (actually going so far as to remove stuff that was in there at initial launch) combined with some stuff that simply doesn't make a fucking lick of sense like momentum not carrying into a jump, it just really stops me from enjoying the game.
I've never been to a tournament in my life and I couldn't pick up a space animal in my life, but Sakurai's staunchly anti-competitive viewpoint actually hurts us mid-level Smash fans as well as the tourneyfags. Who benefits, exactly?
>>337858042
Blame Square Enix for being shitheads.
>>337858447
>think the Koopalings just have recycled NSMB voice clips
>they actually have a few newly recorded cries
>they couldn't do this for Mario
Not being able to toggle lucinas mask on with her taunt
>>337836787
>Fox's character is an adult
>Sounds like a little kid
JUST
At least he sounded older in Zero
I want this in my fucking matches REEEEEEEEE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4I9h7SkZICg
>Animal Crossing characters don't appear in the background of omega Town and City and Smashville
>>337853023
Is FF7 even gonna fucking come out on Wii U?
>>337858996
just ctrl+f the pastebins posted ITT
>>337859234
>Smashville's music didn't just go into Town and City
>>337858985
I think Smash had a lack of voice direction overseas. It would explain Palutena's painfully uninterested voice acting among other voice issues. I know Sakurai personally oversaw some of them. For sure he did that for Cloud. So I don't blame him on English voices.
>>337858985
i wonder when Nibroc will mod in Zero Fox over Sm4sh's?
>>337836787
>Ganondorf's face
JUST
>R.O.B.'s upthrow nerf when other characters have kill throws that kill way below 170
>Why R.O.B. doesn't have his own stage but instead gets lumped in with wrecking crew (which is a mario game)
>Everything about arm rotor
>WHY THE FUCKING R.O.B. MIIVERSE PAGE IS ABSOLUTE CANCER TO DIG THROUGH WITH ONE IN EVERY 200 BEING SOMETHING DECENT AND NOT A CHILD DRAWING A DICK OR A BUNCH OF SCRIBBLES
>>337859630
>okay we're done with Link and Zelda, what do we do for Ganondorf?
>who gives a fuck make him clay or something
>>337858325
>>337858643
>Even implying that the actual Wario Land games and the actual WarioWare games ever put THIS much emphasis on Wario being nothing more than a walking toilet joke
This shit ain't in MY games and that's where it matters. The ONLY games that ever did such was freaking Super Mario Strikers where it was the most obvious (made by a american developing team nonetheless), Master of Disguise writing wise, one FREAKING micro-game from Smooth Moves and part of a dialogue in one of the tutorial parts from DIY where it was merely IMPLIED.
You don't flanderize a character THIS much without pulling a few strings out of your ass.
Wario may have been gross at some points, he may have farted once in a while, but I never saw fucking farting ever being involved gameplay wise in my fucking games and now he's treated as if he's the most abominable thing to ever exist and god forbid if you even like the character.
>>337859542
If nothing else Zero shows that Nintendo listened to all the complaining about modern Fox.
>VA uses deeper voice
>improved head.
>>337859542
model imports aren't possible yet
>>337856645
>>Palutena's replacement VA is boring
That's because Ali Hillis was busy and quite seriously got one of her mates to do it. I don't even think this friend of hers had any voice acting experience beforehand.
Fuck me she sounds like a top bloke, actually just giving her friend a job like that
>Hey I'm kinda busy, do you want to voice in fucking Smash Bros?
>>337857729
As a fan, I do know that Japan doesn't seem to care much about him anymore. Hell, his co-creator is too busy working on FE games, which have become waifu simulators as of late. But, I still want to believe and I still hold this hope that maybe, one day, we'll get him back in a crossover or in smash. Anything to help the guy out for the better.
And hey, his assist is portrayed as shit, you can't deny that.
>>337858679
Exploits are not tech. And l-canceling made autocanceling nearly obsolete.
What exactly is wrong with polishing your game so characters don't have random glitches?
>>337859650
>implying all the other Miiverse pages aren't also cancer
>LE EPIN DONG EXPAND XDDDD
>I WANT TO FUCK ROSALINA
>I WANT BOWSER'S COCK
>memes up the wazoo
Miiverse was a mistake.
>>337857723
>>337859838
>complaining about the fart
>not the stupid bite or his Up-B which only shares the name with a completely different move
>>337836787
Did every fucking trophy had to be a joke in some way? Did Classic mode needed to beome an unplayable mess? Is there even a point behind Event mode since characters and stages are no longer bound to it.
I hate to namedrop Melee but I can't believe that game also handled all the single player content better. Having all characters unlocked in Melee was a symbol of status among casual players. Let alone unlocking Battlefield and Final Destination.
>>337857723
Wario was a gross farting man even during WL. There is literally a canon translation where he weighs the benefits of poop flavored garlic vs garlic flavored poop.
>>337859838
>emphasis
It's one fucking move autismo.
>>337860268
Why was U classic so awful when 3DS classic amazing?
>>337859861
>model imports aren't possible yet
i thought they were
>>337859838
The fart is one move. You should be bitching about literally everything else Wario has that manages to not be gross while at the same time having nothing to do with Wario.
>>337860463
hahahaha
>>337860397
that's a vertex edit
>>337860397
>Pac-Man eyes
>>337860397
That looks terrible.
>>337860127
>Fox is still full of Krystal/#FreeWolf posts
goddamn.
>>337860471
Remember some anon posting a story about him asking Charles Martinet about the future of Wario and he just responds with a big WAAAA STIIIIINKY and let's out a big farting noise.
>>337836787
>Ness and Lucas's shirts aren't tucked in and slipping out like in every past smash game and all concept art
>dedede's idle animations and crouch pose are better taunts than his actual taunts
>sonic's spin has only one soundfile, and half of his moves have him spinning
>for the first time in a sakurai game, the menus were confusing. Single player seemed hidden away with all the other modes instead of a main focus. I don't particularly love the aesthetic in the man's menus, but they worked pretty well in the other games as far as information layout went.
>when playing online, if you want to quit out of lobby, you have to press start, then touch the middle of the bottom screen on the 3DS to leave. There's no button combination or anything. You are forced to shift your hand and press the touch screen with your thumb like a madman. Maybe that was so people wouldn't cancel out accidentally but it's still stupid. Then the menu won't let you use the touchscreen even though the buttons are huge and inviting
>>337860375
I wish I was just talking about the move itself too, but you can clearly see the description they lovingly gave him for his trophy.
>>337860239
And at least the bite could POSSIBLY be a reference to Wario World and the Up-B a reimagining of when he gets the Spring power up in a Wario Land game but that may be a far'fetched thought.
>Push a button
>5-6 frame delay
>Then action comes out
i didn't think I would care this much but after going back and playing previous installments in the series this really fucking bugs me.
>>337860718
still way better than the shitty fanon Ninten redesigns at least.
>>337860853
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87sCDkT6xPM
The man loves everything about Wario.
>>337860889
>may be
Yeah, and Luigi's Green Missile is based on the ending of Luigi's Mansion where Mario shot out of the Ghost Portrificationizer.
>>337860113
>exploits are not tech
then masenko samurai should put actual tech into the game so people don't have to scramble to find this extra shit themselves
>>337836787
The roster is filled with anime sword characters
>>337860853
Some of his Vine videos also have him clearly voicing Wario while audibly making loud farting noises.
>>337861038
>I'm fishing.
>Look.
I don't know why I'm laughing.
>>337858657
>Samus' beam is STILL some made up bullshit instead of the Power Beam or stacked beam
>Charge beam still doesn't work like it does in the games
This has bothered me since 64, and Brawl actually making her missiles and super missiles game accurate just made the beam issue worse for me.
>Final Smash is still the made up bullshit Zero Laser instead of a Power Bomb, the Hyper Beam, Hypermode, Omega Cannon, or any of the canon super weapons Samus has actually used
Just why? I could even accept the Zero Laser if it was a giant rainbow fuck you blast that resembled Mother Brain's version rather than a generic blue.
>>337860778
>Wolf
Don't remind me. Fuck the ballot. I'll never understand why Wolf was so popular.
>muh original moveset not a clone
Laughable considering he's a Frankenstein's monster of a character. Literally taking bits and pieces from a bunch of other characters.
It's probably just gay furfags as opposed to the straight furfags that clamored for Krystal.
>>337849538
Can i play online after doing this?
>>337844235
For portables the menu works great.
Considering the Wii U version doesn't use the touch screen a better menu should have been made
>>337861485
His fanbase is also a Frankenstein's monster, a Frankenstein's monster of villainfags, furfags, assaultfags, brawlfags the whoooole caboose
>>337855282
DO NOT REMIND ME OF ROSALINA. We all thought it was Air Ride 2
>>337861495
if you're just using capuwiino or whatever to replace music you don't have to worry about anything
>>337861670
>IT'S AIR RIDE 2
>NO, IT'S KIRBY IN MARIO KART 8
>Rosalina
>>337861771
pretty much. Almost every reveal trailer was good(DH being week due to releasing after the 3DS launch) but Rosalina was just a troll reveal
>>337861771
>>337861670
damn trailer had a blazing smash cross at the start
should have known it was a newcomer>tfw Rosalina was the start of the fall of the Smash 4 hype mood
>>337861670
>>337861771
>started off with the SHING
Come on, guys.
>>337836787
Shitty online
Onlien shitters
I can forgive a lot of sm4sh's problems simply due to the fact that they had to make two versions with completely different stages, but they could've at least gone in a whole new style like the jump from persona 4 to 5.
>>337856645
Doc Louis would have been more appropriate.
>3DS and Wii U having exclusive things in general- 3DS has a few nice stages and other things, but I can't stand playing with the circlepad.
>The obvious "you can't turn off stage hazards"
>3DS remembering alt costumes but not Wii U
>No option at all to default a player name like 3DS version and having to put it in every time.
>The "pick-and-choose" method of alts. Little Mac gets 16, Wario loses some and gets 8.
>The inconsistency of Dark Pit and Lucina not being alts when there are characters like Olimar/Alph, yet no Dark Samus, and Dark Pit doesn't even take advantage of what wide variety of items the game has.
>Ness and Lucas's shirts not tucked out
>The menu navigation. Shoving novelty modes like Smash Run/Tour on the front and burying things that should be one or two button presses away (having you choose Solo/Co-Op is a huge waste since you can just have them press Start from the character select menu). Even Brawl didn't put Subspace front and center and that was a big selling point and best way of unlocking the characters.
>Not making the menus touchscreen/Wiimote pointer accessible, especially with icons that look like they were meant for touchscreens.
>Stage Builder and Angry Birds Target edition are awful.
>Lucina
>LoZ being some of the worst characters again and still in their TP appearances, especially after seeing what HW did for them. No new characters, Sheik but no Impa, the list goes on.
>How spiteful the atmosphere seems in general when it comes to balance, like lack of patch notes when Splatoon has shown that they can easily release patch notes.
>>337837796
No fucking joke, he changed it because he thought the new one was stronger
>>337858148
I talked about the gameplay, there is no need for anything else i don't give a fuck about 1p, and lucina is shit. Go fuck yourself, you aren't higher than anyone else in the thread.
>>337862327
>smash 4's online is dead
Yet I still get games within one second?
What brothers me about Smash WiiU?
>slow physics
>OP counters kill the fun
>lack of diversity in combos
>braindead easy and annoying setups
>low skill floor
>Smash tour
>custom moves are wasted potential
>no Snake
>no Wolf
>no Banjo
>target tests are worse than Brawl
>random drops for custom moves
>no boss rush
>all the single player modes suck dick
>classic is shit now
>so is All Star
>the clones are lame as tits
>Corrin getting in
>Corrin as a character is annoying to fight
>as are a lot of chars, the game isn't fun
>FG cunts. And I can't even tell them off
>no adventure mode
>lack of options online
>no online ranking for matchmaking
>vs. Mode against CPUs is ass
>items are too crazy to be fun anymore
>Smashballs are still a wasted concept
>no rhyme or reason to character design
>some fighters not faithful to source material and are wasted potential, Dorf, Samus, etc...
>very few alt costumes
>no option to turn off stage hazards
>game is overly defensive and thus boring due to a lack of proper defensive mechanics
>actual fighting game chars break the game because of this
>Smash balls are still wasted potential
>game tries too hard to be "unique" by shunning fighting game fans
>lack if innovation compared to PM across the board
Yeah, the redeeming qualities of the game are the visuals, the newcomers, and how easy its turning out to mod it. I can't wait to mod it.
Project M reborn, here we come!!
>>337851738
Overalls Wario had 8 colors in Brawl, which was axed to 4 in Sm4sh.
>>337862119
>>337862060
She was also the 3rd or 4th revealed character and there was only 1 other reveal trailer prior so the cross animation wasn't associated.
1st trailer: SSB4/Villager/MM. WFT didn't get a public trailer but instead just announced on the show floor at E3
2nd trailer: Rosalina
>>337862524
>tits are lame
nigga u gay
>>337862628
>so the cross animation wasn't associated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvudMu-5kIU
You're an idiot if you thought it wasn't going to be Smash related.
>>337862628
>and there was only 1 other reveal trailer prior so the cross animation wasn't associated
with what? smash? the first trailer had it
why would you think another SHING would lead to kirby air ride?
>>337862683
>doesn't love the DFC
Where do you think you are?
>>337862375
No he wouldn't. I'm sick of this meme.
>conversations with a silent protagonist
>CHOCOLATE BARS MAC BABY HAHAHA
>JOIN CLUB NINTENDO SON
The Doc's support in Mac's taunts and victory animations are more than enough.
>>337862476
Who cares, it's tr4sh.
>>337862524
>all this shit
>>Project M reborn, here we come!!
>>337862476
I have payed attention. The shitters flooded online when new character got released like when Cloud and Bay showed up.
once the dust settles, you are mostly playing with people what will give you strait forward matches.
>>337839637
It wouldn't make sense for when he just dies quickly, but I could totally see it working during star KOs, since there is plenty of time to have the full sound play.
>>337862852
They're still tits you donut.
>>337862524
>>Project M reborn, here we come!!
more like never
you want PMDT to come shit up the Sm4sh modding community with their monopoly bullshit again?
>>337862524
>>low skill floor
Smash isn't a fighting game, retard.
>>337839637
>>337839746
I asked the guys in the Smash Wii hacking discord chat, and apparently Pac-Man doesn't even have a KO sound slot at all.
We'd have to make one from scratch for him at some point in the future.
>>337862852
>DFC
hello fag
>>337842395
Substitute would have worked better as an escape ability. You sacrifice some damage to set it up, and if you quickly press down-b, regardless of your landing lag, vulnerability, or stun lock, you can escape attacks and let the substitute take the damage for you, but you have to trigger it at the right time, and it cannot avoid grabs. The more you use it, the more damage it costs to use. Maybe %10 for the first one, then up by 10 for each extra one.
It'd fit Greninja's theme, have a lot of neat tech potential, and also make it far more risky to use.
>>337863235
Nobody said the PMDT have to do it.
But I suppose it wouldn't be called "Project MU" or whatever.
>>337836787
Best trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9ytrX0wweA
>>337862963
I tried to love Smash 4, I really did, but 90% if the time I get online, I just wind up getting angry, and nothing else about the gamevis worthwhile. In Melee, I could soend hours fighting CPUs, that's nit the case for WiiU simply cause the game isn't fun l. And sadly, Sakurai has said he'll never make a Smash like that again. I like the newcomers (except Corrin) and I'd like to see them alongside the Brawl cuts with Melee psysics.
>>337845384
>wario being a gross faggot was merely a character trait in his games to show that unlike mario he's a lazy disgusting caricature
>in the games he has a bunch of powerups gained from being hit by enemies and hazards plus tons of attacks and moves iconic to wario
>shoulder charge, butt pound, slam punch from shake it, tons of moves in wario world, costumes, etc.
>sakurai looks at all of this
>lets make him fart lol
i want sakunigger apologists to leave, ive never been as mad as i have when sakurai said he wanted to make every character as close to the source material as possible
>>337863438
>I tried to love Smash 4, but scrubs online beat me
that's sad, especially since it isn't even a fighting game
>>337836787
Fox and Falco's voices. Why the fuck didn't they just keep the older voices from brawl? They sound almost identical sm4sh
>>337863413
yeah, i'm REALLY sure someone or group will replicate how PMDT created Project M. mod monopolies have to be involved in this too.
Sm4sh+ is the closest you'll get.
>>337863235
Who said anything about the PMDT? If you noticed, that's a document I created? I'm working on finishing their work. I'll mod Smash WiiU to be be the game it should be.
And yeah, I'm giving you guys a sneak peak at the community build.
>>337863438
>getting beaten by 4glory scrubs
>spends time fighting CPU in Melee (not even in 20XX)
you're a disgrace
>>337862524
>>337863654
>I'll mod Smash WiiU to be be the game it should be
We both know you're just an idea guy.
>>337863636
The PMDT weren't gods, and desu, looking at their work left from the leaks, they weren't all thst great either. They were good, but from a modelling and animation standpoint, still very much amateurs.
>>337863594
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9-XpcpP-48
You mean voice direction. I don't mind the voice actors themselves but man they dropped the ball in Smash.
>>337863817
>>337863568
I don't think he said anything about losing fagolas.
>smash tour is not fun at all
>smash run doesn't have player interactions
>equipment is worthless
>money is worthless
>all the new items are fire-and-forget annoyances instead of deadly like the old koopa shells and bobombs of yore
>classic mode
>only a couple pokeballs at a time
by the way, the reason rosterfagging exists is because the gameplay is anticompetitive and the minigames and free for alls and item fights and other small things are garbage
roster is the only thing it has, and it failed that too
>last Zelda game had both a Zelda and a combat ready ninja Impa
>split TP Zelda and Sheik into two characters instead of having Zelda and Impa
>>337863973
I didn't, but I don't feel like arguing. Sm4sh babies are retarded.
>>337836787
>no snake
>no point
he was the only character I ever played and they took him out
perfect balance of weight speed mobility and power
>>337863973You'restill getting mad at a party game, fagola.
>>337864067
>thinking I was defending Smash 4 after calling it a party game, which it is, just like Melee
Cute.
>>337864067
>call Smash 4 shit
>BUT THE SM4SH BABIES
no wonder you fought cpus
you're literally retarded
>>337857674
>the one time everyone thought that midgar would be battle, boss and 5 fucking variations of one winged angel
>its just the battle and boss themes
disappointed doesnt even describe how i feel
>>337839891
>Oh, and Robin can somehow use Nosferatu despite not being a Dark Mage and not being able to acquire Shadowgift in Awakening.
That one you kinda have to let go, since they had to do the same for Ness
>poor balance despite multiple "balance" patches
>Melee-tier number of clones
>over-representation of Fire Emblem (six reps, eight if you count female Corrin and Robin) and Kid Icarus (items, Smash run assets, etc)
>too many "gimmicky" characters like Little Mac, Ryu, Shulk, etc.
>too many characters with down-B counters
>too many stages with hazards or bosses (no, omega mode does not make this okay)
>new classic mode is empty-feeling with no special events like target smash to mix things up
>>337863518
drag him into the street and shoot him
wario has no honor, he was meant to be evil not crude
>>337863654
> I'll mod Smash WiiU to be be the game it should be.
Yeah, thanks for giving us yet another anime sword character you absolute faggot
>>337862524
>>337863654
>the game it should be
>puts in another Fire Emblem character with a sword
>>337864018
>implying rosterfags care about tourneyfag shit
they just want their characters in the game. some so they can have their character have a fight with fucking Mario and Cloud. some for the most pettiest reasons/excuses like "muh reps".
most of them of just filthy secondaries that just want fanartists to draw their favorite waifu/husbando they've seen on the internet.
>>337864541
maybe i should say rosterfagging is comparatively larger than before, since tourneyfags don't care about anticompetitive games. it's not like everyone who plays spacies in melee has star fox assault as their favorite game ever
>>337864413
>eight if you count female Corrin and Robin
reaching
>>337864413
>too many characters with down b counters
right up there with
>too many characters with a mash jabs
some make sense like little mac, sure live out your jotaro fantasies
but palutena? corrin? fucking duck hunt?
and they even nerfed the rapid jabs because they have a forced finisher. god forbid i edgeguard with fox jab for longer than 3 seconds and knock them away at a shit angle
>>337864413
>eight if you count female Corrin and Robin
That's stretching it a bit, I think. They're just alternate skins, not totally different characters taking up spots like Marth/Lucina.
1.1.6 is out
Cloud is slow as shit now
The fact that I can't search for an opponent in FG.
Yeah, I know, FG, but why would you have a system where a person can just fight you once and then leave?
>>337864224
>Perfect balance
Rather, he had too much of each.
>>337836787
What's wrong with the roster? It's the best one in the series.
>>337850998
Does Shulk even have a victory theme in Xenoblade?
>>337864253
When did I say that dumbass? I'm not even mad.
This is the point out the missed opportunities of the game thread right?
>>337863518
wariofags are pretty disgusting, desu
>>337865120
>I'm not even mad.
You were mad enough to samefag and ignorantly assume people calling Sm4sh a party game were defending it.
>>337864531
>Implying lyn is like that
>Posts a meme grappler that isn't even asked for 3rd party wise
Not even him, cool sketches though
>>337864858
>fucking duck hunt?
duck hunt doesn't even have a counter
>>337865105
no
the game has several fanfares for finding things but they don't work as victory themes
>>337865291
What the fuck? when did I samefag? I think you got me confused anon, calm your autism.
>>337865371
i was talking about mashing a for jabs, not counters
>>337865334
>has a sword
>implying I even drew that
>not seeing the similarities between his "document to make the game like it should be" and some fan online making a doodle of their favorite character
>Gamepad has no touch screen usage apart from stage builder
Literally why. Just have it for menus, that's easy enough.
>>337865105
OP said he doesn't want to rosterfag but discuss the little details Sakurai actually fucked up on
like Paletuna new VA being weak or Dark Pit not just using the DP staff as his standard special
>>337865105
>What's wrong with the roster?
Reading comprehension, Anon.
>can't include Chrom because "he fights like Ike"
>except he doesn't, at all
>uses sword, Fire Emblem as a shield, and wields spears
>also "he doesn't have an Aether recovery move"
>except he does have Aether
>shit on Chrom in Robin trailer and in-game
>also Lucina is a clone of Marth
>but she learned how to fight from her dad
>like, it's a plot point in FE that Chrom recognizes her style
>so she should be a clone of Chrom
>but no, muh Marth
>>337865503
>Has a sword
>So its auto like another character
Anon please.
>>337864943
>Marth got combos out of grab
>Aether kills now
>That Phantom Slash frame data
>Witchtime hitbox got metaknight'd
Noice
>wait 30 minutes to enter tourney in tournament mode
>get kicked out by nintendo's shitty internet
FUCK
>>337865707
>>shit on Chrom in Robin trailer and in-game
IntSys did asked Sakurai to do that tbqh
>>337836787
It's not melee
>>337865867
https://boards.fireden.net/v/thread/337843096/#337843096
is this you anon?
>>337864943
>Cloud is slow as shit now
GOOD
>>337857904
>Taking out Dr. Mario and the Puff
>>337865960
>It's not *a melee killer
fixed
>>337865859
>>Witchtime hitbox got metaknight'd
is this bad as in Brawl, or good as in Sm4sh.
>>337865707
>>can't include Chrom because "he fights like Ike"
>Meanwhile Sakurai puts in Lucina and Dark Pit
>Then the literally who protag from the new Fire Emblem
>>337866137
Brawl was the Melee killer, only people who still play Melee are tourneyfags while Brawl is still strong at parties 8 years later.
>>337851949
screenshot this post
marth, ike, and roy are old news.
Lucina is the new mascot of FE.
Camilla and Takumi are next for FE
>>337866427
>only people who still play Melee are tourneyfags while Brawl is still strong at parties 8 years later.
except Brawl's dead everywhere and all the casual fucks left to Smash 4.
don't even bring modding as an excuse, it's just bugs eating it's corpse
>>337847335
i really do not understand why no one wanted her in smash until they revealed she was an assist trophy and then everyone got mad that she wasn't in
>>337866649
Please no.
>>337866427
>Brawlfags still exist
>>337866050
wasn't banned, just a communication error happened because nintendo's internet sucks
Isn't Smash Wii U proving really easy to mod?
>voice files easily replaced
>music easily added without replacing current songs
>230+ new potential alternate colors for each characters without replacing old ones
this is fucking nuts
>>337866986
No amount of modding will make Angry Birds Blast not shit.
>>337866724
i find it very funny how all the casual elitism suddenly shifted since Apex 2014 and all the ex-Brawlfags suddenly want to compete with Melee with Sm4sh through the adapt meme.
that and people making fun of competitive Smash player, we have daily threads of /v/eekend, nightly threads of Melee netplay, and even streams cheering for M2K and Zer0 on camera.
>>337866986
And as >>337849253 pointed out every character has their own victory music slot.
At some point we'll probably be able to freely add new characters and stages without the use of a clone engine like PM due to the game being built around DLC.
>>337866724
>sold 500k copies last year
>when the Wii wasn't even being manufactured anymore
Yeah okay
>>337836787
>didn't incorporate the FE's weapons triangle
Man, just like Pokemon, FE should have had a predetermined roster because since they're generation based games, so obvious the devs should have known that if they add every protag from each game, you'll have FE characters out the ass. An ideal FE roster would be:
Marth (Literally OG, sword user, perfect)
Ike (Heavyweight sword user)
Ephiram (Lance)
Hector (Axe)
Robin should stay because he's a magic user, and he's an avatar unit.
That's 5 representatives who aren't all sword users. Corrin's presence literally overshadows Robin's existence in Smash because he's just a blander version of Robin personality wise. Unique moveset, but dumb inclusion.
>>337867341
The boat for Ephraim and Hector has long since passed my dude.
As for realistic lance users at this point in time, we could have had Azura.
>>337867341
>because since they're generation based games, so obvious the devs should
meant to say "since they're generation based games, obviously the devs..."
>>337853113
>>Upward KOs can be the Explosion one thus fucking over Jigglypuff getting Rest KOs sometimes
THIS THIS THIS THOUSAND TIMES THIS! This was hands down the WORST shit he could have done. Rather than keeping it consistent and just being either explosion or star deaths you now have RNG deaths that punish risk taking players like Jiggly rest.
>>337867296
>>sold 500k copies last year
yeah man that's a lot
3DS is still raking in more than Brawl does each year. only thing keeping it alive is just modders who don't have a good rig to do Brawl mods on Dolphin.
>>337846481
lmao if you think that chomp is useless then you truly don't know anything about wario
>>337867207
What I don't understand is why can't we just acknowledge that both games are for different people?
I'm a Smash 4 fag, don't like Melee and never have, but I don't go into Melee threads falseflagging and shitposting. I understand that some people want to continue playing the game they've spent years practicing.
At the same time, Meleefags should realize that not everyone wants to pick up a used copy of Melee and play a game that's running on 15 years old.
It's just constant shitflinging and I'm sick of it.
>>337867694
I mean, for a game that's been out for almost 10 years, that's pretty impressive.
>>337866427
>Brawl was the Melee killer
it wasn't
by Melee killer, i meant dethroning Melee competitive following and sharp gameplay, not forcing people to play it's botch down take on it.
still can't believe people are still think Brawl will come back in any form, even Minus and Project Malarkey couldn't save it.
If both the single player and novel modes like stadium are gonna suck such mondo fucking chode AGAIN, along with barely changing since Melee, i'd rather they scorch-earth a lot of these modes and just turn the screws on the multiplayer which is why people by this shit in the first place
ditch shit like trophies (and related modes), angry birds blast/home run contest/, adventure mode, masterpieces, smash tour, stage builder, etc. Smash Run could actually be great with some more work put into it, and to be able to play with several people on the board of course
a grand effort into good stage design, which i seriously think is the weakest aspect amongst all smash titles
also, make items fun again. They're way too fucking overtuned in this game
And make this <--- and item too
>>337855150
Your comment there has absolutely nothing wrong with OP's pic
I think in general the attention to detail in this game is really fucking poor. Particularly for a game that is supposed to be fanservice.
Can't wait for modding to get into full swing.
>>337867971
>competitive Smash
>>337868158
>muh niche 1v1 fighters
>>337844449
>Using a similar style of menus is laziness
I bet you think hearing tokaka's' song is waste of OST
If there's one series that could make beyond fucking bank off cosmetic microtransactions, it's this one
35+ years of canon material to draw from, for taunts/colors/costumes/victory screen animations/avatars/whatever
Instead they just shovel that shit onto the nameless avatar Miis which no one wants to play in an ocean of awesome characters
If they did pump up a cosmetic store like that in the future, i hope the trade off is new characters and game modes being free
>>337853638
this is one of the first video games i ever played desu
>>337868398
But it is. It's just a shitty meme song and the novelty has already been lost.
>3DS
>Paper Mario Trophies consist of Sticker Star
>Wii U
>Trophies for Paper Mario are everything else except Mario, Peach and Bowser
Why
For what purpose
I like seeing Bleck, goombella and there getting trophies
But why to omit Mario peach and Bowser?
The design to have exclusive trophies was really fucking stupid
Also
>>>>>Out of all the N64 PM assets they could've used, they chose the fucking Bank Pigs
>>337859764
Link's face looks slightly off too.
The fact that theres no story mode and even less single player content than brawl. His reasoning for no story mode is literally retarded
>>337853772
I legitimately think that it's one of the worst major video games ever made. I hate that game more than I can even explain. That piece of shit has pissed me off ever since I was a child
>People STILL claim Lucas is a clone
When will this meme end? The only """""""clone"""""" part about him are his specials which are vastly reworked and and more unique than Lucina and Dark Pit. He doesn't deserve to be put in that level of shit.He's as much as a clone as Ganondorf is of Falcon but you spergs aren't complaining to have him removed now are you?
>>337836787
I was thinking about buying a cheap wii u to play this game and practice for a monthly tourney... but this thread proved otherwise. I'll just play prjoct m on my pc with my 1 friend who barely wants to play anymore cuz I kil him with bowser everytime
>>337868423
I think Sakurai was planning on doing character costume DLC at some point. >>337866986
As this guy noted we can have up to 200 alts via modding and we don't even have to replace anything.
Is there something off about 3DS controls? I feel so sluggish putting in inputs it's ridiculous
>>337866986
>>337868910
The big question is how stable is it after it's been modded? Brawl has a habit of crashing a lot after being modded.
>>337850375
The clones in Smash 4 were added in late in development just to fill the roster a bit. It's dumb, but it's not like they took the spot from any other character.
Roy is another story, though. He was just added to appeal to Melee nostalgia, because he sure as hell doesn't appeal to Fire Emblem fans.
>>337868423
Oh hush
Don't pretend it wasn't inevitable for Mii's
The fact of the matter is that Samurai found a great way of implementing them
People ignore that Mii's are extremely flexible, Nintendo has done a ton with them
>>337868957
A lot of people (myself included) had trouble getting used to the circlepad, maybe it's something like that?
>>337867840
>What I don't understand is why can't we just acknowledge that both games are for different people?
because there are still idiots out their with their "One Smash Order" mentality, especially on /v/.
>I'm a Smash 4 fag, don't like Melee and never have, but I don't go into Melee threads falseflagging and shitposting. I understand that some people want to continue playing the game they've spent years practicing.
that's really cool, bro.
>At the same time, Meleefags should realize that not everyone wants to pick up a used copy of Melee and play a game that's running on 15 years old.
now a days it's just PM leftovers still upholding the idea of a Smash that can dethrone Melee competitively while shelling out the juicy content like Brawl.
with Sakurai's recent comment on Melee, most of us Melee fans accepted that sticking with Melee and helpful mods like 20XX or Faster Melee is for the better not hoping for an official remaster, a mod of a recent game, or a change up to Sakurai's direction to newer Smashes' gameplay to do anything.
>>337869073
Been pretty stable me for as long as everything is installed properly.
>>337853176
Pacman's integration was to represent Namco Arcade's in general
You appreciate his move set more when you realize that
>>337868713
You're spot on about how different Lucas is.
That and Lucas mains are actually good compared to braindead PK fire spam from 90% of all Ness mains.
>Faking out with PSI magnet
>Landing a b-air into up-smash
>Using z-air to approach
>Landing at just the right moment to cancel PK-Fire to fuck with people
Ness just can't compete.
>>337846928
>Ness: Mother 2
>Lucas: Mother 3
>their victory theme: Mother 1
Fuck this planet
>>337869214
That's great and all my dude yay namco nostalgia and shit but is a little more pac justice in the music department honestly too much to ask?
>it's a scenery porn flying stage with brief stops at set locations with random assortments of generic thin platforms
>if it's not that, it's completely flat and MAYBE some platforms fly in
Is it too much to ask for more stages like this and Onett? I'm not even sure what the word I'm looking for to describe these stages is.
>>337853239
>same goes for shimomura with the dream team song
Bullshit
The remix is basically the overworld battle theme in the style of Dream World
And it sounds a lot better because the Dream World battle theme is THE GOAT Mario and Luigi Battle Song, the original got props for being catchy, but Victory in Dreamworld is the superior song
>>337847506
>complains about taunts being unnoticeable
>somehow doesn't mention Doc having what could literally pass for idle animations
>>337866649
>Camilla and Takumi are next for FE
NO
DON'T GET FUCKING TAKUMI NEAR SMASH
>>337869252
>Lucas mains are actually good
Fishing for d-throw combos is all Smash 4 is
>>337852848
The only bad remix was Reset Bomb forest
Palutena's temple was GOAT adding the chorus
But hey, Atleast they kept the boss theme
>>337867341
Corrin is the closest you'll get to a spear user in Smash
same for Ike for Axe-based gameplay.
>>337869375
Stages without annoying gimmicksof course there's the tornado, but still
>>337869375
Stages with effort put into them and an actual attempt at building a stage around smash's classic 4-player free-for-all design mentality, that might be the phrase you're looking for.
>>337869553
>The only bad remix was Reset Bomb forest
>Lightning Chariot Base
>>337868423
>Instead they just shovel that shit onto the nameless avatar Miis which no one wants to play in an ocean of awesome characters
they're literally there due to Attack of Titan and DBZ fanboys begging Sakurai to add their non-vidya trash into Smash.
if they can expand on Mii Fighters, that would be really great.
>>337869553
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFrDMZtl3lM
>GOAT
No
>has unlock for saving 300000G
>doesn't tell you at the start
Holy fuck, when I unlocked a challenge next to that one I seriously considered using a hammer. I'd been spending the fucking money like you'd expect someone to when there's also a challenges to get fucktons of trophies.
>>337869375
you want stages with actual nuanced design/structure to them and not random hostile NPCs that constantly intrude and screen wipe, or a cop out battlefield clone. You and nearly everyone else want more of this
crazy stages can be fun when not too intrusive though like Halberd and Big Blue
even my casual friends who know nothing of the smash community gravitate to stages like Temple, Hyrule 64, Onett and Corneria because they're a set structured stage thats not too fuckign crazy
Ditch blastzone-scrollers like Pac-Land and Icicle Mountain. no one likes them
>>337869375
Stationary
>>337836787
of course when this comes up I can't think of anything
>no fountain of dreams
that's the best I got
>>337869553
>Palutena's temple was GOAT adding the chorus
The original Destroyed Skyworld was amazing on its own. It should have been a separate remix.
>Hades' six second loop
>no Lightning Battle, First Town, Dog's Theme, Chaos Island
>>337869468
This. Fucking this. Can someone fucking analyze why the fucking fuck grabbing to d throw has become THE way to win? I don't remember it being this way with the old games, but now its like every damn C. Falcon and Sheik and every other character has to win by stupid good grabs that somehow get you from a yard away?
I mean shit, did no one on the team not see this probelm and decide to put in anti grabs, grab reversals, or any way to get out of it that doesn't include mashing a button?
>omega mode makes every stage into FD
>when Battlefield and smashville are more legal
>>337864413
>mfw animal crossing has 8 (EIGHT) characters
Fucking Samurai shoving animal crossing up our asses! What the fuck with this over-representationYou sound this retarded.
>>337869468
It's kind of frustrating how accurate your reply is.
I can't even go a game anymore without running into this, unless I get incredibly lucky.
Same goes for some tryhard that loses, switches to toon link or Samus and uses nothing but projectiles for 3 minutes, all while taunting as if they aren't using the most basic scrub tier approach in any fighting game..
Also
>Those people that obviously use their amiibos to play the game for them
>They are easy to fake out by walking and delaying attacks, using footstools or gimping
>They get mad as fuck and leave
Also, I decided to play some fighting games to learn how hard some counters are to actually input and pull off correctly.
Counters in smash 4 are a fucking joke and have no reason to kill as early as 50%
>>337870148
>omega mode makes every stage into FD
It doesn't even do that. It makes them flat, yet various different sizes, and even removes background elements that shouldn't disappear like Animal Crossing villager.
On top of that it gives some of them SIDE WALLS.
I hate the stages.
But specifically how the new stages are mixed in with the legacy ones. Makes it feel more like brawl2.0
>>337836787
>perfect teeth
>gross
>>337857904
>taking out any characters with unique movesets
Who cares if they're shit in the autistic PVP scene?
This is why Ice Climbers being taken out chaps my asshole. I never played them, but they were actually unique, unlike fucking Lucina and Dark Pit. Why people wanted their fucking 3rd Fox clone back when his moves are in the custom set for Fox but didn't care about the Climbers being gone makes no sense to me.
>>337870354
You're acting as if this is something new.
>>337870349
there should've been a "Delta Stage" option in Smash tbqh
Delta = all certain stages becomes "Battlefield"-like.
>>337870359
>Why people wanted their fucking 3rd Fox clone
Wolf actually has no A moves in common with fox, just like Lucas to Ness
Still though I agree Ice Climbers being cut is butt-aids
>>337870354
If you don't look like an anime character you might as well kill yourself tbqh
>>337870359
>>337870585
on top of that, most tournaments and FG dont allow custom moves. so fox being able to be wolf-lite means nothing when you cant use him
>>337870359
>comparing Ice Climbers to Lucina and Dark Pit
>comparing any character to Lucina and Dark Pit
>conveniently not mentioning Dr. Mario
I bet you're one of those Neanderthals that think a full character could be added if Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, and Lucina weren't given their own slots.
>>337850375
>Out of all the Fire Emblem characters, how many of them are actually unique?
4/6
>>337870735
Dr. Mario is okay because Melee :^)
>>337870036
This.
It's either nothing but running grabs or shieldgrabs.
Who the fuck uses 10 grabs in the first 30 seconds of the match? If chaingrabbing was a thing in sm4sh like it was in melee that would be understandable, but it just doesn't make sense.
The ONLY way I can counter shitters that do nothing but grab is duck hunt. Getting a can on the ground near them as they grab you can break you out of the grab if you shoot it close towards you. Same goes for the gunmen if you can get that weird as fuck timing down.
But aside from that, there's literally no other way to deal with that, besides very few down-tilts that have the range to deal with that shit.
>>337870036
If you want an in-depth answer, it's because of several different aspects
1: Shields are very good in this game, which grabs beat out. If you attack someone's shield, you get grabbed
2: DI hardly affects throws which makes grab combos ezpz
3: If you miss a grab you are safe, but if you miss an attack you are left open for counterattacks (i.e. grabs)
4 (BIGGEST REASON): There is no way to reduce landing lag in this game. Strong aerials usually come at the price of being slow (like Falcon's knee) but grabs are very fast, safe options that combo into strong aerials with little effort (like Falcon's knee)
As it stands, there is really no reason NOT to grab, unless you're Ryu or something.
>>337870585
Both of their normal attacks were in the "these moves are useful in PVP" camp, so losing a few different lunges instead of kicks isn't really a tragedy.
Bayonetta was my 4th choice for the Ballot, but I'm thrilled she got picked rather than another fucking clone/Luigi version.
>>337870148
>omega mode makes every stage into FD
It can't even do that without throwing in some dumb shit like walls extending to the bottom or awful sides like Omega Flat Zone.
>>337850445
>Heavies are forever shit characters
Smash 4 has been kinder to heavies than the other games at least. Brawl had the two best heavies in the series, snake and ddd, but overall, they're in a better place in 4 with most of them hovering around in the mid tier rather than bottom. Only ddd and ganon are bad, and even then low tiers can hold their own much better with the smaller tier gaps in this game.
Ike and DK are particularly good this time around
>>337870693
>most tournaments and FG dont allow custom moves
Was there a good reason for doing this?
>>337870735
Adding a new character? Probably not.
Adding a character that was in the previous two versions of the game and therefore must have had assets and elements lying around, who was also apparently already in the game but taken out due to 3DS bullshit despite Rosalina & Luma being similar? Probably yes.
Also fuck Dr. Mario too. And Falco. The only acceptable Luigi-tier quasi-clone IS Luigi.
How my registration Amish Boy game
>>337871286
>despite Rosalina & Luma being similar
not him, but I'm fucking sick of people throwing this stupid shit out
Luma's AI is nothing like Nana's
no, not even Olimar's Pikmin work like the Ice Climbers
>>337853176
I modded all those shitty retro medleys to pac-man music. Those can fuck off.
>>337871169
well i think some tournaments (maybe evo too but i watched melee) allowed them
but some characters become fucking busted as shit with customs
for example, palutena goes from low tier to "what the fuck" tier due to insane recovery, invincibility frames and a ton of kill moves
other characters get very little, but overall some characters stand head and shoulders above others due to improved recovery or just insane kill moves
i believe smash players said it was going to boil down to banning fucking specific custom moves and trying to regulate what characters can do
and it was just too much of a hassle in the end so now everyone rolls vanilla
>>337870925
I guess I'm just salty, but damn. If you go through the trouble of adding a mode that mimics real fighting games, at least add in some real fighting game mechanics, like reversals or some shit
the fucking menus
https://youtu.be/w_6c9Y0ZZ3U?t=48s
>>337871386
The argument for them being taken out had to do with models on screen and other display problems on the 3DS, which considering the state of its current performance is no excuse.
>>337871169
Some are bork
Due to how tedious it is to get all of them it would become considerably hard to practice before a tourney as you likely don't have every move
Extension of the previous point, tournament holder has to supply every legal custom set as well
For FG in particular, the game does not divide between customs that do and don't use equipment, meaning FG customs would be 99% maxed out speed people avoiding every attack.
you fags cry about Chrom not being seen unique with his own kinda of Aether nor not using his shield and spear in his moveset, yet cry how Chrom isn't their over Lucina being faster/easy mode Ike.
the former still wouldn't help Chrom to join in time, and the latter wouldn't be helping it at all.
choose fuckers.
>>337871753
>For FG in particular, the game does not divide between customs that do and don't use equipment, meaning FG customs would be 99% maxed out speed people avoiding every attack.
The funny thing, Tournament Mode has a bracket within Regular Tourney that lets you use custom specials but no equipment.
For whatever reason, this option is literally nowhere else in the game.
>>337871804
Honestly why in the cocks do people want Chrom? Robin is more of a protagonist than him and Chrom's the most boring motherfucker in that game.
Which is saying something
>>337872016
I think it was more a subversion of expectations than anything. People expected Chrom and thus began imagining what he'd play like.
Then we get Robin and those Chrom expectations remain unfulfilled.
>>337871528
DI is supposed to prevent grab combos by making them 50/50s or mixups, but they fucked up DI in Smash 4. At least they tried, though.
>>337869678
Woolly World
Mario Maker
A ton of them
But then your whining about gimmicks when the entire concept is built around adapting
Also even worse, the crying babies who cry
>walk off
Adapt, a lot of great stages are thrown off because people can't adapt to walk off and it's a damn shame
>>337851361
>Mega Man's victory theme is the opening of Mega Man 2, which is overrated as fuck and hogged nearly all the Mega Man content in Smash.
Any sane person would have put in the "Robot Master Beat" theme in, from any of the games really
>>337860853
Holy shit, Wario fans on suicide watch. I can just imagine the tears as charles is literally laughing asking him to pull his fingers.
>>337871386
It's not the same as Rosalina and Luma at all. You really are a fucking retard. How about learning about Ice Climbers first before wanting shit you never even use back.
Anyone else hoping that the Roy meme will die by next game? They already had their chance and look how that turned out.
>>337869718
It's a guitar remix
What's wrong?
The song was already chorus, there's nothing else you could do
A lot of Smash songs go for a Unique style but fuckers pretend it's bad because it's not what they want
That goes for Dedede's theme version 2 and Cynthia
>>337872401
No? I like(d) Roy, and never understood why they pulled him from Brawl really.
>>337870349
>having popular stages is bad
Fuck you
The sound effects in smash 4 for landing moves are the worst in the series. I'm pretty sure some of those clips are from KI:U too.
>>337872401
Roy is a top 10 character, he's just a faster Cloud.
>>337855142
The pokemon are either "so inconsequential they may as well not be there" or "you're already dead"
Gee isn't Keldeo fun?
>>337872016
Because I want a Chrom and Lucina tag team based off of Awakening's Pair Up mechanics.
>>337872506
Im fine with them having legacy stages (they are the only good ones in Smash4 desu) but they should have kept them in separate menu. Its nitpickicking, I know, but it still bothers me. I just felt like there weren't enough new stages.
I fucking hate how rushed the trophy descriptions feel. Its like they arbitrarily decided to limit every trophy to a single five sentence paragraph. It feel like trophy with a ton of background have oversimplified descriptions while others ones have unfunny forced jokes.
>>337872627
If Diddy and Dixie Kong couldn't work in Brawl it probably wouldn't now.
>>337872627
So you want Ike Climbers, got it
>>337872408
>It's a guitar remix
>What's wrong?
The original was fine, plus the guitars sound like garbage.
>>337847506
>no more CUMON STEPITUP
>no more UR2SLO
blunder of the century
>>337845090
>people say JUST WAGGLE OUT OF BOSS GALAGA AND THE BEETLE
>if youre over 20% its a guaranteed kill on 90% of stages
>gust bellows
>all the other unfun items
man, melee items were great, invis cloak was bomb and brawl items added fun shit like smart bomb and rolling box
i cant think of a single item sm4sh added that people dont bitch about
>>337872504
He was put in Smash befre his own game came out as blatant publicity, and he sucked there, so it made perfect sense to cut him from the next game seeing as he was not only past his relevancy stage, but also considered the worst lord of FE.
Sadly Melee's longevity had a side effect of him acquiring meme status and he got put as DLC in 4 to squeeze some dollars out of nostalgiafags, but the character itself is a piece of crap. Too much of a clone even now, and his gimmick ruins him.
>>337872838
>it's Goroh's time to shine!
He'll stay an assist trophy or be removed like Isaac for no longer being relevant.
>>337870857
http://www.gamnesia.com/news/sakurai-explains-why-dr-mario-is-his-own-character-in-smash-bros
>Sakurai: "When you have such fans and you just change the character-model and leave it at that and it becomes the same as Mario, we thought people might get angry. That's why we forced ourselves and changed that."
you hear that dorffags? Ganondorf not getting his change up anytime.
now you can stop crying about your placeholder excuse and Black Shadow, who's a useless underdog villain outside the anime and spinoffs.
Sakurai has NEVER done something like porting a moveset to a similar character, solely to give an ex-clone a different moveset.
until a new F-Zero game DOES come out, it's Goroh's time to shine!
>>337872964
isaac got removed because pleb sun sucks
i think custom robo fits on this instead
NEW THREAD BECAUSE THIS WAS ACTUALLY A PRETTY INSIGHTFUL HACKURAI DECONSTRUCTION DISCUSSION DESU
>>337873127
>>337873127
>>337873127
>>337872867
I like the Ore Club, Steel Diver and Fire Bar.
>>337870354
Wario eats garlic
It's good to kill germs in your body but it makes you smell fucking noticeable
Also gas
>>337872867
I can think of a few. Steel Diver, Boomerang, Super Leaf, Bombchu, and Fairy Bottle but I guess those items are much tamer than the things people normally bitch about.
>>337873160
fuck off i want to sleepyou know what, i'm going to derail it with some ridleyfag bait
>>337870359
>blaming Lucina and Dark Pit for no Ice Climbers
There's that autism again
Fucking roster fags
>>337872625
YEAAAAHHH!
...
YEAAAAHHH!
>>337872408
>basing Cynthia's remix on her meeting theme
That was a really fucking odd choicr
>>337873160
Fuck off. There's been more than enough Smash shitting threads within the past 3 years. Thank fucking god it's over.
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