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Do consoles hold graphics back?
>>337780807
Yes. Those aren't even the same games. Doom 3 was gimped as fuck for xbox.
>>337780879
Also, nice wall textures, consolefags.
>>337780807
No. There's a reason why MOBAS and Diablo shit require toasters to run. They want as many as possible people to enjoy their games.
>>337780807
Yes, while the PC has a lot of games with poor graphics (indie shit, free to play shit, etc.), consoles boast 60$ AAA games which are inherently focussed on making graphics their selling point.
These games with a graphical focus are made with consoles in mind and then ported to the PC, where they will not reach the same quality they'd have in the utopia where consoles do not exist and these games were made with the PC in mind.
PCucks are the biggest graphix whores on the planet. PCucks don't actually play games, they just spend their entire month's paycheck optimizing their "gaming rig" and then when they finally install the game (which takes anywhere from 45 min to 10 hours) they only "play" their precious games in 50 second intervals because they're too busy going back into the graphix menu to change resolution/antianalingusing/3dshadows/nvdia to make sure their game is running at a perfect 60 fps with graphix maxed out. They then take a video proving that their rig can handle their shit game at 60fps with graphix maxed out and post it onto youtube to gloat about it with their fellow PCucks. They then abandon said game and move onto repeat the process with the next "masterpeice" pc game.
They're the most pathetic people on the planet
yes. and it was literlly proven that devs even disable certain features just so peasants dont feel bad, liek in Watch Dogs
>>337781175
>consolefags actually think this way
This is why no one likes you.
>>337781265
>think this way
you mean accepting reality?
>>337780807
Technically, yes. PC games that are also on consoles are developed on with certain limiters so that they can just rewrite some code instead of making an entirely new game.
But the console market is literally keeping gaming alive as a medium, so it's kinda worth it.
>>337781175
Eating shit is good and cheap mkay?
>>337780807
>graphics
Yes
>Art style
No
Art style makes a game much more impressive to me. I don't see PC games as aesthetically pleasing most of the time, but that's just a nitpick.
>>337781202
>disable certain features
you're referring to the horrid DoF effect that was present in the E3 video?
It makes the game nice to watch but it's disgusting to actually play with it, it makes everything further away than 30 feet completely blurry
>>337781359
This.
Consoles hold back video game technology but they also sell like fucking hotcakes since the average consumer doesnt want to research about hardware and building a PC, they just want to play their video games.
Shit developers and publishers hold graphics back. Nothing should stop them from, you know, making all the bells and whistles they created available to the PC version and limiting it in the console versions. Generally, people call this "taking advantage of a platform's capabilities".
Instead, we get "system parity", which is dumb because it's common fucking sense that different systems have different capabilities. In the process, everyone gets fucked.
>>337781202
if consoles didn't make vidya mainstream then it would still be a niche hobby and not a billion dollar industry.
Without consoles Gone Home would be considered a AAA game and there quite simply wouldn't be enough money in the industry to make games like the witcher.
You should be glad consoles exist.
>>337781202
no
>>337781730
>31st frame
I get what they're saying, but it's wrong
>>337780807
>left
game made for fun by ten loser cuck swedes in a year achieving masteful graphics and gameplay just for pure love of video games
>right
multi mullion dollar AAA-company made by a famous studio with years of game crafting experience and the latest technologies, game is shit and looks decent at best
This feels like CD Projekt Red just 10 years earlier
>>337781730
Consoles are the only thing holding back gaming from "evolving" into a F2P casual shitfest known as PC and mobile gaming.
>>337780807
Riddick looked very very differently on xbox and pc. Both engine and assets were nearly made from scratch.
And I'm not talking about Dark Athena / HD, I mean the 2004 originals.
>>337782156
>those shitty blurry textures in several places
wew lad
sure it looks pretty, but that's mostly down to good design rather than any technological advantages
>>337781730
>Consoles hold back video game technology
That's not what that dev was implying at all. Read >>337781359 carefully again, and you'll notice this gem:
>Developing only for the PC: yes, probably we could get more [in terms of graphics] as there would be nothing else - they would be so focused, like if we could develop only on Xbox One or PlayStation 4.
What he's saying is that if they were developing an exclusive, PC or console, doesn't matter, they could invest in just that platform to get the maximum optimization out of it and make it look good. Porting is the main issue here, since it limits them in terms of time investment in any one platform, and the only way to make deadlines is to create one version that any platform can run, and will never take advantage of the hardware quirks of any one platform.
>>337782334
stay mad
>>337782217
They just used higher res textures on PC and a newer shader model. Not sure about the polycount.
When are you pcucks not spazzing out and getting butthurt?
Hey, there's a new early access survival game out on Steam. Get in on that now lmao
>>337781330
You have a very warped and poisoned view of reality, bruh.
>>337782217
>>337782449
>>337782149
>>337780807
Pic very related
>>337782546
>When are you pcucks not spazzing out and getting butthurt?
>thread clearly started by a butthurt consoletard
Please stop posting
>>337780807
Yes, undeniably.
>>337782613
>Tfw someone saved my WebM
>>337781202
Crysis is still one of the nicest looking games for trees and other foliage, I wish other devs put that much effort in.
>>337781780
You're right in principle, but in practice devs put 0 effort in porting because they could be working on a new game instead of optimizing the different versions of the one they just put out. Sometimes I wish they would go back to the old days, where devs would make a game for one platform and then other teams would individually port them and optimize them. That would solve a whole lot of issues with PC version getting gimped / console hardware not fully being taken advantage of.
>>337780879
>Doom 3 was gimped as fuck for xbox.
No wonder it was so shit
Doesnt make sense considering EFBB looks and plays better on xbox than D3 ever did AND its the same engine.
RAGE hasnt aged well either
>>337782636
>rwarblar f2p moba rararwar
>>337782613
man those medbays were so retarded, who the hell thought gigantic spikes shooting out of a wall was a good idea for first aid!?
>>337782156
>>337782418
>12 fps
turn off photo mode and repost
>>337782546
Well don't know which game you're talking but I'm having fun with Stellaris
>>337782815
wow this mad
>>337780807
these threads are fucking ethereal
I can't tell what's a real opinion and what's not
There's actual normies on /v/ who honestly believe PC is bad and consoles don't hold back graphics
And then there's trolls from a bygone era that want to stir some shit with the autists who don't know any better
>>337781812
>niche hobby
>gone homo
pick one
gone home literally exists because the medium is popular and attracting developers too shitty to clean an indian toilet with.
>>337780879
no picture shows Doom 3 Xbox. The left is Riddick: Escape from Butcher Bay and the right is PC
>>337783013
i meant right is doom 3 pc
I'd actually push for more powerful consoles with good graphics than for more powerful pc hardware given how pcs are treated as leftover consumers that don't deserve any care.
Btw, been playing on console lately, controllers aren't as horrible, you can do precision stuff with them actually and this is learned and you adapt to it soon enough.
>>337782815
>b-bullshot mode!
>It doesn't really look like that!!1!
stay mad
>>337780807
Here's the thing: It doesn't matter. PC was the go to platform, the primary platform, the platform driving development. Then torrenting and other forms of piracy got seriously rampant and people on /v/ and everywhere else joked about how devs couldn't do shit.
Devs then moved to consoles, their exclusives went to consoles, they made more money off consoles, and now consoles come first and PC is an afterthought for most devs and a testing ground for indie titles.
It doesn't matter because that's how it is now. We made the choice, and no matter how much people want to talk about how piracy isn't exclusive to pc and had no impact, here we are.
The only 30 FPS game I can enjoy is FFXI, probably because of a combo of nostalgia and no 60 FPS option.
>>337782418
>>337782156
The screenshots really don't do Uncharted 4 justice. I don't know what it is, if the PS4 screenshot feature compresses them badly or what, but the game looks so much better in motion.
>>337783425
ok whats the problem here
Consoles could hold graphics back, but for the fact that devs can hardly do any better already without making budgets impossible and games cost way too much.
Consoles force devs to try and make games look better on lower end hardware, which carries over to PC versions of the game most of the time. So there's that. But then again, shitty devs design their games for consoles first because that's where they get the most money so they make shitty PC ports. So it goes both ways.
>>337783481
yea it sucks that happens
>>337783559
An emotional screenshot
>>337783425
I thought that was a real imagine with a photoshopped dog for a second.
>>337783654
nope
>>337783481
ps4's share button compresses the fuck out of images, it's ok if they're simple images with a small palette of colors but more complicated images end up losing loads of detail.
>>337783315
kek. dat 24 fps.
>I can't enjoy games with 30fps and gamepads ;_;
>Consoles are evil
>Why doesn't pc get those juicy looking console games!
>make it big through PC gayming.
>CEO hates PC gayming for some reason.
>we will NEVER again do a PC gaym!
>MOBAS and xbone exclusives from here on out, boys.
>let's launch our own pretend steam while we're at it.
>and a russian F2P call of duty.
>oh no, we're bankrupt. I even have to sell some of my expensive cars, and shit.
>this was all the fault of the PC master race.
>but now I have to take out the kinect trash from Ryse and make it a 4k native game.
>oh shit, it sold so many copies.
>damn, I hate the master race.
>>337783843
this mad
>>337781449
>>337781449
>But the console market is literally keeping gaming alive as a medium, so it's kinda worth it.
This should be common sense and should occur to anyone before they decide to argue about PCs vs Consoles.
Like are you actually imagining an idealized world where all big budget video games are developed on and for PC?
>>337783843
He's certainly playing it with the better machine at a higher framerate and resolution than you.
Pic related, I play this game on the better machine, at a higher framerate and resolution that you do on your pc.
>>337783843
>lower framerate makes a game less fun
I bet my pc is beefier than yours but I still enjoyed the fuck out of uncharted 4. The shooting sections anyway, the first hour of the game is boring as fuck.
>>337783425
Dog, aquarium, chest,remote, and blanket look like shit everything else is fine.
>>337783934
i have both a PC and a PS4, i really don't care for your petty console wars, but i like seeing how people just straight up lie to themselves to feel better.
You get that pinion thing a few hours before the end of the game and it makes the platforming so much better, it made those last few climbing sections actually feel like a puzzle platformer instead of it just being filler. Why the fuck don't you get it at the start of the game?
>>337783651
This. It's not consumers hardware it's the manufacturer's production.
The cost of current graphics has shot up exponentially in the last 10 years. You need significant investment in cost and time to get marginally better visual results.
>>337780807
No capitalism does.
>>337784060
you're the one telling straight up lies here bub.
The framerate in U4 only buckles in one or two places in the whole game and it's not even during proper gameplay, just a shitty prologue setpiece
>>337784060
i have a pc and ps4 too so
>>337783934
>>337783946
>>337783953
>console players
>literally 14 year olds
>>337783837
>>337783481
>ps4's share button compresses the fuck out of images, it's ok if they're simple images with a small palette of colors but more complicated images end up losing loads of detail.
PS4 jpg compression is terrible and makes the screenshots blurry. If you want good quality screenshots you have to change the setting so they're save as png. You can then copy them over to PC and convert them to jpg.
>>337784178
stay upset
Shitty developers/publishers hold games back more than consoles. If anything, consoles expanded the market for gamers so that AAA games can have bigger budgets because they have more customers. If those console gamers couldn't buy consoles, they either wouldn't be gamers, or they would have pretty low end PCs and developers would tailor their games to that.
>>337783941
Let's take PC out of the equation: the traditional console model causes kikery such as exclusivity deals and arbitrary online fees, in addition to locking games onto systems that simply cannot play them because of their poor hardware. The world would be better off if they were entirely replaced with open standards so monopolizing companies wouldn't be able to do those things. The actual details of those open standards are irrelevant.
>>337784118
I hate this image so much. More triangles mean you can do more detail. That's just the same model that they upped and lowered the tris.
>>337782156
>>337782418
>>337782902
I haven't seen one sharp screenshot of this game.
Everything is blurry as fuck just so you can't make out the shit looking details.
>>337784183
how do i do that
>>337784178
>I have no argument so I'll just call them 14
again, stay mad
>>337784118
You know what's shot up in cost even more? Telling a fucking story about werewolves, vampires, and undying knights.
Somehow, this basic task can no longer be accomplished unless you've got a college degree, but it also means you need at least 200 people employed, and miserable 'cutting-edge' full silky smooth cinematic FPS, with an attached letterbox and 4 hours of gameplay.
>>337781812
>consoles made vidya mainstream
Maybe in the 70s till early 90s
After that PC gaming has been the leading platform for games.
PC has had more games made(even excluding indie and kikestarter) than Xbox and Sony combined.
>>337784118
This image is fucking retarded.
>>337784183
Damn no shit? Wish I had known this earlier. Oh well, cheers anyway
>>337784118
This is the same reason that graphics haven't advanced since the year 1990.
>>337780807
Yes and the irony is that console devs care way more about graphics than gameplay and so does the audience.
>>337784118
I agree with you but don't ever post that fucking gay image again.
>>337784214
>Shitty developers/publishers hold games back more than consoles
This. It blows my mind people here don't realize this. Even though we get ugly and poorly optimized PC games constantly.
Fuck, look at XCOM2. That isn't even remotely a great looking game nor is it well optimized and it's a PC exclusive.
It baffles me how people here can be so fucking stupid.
>>337784253
see
>>337784183
>>337784253
the fucking ps4 screenshot compression makes me so fucking mad
>>337782156
Is this low res stretched out shit a clip from Youtube or is the game naturally just blurry as fuck?
I'm assuming the latter since obviously a piece of trash like a PS4 would struggle with something like a decent resolution.
>>337780807
Consoles open the market up to the technologically illiterate crowd that's too poor and unfocused to understand and manage the devices they operate.
Consoles appeal to the type of person who buys Apple because it's "intuitive," and thus are a big source of revenue for the industry.
>>337781812
>if consoles didn't make vidya mainstream then it would still be a niche hobby and not a billion dollar industry.
The sheer amount of ignorance in your post is astoundingly hilarious.
Thanks for the laugh, you retard.
>>337784227
Sure, I totally agree but you're dreaming baby.
>>337784373
That's ripped from the movie anon.
>>337784337
people choose to be stupid on /v/ just for the sake to keep their dumb arguing going.
If people were honest, /v/ would be a dead board.
I dunno,dota lol tf2 and counterstrike look pretty good
And all those greenlight games
>>337780807
Technically, yes. They must develop for the bottom demoninator.
Actually, no. Most gamers are extremely casual and don't care about the quality of the graphics. Mobile games and other styles of cheap, addictive, easy-to-develop games with micro-transactions are the most played games in the industry.
>>337784276
>PC gaming has been the leading platform for games
yeah, nah
console games still rake in the vast majority of video game profits, even if pc has more games.
Not even accounting for the fact that a huge amount of today's PC gamers got into games by playing on consoles.
>>337784267
Can't remember right now, but I think you go into the "share gallery" or whatever from the XMB and at the bottom it should say to press the "options" button for share options or something, you can then change various settings like file format, being able to take screencaps by holding the share button down, etc.
>>337784178
Jokes on you, I have both pc and several consoles.
Can't wait for your anal tribulations.
>>337784417
>I have no argument but my autism still makes me reply
Thanks for the laugh, you retard.
>>337784458
nope the game has scenes from the movie
>>337784373
> ratchet and clank the movie selling point was literally how they used the same graphics as the in game models.
Wow, consoles are even starting to the whole back CGI movies now.
>>337784496
The actual numbers disagree with this. There are more active, buying people on steam than there are total owners of all current gen consoles.
That's just on steam, and only the people who buy videogames there. Not all the people running only F2P games, playing on origin, or what have you.
>>337781812
>if consoles didn't make vidya mainstream then it would still be a niche hobby and not a billion dollar industry.
So it would still be good if consoles fucked off and stopped turning games into cinematic experiences for plebs and generic shooters for dudebros?
>>337784496
Are we talking net profits for the developers?
Or sales count?
Because they lose on both.
They may seem to get more money because they cost way more but PC games have a higher return for the developer.
>>337784647
There's also GOG, as small as it is. And people that buy physical copies.
>>337781812
Do you know why the North American Video Games Crash of 1983 has "North American" in its name?
Because every other developed country played games on fucking home computers
>>337784567
Ratchet and Clank is gorgeous I'm not surprised. The fucking screenshots I take do not make it justice.
>>337781359
>Quote from Sonys latest bought out fucktoy
Funny, there was a Witcher 1 and 2 without them (the xbox port was an afterthought after release of 2, and was funded using PC sales)
>>337784337
>>337784470
>get ignored to oblivion because they're right
every time /v/
>>337780807
Apparently not.
>>337784557
You stated that consoles made video games mainstream. You are demonstrably, objectively wrong.
Pong made video games mainstream in fucking 1972. It was an arcade game. Subsequent ARCADE games continued the trend of video games being mainstream. Space Invaders, Pac-Man, Donkey Kong.
You are longing for days when video games were played on oscilloscopes and monochrome monitors in university settings only.
You are fucking retarded thinking that consoles made gaming mainstream. Consoles were riding the wave that arcade machines started.
Again, I laugh at your immense stupidity.
>>337784562
that's his point
>Having to dig your old console out of the closet to play other games.
>Having to endure switching resolutions, framerates, and controller designs just to play older games
>Letting physical copies pile up because barely any digital storage space while claiming that shitty cover art and cheap plastic "feels better"
>Not having all your games on one device
>Actually paying for full price rereleases just so you have a semblance of backwards compatibility
Glad I'm not poor, being a console user must suck.
No, in reality they push it forward because it lowers the risk for developers to invest in graphics. Despite what you homo's think, 99,9% of pc's out there are toasters, and it makes zero sense to develop for 0,01% of the market.
>>337780807
>Do consoles hold graphics back?
sure, look at most praised game here, like undertale and dirt rally.
>>337781175
are we doing funny pastas now?
I love memes!
I only own a PC, but I'll admit that Uncharted 4 is a very nice looking game. These console wars are just a fucking retarded waste of time, you guys should stop throwing a tantrum when people don't agree with you, when they are clearly disagreeing with you out of spite.
>>337784647
>There are more active, buying people on steam than there are total owners of all current gen consoles
I'd like a source on this and see what's selling what.
>>337784118
>The cost of current graphics has shot up exponentially in the last 10 years.
The majority of todays inflated budgets are spent on marketing, not making the game.
Studios are also way more wasteful. Great source books or behind the scenes documentaries on games made in the late 90s then do the same for ones made post-2010.
You'll see a huge increase in budgets spent on long projects which get scrapped. You see games going through 20 prototypes for features before scrapping.
You look back at older designs and studios were more efficiency minded, they made damn sure their concepts were sound before developing them.
>>337780807
Doom 3 was on the Xbox as well.
>>337780807
DO NIGGERS HOLD SOCIETY BACK?
the markets getting bigger because of consoles, but it's stagnetting because of how big it's getting and how money driven it is.
Yes. We have this thread everyday.
>>337785039
>but I'll admit that Uncharted 4 is a very nice looking game
Yeah, mind boggling realism
>>337783425
>>337785039
Some people are just unable to cope with the fact that you may need to buy additional gaming platforms to get all the games you might want.
Try console games for yourself and decide, I myself am liking consoles more and more the more I've started playing them and ignoring master-racities. Gears of War multiplayer was a total eye opener for me along with halo, better Cave game ports, games that are gr8 and you WILL NOT SEE ON PC (Like Red Dead Redemption).
>>337784647
I couldn't find any numbers on the total numbers of 'active accounts' that actually regularly spend money, but here are some numbers I found;
Total number of steam accounts:
>~130,000,000 (Feb 2015)
Total number of PSN accounts:
>~150,000,000 (2013)
Number of active Xbox Live subscribers
>50,000,000
These numbers don't even really mean anything because it's free to make an account and people often make multiple accounts.
Number of PS+ subscribers (So they actually pay a subscription)
>10,500,000 (Jan 2015)
(No official numbers for the amount of people who pay for gold membership, estimated at around 7 million)
Steam active users (48 hour peak)
>12,300,000
No indication that these 12m users are actually spending money or just playing games they have.
So consoles definitely have more users actually spending money.
>>337785229
>to get all the games you might want.
No, the problem is you consoleniggers pretend every game you get is something every wants and if they don't they're just salty never ever
This is a silly thread.
Devs are always going to put consoles first since that's the bigger market.
>>337781812
Yet games used to be generally better back then.
Mobile games would be big regardless.
Does the bear shit in the forest?
>>337785348
>No, the problem is
I'll tell you what the problem is.
The problem is my first gaming machine ever was a pc.
The problem is my main gaming machine has usually been a pc.
The problem is I'm currently typing this on a gaming pc that only has 115GB hd space left and has nothing installed but games.
And I'm using this gaming pc to defend that consoles are pretty gud.
This should be a red flag for everyone you're preaching master-racehood to.
>>337784118
>>337784241
>>337784290
>>337784303
>>337784274
Wasn't expecting that reaction.
It's correct but is it not? You get diminishing returns to the amount of polygons on screen. It takes significantly more time and money to get a minimal noticeable improvement of graphics.
>>337785068
>The majority of todays inflated budgets are spent on marketing, not making the game.
Dude, there are far more factors involved now than back then.
For example compare FF7 to the remake.
>remake will have mocap, voiceacting, way more animations, more advanced animations, physics, lighting, etc etc etc
Making big games now is VERY expensive.
>>337785181
We've had better looking hallway simulators for years though, thats not even mind boggling realism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf045VYP3z4
It's a tech demo but hey it has as much gameplay as that shit you posted from Uncharted
>>337782102
She looked like a woman in earlier games. Now she looks like a frog.
What happened?
Why Crysis 1 looks sogood ?
>>337780807
Doom 3 had shitty character models for it's time. The thing it did well for the time was shadows.
>>337785580
The point of having more powerful systems that can push more triangles isn't so you can make the same models more detailed, its so that you can have bigger, more complicated environments with more stuff inside.
>>337785181
>Yeah, mind boggling realism
I also enjoy people being so selective with their shitposting and fallacies.
See the other images that are also not using the innate poor jpg compression like >>337784183
Or how about this image I just posted? See the tower in the top right in the image? That is the goal to where you're supposed to drive, basically. There are no loading screens inbetween it and the goal either. So both the scale and graphics are good.
>>337785229
Oh I did play consoles for years, I loved games like Gears and RDR, and I wish I could buy a console, but I just don't have the money to support multiple platforms, and messing around with computers is a hobby of mine. I'll never understand why people think that they need to commit their entire life to one platform, and spend all of their time defending it on chat boards. They all have something to offer.
>>337785181
>bad graphics
Seems to have better graphics than pc version
>>337785870
You overdid the vignette a bit
>>337785791
But that's isn't graphics is it? I mean better hardware would improve frame rate and low times for sure but won't see much of a graphical improvement.
>>337785870
Thats hardly anything new or amazing. Games have been doing that for a while.
>>337784865
fucking fact.
Mortal kombat arcade got me into gaming not the N64. i remember going to a pizza store that had it and spamming noob and Shiva moves to win.
fun fact Mortal kombat trilogy was my first game
>>337781359
>as it is
Wait, so you mean we would have gotten another comfy hub-based game rather than batman: arkham witcher find the smugglers cache edition?
Sign me up.
I wonder if consolewars shitposting would die down if economics was a mandatory part of education.
Opportunity cost, marginal benefits/cost, diminishing returns, etc.
Hardware limits how pretty games can be. On the other end, developer effort determines how pretty they make the game in the first place. Some devs bother to push the limit, many others don't even close and on top of it optimize like crap(this is especially prevalent in PC games).
Unless it becomes extremely apparent that the large majority of the population prefers graphics that push the limit of cutting-edge hardware constantly most devs probably won't bother. The costs in terms of whatever(time, money, effort) simply don't outweigh the little gain they'd get for marginally better graphics. Coding, bug-testing, optimization, gameplay, and other things require effort as well and probably contribute far more. There simply isn't enough time or money to do everything perfectly.
>>337782418
ignorance
>>337786509
it's graphics as well.
If you have a higher polygon budget you can have much more detailed environments and you don't have to repeat the same elements to stay within memory limits.
>>337785870
Yeah, you could see the other end of the island in Far Cry 1 too, provided you got up high enough, so what?
>>337786675
that looks worse than that fucking uncharted 4 screenshot and needs a more expensive pc to run at those settings to boot.
>>337786675
delete this
>>337786791
HAHAHAHA
>>337786778
>takes a bunch of super compressed images
>wow they look blurry!
also almost all the cutscenes in the game are real time.
take a look at this (and notice the file size difference)
>>337784183
>>337780807
doesn't company use PC to make shit look great before saying thy had to dumb it down in e3
>>337780807
No but x86 does
>>337786675
>not using superior ReShade
wew fucking lad
delete that screen shot
>>337786924
>literally this buttblasted
>literally this much buyer's remorse
keep cryin and blowin them boogers kid
>>337782902
jesus christ, you again
can you be anymore pathetic?
>>337781175
10 minutes to install a game here
Graphics are nice but a stable framerate is why i built mine.
enjoy hovering at 22fps lol
>>337787015
its vanilla for a reason
>>337787015
That looks worse than his screenshot mate. The only good graphic injectors are DXHR's and GTA4's.
I bet you use filtering on 2d games and tv filters.
>>337783913
>consolecuck grasping at straws
go back to your movie
>>337781175
fuck ye bb, stay mad 4ever, b sad and be alon 4ever
>>337787015
Looks like a badly done STALKER blow-out effect or drinking alcohol in a videogame with dumb screen filters.
Got an urge to play Wasteland or co-op vs AI. Any good campaigns yet?
>>337787326
Jesus christ anon, have you ever heard of this neat technology called Anti-Aliasing?
>>337787246
I see your point, but mine is that Arma 3 has some ugly fuck ass shaders by itself.
>>337787429
not my screenshot
>>337787326
His post was laughing at the blunders of Crytek ever since Crysis 2. Also, where is your anti-aliasing?
>>337784801
Witcher 3 was a lot bigger than the other 2.
>>337786791
consolecucks always with those excuses
>>337787438
sure i don't disagree
>>337780807
/thread
>>337780807
Why do PC faggots bitch about graphics and optimise the fuck out of their rigs all the time just to then go and play hours on games like FTL, Civ and Cities: Skylines that don't even try to push the graphical boundaries? This has never made sense to me.
Fuck off, consoleplebs. Master Race is the only platform that matters. Japs even realized this and are starting to port their games to PC since consoles are dying. They'll go extinct soon.
>>337787632
Thank you for showing me the way reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace!
>>337787585
Nice reddit image.
Also if you knew anything this board was ruined with the 7th gen's bickering over Xbox 360 vs PS3 vs Wii vs PC before Orange box (that was basically DEAD from 2005-2007 until Crysis and Orange Box.) A lot of us bought consoles during that time.
t;ldr the reasont his board's culture is really insulting and angry is because of /b/tards with consoles cross-boarding.
>>337787694
No problem, friend.
>>337787713
>t;ldr
>the reasont
whoops
>>337780807
Riddick has pretty long loading screens between small areas.
>>337787713
That reads like you grabbed your info off of knowyourmeme.com
Embarassing
ITT
>>337787310
>>337787413
lol
whatever suits your taste
this suits mine
>>337787804
Nah I was a tripcode user who had a 360 and a DS around that time. I was 18 at the time and now I'm 27.
>>337787836
Ya it's all about taste but left looks more like real life. Both are poor in art graphic fidelity.
the pcuck graffix argument no longer holds any water in 2016. You used to be able to use it last generation but now the difference is mostly just in framerate and AA
>>337787585
>>337780807
the difference between a console and a pc is a plastic/metal box with circuits in it
>>337787818
CLASSIC
>>337787115
>buyers remorse
is that what you are feeling now because you bought an Xboner?
>>337787585
The irony is that most PC games these days have worse graphics than console games.
>>337781730
frames dont work that way you fucking moron
>>337787970
>being a CA, 4k and 30/60 fps peasant in the age of 120hz and 140hz
This generation and last generation are suffering from focus of art assets over performance which is a stupid shame. PC, N64, Gamecube and PlayStation 1/2 were the best generations.
>>337788126
Most PC games have always had worse art assets than console games because of budget. It was only until the 7th generation that Western developers cared about art style (albeit some older devs forgeting about art style i.e. Morrowind to Oblivion and so forth.)
GAMEPLAY = Performance > Art style > technical graphics > sound effects > music > platform = pricetag to me.
>>337788029
>meta critic
>implying i play on xbone
i usually just assume console players are being ironic because most of what they say i cant take seriously
not saying anything in specific about whats the best hardware but seriously stop being so childish, youre acting like fucking shills defending their marketing
>>337788253
And to add since 7th generation good PC ports are coming and you can really see how much the 7th and 8th consoles are being pushed back. MGSV looks great.
>>337783481
The problem is a lot of people take screen shots with the jpeg selection on and then upload those pics to imgur which get compressed further, then they post them here
>>337788303
open that totally not porn drive
>>337788029
The remorse is going to be equal on both sides when sony announces ps4.5 this E3.
I'm just sad that the quality of original titles on the PC has dropped off so badly. You get indie garbage, "alpha access" or an awfully optimized port now.
>>337788303
>totally not porn
Is thatdolphin porn?
>>337785014
I thought that was IGN who said that.
>>337788463
>>337788547
>>337788253
Can I ask how much your PC costs if you add up the total parts?
>>337788572
then open the folder where you keep your pornobey
>>337788435
Yeah that JPG compression really does it. I had no idea you can change it to PNG so all my screenshots looks blurry and lame while in-game the locations looked amazing.
>>337787525
>the world, as seen through the eyes of western video game publishers
>>337788636
>he has porn of a poor asian girl reaching her breaking point after being brutally raped
jesus christ you sick fuck
dont even show us the other folders
>>337786675
Enjoy your frame every few minutes. Apparently the new visual overhaul should actually improve performance in places, so that's going to be nice.
>>337788775
Breaking point is a game>>337788303
>>337788679
ask and ye will receive
>>337788775the steam is pumped into the vagoo
>>337788435
Yep, snf I like the depth of field option in photomode so much
>>337788884
>whooshed this hard
>>337781359
If there were no consoles everybody would have a pc. Thus the market would be the same.
What a retarded man
>>337788897
>jiff
open that folder now you sissy cuntim getting horny
>>337788897
where is the porn
>>337788985
>Thus the market would be the same.
No, hardware manufactures like Sony/Nintendo have a big part in the industry. Nvidia doesn't just pick up or somehow become what Sony/Nintendo have done for the last two decades nor is the industry even remotely the same without them.
>>337789067
>being mean to machine doing their works properly
>>337786791
>that looks worse than that fucking uncharted 4
>>337789162
>its getting interesting
>>337789186
>ungarted 4 distant land looks like shit from a gamecube title
wtf
>>337789247
>low settings
>>337789162
post the /b/trd gets laid webm, now faggot
>>337786592
Indian simulator
>>337789292
>Playable settings
Anon, Arma 3 can look pretty but it can't run well while doing it. I'm running a 970 and can't consistently achieve more than maybe 30 frames in an actual usage scenario and that's on a good day with setting prioritizing playability over pretties.
>>337789213
>>337789356
gonna be safe with this one, crossing it over to /gif/
http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1463396659698.webm
>>337782769
Gotta administer the nanites somehow.
>>337788474
>believing a rumor
The only remorse would be on Sony's side after they realized that fucking their customers is bad business, which is why they won't do it. NEO is probably something to do with their VR device and not a new console, if it even exists (doubtful).
why are you guys arguing about the system people prefer to play on
>>337789583
the woes of the 32 bit engine
dropping the settings doesn't change the fps for me
>>337788303
That is some awful taste in vidya
>>337787949
Holy shit, try living somewhere sunny for a change. Real life has glorious saturation and bold colours everywhere.
The desaturation fad needs to end.
>>337789879
Because this is /v/. They actually hate video games, just like they hate everything. They especially hate that some normie with a console is enjoying video games more than they are even capable of.
>>337783913
Crytek is so fucked up.
Why couldn't they keep it simple?
>>337790186
You can't deny it
>>337780807
I think they hold the market overall back. One cant deny that in the current state of the industry without consoles extremely high end graphics and high budget games wouldnt exist but if all consumers werent retarded and we lived in an alternate reality where everyone had PCs it would be better overall both in terms of graphics and gameplay. A well done developed for PC game like Serious Sam 3 could still be ported to PS4 and probably not be able to run maxed out.
>>337790282
Can they keep it simple when EA is their boss?
>>337781175
Forgot pic. This is a PC exclusive with good reviews.
>>337790317
>frogposting
your insecurity is showinf senpai~
>>337789186
more games should take place in greece
>>337788303
>Dolphin 2
u wot m8
>>337790465
>angloposting
you can't make this shit up
>>337790323
>Crytek
>Type
>Private
Seems to me it's all their own bad ideas
>>337783425
looks like shit except face, looks realistic. Not technically impressive tho, just believable.
>>337790586
i used to have 3 dolphin each with a different config, but then i deleted 1 and 3, too lazy to rename, but enough motivation to post on /v/
>>337790623
shhhhh~
>>337790395
well, because it's a good game
>>337788590
Inside gaming was part of machinima (I think)
>>337790682
daebak, friend~×
>>337790741
Cant tell if bait or actual delusion
>>337780807
Only 34% of steam users run games at 1080p
>Only 34% of steam users run games at 1080p
Only 34% of steam users run games at 1080p
>Only 34% of steam users run games at 1080p
Only 34% of steam users run games at 1080p
>Only 34% of steam users run games at 1080p
>>337790825
DELETE THIS
>>337790770
How did Ren enter this thread?
>>337790825
>implying people actually do steam survey
>implying steam is the one and only place where they get their games
>>337790819
why bait? just because game is indie (real indie, not indie sponsored by sony or microsoft) and has low fidelity graphics, doesn't mean it's bad, I own it and even played a little (3h), but my backlog right now is too big. Read some reviews http://store.steampowered.com/app/259680/#app_reviews_hash
Anyone remember the good old days of dreamcast, and buying a keyboard so we could play games that were basically a PC game?
IS Escape from Butcher bay any good?
I don't like movie games
The problem isn't consoles themselves but more console "gens." Consoles are built to last 4 years or so while graphics cards improve every two years. Xbox 360 and PS3 were both good hardware for the price when they were released, the problem is 7th gen lasted 7 fucking years. Just think about that, imagine any other tech that just stayed stagnant for 7 years. New TVs and smartphones are released every year but consoles stay the same. Although that might change. PS4 and Xbone weren't very good hardware on release unlike 7th gen and now need a mid-gen refresh just to keep up.
>>337790825
I would run at higher res but my monitor is 1680x1050
>>337790998
That's a very good point. The PS3 and 360 in particular were absolute powerhouses when they came out. The PS4 and XBONE are midrange laptops with a few interesting tweaks, like the PS4's use of GDDR5 for system RAM.
>>337790950
It's analytics pulled direct from users. Face it, aside from the negligible draw distance improvements you can get in, oh say, The Witcher 3, there's no reason to buy a top of the line rig. PC = indieshit, early access shit, milsim shit and that's it.
>>337790950
>Implying it's not the most mainstream place and therefore a reflection of the average
>>337780950
>They want as many as possible people to enjoy their games.
MOBAs target the lowest common denominator so they can maximize microtransaction profits. If League of Legends required a good PC to run it would have died off incredibly early.
>>337790924
ayo hol up
>>337790586
dolphin 1 > shark > dolphin 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dolphin 2
FUCK GRAPHICAL FIDELITY
Can we get a good artstyle thread?
>>337789161
>being mean to machine doing their works properly
they arent going to give it to him. he is "an unauthorized personnel" throughough the game.
>>337790950
>>implying steam is the one and only place where they get their games
It almost is at this point. Most games release exclusively on Steam, even if you get the retail release you'll have to activate a code on Steam to fully download the game and play it. A lot of people are also refusing to buy anything that is not on steam. Haven't you seen how everyone reacted to BF3 being on Origin only? Same shit happens with other more popular games that aren't on Steam, which is pretty rare since almost everything's on Steam.
>>337791289
>good artstyle
>at that resolution
i blew through this thread saw some people complaining about blurryness in uncharted 4 screenshots, so i'm gonna post one of my favourites.
>>337791289
is that game worth 10euros
>>337780807
That's cute. Here's what the Riddick game actually looked like in 2004.
>>337791227
we need a kpop/korean culture board
>>337791402
I'm not even a fan but all of these screenshots are really making me want to play. Apparently the game has a good amount of TECHNOLOGY that /v/ refuses to talk about also.
>>337791469
word
>>337791227
>>337790770
>>337790898
>>337790623
Who are these delicious gender benders?
>>337791550
I'm telling you, if it wasn't a Sony exclusive from ND people would be all over it.
>>337791402
>is that game worth 10 euros
That's like 15 murrikan dubloons, right?
If so, thenyes
>>337791550
Not him, but yeah, it's pretty good. Bought it yesterday since I could get it for 23 euros, played for 8 hours and only done with half of the game, I think. /v/ will shit on it since it's a Sony exclusive.
>>337791614
>trans
No that's Thailand style, Koreans are into silicon
>>337791657
>/v/
>implying it's no PC only retards
Seriously, the "/v/ hates everything meme" has spawned from a vocal minority of PC only anti-gamers that can't play most games.
>>337791550
it's not that great.
i mean the gameplay is good, but there is very little shooting compared to all the climbing and the cutscenes.
also fewer stunning setpieces than 2 and 3.
took me 12h45m on hard.
multiplayer is one option for getting more shooting out of the game i guess.
>>337791642
thanks, will probably order it soon-ish
>>337780807
Yes, just look at Uncharted 4
>>337790982
It's really good.
>>337782156
Sony copy pasting valve maps?
>>337791851
Is the story interesting?
>>337791783
based
>>337791762
>less shooting
That sounds great
>>337791885
Well, it's just a story about escaping, but the setting and character writing is excellent.
You tell me, OP.
I don't understand why consolefags make fun of PCfags for only only caring about graphics, and then proceed to shill for games that largely care about graphics over gameplay like UC4. Not to mention the fact that consoles could easily have games that run at 1080p/60fps if they toned down the detail a tiny bit, but devs would rather crank up particle effects and lighting then lock at 30 with 720p/900p resolution. It was ridiculous enough that not many PS3 games were 1080p, if you would have told me 3 years ago not even the PS4 would have that many 1080p games I would have thought you were joking.
>>337791729
It doesn't change the fact that people will still shit on it and other games even if it is "ironically".
>>337791997
>filename
I vaguely remember that thread
>>337791949
well the combat is a big step up from 2 and 3 with having the hook rope thingie and improved stealth.
they removed the tossing back grenades feature from 3 though, no idea why.
and i have the feeling that the hand to hand combat was better in Uncharted 3, but my memories are vague.
>>337792071
Prerendered high poly model. k.
>>337782613
What game is this?
No. PC holds things back the most, and you can thank "gaming laptops" for most that.
>>337791614
It's Choa from AOA
>>337792338
Vin Diesel simulator
>>337792165
That's because I am the same person shilling Riddick over and over with files.
>>337792275
All in game son. Stay frosty.
>>337781812
PC has more games revenue than consoles, both hardware and game profits.
>>337792275
It isn't. If I'm not mistaken it's from the wine cellar part since there are barrels.
>>337792275
Check the shadows. Ring ring pussy.
>>337792563
Mobas and blizzard
Wooooooaaaaaahhhhh
>>337790825
>PC users have the option to lower resolution for a higher frame rate
PC users have the option to lower resolution for a higher frame rate
>PC users have the option to lower resolution for a higher frame rate
PC users have the option to lower resolution for a higher frame rate
>PC users have the option to lower resolution for a higher frame rate
>>337790825
>Only 34% of console games even run at 1080p
>>337792710
So PC users can't run the game at 1080p/60fps?
>>337784208
why do you people insist on using ratchet and clank as an argument
holy shit its a cartoony platformer aimed at children. it's not bad by any means, but it's also not impressive at all.
>consolecucks got cucked again
kek
>>337790825
Hold up, how many people are using steam when that survey is taken?
>>337792840
Some cant, but the fact that they can gimp the game to make it run on their toasters is a testament to the platform.
>>337791729
/v/ is mostly PC
>>337791614
It's Ren from Nu'est
>>337789186
DELETE THISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
>>337789186
What's the deal with the UC4 shot anyway? Didn't finish loading from HDD?
>>337793040
>Didn't finish loading from HDD?
>consolefags on damage control
l
KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
>>337792892
>survey
It's 2016, faggot, these are analytics pulled from ALL steam users.
>>337793040
there's no reason for you to look at that part of the game. pkeks cherrypicking as usual
>>337792863
except it actually looks somewhere between the 2.
>>337780807
Budgets are holding the graphics back currently.
Most games are just WiiU games with big textures.
>>337788897
Gonna need some of that stuff from The top Shelf my man.
>>337792710
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that the majority of PC gamers are actually low end hardware moba and minecraft players.
>>337788590
>>337790757
Yeah it was actually Adam Kovic who worked formerly at IGN and I think at the time was at Inside Gaming (which is now Funhaus under/with Roosterteeth)
They use to always joke about it cos he just said it so casually not even as part of a proper review.
How do we stop console wars?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10227076
>>337793303
By playing vidya geam
>>337793303
post folder nigger
>>337793215
Don't underestimate minecraft in terms of CPU weight.
Specially modded minecraft.
Add thaum, high textures and some fancy shader shit and PS4 would run it at single digits.
>>337793215
Its an undeniable fact more people have shit laptops or old desktops than specialized computers with the newest parts. But the platform is great because of its customization.
>>337793303
You cant, none of these will work. Its inherent to the culture of 4chan that what we call "shitposting" is standard form of discussion for the most popular interest boards.
>>337793376
This one?
>>337793148
>Gun clipping through suit.
As far as I'm concerned "good graphics" will never exist until they stop clipping.
>>337793303
By being aware you're giving your back to be stabbed, no matter the company.
>>337793456
of course
100+ images to go anyway and thread is shit
>>337793463
it's because i was using one of the unlockable skins.
it's not clipping with the proper costume
>>337782102
Just blur my shit up senpai
>>337780807
After seeing what Civ6 looks like.. even mobile games are holding pc graphics back
>>337786791
A sub-$400 PC can play games like W3 on Ultra at 25-30FPS (before removing hairworks). What now?
>>337792482
What do we discuss about?
>>337782156
i just finished the game and this is cherry picking pretty hard.
Game has some fantastic graphical scenes
>>337793116
Its not ALL users, you can opt out and I do every time as Im sure many others do as well.
>>337787836
That's overly saturated to shit mate.
You didn't need to install a mod just to turn up the saturation on your pc.
>>337793454
>Mods ban everyone who try to start a console war
>Less people start doing it over time
>Nuke /v/
>Most shitposters scatter to other boards/websites
It's very simple and very obvious to anyone willing to compare hardware. Consoles are holding back how hard developers are willing push the hardware of a system.
Consoles are, at best, mid level PC builds packaged in the appropriate plastic case from X company. Consoles are also marketed to children in the respect that you don't maintain them or upgrade them. You could very realistically take a console and begin upgrading hardware just as you would with a PC, but this will void any warranty and possibly get you in a massive amount of legal trouble should any company find out that you've done this. They're marketed as a closed, easy to use system, and fuck you if you try to go outside that box.
Purchasing the next generation of console is the equivalent of purchasing an entirely new PC rig from nothing every time graphics and processing takes a step forward. It's retarded. With a PC, you can very realistically play current games using hardware that is 5+ years old; if you're a richfag who future proofed the fuck out of their rig, this can range up to nearly 10 years before you're horribly in need of an upgrade.
I'm still using a 660ti and an i5 processor. This is enough to play new AAA games if I stay away from Ultra settings; which is fine by me. Should I feel the need to bump up my graphics settings (which are still superior to the PS4 as they are), I can drop a couple hundred dollareedoos on 960 and still be ahead of consoles. What I'm going to do is drop <$400 on a 1070, and then I'll my PC will utterly shit on anything a console can hope to do for at least 5 years.
Consoles are an outdated means of playing video games. They still exist because they're insanely profitable for companies, who are effectively selling you dogshit PC rigs at a premium price.
>>337794071
>>337793868
>>337793757
Nice, expanding my folder
tfw consoles will never pull this off
OP image is cherry picked and therefore worthless.
>>337786675
>arma 3
>good looking
game looks like fucking dogshit and requries ridiculously hardware to play it.
>>337792338
Escape from Butcher Bay, this is an additional part of the game *after* you've already escaped from Butcher Bay.
>unironically participating in console wars
Neck yourself
>>337794125
Looks awful.
>>337793864
You already got blown the fuck out last time you posted this bullshit, just stop already
>>337794184
>Comparing two very similar looking people
>Cherry picking
>>337780807
More like graphics hold back this entire industry.
>>337794236
/v/ has been doing this since 2006
The ride never ends
>>337792482
It's not really that significant of a difference, but that's just because CDPR are good devs
>>337794236
>>337794336
>Flamewars against the rules
>Mods don't give a fuck
>Legitimate Persona 5 thread up
>They delete it while leaving the hourly sjw/e-celeb thread up
>>337794251
sure it does :^)
>>337794267
Prove it, then.
>>337793864
Now you buy one, and use the rest of the cash to get yourself a PS4 as well.
Thus you get the exclusives, you get your PC, and get a neat controller to use with both.
>>337794362
>false flagging
>>337794439
Just read the last thread again, fag
>>337794510
I am aware they are different, I'm not fucking blind, but the difference in W3 specifically is not that significant.
>>337794510
>>falseflagging
This isn't some black ops mission, you moron
>>337794546
>no proof
I win.
>>337794551
>>337794558
>hurr
>>337780950
Have you tried playing Diablo 3? Shit needs a pretty decent rig
>>337783425
>daughter + dog reveal>boner engage
>dog is female
>disappointment
>realize what I was thinking
>sadness
>>337780807
Most PC users can't even play at 1080p, why would consoles be the ones holding back graphics?
Just look at the Steam hardware statistics
>>337794589
This is the kind of person that grafix-elitism creates.
>>337784208
>>337784269
>still getting baited
Typical consolekids
Not exactly. Console games may look as good or better than pc games, but the big issue is that because of their graphical limitations developers make more linear levels so they can look good while sacrificing level design.
>>337789583
Kek. I'm on a 290x and I've got everything on high. Arma 3 is insanely reliant on CPU compared to GPU, so you shouldn't now have a problem with your 970. The only thing fucking up frames is that your FPS relies on the server doing all the physics calculations, AI control, etc. Most FPS issues in Arma 3 is because of the mission maker or the amount of players in the game.
>>337794304
>indieshit detected
The only thing holding back the entire industry is failed screenwriters who have infested the gaming industry to make movies that they call video games.
They make garbage that's focused on narrative and cinematic experiences with some arbitrary, cover based shooting thrown between movie scenes.
That's what's killing the industry.
>>337794275
Yeah actually. They're not the same game, by the same developers. The characters were not made by the same person in the same style.
OP image deliberately tried to create a disparity between the two images to make you see a major difference.
Yes, it's Cherry Picking. By definition.
>>337794771
>Still participating in console wars
Typical shitposter
>>337794709
This thread is about what prevents the gaming industry from progressing. Graphically, that's consoles.
>>337794860
Read
>>337794646
It's simply not profitable to make a ultra hardware demanding game on PC because the target audience is too small to yield a profit.
>>337793456
I now have a folder for this, too.
Arigato, Anon-kun.Keep posting
>>337792835
>only 0% of console games maintain a SHILKY SHMOOVE 30fps framerate
>>337793898
Console peasants will never stop being pathetic. Tsk tsk.
>>337790950
>>implying steam is the one and only place where they get their games
It is. Normies only play games through Steam. When something isn't on Steam, you get dumb shit like this;
https://twitter.com/suikodenrevival/status/727590088385941504
It's less about consoles holding PC back and more about developers not making games that are made to push hardware on PC. For most games, you don't need massive amounts of processing power to make your game vision a reality, or to make it fun. It would be interesting to see some developers target current high end PC hardware and see what they could make out of it, though.
>>337795079
Consoles can easily reach 60 fps, but the developers don't want it because doin't look nice on screenshots.
Actually if they could, as in if they had the budget, they would make games run just as bad on PC just to put 300+ post processing filters.
>>337794961
All multiplats are graphically better than consoles, so you're not making a point.
Furthermore, there aren't reliable (comprehensive) surveys, and for all we know, Steam results could be BR/other populated (where the majority of the relevant gaming industry happens at NA).
In any case, even integrated graphics probably play games on par or better than consoles, and again, we don't even have framerate survey results, so it could be a lower res but a much more stable / better framerate.
As stated, a sub-$400 PC wipes the floor with consoles. It would be at minimum a matter of time before those who would be interested in PC gaming realize that (especially as better parts are coming, reducing the cost of what's already cheap).
>>337784183
that foliage is seriously impressive. the only thing ND failed to get right in this game was the hair on people's head. you could see the separate strands in the right light and it looked very unnatural because the light shined around the hair rather than just passing through it. the edges were too prominent so it looked like a wig made of hay
>>337790068
>27fps
>>337782613
that looks like the 360 version
i mean xbox riddick was fucking godlike in so many ways but there's no way it looked that good
>>337795396
Why is he sad?
Did someone bully him online?
>>337795321
You can get all new games on PS4 for half the price. So if a game costs $60, you can get it for $30, but not a lot of people do that. And it's digital only of course.
>>337794846
It's just one example, do you need 100 comparisons before it's not cherry picked, or does the claim just continue ad infinitum?
>>337795452
>here's my proof
>
>>337794860
>This thread is about what prevents the gaming industry from progressing.
Graphics themselves are what prevent this industry from progressing. Graphic designers, artists, etc, make up the bulk of most studios now, while all the other aspects of a game (writing, QA, etc) get pushed to the side
>>337795321
>It's not a reliable survey if I don't like the results!
>>337795480
Because it's true. You can do the same shit with PS3 games. Just have a friend and buy a game on one account. Then play on your main account. A game can be downloaded to 2 consoles.
>>337795480
>>337795543
What I meant to say was you both pay half the price for a full game and then download it. Just google it if you want to. I've been doing this for years now. You could download 1 game to 5 consoles on PS3 a few years back, but they changed it to 2 now.
>>337782418
>>337782156
this looks really mediocre at best
>b-buh consoles are holding back muh peeceeeeeee
How long until you pathetic fucks kill yourselves this is the most strong exclusive you have in 2016!
>>337795731
What's the name of the game?
>>337795796
Civ 6
>>337795839
Oh, I thought it was some ranch sim or something.
>>337794839
you're describing, at most, like 3 or 4 specific games. practically a specific genre of games like uncharted, last of us, Order 1886 and quantum break.
what's another thing those games all had in common? oh yeah, total focus on graphics with shit writing, gameplay, etc
the only people who don't want to accept (or actively reject) the notion that graphics are killing this industry are PC elitists, since graphics are the only thing they ever brag about in comparison to consoles, so if games stopped being completely focused on grafix, they couldn't shitpost anymore about how superior their experience is on pc
>>337795483
Except a game is about gameplay. Graphics don't get to pick being primaried, so it's wholly development that causes games to be what they are.
>>337795520
>as if there's any suggestion how reliable it is
>>337795543
>>337795652
You don't get to keep the game like that. You're basically paying $30 to rent a game, and it probably won't work for both of you simultaneously / for MP.
>>337795796
That's Civ VI
Personally the series died with V, but 2K insists on just making things worse.
It looks like a fucking mobile game and if I had to guess it'll probably play like one, too.
I have a sliver of hope that it'll be good.
>>337795731
>most strong exclusive
I enjoy the bait but I'm contractually obliged to inform you thatStellaris is a million times more fun than civ5 and in extension civ6
>>337795906
Graphics potential affects gameplay. Server size (albeit consoles don't even have dedicated mostly), map size, etc.
>>337795942
>You're basically paying $30 to rent a game
Same shit with steam. You buy it digitally and you own it for as long as you get banned.
>and it probably won't work for both of you simultaneously / for MP.
It works. You can both play at the same time and multiplayer, unless the game has online pass which I haven't seen in a long time.
>>337792071
Good god those shadows look like shit
>>337796038
>Same shit with steam. You buy it digitally and you own it for as long as you get banned.
Console plebs everyone
>>337795942
>Except a game is about gameplay. Graphics don't get to pick being primaried, so it's wholly development that causes games to be what they are.
I don't even understand what you are trying to say here. Especially not in relation to what I said. I think you're saying "the game doesn't pick its priorities, the devs do" which... yeah?? No shit??
>>337796024
>Graphics potential affects gameplay.
maybe for incompetent developers
>>337796024
>Graphics potential affects
shut the fuck up comrade
>>337796292
What are you implying, shitposter?
>>337796301
So that doesn't exemplify what would actually make games/gameplay better. Blame games are pretty uninteresting.
>>337796324
Problem?
I got a PC a few years back and the only PC games I've enjoyed are RTS and Mount and Blade, which can run easily on toasters
where the fuck are the good games you faggots
>>337796554
This is bait.
Contribute to the 'anime with question marks' dump or shut the fuck up.
>>337796472
what would make games better is if graphics were a middle-to-low priority over
>releasing finished game (no Day1 DLC)
>hiring QA to keep it bug free (do companies even bother anymore?)
>**BETTER WRITERS**
in an ideal perfect world, i'd even say it should be mandatory when making a sequel to have an appointed fandom representative involved in development. Someone who understands why people love [X] and how they want the game to be. Because quite obviously, most modern corporations and companies are completely disconnected with the consumers of their products and clearly their focus testers are fucking shit
Are you still saving these pictures?
>>337796841Of course.
>>337796530
He wrote "Graphics potential affects" when he should have wrote "Graphics potentially affect."
His inability to write proper sentences limits his ability to create persuasive arguments.
So I told him to shut the fuck up.
>>337795942
>dark messiah
mah nigga.
fuck those spiders, they are though as shit even with fire weapons.
I wish the weapons were more varied tho, most of the time things are literal upgrades
>>337795414
it is the xbox / pc version from 2004. go play it now faggot
>>337796832
>story would make games better in the shallow clickfest that is most of gaming
>>337796841
yeah, I pick up the best looking one to my liking
>>337796969
A game's graphics potential (what's finished / what the consoles, e.g., can max) affects.. It's simple.
>>337797262
if you are a defeatist then you could just say "what's the point in trying to fix anything? the entire world is still shit"
>>337797361
>story
Go read a book, then. Games are interactive.
>>337795906
You moronic fuck. How can graphics be holding back the industry when every fucking game allows players to adjust graphical power, and when console versions are capped while PC versions allow players to get the most out the graphics?
What is being held back due to graphics potential?
>>337797170
meant for >>337796554 I'd assume.
>>337780807
Since the last ten or so years? Yes, very much so.
>>337795321
A sub-$400 PC today won't be running ports three years from now. It's unfortunate but it's the way of things.
>>337792467
still looks pretty good for a 2004 game
Even Far Cry and HL2 had nothing on this game graphically anyway.
was ahead of its time for sure i still remember DX9.0c and soft shadows on my 79gt
good times
>>337797490
No, he showed what games he owns because you said he was baiting.
>>337797490
He said I was bait so I provided him with my steam library
>>337780807
Graphics are not everything. Gameplay is. Do research and you will find out that the majority of the most praised games ever have been for consoles.
Consoles do not hold graphics back, piracy does. If PC games sold more then developers and publishers would make games pushing the hardware capabilities. Also, the majority of PC game players would not be able to run a game of that magnitude.
>>337797508
If the PS4 would exist, it would.
>>337794819
on 290x as well
run everthing on high at 2560x1600
framerate is fine
>>337784831
the right image is a placeholder and the left image is a completed product
obviously the details of the example on the right will improve on release
>>337780807
yeah consoles are holding graphics back
>>337797469
the money and development time spent on those graphics in the first place.
i'm actually fucking glad KOFXIV doesn't look next-gen for example because that means more effort made on everything else.
>>337797508
Three years from now, you'll have purchased 2 additional consoles, from 3 different companies, at around $500 each.
Consoles are fucking the industry. Consoles are fucking the players. Companies hire devs to create console exclusives specifically to sell their pseudo-PC consoles to morons, because without the strong arming of limiting how you can play a game, the hardware of the consoles doesn't hold up. Pull your head out of your ass.
>>337797559
>>337797560
Oh okay.
Also I'm the same guy.
>DoW
>M&B
>Civ IV
Good taste.
RTS and TBS are somewhat niche though.
You got any other genres you like?
>>337797741
how can you fucking say this shit with a straight face when the newest graphics card just announced costs $700 fucking dollars just by itself?
Why do you insipid fucks care so much about graphics? As long as the game runs at a good framerate I don't care how it looks. Games are supposed to be about gameplay
>>337797774
nichibros is so good
>>337797601
>piracy does
NOPE Story time
>Crysis 1 sells awesome
>Crytek become VERY rich and go all out buying up devs everywhere and make Crysis 2
>Go FULL retard and change literally EVERYTHING that made the first game good because 'we where sick of sandbox semi linear enviroments waaa waaa' and made it a corridoor shooter with a console port first and then PC with the most hilarous fucked up DX11 support i have ever seen
>Obviously everyone hates it and it sells like shit
>Crytek lose their cool and blame the 'pirates' but the truth is the game was just shit and nobody played it
>Eventually finish Crysis 3 in 2013 and its more of the same console port trash with slightly more crytek farcry1/crysis open levels
>PC Community still shuns them
>They go bankrupt and get bought by the chinese and sell game engines only
>???
Epic had the opposite problem once they stopped sucking the Xbox 360 gravy train they became irrelevant and cliffy B is a huge faggot
UE4 is a nice piece of tech though
Cryengine 3 looks nice but its a bitch to work with no documentation
>>337795942
>g2a
Scum. Worse than pirates
>>337797843
Those newest graphics cards are overkill for gaming.
One level down and it's less than $400 for a supremely overpowered card. That will last years.
Is it possible to drop $3k on a PC? Yes. Is it necessary at all for playing games? Fucking no. Do some research on how these pieces of hardware work and the practical applications of those most expensive parts before you open up your face butt and spew your retarded shit about PC hardware prices for gaming.
>>337798016
Which grey area keysite do you recommend famalam
I want cheap games
>>337797843
The PS4 doesn't get better graphics cards. A 960 now (that sub-$400 PC?) will still dump on consoles like a bag of rocks.
If anything it's the other way around, in a way- I mean, just compare the graphics of your average console game (multiplat or not) to your average PC exclusive. The PC exclusives pretty much always look worse because they're designed to scale down to shitty Intel GPUs, which are way below the level of console hardware, because you can't make a profit on a game that only runs on $300+ GPUs.
You either get held back by consoles or you get held back by $500 laptops.
>>337798040
if they are overkill then why do they get made? how are modern graphics not considered overkill already?
>>337798016
Except not.
>muh jacked keys
What proof.
>>337781175
>Stupid assumptions: The post.
>>337798068
Don't buy grey market keys. Make sure your reseller is legit. Set up a wishlist on Isthereanydeal
Inquisitive kot
>>337797337
Comrade you can't start out your sentence with such a confusing statement. Graphics potential is not a phrase that is commonly used, in fact you are the first person I have ever seen use it.
Try using something like "graphical fidelity" instead. Most people understand what this means and it would have made your original post significantly more comprehensible.
>>337798227
A game can scale well. E.g., GTA V. There are even mods to play it on super-lowend integrateds.
>>337798248
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2015-01-28-deactivated-ubisoft-game-keys-bought-from-eas-origin-using-stolen-credit-cards
>>337798030
AHAHAHAHAAH no
>mfw consolefags will never have graphics as good as cryengine 3 games
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppc7HHliOA8
>>337798353
>negger gets BTFO
Nice. Come again. I sell flying carpets.
>>337798040
try playing modded skyrim without a $700 card
>>337798298
Because if those keys are bought on a stolen credit card and the person whose credit card was stolen does a chargeback, the devs actually lose money paying the chargeback.
>>337798076
>will still dump on consoles like a bag of rocks.
In what way, exactly?
>oooo more frames oooo
>look at the lighting it's so good ooooo so glad i dropped $1200 on this so i can look at 4chan in glorious 4k!
Appeasing you graphics-obsessed sperglords is what is holding this entire industry back.
>>337797984
Your story time is irrelevant. That is an example of just the dev fucking up. Why you think so many developers outsource PC ports? Even the witcher 3 developers said it would not be possible without Consoles. The bottom line is PC games do not sell enough to warrant a graphics intense heavy hitting exclusive. Stop trying to justify your piracy. You are fucking yourself and the rest of us PC people
>>337798367
>single scam
>that must imply they're all so
>>337798238
I thought you were retarded, but now I'm sure of it.
PCs do more than play video games. They massively more versatile, and playing games is ONE thing they can do.
The biggest, baddest, most expensive PC hardware is marketed to things like 3D design and rendering or 4k resolution video editing and rendering. Things which are immensely more demanding than playing a video game.
>>337797843
The newest GPUs are for VR and 4k gaming. The PS4 is equivalent to a 750Ti, PS4k will be about a R9 380X/GTX 960 with Polaris architechture.
>>337798443
I don't care. I'm not gonna pay 60 euros for a new game. That's why I always buy when the game is on sale or from cd key sites. Same shit with PS3/PS4 and game sharing between 2 accounts.
>>337797826
I'm an extremely mixed bag of taste, but any other genres I'm interested in I'd probably just get on myxbonefor convenience
>>337798438
I played modded Skyrim on a 460. A $100 750ti is the equivalent of a 480.
>>337798498
>In what way, exactly?
Graphics and performance.
>$1200
>strawman, right after a discussion about it being $400
>>337792971
My primary platform is PC yet I still fucking love my PS4
Either way. Thread is almost over so this'll probably be the last pic. I still have more, but eh.
>>337798238
Better resolutions, 144fps gameplay, multimonitor gaming
>>337798541
http://blog.indiegamestand.com/featured-articles/steam-key-reselling-killing-little-guys/
G2A shill please go.
>>337794202
What? No.
Spoilers:You're about to escape but get caught right before youre able to do so. You get captured and get put into cryosleep n shit but then manages to escape some higher security advanced sleeping shit. This place got flying robots and higher technology than the prison, hence the mechas n shit.
The original game ends when you escape.
>>337798590
Avatar fagging is against the rules.
>>337798563
and what does any of that have to do with games being more fun or having better gameplay? will those cards magically transform shallow, mediocre graphics-centric shit into actual fun games?
>>337798686
>I still have more
Continue
>>337798686
Thanks, m8.
Have some lewd cats.
>>337798715
>not the same animes
I'm more guilty of it than he is.
>>337798715
I did it for the anon that asked for more pics. But don't worry, anon, it's over now.
>>337798697
That shit happens for Steam items as well, but they're not even a majority fraudulent(ly obtained).
>>337798590
I'm not chastising you for buying games on sale, that's ow I buy most of my games. I'm just saying buy it from somewhere legit.
>>337798648
It's not a strawman, nobody is going to get PS4 quality of a $400 pc faggot
definitely not in canada where that is the average price of one computer part alone
>oh lol well that's your fault for not living in our amazing country
>>337798734
Why even release new console gens at all then? Ask Sony why they're doing a mid-gen refresh.
>>337798530
Get fucked moralfag games cost like $110aud here which is like $80usd so you can take your
>Dont pirate thats b-b-bad
and shove it up your fucking asshole
>>337798563
Nobody meantions the PS4 CPU is literally worse than the first Quad cores in pc over 10 years ago
They just focus on DUHHH UMMM GRAPHICS HAHAHAA POLARIS WILL SOLVE EVERYTHING
>>337798775
There's plenty of anecdotal evidence from indie devs about people pretending to be YouTubers so they can get keys to sell on these sites.
>>337798828
because the ps4 is a underpowered peice of dogshit
The xboner even has a better cpu albiet only 500mhz more
>>337798818
>implications
M8, it's a simple as googling 860k 960. It plays W3 on Ultra at PS4 framerates or better. It plays GTA V on Ultra.
Please stop false flagging.
>>337798834
>110 aud
>aud min wage is 2.4x that of the us
>cost of living isn't 2.4x more
>electronics are actually cheaper
>>337798828
>Why even release new console gens at all then?
same reason you retards keep buying the newest computer parts for trivial and minute improvements over the last one
you are exactly the same as people who buy a new $400 phone every year
>>337798765
I'm having ab oner right now
>>337799035
Did you remember to factor in having to live in Australia?
>>337798834
By seeing your rage filled response to my post >>337798530 you made it clear that you had no proper counter argument. My point still stands
>>337799139
They seem to get their muffy funs.
>>337799191
They're in driving distance of literal sub humans they call abos. Take one look at an abo and try to convince yourself that they reached the same evolutionary peak as the rest of mankind.
>>337799141
pose more these lewd HQ neko girl having cute lesbian relationships
>>337799440
Have a smug.
>>337799507
How clumsy do you even have to be to spill yogurt all over yourself?
>>337799576
>yogurt
>>337798530
>>337797601
Who the fuck cares about exclusives? What a shitty console warrior mentality, exlusives are how you sell shitty hardware. Most PC games even in the 90's weren't exclusive, Doom and Duke Nukem were ported to everything under the sun, and they even tried porting SimCity and Starcraft to N64. I don't care about a "hard-hitting exclusive" at all, I just want games to look and perform well. The best way is to make games on good hardware then port down. Arcades had much better hardware than consoles back in the day, so games were designed for arcades and ported to console. Games designed for PC and ported to console are fine too. The problem is when games are designed for the LCD hardware and scaled up, which doesn't always work well.
>>337793864
Yes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkJYhwZa500
>>337799687
This thread is about consoles holding back graphics. We all know that PC is far more capable to deliver better graphics in games. And, we know no multiplatform game will push graphics because they are developed together. So, it is up to publishers and developers to make exclusive PC games without having to gimp development time and costs when making multiplatform games. it is a money making industry, and if the revenue is not there then the company will not take the risk making that graphics intensive PC game. Not shitty console warrior mentality. Just logic. Try using logic
>>337795652
>>337795543
>>337795452
i can do the same with 10 pc and for quarter of the price.
>>337799687
Development costs and the industry changed since the 90s. One wrong move and companies go under. Dipshit
>>337780807
Consoles hold back everything, the lack of CPU proccessing give us very bad AI system because the consoles aren't capable to render.
Without pc we've never have it GPU particles for example because consoles aren't soo powerfull to render and need to proccess physics in GPU too.
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